[00:05] <Oxymoron> yofel: Now that error is gone, but "[mpeg4 @ 0x8c03980]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected" still there
[00:06] <yofel> that seems like a decoder error, don't know about that
[00:24] <avis> can anyone explain to me the mechanics of having apache as a dependency of personal file sharing ?  is the apache for LAN wide exclusive sharing, or can over the net be done as well ?
[00:29] <mazda01> i've upgraded so many times that my menus have these extra and duplicate apps in them. is  there a virtual package that I uninstall and remove from a tty1, then purge them, then reinstall them so that I have a lucid desktop with all default apps plus only apps i installed? example: within system, prefs, I have 2 Appearances, 2 removable drives and media, 2 preferred applications. how can I clean this up? do I just have to go through the
[00:29] <mazda01> main menu editor and remove them>
[00:38] <BUGa_vacations> FYI lp:~nafai/gwibber/gnomekeyring-fix
[00:38] <BUGa_vacations> really fixes gwibber bug with gnome keyring
[00:39] <BUGa_vacations> no more ubber cpu usage
[00:47] <BUGa_vacations> night guys
[00:48] <avis> night BUGa_vacations
[00:48] <NCommander> Has anyone attempted to do NFS root with lucid on x86?
[00:48] <BUGa_vacations> hi NCommander
[00:48] <BUGa_vacations> bye NCommander
[00:48] <NCommander> night BUGa_vacations
[01:05] <magaio> I just installed ATI Catalyst 10.3 successfully, but it seems that libGL.so.1 is missing, I can't run aticonfig or fglrxinfo. Is there a package I'm missing?
[01:10] <yofel> magaio: that file should be provided by the fglrx package using the alternatives system
[01:12] <magaio> yofel: I think I might have messed this up by having installed xorg-edgers, I think I forgot to revert that
[01:15] <yofel> magaio: hm, it's a bit different it seems, the file should be in /usr/lib/fglrx/ now, and /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf should tell ldconfig to look there
[01:17] <magaio> yofel: I just installed the ATI fglrx from their website, GL.conf only has /usr/lib/mesa and /usr/lib32/mesa. lib32 has it, but this is a 64 bit build...
[01:17] <yofel> urgh, I have no idea how much the ati driver from the website might mess with the OS
[01:18] <yofel> we certainly don't support them
[01:18] <magaio> it's strange, I had installed 10.2 just fine, no problems, I think it's xorg edgers that messed things up
[01:19] <yofel> it certainly could, as the system should prefer the mesa libGL over the at one
[01:19] <yofel> s/at/ati/
[01:22] <voss749> Why didnt freeciv 2.2 get added to 10.04?
[01:23] <yofel> it might have missed feature freeze
[01:23] <voss749> When was feature freeze?
[01:23] <yofel> !schedule
[01:23] <magaio> Yep, running ppa-purge on edgers now
[01:24] <yofel> voss749: february 18th
[01:24] <voss749> Omg, freeciv 2.2 stable release missed feature freeze by 3 days.
[01:26] <yofel> voss749: you could file a sync request from debian testing and try to get a feature freese exception if you think it should be added to lucid, the MOTU folks in #ubuntu-motu should be able to tell you more about that
[01:27] <yofel> maybe you'll make it before final freeze
[01:34] <voss749> Nah ive checked the schedule at this point it would be easier to get it into backports
[01:39] <mawst> gamestop crystal
[01:45] <bsmith093> is anyone else having nearly continuous screen refreshes
[01:45] <bsmith093> where the screen goes dark for a second like its maybe a power issue or something?
[01:45] <bsmith093> its really annoying
[01:47] <markl_> for awhile in the alphas it would refresh once when i tried to log in
[01:47] <markl_> but they fixed it at some point
[01:48] <bsmith093> how can i find out if they fixed it for my model of monitor
[01:48] <bsmith093> also ive been running since alpha 3
[01:48] <bsmith093> should i reinstall from the beta
[01:48] <bsmith093> itsrefreshing about once every 15 secs
[01:50] <yofel> did you check in dmesg if the driver gives some sort of reason for the refresh?
[01:50] <bsmith093> how do i do that
[01:50] <markl_> reinstalling can't hurt i guess
[01:50] <bsmith093> is beta 2 out yet
[01:50] <markl_> but it would be frustrating to reinstall and have it still be broken :)
[01:51] <markl_> no just beta 1 i think
[01:51] <yofel> open a terminal and type 'dmesg'
[01:51] <bsmith093> yes it would
[01:51] <yofel> it will print the kernel log
[01:51] <bsmith093> no change
[01:52] <yofel> well, it just gives the log, but does the log say something at the times when the screen refreshes?
[01:52] <bsmith093> no
[01:53] <yofel> hm, then check /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
[01:53] <bsmith093> is there a fast way to check thema ll at once
[01:54] <yofel> hm, there should be a log viewer in the system menu I think
[02:03] <bsmith093> yofel something changed ill pastebin
[02:04] <bsmith093> http://pastebin.com/fRruFUsx
[02:06] <yofel> if that's what was added, the intel graphics driver seems to rescan for possible display modes, no idea why it would do that though
[02:07] <yofel> well, I have to go, good night
[02:07] <bsmith093> any ideas
[02:31] <Tohuw> Can someone who is NOT using fglrx provide me with the ls of the following directories on their 10.4 Beta install? /etc/ati /usr/lib32/fglrx /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:33] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, no - because non of those paths exists without fglrx installed!  I'm running nvidia - an non where present
[02:33] <Tohuw> Perfect, thanks
[02:33] <lamalex> Tohuw: same is true on intel
[02:33] <Tohuw> Sexcellent
[02:34] <Tohuw> I'm trying to fix a fun issue with fglrx on some Radeon cards, so I want to purge as many flgrx-related files as possible, and those directories persisted after an aptitude purge.
[02:35] <Tohuw> For those bored enough: Hi, I'm having an issue with my ATI Radeon HD 3650 (AGP). The card is detected properly, and I have installed ATI's proprietary driver (fglrx 8.721). However, the following error is logged in Xorg.log: "(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@2:0:1) found" This renders fglrx inoperable and reverts me to a low-graphics mode. I'm wondering if it has to do with my monitor, a Dell E207WFPc,
[02:35] <Tohuw> because it does not seem to detect the right resolutions or refresh rates. It is also worth noting that fglrxinfo crashes with a segfault.
[02:35] <Tohuw> http://pastebin.org/140795 is the xorg log
[02:36] <Tohuw> killing X, brb
[02:46] <Berzerker> can anyone suggest good backup software?
[02:48] <danyR> Berzerker, Déjà Dup, Backintime
[02:48] <danyR> Grsync
[02:48] <Berzerker> which one works easiest/most similarly to time machine?
[02:49] <Commune> Anyone know why AIM accts won't connect anymore?
[02:49] <Commune> In lucid
[02:49] <danyR> Déjà Dup has nice Nautilus integration
[02:50] <danyR> but probably Back in Time is the most similar
[02:50] <ZykoticK9> Commune, http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-07-025-35-OS-NT&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+linuxtoday%252Flinux+%2528Linux+Today%2529
[02:51] <danyR> Berzerker, http://code.google.com/p/flyback/
[02:55] <Berzerker> DanaG: says it can't install python-gnome2-extras
[03:05] <Berzerker> if I replace my motherboard, will I have to reinstall ubuntu?
[03:08] <azop> Berzerker: you shouldn't
[03:08] <Stik> Nub
[03:08] <Stik> :D
[03:09] <Berzerker> you're a nub lol
[03:09] <Berzerker> azop: thanks
[03:09] <Stik> lol
[03:10] <brummbaer> after updating lucid, the boot-splash screen-res dropped. i tried increasing w/ startup-manager, and now it's a solid color and pretty hideous text. anyone know how to fix this? i'm not familiar w/ grub2 yet.
[03:12] <ZykoticK9> brummbaer, if you are using proprietary nvidia - plymouth resolution is set to 640x480 - and without jumping through a lot of hoops i believe it's pretty set
[03:12] <brummbaer> ZykoticK9, proprietary ATI over here, you think it's the same thing?
[03:13] <ZykoticK9> brummbaer, no idea - best of luck man.
[03:14] <shane2peru> ok, it seems as though when I boot it wants to check the disk, and it hangs in the process, and I don't think it is checking, it won't let me switch to another terminal either, anyone else having this problem?
[03:15] <brummbaer> ZykoticK9, thx anyways. guess now's a good time to start learning grub2 :)
[03:15] <shane2peru> brummbaer, what is the prob?  not booting?
[03:16] <ZykoticK9> brummbaer, what i can say is VGA= lines are not compatible with Lucid kernel - other then that i know nothing about frame buffer (don't see the point myself)
[03:16] <brummbaer> shane2peru, nah, just being picky about the boot splash. it was low-res after an update, and i tried using startup-mgr to fix... now no bg img at all
[03:17] <shane2peru> brummbaer, ahh, ok, well enjoy, grub 1 was easier in some ways, however updating grub 2 is less involved
[03:17] <brummbaer> seems that way indeed.
[03:17] <DanaG> weird thing keeps happening to me with thunderbird: it asks me two times, at the same time, for my master password... and ALWAYS rejects it (and asks again) the first time I enter it.
[03:17] <shane2peru> DanaG, from radeon?
[03:18] <DanaG> wha?
[03:18] <psusi> whenever I try to use the usb startup disk creator to create a liveusb, the settings to enable reserving space to store your changes are always greyed out... anyone else have this problem or not?
[03:18] <DanaG> to anyone who would've needed VGA=, try uvesafb.
[03:18] <shane2peru> DanaG, I think you helped me out on #radeon, or you have the same name. :)
[03:18] <DanaG> yeah, I hang around there.
[03:18] <DanaG> uvesafb should be a googleable term.
[03:19] <brummbaer> thx for the tip
[03:19] <DanaG> uvesafb also can mode-switch on the fly... though it's still limited to VESA modes.
[03:19] <brummbaer> i read something about vbeinfo for finding supported modes?
[03:21] <shane2peru> DanaG, ok, quick question, for the settings you told me to pugin on the grub line: add radeon.mode=1 etc  is that just for the first time I boot?  or do I need to plug that in permenantly into grub.cfg? the one that they say not to edit by hand\
[03:22] <DanaG> The place to make it persistent is /etc/default/grub
[03:22] <DanaG> an example (with uvesafb, in my case):
[03:22] <DanaG> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="video=uvesafb:mode_option=1280x960-24@60,scroll=ywrap,blank=1 splash"
[03:22] <shane2peru> DanaG, ahh, ok, I"m not real proficient with this grub2 stuff yet, I had grub1 down pretty good.
[03:23] <shane2peru> DanaG, thanks, one more thing, what is the difference between the drm kernel and the normal kernel?  drm has radeon stuff in it?
[03:23] <shane2peru> DanaG, sorry to hound you with all these questions, just trying to understand this better.
[03:23] <DanaG> drm-next kernel has brand-spanking-new radeon (and intel, and such) drivers.
[03:24] <DanaG> There are 3 basic parts to the driver, I believe:
[03:24] <DanaG> The kernel part ("drm", "radeon" module); the display driver (package xserver-xorg-video-radeon), and Mesa (the 3D driver).
[03:25] <DanaG> drm-next has bleeding-edge of the first; xorg-edgers has bleeding-edge of the other two.
[03:26] <shane2peru> DanaG, ok, so the drm kernel is working together with the edgers ppa, got it, what ever took place made my laptop actually usable, before opening two tabs in FF would overheat it!
[03:29] <shane2peru> DanaG, thanks a bundle for the info, wish I could help you with the Thunderbird issue, but don't know anything about it.
[03:31] <shane2peru> brb
[03:31] <Commune> so what flash plugin works with lucid?  i didn't see anything about it not working in the release notes.
[03:31] <maco> adobe's works for me
[03:31] <Commune> what version?
[03:32] <maco> 10.0.45.2ubuntu1
[03:35] <Commune> okay, do you know the name of the package?
[03:35] <Commune> searching for it in repositories
[03:35] <ZykoticK9> Commune, you can try Icedtea plugin which used the OpenJava - or add the Partner repo and add Adobe's plugin
[03:36] <Commune> Okay, I'll try both of those, thanks!
[03:36] <nigelb> Commune, the one maco told you is 'flashplugin-nonfree'
[03:36] <maco> flashplugin-installer is the one
[03:37] <maco> ZykoticK9: er... youre mixed up
[03:37] <maco> icedtea is a java plugin, not a flash plugin
[03:37] <maco> java != flash
[03:37] <ZykoticK9> maco, oh sorry java vs flash -- sorry!
[03:37] <ZykoticK9> Commune, sorry i was in the wrong brain
[03:38] <nigelb> isn't flashplugin-nonfree = flashplugin-installer?
[03:38] <Commune> zykotick9, all good.  i'm installing the flashplugin-installer package, see if that works...
[03:38] <nigelb> ah, transitional package :)
[03:38] <Commune> is there any distinction there?
[03:41] <Commune> nice, works.
[03:41] <Tohuw> I haven't STFW very hard for this yet, but are there plugins or such for Empathy that give features like masking excessive join/part messages and remaining in a chat room after the window is closed?
[03:42] <Tohuw> I like a lot of things about Empathy, but I miss my Pidgin plugins :(
[04:00] <almoxarife> how do I completely uninstall kubuntu and reinstall gnome?
[04:01] <almoxarife> !uninstall kubuntu
[04:01] <ZykoticK9> !puregnome | almoxarife
[04:14] <ubuntufreak> after upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 the 'fglrx' package is broken and i am not able to install it, any help would be welcomed.
[04:18] <alex_mayorga> Can anyone de-duplicate this http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/5588
[04:19] <alex_mayorga> "Idea #5588: Make my desktop/laptop works as a bluetooth headset"
[04:19] <alex_mayorga> just came along the use case minutes ago, this should be great to have on Lucid ;)
[04:21] <Tohuw> My desktop has a Blank CD-Rom Disc on it all the time, but no disc is in any drive. Unmount does nothing, and it persists through restarts. Any ideas? Ubuntu 10.04 Beta amd64, updated as of today including backports and proposed
[04:23] <bsmith093> is there a way to convert a partition with windows installed into a virtual machine
[04:24] <Tohuw> bsmith093: what program are you using for virtualization?
[04:24] <bsmith093> i was thinking virtualbox but if you can recommend something better im open to suggestions
[04:28] <Tohuw> bsmith093: then no, you can't. And for the price (free), I find VirtualBox to be the best solution for small-scale easy to use virtualizing
[04:29] <bsmith093> really there's no way to convert it
[04:29] <Tohuw> The only virtualization solution I'm aware of that would do something similar to what you're describing is VMWare Enterprise, and it's not really ideal to do it that way either, at least when I was toying with that.
[04:30] <bsmith093> ok thanks
[04:30] <Tohuw> bsmith093: virtualizing is not the same as imaging an OS from one machine to another; there's a lot more involved. Someone out there may have a solution for you, but I would suggest just installing a fresh instance.
[04:41] <keanu> I seem to be having a slight problem...gdm's letting me log in, but then it just sits trying to load my desktop
[04:43] <keanu> Tried a couple restarts, using an old kernel, shutting off apparmor, even as far as simply creating a new user...nothing seems to let me get to the desktop
[04:45] <fvs> Game Quadrapassel fails to load on amd64
[04:50] <keanu> using amd64, by the way
[04:58] <keanu> actually, slight correction
[04:58] <keanu> originally, it was just a loop where it'd bring me back to the purple login screen
[04:59] <keanu> but now it's just stuck trying to load my desktop
[05:05] <Muscovy> Does anyone know how to make changes in /usr/share/applications? Any i make are resetting themselves when I log out.
[05:13] <QueenZ> when is Ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 coming out?
[05:13] <ZykoticK9> QueenZ, should be sometime tomorrow
[05:14] <QueenZ> sounds good
[05:14] <MTughan> Ooh, nice... I have to reinstall Ubuntu and Fedora on my laptop anyways. Fedora's done, but I'll hold off on Ubuntu then.
[05:15] <hellyeah> hey
[05:15] <hellyeah> i have a problem
[05:16] <Damascene> np
[05:16] <hellyeah> i cant enable all compiz settings in ubuntu lucid
[05:17] <hellyeah> wha  is the reason of that
[05:17] <Damascene> what is your graphic card?
[05:17] <MTughan> hellyeah: Probably something graphics related. What graphics card and driver do you have?
[05:17] <ZykoticK9> hellyeah, some are working and others are not?
[05:17] <hellyeah> nvidia 8400 g ms
[05:17] <hellyeah> yes ZykoticK9
[05:17] <Damascene> !nvidia
[05:18] <ZykoticK9> hellyeah, that's very strange - you might want to try and ask in #compiz if you don't get an answer here first
[05:18] <hellyeah> i played sauerbraten that works great first person shooter game
[05:19] <ZykoticK9> hellyeah, oh - but none of compiz is working?
[05:20] <hellyeah> no
[05:20] <hellyeah> for example
[05:20] <hellyeah> smoek effect works but wobby windows not work 3d  cube works but any other animation not work
[05:21] <hellyeah> that is weird
[05:22] <Damascene> indeed
[05:23] <hellyeah> wobby windows enabled soapping windows disabled but i cant see any wobby effect wo windows
[05:25] <hellyeah> i downloaded all compiz package from lucid rpo but it seems some compiz package has different version some package has 0.8.4 other 0.8.2 and other have 0.7.4 can it be the reason
[05:44] <ranjan> the gwibber in lucid is not showing my tweets :( any help??
[05:44] <ranjan> is there any authorisation needed with twitter?/
[05:49] <akkan84> gma 950, titlebar disappear after turnin visual fx on
[05:49] <akkan84> anyone else has/had the same problem?
[05:51] <akkan84> 10.04 doesnt agree with my gma950....heeelp
[05:55] <akkan84> does any1 have intel gma950?
[05:58] <Am4no_> akkan84 are u getting a black screen on boot?
[06:05] <akkan84> ok,im back
[06:06] <akkan84> gma 950...no titlebars when compiz turned on
[06:21] <adelcampo> i installed the oxygen cursors and picked the orange color. But it always shows the black version when doing right click menus or anywhere on the desktop. It only shows the orange cursor when my mouse is on most other applications. Any ideas?
[06:58] <LordKow> well this is a new problem for me i have not seen before: virtualbox host drivers and nvidia not getting along
[06:59] <LordKow> it seems as if the modules are not being loaded in the right order. if both the vbox drivers and nvidia load at boot I get an "out of memory" error from the nvidia driver in the Xorg.log. however, if I let X start using the nouveau driver and then logout (effecting restarting X), nvidia works fine
[06:59] <LordKow> i would rather fix the problem then work-around it by using a shell script to load the vbox drivers upon login... because I am willing to bet this problem will resurface once lucid is released.
[07:00] <ddecator> anyone else having nautilus crash on them? i'm trying to open /usr/bin and it crashes every time
[07:01] <LordKow> works fine for me, run it in a terminal and look for error msgs
[07:02] <Vigo> LordKow: Was that an upgrade or fresh install from media?
[07:02] <LordKow> was a fresh install
[07:02] <hiredgoon> 1/win 3
[07:02] <hiredgoon> 1/win 2
[07:02] <LordKow> does ureadahead profile modules?
[07:03] <ddecator> LordKow: just tried that. once nautilus launches, the terminal ends its process
[07:03] <Vigo> LordKow: I had a like error, fresh install seemed to fix it.
[07:03] <LordKow> Vigo: yea but thats not fixing the problem :P
[07:03] <Vigo> LordKow: I agree
[07:05] <LordKow> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9c6SYnsY
[07:06] <LordKow> it appears my hypothesis is correct, virtualbox and nvidia not getting along.
[07:06] <LordKow> i believe nvidia should be loaded first followed by virtualbox not at the same time.
[07:07] <Vigo> LordKow: Beta2?
[07:07] <LordKow> current
[07:09] <alex_mayorga> How to de-duplicate ideas over at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[07:09] <alex_mayorga> Did #ayatana moved the buttons once more?
[07:17] <LordKow> alright i have narrowed down the problem: ureadahead
[07:17] <LordKow> not that im surprised
[07:18] <LordKow> time to disable it... only saved me 1 second on my boot time.
[07:20] <LordKow> why ureadahead is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal baffles me... you dont NEED ureadahead.. it should be a recommend
[07:40] <Vigo> Why Tomboy?
[07:42] <LordKow> i was looking for a good reason to switch back to qemu, now i have it
[07:43] <Vigo> LordKnow: Are you on an older box or laptop?
[07:47] <LordKow> Vigo: old school dual opteron cpu
[07:47] <LordKow> no kvm :(
[07:51] <DanaG> hmm, how about vbox?
[07:52] <LordKow> DanaG: cpu must support virtualization
[07:53] <DanaG> I think you can run it without VT support.
[07:53] <LordKow> so can qemu
[07:53] <LordKow> and vmware for that matter
[07:53] <LordKow> and virtualbox does not have problems with the proprietary nvidia driver and virtualbox :)
[07:54] <LordKow> err
[07:54] <LordKow> qemu
[07:55] <Vigo> nouveu? <spell check that>
[07:55] <LordKow> yea i really just want to call it nv... fewer letters and im lazy
[07:56] <Vigo> I was reading up on that a bit, still reading...
[07:57] <DanaG> just say nv binary.
[07:57] <DanaG> or nvrm.  though few people will know what that is.
[07:57] <DanaG> !g NVRM
[07:57] <DanaG> er
[07:57] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92339
[08:02] <thak> I was wondering if anyone else has a problem with deluged in 10.4?
[08:04] <ezequiel> HI every body
[08:08] <darolu> I'd like to use the font used in the new Ubuntu logo, does the font have a name? is there a font package already available? a similar one at least?
[08:09] <ezequiel> why are people saying lucid linx will not have gimp in it's repositories???
[08:09] <Vigo> People talk
[08:10] <Vigo> It is in there already.
[08:10] <darolu> I've never heard/read this gimp rumour until now
[08:11] <Vigo> I have not either, but peoples do talk.
[08:11] <alex_mayorga> what do you think of this idea http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5588 ?
[08:11] <alex_mayorga> Idea #5588: Make my desktop/laptop work as a bluetooth headset
[08:12] <alex_mayorga> just today I stumbled into the use case myself
[08:12] <ezequiel> I read it in a webpage from someone writting an article about lucid linx
[08:12] <alex_mayorga> is it an easy hack?
[08:13] <darolu> alex_mayorga, the idea is good, compatibility with all mobiles may be a pain in the neck though
[08:13] <Vigo> alex_mayorga: I think, I am not certain, but I think Ekiga does that.
[08:14] <alex_mayorga> darolu: I know, but honestly I was kind of baffled to find out my laptop can't "fake" being a headset
[08:14] <alex_mayorga> Vigo: got links?
[08:15] <ezequiel> I want to know the features that will come with Lucid Linx so to decide to upgrade or keep Karmic on my PC but where can I find some information about Lucid???
[08:15] <alex_mayorga> I believe if anything it should be a bluetooth preference somewhere
[08:15] <DanaG> alex_mayorga: it's possible if you edit /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf...
[08:15] <DanaG> ... but when I try that, pulseaudio dies on an assertion failure, repeatedly.
[08:15] <Vigo> alex_mayorga: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga
[08:15] <alex_mayorga> ezequiel: IMHO you should just upgrade, if anything you'll get more/better functionality
[08:16] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: you mean you've already tried it?
[08:16] <DanaG> yeah.
[08:16] <bbordwell> ezequiel, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[08:16] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: did you bug pulseaudio?
[08:16] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-tickets@mail.0pointer.de/msg02912.html
[08:16] <DanaG> A bug report already exists, though not in Ubuntu.
[08:17] <alex_mayorga> Vigo: thanks, I 'know ekiga, but I'm more interested on taking my cellphone calls on the PC if possible
[08:17] <darolu> ezequiel, you can read the release notes http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 just keep in mind it is beta right now. In general, upgrading is (most of the times) recommended, 10.04 is a LTS release so I would STRONGLY recommend upgrading.
[08:17] <DanaG> In my case, it was with a2dp only.
[08:18] <ezequiel> thank you! :)
[08:18] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: I see, I wonder if bluez was bugged also
[08:18] <DanaG> http://jprvita.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/1-2-3-4-a2dp-stream/
[08:19] <alex_mayorga> I'll download ekiga if just to chat with that 500@ekiga.net gal :)
[08:19] <DanaG> google terms:
[08:19] <DanaG> pulseaudio bluetooth assertion source
[08:19] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: Thanks!
[08:22] <DexterLB> when is beta2 due?
[08:23] <Vigo> 5 hours ago
[08:23] <DexterLB> but it still isn't released
[08:23] <DexterLB> bloody early deadlines
[08:23] <DexterLB> devs can never keep up to them
[08:23] <Vigo> Yeah, is all fun
[08:23] <ubuntu> I am using Ubuntu 10 04 beta live cd, every now and then the entire SCREEN turns GRAY and everything slows down
[08:24] <darolu> DexterLB, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[08:24] <sebsebseb> Hi
[08:24] <DexterLB> darolu: yeah, and it says today
[08:24] <arand> 8th, they've got a whole day to go.
[08:24] <darolu> DexterLB, :D yup, I dunno what is their time zone though
[08:25] <DexterLB> ooh
[08:25] <DexterLB> time zones
[08:25] <DexterLB> I thought it was UTC
[08:25] <bbordwell> DexterLB, yep it is still wed night in some places
[08:25] <arand> DexterLB: It is, usually.
[08:25] <darolu> ubuntu, well it is "Beta", bugs like that are expected; check your memory integrity though... just in case.
[08:25] <arand> DexterLB: But the relase is always "sometime during..."
[08:26] <DanaG> ugh, bedtyme
[08:26] <DanaG> Thu Apr  8 00:26:07 PDT 2010
[08:26] <Torrentow_> Hello
[08:26]  * DexterLB :  Thu Apr  8 10:26:15 EEST 2010
[08:26] <bbordwell> Torrentow_, hello
[08:26] <DexterLB> Torrentow_: hey
[08:26] <arand> And the best is really to check back tomorrow, then if there's no delays, it will have been released..
[08:27] <Torrentow_> we're use ntfs on ubuntu?
[08:27]  * DexterLB loves bleeding edge though
[08:27] <DexterLB> Torrentow_: I didn't understand you
[08:27] <darolu> we are using ntfs on ubuntu??
[08:27] <Torrentow_> *we are
[08:28] <Torrentow_> yep
[08:28] <darolu> we are used? using?
[08:28] <DexterLB> ntfs is supported to some extent
[08:28] <darolu> Torrentow_, you can use NTFS partitions
[08:28] <DexterLB> but certainly not recommended
[08:28] <DexterLB> they are known to cause trouble
[08:28] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: seems they've reached PoC using oFono, whatever that is
[08:28] <arand> For root FS, really? (apart from wubi)...
[08:28] <darolu> well... interact with; I wouldn't use ntfs as my main file system (i.e. for / or /home)
[08:29] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: see http://jprvita.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/handsfree-hs-role
[08:29] <Torrentow_> i have a small bugs, he is on lauchpad
[08:29] <DexterLB> for rootfs - hardly
[08:29] <Torrentow_> i wailt a updates
[08:29] <arand> DexterLB: certainly ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs works very well for everything except chkdsk and defragging.
[08:30] <Torrentow_> *for
[08:30] <DexterLB> ntfs needs chdsk and defragging
[08:30] <DexterLB> it's a primitive FS you know
[08:30] <arand> That was probably meant for Torrentow_ , btw
[08:30] <darolu> DexterLB, that is correct
[08:31] <DexterLB> and M$ are stuck with it
[08:31] <DexterLB> afraid to make change as we, humans, always di
[08:31] <DexterLB> do
[08:31] <DexterLB> *
[08:31] <bbordwell> DexterLB, supposed to be a new fs for vista....got delayed to windows 7.....hmm still no new fs
[08:31] <arand> I'm excited about btrfs, snapshotting sounds sweeet.
[08:31] <DexterLB> :D
[08:32] <Torrentow_> my partitions on ntfs, i must change my fs to xfs
[08:32] <Vigo> is tzdata the route if I wish to change to UTC?
[08:32] <SandGorgon> hmm... a lucid bug hit hacker news front page.. with criticisms http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1248725
[08:32] <darolu> Well Microsoft and all of its associates benefit from a crappy, rudimentary and ancient file system; they can sell you apps to defrag/fix them that way
[08:33] <DexterLB> Vigo: tzconfig and tzselect
[08:33] <DexterLB> yeah, tzdata
[08:33] <Vigo> DexterLB: Thank you
[08:33] <darolu> Torrentow_, your / partition should be either ext4 or xfs; yeah. xfs is more reliable although ext4 is faster and has neat features
[08:33] <bbordwell> darolu, but windows includes a defrag utility so you would have to be stupid to buy one?
[08:34] <Torrentow_> i will test raifaser fs
[08:34] <DexterLB> hmm, I have ext3 for / on lucid
[08:34] <DexterLB> is that bad?
[08:34] <bbordwell> DexterLB, nope
[08:34] <darolu> bbordwell, they also offer anti-virus solutions which in my opinion is far more stupid
[08:35] <darolu> bbordwell, I haven't used windows in a while, but I remember a "CCleaner" app (or similar name) that was quite popular, I bet there are hundreds of similar apps out there
[08:36] <darolu> DexterLB, is not bad at all
[08:36] <Vigo> I use ClamAV and others on this GNU/Linux/BSD box because MS is still 95% or more of the users worldwide.
[08:38] <darolu> I'd like to use the font used in the new Ubuntu logo, does the font have a name? is there a font package already available? a similar one at least?
[08:38] <arand> darolu: I'm not even sure it's all finished...
[08:41] <Vigo> darolu: I am still looking for that for you, no luck yet..
[08:41] <darolu> arand, I'm not sure either, but I suppose it's been finished for a while now; anyways a similar font would be nice; is there a similar one? I love the "u" and "t" look
[08:43] <darolu> Vigo, thanks I'm still looking for it or a similar one... sadly I see no "ttf-ubuntu-title" package in lucid's ones
[08:44] <darolu> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hu/lucid/x11/ttf-ubuntu-title
[08:44] <Vigo> darolu: Maybe here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-March/009224.html <>Regenerate font, among other things including more Kazakh characters
[08:48] <darolu> Vigo, the link seems to be a thread about a boot loader :( the package I pasted installs the "regular/old" ubuntu font
[08:50] <Vigo> daralu: It is not the Kazakh thing?
[08:54] <Vigo> darolu: Or here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/0.9.8
[08:56] <darolu> Vigo, Kasakh refers to a ethnic group, the thread talks about the characters they use; the second launchpad link you pasted talks about a boot theme also.
[08:57] <Vigo> It is a Humanity towards all thing, maybe
[08:57] <darolu> (well seems to contain sources of a boot theme)
[08:58] <Vigo> So the gfxboot may have it listed...?
[08:59] <darolu> I'm looking for the latin/utf-8/iso-8859-1 version of it; thanks man
[09:05] <Vigo> darolu: You are quite welcome, I hope that path works.
[09:08] <gentoo4life> the new flgrx drivers that ubuntu got early are working pretty good. anyone else using them now?
[09:09] <yatin_> I have installed ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, works great... I have tried installing on my desktop but cant make it to work... i have nvidia 7200 gs graphics card..
[09:10] <Vigo> I am sleepy now, Thank you all and have a great time.
[09:10] <titan_ark> hi. I just wanted to report that its the 2nd time in 2 weeks my lucid boot has failed
[09:11] <gentoo4life> anyone else having shutdown issues? like it just goes black and the computer doesnt power off
[09:11] <titan_ark> gentoo4life, yes i had something similar now.
[09:11] <gentoo4life> titan_ark, you firgure out whats causing the problem?
[09:12] <titan_ark> actually FF was instantiating and also the terminal was inaccessable no buttons or text was visible in the dialog boxes that came up etc
[09:12] <titan_ark> so i tried to reboot and it was not
[09:12] <titan_ark> so i had to force reboot
[09:12] <titan_ark> and now i cant boot in!
[09:12] <titan_ark> could not figure out whats wrong
[09:12] <gentoo4life> ouch, you running a raid?
[09:13] <gentoo4life> it fucks up the stripe when you power off using raid... ive done it too many times lol
[09:14] <titan_ark> i dont think raid. not much idea. its an hp dv4 notebook
[09:14] <titan_ark> 2nd time i had to re install lucid :(
[09:14] <titan_ark> i think i will have to wait for rc. beta is too buggy
[09:15] <gentoo4life> im using the daily, its running great on my desktop although its only been a couple of days since the ati drivers got fixed
[09:16] <titan_ark> that is good
[09:16] <titan_ark> i have been having trouble since day 1
[09:16] <titan_ark> nti**.bin crashes on every boot
[09:17] <titan_ark> quite a few crashes
[09:18] <gentoo4life> this is the first 64bit linux distro ive used on this computer that had flawless 1080p and didnt have those horizontal line artifacts in openarena. im quite impressed
[09:19] <BigMack83> im using lucid on my HP pavillion dv7, anytime i put a dvd in to play it, it tells me unable to play: cannot read from resource. does anyone else know of this issue?
[09:20] <bbordwell> BigMack83, do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[09:20] <BigMack83> ill look, hold on
[09:21] <BigMack83> um updating my sources. so just a sec
[09:24] <gentoo4life> its libdvdread is think now
[09:24] <bbordwell> gentoo4life, that is a diffferent package
[09:24] <bbordwell> gentoo4life, libdvdcss2 is for the encryption
[09:24] <gentoo4life> ah
[09:25] <bbordwell> BigMack83, also check for libdvdread though as that is needed as well
[09:26] <gentoo4life> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[09:26] <bbordwell> gentoo4life, he left the channel
[09:26] <gentoo4life> just incase anyone else was lurkin
[09:26] <BigMack83> bbordwell: i guess i didnt have it installed. i dont see why you cant just play encrypted dvd's by default. i can see ripping them, but just to play. seems kinda lame.
[09:26] <gentoo4life> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs you missed this a second ago
[09:27] <bbordwell> BigMack83, it is illegal to ship ubuntu in some countries with it included
[09:27] <bbordwell> BigMack83, http://packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/libdvdcss2.html
[09:27] <bbordwell> install that package
[09:27] <BigMack83> yea i found the page to install it. thanks
[09:28] <BigMack83> in the package manager, in the description for the*buntu-restricted-extras it said it wasnt installed and gave a link to install it
[09:28] <BigMack83> thanks
[09:31] <qwertyjustin> hey my computer just froze coming out of suspend mode. it happens occasionally, what's the best log file to look @ for this issue??
[09:32] <Machtin> why does my hp-printer not print duplex, although i set it to do so?
[09:34] <qwertyjustin> type in ur printer model and 'ubuntu' in google
[09:34] <qwertyjustin> they'll help u get it good mate
[09:34] <qwertyjustin> i just through on my hp the other day
[09:34] <qwertyjustin> works brilliant
[09:34] <Machtin> hm, i'll check
[09:39] <HagenaarsDotNu> \quit
[09:49] <linuxrevolution> waiting for beta 2 :-/
[09:49] <bullgard> '~$ uname -a; Linux T42 2.6.32-19-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 31 17:46:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux.' My Ubuntu is up-to-date. is this Beta 2?
[09:51] <bbordwell> bullgard, yes
[09:52] <bullgard> bbordwell: Thank you.
[09:52] <bbordwell> bullgard, unless they upload some new packages fro bug fixes at the last minute.
[09:52] <bbordwell> s/fro/for
[09:52] <RHansen> it looks like my updated beta1 kernel
[09:53] <RHansen> is beta2 equal to beta1 with updates?
[09:53] <bbordwell> RHansen, since april first pretty much
[09:53] <RHansen> thanks
[09:55] <bbordwell> RHansen, a week before the beta release there is a package freeze so no changes are made unless it is minor bug fixes to ensure the beta2 disk will be (mostly) stable
[09:56] <RHansen> I'll go see if I can replicate a bug then, I have a server install and the console doesnt show up when booting. I can ssh to the box fine though. I searched the bug-site, but couldnt find it there.
[09:58] <linuxrevolution> bbordwell: I change theme but nautilus is classic theme!!
[09:58] <BUGabundo> diæs !
[09:59] <bbordwell> linuxrevolution, changing themes is working fine for me. have you tried rebooting?
[10:00] <linuxrevolution> bbordwell: yes, sometimes when I start ubuntu, theme is classic and I have to change it again
[10:07] <linuxrevolution> bbordwell: yes, sometimes when I start ubuntu, theme is classic and I have to change it again
[10:08] <ranjan> hai all the plymouth is missing after the latest update.
[10:08] <ranjan> any work around
[10:08] <ranjan> ??
[10:22] <RHansen> Ok, so I installed a second Lenovo T500 with 10.04beta1 32-bit server-edition, and there is only a blank console on that one too. Clean server install with only openssh-server. Does that warrant a bug-report?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> someone check something for me , please
[10:23] <BUGabundo>  should click images attached to LP open a new tab? or use the same?
[10:28] <Sweet> does anyone know when beta2 is going to be released
[10:33] <jpds> Sweet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[10:34] <jackhigh1> anyone familiar with the ayi open driver it cant detect my screen and i cant get a decent resoulution
[10:34] <jackhigh1> *ati
[10:34] <Sweet> jpds: I know its today but I was just wondering when exactly ^^
[10:34] <jpds> Sweet: No idea.
[10:35] <sebsebseb> Sweet: probably in a few hours or so
[10:35] <allard> Hey, I tried to upgrade to beta1. The upgrade worked, but now my nvidia video card does nothing on 2.6.32. That is, the monitors go black and it looks like there is no video output what soever. The old 2.6.31 kernel still boots and X works fine. Where should I go and file a bugreport
[10:36] <coz_> allard,  did you reinstall the nvidia driver?
[10:36] <allard> yeah, I tried to reinstall, lemme see
[10:36] <allard> apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-185
[10:36] <allard> I also ran dkms
[10:37] <coz_> allard,  let me check on my lucid machine for the correct one hold on
[10:37] <allard> dkms status shows an installed module for 2.6.32
[10:37] <allard> that would be the latest... )
[10:38] <coz_> allard,  I believe it would be   sudo apt-get install  nvidia-current
[10:39] <allard> ah, 195.36.15
[10:39] <allard> reinstalling now
[10:39] <allard> must be mode settings support that is borked
[10:39] <allard> s/settings/setting/
[10:40] <marienz> I think I'll upgrade my laptop from karmic once beta2's officially released
[10:41] <allard> allright, this did something :)
[10:41] <allard> thanks, coz_
[10:42] <coz_> allard,  let me know if it in fact worked
[10:42] <allard> now to test it :)
[10:42] <allard> brb ;)
[10:57] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hello
[11:02] <zenet> hello
[11:02] <zenet> i'm trying to install the ubuntu 10.04 beta on my intel 2 Quad 64 and the install process freezes !!
[11:04] <zenet> anybody here ?
[11:04] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-drops-yahoo-will-use-google.html
[11:04] <sebsebseb> hi duffydack
[11:04] <gnomefreak> zenet: yes people are here, someone will help you if they can help with your issue
[11:05] <duffydack> hi
[11:05] <duffydack> sebsebseb, lol, I was just about to post that
[11:05] <sebsebseb> oh?
[11:07] <sebsebseb> duffydack: beat you to it then :D
[11:16] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: see log from this # for about 22:00 GMT+1 yesterday for more insite on google vs yahoo
[11:17] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: im looking at the mailing list post
[11:22] <[diablo]> afternoon all
[11:22] <[diablo]> guys, beta2 is out today yeah?
[11:23] <coc0nut> !schedule
[11:24] <[diablo]> yep, I´ve seen it
[11:24] <chazco> Hi... on 9.10 i can enable and calibrate my touchscreen using a HAL FDI file... how can I do this on 10.04? (the touchscreen doesn't work on the live cd)
[11:25] <[diablo]> any torrents kicking about as I see no ISO images atm
[11:26] <coc0nut> Is it even out yet?
[11:26] <coc0nut> I thought it'd be released later as half the world isn't even awake yet. ^^
[11:26] <duffydack> in cdimages.ubuntu.com there is Archive-Update-in-Progress-chromium.canonical.com   ?)
[11:34] <Sensiva> /top
[11:39] <duffydack> guess im beta 2 already, there aint been any major updates for sometime
[11:42] <neurre> hi
[11:42] <neurre> is there net installo cd image somewhere?
[11:44] <BUGabundo> yes
[11:44] <BUGabundo> sec
[11:44] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[11:44] <BUGabundo> neurre: ^^^^^^
[11:44] <BUGabundo> you can also use netboot.me or boot.kernel.org
[11:45] <BUGabundo> but will need to set the proper mirror to point to lucid
[11:58] <mkulke> hello, i updated my packages today and now my laptop does not shutdown any more. it just hangs on the splash screen forever :/
[11:58] <mkulke> anyone had this problem?
[11:59] <bpat|Work> For the beta, is the netbook remix using gnome available?  Or is there only one and that which is on the Kubuntu (and assumingly uses KDE) the only one?
[12:02] <[diablo]> and does anyone know about JEOS 10.04 at all please?
[12:02] <yellabs> hello everybody
[12:02] <yellabs> how is it going?
[12:02] <[diablo]> afternoon yellabs
[12:03] <yellabs> is there a freeze in the daily builds ? its at april 6, thats the latest version...
[12:03] <yellabs> so there is no 7 april or 8 april version?
[12:03] <yellabs> or is my cache playing tricks?
[12:04] <yellabs> any tips are welcome
[12:05] <yellabs> daily live, cd is what i am talking about by the way
[12:06] <yellabs> could some one take a quick look?
[12:06] <yellabs> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:06] <yellabs> does it say 6 april ?
[12:07] <Sensiva> yellabs Beta2 freeze happened on the 1st of Apr.
[12:07] <Sensiva> according to the schedule Beta2 will be released today
[12:08] <yellabs> ah , i see
[12:08] <yellabs> i will wait a bit then , cool
[12:08] <yellabs> thanks for the info
[12:08] <yellabs> good
[12:09] <Sensiva> you welcome
[12:22] <HagenaarsDotNu1> Is there an eta for the beta 2 or is it merely sometime today?
[12:27] <yofel> HagenaarsDotNu1: some time, there'll be a mail on the devel-announce mailing list once it's out and the topic will be updated
[12:27] <yofel> HagenaarsDotNu1: you can just get a daily build from yesterday though, not much has changed since then
[12:30] <quentusrex> anyone know what time the beta is coming out?
[12:31] <BUGabundo> !schedule > quentusrex
[12:31] <zekoZeko> someone please update the topic, only questions today seem to be about beta2 release :)
[12:31] <quentusrex> :)
[12:31] <quentusrex> yes, someone please update the topic
[12:32] <BUGabundo> oh noesz
[12:32] <BUGabundo> release day again?
[12:32] <alvin> Hmm, if you set 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces, Lucid does not create /etc/resolv.conf at boot, but does give you an IP address. Against what package do you file such a bug?
[12:32] <quentusrex> since many people avoid the first beta's like the plague, but are willing to test the 2nd beta
[12:32] <BUGabundo> I better mute this # then
[12:32] <quentusrex> it ain't me, but it's always the top thing for release days...
[12:32] <BUGabundo> alvin: did you change NM to managed mode?
[12:32] <BUGabundo> cause in unmanged it will ignore /etc/network/interfaces
[12:33] <jo-erlend> does anyone know the actual reason for switching back to Google?
[12:33] <quentusrex> BUGabundo, thanks for the pm, but I already know today is the release. I asked about the time.
[12:33] <alvin> BUGabundo: NM should see that I'm using /etc/network/interfaces. Has that changed?
[12:33] <BUGabundo> alvin: like 3 cycles ago?
[12:33] <yofel> zekoZeko, quentusrex: the topic will be updated once beta2 is out, be patient
[12:33] <BUGabundo> or am I missinterperting ?
[12:33] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[12:33] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[12:34] <alvin> BUGabundo: I think you are wrong there.
[12:34] <BUGabundo> I totally forgot today was B2 :(
[12:34] <zekoZeko> yofel: update it to: beta2 is not out yet, be patient :)
[12:34] <BUGabundo> alvin: please ask asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[12:34] <BUGabundo> NM is his work
[12:34] <BUGabundo> zekoZeko: LOOOOOOOOOL
[12:34] <yofel> hm, here NM shows that the interface is unmanaged I think if interface is used
[12:34] <yofel> don't have gui access to my server atm to check it
[12:34] <alvin> But /etc/network/interfaces is not NM. Otherwise I could file the bug against NM. Wehn using NM, itactually works wel.
[12:35] <yofel> oh, I'm using static configuration
[12:35] <yofel> hm...
[12:36] <alvin> yofel is right. That's that way it should be. If I say: auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp, NM should not do anything.
[12:36] <quentusrex> thanks yofel just checking.
[12:36] <quentusrex> :)
[12:36] <yofel> but I think my server still uses dhcp for DNS
[12:36] <alvin> And it doesn't. Only weird thing is: I do receive an IP address, but resolvconf does not create /etc/resolv.conf
[12:37] <alvin> Which causes the boot process to break
[12:37] <yofel> I'm  not exactly sure how interfaces works, but here's mine: http://yofel.pastebin.com/6bWhX0Ar
[12:37] <alvin> I wish we had boot logging, but the Ubuntu faeries have not been kind in that regard :-(
[12:37] <yofel> resolv.conf is properly set
[12:38] <alvin> yofel: That is a perfectly valid /etc/network/interfaces. You're not using NM. (neither was I)
[12:38] <alvin> that's because you set it by hand. When using dhcp, it gets overwritten
[12:38] <yofel> alvin: well, upstart doesn't talk much by default, use --verbose or --debug to make it talk, it should log the boot too then I think
[12:39] <yofel> (use them where quiet splash is set)
[12:39] <alvin> Where is that exactly? Some grub configuration? I lost track when they removed menu.lst
[12:39] <avis> how is rv620 support in lucid ?  what i'm wondering specificly is video playback
[12:40] <yofel> alvin: said it wrong: I didn't set my resolv.conf, but it does have the proper content
[12:40] <alvin> there's /etc/default/bootlogd, but we shouldn't touch that according to the upstart dev
[12:40] <yofel> maybe it's left over my NM...
[12:40] <yofel> *by
[12:40] <alvin> yofel: Probably :-)
[12:40] <alvin> It's generated by resolvconf when using dhcp
[12:40] <yofel> alvin: it's the grub kernel line (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub)
[12:41] <BigMack83> sorry for asking again, but i was disconnected after i asked and dont know if anyone answered. But, i have managed to get flashplayer 10 x64 installed and working for firefox, but how can i get flash player 10 to work under chrome on a x64 machine? i have the x64 libflashplayer.so file
[12:41] <yofel> alvin: I haven't used them much though except for debugging hung boots. --debug slows boot down quite a bit
[12:42] <alvin> yofel: Thanks. Is there any documentation (man page) about what --verbose  and --debug do?
[12:42] <yofel> alvin: man init mentiones --verbose, --debug was mentioned by someone in here
[12:42] <alvin> yofel: With the lightning fast boot we have now, I don't care. I'm suffering from having LVM and Lucid has big troubles with that. A bit of debugging can't hurt
[12:44] <BUGabundo> lunch
[12:45] <alvin> That man page does not say anything about grub.cfg, but about init. I'll just delete splash and quiet for now. (Splash is plain ugly and I can only read the middle of a message anyway because 1 line is larger than the 21" screen), so I won't miss that
[12:45] <yofel> !grub2 | alvin
[12:45]  * alvin reboots while quasselcore stays here
[12:48] <yofel> oh, a fellow quasselcore user :D
[12:50] <dholbach> Packaging Training session in #ubuntu-classroom with geser in 10 mins: Q&A about the Developer Membership Board
[12:52] <alvin> ...I forgot to run update-grub. But I can confirm the bug. No resolv.conf
[12:54] <yofel> hm... the only thing that the networking init script does today is run 'ifup -a'
[12:55] <yofel> alvin: maybe file a bug against that?
[12:56] <yofel> package 'ifupdown'
[12:57]  * yofel goes to his desktop and messes with the network configuration...
[13:00] <theadmin> Will Lucid already be as Lubuntu as stand-alone system?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> there is a lubuntu iso i thought allready. but i did not see it at the normal ubuntu download servers
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> but at the lubuntu homepage
[13:01] <bazhang> perhaps #lubuntu would know
[13:02] <alvin> yofel: I'll do it like that without looking for extra logs. There are way too many problems with booting. Due to the LVM volumes not mounting, I have to skip mounting during boot and issue a mount -a afterwards. Now, plymouth asks nicely if I want to wait for all eternity for the filesystem to come available or press 'S' to skip. (I press S). Without splash, there's no such option, and not even a notification of trying to mount the volume.
[13:02] <alvin>  Pressing S does work however,...
[13:02]  * yofel would be curious why we have no lubuntu dailies
[13:02] <theadmin> Dunno, when i click "get Lubuntu" on their homepage it redirects me to Bazaar branch list on Launchpad
[13:03] <yofel> alvin: yeah, boot interaction is horrible, I had similiar issues with plymouth waiting for nfs4 here without network being up
[13:03] <alvin> restored splash. I can live with an ugly kubuntu logo for a few seconds. (Blame nvidia and their proprietary drivers.)
[13:03] <yofel> oh, I have 1600x1200 plymouth here with nvidia thanks to framebuffers :D
[13:03] <alvin> yofel: Don't get me started about NFS mounts in /etc/fstab! Canonical support told me it would be better in Lucid. That's the primary reason I'm testing now.
[13:03] <yofel> haha
[13:04] <alvin> They also told me there are not many users suffering from that, according to the bug report :-( I think they are wrong there.
[13:05] <yofel> oh nice, after setting eth1 in interfaces here it's not even started o.O, eth0, wlan0 and lo yes, but eth1 not
[13:05] <alvin> ifupdown it is
[13:05] <yofel> hm,  ifup -a doesn't start it
[13:06] <yofel> I have to manually run ifup eth1
[13:06] <yofel> aaaaargh...
[13:06] <alvin> Erase your /etc/resolv.conf and see what happens (well, move, not erase)
[13:06] <yofel> resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolv.conf must be a symlink -> wtf?
[13:06] <alvin> Yeah, I thought I had seen messages like that
[13:06] <alvin> Oh? Apparently it is
[13:07] <yofel> dhcp is run, and gets the proper values, but can't set resolv.conf
[13:07] <yofel> it isn't here
[13:07] <yofel> for whatever reason
[13:07] <alvin> Well, if you use NM. It's a link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[13:07] <yofel> let me fix that and try again
[13:07] <alvin> strange,...
[13:08] <yofel> ok, now ifup -a brings eth1 up  properly with IP, and a useless resolv.conf
[13:09] <yofel> oh come on
[13:09] <yofel> not that stupid postfix error again...
[13:11] <alvin> yofel: Here's the bug 558384
[13:11] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/411008/
[13:12] <yofel> that's my ifup eth1
[13:12] <yofel> first it complains about it not being a symlink and then it complains about it being the same file...
[13:12] <alvin> lol, I like: cp: `/etc/resolv.conf' and `/etc/resolv.conf' are the same file
[13:14] <alvin> Hmm, I should probably have reported against resolvconf instead of ifupdown
[13:14] <alvin> aptitude why resolvconf says: plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[13:14] <yofel> fixed by adding '|| exit 0' after the cp command...
[13:15] <yofel> ok, now resolv.conf is set properly
[13:15] <yofel> actually the error that makes the whole thing fail comes from a postfix script
[13:16] <yofel> and I think I had that error months ago with bind9 already...
[13:16] <yofel> still not fixed
[13:16] <yofel> ok, let me reboot and try again
[13:16] <alvin> Yeah, Ubuntu is in need of more resources for bug fixing.
[13:17] <yofel> actually I could write up a debdiff for that now, I'll check on the bug report from back then later
[13:17] <yofel> if you want bugs fixed fix them yourself...
[13:18] <alvin> I know that sentence, but I'm no programmer. I did pay Canonical for support (if many people do that they can hire more devs), but that does not entitle me to requests fixes.
[13:19] <alvin> They provide workarounds instead.
[13:19] <yofel> well, if it's simple script errors I know how to fix them, and I learned a bit about debian packaging since I last had that error
[13:19] <alvin> It's certainly sensible, but most production problems when using Ubuntu come from bugs
[13:19] <yofel> indeed
[13:22] <yofel> alvin: just to make sure, you do have postfix installed?
[13:22] <alvin> yofel: No, I don't
[13:22] <yofel> ok, booting now, let's see what happens
[13:22] <yofel> *lets
[13:23] <videorechner> hi, I booted a live image over network to ram, things worked great, but Knetworkmanager wont be able to connect to the network. All it says is: Trying to retrieve network adress
[13:24] <yofel> alvin: ok... resolvconf still empty...
[13:24] <yofel> and eth1 not up again o.O
[13:25] <alvin> empty or non-existing?
[13:25] <yofel> down
[13:25] <yofel> resolv.conf existing with the 2 comment lines
[13:25] <alvin> Ah, true. I have the same
[13:26] <alvin> But I believe, after the upgrade, I had no file. The 2 comment lines where created after using NM (I think)
[13:26] <yofel> ok, let me check something...
[13:28] <yofel> now plymouth crashed on fsck...
[13:29] <alvin> Don't worry. It will be an LTS release. More stability is coming. ;-)
[13:29] <alvin> They wouldn't put beta quality software in an LTS.
[13:29] <yofel> well, it'll be better than karmic at least
[13:29] <alvin> I certainly hope so!
[13:30] <yofel> the bug I had just now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554079
[13:30] <yofel> not sysvinits fault, but I think even scott isn't sure what's wrong
[13:31] <yofel> *headdesk*
[13:31] <yofel> I forgot to add eth1 to 'auto lo' ...
[13:31] <yofel> ok, now eth1 is up on boot, but resol.conf is still unusable
[13:31] <yofel> let me confirm your bug
[13:31] <alvin> I use Ubuntu a lot for my freelance work, but I didn't dare install karmic at most places. If Canonical succeeds in getting Lucid stable, I think I'll buy some landscape licenses from them. Otherwise, I don't really know what way to go.
[13:31] <alvin> scott just has too much work. That's a big project for one man
[13:31] <coc0nut> What does Scott do?
[13:32] <yofel> indeed, and then he has to bear with bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/557177
[13:32] <yofel> (the comments)
[13:33] <alvin> Well, he writes it in his last comments in that bug "I have to maintain just about every line of code between the Ubuntu kernel and the X server and basically the entire boot system"
[13:33] <coc0nut> One person does that?
[13:33] <coc0nut> Impressive.
[13:33] <alvin> I must admit I see his name in quite a lot of bugs that are critical to production (at least for me)
[13:34] <yofel> +1
[13:34] <alvin> He's the one that might eventually give us boot logging.
[13:39] <yofel> alvin: does running 'sudo ifdown -a; sudo ifup -a' fix the resolv.conf after booting?
[13:39] <alvin> let me try
[13:41] <alvin> no
[13:41] <alvin> Heh, I can actually keep typing without resolv.conf now :-)
[13:41] <alvin> resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolv.conf must be a symlink
[13:41] <alvin> run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/000resolvconf exited with return code 1
[13:41] <yofel> ...
[13:41] <yofel> and if it's a symlink?
[13:42] <alvin> checking...
[13:43] <alvin> That works.
[13:43] <alvin> So, conclusion: It only goes wrong during boot?
[13:44] <yofel> this should be bug 448095 then
[13:46] <koltroll> has something changed in lucid when it comes to NTFS-support ?
[13:47] <alvin> yofel: Hmm, I didn't use those lines. I don't think it's the same bug, judging from the comments. (Some of the comments are also not about the bug itself)
[13:47] <koltroll> Because I can mount my NTFS-partition and write to it without any problems whatsoever. And as far as I can understand, that shouldn't be possible with Karmic, at least not with the default kernel drivers.
[13:48] <alvin> yofel: However, I do remember from Karmic that the search domain was indeed not respected! Subscribing to the bug...
[13:48] <yofel> koltroll: mounting ntfs in gnome should use ntfs-3g which has proper write support
[13:48] <alvin> lol, one of the comments: resolvconf is in universe. That means it isn't even officialy supported.
[13:49] <yofel> which is actually true, insane but true
[13:49] <yofel> !universe
[13:49] <koltroll> yofel, ooh is that how it works. Hmm. Well that's brilliant. Then I should happily be able to convert my ext4 to ntfs and then be able to work with the partitions from both os'es - yes?
[13:50] <yofel> koltroll: depends on what you need, ntfs has no support for linux permissions, so you can only use it for data storage not as a system partition
[13:50] <alvin> koltroll: Yes, don't put / on ntfs.
[13:51] <yofel> alvin: I'll confirm and reassign your bug to resolvconf, as ifup brings the interface up properly but only the DNS settings are missing
[13:52] <koltroll> yofel, alvin - it's my warez really. I've got an iphone, and those I need iTunes. The win system is on a separate partition
[13:52] <alvin> yofel: Yes, do that. ifupdown is not to blame
[13:52] <alvin> koltroll: I believe there are linux programs that let you put stuff on an iPhone too.
[13:53] <koltroll> is that how you say it. "and those". it's not, is it. and word you use instead of "there for"
[13:53] <koltroll> alvin, yea there are, but it's just alot easier with itunes. everything just works, no hustle.
[13:53] <BUGabundo_lunch> koltroll: better put all in ext4 and install the extfs driver on windows
[13:54] <koltroll> BUGabundo_lunch, there's such a thing? yea that sounds way better!
[13:54] <koltroll> I just realized I got my super warez partition mounted as /home here so I want be touching it :)
[13:54] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: is extfs able to properly access ext4? I'm not sure about extends
[13:54] <alvin> koltroll: It' 'therefore' (I suppose. Not native English either). But we did understand what you meant.
[13:55] <yofel> alvin: done
[13:55] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: I had no prob with ext 2 or 3
[13:55] <BUGa_vacations> and for most of what it needs from ext4, it _should_ work
[13:55] <alvin> BUGa_vacations: Actually, the most stable way is ntfs-3g. ext2fs on Windows could destroy stuff and (as far as I know) does not work with ext4
[13:55] <BUGa_vacations> but I'm sure koltroll won't mind testing on a backup disk
[13:55] <alvin> My brother used it for a long time on ext3 and it did go wrong.
[13:55] <koltroll> alvin, "thus" is the word as I was looking for :) "  Therefore; consequently: Thus it was necessary for me to resign."
[13:56] <yofel> I know it works with ext2/3, haven't tested 4 myself yet
[13:56] <alvin> koltroll: Nice :-)
[13:56] <yofel> I certainly won't try to enable write support though
[13:56] <BUGa_vacations> alvin: until ntfs-3g re-writes the the kernel hooks, I'm sticking with " extfs driver is better"
[13:56] <BUGa_vacations> plus I have 3 disks that are accessed by windows for a lot of IO, and they are much better in ext3
[13:56] <BUGa_vacations> plus no fragmentation
[13:57] <alvin> Suit yourself. I don't mix anymore and put important files on a server
[13:57]  * yofel remembers that he wanted to convert is ext3 storage driver to ext4 sometime...
[13:57] <BUGa_vacations> ohh ntfs-3g is DEAD slow
[13:57] <alvin> Ah, fragmentation :-) I often forget it exists
[13:57] <yofel> s/driver/drives/
[13:57] <BUGa_vacations> right
[14:02] <Raydiation> hi could it be that the disc check at startup freezes?
[14:02] <Raydiation> after i restartet it froze at 79% now at 56%
[14:02] <yofel> Raydiation: with plymouth yes, at ~70%
[14:02] <Raydiation> yofel: anything to do against this?
[14:03] <yofel> Raydiation: set bug 554079 to affect you
[14:03] <Raydiation> any boot param
[14:03] <yofel> not really, reboot without fsck is the workaround for now
[14:04] <Raydiation> hm do i have to boot from live cd and check from there?
[14:05] <Raydiation> or do i have a way to not check without having to chroot with a live cd
[14:06] <yofel> unless you have forcefsck set it should boot fine after ctrl+alt+del without the fsck on boot. as the fsck run itself runs fine, but mountall gets stuck somewhere
[14:06] <yofel> if you have that file though you'll have to remove it somehow, maybe try to boot with 'rw init=/bin/bash' instead of 'ro quiet splash' on your kernel grub line
[14:07] <yofel> or do it from a live disk
[14:07] <Raydiation> k
[14:09] <Raydiation> k it worked
[14:09] <Raydiation> i just deleted quiet and splash from the params
[14:09] <Raydiation> will this be fixed til stable?
[14:10] <Raydiation> and can i temporarly disable it or set it up to 100 mounts
[14:11] <yofel> Raydiation: you can disable auto check in /etc/fstab or set the mount count with tune2fs -c (if you use ext234)
[14:11] <QueenZ> Is Beta 2 out yet?
[14:11] <BUGa_vacations> QueenZ: /topic
[14:11] <alvin> QueenZ: no, but you could download a daily and then zsync when beta2 is out if you want it faster
[14:12] <QueenZ> alvin: what is zsync?
[14:12] <alvin> Maybe ubottu knows
[14:12] <alvin> !szync
[14:12] <alvin> !zsync
[14:12] <BUGa_vacations> alvin: stealing my line??
[14:12] <QueenZ> !zsync
[14:12] <yofel> !info zsync
[14:12] <BUGa_vacations> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[14:12] <alvin> BUGa_vacations: :-)
[14:12] <Torrentow_> !help
[14:13] <BUGa_vacations> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[14:13]  * BUGa_vacations is now known as the bot
[14:13] <jo-erlend> what about jigdo, wasn't that supposed to do that?
[14:14] <alvin> Oooh, jigdo. I believe it is something similar, yes.
[14:14] <BUGa_vacations> yes
[14:16] <jo-erlend> is there any historical record of the time of day when each iso has been released? I mean, if there is a clear pattern, then we can extrapolate. :)
[14:17] <BUGa_vacations> yes
[14:17] <BUGa_vacations> about 16h GMT+1 for final releases
[14:17] <BUGa_vacations> but milestones have no such thing, and the tests have many more itearations
[14:23] <QueenZ> window buttons are going to change again!!!! :(((
[14:25] <Pici> Hm?
[14:26] <joaopinto> QueenZ, they are ?
[14:26] <QueenZ> joaopinto: yep
[14:27] <QueenZ> They will stay in the upper left, but the order will change from how they appeared in the beta; now it will be (from left to right): close, minimize, maximize.
[14:27] <QueenZ> http://lwn.net/Articles/381546/
[14:27] <BUGa_vacations> ill open a guest session in  bit
[14:29] <Pici> QueenZ: Read that again.
[14:30] <QueenZ> Pici: i told you they would chang
[14:30] <QueenZ> change*
[14:30] <Pici> QueenZ: The order of the buttons is changing, not their placement on the window.  also, I believe  that this fix was already commited and published.
[14:31] <QueenZ> it wasn't a bug
[14:31] <QueenZ> people are already used at the new order
[14:31] <QueenZ> now it will change again
[14:31] <LinuxGuy2009> Beta2 expected today guys?
[14:31] <BUGa_vacations> well, it's a devel cycle
[14:32] <BUGa_vacations> changes do happen
[14:32] <QueenZ> LinuxGuy2009: yep
[14:32] <sebsebseb> LinuxGuy2009: yes
[14:32] <LinuxGuy2009> sweet
[14:32] <ZykoticK9> QueenZ, good thing Beta testers are flexible ;)
[14:32] <rye> QueenZ, it took a day to re-configure my brain to start using new layout
[14:32] <BUGa_vacations> specially for important milestones
[14:32] <BUGa_vacations> as Betas
[14:32] <QueenZ> rye: gonna have to reconfigure your brain again :D
[14:32] <QueenZ> i'm glad i'm not a beta tester :D
[14:33] <rye> QueenZ, no, I mean after "big little gone" to "gone little big"
[14:33] <QueenZ> right..
[14:35] <LinuxGuy2009> There isnt any reason to do a fresh install with beta2 when its done is there? As long as your updated then you already have beta2 right?
[14:35] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: yes
[14:35] <sebsebseb> LinuxGuy2009: don't always get what your  meant to have, when upgrading development versions
[14:35] <LinuxGuy2009> ok just making sure
[14:36] <yofel> well, it shouldn't be much different, maybe some setting here and there
[14:36] <LinuxGuy2009> so then a clean install would be recomended, yes?
[14:37] <yofel> I wouldn't do one, but it might be cleaner
[14:37] <LinuxGuy2009> ok
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:03] <h00k> Beta 2 todayCC!
[15:03] <h00k> s/CC//
[15:04] <JoshuaL> hmm
[15:04] <JoshuaL> before i login my touchpad works fine, after logging in it doesnt work. my usb mouse seems to work fine
[15:06] <Italian_Plumber> wow just checked the schedule... beta2 due out today?  Any big changes from Beta1?
[15:07] <sp> JoshuaL: could be that the touchpad is disabled when the mouse is plugged in... try unplugging the mouse :)
[15:07] <sp> JoshuaL: just an idea though
[15:07] <JoshuaL> sp, it does work fine before logging in? even with the usb mouse attached. unplugging the mouse doesnt help
[15:09] <sp> JoshuaL: ok, must be something else then... that was just a wild guess
[15:11]  * alvin is looking wide-eyed at hist monitor
[15:11] <alvin> aptitude just dumped core
[15:11] <yofel> oh, that
[15:12] <yofel> does it work if you run it with -q ?
[15:12]  * alvin runs aptitude -q update
[15:13] <alvin> Looks like it just hangs now
[15:13] <alvin> Ah no, it continues
[15:13] <yofel> -q is quiet so it might look like it hangs
[15:13] <alvin> Apparently you have had this issue before?
[15:14] <yofel> alvin: bug 515525
[15:14] <alvin> That's the message. Thanks
[15:15] <alvin> O! I think I haver never seen that much duplicates before.
[15:15] <alvin> Launchpad should take a sum from the duplicates too. This bug affects .... people.
[15:15] <yofel> crash bugs tend to get a lot of duplicates
[15:16] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, sounds like the terminal sizing fixes that broke things for me
[15:16] <cwillu_at_work> I've had aptitude pinned for a while now
[15:16] <yofel> yep, it's the terminal sizing
[15:16] <yofel> bad patch
[15:16] <alvin> lol, indeed. If I resize the terminal, it works fine
[15:17]  * alvin is half expecting a 'Milennium Edition' logo on the new cd's
[15:18] <yofel> lol XD
[15:18] <yofel> everyone complains, but ubuntu has always been more stable for me than my old copy of Win98SE
[15:19] <yofel> we're getting off topic though...
[15:20] <alvin> Yes. (To be fair, I do agree that it's more stable than win98/me. But it's certainly not more stable than plain debian.)
[15:21] <yofel> actually I have a fun case here: I tried aptitude-gtk on sid once and wanted to backport it to ubuntu so I merged it, now aptitude-gtk works perfectly fine on sid, but segfaults on start in ubuntu with some critical gtk assertion
[15:22] <yofel> maybe debian doesn't have as strict compiling settings than ubuntu?
[15:24] <sp> yofel: might also be related to Debian still having a slightly older version of both Gtk and Gnome installed
[15:24] <sp> that would explain segfaults with the combination of a critical gtk assertion
[15:24] <sp> just an idea :)
[15:24] <yofel> could be, they fixed a few bugs in aptitude since then, I'll merge it again when I get the time
[15:30] <alvin> Yofel, you seem to know a lot about current bugs. Do you happen to know something about an io_scheduler problem in the kernel (karmic). I hope to see that this problem no longer exists in Lucid.
[15:31] <alvin> I went offline because of it. kvm server runs a quest that has quasselcore. kvm host (karmic) went down. Probably a kernel panic. I can check tonight. The server isn't even under load
[15:33] <yofel> not sure, I don't follow kernel related bugs that much, if you know more details you could search on google with 'site:bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux <search_term>' and see if you find any bug reports that sound like your issue
[15:34] <alvin> I need to reboot the server by hand, and I'm on another location now. Will do tonight if I have the logs.
[15:38] <alvin> Looks like this lucid bug 555067
[15:40] <fabio333> hi there
[15:40] <yofel> alvin: if that's your bug don't forget to make it as affecting you and set the status to confirmed
[15:41] <fabio333> i'm trying plymouth with my old ati igp 345: it works but kms is slower...
[15:41] <fabio333> less acceleration with kernel modesetting on than before...
[15:42] <alvin> yofel: the messages and symptoms are the same, but it is on karmic. They also match bug 262843 (Jaunty)
[15:42] <yofel> fabio333: you could try disabling KMS by adding 'nomodeset' or 'radeon.modeset=0' to the kernel grub line
[15:43] <yofel> and see if it works better then
[15:43] <alvin> Then there's bug 276476. Same symptoms, but 'fixed'
 i know but it supposed to be slower or it's just my old card?
[15:44] <yofel> fabio333: no idea, I don't know much about ati cards, but kms does indeed not work very well with some cards
[15:44] <fabio333> plymouth animation start very late... too
[15:45] <slibuntu> Hey all, anyone know when we can expect lucid beta 2?
[15:45] <Pici> When its done.
[15:46] <kklimonda> slibuntu: you can just download the latest daily image
[15:46] <slibuntu> :)
[15:46] <alvin> Aha, ubuntu-server uses another scheduler (deadline). Can someone confirm this?
[15:46] <SwedeMike> slibuntu: google for lucid release schedule
[15:47] <slibuntu> kklimonda: might just do that then so
[15:47] <jo-erlend> alvin, and the kernel uses PAE.
[15:47] <alvin> That could explain why I'm only seeing these freezes and crashes on the server edition
[15:47] <slibuntu> SwedeMike: It's projected to be released today
[15:47] <jo-erlend> server edition uses selinux by default too, doesn't it?
[15:48] <kklimonda> jo-erlend: no
[15:48] <alvin> jo-erlend: Could PAE be a problem? The servers I'm talking about have 16 à 32 GB ram and are 64bit machines
[15:48] <alvin> no, apparmor
[15:48] <gorgapor> slibuntu, i'm sure you're tired of hearing about this, but any idea what time today beta2 might land?
[15:49] <slibuntu> gorgapor: That's what I logged on to ask, the best answer so far has been, "when it's ready" :)
[15:49] <gorgapor> slibuntu, heh, thanks
[15:51] <gorgapor> !schedule > gorgapor
[15:52] <yofel> the schedule link is in the topic btw...
[16:03]  * alvin is going home and kick his buggy karmic server back into service.
[16:04] <doru_> Hello what's up with Lucid Beta2? When is it going to be released?
[16:04] <Pici> When testing is completed.
[16:12] <POE> when is testing completed then?
[16:14] <BUGa_vacations> POE: when it ready
[16:14] <doru_> Pici: Sorry, let me rephrase please! When Lucid Beta2 is going to be released?
[16:14] <BUGa_vacations> doru_: when its ready
[16:14] <BUGa_vacations> if you guys are in an hurry get a daily
[16:14] <BUGa_vacations> then zsync the beta2
[16:15] <doru_> Do you happen to have a tutorial on how to do that?
[16:16] <BUGa_vacations> $ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[16:16] <Moc> no beta2 yet ?
[16:16] <BUGa_vacations> no
[16:16] <doru_> BUGa_vacations: Uh, that's it?
[16:16] <BUGa_vacations> when you get an email from announce ML
[16:17] <BUGa_vacations> doru_: want me to complicate it for you ?
[16:17] <Moc> alot of small issues in 10.04 b1
[16:18] <doru_> BUGa_vacations: No thanks, I'm making a lot of mess myself.
[16:18] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: B1 is so darn old!
[16:18] <doru_> BUGa_vacations: :)
[16:18] <BUGa_vacations> don't you upgrade daily like the rest of us ?
[16:18] <Moc> does canonical keep package update away until b2 is released ?
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, did I tell you about the long-existing dpkg bug that I tripped over recently?
[16:19] <Pici> Moc: The archives are frozen while changes are made to stabilize the beta cd.
[16:19] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: not canonical! release team, makes a archive freeze for Main packages
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, dpkg uses readdir to go over /var/lib/dpkg/info, moving files from an unpacked package into there if they exist, and deleting them if they don't
[16:20] <Moc> k, because even latest update as of last night didnt resolve most issue
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, however, readdir is allowed to repeat a file entry if the folder is modified while readdir is still being read
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, causing random /var/lib/dpkg/info files to go missing :)
[16:20] <liam> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[16:21] <cwillu_at_work> btrfs triggers it deterministically due to an optimized readdir, other fs's trigger it probabilistically (and extremely rarely)
[16:21] <oKtosiTe> Quick question; will something be done about the terrible state we're in with Karmic's grub2 before Lucid releases?
[16:21] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: have you filed bugs for all of those bugs? what's their current state?
[16:21] <cwillu_at_work> oKtosiTe, can you be more specific?
[16:21] <BUGa_vacations> it has NOTHING to do with releases!
[16:22] <BUGa_vacations> liam: please don't post links
[16:22] <Moc> BUGa_vacations: I filled one at the beta of 8.10 and it still unresolved today..
[16:22] <Moc> so I don't care much to fill them anymore
[16:22] <oKtosiTe> Well, I've previously set my non-linux OS as the default boot option, and after upgrading the kernel, I'm back with Ubuntu being the default.
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, if you haven't filed bugs, and kept up with them, don't be surprised if they don't get fixed
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> oKtosiTe, how did you set it?
[16:22] <oKtosiTe> cwillu_at_work ^^
[16:22] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: then don't complain!
[16:22] <liam> BUGa_vacations, sorry
[16:22] <BUGa_vacations> if you don't file, we can't fix them
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> oKtosiTe, it sounds ilke you just modified /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:23] <Moc> BUGa_vacations: you missed the first part... I did back then, but it didn't help..
[16:23] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, link or it didn't happen
[16:23] <BUGa_vacations> oKtosiTe: don't change grub.cfg by hand! use the /etc/defaults/ dir
[16:23] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: I say you filed ONE bug, no bug ID we can check up
[16:23] <BUGa_vacations> I file dozens weekly
[16:24] <oKtosiTe> cwillu_at_work, it was a while ago... believe I changed the generating script, so it may as well have been after a grub update. Sorry for being so vague, I'm currently not on Linux.
[16:24] <BUGa_vacations> over 50% of those are triaged over 2 weeks
[16:24] <Moc> hold on, need to find the bug tracker
[16:24] <BUGa_vacations> but I still have bugs from 6.06 open :)
[16:24] <Moc> and my loggin
[16:24] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: even if I wanna help, I won't look up on 8.10 bugs now... its close to EOL too
[16:24] <liam>  i found what seems to be the beta 2 looks live but it could be a daily build
[16:25] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: please search for those bugs you have in CURRENT lucid, or file new ones if they don't existe
[16:25] <Pici> liam: Thats why we have release announcements.
[16:25] <cwillu_at_work> oKtosiTe, so we're just taking it on faith that karmic's grub is in horrible condition, despite it working on all my systems running weird root filesystems and such? :)
[16:25] <BUGa_vacations> liam: again, until oficial email, we won't promote it
[16:25] <BUGa_vacations> if you are in an hurry, liam get a daily, then zsync the beta2, or any other daily
[16:26]  * cwillu_at_work thinks BUGa_vacations is ignoring him :(
[16:26] <BUGa_vacations> cwillu stuff works best on weird stuff then normal deploys, don't you know ?
[16:26]  * BUGa_vacations pokes cwillu with a 20" pole
[16:26]  * oKtosiTe sees it's "act like a twat day" in Ubuntu land.
[16:26] <BUGa_vacations> oKtosiTe: its release day. we all go into auto
[16:27] <oKtosiTe> BUGa_vacations, is it really? Sorry 'bout that.
[16:27] <BUGa_vacations> oKtosiTe: stick around and try to count how many "is it out yet" you get over 10 min
[16:27] <oKtosiTe> I had no idea.
[16:27] <Moc> I filed the bug for the beta of 9.04, id 363363
[16:27] <Ascavasaion> What is the small commandline utility to create samba shares?  It opens a small Gnome application just for shares in samba
[16:27] <oKtosiTe> In that case I'll leave you to it and just try for myself after it's out. :-)
[16:27] <cwillu_at_work> !bug #363363
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, you have that set currently?
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, if so, can you check if right-alt works with alt-shortcuts?
[16:28] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: I switched to alt-shift like in windows now
[16:29] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, can you set it back to the other way to check that?
[16:29] <BUGa_vacations> Ascavasaion: smb-client?
[16:29] <Moc> sure, what is alt-shortcuts ?
[16:29] <BUGa_vacations> oKtosiTe: all help is appreciated
[16:29] <BUGa_vacations> specially for installs
[16:29] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, like a keyboard shortcut that uses alt
[16:29] <cwillu_at_work> alt-tab, etc
[16:29] <BUGa_vacations> if you are willing to help out, over the usual nagging of new users, please visit #ubuntu-testing
[16:29] <BUGa_vacations> oKtosiTe: ^^^^^^^
[16:30] <oKtosiTe> BUGa_vacations, will have a look.
[16:30] <BUGa_vacations> thanks
[16:30]  * BUGa_vacations goes kill more blinking lights on other tabs
[16:30] <Moc> alt-tab using the right ALT doesn't work
[16:30] <Ascavasaion> BUGa_vacations: No... it is something like share-smb or something.
[16:30] <BUGa_vacations> Ascavasaion: doesn't ring a bell
[16:30] <BUGa_vacations> then again I only use ssh and sshfs
[16:31] <Moc> with or without the both alt to switch language set
[16:31] <plitter> is the beta 2 out yet?
[16:31] <Ascavasaion> BUGa_vacations: I remembered it I think... shares-admin
[16:31] <BUGa_vacations> plitter: /topic
[16:31] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, with
[16:31] <BUGa_vacations> cwillu that's a 9.04 bug... let it go
[16:31] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, I tripped over it yesterday
[16:31] <BUGa_vacations> focus on 10.x
[16:31] <cwillu_at_work> or something that seems similar
[16:31] <BUGa_vacations> what? the locale?
[16:31] <Moc> BUGa_vacations: it a 8.10,9.04,9.10 and 10.04 b1 bug
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> I couldn't turn _off_ both alt-keys, and it broke the right alt-key
[16:32] <BUGa_vacations> aahhh
[16:32] <BUGa_vacations> ok
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> and then like magic it started working properly
[16:32] <BUGa_vacations> please update such bug with lucid packages
[16:32] <plitter> BUGa_vacations: it is supposed to be released today
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> so if it's a long-standing glitch, I'd like to know thankyouverymuch :p
[16:32] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: apport-collect 363363
[16:32] <BUGa_vacations> plitter: so?
[16:32] <BUGa_vacations> plitter: did you get an email from announce mailinglist?
[16:33] <BUGa_vacations> cause I didn't, so its not out yet
[16:33] <plitter> BUGa_vacations: it is in the release schedule
[16:33] <BUGa_vacations> are you in an hurry to try ?
[16:33] <plitter> yes:D
[16:33] <BUGa_vacations> get a daily
[16:33] <BUGa_vacations> !daily | plitter
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> plitter, so, come back tomorrow when the end of today is certainly over and done with :p
[16:33] <BUGa_vacations> you can't then zsync to beta2 or any other iso
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> "you have until sunset on april 8th to deliver, or the penguin gets it"
[16:34] <plitter> awww..... doesnt seem like i have a choice though....
[16:34] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: Another bigger issues in 10.04 is the Fn key on my dell notebook doesn't work anymore
[16:35] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: it work for the regular numpad stuff, but for switching the screen mode, or showing the battery status, it doesn't work
[16:35] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, sounds like there's just no key binding for some of those keystrokes
[16:35] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, presumably you've filed a bug? :D
[16:35] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: nope
[16:36] <Moc> I got about 18 issues like this in my local list
[16:36] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, so you really should have 18 bugs filed.  Waiting for them to get fixed magically is a good way to make sure at least some of them get neglected
[16:36] <Moc> like alt-shift-tab isn't set by default
[16:36] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: known bug
[16:36] <BUGa_vacations> I filled that one
[16:37] <BUGa_vacations> conflit with compiz defaults
[16:37] <Moc> firefox have no default browser set
[16:37] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, your alt bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/251443
[16:37] <BUGa_vacations> Moc: ???? what?
[16:38] <Moc> lol sorry, thunderbird have no browser set for link
[16:38] <BUGa_vacations> what's the bug id for that?
[16:38] <BUGa_vacations> don't use TB so can't confirm
[16:38] <BUGa_vacations> I'll ask gnomegfreak if I see him
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, generally, the first thing you should doo on finding a bug is to see if it's already reported on launchpad.  If it is, see if it's blocked waiting for some information or work that you can provide
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> if you can't find a bug, it's _very_ important to file one
[16:41] <BUGa_vacations> cwillu don't you love when ppl assume, they don't need to file bugs, cause someone else will, and it ends up never reaching the devs?
[16:41] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, only when they're not using a released operating system :)
[16:41] <cwillu_at_work> "beta" is not "cool and exciting", and alpha is not "cooler and more exciting!"
[16:42] <BUGa_vacations> !?
[16:42] <cwillu_at_work> beta is "broken in known ways" and alpha "known to be broken in unknown ways"
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> _dbus_connection_lock (connection=0x5f004e004f005a) at dbus-connection.c:355
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> there!
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> made chromium chrash
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> without even touching it
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> WOOT
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> No symbol table info available.
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> that'll teach you to not install the -dbg libs
[16:44] <BUGa_vacations> http://paste.ubuntu.com/411108/
[16:44] <BUGa_vacations> dude I already have all the dbg there are in servers
[16:44] <BUGa_vacations> see anything there?
[16:44] <QueenZ> no
[16:45] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: I know it would be the best thing to do, but there is soo many open bugs, it hard to even find one that isn't the same
[16:45] <BUGa_vacations> $ dpkg -S libdbus-glib
[16:45] <BUGa_vacations> is HUGE
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, your google-fu is weak :)
[16:45] <QueenZ> is beta 2 out yet?
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> QueenZ, no
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> QueenZ, if you have to ask, it's not out yet
[16:45] <QueenZ> will it be out today?
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> QueenZ, now that you asked, it's been postponed yet another day
[16:46] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: hehe, I'm native french speaking, so my english search doesn't always match other people english
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> at this point, it'll be out 3 weeks after 10.04 final is released :p
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, fair enough
[16:46] <QueenZ> h[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, searching for the specific terms involved will usually get things down to a couple dozen bugs
[16:47] <Moc> so atless I got my internal bug list ;)
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, the people who fix bugs can't see your internal bug list
[16:47] <Moc> I got one what very annoying, sometime clicking at the window border make the window under it get selected instead
[16:47] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: true ..
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> and listing them in here doesn't count as filing them
[16:48] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: darn !
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, file the alt-shift-tab one, I didn't see that filed yet
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> I'll try to help sort through it a bit :p
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, can't say I've ever seen that
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> (clicking on the window selects the window under it)
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, are you sure you're not just missing the window by one pixel?
[16:49] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: i don't
[16:49] <Moc> it occur too often
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> or clicking on a shadow.
[16:49] <Moc> btw, I don't use xgl stuff
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, define xgl
[16:49] <Moc> compiz or whatever it called today
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, xgl hasn't been in use in years
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> I find that often windows have children/dialogs are poping up UNDER the parent window a lot for me
[16:50] <cwillu_at_work> Dr_Willis, sounds like you've got focus stealing prevention set very high
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> cwillu_at_work:  it may be. but i dont recall setting it that way.
[16:51] <Moc> got the terminal display freezing bug too... I think I was suposed to update it
[16:51] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, so, metacity then?  can you check gconf-editor -> apps | metacity | general | compositing_manager is on or off?
[16:51] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, also, are you using focus follows mouse or anything like that?
[16:52] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: it off
[16:52] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: the rest is default ubuntu.  I try to stick to the default setting as much as possible
[16:52] <Moc> I hate changing my desktop everytime I install
[16:53] <Ascavasaion> I cannot get my Windows 98 or my Windows XP machines to connect to my Ubuntu Samba share.  I have created an exception rule to allow Samba connections,but nothing.  Please somebody help!
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, and it worked in karmic?
[16:53] <Moc> Ascavasaion: better ask in samba or in general ubuntu maybe
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> cwillu: Yes, it worked in 9.1
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> Okay
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> (9.10)
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> there's no such thing as ubuntu 9.1 :p
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> Yes, 9.10
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> hehe
[16:54] <Pici> If it worked in 9.10 and doesn't work in 10.04, then #ubuntu will not support it, please continue to use this channel.
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> identical config?
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: No idea... doubt it,
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, can you pastebin your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, is this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> and what are you using to configure smb.conf?
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> also, are you attempting to connect via ip or hostname?
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> I have added the share via Nautilus and via shares-admin and neither shows anything in smb/conf
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> smb.conf
[16:56] <Ascavasaion> cwillu: IP, hostname never works in my opinion.
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> make a samba password for theusers via 'sudo smbpasswd -a username' perhaps?
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, hostname works perfectly fine if you know how to configure it :p
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, can you browser via the smb command line tools?
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, smbclient et al
[16:57] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: Okay... not in my opinion... in my experience hehe
[16:58] <cwillu_at_work> do the windows machines show the server at all? if so, do they list the shares?
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> can they access the server via ip also..   //###.###.###.###/share
[16:58] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: They show the machines, but when you try to see the shares they do not work.  The Windows machines can see one another though.  Which leads me to think the problem is on the Ubuntu machine.,
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411115/
[16:59] <Filthpig> ahoy. When will the Beta2 iso be available?
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> can the ubuntu machine see its own shares. :)   also check output of 'smbtree' and 'findsmb'
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> /IP/share does not work.
[16:59] <Filthpig> it should arrive today, shouldn't it?
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> !release
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[17:00] <Moc> I wish launchpad was faster
[17:00] <Filthpig> yes, and the schedule says today. I'm wondering -when- today
[17:00] <Moc> Filthpig: when they think it ready
[17:01] <Moc> flash 64bit not been proposed is a bug or not ?
[17:01] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: And no... ubuntu machine cannot see share when I use smb://IP.sharename
[17:01] <Ascavasaion> oops
[17:01] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, flash 64bit is an development snapshot with no security updates or support of any kind from adobe
[17:01] <Ascavasaion> smb://IP/sharename
[17:01] <cwillu_at_work> ip/share
[17:01] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: work better than the 32bits version
[17:01] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, and is utterly unsupported
[17:02] <BUGa_vacations> cwillu love that... will start increasing the release counter everytime some one asks :)
[17:02] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: better than unsupported but working very well, than no flash at ll
[17:02] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: Nope... doe snot work with smb://IP/sharename
[17:02] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, the alternative isn't no flash at all, it's the use of a plugin-wrapper that we can at least provide security updates for
[17:02] <Moc> I know how to download it and install it, but not 90% of the planet ubuntu trying to target
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> samba does have some log files taht may give a clue
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, what Dr_Willis said.  :p
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, also, might want to verify that samba is actually running
[17:03] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: well when I tried to install flash on my 64bit install, it didn't work, I had to dl the 64bit version and install it manually
[17:03] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: I did a sudo service smbd restart and it gave no error.
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, how did you try to install it the first time?
[17:03] <Moc> same issue for acrobat reader
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, ugh, acrobat reader is junk
[17:03] <Moc> ubuntu software center I think
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, hmm, that should have worked
[17:04] <Moc> there the canonical partner thing
[17:04] <Moc> Sorry, 'Adobe Flash Plugin 10' is not available for this type of computer (amd64).
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> but that said, we can't support a proprietary 64-bit binary
[17:04] <Berzerker> just trying to get confirmation
[17:04] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: that what it said when I press more info
[17:04] <Berzerker> If I replace my motherboard, will I have to reinstall ubuntu? (I have it on a RAID 0)
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> and if adobe also doesn't support it, we're not going to say that it's supported
[17:05] <kklimonda> Moc: there is a flashplugin-installer in multiverse
[17:05] <Moc> Berzerker: if the raid info is still valid, and your bios is set correctly, and it the same architecture, nope
[17:05] <kklimonda> Moc: we can't redistribute x64 version of flash plugin
[17:05] <Berzerker> Moc: I created it through linux, it's software raid
[17:05] <Moc> Berzerker: it should work if the controler is supported by linux
[17:06] <Moc> Berzerker: but you never really know until you try it
[17:06] <Berzerker> it's the same controller, Intel ICH10R
[17:06] <trrichard> Hey, I haven't been able to download the WMA codec from the repo through rhythmbox with restricted-extras enabled, is this a common problem?
[17:06] <Berzerker> I just needed a new motherboard
[17:06] <Moc> This software is available from the 'lucid-partner' source, which you are not currently using.
[17:06] <Moc> that a kinda stupid error msg
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> I did a sudo testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf and it gave...
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> rlimit_max: rlimit_max (1024) below minimum Windows limit (16384)
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> Processing section "[printers]"
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> Processing section "[print$]"
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> Loaded services file OK.
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> Should it be a stand alone server?
[17:07] <Moc> especially that partner repo is selected
[17:07] <Berzerker> Moc: so you think it'll be fine?
[17:08] <pionar> billybigrigger, you there?
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, nautilus shares are defined in /var/lib/samba/usershares
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> Ascavasaion, you'll want to see if those are there, and are showing up in the log files
[17:08] <Moc> Berzerker: should be, make sure the same boot disk is selected
[17:09] <Berzerker> Moc: alright, thanks
[17:09] <trrichard> Hey, I haven't been able to download the WMA codec from the repo through rhythmbox with restricted-extras enabled, is this a common problem?
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> cwillu_at_work: they are there... #VERSION 2
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> path=/media/ntfs/joel/music
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> comment=
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> usershare_acl=S-1-1-0:F
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> guest_ok=y
[17:11] <Ascavasaion> cwillu: Do you think it might be because the folder I want to share is not in my home folder?
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> the term 'wma codec' isent correct.. a wma file can be using any of several dozen if not hundered codecs
[17:13] <Moc> Can't we get the List of Affected bugs we have set ?
[17:13] <Moc> on launchpad
[17:13] <Ascavasaion> I give up for now... supper time... I will be back later to try again :)  Thank you cwillu_at_work
[17:13] <Filthpig> I dunno if this question is valid in here, but will it boost performance on low-memory computers to use i.e. an USB2.0 flash device as swap instead of lets say an old 5400 rpm HDD?
[17:14] <Moc> Filthpig: flash drive are extramly slow normally
[17:14] <skrite99> is the new plugins for rhythmbox going to be portable? the one for the Ubuntu One music store, or the interface with the iphone? i have a debian box that i would like to put them on
[17:14] <Moc> 5400 rpm hd will beat most flash drive in performance
[17:14] <DanaG> Only expensive flash drives are fast.
[17:14] <DanaG> ... especially when it comes to writes.
[17:15] <Filthpig> Moc, if you use i.e. a class 6 SDHC card too?
[17:15] <Moc> Filthpig: that not a flash drive
[17:15] <Filthpig> Moc, can still be used as one, can't it?
[17:16] <beer> where can I find ubuntu 10.04 beta 2?
[17:16] <Moc> Filthpig: also, swap on any flash drive isn't a good idea, it will kill it pretty quickly
[17:16]  * cwillu_at_work giggles, but doesn't really feel up to explaining the subtle flaws which make the previous few answers slightly incorrect
[17:16] <robin0800> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> Filthpig:  i think swap on a hd would still be faster.
[17:16] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: I don't even want to go in details
[17:17] <DanaG> sdhc IS flash... it's just not a "USB" flash drive.
[17:17] <cwillu_at_work> Filthpig, it's possible to get improved performance, but it's quite complicated to get right, and depends very much on the internals of the flash controller that's in use
[17:18] <Moc> Also SDHC class 6 = only 6MB/sec... very slow for swap(everything is slow for swap, but this is praticulary slow ;)
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> Filthpig, you'll get a better end result if you take the 40 hours you'll spend on it working at mcdonalds, and using that money to buy a small intel ssd drive
[17:19] <Filthpig> cwillu, ok. But it would reduce HDD load and noise though :p
[17:19] <Moc> Filthpig: just disable the swap all together and get more ram
[17:19] <Moc> linux doesn't need swap to work like windows
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, that's not really a good tradeoff
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> and that's just being dumb
[17:20] <Filthpig> Moc, Linux isn't very happy if you don't have swap
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> windows doesn't need swap either, and both will perform better
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> unless you got ooooodles of ram.
[17:20] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: windows does need swap, or it will act weird...
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> ... both will perform better with than without
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, as will linux
[17:20] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: never had issues with linux and no swap
[17:20] <Filthpig> windows has a swap FILE while Linux uses a swap partition
[17:20] <Moc> swap actually will create more problem for me than without
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> Filthpig, irrelevant
[17:21] <Moc> most of the time, when linux need the swap (
[17:21] <Moc> (for me anyway) it because something is wrong, and when it try to work out of 5gig of swap, even SSH is unresponsive and unable to kill the bad process
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> Hibernate/suspend in linux needs a swap partition (i recall)  i dont think a swap file will work.
[17:21] <Filthpig> cwillu it was a reply to "linux doesn't need swap to work like windows" from Moc. A bit late though :p
[17:21] <Moc> when swap off, the kernel will kill it automaticly (just hope it doesn't kill SSH server ;)
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> Dr_Willis, swap file can work, yes
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> swap file can work for hibernate also?
[17:22] <Moc> Dr_Willis: ok maybe hib/suspend need swap, donno about that
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> Swap on , swap off, the swapper.
[17:23] <markl_> i have a machine here that boots the centos 5.4 kernel fine but freezes on the ubuntu lucid kernel; what is the best way to report this?
[17:23] <Moc> I run off a 128gig SSD laptop with 8gig of ram... so swap is off
[17:23] <DanaG> Forget Intel SSD.... the OCZ Vertex ones are often cheaper.
[17:23] <Moc> got a samsung in mine
[17:23] <DanaG> 120 gigs for 300 bucks is just starting to become sane-ish.
[17:23] <ftornell> eta on beta 2?
[17:24] <kklimonda> ftornell: eta is "when it's done"
[17:24] <DanaG> I've had issues trying to resume-from-suspend without swap, with fglrx... it'll sometimes make my laptop just hard-reset.
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[17:24] <Moc> my boot time : http://64.235.217.39/tmp/mochouinard-laptop-lucid-20100406-1.png
[17:24] <ftornell> Dr_Willis: its suppose to be released today right? has it been changed?
[17:24] <Moc> ftornell: will be released when the iso is ready
[17:24] <Moc> impossible to do before
[17:24] <kklimonda> Moc: hmm.. pretty slow
[17:24] <ftornell> ok, they are compiling it as we speak?
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> 'when its done'
[17:25] <Moc> kklimonda: ??
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> everytime someone asks.. they delay it another nr.
[17:25] <ftornell> have been refreshing the webpage all day! :)
[17:25] <Moc> UI showed after 5 second of POST
[17:25] <kklimonda> Moc: it actually doesn't look like the right bootchart
[17:25] <Moc> i find that pretty quick
[17:25] <skrite99> ftornell, so have i
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> back
[17:26] <kklimonda> Moc: your ureadahead doesn't seem to be working right
[17:26] <Moc> issues I got on boot now is when I try to login, it freeze on logout of the login screen because of the power monitor is still running
[17:28] <kklimonda> or rather it looks like it's in profiling mode on this bootchart
[17:28] <Moc> kklimonda: I just did install of bootchart and rebooted
[17:28] <kklimonda> Moc: you have to reboot twice to get the right chart
[17:28] <Moc> ha
[17:29] <Moc> kklimonda: take 51secondes now
[17:29] <kklimonda> Moc: 51 way too much ;)
[17:29] <kklimonda> is*
[17:30] <Moc> it the ksoftirq bugs that take 100% of 1 cpu thing
[17:31] <Filthpig> oh, and while I'm here: I've had some issues with desktopcouch-service going into overdrive and eating 90-100% CPU, especially after suspend on my laptop. Simply killing it fixes the problem, but I wonder what it is and why it starts eating my CPU.
[17:31] <Moc> kklimonda: http://64.235.217.39/tmp/mochouinard-laptop-lucid-20100408-2.png
[17:32] <Tohuw> Is anyone using Evolution on 10.04 Beta with Google Contacts? I am experiencing errors and I want to see if they happen to anyone else.
[17:33] <Moc> Tohuw: I never used evolution.
[17:33] <kklimonda> Moc: well, it does start pretty well ;)
[17:34] <Moc> I'll do auto login and see if iti bette
[17:34] <Moc> rbrb
[17:34] <BUGa_vacations> FUUUU http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=40803
[17:34] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda: 51 too much? what do you say to mine 1:30 ?
[17:35] <BUGa_vacations> Filthpig: Moc: full cpu bug is known
[17:35] <BUGa_vacations> a keyring bug
[17:35] <BUGa_vacations> gwibber and desktop coutch have patchs
[17:35] <kklimonda> BUGa_vacations: you have a really old computer? :P
[17:35] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda: here are mine http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[17:35] <BUGa_vacations> 2yo laptop
[17:36] <kklimonda> BUGa_vacations: also you benchmark using fully blown desktop with dozens of applications starting :P
[17:37] <kklimonda> BUGa_vacations: why are they so small?
[17:37] <kklimonda> w/w 8
[17:37] <BUGa_vacations> click to open?????
[17:38] <kklimonda> still small
[17:38] <Moc> kklimonda: http://64.235.217.39/tmp/mochouinard-laptop-lucid-20100408-3.png
[17:38] <kklimonda> Moc: that's more like it
[17:39] <Korcia> BUGa_vacations: is that your bootchart?
[17:39] <marienz> hmm, perhaps I should make one of those
[17:39] <Moc> kklimonda: hehe was freaking fast to boot
[17:39] <marienz> my ancient system is rather slow at booting
[17:39] <Korcia> I mean, 47.49 with a core2 t8300?
[17:40] <yofel_> while we're at it: http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/
[17:40] <BUGa_vacations> Korcia: those are ALL my bootchart
[17:40] <BUGa_vacations> I have them all since old laptop in 7.04
[17:40] <yofel_> and for some odd reason ureadahead actually worked for the first time in ages on my desktop it seems: http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-desktop-lucid-20100408-5.png
[17:40] <BUGa_vacations> Korcia: best I had was 9.10 alpha2 with 19 sec boot
[17:40] <Moc> yofel_: you need to kill gwebber-service ;)
[17:40] <BUGa_vacations> I miss that time :(
[17:41] <Moc> gwibber-service
[17:41]  * marienz wanders off to reboot twice, once to reprofile ureadahead and once for the actual bootchart
[17:41] <BUGa_vacations> yofel_: I have patch, wait
[17:42] <yofel_> huh? oh no, that's boinc, not gwibber :P
[17:42] <BUGa_vacations> rickspencer3 @travisbhartwell has uploaded a branch to address gwibber from pegging your CPU: lp:~nafai/gwibber/gnomekeyring-fix
[17:42] <Korcia> BUGa_vacations:  well, you should and you can, for sure, boot under 20 seconds.
[17:42] <BUGa_vacations> Korcia: PLEASE tell me how
[17:43] <Korcia> BUGa_vacations: it is too long to explain in a chat I promise I am going to post a message in ubuntu forums how to do it
[17:43] <Korcia> BUGa_vacations: is a desktop or a laptop?
[17:43] <BUGa_vacations> Korcia: fill free to PVT me
[17:43] <BUGa_vacations> laptop
[17:43] <BUGa_vacations> and why haven't I ever heard of your nick before?
[17:43]  * BUGa_vacations greps logs
[17:44] <Korcia> with a laptop you can do all the tweaks you need
[17:44] <tumii> is there some sort of list of the new features of lycid lynx?
[17:44] <BUGa_vacations> tumii: sec
[17:44] <BUGa_vacations> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[17:44] <tumii> ty
[17:45] <JoshuaL> sp, my touchpad works again, no idea why it didnt work before :)
[17:46] <Korcia> BUGa_vacations: the problem is that it must be do it precisely because you need to edit fstab, grub, you need to use tune2fs, sysv-rc-conf and nothing else, I am writing by memory, but I have written out the whole process
[17:47] <An_Ony_Moose> o.O why is the default search engine yahoo by default now?
[17:48] <Filthpig> An_Ony_Moose: they got some kind of deal with yahoo, but they will be reverting back to google before final
[17:48] <Korcia> BUGa_vacations: last week my machine (core quad) was booting in 53 seconds, now it boots in 14 secons
[17:48] <Moc> Filthpig: ??? really ?
[17:48] <BUGa_vacations> An_Ony_Moose: its not! its google _again_
[17:48] <Moc> what happend ?
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> Korcia: your next beer is on me! _if_ mine drops to half
[17:49] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: did you hear any details about that by now?
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> not asking 14 even
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: which ?
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> sorry to many subject
[17:49] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: google/yahoo
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> no
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> yesterday
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> we talked about that
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> you are even worse then me
[17:49] <BUGa_vacations> :D
[17:50] <yofel> yeah, I remeber, but there might have been some news in the meantime, I didn't check the other # much today
[17:50] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, what's taking 8 seconds to modprobe?
[17:50] <BUGa_vacations> nothing to my knowlage
[17:51] <BUGa_vacations> you are asking me???
[17:51] <BUGa_vacations> as if I would know
[17:51] <cwillu_at_work> looking at your bootchart :p
[17:51] <BUGa_vacations> I don't even read my logs :)
[17:51] <BUGa_vacations> I just want it _to work_
[17:52] <BUGa_vacations> its up to you
[17:52] <BUGa_vacations> next beer on me, to who ever drops my boot in half
[17:52] <Moc> Im very happy with my boot time in auto login... but less with the gdm thing
[17:52] <BUGa_vacations> 20 secs. its all I ask!
[17:53] <Moc> the power management that hang on the logout of the login screen is annoyin
[17:53] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, you're not running nvidia are you?
[17:53] <yofel> the oddest thing here is, ureadahead started working today and now by boot has gotten much slower than before, when it was  broken...
[17:53] <BUGa_vacations> yep
[17:54] <Korcia> one of the issues with booting is that Lucid is very conservative, this is logical, with the ext4 parameters. If you have a laptop or a desktop with UPS you can use different parameters than the default one
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, journals aren't just about protecting from power failures :p
[17:57] <Korcia> for example, you can use noatime, barrier=0, writeback, nobh, commit, etc... but this is a very aggressive configuration with you are using a desktop without UPS
[17:57] <Tohuw> BUGa_vacations: to apply the gnome-keyring fix, bzr branch lp:~nafai/gwibber/gnomekeyring-fix and then restart the keyring service?
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> turning off barriers is suicidal
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> and relatime has almost all the benefits of noatime, without breaking 99% of apps that use atimes
[17:58] <alvin> unless you use LVM, in which case they are disabled by default, no?
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> (relatime is the default)
[17:58] <Korcia> is you have UPS or a laptop I do not think it is suicidal
[17:58] <Tohuw> cwillu_at_work: what are the "barriers"?
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, under some configs, you need to disable writeback because barriers aren't pass through
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> "Korcia, journals aren't just about protecting from power failures :p"
[17:58] <Korcia> right, I use LVM
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, in which case writeback is just as suicidal
[17:59] <alvin> I always use LVM. Only thing I know is that I no longer have to disable them in /etc/fstab since karmic. Before that, you had to.
[17:59] <Tohuw> how do you restart the gnome-keyring service? I can't find the name of it.
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> if and only if your particular config doesn't pass barriers down to the lower levels
[18:00] <cwillu_at_work> that sort of aggression is suitable for a laptop which contains literally nothing you don't mind losing
[18:01] <Korcia> cwillu_at_work: I have been working with jaunty with that configuration in ext4, with several power failures, (but I have UPS), and I have never had any problem
[18:02] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, that's a pure fluke.  You're disabling all the safeguards
[18:02] <marienz> probably not surprising but apparently about half of the 30ish seconds this system spends booting it's just ureadahead-ing things in
[18:02] <cwillu_at_work> old data will show up in files, and you're risking actual filesystem corruption of the sort where fsck puts lots of things in lost+found
[18:02] <BUGa_vacations> Tohuw: no. you have to run THOSE services! like $ ./bin/gwibber-service and $ ./bin/gwibber
[18:03] <Korcia> ok, I'm telling you, I promise, that I have had more than 10 power failures (I am working in Madrid and it seems this is normal), and no problem at all, I respect if you do not believe me
[18:03] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, I don't doubt that you haven't experienced problems yet, but I assure you that it's just that you've been lucky so far
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> you _will_ get old data in recently written files on a crash, that's what writeback _does_
[18:04] <Korcia> cwillu_at_work: but why? please tell me
[18:05] <maco> Korcia: because writeback means that it only writes your data as you go to *cache* ie RAM. it doesnt write it to disk until later
[18:05] <maco> Korcia: so if your system crashes after youve made a change but before it gets around to writing to disk, its like those changes didnt happen
[18:05] <caolanm> my /home partition doesn't seem to be available at boot time despite adding bootwait to fstab (the partition is also encrypted)... any ideas?
[18:06] <Korcia> I know but you can tell with commit when you think it is secure
[18:06] <maco> commit?
[18:06] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, nobh is a no-op on ext4
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> and disabling barriers on hardware that isn't designed for it risks actual corruption of the filesystem (not just the file contents)
[18:08] <Korcia> with commit you can fix the interval to sync the data and metadata, well, I will check it this weekend, you can be right and I was just lucky
[18:09] <z0net> anybody using gnome 3?
[18:09] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, the probably is mainly regarding faults which occur while the system is in the process of writing;  this isn't related to commit
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> or rather, this is related to what happens if a fault occurs when the commit is actually happening
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> changing the commit time just moves that point around
[18:11] <CardinalFang> Hi.  In my Gnome notification-area, there's a blank space where some app's icon should be.  How can one find out what is claiming that spot, yet drawing nothing?
[18:11] <avis> there is a release candidate beta for 64 bit linux before they only had an alpha, this looks like progress.  it contains only one file libflashplayer.so and i'm not sure the proper way to install it user wise or system wide.
[18:11] <Korcia> cwillu_at_work: so, whats the point of using ext4 instead of ext3?
[18:11] <jpds> CardinalFang: NetworkManager?
[18:12] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, eh?
[18:12] <cwillu_at_work> all sorts of things, improved performance among others
[18:12] <BUGa_vacations> so. I can't slash my boot time :((((
[18:12] <BUGa_vacations> MUAUAU
[18:12] <CardinalFang> jpds, Well, probably not, as I have a Net Man icon three spots to the right.
[18:12] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, not sure what that has to do with your suicidal rootfs parameters :p
[18:13] <BUGa_vacations> CardinalFang: printscreen?
[18:13] <[diablo]> anyone know the ETA on beta2 images please?
[18:13] <cwillu_at_work> [diablo], less than 24 hours
[18:13] <[diablo]> cwillu_at_work, ok cheers
[18:15] <Korcia> cwillu_at_work: sorry if I explain myself badly, what I mean it's that using ext4 with the defaults ubuntu parameters it does not give you an advantange in performance comparing to ext3, you can see it for example in phoronic
[18:15] <Korcia> phoronix
[18:16] <liam> any word on beta 2?
[18:17] <CardinalFang> BUGa_vacations, all:  Notification area blank spot, marked in red:  http://sandbox.chad.org/notarea-blank-spot.png
[18:17] <LinuxGuy2009> sebsebseb: Do you know if the wallpapers from the contest are gonna be included in Beta2 or maybe not till the RC or final?
[18:17] <BUGa_vacations> liam: again?????
[18:17] <yofel> Korcia: well, I do remember that one bug from jaunty alpha where a simple crash caused you to loose your desktop configuration as the config files had 0 bytes, after that ext4 lost quite a bit of performance to make it more crash resistent by default
[18:17] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: ext4 bug
[18:17] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, phoronix isn't the golden standard of testing :p
[18:17] <Korcia> yes, I remember that
[18:17] <BUGa_vacations> fixed in kernel .30
[18:17] <liam> BUGa_vacations, sorry
[18:20] <CardinalFang> BUGa_vacations, my power-manager-applet disappears, too, though it usually shows up on the end, on right.  It's been wonky for a little while, and I don't think it's the same problem, but I don't want to omit anything.
[18:20] <avis> here is a script that will install 64bit release candidate flash player for 64 bit linux systems  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1506474/relecand-flashinst.sh  it wont be there forever
[18:20] <DanaG> actually, phoronix says the 64-bit hasn't had RC released.
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> people need a script to copy a .so file to their plugins folder?
[18:20] <DanaG> ... it's still alpha.
[18:21] <avis> i believe i read today on the page that had that same filename the script catches, say it was a release candidate
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> running the script is like the smallest possible step easier than just moving the file :)
[18:21] <avis> i've no idea where to move these things :)
[18:21] <avis> the script i did not write
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> avis, ~/.mozilla/plugins
[18:21] <avis> ooh ok :)
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> the system directory is basically just as simple
[18:22] <Korcia> is there a new rc for flashplayer for 64b?? I thought it was just for 32b
[18:22] <cwillu_at_work> do a search for the name of the plugin's .so, and you'll see where it normally goes
[18:22] <cwillu_at_work> Korcia, adobe has a 64bit alpha availabe which they don't support
[18:22] <Korcia> I have that one
[18:22] <avis> launched the script for the first time, the filname matches the one that i read was a release candidate
[18:23] <Korcia> but I have read yesterday that a RC it was just released for 32b
[18:23] <avis> when i clicked on download release candidate it took me to this page http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[18:23] <avis> which has the linux tarball
[18:23] <cwillu_at_work> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[18:25] <cwillu_at_work> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ is the dev blog
[18:25] <avis> cwillu the file the script i posted fetched is also 64-bit it would be interesting to compare them both
[18:25] <cwillu_at_work> avis, no, it wouldn't :p
[18:25] <cwillu_at_work> at best it's the same file, at meh, it'd be the older alpha, and at worst it's a trojan :p
[18:26] <cwillu_at_work> don't make this more complicated than it needs to be :)
[18:26] <cwillu_at_work> you're running an unreleased operating system, you're a big boy:  you can do this :)
[18:26] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: cwillu: are you sited down? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/969355
[18:26] <liam> haha
[18:26]  * cwillu_at_work sits and clicks
[18:26] <avis> the file matches, it was the adobe site, i assume they had some confusion when they put both pages up
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, um
[18:27] <yofel> rofl
[18:27] <BUGa_vacations> ahahaah
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, you looked at the date on that, right?
[18:27] <zekoZeko> hmm... I'd like a writable /proc/cpuinfo too. And a great 3D printer to make me a new CPU based on what I write to that file :)
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> sounds like an april fools joke t me. :)
[18:27] <BUGa_vacations> stupid cwillu
[18:27] <BUGa_vacations> no you took all the fun
[18:28] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[18:28] <BUGa_vacations> *now
[18:28] <yofel> still a nice choice for a joke, heh
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> ive seen people try to similer things....
[18:29]  * Dr_Willis recalls years ago - someone in a local store mad because he bought some CD-burning software.. and dident realize he ndded an actual cd BURNER.. and burnable disks...
[18:29] <cwillu_at_work> I bought a game card when I was a kid, thinking that I could just twist the mhz dial on it to speed up my computer
[18:29]  * Dr_Willis hit cwillu_at_work  turbo button.
[18:30] <cwillu_at_work> Dr_Willis, those actually did somethign though! :p
[18:30] <BUGa_vacations> and crashed
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> cwillu_at_work:  if yours read '66' you could turn it upside down and make people think your pc was running at 99mhz!
[18:30] <cwillu_at_work> Dr_Willis, or you could just change the jumpers and make it read anything you want :p
[18:33] <BUGa_vacations> cwillu I'm being told to read the rest of the tread... try it!
[18:33] <DanaG> "If you are looking for the 64-bit  Flash Player 10 prerelease for Linux, the latest alpha refresh is  available for download."
[18:33] <DanaG> adobe, you fail.
[18:33] <cwillu_at_work> BUGa_vacations, try which?
[18:34] <cwillu_at_work> only saw three posts in that thread
[18:34]  * cwillu_at_work starts cross-compiling firefox... again...
[18:36] <LinuxGuy2009> flash is a necessary evil. I wish they would come up with some open standard replacement.
[18:36] <avis> do any of you who are non-games have any issues with only have directx 9.0 support on a video card ?
[18:36] <avis> non-gamers
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> what other then games use directx anyway? guess some video players/tools could.
[18:36] <LinuxGuy2009> directx has nothing to do with linux
[18:37] <charlie-tca> LinuxGuy2009: that's what I was thinking too
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> avis:  or are you refering to video cards that have dx9 suport and not dx10 support? in hardware
[18:37] <charlie-tca> avis: what has that got to do with lucid?
[18:37] <edgy> Hi, when I dist-upgrade I get this error: Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
[18:37] <edgy> You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
[18:37] <edgy> this is what you want to do.
[18:37] <edgy>   sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin ia32-sun-java6-bin sun-java6-fonts sun-java6-demo
[18:37] <LinuxGuy2009> Looking at DX capabilities, those are only relevant for a Windows OS.
[18:38] <avis> Dr_Willis, yes, if i may ask.  i know #ubuntu is not a #ubuntu+1 support channel
[18:38] <LinuxGuy2009> Linux uses mostly OpenGL I believe.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> edgy: Those are no longer valid
[18:38] <yofel> edgy: run apt-get update again, and if that gives a gpg error make sure it's the righ tkey and add it
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> avis:  for non games.. i doubt if its an issue at all
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> avis:  theres DX11 cards comming out now. :)
[18:38] <yofel> charlie-tca: they sure are in the partner repos
[18:39] <jMyles> Am I right in noticing that gwibber in lucid doesn't recognize hash tags?  Is this a problem of gwibber in general?
[18:39]  * charlie-tca goes back to hiding
[18:39] <LinuxGuy2009> avis: Do you run Windows?
[18:39] <avis> my father let me use his windows box for itunes
[18:40] <LinuxGuy2009> avis: Unless you have an iPod touch 2Gen or 3Gen or iPhone of the same Gens, I think most iPods are supported in Linux now in case you didnt know.
[18:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Actually I think they are supported now with newer libraries.
[18:41] <Dr_Willis> gee i wonder when apple will break that.. :)
[18:42] <LinuxGuy2009> hehe yep
[18:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Well it will only break if you plug into Windows box with iTunes and apply a new firmware update.
[18:43] <edgy> charlie-tca,yofel: I just did update and I get this error W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com lucid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>, how am I supposed to handle it?
[18:44] <avis> LinuxGuy2009, i made no reference to a mp3 device.
[18:45] <edgy> charlie-tca, yofel: I even did clean and and still the errors persist
[18:45] <LinuxGuy2009> avis: I was just pointing it out cause you mentioned using iTunes.
[18:45] <LinuxGuy2009> avis: iTunes is serious bloatware too. Like 90+MB download now.
[18:46] <yofel> edgy: that has nothing to do with the apt cache/DB, but with the trusted archives signatures DB, I'm trying to find out what key it has here
[18:46] <avis> oh i know it is, i usually only use it for things i can't get anywhere else
[18:47] <edgy> yofel: yes, please do and tell me how to fix it
[18:48] <sebsebseb> LinuxGuy2009: Itunes sucks, but plays it's role in  the commercial software vender lock in. That most Windows users suffer badly from.
[18:49] <LinuxGuy2009> Oh I know. I have an iPod Video 30GB but havent touched iTunes in like forever now.
[18:50] <avis> ooh ok.  i actually like those nanos.  as awful it is with directory structure, i actually like nanos
[18:50] <avis> LinuxGuy2009, may i PM you a sec ?
[18:51] <LinuxGuy2009> avis: Sure
[18:51] <EagleScreen> boot splash in Ubuntu lucid appears very late, have you also seen this?
[18:51] <kklimonda> EagleScreen: that's a design decision
[18:51] <LinuxGuy2009> EagleScreen: You mean the screen with the loading dots or the login screen?
[18:51] <EagleScreen> o_O
[18:52] <ftornell> has beta2 been delayed or is it still aimed for today?
[18:52] <EagleScreen> i mean the plymouth splash
[18:52] <charlie-tca> ftornell: today
[18:52] <ftornell> charlie-tca: wich time? its 8pm in sweden! :)
[18:53] <kklimonda> EagleScreen: for the workaround and a discussion see bug 540801
[18:53] <charlie-tca> before midnight UTC normally
[18:53] <ftornell> k
[18:53] <charlie-tca> It is almost 18:00 UTC
[18:53] <yofel> edgy: can you pastebin your output of 'sudo apt-key list'?
[18:54] <ftornell> is it the same to do a apt-get dist-upgrade from beta 1 as a complete reinstallation of beta2?
[18:55] <kklimonda> ftornell: more or less - you keep all the packages you had installed
[18:55] <charlie-tca> ftornell: You could just do the daily updates, and have it up to date. Beta1 and Beta2 are simply the daily updates on an image that date
[18:56] <kklimonda> they are just updated
[18:56] <ftornell> ok, thx
[18:56] <Tohuw> is anyone using Google Contact syncing with Evolution? I'm having an issue with non-editable contacts and I need to see if someone can dupe it.
[18:56] <ftornell> beta2 or rc to the final version then?
[18:56] <EagleScreen> yes ftornell
[18:57] <edgy> yofel: http://pastebin.com/yx56p9iB
[18:57] <EagleScreen> you can update from any alpha, beta, RC, or previous release
[18:57] <ssx3max> ftornell: When you passed to the 10.04, you need only 1 dist-upgrade (9.10->10.04) or just a reinstall
[18:57] <ftornell> ok, thx
[18:58] <ssx3max> Then, when you have the 10.04 (alpha, beta, whatever), just do apt-get upgrade :)
[18:58] <Tohuw> if updating from Alpha 2 make sure you hand-update libmysql! See the patch notes on the download page
[18:58] <yofel> edgy: seems right, can you pastebin the output of 'sudo apt-key adv --fingerprint' too?
[19:00] <ftornell> sweet
[19:00] <ftornell> im used to archlinux (rolling releases)
[19:01] <edgy> yofel: http://pastebin.com/3bL7HMXg
[19:01] <ftornell> converting to ubuntu 10.04
[19:02] <yofel> edgy: ok, you do have the proper key, maybe your connection was hijacked/corrupted so apt-get update didn't recieve a proper server key
[19:03] <LinuxGuy2009> lol @ hijacked
[19:03] <BUGa_vacations> bye guys. see you tomorrow. good release
[19:04] <marienz> can someone guesstimate how much temporary free space you'd need for an upgrade from karmic to lucid? Or does the upgrader know and check?
[19:04] <yofel> well, we have gpg to protect against connection hijacking, so that the packages we recieve actuall do come from the ubuntu servers :P
[19:04] <yofel> *actually
[19:05] <yofel> marienz: update-manager should check, but for the default installation 1-2GB free space on /var should be enough
[19:05] <edgy> yofel: i tried this from different connections and still same problem !
[19:05] <marienz> thanks, that's the kind of guesstimate I was looking for
[19:05] <alvin> marienz: The upgrader knows
[19:07] <yofel> edgy: well, you can try to run 'sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5' but I make no guarantees on what will happen
[19:07] <hhlp> anyone now if ubuntu beta2 is release today
[19:08] <yofel> hhlp: today yes, but that's as precise as we can get
[19:08] <hhlp> thxs
[19:09] <edgy> yofel: I tried the solution mentioned here and it works http://en.newinstance.it/2009/06/22/the-following-signatures-were-invalid-badsig-40976eaf437d05b5-ubuntu-archive-automatic-signing-key/
[19:10] <yofel> corrupted package list, huh..
[19:10]  * marienz wonders what's up with the ppa build queue all of a sudden
[19:10]  * yofel checks
[19:10] <marienz> "16471 jobs (seven days) "
[19:11] <yofel> lol
[19:12] <edgy> yofel: but if the package list is corrupted why apt-get clean won't clean it?
[19:13] <yofel> apt-get clean will only delete the downloaded .deb files, the package database (what the lists are a part from) is never deleted
[19:13] <yofel> and it should never be corrupted too, you have a serious bug somewhere if that happens
[19:15] <marienz> I'd expect "apt-get update" to refresh it
[19:16] <yofel> me too, but that didn't help him for some reason
[19:17] <LinuxGuy2009> apt-get clean - cleans out the package cache.
[19:17] <LinuxGuy2009> What are you trying to do?
[19:18] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: his package list files got corrupted somehow
[19:19] <yofel> he fixed it alreay by removing them
[19:20] <LinuxGuy2009> Ah
[19:20] <LinuxGuy2009> Well "apt-get clean" will not solve that
[19:21] <yofel> meh, you can see the ubuntu build queue, but I can't find the ppa build queue
[19:21] <yofel> maybe they're using them for a archive rebuild test again
[19:21] <LinuxGuy2009> maybe "apt-get update"
[19:22] <ftornell_> is it safe and possible to upgrade 9.10 to 10.04 beta2? update-manager -d or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:22] <PolitikerNEU> ftornell_: yeah, the former is better
[19:22] <ftornell_> PolitikerNEU, update-manager -d?
[19:23] <PolitikerNEU> yeah
[19:23] <PolitikerNEU> with sudo
[19:23] <ftornell_> PolitikerNEU, thx
[19:23] <PolitikerNEU> (if it works)
[19:23] <yofel> ftornell_: possible yes, safe... well, not 100%, but it u-m -d should work
[19:23] <ftornell_> thx
[19:24] <PolitikerNEU> well - fglrx isn
[19:24] <PolitikerNEU> 't really stable atm
[19:24] <PolitikerNEU> and plymouth is extremly ugly, but the rest works ok IMHO
[19:25] <sebsebseb> PolitikerNEU: there are a few Plymouth themes in the repo :)
[19:25] <yofel> ugly?
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> really low resolution - maybe 640x480 or so
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> and 16 colors, maybe some more
[19:26] <yofel> I have nvidia with 1600x1200x32 plymouth after setting framebuffers up
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> For me it neither works with nvidia nor fglrx-drivers
[19:26] <yofel> seems to make boot unreliable for some though
[19:27] <PolitikerNEU> Low resolution everywhere
[19:27] <yofel> PolitikerNEU: what did you use? by default it uses 640x480x4 yes
[19:27] <PolitikerNEU> yofel: I use the "default" plymouth theme
[19:28] <eross> is the music store set up yet so I can see prices
[19:28] <yofel> ah, I meant for framebuffers, nvidia and fglrx are ugly by default as they don't have KMS support
[19:28] <PolitikerNEU> ah, ok, that could be
[19:28] <PolitikerNEU> I use the proprietary drivers
[19:29] <yofel> me too, had to set the framebuffer res to get it to look nice
[19:29] <yofel> you have to do that by hand for non-KMS
[19:29] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... is there an easy way to do that?
[19:30] <yofel> well, you need to set 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1600x1200x32' in /etc/default/grub for example (use 'vbeinfo' to find out what modes you can use first or you might not be able to boot at all!)
[19:31] <yofel> it replaces the old 'vga=...' parameter
[19:31] <eross> found it - i can finally update my iphone using linux?
[19:31] <yofel> vbeinfo from the grub console that is
[19:32] <PolitikerNEU> grub> vbeinfo
[19:32] <PolitikerNEU> Error 27: Unrecognized command
[19:32] <PolitikerNEU> :-(
[19:33] <yofel> PolitikerNEU: I meant the grub shell when you boot, make sure the module is loaded with 'insmod vbe' and then run 'vbeinfo'
[19:33] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[19:33] <LinuxGuy2009> eross: The music store shows up in Rhythmbox yes. Prices and all.
[19:33] <yofel> !grub2 | PolitikerNEU
[19:34] <yofel> PolitikerNEU: there's a short explanation there too
[19:34] <PolitikerNEU> yofel: ok, thanks
[19:34] <PolitikerNEU> yofel: I'll try that late
[19:34] <PolitikerNEU> *later
[19:37] <Phantis> nas tardes, alguien me puede echar una mano con samba en lucid beta1?
[19:37] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: hola
[19:37] <Phantis> hola
[19:38] <SiDi> Hi. I just upgraded to lucid and now my brightness keys are broken (HP 6730b laptop). Any idea where to look at?
[19:40] <iamfossy> hi all
[19:40] <LinuxGuy2009> SiDi: File a bug?
[19:40] <iamfossy> hi ppl , why are xfce packages  and mythubuntu themes being included with 10.04 lucid upgrade ?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Did you install the xubuntu or mythbuntu or lubuntu desktops?
[19:41] <iamfossy> nope
[19:41] <iamfossy> none, i unly used 'update-manager -d'
[19:41] <iamfossy> and kept on updating regularly
[19:42] <charlie-tca> And they are installing now?
[19:42] <iamfossy> nope all installed , thunar filemanager, xfce settings, even gdm splash screen shows mythubuntu
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Those are part of mythbuntu
[19:43] <Phantis> hi all, somebody could help me with samba on lucid beta1 in spanish language please?
[19:43] <iamfossy> what are my options now ?
[19:44] <iamfossy> so much data on my ubuntu i do not want a clean format :(
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Remove them ? install ubuntu-desktop ?
[19:45] <iamfossy> you have any idea, how did update manager went wrong ? technically ? if other users have same problem
[19:45] <iamfossy> this would require filing a bug.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> none here. I have never seen that happen
[19:46] <yofel> some wrong package dependency I think, and I think we had some issue with pulling in mythubuntu
[19:46] <iamfossy> i'll try removing those and installing ubuntu packages manually from synaptic
[19:46] <yofel> but I think that was fixed
[19:46] <coz_> iamfossy,  I generally use synaptic  or just terminal for updates  so  I dont know if it has been causing problems
[19:46] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: remove xubuntu-desktop and autoremove the rest will fix you right up on those things.
[19:46] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: Anything else you dont want can be easily removed.
[19:47] <iamfossy> Thanks a bunch !!!!! guys
[19:47] <iamfossy> i'll try that
[19:47] <iamfossy> shall i goto synaptic and do that removal ?
[19:47] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: you can yes
[19:48] <iamfossy> and if gdm crashes after i remove those ?
[19:48] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: if you want to autoremove any dependecies that are no longer needed on the system "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[19:48] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: GDM is a dep of gnome.
[19:49] <iamfossy> just checked from synaptic, none of xubuntu packages installed
[19:49] <Thevor> So was the beta2 released today? :)
[19:49] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: What exactly is installed that you dont want?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> Thevor: will be by midnight UTC
[19:49] <uffo> hello what happened with 10.04 file based swap?
[19:49] <Thevor> charlie-tca: Oh ok cool.
[19:50] <Thevor> charlie-tca: is there anywhere to read up on what will be different? Will it be much different than the beta 1?
[19:50] <iamfossy>  xfce packages  (thunar file manager, xfce settings) and mythubuntu (usplash)themes
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Release notes aren't published yet
[19:50] <Thevor> right.
[19:50] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: so look for thunar and others and remove them. Not hard.
[19:51] <iamfossy> yes not at all , but why on earth did they land up on my upgrade list
[19:52] <Phantis> well, i will try to explain my trouble in english but my english it's very poor sorry
[19:53] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: If you want only default installed packages then you could try something like "sudo dpkg --clear-selections", "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", "sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade". That shoudl get you back to a default installation.
[19:53] <LinuxGuy2009> Or maybe not. I think it would.
[19:54] <LinuxGuy2009> Anyone agree or disagree with that?
[19:55] <iamfossy> deselect-upgrade ?
[19:55] <iamfossy> does this take me back to my 9.10 ?
[19:55] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: nope
[19:56] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: takes you back to default install of currently installed release version.
[19:56] <iamfossy> thanks
[19:57] <LinuxGuy2009> welcome
[19:57] <Phantis> i have installed lucid beta 1 trough update-manager
[19:57] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: ok
[19:57] <Phantis> i have various sylinks in a folder that is shared with using nautilus share
[19:58] <Phantis> sorry
[19:58] <Phantis> i have various sylinks in a folder that is shared with samba using nautilus share
[19:58] <iamfossy> oh man its removing every package on my system :(
[19:58] <mvo_> iamfossy: if you get a bunch of themes and stuff after the upgrade, could you file a bug and attach the logs from /var/log/dist-ugrade/* please?
[19:59] <LinuxGuy2009> iamfossy: Then you missed the "apt-get install gnome-desktop" before the apt-get dselect-upgrade:\
[20:00] <nemo> dpkg-divert: mismatch on package when removing `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so to /usr/lib/fglrx/libdri.so.xlibmesa by fglrx'
[20:00] <nemo> soooo
[20:00] <nemo> any ideas?
[20:00] <nemo> trying to install fglrx
[20:00] <LinuxGuy2009> mvo_: I think it just comes down to someone new and not knowing what they are doing. Not a bug.
[20:02] <iamfossy> yes i'll do that, i did not miss gnome-desktop, u had told ubuntu-desktop i did that
[20:03] <iamfossy> presently its removing all older kernels except current one
[20:04] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Thats because the old kernels are not dependencies of gnome-desktop
[20:04] <iamfossy> gnuplot, google chrome, nexuiz , latex , nvidia all packages gone
[20:04] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Yes.
[20:04] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Default desktop means just that.......default desktop
[20:05] <iamfossy> what about my data
[20:05] <iamfossy> ?
[20:05] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: None of those are part of the default desktop
[20:05] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: Your home directory is not touched
[20:05] <iamfossy> no issues, all good till now i can reinstall all those later
[20:06] <LinuxGuy2009>  iamfossy: K so are you happy now you got your default install?
[20:06] <LinuxGuy2009> Hmm guess so
[20:07] <nemo>   found `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so to /usr/lib/fglrx/libdri.so.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[20:07] <nemo> hm
[20:07] <nemo> xorg-driver-fglrx ??
[20:07]  * nemo tries dpkg-divert --package xorg-driver-fglrx --rename --remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
[20:07] <nemo> that seems to have done the trick
[20:08] <Phantis> can i continue?
[20:09] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Continue what?
[20:09] <Phantis> well, i will try to explain my trouble in english but my english it's very poor sorry
[20:10] <Phantis> i have installed lucid beta 1 trough update-manager
[20:10] <Phantis> i have various sylinks in a folder that is shared with samba using nautilus share
[20:10] <Phantis> i access that shares from a remote videoplayer
[20:11] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Yeah Enrish would be a good idea.
[20:11] <Phantis> enrish?
[20:12] <Phantis> what is the meaning of....?
[20:12] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Engrish 101/
[20:12] <Phantis> sorry but i dont understand
[20:12] <donpdonp> is beta2 out yet?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> donpdonp: will be by midnight UTC
[20:13] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Ok so you have samba shares that you access with a media player and?
[20:13] <donpdonp> ah, less than 5 hours.
[20:13] <Phantis> "symlinks" into shared folder with samba
[20:13] <donpdonp> i was hoping to have a fresh iso for breakfast :)
[20:14] <Phantis> before update i can access that symlinks from the player
[20:14] <Phantis> but now i cant
[20:14] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: Maybe you need to recreate the shares?
[20:14] <Phantis> i have various searches o inet but results no solve trouble
[20:16] <Phantis> shares are ok, only thing that not go on are that symlinks, the share were refreshed then than update
[20:16] <Phantis> i have tried follow symlink 0 yes on global section of smb.conf, but that no solve trouble
[20:17] <Phantis> i have tried follow symlink =0 yes on global section of smb.conf, but that no solve trouble
[20:17] <Phantis> and wide links = yes not solve trouble
[20:17] <Phantis> im now in death point?
[20:18] <Phantis> i dont think how about next step to probe
[20:18] <kklimonda> Phantis: and unix extensions = no ?
[20:18] <Phantis> no, that i haven't tried?
[20:19] <Phantis> i will go to try that now,  then reload not?
[20:20] <LinuxGuy2009> Phantis: then reload not?
[20:20] <Phantis> /etc/init.d/smbd reload
[20:20] <marienz> hey, a beta2
[20:20] <Phantis> thats ok?
[20:21] <marienz> quick, someone update the topic :)
[20:22] <marienz> oh wait, I guess it's not entirely released yet, since the ubuntu.com frontpage still says beta1?
[20:22]  * marienz had cunningly deduced the http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2 url and was reloading that
[20:22] <charlie-tca> It was not released yet. Have patience, it should be released by midnight UTC.
[20:23] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: it was actually
[20:23] <LinuxGuy2009> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[20:23] <LinuxGuy2009> its here
[20:23] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: at this time there would have to be a rm -rf / in boot scripts for them to pull it out ;)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Where were the announcements?
[20:24] <marienz> how does one determine releasedness?
[20:24] <robin0800> LinuxGuy2009: yes and I'm running it right now
[20:24] <LinuxGuy2009> Cool
[20:24] <kklimonda> charli/w 8
[20:24] <kklimonda> ech..
[20:24] <charlie-tca> When the official announcement is made both in IRC and on the mailing list
[20:24] <marienz> I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm effectively already running beta2, since I've been upgrading since some alpha and I don't think any packages I have installed changed at the last minute.
[20:25] <marienz> charlie-tca: on this channel?
[20:25] <LinuxGuy2009> Im downloading the new image now . Doing a fresh install of Beta2.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Here, devel, #ubuntu-release, #ubuntu-testing
[20:25] <robin0800> still got broken pipe messages but everything else seems ok
[20:25] <marienz> thank you :)
[20:26] <marienz> robin0800: from any specific command?
[20:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Why are you guys chatting about official release? Its there already.... download and try it.
[20:26] <marienz> LinuxGuy2009: because we're pedantic, probably :)
[20:26] <charlie-tca> yes, if you are up to date, you already have beta2
[20:26] <jrr> anyone had problems running 10.04 as a guest in virtualbox?  it doesn't seem to want to boot after initial install.
[20:26] <Phantis> ohhh unix extension = no not solve , thaks anyway
[20:27] <charlie-tca> runs fine here
[20:27] <jrr> (ubuntu that is)
[20:27] <Nivex> jrr: I had that problem in one of the alphas but beta1 cleaned it up
[20:27] <lullabud> i tried updating my beta1 from the CLI and it didn't find beta2
[20:27] <kklimonda> lullabud: it's not going to find beta2
[20:27] <marienz> lullabud: just do a regular apt-get update + upgrade (or a regular update-manager run)
[20:27] <kklimonda> lullabud: you just do dist-upgrade and watch for partial upgrades
[20:27] <marienz> lullabud: beta 1 and 2 aren't separate releases, you don't have to do another release upgrade
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Because beta is an image created from the daily. If you update your installation, it is equal
[20:28] <robin0800> marienz: during start up I have seen these messages but not on every boot or reboot
[20:28] <LinuxGuy2009> lullabud: Its just gonna install updated packages, therefore giving you beta2.
[20:28] <Phantis> see u later guys..... thanks.....
[20:28]  * marienz suspects "release" wasn't the right term there
[20:28] <charlie-tca> "release" = "milestone"
[20:29] <Nivex> it's on the front page of ubuntu.com.  I'd say that counts as being "out"
[20:29] <Nivex> :)
[20:29] <marienz> or maybe it was, since the update-manager manpage also uses it
[20:29] <marienz> ah yes, there went the frontpage
[20:29] <marienz> time to upgrade the laptop
[20:30]  * Nivex jigdo's alternate from local mirror, zsyncs desktop
[20:31] <tbic> where is the setting for toolbar icons / text?
[20:31] <iamfossy> hi all
[20:31] <kwtm> Hi.  I see from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ that beta-2 is only in CD form and not DVD form, correct?
[20:31] <DrHalan> im experiencing freezes recently using x. anyone?
[20:32] <marienz> tbic: that *might* not have ui out of the box now (but I'm not 100% sure)
[20:32] <iamfossy> my ubuntu's gone unable to boot after the default desktop option, all kernels are gone
[20:32] <tbic> ok, so does any one know where it is oin gconf?
[20:32] <marienz> tbic: let me try to look it up
[20:33] <lullabud> marienz: oh, well it didn't find those either.  maybe i did it last night in my sleep...
[20:33] <iamfossy> grub's safe only kernel gone, can someone upload all kernels and its image plz
[20:33] <marienz> tbic: it used to be in preferences -> appearance -> interface, but that tab was removed
[20:33] <nemo> Sooo. I accidentally installed grub on the wrong drive
[20:33] <lullabud> oh well, whatever.  i've been keeping up on dist-upgrades anyway.
[20:33] <nemo> not a big deal, I can change boot order
[20:34] <nemo> but. I was wondering, rather than doing commandline setup, can I call that pretty little checkbox tool that showed up during the upgrade?
[20:34] <tbic> marienz: that was where I looked.
[20:34] <nemo> the one I checked off /dev/sdb on in the first place?
[20:34] <iamfossy> hi linuxguy are you there ?
[20:34] <iamfossy> plz plz help
[20:34] <nemo> or is that part of dist upgrade, and not a standard gui tool.
[20:35] <tbic> marienz: is there a gconf setting I can change?
[20:35] <marienz> tbic: /desktop/gnome/interface/ has it, I think. Checking.
[20:36] <marienz> tbic: yeah, /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_style is probably it
[20:36] <marienz> nemo: if it appeared during the upgrade my wild guess would be that dpkg-reconfigure-ing some package would show it again
[20:37] <nemo> it was
[20:37] <nemo> and I just tried that :)
[20:37] <nemo> I assume was using the gtk version
[20:37] <DrHalan> my desktop freezes after some seconds...can anyone help me?
[20:37] <nemo> yep. that's prettier
[20:37] <tbic> marienz: I don't have that key.
[20:37] <nemo> marienz: grub-pc fwiw
[20:37] <iamfossy> can anyone help me ?
[20:37] <marienz> tbic: which tool are you checking with?
[20:37] <marienz> nemo: that sounds right, but I couldn't be bothered to check :P
[20:38] <marienz> iamfossy: I'd boot off some livecd, chroot in and install a kernel
[20:38] <tbic> marienz: gconf-editor
[20:38] <marienz> tbic: weird! it exists here
[20:38] <iamfossy> can u upload some 10.04 kernel plz
[20:38] <marienz> tbic: at what point does that path stop existing?
[20:39] <marienz> iamfossy: I don't understand the question. Those kernels are already in the archive.
[20:39] <tbic> marienz: just toolbar_style does not exist
[20:39] <iamfossy> it required initrd, image and layout all those files right
[20:39] <marienz> iamfossy: you're not going to get very far with just an initrd and image, you need the modules too
[20:40] <marienz> iamfossy: I really think you're better off booting off any livecd, chrooting in, and apt-get installing a linux-image normally
[20:40] <iamfossy> marienz  : yes i need all those, can i get all those files on launchpad ?
[20:40] <iamfossy> yes i'll do that
[20:40] <iamfossy> got it
[20:41] <charlie-tca> kwtm: should be dvd's also
[20:41] <tbic> marienz: I think I got it, i created the key as a key and set it to "icons" thanks
[20:41]  * marienz needs to do some housecleaning to have enough space on the laptop to upgrade
[20:41] <marienz> tbic: weird, it looks as if it's properly in the schema here
[20:41] <iamfossy> does linux-image finish the task or should i specify version number ?
[20:41] <linuxrevolution> what's the kenel version of beta2?
[20:41] <marienz> tbic: if it's not on your end it's possible I gave you the wrong key
[20:42] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Oh?  Please help: where?  I will be travelling with spotty Internet connection, would prefer to have DVD on hand.
[20:42] <marienz> iamfossy: I'd expect linux-image-generic or something like that to suffice, but I'd also expect you to already have a kernel, so who knows
[20:42] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20100406.1/lucid-dvd-i386.iso
[20:42] <charlie-tca> It's the image tested for the beta2 release
[20:42] <iamfossy> i checked from  a love CD no kernels were there
[20:42] <iamfossy> *live
[20:50] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Thanks how do I go to the containing web page to look for the DVD version of Kubuntu?  Is it cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20100406?
[20:51] <kwtm> The Ubuntu beta-2 has 33 seeders and 90 people downloading.  Kubuntu beta-2 has 1 seeder and 2 people downloading.
[20:51] <ZykoticK9> kwtm, which is more popular do you think?
[20:52] <linuxrevolution> what's the version of kernel in beta2?
[20:52] <kwtm> ZykoticK9: I guess, despite Operation Timelord, people still don't trust the KDE team on Ubuntu.
[20:53] <kwtm> Can't say I blame them, but would be nice to have a beta-2 for Kubuntu.  Perhaps cdimage.kubuntu.com/dvd/20100406?  Will check.
[20:53] <ZykoticK9> linuxrevolution, i would "guess" 2.6.32-19
[20:54] <linuxrevolution> ZykoticK9: ok thanks
[20:54] <Myxb> i've installed lucid. couple of question: is there a way to remove the language and email icons from the notification area? they kinda have no use for me there.
[20:54] <marienz> there's a language icon?
[20:55] <ZykoticK9> Myxb, i'm with marienz - i've never seen a language icon -- but to remove the mail (and leave the volume) "sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages"
[20:55] <marienz> and ZykoticK9 just beat me to it, I was looking up that package name
[20:56] <charlie-tca> kwtm: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20100406.1/lucid-dvd-i386.iso
[20:56] <Myxb> the "language icon" is the keyboard layout indication "USA" "RUS" etc. i normally use a more convenient for me kkbswitch and have no need for the system indicator.
[20:57] <marienz> I haven't seen that one at all (I don't know which package provides it)
[20:57] <Myxb> ZykoticK9: thanks for the email tip, will try in right away!
[20:57] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Thank you!  Will try.
[20:57] <linuxrevolution> ubuntu beta 2 came but I have no update!
[20:57] <ZykoticK9> Myxb, wrong person perhaps?  I don't think i send any email tips...
[20:57] <marienz> ZykoticK9: check for something suspicious in /usr/lib/indicator/3/ ?
[20:57] <marienz> ZykoticK9: check for something suspicious in /usr/lib/indicators/3/ even
[20:58] <charlie-tca> linuxrevolution: You already have it lucid installed and updated?
[20:58] <marienz> err, Myxb: ^^^ that was for you
[20:58] <linuxrevolution> charlie-tca: I have lucid but after releasing of beta 2 there is no update at all
[20:58] <marienz> linuxrevolution: normal
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Correct. the updates to it were about two days ago
[20:59] <ZykoticK9> marienz, i don't even have a /usr/lib/lindicator/3 directory
[20:59] <marienz> linuxrevolution: if you updated your beta1 install normally within last couple of days you're already on beta2
[20:59] <marienz> ZykoticK9: I was using the wrong nick, and it's "indicator", not "lindicator" :)
[20:59] <charlie-tca> As long as you keep up to date, you don't need to try to update to alpha and beta releases
[20:59] <marienz> err, "indicators"
[20:59] <ZykoticK9> marienz, yes and yes
[20:59] <linuxrevolution> marienz: ok but some bugs exist without any change!
[21:00] <Sweet> how do I update to beta2 from terminal?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> linuxrevolution: maybe they just haven't been fixed yet
[21:00] <yofel> Sweet: 'do-release-update -d'
[21:00] <marienz> Sweet: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2 mentions this
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, just update as you normally would!
[21:00] <linuxrevolution> charlie-tca: :(
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, from karmic or lucid?
[21:00] <DASPRiD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/542210 | not fixed in beta2 :/
[21:00] <Sweet> lucid
[21:00] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: lucid
[21:00] <marienz> Sweet: that is: if you're updating from an older release. From an older lucid it's just a normal update (apt-get dist-upgrade for example)
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, then just update normally
[21:01] <yofel> !beta | Sweet
[21:01] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: I did, but I didn't get any updates!
[21:01] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: It says System up to date!
[21:02] <ZykoticK9> Sweet, if it's up-to-date with your mirrors (then it's up-to-date) already
[21:02] <linuxrevolution> thanks mates bye
[21:02] <Sweet> ZykoticK9: ok thanks for the info!
[21:02] <busata> has there been any update since beta freeze?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> 6
[21:02] <Sweet> busata: you noob
[21:03] <guntbert> !noob | Sweet
[21:03] <charlie-tca> busata: beta freeze was a week ago. Yes, there were updates since then
[21:04] <Sweet> ubottu: i'm sorry was my co-worker ;)
[21:05] <busata> yea, he's my roommate, not that used to how to behave in irc channels :)
[21:05] <tepelstreeltje> busata: are there any updates since the beta freeze
[21:06] <charlie-tca> beta freeze was a week ago. Yes, there were updates since then
[21:23] <uffo> experts advice needed: what is better for file based swap, is it swapd or swapspace
[21:23] <boourns> ever since upgrading to lucid, whenever i open a new window it seems to be opened under all the open windows, like a "popunder" window as they've been called... how can i fix that?
[21:25] <mfraz74> any idea how to fix the menus in skype? they're dark on dark
[21:25] <bj0rn2> Is it possible to force an upgrade from karmic to lucid beta by running some kind of command in karmic?
[21:26] <boourns> bj0rn2, yes, if i remember correctly its the #1 result when u google for "upgrade to ubuntu lucid"
[21:26] <bj0rn2> oh.. thanks, and sorry
[21:27] <boourns> np, if it were an easy to remember command id just tell ya
[21:28] <mfraz74> i have used it before, can't remember now though
[21:29] <alvin> do-release-upgrade -d
[21:30] <nemo> gpg: requesting key EF8FBB99 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <nemo> gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
[21:30] <nemo> hm
[21:31] <nemo> dig says it is 91.189.89.31/91.189.94.173
[21:31] <nemo> what port is it requesting on, I might be firewalled off
[21:32] <alvin> The line you pasted says HTTP
[21:32] <TommyThaGun> quesion: If I install the Lucid beta, when the final release comes out, will I be able to do a dist upgrade? or will I have to do a reinstall?
[21:33] <guntbert> TommyThaGun: neither - you just keep updating - the you got the final version
[21:34] <TommyThaGun> got it
[21:37] <nemo> alvin: that's a protocol, not a port ;)
[21:39] <alvin> nemo: well, by default it's 80. You may change that, but I don't expect a http fetch script to be created for other ports. That would cause more trouble than it's worth.
[21:41] <nemo> alvin: 80 should be fine. hm. wonder what the problem is then
[21:42] <TommyThaGun> sweet, you can upgrade to 10.4 through the update-manager app
[21:43] <TommyThaGun> I didn't think you could do that
[21:46] <robertzaccour> which button is it for grub menu now?
[21:46] <ZykoticK9> The new install screens look good, very modern.  Firefox icon seems to be missing, just getting a little box.
[21:46] <ZykoticK9> robertzaccour, hold shift
[21:46] <robertzaccour> ZykoticK9, i tried shift, didn't work
[21:46] <robertzaccour> oops
[21:46] <robertzaccour> i meant tab
[21:46] <robertzaccour> i'll try shift thanks
[21:47] <robin0800> robertzaccour: keep trying shift dosn't always work
[21:51] <plitter> is there a way to upgrade from beta 1 to beta 2? or a way to check if u have upgraded?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> plitter: run updates
[21:55] <plitter> i did but nothing new there....
[21:56] <charlie-tca> then you are at beta2
[21:56] <charlie-tca> !beta
[21:56] <holstein> i run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:56] <holstein> and if theres nothing there, im up to date
[21:57] <charlie-tca> correct
[21:57] <charlie-tca> and an up to date lucid installation is already at beta2
[21:57] <ZykoticK9> holstein, in a vm that hadn't been updated in 15 hours there where no new updates
[21:57] <holstein> i think i was expecting some new stuff
[21:58] <holstein> today
[21:58] <holstein> but same thing here
[21:58] <ZykoticK9> holstein, I believe the install appears to be new
[21:58] <Zorael> Lucid fails to put my machine on suspend, freezing completely instead (not reacting to sysrq commands). What can I do to troubleshoot?
[22:00] <plitter> is there a way to check?
[22:02] <charlie-tca> |beta > plitter
[22:05] <DjSylvester> any help online?
[22:06] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: go ahead and ask your question
[22:06] <IdleOne> if someone knows they will probably answer
[22:06] <marienz> I really need to fix things so I can plug my laptop into ethernet again, updating over wireless is a bit slow
[22:07] <DjSylvester> i have problems with ubuntu sotware center
[22:07] <DjSylvester> *software  center
[22:09] <nemo> hm. my DNS resolution has slowed waaaaaay down in Lucid
[22:09] <nemo> ADS integration at fault or something?
[22:09] <bjsnider> !find liveMedia.hh
[22:09] <nemo> maybe IPv6?
[22:10] <bsmith093> !find liveMedia.hh
[22:10] <bsmith093> the bot is a package examiner too
[22:10] <bsmith093> that is so useful!
[22:12] <DjSylvester> software center crashed with AttributeError in _parse_and_or_not_tag()
[22:12] <DjSylvester> can anyone knows how to fix this?
[22:14] <DjSylvester> software center crashed with AttributeError in _parse_and_or_not_tag()
[22:15] <bjsnider> !find ac_nonexistent.h
[22:15] <DjSylvester> !find software center
[22:15] <bsmith093> is there a way to make encrypting things like email and documents ( and generating a key) completely idiot proof
[22:16] <DjSylvester> !find software_center
[22:16] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: I don't see any bug that relates to that error
[22:16] <bsmith093> probably hyphenated
[22:17] <IdleOne> report a bug on launchpad.net
[22:17] <bsmith093> !find ubuntu-software-center
[22:18] <DjSylvester> IdleOne:  there is other way to repair this package ?
[22:18] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: possibly but I don't know how. do you have all the updates installed?
[22:18] <IdleOne> what were you doing when this error happened?
[22:18] <DjSylvester> when i made the update i get some errors
[22:19] <DjSylvester> no
[22:19] <DjSylvester> no updates found
[22:19] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:19] <IdleOne> ohh well
[22:19] <IdleOne> ok tell me what you were doing and I can try to reproduce the error and report also
[22:21] <DjSylvester> i send the report to  launchpad
[22:21] <Berzerker> is beta 2 out yet?
[22:21] <IdleOne> yes
[22:21] <Berzerker> alright thanks
[22:22] <IdleOne> well the email was sent but the topic has not been updated
[22:22] <DjSylvester> when i upgrade  from 8.04TLD i get some install errors
[22:22] <DjSylvester> and i think those errors are the problmes
[22:22] <IdleOne> tld?
[22:22] <DjSylvester> *problems
[22:22] <DjSylvester> TLS
[22:22] <IdleOne> oh LTS
[22:23] <DjSylvester> yes
[22:23] <IdleOne> what errors ?
[22:23] <DjSylvester> some about libc.6
[22:23] <DjSylvester> lib6.c
[22:24] <DjSylvester> is possible to try reinstall again ?
[22:26] <IdleOne> DjSylvester: of course
[22:26] <IdleOne> use the live cd
[22:27] <IdleOne> backup any important files you don't want to lose
[22:27] <johnnyCbad> Hi, after updating to the latest packages and rebooting I cannot mount filesystems in Lucid beta 1, any help?
[22:27] <IdleOne> !separatehome
[22:27] <DjSylvester> ok
[22:29] <DjSylvester> thanks
[22:31] <bsmith093> how do i generate a key in lucid
[22:56] <bsmith093> according to my screen no one has typed anything for over 20 minutes
[22:59] <kklimonda> and?
[23:00] <bsmith093> its just that a full 20 min of nothing but status messages  seem wierd
[23:02] <sebsebseb> hrm looks like, just like  Beta 1, Beta 2 will be delayed
[23:04] <Glowball> Will the Human theme still be available in the final version of Lucid (Not as default of course, but in System > Preferences > Appearance)? It isn't in beta 1.
[23:04] <FunnyLookinHat> sebsebseb: Beta 2 was already released....   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2
[23:05] <marienz> Glowball: I still see a human-theme package available. I have no clue if that's installed by default.
[23:05] <sebsebseb> FunnyLookinHat: oh
[23:05] <sebsebseb> FunnyLookinHat: so the ISO's are there, just this channel's topic hasn't been changed yet?
[23:06] <marienz> afaik the isos are there and the website is updated
[23:06] <yofel> sebsebseb, FunnyLookinHat: it's not officially released yet as we are missing the release announcement, but the isos are ready
[23:08] <Glowball> marienz: It isn't in the beta. I think it should be, for the users who don't like the new theme(s) and want to change back to the previous one in an easy, effortless way
[23:08] <FunnyLookinHat> yofel: release announcement arrived in my inbox about an hour ago...
[23:08] <bongokarl> hi there
[23:08] <FunnyLookinHat> Howdy bongokarl
[23:08] <bongokarl> anybody is having problems with lucid - empahty and icq?
[23:09] <bongokarl> i won't comlain for sure about anything - just wondering that its not working anymore
[23:09] <FunnyLookinHat> yofel: See this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000131.html
[23:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I'd change the channel message if I had the authority...
[23:09] <bongokarl> hehe allright
[23:10] <bongokarl> do-release upgrade something
[23:10] <bongokarl> right?
[23:10]  * marienz doesn't care that much about what's in the default install
[23:10] <yofel> FunnyLookinHat: duh, then slangasek forgot to send the mail to ubuntu-devel-announce too which is what most of us here follow
[23:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Hah
[23:12] <Glowball> marienz: I don't either. I can go to Synaptic at any time I want. But I know people whose grandma are using Ubuntu, and they can't. Ubuntu is supposed to be as user friendly as possible for anyone. Not adding in the Human theme, would be one of those 'paper cuts' to me.
[23:13] <jrr> okay here's some comical behavior
[23:14] <jrr> select multiple text files in nautilus, right click, open with gedit
[23:14] <jrr> it will open a whole bunch of gedits, and then they'll all collapse back down to one editor with multiple tabs
[23:14] <jrr> that made my dad
[23:14] <jrr> day too
[23:16] <FunnyLookinHat> jrr: it's to keep epileptic people off of ubuntu.  ;)
[23:16] <DrHalan> lol who got the idea of transparent buttons in the new theme? all buttons on youtube are unusuable because background AND font are white
[23:16] <sebsebseb> marienz: I do, but I also know I can remove features that I don't like :)
[23:16] <sebsebseb> marienz: and change things here and there if I want to
[23:17] <jrr> DrHalan: repro instructions?
[23:17] <jrr> (i can see them just fine)
[23:18] <DrHalan> jrr: im using epiphany. dunno if firefox is using native gtk buttons
[23:19] <jrr> ah
[23:19] <jrr> yeah in ff they're fine
[23:21] <bongokarl> i'm very sorry i have to ask one more question. i guess i'm having beta 1 installed. update-manager -d nor do-releasge upgrade -d work. is it that apt-get upgrade does everything to move to beta 2?
[23:21] <yofel> !beta | bongokarl
[23:21] <bongokarl> allright! thank you very much!
[23:23] <bsmith093> opengpg question how do i know if ive accidentally released my private key instead of my public key when i published them to the keyserver
[23:24] <DrHalan> jrr: yeah i just checked. firefox is rendering the buttons fine
[23:24] <pider> just installed beta2 in virtualbox and also guest add, full screen worked just fine (1440x900) and compiz, very nice
[23:26] <neezer> is there a program that I can use to resize a bunch of images in 10.04? I'm not finding that option in fstop.
[23:28] <bsmith093> anyone else having no sound in lucid for a while now
[23:29] <kklimonda> neezer: convert
[23:29] <neezer> bsmith093, I don't have startup bongos or whatever they are, but I still have sound.
[23:29] <neezer> kklimonda, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.
[23:29] <bsmith093> how do i get my sounfd bakc
[23:29] <bsmith093> sound back
[23:29] <marienz> that depends on where it went :) iirc there's a wiki page with debugging steps
[23:30] <kklimonda> neezer: it's a name of a utility that can resize bunch of imabes
[23:31] <moonlite11> How do i make gnome-power-manager not start when i log in to gnome? Reason: my screen flickers and it decides that it needs to hibernate every 10th minute even with the power plugged in.
[23:32] <moonlite11> (this is in lucid ofcourse, and i will report bugs as soon as i get to a desktop that i can use for more than 10 minutes in a row :))
[23:34] <nemo> moonlite11: uncheck power manager in startup applications?
[23:34] <nemo> just a guess
[23:35] <bsmith093> can someone answer an encryption key question opengpg question how do i know if ive accidentally released my private key instead of my public key when i published them to the keyserver
[23:37] <kklimonda> bsmith093: is it even possible to do that?
[23:37] <bsmith093> thanks i was
[23:38] <bsmith093> i dont know could u help me please i am an encryption noob just generated my first key about an hour ago
[23:40] <kklimonda> bsmith093: how have you uploaded it and why do you think it could be the private key?
[23:40] <aboleth> hi
[23:43] <bsmith093> kkilonda i published it to the keyserver
[23:43] <bsmith093> but in dont know which one it sent
[23:44] <bsmith093> i only have one key listed in the passwords and encryption thing
[23:46] <aboleth> I upgraded to the beta about maybe two weeks ago and since then I've not been able to boot since then. The first time I tried it got to the loading screen and it said something about the sda drive and continued going through the progress bar thing for maybe half an hour. Since then I didn't get anything about the sda drive but it just stays loading for an extremely long time. What should I do?
[23:46] <kklimonda> bsmith093: I think it's impossible to send private key to the keyserver
[23:46] <bsmith093> k thgen so how do i use the key
[23:47] <kklimonda> bsmith093: what do you want to use it for?
[23:47] <bsmith093> encrypting email
[23:47] <kklimonda> well, that depends on your email client then
[23:48] <bsmith093> gmail
[23:48] <bsmith093> web interfacre
[23:48] <kklimonda> there is some firefox extension for that - firegpg I think
[23:48] <bsmith093> i got that
[23:48] <bsmith093> about ten min ago
[23:48] <kklimonda> then please read the documentation for it
[23:49] <kklimonda> I haven't used it
[23:49] <bsmith093> k then bye
[23:51] <marienz> hum, this upgrade went mostly ok except for the part where the screen didn't come back on when I rebooted :)
[23:52] <sirninja> Is the banshee notification area icon messed up for anybody else using lucid?
[23:52] <Fishscene> Greetings. I see that the Beta 2 is supposed to be released today. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule) My question is, is it available right now? or will it be available tomorrow?
[23:52] <marienz> let's see if that's a one-time only bug
[23:52] <marienz> Fishscene: looks pretty available to me
[23:52] <Fishscene> Awesome. I shall update and see how it goes. Hopefully they fixed the grub error.
[23:53] <marienz> argh, this is going to be annoying
[23:59] <marienz> urgh, if toggling this undocumented new openchrome X driver option fixes it I'm going to be annoyed