| dutchie | godbyk: going to dike out the \listoftodo at some point? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| godbyk | dutchie: I don't have to. I just add a 'suppress' option when loading the todonotes package and it suppresses the notes and list of notes. | 00:06 |
| dutchie | coo | 00:07 |
| dutchie | l | 00:07 |
| dutchie | hmm, po4a hasn't updated the pot file | 00:07 |
| dutchie | I'll sort it in the morning | 00:07 |
| godbyk | yeah, so the notes can hang around for people who are starting to work on the lucid-2e branch. | 00:08 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 00:08 |
| dutchie | bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information. | 00:10 |
| dutchie | ;lsz hdfgdlksd fg.zdn,kldm | 00:10 |
| dutchie | kl | 00:10 |
| dutchie | stupid bzr | 00:10 |
| dutchie | stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid bzr | 00:10 |
| godbyk | bzr irks me, too. | 00:11 |
| godbyk | I'd love to merge the couple string changes I just made (window controls and yahoo/google) to my English 1e branch, but I figure it'll just screw things up. So I'm just gonna diff it locally and manually update my stuff. :-/ | 00:12 |
| dutchie | I'm going to bed | 00:12 |
| dutchie | it's going to be a long morning :( | 00:13 |
| godbyk | 'kay. see ya in the morning. :) | 00:13 |
| daker | should i work on the main branch or what ? | 00:23 |
| daker | godbyk, | 00:23 |
| godbyk | daker: yeah, you can work on that branch for now. | 00:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | night again all | 00:26 |
| daker | godbyk, if i upgrade my karmic to lucid, that will cause something ? | 00:49 |
| godbyk | daker: upgrading went smoothly for me, but you should definitely back up your data first, just in case. | 00:50 |
| daker | thanks | 00:51 |
| donri | They will change back default search engine to Google so if you're covering that or have Firefox screenshots ... | 02:53 |
| godbyk | donri: yep. I've fixed the translation branch. dutchie is going to update the pot file when he wakes up. (bzr was giving him some grief earlier.) | 03:34 |
| donri | Is Bazaar any good? | 03:35 |
| donri | I plan to migrate from Git to Bazaar but haven't had a project to try it with yet. | 03:35 |
| godbyk | I don't know enough about the various DVCSs to judge. | 03:38 |
| jaminday | godbyk: ping | 05:36 |
| godbyk | jaminday: pong | 05:36 |
| jaminday | godbyk: hey there, what's the word on the change back to google for lucid | 05:37 |
| jaminday | will we be breaking writing freeze? | 05:37 |
| godbyk | jaminday: already did. I fixed those strings in the lucid-1e branch and pushed the changes. dutchie is going to update the pot when he wakes up. (bzr was giving him some fits earlier.) | 05:37 |
| godbyk | I also fixed the window control buttons order in the manual (since that's been rearranged, too). | 05:38 |
| jaminday | ah great, that was my next question | 05:38 |
| jaminday | fantastic | 05:38 |
| jaminday | so the lucid 1e-branch, is that 2nd edition? | 05:39 |
| godbyk | It'd make my life easier if people would stop switching things around on me at the last minute. :) | 05:39 |
| godbyk | the lucid-1e branch is the first edition (hence the 1e) | 05:39 |
| godbyk | there's a lucid-2e branch for the second edition. | 05:39 |
| jaminday | ah of course | 05:39 |
| godbyk | feel free to start jamming on that. | 05:39 |
| jaminday | yeah i will | 05:39 |
| godbyk | there's also a maverick branch that we don't need to worry about quite yet, probably. | 05:39 |
| jaminday | are you updating the style guide in 2e? | 05:39 |
| jaminday | ok | 05:40 |
| godbyk | I've created a separate lucid-1e-english branch to tidy up the formatting on the english edition. that way my rearranging of some strings won't hurt the translations. (just adjusting the positioning of things, mostly.) | 05:40 |
| godbyk | I think the style guide is in 2e, yeah. there should be a style-guide.tex file in the root. | 05:40 |
| jaminday | ok | 05:40 |
| godbyk | (I've got too many branches now, so I may have tossed it in the wrong one accidentally. double-check me! :-)) | 05:41 |
| godbyk | feel free to start adding content to the style guide, too. | 05:41 |
| jaminday | hehe yeah it's getting confusing! | 05:41 |
| jaminday | ok i'll take a look | 05:41 |
| jaminday | so in lp, what does the ~ mean in front of some branch names | 05:41 |
| godbyk | some links that may help re: style guide: | 05:41 |
| godbyk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/ | 05:41 |
| godbyk | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/2.30/index.html.en | 05:41 |
| godbyk | http://oreilly.com/oreilly/author/stylesheet.html#typography_and_font_conventions | 05:41 |
| godbyk | typically, in lp, the ~ in front of a name refers to a team name or a user name. | 05:42 |
| jaminday | ok | 05:42 |
| godbyk | (btw, lucid-2e should be linked to lp:ubuntu-manual, but I haven't tested that yet. you can also do lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-2e) | 05:42 |
| godbyk | (and it's either 2e or e2.. the branch and the series names don't match. that's why people shouldn't leave it to me to set these things up. ;-)) | 05:43 |
| godbyk | brb.. need some water. | 05:43 |
| jaminday | heh | 05:43 |
| jaminday | no prob | 05:43 |
| jaminday | godbyk: so to make sure i get this straight - all editing should now be done on lp:ubuntu-manual (which is linked to e2), whereas lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 is currently in writing freeze so content shouldn't be touched | 05:45 |
| jaminday | is that the right way round? | 05:46 |
| godbyk | back now. | 05:47 |
| godbyk | jaminday: yep, you got it! | 05:47 |
| jaminday | godbyk: great, I would hate to start making changes to the wrong one! | 05:48 |
| godbyk | and 'writing freeze' is apparently a misnomer.. it's frozen unless and until Canonical et al. changes something again. <grumble> | 05:48 |
| jaminday | hehe | 05:48 |
| jaminday | that's right | 05:48 |
| jaminday | so what is in the maverick branch? | 05:48 |
| godbyk | the maverick branch is just a copy of 2e. we'll probably have to wipe out what's there and pull in 2e when it's time to start working on maverick. | 05:48 |
| jaminday | ah ok... | 05:49 |
| * jaminday just remembered that maverick = 10.10 | 05:49 | |
| jaminday | godbyk: one other thing - will the changes RE order of buttons and default search provider make it into e1 or just stay in e2? | 05:51 |
| godbyk | they should make it into e1. I've updated the e1 source and dutchie will update the pot so the translators can fix their strings when he wakes up. | 05:52 |
| jaminday | ok great | 05:52 |
| jaminday | you probably said that earlier | 05:53 |
| godbyk | I think so, but I can't keep track of what I've said to whom. :-) | 05:54 |
| godbyk | We should have someone go through the bugs spreadsheet and mark all the bugs that have been fixed so we know what's left from there. | 05:55 |
| jaminday | agreed | 05:55 |
| jaminday | if i can get some time i'll sit down and have a look | 05:56 |
| godbyk | cool | 05:56 |
| godbyk | if we haven't already, we should start a to-do list of things to fix, add, improve, etc. for the second edition. | 05:57 |
| jaminday | yeah and then begin allocating some tasks to people | 05:57 |
| jaminday | for now i'll probably focus on adding what i can to the style guide (still haven't really had a chance to take a proper look) and going through the bug spreadsheet | 05:59 |
| godbyk | cool | 06:16 |
| godbyk | the style guide so far is pretty much just the LaTeX handout I made for those training courses we did a while back. | 06:16 |
| godbyk | We should look at Ilya's notes for his course and incorporate those in, too. | 06:16 |
| jaminday | godbyk: ok - is there somewhere I can access Ilya's notes from? | 06:26 |
| godbyk | jaminday: Check the Help/ dir in the branch. I think all the slides are in there. | 06:26 |
| jaminday | ok no worries | 06:26 |
| godbyk | I don't know if we'll have time to pull it off for 2e, but I think we should create a dossier and sample data and use that throughout the manual (examples and screenshots). | 06:28 |
| jaminday | godbyk: you lost me there... a dossier? | 06:29 |
| godbyk | Basically, create a fake user that has some emails, a job, a full name, a username, a password, a life, the whole works. | 06:29 |
| godbyk | Then we use that persona throughout the manual when we're explaining things. | 06:30 |
| jaminday | ah ok... yeah that makes sense | 06:30 |
| godbyk | The screenshots currently are of windows with empty text fields. | 06:30 |
| jaminday | give people a scenario to follow | 06:30 |
| godbyk | That's not nearly so informative as a screenshot of the window with the text fields filled in with realistic data. | 06:30 |
| jaminday | yes i agree | 06:30 |
| godbyk | It provides an example to the reader. | 06:30 |
| jaminday | we could have a couple of different hypothetical users with different backgrounds/needs etc that might use and set up ubuntu in different ways | 06:31 |
| jaminday | and refer back to 'joe' or 'mary' in relevant places | 06:32 |
| godbyk | maybe. as long as it's constructive and not confusing. | 06:32 |
| jaminday | yep | 06:32 |
| jaminday | could be worth doing a dummy run at least to see whether it works | 06:33 |
| godbyk | yeah | 06:33 |
| godbyk | jaminday: if you're editing the style guide, something that should go in there someplace: chapter headings are title case, all other headings are sentence case. | 06:35 |
| jaminday | godbyk: noted! | 06:36 |
| jaminday | i'll add it to my list | 06:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello o/ | 08:33 |
| dutchie | morning | 09:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | morning dutchie | 10:00 |
| godbyk | hey, dutchie. ready to tackle those translations? | 10:23 |
| godbyk | dutchie: I just downloaded the latest .po files and dropped them into the lucid-e1 branch and pushed. might take a few minutes for them to show up elsewhere. | 10:24 |
| godbyk | dutchie: can you update the translation files for the website (per the mailing list request)? | 10:24 |
| godbyk | dutchie: and, of course, update the lucid-e1 pot file? | 10:24 |
| godbyk | I think that'll keep you busy for a while. | 10:24 |
| godbyk | dutchie: Good morning, btw! ;-) | 10:25 |
| dutchie | :) | 10:25 |
| godbyk | (and with that, I'm headed to bed!) | 10:25 |
| godbyk | feel free to slap bzr around if it's being a pain. (I think it secretly likes to be slapped around.) | 10:25 |
| dutchie | heh | 10:26 |
| dutchie | ffs | 12:23 |
| dutchie | po4a doesn't work on the netbook, and doesn't update the pot file on the laptop | 12:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: is there any thing i can do to help? | 12:28 |
| dutchie | you can try running this: po4a --verbose --no-translations --package-name=ubuntu-manual --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-version=`bzr revno` --master-charset=UTF-8 po4a.conf | 12:30 |
| dutchie | I've got to go now | 12:30 |
| dutchie | I won't be around much for a week or so | 12:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | kk | 12:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok I will rember that command | 12:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | if i have the old main is that now edition 1? | 12:31 |
| dutchie | dunno | 12:31 |
| dutchie | I just deleted everything and started again | 12:31 |
| jaminday | godbyk: you still around? | 14:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | jaminday: he is asleep can i help in anyway? | 14:51 |
| jaminday | ubuntujenkins: yes you probably can - do you know much about apache? | 14:56 |
| ubuntujenkins | jaminday: I know basically nothing on apache i am afraid, kevin is usually awake in about 5 hours. sorry | 14:59 |
| jaminday | hehe no worries, thanks for the offer though! | 14:59 |
| ubuntujenkins | all i know is i have it installed :-) | 15:00 |
| jaminday | hehe yeah me too. i'm getting stuck trying to figure it out and figured i should ask someone wiser than i! | 15:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | I would like to find out too. I want to be able to do what ben does and give links to people | 15:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I could use dropbox but this way would be cooler | 15:01 |
| jaminday | yeah having a home server is much nicer than dropbox | 15:01 |
| jaminday | although dropbox is great | 15:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | I konw i have two of them running at once | 15:02 |
| jaminday | on the one computer? | 15:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep in my user http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/MultipleInstancesOnUnix along with a script that means they update very 15 minutes rather than seeing the icons | 15:03 |
| jaminday | wow i didn't know that was possible. I'll check it out | 15:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | I didn't untill the other day this is also useful. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321847 | 15:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | I don't ususally use scripts form random places but that one ^ is simple to understand. | 15:05 |
| jaminday | yeah nice, i like it | 15:06 |
| jaminday | well, off to bed. Night ubuntujenkins | 15:24 |
| danyR | hey guys. I've detected a somewhat big mistake in Ubuntu Manual. You refer that in order to adjust the volume, people shoud lef-click. It's wrong. As of Lucid, volume indicator has benn converted into an app indicator and is functions are acessible trough right-click | 15:52 |
| danyR | ups, forget. my bad | 15:53 |
| danyR | it's right. sorry, sorry :| | 15:53 |
| danyR | gotta get some sleep... | 15:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | night danyR, nice to see you are checking the manual in detail | 15:55 |
| daker | godbyk here ? | 20:14 |
| dutchie | ooh, po4a has decided to work | 20:44 |
| dutchie | right, pushed | 21:08 |
| dutchie | my last action until about wednesday :) | 21:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | evening hows things? | 21:44 |
| dutchie | I hate packing | 21:44 |
| dutchie | that is all | 21:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | i did all mine at 2.30am in the morning, last time | 21:45 |
| dutchie | I'm leaving at 7, so I don't fancy doing that | 21:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | I was up at seven that day, have a fun time away | 21:48 |
| godbyk | I'm back now. | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello godbyk | 22:17 |
| godbyk | hey, ubuntujenkins. how goes it? | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | not bad thanks family is back home now so more revision distractions, how are you? | 22:18 |
| godbyk | I hear ya. Not doing too bad. Had a slower start to the day as my shower head broke. | 22:20 |
| godbyk | I figured that was a good excuse to take a nice, relaxing bath. :) | 22:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | sounds like a good idea to me. I like baths | 22:20 |
| dutchie | I have no idea what is in that suitcase | 22:20 |
| dutchie | I am beyond caring | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | If you are going somewhere nice can you fit the team in? | 22:21 |
| * godbyk screams, "Take me with you!" | 22:21 | |
| dutchie | it's only belgium | 22:22 |
| dutchie | for 4 days of intense rowing training | 22:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | right team all to dutchie's! :P | 22:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | we will all sight see and do team building stuff | 22:23 |
| * ubuntujenkins silly fly in my room | 22:23 | |
| godbyk | Hey, guys. humphrebc has an etherpad set up here: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/interviewswithhumphreybc | 22:42 |
| godbyk | If you can think of some points that he should mention during his podcast interviews this weekend, add 'em to the list. | 22:42 |
| godbyk | (or feel free to just brain-dump into the pad. he's going to read it when he gets home in a few hours.) | 22:42 |
| * ubuntujenkins writes random thought | 22:47 | |
| ubuntujenkins | *thoughts | 22:47 |
| * godbyk thinks we should've just written the manual in an etherpad! | 22:57 | |
| dutchie | heh | 22:58 |
| dutchie | that would have been fun | 22:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | I was thinking about some of the quickshot stuff in etherpad | 22:58 |
| * Daker is fighting with a roolkit | 23:08 | |
| dutchie | nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure | 23:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | whats a roolkit Daker ? | 23:08 |
| dutchie | (assuming he means rootkit) | 23:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | I thought he may have ment toolkit | 23:09 |
| Daker | yeah rootkit | 23:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | how can you get them? | 23:10 |
| Daker | stupid WintoZ | 23:10 |
| Daker | ubuntujenkins: on Windows Sp2 | 23:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | i see makes more sense | 23:10 |
| * dutchie goes to bed | 23:11 | |
| dutchie | night | 23:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | night dutchie | 23:11 |
| Daker | a fucking systr.dll | 23:11 |
| Daker | night dutchie | 23:11 |
| Daker | ubuntujenkins: is there any software for radio automation on ubuntu ? | 23:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | Daker: not as far as i know. you do mean radio as in the thing you listen too right? | 23:20 |
| Daker | yes | 23:21 |
| Daker | the only one i know is http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ | 23:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am not aware of raido software, out of interest what are you trying to do? | 23:22 |
| Daker | but i think it works only on OpenSuse | 23:22 |
| Daker | nothing just a fan of webradio | 23:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | Daker: you could try rpm to deb to convert it | 23:23 |
| Daker | oki i'll try | 23:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | worth a shot, i am unsure how it works i used it once a long time ago | 23:24 |
| Daker | ubuntujenkins: one of projects http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs496.snc3/27087_427983093711_121189603711_5412257_715279_n.jpg | 23:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | nice :-) | 23:26 |
| Daker | http://power-beat.sf.net | 23:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool | 23:29 |
| Daker | thnx | 23:31 |
| Daker | ubuntujenkins: quickshot.org still free | 23:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | Daker: we are unsure on that yet there is a small discusion on the etherpad on that | 23:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry my laptop locked up | 23:44 |
| Daker | no problem | 23:44 |
| Daker | night all | 23:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | night Daker | 23:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | night all | 23:58 |
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