[00:05] <dutchie> godbyk: going to dike out the \listoftodo at some point?
[00:06] <godbyk> dutchie: I don't have to.  I just add a 'suppress' option when loading the todonotes package and it suppresses the notes and list of notes.
[00:07] <dutchie> coo
[00:07] <dutchie> l
[00:07] <dutchie> hmm, po4a hasn't updated the pot file
[00:07] <dutchie> I'll sort it in the morning
[00:08] <godbyk> yeah, so the notes can hang around for people who are starting to work on the lucid-2e branch.
[00:08] <godbyk> 'kay.
[00:10] <dutchie> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[00:10] <dutchie> ;lsz hdfgdlksd fg.zdn,kldm
[00:10] <dutchie> kl
[00:10] <dutchie> stupid bzr
[00:10] <dutchie> stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid bzr
[00:11] <godbyk> bzr irks me, too.
[00:12] <godbyk> I'd love to merge the couple string changes I just made (window controls and yahoo/google) to my English 1e branch, but I figure it'll just screw things up. So I'm just gonna diff it locally and manually update my stuff. :-/
[00:12] <dutchie> I'm going to bed
[00:13] <dutchie> it's going to be a long morning :(
[00:13] <godbyk> 'kay. see ya in the morning. :)
[00:23] <daker> should i work on the main branch or what ?
[00:23] <daker> godbyk,
[00:24] <godbyk> daker: yeah, you can work on that branch for now.
[00:26] <ubuntujenkins> night again all
[00:49] <daker> godbyk, if i upgrade my karmic to lucid, that will cause something ?
[00:50] <godbyk> daker: upgrading went smoothly for me, but you should definitely back up your data first, just in case.
[00:51] <daker> thanks
[02:53] <donri> They will change back default search engine to Google so if you're covering that or have Firefox screenshots ...
[03:34] <godbyk> donri: yep. I've fixed the translation branch. dutchie is going to update the pot file when he wakes up.  (bzr was giving him some grief earlier.)
[03:35] <donri> Is Bazaar any good?
[03:35] <donri> I plan to migrate from Git to Bazaar but haven't had a project to try it with yet.
[03:38] <godbyk> I don't know enough about the various DVCSs to judge.
[05:36] <jaminday> godbyk: ping
[05:36] <godbyk> jaminday: pong
[05:37] <jaminday> godbyk: hey there, what's the word on the change back to google for lucid
[05:37] <jaminday> will we be breaking writing freeze?
[05:37] <godbyk> jaminday: already did.  I fixed those strings in the lucid-1e branch and pushed the changes.  dutchie is going to update the pot when he wakes up.  (bzr was giving him some fits earlier.)
[05:38] <godbyk> I also fixed the window control buttons order in the manual (since that's been rearranged, too).
[05:38] <jaminday> ah great, that was my next question
[05:38] <jaminday> fantastic
[05:39] <jaminday> so the lucid 1e-branch, is that 2nd edition?
[05:39] <godbyk> It'd make my life easier if people would stop switching things around on me at the last minute. :)
[05:39] <godbyk> the lucid-1e branch is the first edition (hence the 1e)
[05:39] <godbyk> there's a lucid-2e branch for the second edition.
[05:39] <jaminday> ah of course
[05:39] <godbyk> feel free to start jamming on that.
[05:39] <jaminday> yeah i will
[05:39] <godbyk> there's also a maverick branch that we don't need to worry about quite yet, probably.
[05:39] <jaminday> are you updating the style guide in 2e?
[05:40] <jaminday> ok
[05:40] <godbyk> I've created a separate lucid-1e-english branch to tidy up the formatting on the english edition.  that way my rearranging of some strings won't hurt the translations.  (just adjusting the positioning of things, mostly.)
[05:40] <godbyk> I think the style guide is in 2e, yeah. there should be a style-guide.tex file in the root.
[05:40] <jaminday> ok
[05:41] <godbyk> (I've got too many branches now, so I may have tossed it in the wrong one accidentally. double-check me! :-))
[05:41] <godbyk> feel free to start adding content to the style guide, too.
[05:41] <jaminday> hehe yeah it's getting confusing!
[05:41] <jaminday> ok i'll take a look
[05:41] <jaminday> so in lp, what does the ~ mean in front of some branch names
[05:41] <godbyk> some links that may help re: style guide:
[05:41] <godbyk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/
[05:41] <godbyk> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/2.30/index.html.en
[05:41] <godbyk> http://oreilly.com/oreilly/author/stylesheet.html#typography_and_font_conventions
[05:42] <godbyk> typically, in lp, the ~ in front of a name refers to a team name or a user name.
[05:42] <jaminday> ok
[05:42] <godbyk> (btw, lucid-2e should be linked to lp:ubuntu-manual, but I haven't tested that yet. you can also do lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-2e)
[05:43] <godbyk> (and it's either 2e or e2.. the branch and the series names don't match. that's why people shouldn't leave it to me to set these things up. ;-))
[05:43] <godbyk> brb.. need some water.
[05:43] <jaminday> heh
[05:43] <jaminday> no prob
[05:45] <jaminday> godbyk: so to make sure i get this straight - all editing should now be done on lp:ubuntu-manual (which is linked to e2), whereas lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 is currently in writing freeze so content shouldn't be touched
[05:46] <jaminday> is that the right way round?
[05:47] <godbyk> back now.
[05:47] <godbyk> jaminday: yep, you got it!
[05:48] <jaminday> godbyk: great, I would hate to start making changes to the wrong one!
[05:48] <godbyk> and 'writing freeze' is apparently a misnomer.. it's frozen unless and until Canonical et al. changes something again. <grumble>
[05:48] <jaminday> hehe
[05:48] <jaminday> that's right
[05:48] <jaminday> so what is in the maverick branch?
[05:48] <godbyk> the maverick branch is just a copy of 2e. we'll probably have to wipe out what's there and pull in 2e when it's time to start working on maverick.
[05:49] <jaminday> ah ok...
[05:49]  * jaminday just remembered that maverick = 10.10
[05:51] <jaminday> godbyk: one other thing - will the changes RE order of buttons and default search provider make it into e1 or just stay in e2?
[05:52] <godbyk> they should make it into e1.  I've updated the e1 source and dutchie will update the pot so the translators can fix their strings when he wakes up.
[05:52] <jaminday> ok great
[05:53] <jaminday> you probably said that earlier
[05:54] <godbyk> I think so, but I can't keep track of what I've said to whom. :-)
[05:55] <godbyk> We should have someone go through the bugs spreadsheet and mark all the bugs that have been fixed so we know what's left from there.
[05:55] <jaminday> agreed
[05:56] <jaminday> if i can get some time i'll sit down and have a look
[05:56] <godbyk> cool
[05:57] <godbyk> if we haven't already, we should start a to-do list of things to fix, add, improve, etc. for the second edition.
[05:57] <jaminday> yeah and then begin allocating some tasks to people
[05:59] <jaminday> for now i'll probably focus on adding what i can to the style guide (still haven't really had a chance to take a proper look) and going through the bug spreadsheet
[06:16] <godbyk> cool
[06:16] <godbyk> the style guide so far is pretty much just the LaTeX handout I made for those training courses we did a while back.
[06:16] <godbyk> We should look at Ilya's notes for his course and incorporate those in, too.
[06:26] <jaminday> godbyk: ok - is there somewhere I can access Ilya's notes from?
[06:26] <godbyk> jaminday: Check the Help/ dir in the branch. I think all the slides are in there.
[06:26] <jaminday> ok no worries
[06:28] <godbyk> I don't know if we'll have time to pull it off for 2e, but I think we should create a dossier and sample data and use that throughout the manual (examples and screenshots).
[06:29] <jaminday> godbyk: you lost me there... a dossier?
[06:29] <godbyk> Basically, create a fake user that has some emails, a job, a full name, a username, a password, a life, the whole works.
[06:30] <godbyk> Then we use that persona throughout the manual when we're explaining things.
[06:30] <jaminday> ah ok... yeah that makes sense
[06:30] <godbyk> The screenshots currently are of windows with empty text fields.
[06:30] <jaminday> give people a scenario to follow
[06:30] <godbyk> That's not nearly so informative as a screenshot of the window with the text fields filled in with realistic data.
[06:30] <jaminday> yes i agree
[06:30] <godbyk> It provides an example to the reader.
[06:31] <jaminday> we could have a couple of different hypothetical users with different backgrounds/needs etc that might use and set up ubuntu in different ways
[06:32] <jaminday> and refer back to 'joe' or 'mary' in relevant places
[06:32] <godbyk> maybe. as long as it's constructive and not confusing.
[06:32] <jaminday> yep
[06:33] <jaminday> could be worth doing a dummy run at least to see whether it works
[06:33] <godbyk> yeah
[06:35] <godbyk> jaminday: if you're editing the style guide, something that should go in there someplace: chapter headings are title case, all other headings are sentence case.
[06:36] <jaminday> godbyk: noted!
[06:36] <jaminday> i'll add it to my list
[08:33] <ubuntujenkins> hello o/
[09:57] <dutchie> morning
[10:00] <ubuntujenkins> morning dutchie
[10:23] <godbyk> hey, dutchie. ready to tackle those translations?
[10:24] <godbyk> dutchie: I just downloaded the latest .po files and dropped them into the lucid-e1 branch and pushed. might take a few minutes for them to show up elsewhere.
[10:24] <godbyk> dutchie: can you update the translation files for the website (per the mailing list request)?
[10:24] <godbyk> dutchie: and, of course, update the lucid-e1 pot file?
[10:24] <godbyk> I think that'll keep you busy for a while.
[10:25] <godbyk> dutchie: Good morning, btw! ;-)
[10:25] <dutchie> :)
[10:25] <godbyk> (and with that, I'm headed to bed!)
[10:25] <godbyk> feel free to slap bzr around if it's being a pain.  (I think it secretly likes to be slapped around.)
[10:26] <dutchie> heh
[12:23] <dutchie> ffs
[12:24] <dutchie> po4a doesn't work on the netbook, and doesn't update the pot file on the laptop
[12:28] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: is there any thing i can do to help?
[12:30] <dutchie> you can try running this:  po4a --verbose --no-translations --package-name=ubuntu-manual --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-version=`bzr revno` --master-charset=UTF-8 po4a.conf
[12:30] <dutchie> I've got to go now
[12:30] <dutchie> I won't be around much for a week or so
[12:30] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[12:30] <ubuntujenkins> ok I will rember that command
[12:31] <ubuntujenkins> if i have the old main is that now edition 1?
[12:31] <dutchie> dunno
[12:31] <dutchie> I just deleted everything and started again
[14:44] <jaminday> godbyk: you still around?
[14:51] <ubuntujenkins> jaminday: he is asleep can i help in anyway?
[14:56] <jaminday> ubuntujenkins: yes you probably can - do you know much about apache?
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> jaminday: I know basically nothing on apache i am afraid, kevin is usually awake in about 5 hours. sorry
[14:59] <jaminday> hehe no worries, thanks for the offer though!
[15:00] <ubuntujenkins> all i know is i have it installed :-)
[15:00] <jaminday> hehe yeah me too. i'm getting stuck trying to figure it out and figured i should ask someone wiser than i!
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> I would like to find out too. I want to be able to do what ben does and give links to people
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> I could use dropbox but this way would be cooler
[15:01] <jaminday> yeah having a home server is much nicer than dropbox
[15:02] <jaminday> although dropbox is great
[15:02] <ubuntujenkins> I konw i have two of them running at once
[15:02] <jaminday> on the one computer?
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> yep in my user http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/MultipleInstancesOnUnix along with a script that means they update very 15 minutes rather than seeing the icons
[15:04] <jaminday> wow i didn't know that was possible. I'll check it out
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> I didn't untill the other day this is also useful.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321847
[15:05] <ubuntujenkins> I don't ususally use scripts form random places but that one ^ is simple to understand.
[15:06] <jaminday> yeah nice, i like it
[15:24] <jaminday> well, off to bed. Night ubuntujenkins
[15:52] <danyR> hey guys. I've detected a somewhat big mistake in Ubuntu Manual. You refer that in order to adjust the volume, people shoud lef-click. It's wrong. As of Lucid, volume indicator has benn converted into an app indicator and is functions are acessible trough right-click
[15:53] <danyR> ups, forget. my bad
[15:53] <danyR> it's right. sorry, sorry :|
[15:53] <danyR> gotta get some sleep...
[15:55] <ubuntujenkins> night danyR, nice to see you are checking the manual in detail
[20:14] <daker> godbyk here ?
[20:44] <dutchie> ooh, po4a has decided to work
[21:08] <dutchie> right, pushed
[21:09] <dutchie> my last action until about wednesday :)
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> evening hows things?
[21:44] <dutchie> I hate packing
[21:44] <dutchie> that is all
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> i did all mine at 2.30am in the morning, last time
[21:46] <dutchie> I'm leaving at 7, so I don't fancy doing that
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> I was up at seven that day, have a fun time away
[22:17] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> hello godbyk
[22:17] <godbyk> hey, ubuntujenkins. how goes it?
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> not bad thanks family is back home now so more revision distractions, how are you?
[22:20] <godbyk> I hear ya.  Not doing too bad. Had a slower start to the day as my shower head broke.
[22:20] <godbyk> I figured that was a good excuse to take a nice, relaxing bath. :)
[22:20] <ubuntujenkins> sounds like a good idea to me. I like baths
[22:20] <dutchie> I have no idea what is in that suitcase
[22:21] <dutchie> I am beyond caring
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> If you are going somewhere nice can you fit the team in?
[22:21]  * godbyk screams, "Take me with you!"
[22:22] <dutchie> it's only belgium
[22:22] <dutchie> for 4 days of intense rowing training
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> right team all to dutchie's! :P
[22:23] <ubuntujenkins> we will all sight see and do team building stuff
[22:23]  * ubuntujenkins silly fly in my room
[22:42] <godbyk> Hey, guys. humphrebc has an etherpad set up here: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/interviewswithhumphreybc
[22:42] <godbyk> If you can think of some points that he should mention during his podcast interviews this weekend, add 'em to the list.
[22:42] <godbyk> (or feel free to just brain-dump into the pad. he's going to read it when he gets home in a few hours.)
[22:47]  * ubuntujenkins writes random thought
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> *thoughts
[22:57]  * godbyk thinks we should've just written the manual in an etherpad!
[22:58] <dutchie> heh
[22:58] <dutchie> that would have been fun
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> I was thinking about some of the quickshot stuff in etherpad
[23:08]  * Daker is fighting with a roolkit
[23:08] <dutchie> nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> whats a roolkit Daker ?
[23:08] <dutchie> (assuming he means rootkit)
[23:09] <ubuntujenkins> I thought he may have ment toolkit
[23:09] <Daker> yeah rootkit
[23:10] <ubuntujenkins> how can you get them?
[23:10] <Daker> stupid WintoZ
[23:10] <Daker> ubuntujenkins: on Windows Sp2
[23:10] <ubuntujenkins> i see makes more sense
[23:11]  * dutchie goes to bed
[23:11] <dutchie> night
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> night dutchie
[23:11] <Daker> a fucking systr.dll
[23:11] <Daker> night dutchie
[23:19] <Daker> ubuntujenkins: is there any software for radio automation on ubuntu ?
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> Daker: not as far as i know. you do mean radio as in the thing you listen too right?
[23:21] <Daker> yes
[23:22] <Daker> the only one i know is http://www.rivendellaudio.org/
[23:22] <ubuntujenkins> I am not aware of raido software, out of interest what are you trying to do?
[23:22] <Daker> but i think it works only on OpenSuse
[23:23] <Daker> nothing just a fan of webradio
[23:23] <ubuntujenkins> Daker: you could try rpm to deb to convert it
[23:24] <Daker> oki i'll try
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> worth a shot, i am unsure how it works i used it once a long time ago
[23:25] <Daker> ubuntujenkins: one of projects http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs496.snc3/27087_427983093711_121189603711_5412257_715279_n.jpg
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> nice :-)
[23:27] <Daker> http://power-beat.sf.net
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[23:31] <Daker> thnx
[23:40] <Daker> ubuntujenkins: quickshot.org still free
[23:43] <ubuntujenkins> Daker: we are unsure on that yet there is a small discusion on the etherpad on that
[23:44] <ubuntujenkins> sorry my laptop locked up
[23:44] <Daker> no problem
[23:44] <Daker> night all
[23:44] <ubuntujenkins> night Daker
[23:58] <ubuntujenkins> night all