[00:43] <Pici> pleia2: You I'm not completely paying attention, but it seems these trolls are hitting #u-w and #freenode at the same time. And that fellow from before was klined/killed so I removed his bans.
[00:43] <pleia2> thanks again Pici :)
[07:30] <jussi01> !staff
[07:30] <jussi01> [09:29:50] <SHELLZ> In need of a free psyBNC or SHELL account? Simply go to www.freeunixshell.com and follow the instructions.
[07:52] <knome> morning jussi01
[07:52] <jussi01> morning knome
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <knome> morning daniel
[09:53] <elky> cyclical troll is cyclical
[13:10] <bazhang> someone masquarading as dr-willis?
[13:11] <Pici> yay, idoru killed it
[13:11] <Pici> although it seems to have killed a legitimate user too,
[13:11] <Pici> TylerPlack1: Can we help you?
[13:13] <Mamarok> Pici: he doesn't answer since yesterday
[13:13] <Pici> toodles
[13:14] <Pici> tomaw: ping, possible issue with idoru (not an immediately serious one though).
[13:15] <bazhang> that user looked familair, checking logs now
[13:15] <tomaw> Pici: oh?
[13:17] <Pici> tomaw: Looks like if a nick repeats what another user has said a buch of times, it removes both the legitimate user, and the bot. See scrollback in #ubuntu for dr_willis1 and autoclesis for example.
[13:17] <bazhang> * [Dr_Willis1] (~dhanesh@117.206.17.222): purple
[13:17] <Pici> Probably not a big problem, but I don't want to see people exploiting this to get good users killed by idoru.
[13:18] <tomaw> hrm
[13:29] <Pici> bazhang: banforwarding here
[13:32] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, hi
[13:32] <Dr_Willis1> hi bazhang
[13:33] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, this is neoraj ?
[13:33] <Dr_Willis1> what is that neoraj
[13:33] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, your previous nickname to this one
[13:34] <Pici> bazhang: I don't see that in my logs.
[13:34] <Dr_Willis1> no no bazhang
[13:34] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, okay, what was it then?
[13:35] <Dr_Willis1> what are you asking i dont understand
[13:36] <Dr_Willis1> what are you asking i dont understand bazhang
[13:37] <mneptok> Dr_Willis1: is your usual nick Dr_Willis (without the 1)?
[13:37] <Pici> bazhang: I need to run for a few minutes, can you figure out what this fellow was doing?
[13:37] <Dr_Willis1> yes it is bazhang
[13:37] <bazhang> Pici, sure
[13:37] <Pici> with the repeating and whatnot.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis1>  with the repeating and whatnot.
[13:38] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1, you were repeating what other users were..
[13:38] <mneptok> Dr_Willis1: do you remember the password you created when you registered the nick Dr_Willis?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis1> how are you bazhang
[13:38] <bazhang> back in a moment
[13:39] <Dr_Willis1> yes mneptok why are you asking that
[13:40] <mneptok> Dr_Willis1: please use "/msg NickServ ghost Dr_Willis $PASSWORD" (using the correct password for your nick) to disconnect the other Dr_Willis client.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis1> oh i understand mneptok
[13:40] <mneptok> great. please do that now.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis1> sexy
[13:41] <Dr_Willis1> sexy mneptok
[13:42] <Dr_Willis1> michael jackson do you like mneptok
[13:42] <mneptok> not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
[13:42] <Dr_Willis1> what do you mean mneptok
[13:43] <mneptok> exactly.
[13:43] <mneptok> !staff Dr_Willis1 impersonating other users and feebly trolling. like, very feebly. it's not even schadenfreude-type amusing.
[13:44] <mneptok> gah
[13:44] <Dr_Willis1> what exactly
[13:44] <mneptok> !staff
[13:44] <mneptok> ^^^^^^
[13:44] <bazhang> he is spoofing Dr_willis
[13:45] <bazhang> still not found that user in logs, will continue to look
[13:46] <mneptok> 06:05 -!- greekphreak [~dhanesh@117.206.17.222] has joined #ubuntu
[13:46] <bazhang> nice :)
[13:46] <mneptok> 06:22 -!- dhanesh [~dhanesh@117.206.17.222] has joined #ubuntu
[13:47] <mneptok> a g: on that IP would be most welcome
[13:49] <bazhang> also in as dhanesh right now
[13:51] <bazhang> dhanesh, hi
[13:54] <bazhang> dhanesh, you are forwarded here, as you were using the nick Dr_Willis1 and had some kind of repeater script on
[13:54] <bazhang> dhanesh, you are forwarded here, as you were using the nick Dr_Willis1 and had some kind of repeater script on
[13:55] <bazhang> yikes
[13:55] <mneptok> one of the clinical definitions of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome.
[13:55] <topyli> buttons make me do that
[13:55] <dhanesh1> i have banned from #ubuntu please tell them to retake me bazhang
[13:56] <bazhang> dhanesh1, you were spoofing another users nickname and repeating multiple times others users input
[13:56] <bazhang> dhanesh1, specifically Dr_Willis1
[13:56] <dhanesh1> please tell them to retake me iam forgiving them bazhang
[13:57] <bazhang> dhanesh1, forgiving who?
[13:57] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[13:57] <dhanesh1> forgiving #ubuntu people bazhang
[13:58] <bazhang> dhanesh1, you were the one doing something wrong
[13:58] <bazhang> whoops
[13:58] <knome> dhanesh,
[13:58] <mneptok> wheee!
[13:58] <bazhang> well this could take a while
[13:58] <bazhang> hehe
[13:58] <knome> oops. bazhang ^still here
[13:59] <bazhang> knome, I think it died
[13:59] <knome> that didn't make much sense. :)
[13:59] <knome> probably, but weird still
[13:59] <bazhang> likely bazhang1 is next nick
[13:59] <knome> hehe
[13:59] <knome> or dazhang?
[14:00] <ghmol> iam sorry
[14:00] <bazhang> ghmol, okay...ugh
[14:01] <knome> hah
[14:01] <knome> gotcha!
[14:01] <knome> ;]
[14:01] <knome> bbl ->
[14:12] <Pici> @login
[14:12] <Pici> <.<
[14:13] <topyli> put house in mailbox
[14:30] <mneptok>  /connect Freenode
[14:30] <mneptok> "You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike"
[14:30] <mneptok>  /join #ubuntu
[14:31] <mneptok> "You are in danger of being eaten by a grue."
[14:39] <bazhang> * [dhanesh] (~dhanesh@117.206.17.168): purple ban evading it seems
[14:45] <dhanesh> what are you doing mneptok
[14:45] <mneptok> putting an end to your ban evasion.
[14:45] <dhanesh> why mneptok
[14:46] <dhanesh> why are you doing this to me mneptok
[14:46] <mneptok> ban evasion is against Freenode policy
[14:47] <dhanesh> please dont do iam sorry mneptok
[14:47] <mneptok> why did you impersonate another user?
[14:47] <mneptok> why did you repeat inputlines of other users?
[14:47] <mneptok> why did you evade a ban?
[14:48] <mneptok> i'm quite interested to know these things.
[14:48] <mneptok> as are other ops.
[14:48] <dhanesh> no i will do not do it again sorry if i do again you can do it
[14:49] <mneptok> the question was not "will you do it again?" but "why did you do it?"
[14:50] <dhanesh> just played  sorry
[14:50] <dhanesh> can you retake me mneptok
[14:51] <mneptok> i have no confidence that your remorse is sincere.
[14:52] <dhanesh> no no iam sorry
[14:52] <mneptok> thus, the ban will stay in effect for at least 24 hours. feel free to /join this channel after that to discuss things.
[14:52] <dhanesh> why mneptok
[14:52] <dhanesh> iam sorry
[14:53] <mneptok> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consequences
[14:53] <dhanesh> oh good idea mneptok
[14:53] <dhanesh> thank you very much
[14:54] <mneptok> you're quite welcome. see you in 24 hours if you're still interested in getting the ban removed.
[14:54] <dhanesh> we are friends from now onwards
[14:54] <dhanesh> what do you mean mneptok
[14:55] <dhanesh> yes iam interested in removing ban
[14:55] <mneptok> i mean "/part this channel and return in 24 hours if you want to discuss the ban"
[14:55] <bazhang> dhanesh, return in 24 hours to discuss
[14:55] <bazhang> whoops sorry
[14:55] <mneptok> there will be no further discussion of it today.
[14:56] <dhanesh> ok ok sorry iam forgiving you
[14:57] <dhanesh> will you forgive me
[14:58] <dhanesh> will you forgive me mneptok
[14:58] <bazhang> dhanesh, please return in 24 hrs.
[14:58] <dhanesh> ok bazhang
[14:59] <bazhang> dhanesh, until that time you need to exit the channel
[14:59] <dhanesh> ok now i will exit
[14:59] <bazhang> bye
[14:59] <bazhang> sorry to interrupt mneptok
[15:00] <mneptok> no worries
[15:00] <topyli> it's alright bazhang, dhanesh forgives you
[15:00] <bazhang> topyli, haha
[15:00] <mneptok> bazhang: sexy interrupt forgive you how are you do you like cheese
[15:01] <topyli> heh
[15:01] <bazhang> :0
[15:01] <topyli> either a language barrier, or a troll. i can't tell
[15:03] <persia> trolls like cheese :)
[15:43]  * Mamarok likes cheese, too
[15:44] <Seeker`> mmm, cheese
[15:56] <elky> Keep them away from my brie!
[15:56] <Seeker`> ewww
[15:56] <Seeker`> Cheddar for me!
[15:56] <elky> triple cream brie... omnomnom
[15:56] <knome> cheese stinks
[15:56] <elky> or a nice havarti
[16:05] <Mamarok> Gruyère here :)
[16:06] <mneptok> i cultivate some lovely stuff between my toes. hearty and smoky, and playful on the afterbite.
[16:11] <Mamarok> smells like one of Switzerland's most smelly cheeses: Appenzeller
[20:06] <IdleOne> can someone please ask ryax.. to stop the windows/troll talk in -offtopic
[20:06] <IdleOne> thank you
[20:10] <ryaxnb_> guess who?
[20:10] <ryaxnb_> I feel it is unfair that someone has to stop when another person demands it.
[20:11] <ryaxnb_> This rule doesn't seem to be enforced or clearly seperated and could easily  be spammed
[20:11] <ryaxnb_> For instance, i could (but i won't) spam the !stop to get everyone to stop talking randomly and until i was banned, everyone would have to comply? Seems strange.
[20:12] <Pici> Common sense is required as well.
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> well, i again feel i was abiding by the code of conduct
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> i looked it over.
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> There is nothing in there that says that legitmate rants are prohibited.
[20:12] <ryaxnb_> As long as they are directed at products not people.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> It does say hate is discouraged, but i wasn't hating.
[20:13] <tsimpson> respect for others is also a part of the CoC, you should respect that others disagree with you
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> i read that as well.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> i respect that.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> Idleone did not
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> He was demanding I stop.
[20:13] <ryaxnb_> Even though it was just a disagreement
[20:13] <tsimpson> where did he "demand" this?
[20:14] <rocket16> Friends, the Channel #ubuntu-offtopic is owned by a few people like Atomik-spark, Bazhang and so on.
[20:14] <ryaxnb_> And according to the CoC, that is no call to stop, so much as to consult others.
[20:14] <rocket16> They all, offend newcomers like me, and they even ban us, when we want to discuss anything there.
[20:14] <rocket16> And, even more, they never discuss Ubuntu matters, but all rubbish things.
[20:14] <ryaxnb_>  I just requested. I do not need to be an op. any user can request offtopic chat to be stopped
[20:14] <ryaxnb_> from idleone
[20:15] <rocket16> I request the respected Operators here, to take an action.
[20:15] <ryaxnb_> that sounds like he is saying he has the same authority as an op to "request" (read: annoy me until i stop)
[20:15] <Pici> rocket16: Do you have an active ban in -offtopic right now?
[20:15] <ryaxnb_> when according to the CoC we should consult others
[20:15] <rocket16> Pici: No, when I tried to discuss an Ubuntu matter, they banned me temporarily,
[20:15] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: that's not how I interpret that message at all
[20:16] <ryaxnb_> To see where the disagreement lies.
[20:16] <maco> rocket16: it's called "offtopic" for a reason, so dont be surprised at the lack of ubuntu chatter
[20:16] <rocket16> maco: Thanks, but they should not insult us like that,
[20:16] <ryaxnb_> For instance, IMHO we should have IDK, maybe asked spaceghost and dmsuperman, who were also in the debate
[20:16] <Pici> rocket16: one moment.
[20:16] <ryaxnb_> if it should continue on or if we were all pooped out.
[20:16] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: an operator taking action is always the last resort, the rules are always bets enforced by the community
[20:16] <rocket16> maco: Also, we too, have the freedom to discuss light-weight Ubuntu matters, but not anything rubbish there.
[20:17] <rocket16> Pici: Sure,
[20:17] <ryaxnb_> tsimpson, i realise that.
[20:17] <ryaxnb_> but frankly i wasn't doing anything wrong.
[20:18] <ryaxnb_> So the rules are a bit iffy, because he was requesting forcefully at a point when I had done nothing.
[20:18] <ryaxnb_> He wasn't being very respectful, calling me a troll when i clearly had no intention of trolling
[20:18] <rocket16> The four people, who always do insults there are "UberNacho, Atomik-spark, Seveas, buzhang"
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> on the contrary, i was attempting a lively debate with spaceghostc2c
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> rocket16, it is AtomicSpark and UberTaco.
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> IRIC
[20:19] <rocket16> ryaxnb_: Yes, but UberTaco renamed himself to be UberNacho for a while
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> anyway
[20:19] <ryaxnb_> I will leave once i get an answer.
[20:20] <ryaxnb_> Do you think honestly , IdleOne was being disrespectful
[20:20] <ryaxnb_> I believe he was.
[20:20] <ryaxnb_> and inconsiderate as well.
[20:20] <tsimpson> let me read over the back scroll for -offtopic
[20:21] <ryaxnb_> you are scrolling the chat like a troll now
[20:21] <ryaxnb_> -IdleOne
[20:21] <ryaxnb_> 12:04 PM PST.
[20:22] <ryaxnb_>  IdleOne 12:02 PM PST /rantcount ryaxnb
[20:22] <ryaxnb_>  5 bajillion zillion million lines
[20:25] <Pici> rocket16: Can you give me an example of someone insulting you? I'm looking through my logs, but things aren't exactly clear.
[20:25] <ryaxnb_> and also, back to my original compaint, stopping on a dime is unreasonable. Especially when you haven't gone against the CoC or any of the documents i've seen regarding how to behave on #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:26] <rocket16> Pici: Sure, may I post it to pastebin?
[20:26] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: all he did was ask you to stop the windows related discussion, he could have been more tactful sure
[20:26] <Pici> rocket16: Sure
[20:26] <ryaxnb_> did you see my quotes
[20:26] <ryaxnb_> he called me a troll and a ranter.
[20:26] <ryaxnb_> that's more than asking to stop.
[20:26] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: I have the full log myself
[20:26] <tsimpson> I can see it now
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> well if you claim he "just asked me to stop"
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> your missing something
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> because those two lines indicate he also insulted me in a minor way
[20:27] <maco2> ryaxnb_: i think tsimpson  was still reading
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> which unlike asking someone to stop, is AGAINST the CoC
[20:27] <ryaxnb_> maco2: ah.
[20:28] <tsimpson> ryaxnb_: your response to "please stop" was:
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> OK
 IdleOne, no.
 i will stop if an op requests ...
[20:28] <tsimpson> was that also disrespectful?
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> I realise that may not have been the best response
[20:28] <tsimpson> or were you two just getting a little heated?
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> I do not feel it was disrepectful.
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> It's not an either-or choice.
[20:28] <maco2> "stop punching me!" "not until a police officer tells me to!" sounds like a more extreme version of your answer
[20:28] <ryaxnb_> The real answer is it was not disrespectful because as i had done nothing wrong.
[20:29] <ryaxnb_> I simply said no
[20:29] <ryaxnb_> maco2, except i wasn't punching anybody now was i?
[20:29] <maco> ryaxnb_: as i said, more extreme
[20:29] <rocket16> Pici: Really, thanks for your help. The link is:http://pastebin.com/cpw2e93Z It is a log I got from my .xchat2 folder.
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> Saying No is an acceptable answer when somebody asks you to do something that you don't want to and you have been following the rules.
[20:30] <Myrtti> *punch* "black vw!" "stop it" "not until mum says so"
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> I didn't say "F*** off"
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> I just said no.
[20:30] <maco> the point is that if someone is bothered by what youre doing and asks you to stop, its a valid request even if they lack the authority to punish you
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> well, i didn't insult him because of his request
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> do you view the second line as an insult?
[20:30] <ryaxnb_> I just said no.
[20:31] <ryaxnb_> And said i wouldn't stop because i didn't feel like it, i had done nothing wrong, and he had no authority.
[20:31] <ryaxnb_> I didn't insult him at any time.
[20:31] <tsimpson> [20:05:51]<ryaxnb_> haha fakeop.
[20:31] <tsimpson> [20:05:56]<ryaxnb_> !ops IdleOne
[20:31] <tsimpson> this is not taunting him?
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> That was because he continued requesting
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> even after I said no.
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> that was a mistake.
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> anyway, the !ops call could have just as much been for violating the CoC by calling me a troll.
[20:32] <ryaxnb_> which is a legitmate violation, no?
[20:33] <tsimpson> you'd already responded to that message with "<ryaxnb_> i'm not trolling."
[20:33] <tsimpson> and "<ryaxnb_> I have legitmate points, even if you already know them, SpaceGhostC2C does not"
[20:33] <ryaxnb_> he didn't seem to agree, for he continued to ask me to stop and made no attempt to recant his comment
[20:33] <ryaxnb_> he also claimed authority.
[20:34] <tsimpson> he didn't ask you to stop after that, just that "<IdleOne> I just requested. I do not need to be an op. any user can request offtopic chat to be stopped"
[20:34] <tsimpson> which is not a claim to authority
[20:34] <ryaxnb_> seems like it
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> Because in truth a valid formal request (as  in  a request you must heed)
[20:35] <tsimpson> I think you both just got a little antagonistic towards each other, and took each message in its worst possible meaning
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> can only be made either if you violated the CoC or by an op.
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> anyway, that might be true
[20:35] <ryaxnb_> cya
[20:36] <tsimpson> ok, thanks for discussing this with us
[20:36] <rocket16> Pici: Friend, my sincere request, please stop those #ubuntu-offtopic people there, if possible,
[20:36] <Pici> rocket16: I don't seem to see you requesting to talk about any Ubuntu matters?  You asked if there were any Windows Haters in the channel (which didn't make a good impression).
[20:36] <ryaxnb_> I will now apologize to idleone btw
[20:37] <rocket16> Pici: But, that meant nothing but, a comparison between Ubuntu and Windows. I needed help, since Windows users always make fun of us.
[20:38] <rocket16> Pici: Also, that is an Ubuntu channel. In Windows channel, people insult Ubuntu a lot.
[20:38] <Pici> And the people in -offtopic are silly.  I'm not sure if its a language problem, but you seem to take exception to it.
[20:39] <Myrtti> since I don't hate Windows, I can be excluded from the group of possible helpers
[20:39] <rocket16> Pici: Oh, ok.
[20:39] <Pici> rocket16: That doesn't make it okay.
[20:39] <rocket16> Pici: Sorry, what doesn't make it okay?
[20:39] <Myrtti> also: their wrongdoings do not justify yours
[20:39] <Pici> rocket16: what Myrtti said
[20:40] <Myrtti> it's about you, not them. We don't care if someone else has been naughty, it doesn't justify you being naughty too. You are responsible for your own actions
[20:41] <Myrtti> Spreading antagonism always goes both ways, btw.
[20:41] <Myrtti> there's always backslash.
[20:41] <rocket16> Myrtti, Pici But they did it first, and as another user said, they never do welcome people, okay, but they drive people out. Anyway, I had to do wrong, since they did it. But really sorry, to see people supporting tis monstrosity. Anyway, no matter then.
[20:42] <Myrtti> what montrosity? huh?
[20:42] <maco> woah wait a second
[20:42] <maco> "i had to do wrong, since they did it"? no, you didn't *have* to. you *chose* to.
[20:43] <rocket16> Myrtti: Sorry, that is spelled "monstrosity" as I know. And, any person with self-respect can understand, the offtopic channel, is no one's property. This is monstrosity.
[20:43] <Pici> rocket16: I don't see people trying to drive you out.  I see you advocating hate, being asked not to, and then you retaliating because someone told you not to do something.
[20:43] <Pici> rocket16: No.  The channel is the responsiblity of the Ubuntu IRC Team and it has rules
[20:43] <Myrtti> rocket16: it's not "no one's channel". It has set owners, who have set the rules
[20:44] <maco> rocket16: i think it comes down to "people in ##windows may hate on ubuntu. no need to stoop to their level"
[20:44] <rocket16> Pici: May be, individual views may differ. But what they did, was not right, you may support them, but this does not cover their fault.
[20:44] <rocket16> Myrtti: The channel has owners? Do they pay for it? I don't think so. Anyway, bye.
[20:45] <Pici> rocket16: I believe that topyli already covered that, around line 1444
[20:45] <Pici> bah
[20:45] <Pici> lag
[20:45] <Pici> @mark rocket16
[20:45] <Myrtti> that was... interesting
[20:46] <maco> O_o
[20:46] <Myrtti> someone hasn't checked out their terminology charts
[20:46] <maco> Myrtti: or the definition of "2 wrongs" (hint: it's not "1 right")
[20:46] <topyli> nobody owns -ot? i wonder such ideas come from
[20:47] <maco> ryan & idle just had mutual apologies, by the way
[20:49] <maco> uhh freenode folks
[20:49] <maco> idoru just klined a user named AK for repeating twice in #ubuntu a request for a developer to look at their bug
[20:49] <maco> idoru thought it was spam
[20:49] <maco> Pici: are you a freenode folk?
[20:49] <Pici> maco: nope.
[20:49] <maco> mmm who is? cuz id say thats not a legitimate klin
[20:50] <maco> *kline
[20:50] <Pici> and it was a kill, not a kline (kick, not a ban)
[20:50] <maco> oooh
[20:50] <maco> i thought was the same thing
[20:50] <maco> you can server-kick?
[20:50] <Pici> I used to think so too
[20:50] <tsimpson> you just close the socket
[20:50] <maco> interesting
[21:10] <mneptok> two wrongs don't make a right. but three rights make a left.
[21:11] <persia> Only near the equator
[21:39] <output`> topyli: I'm not trying to be insolent.
[21:39] <topyli> output`, can we help you here?
[21:40] <output`> Well, I'm not kickbanned, so I think not.
[23:20] <yofel> hi, can someone please update the topic of #ubuntu+1 now that beta2 is out? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000131.html slangasek did it for -devel, but +1 still says beta1 released.
[23:40] <jpds> Seriously.
[23:42] <jpds> 23:40:26 < LinuxGuy2009>  jpds: Umm hello Im helping not asking questions. get it straight
[23:42] <jpds> Hi.
[23:43] <jpds> yofel: Doneth.
[23:43] <yofel> jpds: thanks! bye