[00:43] pleia2: You I'm not completely paying attention, but it seems these trolls are hitting #u-w and #freenode at the same time. And that fellow from before was klined/killed so I removed his bans. [00:43] thanks again Pici :) [05:35] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from ^b0ss^) [07:30] !staff [07:30] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [07:30] [09:29:50] In need of a free psyBNC or SHELL account? Simply go to www.freeunixshell.com and follow the instructions. [07:35] In ubottu, camshron said: karmic is not stable i ran into alot of probs installing it for clients [07:52] morning jussi01 [07:52] morning knome [07:53] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:53] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:53] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [08:07] good morning [08:11] morning daniel [09:53] cyclical troll is cyclical [10:08] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from allowoverride) [11:24] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from yoda___) [13:10] someone masquarading as dr-willis? [13:11] yay, idoru killed it [13:11] although it seems to have killed a legitimate user too, [13:11] TylerPlack1: Can we help you? [13:13] Pici: he doesn't answer since yesterday [13:13] toodles [13:14] tomaw: ping, possible issue with idoru (not an immediately serious one though). [13:15] that user looked familair, checking logs now [13:15] Pici: oh? [13:17] tomaw: Looks like if a nick repeats what another user has said a buch of times, it removes both the legitimate user, and the bot. See scrollback in #ubuntu for dr_willis1 and autoclesis for example. [13:17] * [Dr_Willis1] (~dhanesh@117.206.17.222): purple [13:17] Probably not a big problem, but I don't want to see people exploiting this to get good users killed by idoru. [13:18] hrm [13:29] bazhang: banforwarding here [13:32] Dr_Willis1, hi [13:32] hi bazhang [13:33] Dr_Willis1, this is neoraj ? [13:33] what is that neoraj [13:33] Dr_Willis1, your previous nickname to this one [13:34] bazhang: I don't see that in my logs. [13:34] no no bazhang [13:34] Dr_Willis1, okay, what was it then? [13:35] what are you asking i dont understand [13:36] what are you asking i dont understand bazhang [13:37] Dr_Willis1: is your usual nick Dr_Willis (without the 1)? [13:37] bazhang: I need to run for a few minutes, can you figure out what this fellow was doing? [13:37] yes it is bazhang [13:37] Pici, sure [13:37] with the repeating and whatnot. [13:38] with the repeating and whatnot. [13:38] Dr_Willis1, you were repeating what other users were.. [13:38] Dr_Willis1: do you remember the password you created when you registered the nick Dr_Willis? [13:38] how are you bazhang [13:38] back in a moment [13:39] yes mneptok why are you asking that [13:40] Dr_Willis1: please use "/msg NickServ ghost Dr_Willis $PASSWORD" (using the correct password for your nick) to disconnect the other Dr_Willis client. [13:40] oh i understand mneptok [13:40] great. please do that now. [13:41] sexy [13:41] sexy mneptok [13:42] michael jackson do you like mneptok [13:42] not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? [13:42] what do you mean mneptok [13:43] exactly. [13:43] !staff Dr_Willis1 impersonating other users and feebly trolling. like, very feebly. it's not even schadenfreude-type amusing. [13:43] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:44] gah [13:44] what exactly [13:44] !staff [13:44] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [13:44] ^^^^^^ [13:44] he is spoofing Dr_willis [13:45] still not found that user in logs, will continue to look [13:46] 06:05 -!- greekphreak [~dhanesh@117.206.17.222] has joined #ubuntu [13:46] nice :) [13:46] 06:22 -!- dhanesh [~dhanesh@117.206.17.222] has joined #ubuntu [13:47] a g: on that IP would be most welcome [13:49] also in as dhanesh right now [13:51] dhanesh, hi [13:54] dhanesh, you are forwarded here, as you were using the nick Dr_Willis1 and had some kind of repeater script on [13:54] dhanesh, you are forwarded here, as you were using the nick Dr_Willis1 and had some kind of repeater script on [13:55] yikes [13:55] one of the clinical definitions of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different outcome. [13:55] buttons make me do that [13:55] i have banned from #ubuntu please tell them to retake me bazhang [13:56] dhanesh1, you were spoofing another users nickname and repeating multiple times others users input [13:56] dhanesh1, specifically Dr_Willis1 [13:56] please tell them to retake me iam forgiving them bazhang [13:57] dhanesh1, forgiving who? [13:57] *sigh* [13:57] forgiving #ubuntu people bazhang [13:58] dhanesh1, you were the one doing something wrong [13:58] whoops [13:58] dhanesh, [13:58] wheee! [13:58] well this could take a while [13:58] hehe [13:58] oops. bazhang ^still here [13:59] knome, I think it died [13:59] that didn't make much sense. :) [13:59] probably, but weird still [13:59] likely bazhang1 is next nick [13:59] hehe [13:59] or dazhang? [14:00] iam sorry [14:00] ghmol, okay...ugh [14:01] hah [14:01] gotcha! [14:01] ;] [14:01] bbl -> [14:12] In ubottu, Pici said: no zork-#ubuntu-oftopic is You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here. [14:12] @login [14:12] The operation succeeded. [14:12] <.< [14:13] put house in mailbox [14:30] /connect Freenode [14:30] "You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike" [14:30] /join #ubuntu [14:31] "You are in danger of being eaten by a grue." [14:39] * [dhanesh] (~dhanesh@117.206.17.168): purple ban evading it seems [14:45] what are you doing mneptok [14:45] putting an end to your ban evasion. [14:45] why mneptok [14:46] why are you doing this to me mneptok [14:46] ban evasion is against Freenode policy [14:47] please dont do iam sorry mneptok [14:47] why did you impersonate another user? [14:47] why did you repeat inputlines of other users? [14:47] why did you evade a ban? [14:48] i'm quite interested to know these things. [14:48] as are other ops. [14:48] no i will do not do it again sorry if i do again you can do it [14:49] the question was not "will you do it again?" but "why did you do it?" [14:50] just played sorry [14:50] can you retake me mneptok [14:51] i have no confidence that your remorse is sincere. [14:52] no no iam sorry [14:52] thus, the ban will stay in effect for at least 24 hours. feel free to /join this channel after that to discuss things. [14:52] why mneptok [14:52] iam sorry [14:53] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consequences [14:53] oh good idea mneptok [14:53] thank you very much [14:54] you're quite welcome. see you in 24 hours if you're still interested in getting the ban removed. [14:54] we are friends from now onwards [14:54] what do you mean mneptok [14:55] yes iam interested in removing ban [14:55] i mean "/part this channel and return in 24 hours if you want to discuss the ban" [14:55] dhanesh, return in 24 hours to discuss [14:55] whoops sorry [14:55] there will be no further discussion of it today. [14:56] ok ok sorry iam forgiving you [14:57] will you forgive me [14:58] will you forgive me mneptok [14:58] dhanesh, please return in 24 hrs. [14:58] ok bazhang [14:59] dhanesh, until that time you need to exit the channel [14:59] ok now i will exit [14:59] bye [14:59] sorry to interrupt mneptok [15:00] no worries [15:00] it's alright bazhang, dhanesh forgives you [15:00] topyli, haha [15:00] bazhang: sexy interrupt forgive you how are you do you like cheese [15:01] heh [15:01] :0 [15:01] either a language barrier, or a troll. i can't tell [15:03] trolls like cheese :) [15:43] * Mamarok likes cheese, too [15:44] mmm, cheese [15:56] Keep them away from my brie! [15:56] ewww [15:56] Cheddar for me! [15:56] triple cream brie... omnomnom [15:56] cheese stinks [15:56] or a nice havarti [16:05] Gruyère here :) [16:06] i cultivate some lovely stuff between my toes. hearty and smoky, and playful on the afterbite. [16:11] smells like one of Switzerland's most smelly cheeses: Appenzeller [20:06] can someone please ask ryax.. to stop the windows/troll talk in -offtopic [20:06] thank you [20:10] guess who? [20:10] I feel it is unfair that someone has to stop when another person demands it. [20:11] This rule doesn't seem to be enforced or clearly seperated and could easily be spammed [20:11] For instance, i could (but i won't) spam the !stop to get everyone to stop talking randomly and until i was banned, everyone would have to comply? Seems strange. [20:12] Common sense is required as well. [20:12] well, i again feel i was abiding by the code of conduct [20:12] i looked it over. [20:12] There is nothing in there that says that legitmate rants are prohibited. [20:12] As long as they are directed at products not people. [20:13] It does say hate is discouraged, but i wasn't hating. [20:13] respect for others is also a part of the CoC, you should respect that others disagree with you [20:13] i read that as well. [20:13] i respect that. [20:13] Idleone did not [20:13] He was demanding I stop. [20:13] Even though it was just a disagreement [20:13] where did he "demand" this? [20:14] Friends, the Channel #ubuntu-offtopic is owned by a few people like Atomik-spark, Bazhang and so on. [20:14] And according to the CoC, that is no call to stop, so much as to consult others. [20:14] They all, offend newcomers like me, and they even ban us, when we want to discuss anything there. [20:14] And, even more, they never discuss Ubuntu matters, but all rubbish things. [20:14] I just requested. I do not need to be an op. any user can request offtopic chat to be stopped [20:14] from idleone [20:15] I request the respected Operators here, to take an action. [20:15] that sounds like he is saying he has the same authority as an op to "request" (read: annoy me until i stop) [20:15] rocket16: Do you have an active ban in -offtopic right now? [20:15] when according to the CoC we should consult others [20:15] Pici: No, when I tried to discuss an Ubuntu matter, they banned me temporarily, [20:15] ryaxnb_: that's not how I interpret that message at all [20:16] To see where the disagreement lies. [20:16] rocket16: it's called "offtopic" for a reason, so dont be surprised at the lack of ubuntu chatter [20:16] maco: Thanks, but they should not insult us like that, [20:16] For instance, IMHO we should have IDK, maybe asked spaceghost and dmsuperman, who were also in the debate [20:16] rocket16: one moment. [20:16] if it should continue on or if we were all pooped out. [20:16] ryaxnb_: an operator taking action is always the last resort, the rules are always bets enforced by the community [20:16] maco: Also, we too, have the freedom to discuss light-weight Ubuntu matters, but not anything rubbish there. [20:17] Pici: Sure, [20:17] tsimpson, i realise that. [20:17] but frankly i wasn't doing anything wrong. [20:18] So the rules are a bit iffy, because he was requesting forcefully at a point when I had done nothing. [20:18] He wasn't being very respectful, calling me a troll when i clearly had no intention of trolling [20:18] The four people, who always do insults there are "UberNacho, Atomik-spark, Seveas, buzhang" [20:19] on the contrary, i was attempting a lively debate with spaceghostc2c [20:19] rocket16, it is AtomicSpark and UberTaco. [20:19] IRIC [20:19] ryaxnb_: Yes, but UberTaco renamed himself to be UberNacho for a while [20:19] anyway [20:19] I will leave once i get an answer. [20:20] Do you think honestly , IdleOne was being disrespectful [20:20] I believe he was. [20:20] and inconsiderate as well. [20:20] let me read over the back scroll for -offtopic [20:21] you are scrolling the chat like a troll now [20:21] -IdleOne [20:21] 12:04 PM PST. [20:22] IdleOne 12:02 PM PST /rantcount ryaxnb [20:22] 5 bajillion zillion million lines [20:25] rocket16: Can you give me an example of someone insulting you? I'm looking through my logs, but things aren't exactly clear. [20:25] and also, back to my original compaint, stopping on a dime is unreasonable. Especially when you haven't gone against the CoC or any of the documents i've seen regarding how to behave on #ubuntu-offtopic [20:26] Pici: Sure, may I post it to pastebin? [20:26] ryaxnb_: all he did was ask you to stop the windows related discussion, he could have been more tactful sure [20:26] rocket16: Sure [20:26] did you see my quotes [20:26] he called me a troll and a ranter. [20:26] that's more than asking to stop. [20:26] ryaxnb_: I have the full log myself [20:26] I can see it now [20:27] well if you claim he "just asked me to stop" [20:27] your missing something [20:27] because those two lines indicate he also insulted me in a minor way [20:27] ryaxnb_: i think tsimpson was still reading [20:27] which unlike asking someone to stop, is AGAINST the CoC [20:27] maco2: ah. [20:28] ryaxnb_: your response to "please stop" was: [20:28] OK [20:28] IdleOne, no. [20:28] i will stop if an op requests ... [20:28] was that also disrespectful? [20:28] I realise that may not have been the best response [20:28] or were you two just getting a little heated? [20:28] I do not feel it was disrepectful. [20:28] It's not an either-or choice. [20:28] "stop punching me!" "not until a police officer tells me to!" sounds like a more extreme version of your answer [20:28] The real answer is it was not disrespectful because as i had done nothing wrong. [20:29] I simply said no [20:29] maco2, except i wasn't punching anybody now was i? [20:29] ryaxnb_: as i said, more extreme [20:29] Pici: Really, thanks for your help. The link is:http://pastebin.com/cpw2e93Z It is a log I got from my .xchat2 folder. [20:30] Saying No is an acceptable answer when somebody asks you to do something that you don't want to and you have been following the rules. [20:30] *punch* "black vw!" "stop it" "not until mum says so" [20:30] I didn't say "F*** off" [20:30] I just said no. [20:30] the point is that if someone is bothered by what youre doing and asks you to stop, its a valid request even if they lack the authority to punish you [20:30] well, i didn't insult him because of his request [20:30] do you view the second line as an insult? [20:30] I just said no. [20:31] And said i wouldn't stop because i didn't feel like it, i had done nothing wrong, and he had no authority. [20:31] I didn't insult him at any time. [20:31] [20:05:51] haha fakeop. [20:31] [20:05:56] !ops IdleOne [20:31] this is not taunting him? [20:32] That was because he continued requesting [20:32] even after I said no. [20:32] that was a mistake. [20:32] anyway, the !ops call could have just as much been for violating the CoC by calling me a troll. [20:32] which is a legitmate violation, no? [20:33] you'd already responded to that message with " i'm not trolling." [20:33] and " I have legitmate points, even if you already know them, SpaceGhostC2C does not" [20:33] he didn't seem to agree, for he continued to ask me to stop and made no attempt to recant his comment [20:33] he also claimed authority. [20:34] he didn't ask you to stop after that, just that " I just requested. I do not need to be an op. any user can request offtopic chat to be stopped" [20:34] which is not a claim to authority [20:34] seems like it [20:35] Because in truth a valid formal request (as in a request you must heed) [20:35] I think you both just got a little antagonistic towards each other, and took each message in its worst possible meaning [20:35] can only be made either if you violated the CoC or by an op. [20:35] anyway, that might be true [20:35] cya [20:36] ok, thanks for discussing this with us [20:36] Pici: Friend, my sincere request, please stop those #ubuntu-offtopic people there, if possible, [20:36] rocket16: I don't seem to see you requesting to talk about any Ubuntu matters? You asked if there were any Windows Haters in the channel (which didn't make a good impression). [20:36] I will now apologize to idleone btw [20:37] Pici: But, that meant nothing but, a comparison between Ubuntu and Windows. I needed help, since Windows users always make fun of us. [20:38] Pici: Also, that is an Ubuntu channel. In Windows channel, people insult Ubuntu a lot. [20:38] And the people in -offtopic are silly. I'm not sure if its a language problem, but you seem to take exception to it. [20:39] since I don't hate Windows, I can be excluded from the group of possible helpers [20:39] Pici: Oh, ok. [20:39] rocket16: That doesn't make it okay. [20:39] Pici: Sorry, what doesn't make it okay? [20:39] also: their wrongdoings do not justify yours [20:39] rocket16: what Myrtti said [20:40] it's about you, not them. We don't care if someone else has been naughty, it doesn't justify you being naughty too. You are responsible for your own actions [20:41] Spreading antagonism always goes both ways, btw. [20:41] there's always backslash. [20:41] Myrtti, Pici But they did it first, and as another user said, they never do welcome people, okay, but they drive people out. Anyway, I had to do wrong, since they did it. But really sorry, to see people supporting tis monstrosity. Anyway, no matter then. [20:42] what montrosity? huh? [20:42] woah wait a second [20:42] "i had to do wrong, since they did it"? no, you didn't *have* to. you *chose* to. [20:43] Myrtti: Sorry, that is spelled "monstrosity" as I know. And, any person with self-respect can understand, the offtopic channel, is no one's property. This is monstrosity. [20:43] rocket16: I don't see people trying to drive you out. I see you advocating hate, being asked not to, and then you retaliating because someone told you not to do something. [20:43] rocket16: No. The channel is the responsiblity of the Ubuntu IRC Team and it has rules [20:43] rocket16: it's not "no one's channel". It has set owners, who have set the rules [20:44] rocket16: i think it comes down to "people in ##windows may hate on ubuntu. no need to stoop to their level" [20:44] Pici: May be, individual views may differ. But what they did, was not right, you may support them, but this does not cover their fault. [20:44] Myrtti: The channel has owners? Do they pay for it? I don't think so. Anyway, bye. [20:45] rocket16: I believe that topyli already covered that, around line 1444 [20:45] bah [20:45] lag [20:45] @mark rocket16 [20:45] The operation succeeded. [20:45] that was... interesting [20:46] O_o [20:46] someone hasn't checked out their terminology charts [20:46] Myrtti: or the definition of "2 wrongs" (hint: it's not "1 right") [20:46] nobody owns -ot? i wonder such ideas come from [20:47] ryan & idle just had mutual apologies, by the way [20:49] uhh freenode folks [20:49] idoru just klined a user named AK for repeating twice in #ubuntu a request for a developer to look at their bug [20:49] idoru thought it was spam [20:49] Pici: are you a freenode folk? [20:49] maco: nope. [20:49] mmm who is? cuz id say thats not a legitimate klin [20:50] *kline [20:50] and it was a kill, not a kline (kick, not a ban) [20:50] oooh [20:50] i thought was the same thing [20:50] you can server-kick? [20:50] I used to think so too [20:50] you just close the socket [20:50] interesting [21:10] two wrongs don't make a right. but three rights make a left. [21:11] Only near the equator [21:39] topyli: I'm not trying to be insolent. [21:39] output`, can we help you here? [21:40] Well, I'm not kickbanned, so I think not. [22:08] Trek called the ops in #ubuntu (invitado05) [22:08] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (invitado05) [23:05] maco called the ops in #ubuntu (Anon__ inappropriate) [23:20] hi, can someone please update the topic of #ubuntu+1 now that beta2 is out? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000131.html slangasek did it for -devel, but +1 still says beta1 released. [23:39] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (LinuxGuy2009 being continuously disrespectful of others) [23:40] Seriously. [23:42] 23:40:26 < LinuxGuy2009> jpds: Umm hello Im helping not asking questions. get it straight [23:42] Hi. [23:43] yofel: Doneth. [23:43] jpds: thanks! bye