| dholbach | good morning | 08:07 |
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| Pendulum | meeting is in an hour, right? | 12:01 |
| akgraner | Pendulum, yep :-) | 12:03 |
| * Pendulum heads out. | 12:03 | |
| Pendulum | will make as much of it as I can! | 12:04 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: so meeting is UTC +1 and not UTC :) | 12:18 |
| akgraner | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=8&year=2010&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 | 12:19 |
| akgraner | I just went with time and date so I guess it is +1 gotta love time changes | 12:20 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: which was why I mailed saying smack bang in the middle of my day | 12:20 |
| czajkowski | where as UTC+1 is lunchtime :) | 12:20 |
| akgraner | I'm sorry about that - there is no one perfect time - which is why were are trying the 2200 and 1200 to see who can attend which time and dates | 12:22 |
| akgraner | no matter what time - someone gets left out :-( | 12:23 |
| czajkowski | yarp | 12:23 |
| czajkowski | I know | 12:23 |
| svaksha | ah, my server time says 1400 | 12:54 |
| akgraner | Good Morning! meeting in 2 minutes :-) | 12:58 |
| akgraner | Alrighty it's time for the meeting | 13:00 |
| akgraner | #startmeeting | 13:00 |
| Mootbot-UK | Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is akgraner. | 13:00 |
| Mootbot-UK | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 13:00 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today? | 13:01 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today? | 13:01 |
| * svaksha waves | 13:01 | |
| * pleia2 waves | 13:01 | |
| akgraner | awesome :-) | 13:02 |
| akgraner | here is the agenda | 13:02 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda | 13:02 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda | 13:02 |
| akgraner | hopefully a few other people will join in as we go through the agenda | 13:03 |
| * svaksha suggests moving the 1200 UTC meets to saturday or sunday | 13:03 | |
| akgraner | so today is the 1st meeting are trying the rotating meeting time | 13:03 |
| svaksha | for EU folks its work time | 13:04 |
| akgraner | I can't do the weekends I have other commitments :-( | 13:04 |
| pleia2 | it's 5AM here ;) | 13:04 |
| akgraner | that's why on the 4th Thurs we are doing 2200UTC | 13:04 |
| svaksha | heh, the TZ thing is tough :) | 13:04 |
| IdleOne | it is 8 am here on my day off :/ | 13:04 |
| IdleOne | good morning :) | 13:04 |
| akgraner | good morning | 13:05 |
| svaksha | good evening :) | 13:05 |
| IdleOne | yes and good evening to those in different TZ | 13:05 |
| akgraner | we may have to adjust the 2nd Thursday time and see what is better but at least we are now trying the rotating meeting times | 13:05 |
| akgraner | ok so at the last meeting we looked at the goals for the -M cycle | 13:06 |
| akgraner | I still have to finish the blueprints but we have 3 items to start | 13:07 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - Blog / Website revamp | 13:07 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - Blog / Website revamp | 13:07 |
| pleia2 | I think the consensus on list was that we go to canonical first for a drupal site | 13:07 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - Mentoring Program | 13:07 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - Mentoring Program | 13:07 |
| akgraner | pleia2, that is how I understood it | 13:08 |
| IdleOne | I also think that going to Canonical first for hosting would be the best | 13:08 |
| pleia2 | mentoring is a go | 13:09 |
| akgraner | and logo | 13:09 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] logo was the 3rd item | 13:09 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: logo was the 3rd item | 13:09 |
| pleia2 | which is probably just a typeface update, but more discussion I guess? | 13:09 |
| akgraner | It is my understanding that we only want the font changed | 13:09 |
| pleia2 | anyone know when we'll have the new font? | 13:10 |
| akgraner | I thought it was supposed to be by the 29th but I could be confusing it with something else | 13:10 |
| svaksha | +1 on the drupal and using the UW LP logo with font changes | 13:10 |
| pleia2 | since the logo is turning out to be small, maybe tossing the ongoing translations things on the blueprint is worthwhile? | 13:11 |
| akgraner | great :-) we have a plan | 13:11 |
| * svaksha wonders if it will be possible to get ubuntu in orange and women in purple colored fonts in the logo? | 13:12 | |
| akgraner | pleia2, that is a great idea | 13:12 |
| akgraner | sure we can try it | 13:12 |
| IdleOne | I would say that the translation project is going to be a long term project. There is always going to be something to add/translate to the wiki pages | 13:13 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: sure, but we can set a few goals :) | 13:13 |
| IdleOne | yup :) | 13:13 |
| pleia2 | like fine-tune the process, have x languages done | 13:13 |
| IdleOne | absolutely | 13:13 |
| * Mamarok waves | 13:13 | |
| pleia2 | hey Mamarok | 13:13 |
| IdleOne | hello Mamarok | 13:13 |
| akgraner | the goals as I see it is standardizing the program - fixing links etc | 13:13 |
| svaksha | Mamarok: | 13:13 |
| akgraner | Mamarok, hey! | 13:13 |
| Mamarok | hi all | 13:14 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: agreed | 13:14 |
| akgraner | pleia2, since you suggested the translation project be added to the blueprints - does anyone object to discussion that now | 13:15 |
| svaksha | no | 13:15 |
| Mamarok | no | 13:15 |
| akgraner | and then I can circle back to World Play Day | 13:15 |
| akgraner | great! thanks | 13:16 |
| akgraner | So I am going to post all the topics for translations | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40 | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] AllPages | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] WeShouldFix | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40 | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: AllPages | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: WeShouldFix | 13:16 |
| svaksha | akgraner: it will also be worthwhile to identify a few guardians for the page as per the language, for MIA situations | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] Translators | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] HowToTranslateWiki | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:16 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] Comments from dpm -- akgraner 2010-04-07 22:40:30 | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: Translators | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: HowToTranslateWiki | 13:16 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: Comments from dpm -- akgraner 2010-04-07 22:40:30 | 13:16 |
| akgraner | svaksha, yep those are the things we need to iron out | 13:17 |
| pleia2 | probably want to do one at a time :) | 13:17 |
| akgraner | yep I just want to get them in the channel :-) | 13:17 |
| akgraner | I accidentally just the window :-) | 13:17 |
| pleia2 | well, if you do [TOPIC] then discuss it, mootbot puts a nice placeholder in the logs | 13:17 |
| akgraner | :-) | 13:18 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40 | 13:18 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40 | 13:18 |
| pleia2 | anyway, I put this on the agenda because it came upon us pretty abruptly last week | 13:18 |
| pleia2 | and it was quickly apparent that it's quite a project :) | 13:18 |
| akgraner | tell me when you want each point pleia2 and I will post them | 13:19 |
| pleia2 | sounds good | 13:19 |
| pleia2 | plus the enthusiasm on the list was great, and it's a good initiative | 13:19 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: next! | 13:19 |
| * svaksha agrees | 13:19 | |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] AllPages | 13:19 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: AllPages | 13:19 |
| pleia2 | so this is a page that akgraner put together | 13:19 |
| akgraner | [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/AllPages | 13:20 |
| Mootbot-UK | LINK received: - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/AllPages | 13:20 |
| pleia2 | she's maintaining keeping it up to date with all the pages, so no worries there for now (I had maintainability concerns) | 13:20 |
| pleia2 | I added the little icons | 13:20 |
| pleia2 | it's mostly so we can get a visualization of where we stand as a whole | 13:20 |
| IdleOne | I just wanted to report that the UW Frech pages are coming along nicely. I have been keeping an eye on them and we have 5 pages complete with 4-5 people who have been working on them doing translation and typo fixing also. :) | 13:20 |
| pleia2 | then we can drill down in to the vital parts fo r translations | 13:20 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: great! | 13:21 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, thanks that is great! | 13:21 |
| pleia2 | maybe in the Translations table we can do svaksha's idea of having a "guardian" for each lang to do what IdleOne is doing for Fr? | 13:21 |
| akgraner | I like that idea | 13:21 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: yes I think that is a good idea also | 13:21 |
| svaksha | s/guardian/maintainer sounds better? | 13:21 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - Point of contact for each langauge | 13:21 |
| pleia2 | but back to AllPages, you can see we have a lot of pages we need to discuss whether they are translation-worthy | 13:21 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - Point of contact for each langauge | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | this is mostly because "I don't know" | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | I == me :) | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | not sure how to tackle this, but we should at some point, maybe bring a few topics to a meeting to discuss, or toss a few on the list every couple of weeks | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | any comments, or shall we move on to WeShouldFix ? | 13:22 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - add translation page topics agenda | 13:23 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - add translation page topics agenda | 13:23 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] WeShouldFix | 13:23 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: WeShouldFix | 13:23 |
| pleia2 | so elky made this page when she did all the work on the wiki | 13:23 |
| akgraner | [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WeShouldFix | 13:23 |
| Mootbot-UK | LINK received: - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WeShouldFix | 13:23 |
| elky | ooh, meeting | 13:23 |
| pleia2 | it's nice to see what you really-should-not-translate right now | 13:23 |
| pleia2 | but I'm not entirely sure of it's place at the moment since we're also maintaining "PagesNeedingTranslated" | 13:24 |
| akgraner | hey elky! | 13:24 |
| pleia2 | as I see it we should keep both for now and see how things evolve | 13:24 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: one central page would be easier to keep track of | 13:24 |
| elky | i've been in another window, didn't notice the time. sorry all. | 13:24 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: yeah, but I'm not sure which will ultimately be the more useful and maintainable | 13:25 |
| elky | IdleOne, "once central page" could easily become a monolith if you include the translation statuses | 13:25 |
| akgraner | I think the WeShouldFIx is for pages other than translations as well yes? | 13:25 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 13:25 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: that is also a reason why we need Maintainers for the project | 13:25 |
| elky | link the translation stuff /from/ the "one central page" | 13:25 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: yes | 13:25 |
| akgraner | so we can pull translations off the fix page and link the translation table to the fix page if that sorta brings them together | 13:26 |
| * pleia2 nods | 13:26 | |
| akgraner | hehe elky didn't see your comment | 13:26 |
| elky | akgraner, great minds, hon | 13:26 |
| akgraner | yeppers | 13:26 |
| pleia2 | I don't translate so I don't know what the best workflow will be, so we'll be depending upon the translators here | 13:26 |
| pleia2 | but I think for now having both hanging out there is ok :) | 13:26 |
| pleia2 | so, PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:27 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:27 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:27 |
| elky | (the translators who we appreciate very very very very very much! -- thanks again!) | 13:27 |
| akgraner | [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:27 |
| Mootbot-UK | LINK received: - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated | 13:27 |
| pleia2 | another visual representation of status | 13:27 |
| IdleOne | Well this is what I think. We leave the pages as they are now and continue translating until we figure out what the best way of maintaining is | 13:27 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: do we have someone in charge of updating this page? | 13:28 |
| pleia2 | I see this as something that will evolve too | 13:28 |
| akgraner | each translator is doing a great job for adding stuff | 13:28 |
| pleia2 | great | 13:28 |
| akgraner | but - on sundays when I verify the all pages stuff | 13:28 |
| * pleia2 nods | 13:28 | |
| akgraner | I also verify what columns need shading if any | 13:29 |
| akgraner | but if someone wants to take ownership of all that :-) | 13:29 |
| pleia2 | fwiw, ChallengingSexism is one of my "lets talk about" pages since it links to all english articles | 13:29 |
| akgraner | please let me know | 13:29 |
| elky | pleia2, there's nothing stopping us linking to a google translate page for those articles, you know | 13:29 |
| IdleOne | ilke+1 | 13:30 |
| IdleOne | elky+1 :/ | 13:30 |
| pleia2 | elky: yep, same is true for our other links pages (Links and WomenAchievers) | 13:30 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - Maintainer for PagesNeedingTranslated and AllPages | 13:30 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - Maintainer for PagesNeedingTranslated and AllPages | 13:30 |
| IdleOne | haha typing fail there | 13:30 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] use google translate to translate articles | 13:31 |
| pleia2 | plus we need to simply go through ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers to see what's what, I think there is some overlap | 13:31 |
| elky | brb, zapping food or dinner is going to end up being a bag of jubes :-/ | 13:31 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: use google translate to translate articles | 13:31 |
| * svaksha thinks tha page is very useful | 13:31 | |
| svaksha | that * | 13:31 |
| svaksha | translations would be even better | 13:31 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - cleaning up ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers prior to translating | 13:31 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - cleaning up ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers prior to translating | 13:31 |
| pleia2 | anyway - another comment on PagesNeedingTranslated I marked "Ideas" on AllPages as "Translate page idea, not content" | 13:32 |
| pleia2 | not sure how to communicate this on that table | 13:32 |
| elky | back | 13:32 |
| akgraner | the pages to hold off on are marked in read for don't translate (yet) | 13:32 |
| akgraner | red | 13:32 |
| akgraner | dang typing fail! | 13:33 |
| pleia2 | but some pages like this are scratchboards for people, not really translateable content, and may be useful as pages that people of different languges can use | 13:33 |
| pleia2 | so if you're in france and have an idea, toss it on Fr/Ideas | 13:33 |
| elky | I think one area we need to focus translations on is the resources too | 13:33 |
| pleia2 | elky: good idea | 13:34 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] identify how to show what topics vs pages need translating | 13:34 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: identify how to show what topics vs pages need translating | 13:34 |
| pleia2 | I think that's all I had for PagesNeedingTranslated, we'll update it from AllPages as we discuss what else we want to see translated :) | 13:34 |
| pleia2 | thanks for your work on that akgraner! | 13:35 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - add resources to the translation table - by resource | 13:35 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - add resources to the translation table - by resource | 13:35 |
| akgraner | pleia2, :-) wikis and I are friends *now* :-) | 13:35 |
| akgraner | ready for the next item pleia2? | 13:36 |
| elky | We should also consider asking for some language-specific MLs for the teams working on these pages | 13:36 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: yeah | 13:36 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] work out localization resources | 13:37 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: work out localization resources | 13:37 |
| pleia2 | I think a language specific mailing list may be a little overkill tbh | 13:37 |
| akgraner | (not to be confused with LoCo teams) | 13:37 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] Translators | 13:37 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: Translators | 13:37 |
| Mamarok | pleia2: JFYI, French is not only spoken in France :) | 13:37 |
| pleia2 | Mamarok: I know, it was an example :) | 13:37 |
| Mamarok | OK | 13:37 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne is in canada | 13:37 |
| pleia2 | and issyl0 is in the uk! | 13:37 |
| IdleOne | Canada* | 13:37 |
| IdleOne | :P | 13:37 |
| pleia2 | both are french translators | 13:38 |
| elky | Canuckistan* | 13:38 |
| IdleOne | hehe | 13:38 |
| pleia2 | so, Translators | 13:38 |
| pleia2 | I think the page is pretty decent | 13:38 |
| IdleOne | Canuckistanians are nice peoples | 13:38 |
| pleia2 | if a team does decide to have a mailing list, I think the link would go here | 13:38 |
| akgraner | [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators | 13:38 |
| Mootbot-UK | LINK received: - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators | 13:38 |
| pleia2 | or they can just keep in contact via direct emails | 13:38 |
| akgraner | also who the point of contacts would go on here as well I would thinkg | 13:39 |
| akgraner | think | 13:39 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 13:39 |
| elky | I'm also thinking about the teams leading the translation being able to seed language-specific UW groups | 13:39 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: I agree that for now language specific ml's is a bit much | 13:39 |
| akgraner | I can set you the same list of languages for this page then columns for stuff based on the resources for each language | 13:39 |
| pleia2 | elky: yeah, for http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Languages (which I forgot to add to the agenda) | 13:40 |
| svaksha | isnt that the loco's responsibility <-- language specific | 13:40 |
| akgraner | so language - name - IRC name - email - mailing list when/if - forum when/if etc | 13:40 |
| pleia2 | svaksha: we can certainly ask the locos to help | 13:41 |
| svaksha | ofcourse you will have different versions of spanish, french, etc | 13:41 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: instead of discussing HowToTranslateWiki directly, want to just talk about your discussion with dpm? | 13:41 |
| akgraner | sure | 13:42 |
| pleia2 | (or both at once :)) | 13:42 |
| akgraner | let me drop the link in :-) | 13:42 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] HowToTranslateWiki | 13:42 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: HowToTranslateWiki | 13:42 |
| elky | svaksha, not really. I see it as a partnership between UW and the LoCo "sections" | 13:43 |
| IdleOne | svaksha: the differences for me at least in French is when it is spoken. written French is/should be constant when properly done | 13:43 |
| akgraner | [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki | 13:43 |
| Mootbot-UK | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki | 13:43 |
| pleia2 | this is an old page that clytie created back when she was involved in 2006 | 13:43 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] Comments from dpm | 13:43 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: Comments from dpm | 13:43 |
| pleia2 | tons of great content, but we weren't sure how up to date it was | 13:43 |
| pleia2 | so akgraner took it translations guru dpm | 13:43 |
| akgraner | so I talked to dpm | 13:43 |
| akgraner | and he took a look at it - and said that other than the broken links there were very minor changes | 13:44 |
| elky | yay | 13:45 |
| elky | less work is good! | 13:45 |
| akgraner | dpm said it's minor but the abbreviations for the languages should be for example /fr/ instead of /Fr/ | 13:45 |
| akgraner | he said minor but that would keep it consistent throughout the Ubuntu Project | 13:45 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: do you know if there is a page like this on wiki.ubuntu.com ? | 13:45 |
| akgraner | I have to get that I asked for one but he didn't give me a link | 13:46 |
| pleia2 | if we're just duplicating data here, it's not great and we want to reference standard translation processes where possible | 13:46 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: from what I read, wiki standards use /Fr | 13:46 |
| akgraner | I'll find one though | 13:46 |
| IdleOne | I could be wrong though | 13:46 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 13:46 |
| elky | IdleOne, wiki standards or Ubuntu Wiki standards? | 13:46 |
| akgraner | he also said that instead of saying - shoudl join translation team | 13:47 |
| elky | (not necessarily the same :() | 13:47 |
| IdleOne | elky: ubuntu wiki standards | 13:47 |
| svaksha | elky: agreed, but you will find some opposition to having a team of women in locos , even if it includes men. this is if you are suggesting having a team , that is | 13:47 |
| akgraner | no not wiki standards | 13:47 |
| akgraner | Ubuntu translation team standards | 13:47 |
| svaksha | IdleOne: absolutely, that is true for almost all languages | 13:47 |
| akgraner | but I will get examples and clarification | 13:47 |
| pleia2 | thanks akgraner | 13:47 |
| akgraner | say encouraged to visit, talk to , etc the translation team | 13:48 |
| akgraner | he said not to make is sound like something they had to do to help | 13:48 |
| pleia2 | good idea | 13:48 |
| akgraner | all super easy corrections | 13:48 |
| * pleia2 nods | 13:48 | |
| svaksha | pleia2: yes, asking loco teams for generic help works well | 13:48 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: you want to take care of the cleanup for now, or should I? | 13:49 |
| pleia2 | I can work on it later today | 13:49 |
| akgraner | he also said that we have taken the translation process one step farther with the table and the color coding and he loved it | 13:49 |
| elky | svaksha, we english-speaking folks have here. the scared french-only folks or german-only folks are already largely excluded by the lingua franca of the project. I'd like for them to find a place of inclusiveness just like we've had the privilege of doing. If the loco isn't decent enough to do it, I don't see why we should stay on that level. | 13:49 |
| akgraner | pleia2, if you can that would be great! | 13:49 |
| pleia2 | ok, action me at that :) | 13:49 |
| Mamarok | IdleOne: Fr would only make sense if this was an actual page, else it should be fr | 13:50 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] - pleia2 to clean up wiki translation pages per dpm's suggestions | 13:50 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: - pleia2 to clean up wiki translation pages per dpm's suggestions | 13:50 |
| svaksha | elky: i understand that and largely agree with what you are saying. However if you peek into any loco you will find very few women there. I cant generalise for all locos and this comment is from and .IN perspective | 13:50 |
| akgraner | he also said the /fr/ if you click on that should go somewhere | 13:50 |
| svaksha | *an | 13:50 |
| pleia2 | actually locos is where I tend to see a high percentage of women internationally | 13:51 |
| akgraner | right now most are -project.org/language/page | 13:51 |
| pleia2 | *more so* than in other teams | 13:51 |
| svaksha | pleia2: some locos , not all | 13:51 |
| akgraner | and the language part doesn't go anywhere | 13:51 |
| elky | svaksha, .in struggles enough running a loco at all, so I'm not surprised | 13:51 |
| svaksha | hehe | 13:51 |
| pleia2 | even have czajkowski on the loco council these days :) | 13:52 |
| elky | but im pretty sure there'd be an .es market, for example | 13:52 |
| svaksha | yes | 13:52 |
| svaksha | even .br | 13:52 |
| svaksha | .ar | 13:52 |
| akgraner | ok so we are down to 8 mins | 13:52 |
| IdleOne | .br should be under .pt | 13:52 |
| akgraner | and we need to touch on World Play Day as we would like to get this announced | 13:52 |
| elky | .es as in the language | 13:52 |
| pleia2 | we can continue translation talk on list or after the meeting | 13:53 |
| akgraner | so any objection to moving on? | 13:53 |
| svaksha | IdleOne: dont suggest that to the team, you'd never get away with it ;) | 13:53 |
| IdleOne | svaksha: haha I know | 13:53 |
| elky | pleia2, agreed | 13:53 |
| elky | akgraner, metoo | 13:53 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - World Play Day announcement / photo waiver - what CC licence do we want on waiver? | 13:53 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - World Play Day announcement / photo waiver - what CC licence do we want on waiver? | 13:53 |
| svaksha | IdleOne: ah..sorry, i misunderstood | 13:53 |
| pleia2 | I liked Matt's idea on list to simplify things | 13:53 |
| akgraner | so the big question is - what license to we want | 13:53 |
| pleia2 | we want restricted license for the world, less restrictive for us | 13:54 |
| pleia2 | legally still a grey area, but we do our best | 13:54 |
| * svaksha will stay silent during legalese discussions | 13:54 | |
| IdleOne | svaksha: what I meant was that they both speak portuguese (sic) but there are some major differences in culture | 13:54 |
| svaksha | IdleOne: yes, major | 13:54 |
| elky | pleia2, aiui, CC is still a grey area anyway in a lot of places | 13:54 |
| akgraner | If we can pick a license then I can get a revamped waiver completed | 13:54 |
| pleia2 | elky: yep | 13:54 |
| akgraner | I was going to use the UDS waiver | 13:54 |
| akgraner | and through in a minor clause | 13:55 |
| akgraner | throw in I mean | 13:55 |
| pleia2 | cc by-nc-nd is probably appropriate for the world | 13:55 |
| akgraner | it both simplifies | 13:55 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: as long as we don't use the same licence facebook uses :( I did not realize I now do not own my own pictures posted on that site | 13:55 |
| akgraner | and should cover the bases as Canonical as used it for a while now | 13:55 |
| akgraner | has not as | 13:56 |
| elky | IdleOne, you do still own them in so much as to equal rights as they do. | 13:56 |
| elky | IdleOne, and i'd doubt that they can lay claim to your likeness in every country anyway | 13:56 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - cc-by-nc-nd any objections to using that for the waiver? | 13:56 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - cc-by-nc-nd any objections to using that for the waiver? | 13:56 |
| IdleOne | elky: yeah, for some reason that doesn't make me happy about it | 13:56 |
| czajkowski | is CC recognised world wide? | 13:57 |
| elky | IdleOne, yeah. OT anyway | 13:57 |
| IdleOne | yup | 13:57 |
| akgraner | pleia2, do you have the link to that license handy? | 13:57 |
| pleia2 | czajkowski: not positive, but I think it's the best we can do | 13:57 |
| elky | czajkowski, depends on your definition of 'recognised'. | 13:57 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/ | 13:57 |
| akgraner | [LINK] - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/ | 13:57 |
| Mootbot-UK | LINK received: - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/ | 13:57 |
| elky | there are jurisdictions in the world where it has not been challenged in a court of law. until it does its job under those circumstnaces, it's not really legally recognised | 13:58 |
| czajkowski | pleia2: aye see over here it's not | 13:58 |
| Mamarok | czajkowski: which doesn't make it invalid | 13:58 |
| czajkowski | Mamarok: I just asked | 13:58 |
| elky | not recognised != invalid | 13:59 |
| Mamarok | the GPL has not been chalenged in many other countries than the US and Germany neither | 13:59 |
| akgraner | ok so was there any changes to the announcement? | 13:59 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: I just say integrate matt's suggetions to make it simpler | 13:59 |
| elky | akgraner, etali iirc wanted us to specify specific formats | 13:59 |
| akgraner | elky, yep I saw that one | 14:00 |
| elky | she's right. .tiff is a "standard format" | 14:00 |
| akgraner | pleia2, modifying the UDS one should simply it :-) | 14:00 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: ok great | 14:00 |
| elky | and im not sure I want to be messing around with a dozen five-gig pictures | 14:00 |
| akgraner | hehe :-( nah we don't want you doing that either :-) | 14:01 |
| Pendulum | I agree on standardising formats | 14:01 |
| akgraner | so jpeg, png, what else? | 14:01 |
| elky | just those i'd say | 14:01 |
| elky | gif is way too lossy | 14:02 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 14:02 |
| akgraner | [IDEA] - list photo format for pics, simplify waiver, and get corrections up on wiki | 14:02 |
| Mootbot-UK | IDEA received: - list photo format for pics, simplify waiver, and get corrections up on wiki | 14:02 |
| pleia2 | sounds like a plan :) | 14:02 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] announce competition on Friday, April 9th | 14:03 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: announce competition on Friday, April 9th | 14:03 |
| elky | everyone get your blogging boots on | 14:03 |
| akgraner | sound ok to everyone? | 14:03 |
| pleia2 | w00t | 14:03 |
| elky | akgraner, it's taken way longer than i'd hoped, so yeah. | 14:03 |
| pleia2 | and I'll make sure it gets on fridge once it's announced | 14:03 |
| elky | and someone tell mark about it /before/ it's over this time, plzkthx | 14:04 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Reminder - next meeting April 22, 2010 at 2200UTC | 14:04 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Reminder - next meeting April 22, 2010 at 2200UTC | 14:04 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: can I ask once again that the meeting is added to the fridge calender please | 14:04 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, yep | 14:04 |
| czajkowski | I've asked for the last 2 times just makes it easier to schedule other things | 14:05 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] - add UW Meeting to Fridge Calendar - akgreaner | 14:05 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: - add UW Meeting to Fridge Calendar - akgreaner | 14:05 |
| pleia2 | anyone can add to the fridge calendar, I guess we just need to get someone to keep on top of that | 14:05 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, sorry about that if you don't see it on there can you email -news-team :-) | 14:05 |
| pleia2 | I can probably do that when I add to the UW cal | 14:05 |
| elky | the UW cal can't syndicate in to it? | 14:05 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: when I create a meeting I automatically just add it to google cal adn invite the guest as per the instructions like it says to do | 14:06 |
| akgraner | pleia2, I have access to - so let's remind one another | 14:06 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: ok :) | 14:06 |
| pleia2 | elky: not sure | 14:06 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, :-) thanks | 14:06 |
| pleia2 | anyway, back to bed for me :) | 14:06 |
| akgraner | ok anything else :-) | 14:06 |
| akgraner | if not thank you everybody!! | 14:07 |
| akgraner | great meeting... | 14:07 |
| czajkowski | also were there more at this meeting than the later meeting time ? anyone know | 14:07 |
| czajkowski | and who's attending UDS ? | 14:07 |
| akgraner | I will know in a little while | 14:07 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, I belive you, me, pleia2, and Pendulum | 14:08 |
| czajkowski | cool | 14:08 |
| akgraner | did I miss anyone? | 14:08 |
| * svaksha | 14:08 | |
| akgraner | svaksha, will you be at UDS? | 14:08 |
| czajkowski | svaksha: you're going ? | 14:08 |
| svaksha | no | 14:08 |
| akgraner | :-( | 14:08 |
| svaksha | i thought you were asking about meeting times | 14:08 |
| czajkowski | ah when you said *me* I assumed you meant | 14:08 |
| akgraner | ok going going going | 14:09 |
| akgraner | #endmeeting | 14:09 |
| Mootbot-UK | Meeting finished at 13:09. | 14:09 |
| Mamarok | neither can I, even if I am in Europe :( | 14:09 |
| IdleOne | w00t! super strong UW representation at UDS :) | 14:09 |
| akgraner | ok only 10mins over | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | same as last time I think | 14:09 |
| akgraner | Idle I think we had 4 people last time | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | and there were others who are in canonical and other groups who came to the sessions | 14:09 |
| * elky cant spare time off work at the moment | 14:09 | |
| akgraner | but it is great none the less!! | 14:09 |
| Mamarok | I will try to drop in remotely if possible, just don't forget to tell people when a channel is not accessible | 14:10 |
| akgraner | Mamarok, we can do our best sometimes we don't know b/c we aren't in that sesssion | 14:10 |
| Mamarok | akgraner: usually all sessions have a lead, no? How difficult is it to tell on IRC? | 14:11 |
| Mamarok | only all session leads should think of it, would be nice to pass the word | 14:11 |
| czajkowski | as has been stated before some topics are sensative adn are not streamed | 14:11 |
| Mamarok | czajkowski: that is not the question | 14:11 |
| Pendulum | czajkowski: yeah, the problem is not that they aren't streamed, it's that last time they didn't necessarily tell people | 14:11 |
| akgraner | Mamarok, depends if a room gets switched with a session - that is say NDA | 14:11 |
| akgraner | we would not know | 14:11 |
| akgraner | until after it starts but I have it on the list to remind people of | 14:12 |
| Mamarok | akgraner: well, then it can still be told on IRC | 14:12 |
| akgraner | :-) | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | Pendulum: aye it depends on the session tbh and the lead or who ever deciding | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | brb reboot | 14:12 |
| akgraner | right there are 14 tracks | 14:12 |
| akgraner | going on at the same time usually over various floors | 14:12 |
| Mamarok | 14 tracks as in 14 different rooms? | 14:12 |
| akgraner | yes | 14:12 |
| IdleOne | is there a #ubuntu-uds or some such? | 14:13 |
| akgraner | so we don't always know what gets switched and when til after it is over | 14:13 |
| Mamarok | well, every room has somebody responsible, that person should tell in the UDS channel on IRC if a room is npot accessible | 14:13 |
| Mamarok | not* | 14:13 |
| Mamarok | since they will have net access | 14:13 |
| akgraner | yes -but if we don't know then we as in UW can't tell them - we will have to get Jono to remind people at the start | 14:13 |
| Mamarok | akgraner: I might not have been specific enough: I didn't say that for UW but for all UDS, and yes, please tell Jono | 14:14 |
| Mamarok | or whoever is organizing the tracks and gives room responsabilities, just a matter of organisation | 14:14 |
| akgraner | Mamarok, I completely understand - and I have added it to the Jono list | 14:14 |
| akgraner | :-) | 14:14 |
| Mamarok | it was a problem on every single UDS since I went to Paris (don't knwo before) | 14:15 |
| Mamarok | know* | 14:15 |
| akgraner | sorry about that I just emailed Pete to talk to the Managers about it | 14:18 |
| Pendulum | akgraner: thanks. It's something I've brought up on surveys and such as well because it's really frustrating to just not know (especially since there were equipment issue problems a couple times last UDS so no sign if it was the session being closed or another equipment problem) | 14:19 |
| akgraner | yep I understand happened to me when I was participating remotely | 14:20 |
| akgraner | so I totally understand | 14:20 |
| akgraner | :-) give me 30 mins gotta fix the kiddos breakfast (spring break here) | 14:23 |
| akgraner | and I'll get the logs up and stuff | 14:23 |
| nigelb | akgraner, kiddos? | 14:23 |
| nigelb | morning btw :) | 14:24 |
| akgraner | nigelb, yeah I have 2 kids :-) morning | 14:24 |
| nigelb | akgraner, just pulling their leg, far shot #fail | 14:25 |
| akgraner | ahh sorry rushing around here - :-( my bad | 14:25 |
| akgraner | bbiab | 14:25 |
| MichelleQ | I see I've managed to miss the meeting, again. | 14:52 |
| czajkowski | hypatia: http://tc55travels.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-to-speak-canadian-eh.html | 15:50 |
| IdleOne | probably written by a brit :P | 15:59 |
| nigelb | IdleOne, irish | 16:00 |
| czajkowski | IdleOne: Irish!! | 16:00 |
| czajkowski | IdleOne: the flags didn't give it away ? | 16:00 |
| nigelb | IdleOne, thats czajkowski 's mate who moved to guleph (If my memory serves me right) | 16:01 |
| czajkowski | nigelb: yes | 16:01 |
| * nigelb glows | 16:01 | |
| nigelb | I do remember stuff | 16:01 |
| IdleOne | I didn't look before statement | 16:01 |
| akgraner | Logs are up and email sent to the list :-) http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/2010408 | 17:29 |
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