[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[12:01] <Pendulum> meeting is in an hour, right?
[12:03] <akgraner> Pendulum, yep :-)
[12:03]  * Pendulum heads out. 
[12:04] <Pendulum> will make as much of it as I can!
[12:18] <czajkowski> akgraner: so meeting is UTC +1 and not UTC :)
[12:19] <akgraner> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=8&year=2010&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[12:20] <akgraner> I just went with time and date so I guess it is +1  gotta love time changes
[12:20] <czajkowski> akgraner: which was why I mailed saying smack bang in the middle of my day
[12:20] <czajkowski> where as UTC+1 is lunchtime :)
[12:22] <akgraner> I'm sorry about that  -  there is no one perfect time - which is why were are trying the 2200 and 1200 to see who can attend which time and dates
[12:23] <akgraner> no matter what time  - someone gets left out :-(
[12:23] <czajkowski> yarp
[12:23] <czajkowski> I know
[12:54] <svaksha> ah, my server time says 1400
[12:58] <akgraner> Good Morning! meeting in 2 minutes :-)
[13:00] <akgraner> Alrighty it's time for the meeting
[13:00] <akgraner> #startmeeting
[13:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is akgraner.
[13:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:01] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today?
[13:01] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today?
[13:01]  * svaksha waves
[13:01]  * pleia2 waves
[13:02] <akgraner> awesome :-)
[13:02] <akgraner> here is the agenda
[13:02] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda
[13:02] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda
[13:03] <akgraner> hopefully a few other people will join in as we go through the agenda
[13:03]  * svaksha suggests moving the 1200 UTC meets to saturday or sunday
[13:03] <akgraner> so today is the 1st meeting are trying the rotating meeting time
[13:04] <svaksha> for EU folks its work time
[13:04] <akgraner> I can't do the weekends I have other commitments :-(
[13:04] <pleia2> it's 5AM here ;)
[13:04] <akgraner> that's why on the 4th Thurs we are doing 2200UTC
[13:04] <svaksha> heh, the TZ thing is tough :)
[13:04] <IdleOne> it is 8 am here on my day off :/
[13:04] <IdleOne> good morning :)
[13:05] <akgraner> good morning
[13:05] <svaksha> good evening :)
[13:05] <IdleOne> yes and good evening to those in different TZ
[13:05] <akgraner> we may have to adjust the  2nd Thursday time and see what is better but at least we are now trying the rotating meeting times
[13:06] <akgraner> ok so at the last meeting we looked at the goals for the -M cycle
[13:07] <akgraner> I still have to finish the blueprints but we have 3 items to start
[13:07] <akgraner> [IDEA] - Blog / Website revamp
[13:07] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - Blog / Website revamp
[13:07] <pleia2> I think the consensus on list was that we go to canonical first for a drupal site
[13:07] <akgraner> [IDEA] - Mentoring Program
[13:07] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - Mentoring Program
[13:08] <akgraner> pleia2, that is how I understood it
[13:08] <IdleOne> I also think that going to Canonical first for hosting would be the best
[13:09] <pleia2> mentoring is a go
[13:09] <akgraner> and logo
[13:09] <akgraner> [IDEA] logo was the 3rd item
[13:09] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  logo was the 3rd item
[13:09] <pleia2> which is probably just a typeface update, but more discussion I guess?
[13:09] <akgraner> It is my understanding that we only want the font changed
[13:10] <pleia2> anyone know when we'll have the new font?
[13:10] <akgraner> I thought it was supposed to be by the 29th but I could be confusing it with something else
[13:10] <svaksha> +1 on the drupal and using the UW LP logo with font changes
[13:11] <pleia2> since the logo is turning out to be small, maybe tossing the ongoing translations things on the blueprint is worthwhile?
[13:11] <akgraner> great :-)  we have a plan
[13:12]  * svaksha wonders if it will be possible to get ubuntu in orange and women in purple colored fonts in the logo?
[13:12] <akgraner> pleia2, that is a great idea
[13:12] <akgraner> sure we can try it
[13:13] <IdleOne> I would say that the translation project is going to be a long term project. There is always going to be something to add/translate to the wiki pages
[13:13] <pleia2> IdleOne: sure, but we can set a few goals :)
[13:13] <IdleOne> yup :)
[13:13] <pleia2> like fine-tune the process, have x languages done
[13:13] <IdleOne> absolutely
[13:13]  * Mamarok waves
[13:13] <pleia2> hey Mamarok
[13:13] <IdleOne> hello Mamarok
[13:13] <akgraner> the goals as I see it is standardizing the program - fixing links etc
[13:13] <svaksha> Mamarok:
[13:13] <akgraner> Mamarok, hey!
[13:14] <Mamarok> hi all
[13:14] <IdleOne> akgraner: agreed
[13:15] <akgraner> pleia2, since you suggested the translation project be added to the blueprints - does anyone object to discussion that now
[13:15] <svaksha> no
[13:15] <Mamarok> no
[13:15] <akgraner> and then I can circle back to World Play Day
[13:16] <akgraner> great! thanks
[13:16] <akgraner> So I am going to post all the topics for translations
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] AllPages
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] WeShouldFix
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  AllPages
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  WeShouldFix
[13:16] <svaksha> akgraner: it will also be worthwhile to identify a few guardians for the page as per the language, for MIA situations
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Translators
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] HowToTranslateWiki
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:16] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Comments from dpm -- akgraner 2010-04-07 22:40:30
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Translators
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  HowToTranslateWiki
[13:16] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Comments from dpm -- akgraner 2010-04-07 22:40:30
[13:17] <akgraner> svaksha, yep those are the things we need to iron out
[13:17] <pleia2> probably want to do one at a time :)
[13:17] <akgraner> yep I just want to get them in the channel :-)
[13:17] <akgraner> I accidentally just the window :-)
[13:17] <pleia2> well, if you do [TOPIC] then discuss it, mootbot puts a nice placeholder in the logs
[13:18] <akgraner> :-)
[13:18] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40
[13:18] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40
[13:18] <pleia2> anyway, I put this on the agenda because it came upon us pretty abruptly last week
[13:18] <pleia2> and it was quickly apparent that it's quite a project :)
[13:19] <akgraner> tell me when you want each point pleia2 and I will post them
[13:19] <pleia2> sounds good
[13:19] <pleia2> plus the enthusiasm on the list was great, and it's a good initiative
[13:19] <pleia2> akgraner: next!
[13:19]  * svaksha agrees
[13:19] <akgraner> [TOPIC] AllPages
[13:19] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  AllPages
[13:19] <pleia2> so this is a page that akgraner put together
[13:20] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/AllPages
[13:20] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/AllPages
[13:20] <pleia2> she's maintaining keeping it up to date with all the pages, so no worries there for now (I had maintainability concerns)
[13:20] <pleia2> I added the little icons
[13:20] <pleia2> it's mostly so we can get a visualization of where we stand as a whole
[13:20] <IdleOne> I just wanted to report that the UW Frech pages are coming along nicely. I have been keeping an eye on them and we have 5 pages complete with 4-5 people who have been working on them doing translation and typo fixing also. :)
[13:20] <pleia2> then we can drill down in to the vital parts fo r translations
[13:21] <pleia2> IdleOne: great!
[13:21] <akgraner> IdleOne, thanks that is great!
[13:21] <pleia2> maybe in the Translations table we can do svaksha's idea of having a "guardian" for each lang to do what IdleOne is doing for Fr?
[13:21] <akgraner> I like that idea
[13:21] <IdleOne> pleia2: yes I think that is a good idea also
[13:21] <svaksha> s/guardian/maintainer sounds better?
[13:21] <akgraner> [IDEA] - Point of contact for each langauge
[13:21] <pleia2> but back to AllPages, you can see we have a lot of pages we need to discuss whether they are translation-worthy
[13:22] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - Point of contact for each langauge
[13:22] <pleia2> this is mostly because "I don't know"
[13:22] <pleia2> I == me :)
[13:22] <pleia2> not sure how to tackle this, but we should at some point, maybe bring a few topics to a meeting to discuss, or toss a few on the list every couple of weeks
[13:22] <pleia2> any comments, or shall we move on to WeShouldFix ?
[13:23] <akgraner> [IDEA] - add translation page topics agenda
[13:23] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - add translation page topics agenda
[13:23] <akgraner> [TOPIC] WeShouldFix
[13:23] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  WeShouldFix
[13:23] <pleia2> so elky made this page when she did all the work on the wiki
[13:23] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WeShouldFix
[13:23] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WeShouldFix
[13:23] <elky> ooh, meeting
[13:23] <pleia2> it's nice to see what you really-should-not-translate right now
[13:24] <pleia2> but I'm not entirely sure of it's place at the moment since we're also maintaining "PagesNeedingTranslated"
[13:24] <akgraner> hey elky!
[13:24] <pleia2> as I see it we should keep both for now and see how things evolve
[13:24] <IdleOne> pleia2: one central page would be easier to keep track of
[13:24] <elky> i've been in another window, didn't notice the time. sorry all.
[13:25] <pleia2> IdleOne: yeah, but I'm not sure which will ultimately be the more useful and maintainable
[13:25] <elky> IdleOne, "once central page" could easily become a monolith if you include the translation statuses
[13:25] <akgraner> I think the WeShouldFIx is for pages other than translations as well yes?
[13:25] <pleia2> yeah
[13:25] <IdleOne> pleia2: that is also a reason why we need  Maintainers for the project
[13:25] <elky> link the translation stuff /from/ the "one central page"
[13:25] <IdleOne> akgraner: yes
[13:26] <akgraner> so we can pull translations off the fix page and link the translation table to the fix page if that sorta brings them together
[13:26]  * pleia2 nods
[13:26] <akgraner> hehe elky didn't see your comment
[13:26] <elky> akgraner, great minds, hon
[13:26] <akgraner> yeppers
[13:26] <pleia2> I don't translate so I don't know what the best workflow will be, so we'll be depending upon the translators here
[13:26] <pleia2> but I think for now having both hanging out there is ok :)
[13:27] <pleia2> so, PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:27] <akgraner> [TOPIC] PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:27] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:27] <elky> (the translators who we appreciate very very very very very much! -- thanks again!)
[13:27] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:27] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated
[13:27] <pleia2> another visual representation of status
[13:27] <IdleOne> Well this is what I think. We leave the pages as they are now and continue translating until we figure out what the best way of maintaining is
[13:28] <pleia2> akgraner: do we have someone in charge of updating this page?
[13:28] <pleia2> I see this as something that will evolve too
[13:28] <akgraner> each translator is doing a great job for adding stuff
[13:28] <pleia2> great
[13:28] <akgraner> but - on sundays when I verify the all pages stuff
[13:28]  * pleia2 nods
[13:29] <akgraner> I also verify what columns need shading if any
[13:29] <akgraner> but if someone wants to take ownership of all that :-)
[13:29] <pleia2> fwiw, ChallengingSexism is one of my "lets talk about" pages since it links to all english articles
[13:29] <akgraner> please let me know
[13:29] <elky> pleia2, there's nothing stopping us linking to a google translate page for those articles, you know
[13:30] <IdleOne> ilke+1
[13:30] <IdleOne> elky+1 :/
[13:30] <pleia2> elky: yep, same is true for our other links pages (Links and WomenAchievers)
[13:30] <akgraner> [IDEA] - Maintainer for PagesNeedingTranslated and AllPages
[13:30] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - Maintainer for PagesNeedingTranslated and AllPages
[13:30] <IdleOne> haha typing fail there
[13:31] <akgraner> [IDEA] use google translate to translate articles
[13:31] <pleia2> plus we need to simply go through ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers to see what's what, I think there is some overlap
[13:31] <elky> brb, zapping food or dinner is going to end up being a bag of jubes :-/
[13:31] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  use google translate to translate articles
[13:31]  * svaksha thinks tha page is very useful
[13:31] <svaksha> that *
[13:31] <svaksha> translations would be even better
[13:31] <akgraner> [IDEA] - cleaning up ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers prior to translating
[13:31] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - cleaning up ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers prior to translating
[13:32] <pleia2> anyway - another comment on PagesNeedingTranslated I marked "Ideas" on AllPages as "Translate page idea, not content"
[13:32] <pleia2> not sure how to communicate this on that table
[13:32] <elky> back
[13:32] <akgraner> the pages to hold off on are marked in read for don't translate (yet)
[13:32] <akgraner> red
[13:33] <akgraner> dang typing fail!
[13:33] <pleia2> but some pages like this are scratchboards for people, not really translateable content, and may be useful as pages that people of different languges can use
[13:33] <pleia2> so if you're in france and have an idea, toss it on Fr/Ideas
[13:33] <elky> I think one area we need to focus translations on is the resources too
[13:34] <pleia2> elky: good idea
[13:34] <akgraner> [IDEA] identify how to show what topics vs pages need translating
[13:34] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  identify how to show what topics vs pages need translating
[13:34] <pleia2> I think that's all I had for PagesNeedingTranslated, we'll update it from AllPages as we discuss what else we want to see translated :)
[13:35] <pleia2> thanks for your work on that akgraner!
[13:35] <akgraner> [IDEA] - add resources to the translation table - by resource
[13:35] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  - add resources to the translation table - by resource
[13:35] <akgraner> pleia2, :-) wikis and I are friends *now* :-)
[13:36] <akgraner> ready for the next item pleia2?
[13:36] <elky> We should also consider asking for some language-specific MLs for the teams working on these pages
[13:36] <pleia2> akgraner: yeah
[13:37] <akgraner> [IDEA] work out  localization resources
[13:37] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  work out  localization resources
[13:37] <pleia2> I think a language specific mailing list may be a little overkill tbh
[13:37] <akgraner> (not to be confused with LoCo teams)
[13:37] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Translators
[13:37] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Translators
[13:37] <Mamarok> pleia2: JFYI, French is not only spoken in France :)
[13:37] <pleia2> Mamarok: I know, it was an example :)
[13:37] <Mamarok> OK
[13:37] <pleia2> IdleOne is in canada
[13:37] <pleia2> and issyl0 is in the uk!
[13:37] <IdleOne> Canada*
[13:37] <IdleOne> :P
[13:38] <pleia2> both are french translators
[13:38] <elky> Canuckistan*
[13:38] <IdleOne> hehe
[13:38] <pleia2> so, Translators
[13:38] <pleia2> I think the page is pretty decent
[13:38] <IdleOne> Canuckistanians are nice peoples
[13:38] <pleia2> if a team does decide to have a mailing list, I think the link would go here
[13:38] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators
[13:38] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators
[13:38] <pleia2> or they can just keep in contact via direct emails
[13:39] <akgraner> also who the point of contacts would go on here as well I would thinkg
[13:39] <akgraner> think
[13:39] <pleia2> yeah
[13:39] <elky> I'm also thinking about the teams leading the translation being able to seed language-specific UW groups
[13:39] <IdleOne> pleia2: I agree that for now language specific ml's is a bit much
[13:39] <akgraner> I can set you the same list of languages for this page then columns for stuff based on the resources for each language
[13:40] <pleia2> elky: yeah, for http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Languages (which I forgot to add to the agenda)
[13:40] <svaksha> isnt that the loco's responsibility <-- language specific
[13:40] <akgraner> so language - name - IRC name - email - mailing list when/if - forum when/if etc
[13:41] <pleia2> svaksha: we can certainly ask the locos to help
[13:41] <svaksha> ofcourse you will have different versions of spanish, french, etc
[13:41] <pleia2> akgraner: instead of discussing HowToTranslateWiki directly, want to just talk about your discussion with dpm?
[13:42] <akgraner> sure
[13:42] <pleia2> (or both at once :))
[13:42] <akgraner> let me drop the link in :-)
[13:42] <akgraner> [TOPIC] HowToTranslateWiki
[13:42] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  HowToTranslateWiki
[13:43] <elky> svaksha, not really. I see it as a partnership between UW and the LoCo "sections"
[13:43] <IdleOne> svaksha: the differences for me at least in French is when it is spoken. written French is/should be constant when properly done
[13:43] <akgraner> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki
[13:43] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki
[13:43] <pleia2> this is an old page that clytie created back when she was involved in 2006
[13:43] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Comments from dpm
[13:43] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Comments from dpm
[13:43] <pleia2> tons of great content, but we weren't sure how up to date it was
[13:43] <pleia2> so akgraner took it translations guru dpm
[13:43] <akgraner> so I talked to dpm
[13:44] <akgraner> and he took a look at it  - and said that other than the broken links there were very minor changes
[13:45] <elky> yay
[13:45] <elky> less work is good!
[13:45] <akgraner> dpm said it's minor but the abbreviations for the languages should be for example /fr/ instead of /Fr/
[13:45] <akgraner> he said minor but that would keep it consistent throughout the Ubuntu Project
[13:45] <pleia2> akgraner: do you know if there is a page like this on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[13:46] <akgraner> I have to get that I asked for one but he didn't give me a link
[13:46] <pleia2> if we're just duplicating data here, it's not great and we want to reference standard translation processes where possible
[13:46] <IdleOne> akgraner: from what I read, wiki standards use /Fr
[13:46] <akgraner> I'll find one though
[13:46] <IdleOne> I could be wrong though
[13:46] <pleia2> thanks :)
[13:46] <elky> IdleOne, wiki standards or Ubuntu Wiki standards?
[13:47] <akgraner> he also said that instead of saying - shoudl join translation team
[13:47] <elky> (not necessarily the same :()
[13:47] <IdleOne> elky: ubuntu wiki standards
[13:47] <svaksha> elky: agreed, but you will find some opposition to having a team of women in locos , even if it includes men. this is if you are suggesting having a team , that is
[13:47] <akgraner> no not wiki standards
[13:47] <akgraner> Ubuntu translation team standards
[13:47] <svaksha> IdleOne: absolutely, that is true for almost all languages
[13:47] <akgraner> but I will get examples and clarification
[13:47] <pleia2> thanks akgraner
[13:48] <akgraner> say encouraged to visit, talk to , etc the translation team
[13:48] <akgraner> he said not to make is sound like something they had to do to help
[13:48] <pleia2> good idea
[13:48] <akgraner> all super easy corrections
[13:48]  * pleia2 nods
[13:48] <svaksha> pleia2: yes, asking loco teams  for generic help works well
[13:49] <pleia2> akgraner: you want to take care of the cleanup for now, or should I?
[13:49] <pleia2> I can work on it later today
[13:49] <akgraner> he also said that we have taken the translation process one step farther with the table and the color coding and he loved it
[13:49] <elky> svaksha, we english-speaking folks have here. the scared french-only folks or german-only folks are already largely excluded by the lingua franca of the project. I'd like for them to find a place of inclusiveness just like we've had the privilege of doing. If the loco isn't decent enough to do it, I don't see why we should stay on that level.
[13:49] <akgraner> pleia2, if you can that would be great!
[13:49] <pleia2> ok, action me at that :)
[13:50] <Mamarok> IdleOne: Fr would only make sense if this was an actual page, else it should be fr
[13:50] <akgraner> [ACTION] - pleia2 to clean up wiki translation pages per dpm's suggestions
[13:50] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  - pleia2 to clean up wiki translation pages per dpm's suggestions
[13:50] <svaksha> elky: i understand that and largely agree with what you are saying. However if you peek into any loco you will find very few women there. I cant generalise for all locos and this comment is from and .IN perspective
[13:50] <akgraner> he also said the /fr/ if you click on that should go somewhere
[13:50] <svaksha> *an
[13:51] <pleia2> actually locos is where I tend to see a high percentage of women internationally
[13:51] <akgraner> right now most are -project.org/language/page
[13:51] <pleia2> *more so* than in other teams
[13:51] <svaksha> pleia2: some locos , not all
[13:51] <akgraner> and the language part doesn't go anywhere
[13:51] <elky> svaksha, .in struggles enough running a loco at all, so I'm not surprised
[13:51] <svaksha> hehe
[13:52] <pleia2> even have czajkowski on the loco council these days :)
[13:52] <elky> but im pretty sure there'd be an .es market, for example
[13:52] <svaksha> yes
[13:52] <svaksha> even .br
[13:52] <svaksha> .ar
[13:52] <akgraner> ok so we are down to 8 mins
[13:52] <IdleOne> .br should be under .pt
[13:52] <akgraner> and we need to touch on World Play Day as we would like to get this announced
[13:52] <elky> .es as in the language
[13:53] <pleia2> we can continue translation talk on list or after the meeting
[13:53] <akgraner> so any objection to moving on?
[13:53] <svaksha> IdleOne: dont suggest that to the team, you'd never get away with it ;)
[13:53] <IdleOne> svaksha: haha I know
[13:53] <elky> pleia2, agreed
[13:53] <elky> akgraner, metoo
[13:53] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - World Play Day announcement / photo waiver - what CC licence do we want on waiver?
[13:53] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - World Play Day announcement / photo waiver - what CC licence do we want on waiver?
[13:53] <svaksha> IdleOne: ah..sorry, i misunderstood
[13:53] <pleia2> I liked Matt's idea on list to simplify things
[13:53] <akgraner> so the big question is - what license to we want
[13:54] <pleia2> we want restricted license for the world, less restrictive for us
[13:54] <pleia2> legally still a grey area, but we do our best
[13:54]  * svaksha will stay silent during legalese discussions
[13:54] <IdleOne> svaksha: what I meant was that they both speak portuguese (sic) but there are some major differences in culture
[13:54] <svaksha> IdleOne: yes, major
[13:54] <elky> pleia2, aiui, CC is still a grey area anyway in a lot of places
[13:54] <akgraner> If we can pick a license then I can get a revamped waiver completed
[13:54] <pleia2> elky: yep
[13:54] <akgraner> I was going to use the UDS waiver
[13:55] <akgraner> and through in a minor clause
[13:55] <akgraner> throw in I mean
[13:55] <pleia2> cc by-nc-nd is probably appropriate for the world
[13:55] <akgraner> it both simplifies
[13:55] <IdleOne> akgraner: as long as we don't use the same licence facebook uses :( I did not realize I now do not own my own pictures posted on that site
[13:55] <akgraner> and should cover the bases as Canonical as used it for a while now
[13:56] <akgraner> has not as
[13:56] <elky> IdleOne, you do still own them in so much as to equal rights as they do.
[13:56] <elky> IdleOne, and i'd doubt that they can lay claim to your likeness in every country anyway
[13:56] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - cc-by-nc-nd any objections to using that for the waiver?
[13:56] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - cc-by-nc-nd any objections to using that for the waiver?
[13:56] <IdleOne> elky: yeah, for some reason that doesn't make me happy about it
[13:57] <czajkowski> is CC recognised world wide?
[13:57] <elky> IdleOne, yeah. OT anyway
[13:57] <IdleOne> yup
[13:57] <akgraner> pleia2, do you have the link to that license handy?
[13:57] <pleia2> czajkowski: not positive, but I think it's the best we can do
[13:57] <elky> czajkowski, depends on your definition of 'recognised'.
[13:57] <pleia2> akgraner: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/
[13:57] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/
[13:57] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/
[13:58] <elky> there are jurisdictions in the world where it has not been challenged in a court of law. until it does its job under those circumstnaces, it's not really legally recognised
[13:58] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye see over here it's not
[13:58] <Mamarok> czajkowski: which doesn't make it invalid
[13:58] <czajkowski> Mamarok: I just asked
[13:59] <elky> not recognised != invalid
[13:59] <Mamarok> the GPL has not been chalenged in many other countries than the US and Germany neither
[13:59] <akgraner> ok so was there any changes to the announcement?
[13:59] <pleia2> akgraner: I just say integrate matt's suggetions to make it simpler
[13:59] <elky> akgraner, etali iirc wanted us to specify specific formats
[14:00] <akgraner> elky, yep I saw that one
[14:00] <elky> she's right. .tiff is a "standard format"
[14:00] <akgraner> pleia2, modifying the UDS one should simply it  :-)
[14:00] <pleia2> akgraner: ok great
[14:00] <elky> and im not sure I want to be messing around with a dozen five-gig pictures
[14:01] <akgraner> hehe  :-( nah we don't want you doing that either :-)
[14:01] <Pendulum> I agree on standardising formats
[14:01] <akgraner> so jpeg, png, what else?
[14:01] <elky> just those i'd say
[14:02] <elky> gif is way too lossy
[14:02] <pleia2> yeah
[14:02] <akgraner> [IDEA]  - list photo format for pics, simplify waiver, and get corrections up on wiki
[14:02] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:   - list photo format for pics, simplify waiver, and get corrections up on wiki
[14:02] <pleia2> sounds like a plan :)
[14:03] <akgraner> [ACTION] announce competition on Friday, April 9th
[14:03] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  announce competition on Friday, April 9th
[14:03] <elky> everyone get your blogging boots on
[14:03] <akgraner> sound ok to everyone?
[14:03] <pleia2> w00t
[14:03] <elky> akgraner, it's taken way longer than i'd hoped, so yeah.
[14:03] <pleia2> and I'll make sure it gets on fridge once it's announced
[14:04] <elky> and someone tell mark about it /before/ it's over this time, plzkthx
[14:04] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Reminder - next meeting April 22, 2010 at 2200UTC
[14:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Reminder - next meeting April 22, 2010 at 2200UTC
[14:04] <czajkowski> akgraner: can I ask once again that the meeting is added to the fridge calender please
[14:04] <akgraner> czajkowski, yep
[14:05] <czajkowski> I've asked for the last 2 times just makes it easier to schedule other things
[14:05] <akgraner> [ACTION] - add UW Meeting to Fridge Calendar - akgreaner
[14:05] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  - add UW Meeting to Fridge Calendar - akgreaner
[14:05] <pleia2> anyone can add to the fridge calendar, I guess we just need to get someone to keep on top of that
[14:05] <akgraner> czajkowski, sorry about that if you don't see it on there can you email -news-team :-)
[14:05] <pleia2> I can probably do that when I add to the UW cal
[14:05] <elky> the UW cal can't syndicate in to it?
[14:06] <czajkowski> akgraner: when I create a meeting I automatically just add it to google cal adn invite the guest as per the instructions like it says to do
[14:06] <akgraner> pleia2, I have access to  - so let's remind one another
[14:06] <pleia2> akgraner: ok :)
[14:06] <pleia2> elky: not sure
[14:06] <akgraner> czajkowski, :-) thanks
[14:06] <pleia2> anyway, back to bed for me :)
[14:06] <akgraner> ok anything else :-)
[14:07] <akgraner> if not thank you everybody!!
[14:07] <akgraner> great meeting...
[14:07] <czajkowski> also were there more at this meeting than the later meeting time ? anyone know
[14:07] <czajkowski> and who's attending UDS ?
[14:07] <akgraner> I will know in a little while
[14:08] <akgraner> czajkowski, I belive you, me, pleia2, and Pendulum
[14:08] <czajkowski> cool
[14:08] <akgraner> did I miss anyone?
[14:08]  * svaksha 
[14:08] <akgraner> svaksha, will you be at UDS?
[14:08] <czajkowski> svaksha: you're going ?
[14:08] <svaksha> no
[14:08] <akgraner> :-(
[14:08] <svaksha> i thought you were asking about meeting times
[14:08] <czajkowski> ah when you said *me* I assumed you meant
[14:09] <akgraner> ok going  going going
[14:09] <akgraner> #endmeeting
[14:09] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 13:09.
[14:09] <Mamarok> neither can I, even if I am in Europe :(
[14:09] <IdleOne> w00t! super strong UW representation at UDS :)
[14:09] <akgraner> ok only 10mins over
[14:09] <czajkowski> same as last time I think
[14:09] <akgraner> Idle I think we had 4 people last time
[14:09] <czajkowski> and there were others who are in canonical and other groups who came to the sessions
[14:09]  * elky cant spare time off work at the moment
[14:09] <akgraner> but it is great none the less!!
[14:10] <Mamarok> I will try to drop in remotely if possible, just don't forget to tell people when a channel is not accessible
[14:10] <akgraner> Mamarok, we can do our best sometimes we don't know b/c we aren't in that sesssion
[14:11] <Mamarok> akgraner: usually all sessions have a lead, no? How difficult is it to tell on IRC?
[14:11] <Mamarok> only all session leads should think of it, would be nice to pass the word
[14:11] <czajkowski> as has been stated before some topics are sensative adn are not streamed
[14:11] <Mamarok> czajkowski: that is not the question
[14:11] <Pendulum> czajkowski: yeah, the problem is not that they aren't streamed, it's that last time they didn't necessarily tell people
[14:11] <akgraner> Mamarok, depends if a room gets switched with a session  - that is say NDA
[14:11] <akgraner> we would not know
[14:12] <akgraner> until after it starts but I have it on the list to remind people of
[14:12] <Mamarok> akgraner: well, then it can still be told on IRC
[14:12] <akgraner> :-)
[14:12] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye it depends on the session tbh and the lead or who ever deciding
[14:12] <czajkowski> brb reboot
[14:12] <akgraner> right there are 14 tracks
[14:12] <akgraner> going on at the same time usually over various floors
[14:12] <Mamarok> 14 tracks as in 14 different rooms?
[14:12] <akgraner> yes
[14:13] <IdleOne> is there a #ubuntu-uds or some such?
[14:13] <akgraner> so we don't always know what gets switched and when til after it is over
[14:13] <Mamarok> well, every room has somebody responsible, that person should tell in the UDS channel on IRC if a room is npot accessible
[14:13] <Mamarok> not*
[14:13] <Mamarok> since they will have net access
[14:13] <akgraner> yes -but if we don't know then we as in UW can't tell them - we will have to get Jono to remind people at the start
[14:14] <Mamarok> akgraner: I might not have been specific enough: I didn't say that for UW but for all UDS, and yes, please tell Jono
[14:14] <Mamarok> or whoever is organizing the tracks and gives room responsabilities, just a matter of organisation
[14:14] <akgraner> Mamarok, I completely understand - and I have added it to the Jono list
[14:14] <akgraner> :-)
[14:15] <Mamarok> it was a problem on every single UDS since I went to Paris (don't knwo before)
[14:15] <Mamarok> know*
[14:18] <akgraner> sorry about that I  just emailed Pete to talk to the Managers about it
[14:19] <Pendulum> akgraner: thanks. It's something I've brought up on surveys and such as well because it's really frustrating to just not know (especially since there were equipment issue problems a couple times last UDS so no sign if it was the session being closed or another equipment problem)
[14:20] <akgraner> yep I understand happened to me when I was participating remotely
[14:20] <akgraner> so I totally understand
[14:23] <akgraner> :-)  give me 30 mins gotta fix the kiddos breakfast (spring break here)
[14:23] <akgraner> and I'll get the logs up and stuff
[14:23] <nigelb> akgraner, kiddos?
[14:24] <nigelb> morning btw :)
[14:24] <akgraner> nigelb, yeah I have 2 kids :-)  morning
[14:25] <nigelb> akgraner, just pulling their leg, far shot #fail
[14:25] <akgraner> ahh sorry rushing around here - :-( my bad
[14:25] <akgraner> bbiab
[14:52] <MichelleQ> I see I've managed to miss the meeting, again.
[15:50] <czajkowski> hypatia: http://tc55travels.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-to-speak-canadian-eh.html
[15:59] <IdleOne> probably written by a brit :P
[16:00] <nigelb> IdleOne, irish
[16:00] <czajkowski> IdleOne: Irish!!
[16:00] <czajkowski> IdleOne: the flags didn't give it away ?
[16:01] <nigelb> IdleOne, thats czajkowski 's mate who moved to guleph (If my memory serves me right)
[16:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: yes
[16:01]  * nigelb glows
[16:01] <nigelb> I do remember stuff
[16:01] <IdleOne> I didn't look before statement
[17:29] <akgraner> Logs are up and email sent to the list :-) http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/2010408