[00:00] Hey, that's why ubuntuwire exists: it's donated hardware intended to provide resources to developers. [00:02] amichair: got backtrace? [00:05] I'm hoping it's just because the intallation was under bad conditions. If I manage to recreate, I'll let u know [00:07] the one thing I did after reboot was type konsole in the k menu search field [00:07] interestingly, it didn't show (only 'run konsole', not the real konsole choice/icon) [00:08] and then plasma was no more [00:08] clearliy it wanted to prevent you from using konsole :P [00:09] it probably knows that gnome-terimanl is superior [00:39] Did nixternal survive the storm? [00:46] JontheEchidna: can't recreate. I'll write it off as a bad installation on my part. === emma_ is now known as emma === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:40] ryanakca: Did you fix Bug 479534 in Kobby? [05:40] Launchpad bug 479534 in kobby "Kobby in section Office when Internet would be better" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479534 [06:33] hi! is there a wiki page for things like 'which standards version should i use for packaging in lucid"? [06:35] freinhard: You should look at the version of the package debian-policy in Lucid and use that. [06:36] ScottK: thx [06:38] and debhelper 7.4? [06:38] (i know it builds with less) [07:00] debhelper version requirement (and also debian/compat) should refer to the lowest version the package will build with. [07:09] Tested on Kubuntu Hardy -> Lucid and Kubuntu-kde4 Hardy -> Kubuntu Lucid and it went pretty smooth. Found a few file conflicts. Fixes are either uploaded or in bzr. [10:08] waaah [10:08] bad weekend weather :( [10:09] * apachelogger hates the weather widget [10:09] I'm hoping some snow rain [10:09] oh dear [10:09] I'm dear, yes [10:10] * Tm_Tr hides === Tm_Tr is now known as Tm_T [10:10] * Tm_T hates linker problems [10:10] hi smarter [10:11] hey [10:27] lex79: kde rev 1112824 kde rev 1112828 [10:27] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1112824&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1112824 [10:27] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1112828&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1112828 [10:27] apachelogger: (:) [10:36] amichair: are you here? [10:57] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100409095748-5lil301pr5j7k1c0 kdeedu/debian/changelog: releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2 [11:23] * apachelogger sends Tm_T a cookie basket [11:28] ScottK: Unfortunately not. I'll do so now and see if pos minds reuploading. === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel [11:47] http://img717.imageshack.us/i/screenshotai.png/ friend just fried his gtkrc because the appearance thingy in gnome crashed ^^ [11:55] apachelogger: is the left or the right window the "fried-gtkrc-one"? [11:56] * apachelogger giggles [11:56] the left ^^ [11:56] alright [11:56] the gradients are too heavy for my taste in the right one [11:57] looks like someone discovered photoshop, or the 90s [11:57] well [11:57] if I were an ubuntu user I would listen to one song only [11:57] kubotu: np [11:57] apachelogger is listening to "A Pain That I'm Used To" by Depeche Mode [http://open.spotify.com/track/4fd8IurnMUySXCXYeJ0MlJ] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [11:57] ^^ [11:58] the first version of the oxygen style had similar heavy gradients [11:59] the one that was eating resources and became bespin? [12:01] yes [12:01] and the one that was an atrocity code-wise, and looked like Perl [12:04] just thinking about it, made the sun hide Oo [12:05] yeh, a close second after keramik, aesthetically :) [12:06] * apachelogger never got why so many people used keramik in KDE 3.5 times [12:06] with plastik and lipstik around [12:10] keramik was default :/ [12:30] sebas: in 3.5? seriously? [12:30] * apachelogger is fortunate enough to cant remember that :) [12:30] I think Plastik was default in 3.5 but before that... [12:31] ah [12:31] * apachelogger only had KDE 3.4 for like a month or two [12:32] I switched Keramik away in 3.2 too, haven't seen it in use in my desktop since [12:32] better that is [12:33] now since I misplaced my gsoc stuff for ubuntuone I think I need to start over again [12:33] oh my [12:33] * apachelogger should have doen it in the wiki [12:34] ): [12:37] so, when we move our akonadi defaults to postgres? [12:37] ryanakca: For reference, that's the same section Gobby is in. It doesn't make sense for them to be different. [12:38] Tm_T: Did you see we have powerpc live CDs that fit? [12:38] ScottK: oh, have to try that one (: [12:39] Tm_T: Yes. Please. With nixternal out of action, you're my only hope; [12:39] let's see if I have empty discs or any -rw that works [12:41] * Tm_T places that to tomorrows schedule [13:18] * apachelogger just wrote half an hour about why he is interested in open source ^^ [13:18] I suppose that question is worth a book really [13:24] * evilshadeslayer oogles at kpk... [13:25] * apachelogger points at the cloud ^^ [13:25] * apachelogger doesnt like cloudy days [13:25] they are mostly followed by rainy days [13:25] amazing... its showing the list of changes... even though its just 1 package :P [13:25] and those I do not only not like, I actually hate them [13:25] out of 120 :D [13:26] evilshadeslayer: magic [13:26] * evilshadeslayer seeds normal clouds with rain... and lo! apachelogger gets wet :P [13:26] apachelogger: looks like it :D [13:26] apachelogger: thats the first time its shown the list of changes [13:26] ( for the time ive been using it ) [13:27] since like yesterday? :P [13:27] nope... it didnt show the list of changes ever... :D [13:27] the lucky app is app-install-data [13:28] s/app/package [13:28] uhh [13:28] those changes must be intersting [13:29] may I say that wirting gsoc projet proposals is a rather annoying thing to do? [13:29] if I do not get accepted I wasted hours I could have spent triaging bugs for nothing :S [13:29] apachelogger: hehe... are you always this negative? [13:29] Nightrose: btw, I will not propose something for KDE, in lack of mentor and my projects are far too big [13:30] just getting a design for a khc rewrite would take ages [13:30] because it must rock [13:30] evilshadeslayer: why negative? [13:30] * evilshadeslayer picks up a stone,writes khc on it and hands it apachelogger [13:30] apachelogger: heh.. if you dont get selected no one else would :p [13:31] well [13:31] those people that constantly blame canonical for being kubuntu unfriendly would disagree :P [13:31] let me draw a conspiracy picture here [13:32] sure :D === evilshadeslayer is now known as evilshadeslayer_ [13:34] apachelogger: ill be back in a few mins... snack time :D [13:34] apachelogger: http://www.cambridgenow.ca/cnt/files/Image/Grain_Of_Salt/Samosa.jpg [13:35] there are 47 ideas from ubuntu in the wiki [13:36] so say on average ther are two applications per idea (which is probably too low), but lets just use that [13:36] that makes around 100 applications [13:37] from http://linuxgazette.net/119/oregan.html it would seem that at some point KDE got around some 30 project slots or something [13:37] I doubt that Ubuntu will get that many, but be it so [13:38] so out of those 100 applications about 80 or 90% will probably not qualify at all [13:39] so lets say 15 projects will be considered, likely enough google will not devote slots to ubuntu that cannot be filled with sensible projects, so the actual slot amount will be between 15 and say 7 [13:40] out of those some 50 gsoc ideas are 5 for kubuntu in specific, 6 if you include the Qt4 Quickly idea [13:42] so even if my application is in the pool of those 15 that qualify, there is a 90% chance that my propsoal will not be chosen [13:42] simply because it does not beneift ubuntu but kubuntu [13:42] thus I will not get accepted [13:42] :P [13:43] now lets just hope none of those blue-headed stepchild fanboys reads this [13:43] hell may break loose [13:43] "kubuntu developer proofs neglect of kubuntu" [13:44] or "kubuntu only 10% of ubuntu's importance" ^^ [13:45] man, I should have joined the blue-headed stepchild bandwaggon, there is so much one could do conspiracy theorie about === evilshadeslayer_ is now known as evilshadeslayer [13:47] apachelogger: ah... [13:48] Based on popcon data, the ratio of Ubuntu to Kubuntu popcon users is ~ 6:1. No idea how that relates to the actual user ratio. [13:49] Given the amount of effort that gets put into Ubuntu, I find that pretty good for Kubuntu. [13:49] someone should blog about that [13:49] oh [13:50] * apachelogger should blog about l10n in lucid [13:50] * apachelogger should finish his gsoc stuff [13:58] * evilshadeslayer watches his gmail inbox fill up with bug mail [13:58] oh noes :( [13:59] it grown by 2 pc since i subscribed to kubuntu-bugs ML :D [13:59] pc? [13:59] percent :P [13:59] ah [13:59] % :D [14:00] * Please describe a tentative project architecture or an approach to it: [14:00] should I go as far as world domination? [14:00] hmm... i could fill my mailbox on a CD... 627 MB.. :P [14:00] * apachelogger isn't sure how much implications he should highlight [14:00] hm [14:01] 627 [14:01] apachelogger: a bit further... nuclear holocaust as well [14:01] * apachelogger delets loads of shiz and is at 19% or os [14:01] s/os/so [14:01] You are currently using 1481 MB (19%) of your 7442 MB. [14:01] i have : [14:01] You are currently using 627 MB (8%) of your 7442 MB. [14:02] *nod* [14:02] * apachelogger cleans commit and bugs folders from time to time [14:02] otherwise I probably would be out of space ^^ [14:02] where are the debug symbols for libdbus-1-3? shouldn't there be a package dbus-dbg? [14:03] * apachelogger monitors most of KDE SVN [14:03] apachelogger: ive made tags for them... all my mail gets tagged as soon as it enters my mailbox [14:03] !debug [14:03] For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures [14:03] Torch: ^ [14:03] Torch: debug symbols get stripped to a specific repository [14:03] how to get them is somewhere explained in a page linked from the one above ^^ [14:04] evilshadeslayer: then just go clean out them tags ;) [14:04] apachelogger: thanks. [14:04] * apachelogger does that so he gets his mails read [14:04] apachelogger: yeah..deleted 1500 Mails.. all of them bugs [14:04] like currently I have 4266 unread in kde-devel [14:04] 3208 in promo [14:04] \o/ [14:05] that is mosty because I do not read followups on stuff that doesnt sound interesting though ^^ [14:05] and since the kmai ingore setting does not get transferred via imap i do not even bother setting those, because I might end up reinstalling the system any time ;) [14:06] You have successfully confirmed your subscription request for "apachelogger@ubuntu.com" to the ubuntu-soc mailing list. [14:06] one more list to not read ^^ [14:08] apachelogger: heh... bug mail was only 13 MB [14:08] * apachelogger just quit rekonq without wanting to [14:08] strg q is dangerous [14:08] * apachelogger needs other browser [14:09] apachelogger: i don't seem to make any progress with that link though [14:09] apachelogger: i have that ddebs repository, of course [14:09] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/ETrhEBpZ [14:09] maybe it is crap [14:09] apachelogger: if that is what you meant. [14:10] apachelogger: it has a dbus-dbgsym package. i have that installed. and still no symbols for libdbus-1-3 [14:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKDE [14:10] dear lord in heaven [14:10] Torch: your in lucid? [14:10] if that was any more out-of-date [14:10] oh my [14:10] evilshadeslayer: no. karmic. [14:10] Torch: maybe you need another package then [14:10] Torch: also, did you remember to reload the symbols in gdb? [14:10] Torch: hehe... well in lucid we have the 'Install Debug symbols' Button [14:11] apachelogger: drkonqi [14:11] did you remember to reload the backtrace in drkonqi? ;) [14:11] evilshadeslayer: we (as in KDE) have had that for a long time, i think. [14:11] apachelogger: heh ;-) [14:11] apachelogger: look at the contents of dbus-dbgsym [14:11] Torch: it wasnt enabled for kubuntu users tho [14:12] apachelogger: how can it provide debug symbols for that lib? i'm not too familiar with how these packages are built, but i'm not sure it works without a file that somehow is called libdbus-1.so in any form [14:12] Torch: libdbus-1-3-dbgsym [14:13] apachelogger: huh? [14:13] http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/dbus/ [14:13] each binary package gets a -dbgsym packgae [14:13] they get stripped at build time and then dumped into these special packages in this special ddebs archive [14:13] apachelogger: ah. is that new? [14:13] Torch: no [14:14] Torch: -dbgsym is per-binar-package, -dbg usually per-source-package [14:14] apachelogger: i was under the impression debug package == source package + -dbg [14:14] so you have kde4libs-dbg for all of kdelibs [14:14] Torch: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/debug-packages-and-ppas/ [14:14] apachelogger: right, that's how i've known that. and the ddebs repository changes that? [14:14] ddebs is completely independent from -dbg packages [14:15] in short: -dbgsym are autogenerated -dbg are manually maintained by the package maintainers [14:15] that is also the reason the -dbg packages show up in the regular archives... they are part of the regular source package [14:17] apachelogger: thanks for clearing this up for me ;-) [14:17] you're very welcome :) === evilshadeslayer is now known as evilshadeslayer_ === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:09] ryanakca: libqinfinity is through binary New, so the package should hit archive.ubuntu.com in ~95 minutes. Then you shoud be able to test Kobby and ask for that sync. [15:11] * apachelogger should become artist [15:11] http://i.imagehost.org/view/0054/sitter-prob08 [15:12] oh oh oh [15:12] I need a cloud!!!! ^^ [15:16] Would someone who cares about PPAs please deal with Bug 519751? [15:16] Launchpad bug 519751 in python-qt3 "Can't install python-qt3 with ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta in the sources list for APT" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519751 [15:29] apachelogger: which app did you make that in? [15:30] evilshadeslayer_: inkscape [15:30] http://i.imagehost.org/view/0021/drawing [15:31] apachelogger: gnome app? [15:32] inkscape isnt a gnome app [15:32] regardless of that, eitherway inkscape is the best free SVG editor ^^ [15:32] in fact, I would go as far as calling it the best of all [15:33] cool... installing to check it out :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:15] just noticed that the kubuntu logo in lucid's menu is big [16:16] apachelogger was going to fix that. [16:16] apachelogger: do you need help with that? [16:17] ofirk_: should be fixed already [16:17] its not getting any smaller than it is now, otherwise the circle gets too blury [16:17] ah [16:18] * apachelogger forgot to mention the auth handler in his gsoc proposal [16:29] apachelogger: I managed to scale it down to 123x24 and the circle is just fine [16:29] ofirk_: we do not do scaling [16:29] kickoff does that [16:29] kickoff uses the svg as the original? [16:30] aye [16:30] debfx: Would you have any time to help with coding up a fix for a display control problem? [16:31] I modified the svg, so I can send it to you, or test it myself if it is possible [16:31] Anyone else up for a bit of C++/Qt bug fix coding? [16:31] ofirk_: just dump it somewhere in /usr/share/kubntu-default-settings/... [16:31] dunno the exact path [16:31] it is super long ^^ [16:32] lol, I will look for that [16:34] apachelogger: there is /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz is that it? [16:35] apachelogger: how I can change the logo size in kickoff? do I need to recompile it? [16:36] you need to restart [16:36] that should trigger a redrawing [16:36] maybe you need to delete the kdepixmap cache [16:36] which is in .kde/*-cache/kpk IIRC [16:36] eh [16:36] /kpc of course [16:37] but how I specify it to redraw it with 130x40? [16:37] you dont [16:37] it will redraw to whatever the svg is I think [16:38] so if the SVG workspace size is 100x80 it will render to that size [16:38] ok, I will try that [16:43] oh noes! [16:43] rain! [16:43] no! [16:43] what? [16:43] NOOOOO [16:43] kubotu: weather graz, austria [16:43] Weather info for Graz-Andritz, Graz, Austria (updated on 5:40 PM CEST on April 09, 2010); Temperature: 64.7 F / 18.2 C; Humidity: -999%; Wind: North at -; Pressure: - (Steady); Conditions: Clear; Sunrise: 6:22 AM CEST; Sunset: 7:38 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 4:05 AM CEST; Moon Set: 2:38 PM CEST; Moon Phase: Waning Crescent [16:43] out-of-date! [16:44] Interesting humidity. Doesn't sound like rain. [16:44] it is cloudy as hell and raining slightly [16:44] ScottK: kubotu is a liar ;) [16:44] omg [16:44] rain is getting stronger [16:45] kubotu: np [16:45] apachelogger is listening to "Raining Again" by Moby [Hotel, 2005] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6UOvd5f3oyfIGW3GA8dn89] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [16:45] oh [16:45] it stopped [16:45] cool [16:46] \o/ [16:46] kubotu: np [16:46] apachelogger is listening to "Here Comes the Sun" by The Beatles [1] [http://open.spotify.com/track/66AdsR6hDPlQxkASDqtRvK] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [16:48] thanks for the commit apachelogger [16:49] Ohh. lex79: You do C++, right? [16:50] ScottK: nope, I just change the Cmakelists in kdeedu :) [16:51] Rats. [16:51] Hopefully debfx shows up. [16:53] apachelogger: after the updates today, I have this kickoff icon http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/229/kickoff.png [17:00] Tonio__: Could you join #debian-qt-kde on OFTC? [17:01] lex79: yeah, someone didnt obey the icon spec [17:01] lex79: you need to manually change it [17:01] it was renamed [17:01] * apachelogger meant to send a mail about that [17:02] .. more about the fact that we used an invalid icon name, rather than icons being broken ;) [17:02] apachelogger: but if you upgrade from karmic to lucid...does it work? or you have to change manually? [17:02] obviously enough, I as an oxygen tech dude care more about the names than the broken icons :P [17:02] lex79: change manually [17:02] omg [17:02] I suppose we could dump a plasma update script [17:03] Tonio__: Nevermind. [17:03] but I refuse that until aseigo stops hiding from me so that I can blame him for the 327 complaints I have on my things-that-are-wrong-with-plasma-list :P [17:04] no jonny when you need him :( [17:05] ScottK: oki ;) [17:06] Tonio__: Nevermind [17:06] apachelogger: what's the name of the icon? [17:06] ScottK: the "oki" was also for the "nevermind" :) === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [17:06] lex79: start-here-kubuntu in places [17:06] oh [17:07] actually I was wondering why kickoff defaults to apps icons anyway [17:07] JontheEchidna: ping [17:08] apachelogger: pong [17:08] JontheEchidna: can I desginate you as backup student for my ubuntu one proposal? [17:08] can someone reproduce bug 559364 ? [17:08] Launchpad bug 559364 in kpackagekit "kpackagekit refuses to obey users settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559364 [17:08] sure [17:08] JontheEchidna: cool [17:08] np [17:08] I didn't specify anyone for mine [17:10] JontheEchidna: you can specify me, I would port all of language-selector to C++ and send arne a cookie basket so he doesnt start look for an assassin ;) [17:10] ;) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:11] maybe i would even write in C [17:11] * apachelogger hasnt had written any useful thing in C yet [17:11] well, nothing big anyway [17:12] JontheEchidna: btw, check out my cloud http://i.imagehost.org/view/0021/drawing ^^ [17:13] that was stuff i didn't want to draw, so I made it a cloud ... fancy, huh? ;) [17:13] ;) [17:14] oh and btw plasma-widget-networkmanagement is named wrong in the experimental ppa... extra r in ppa [17:14] 0.9~svn1112085-0ubuntu1~ppar [17:15] apachelogger: What's your dbusmenu is FUBAR bug number? [17:15] someone can upload the fix for that bug 554069 ? [17:15] Launchpad bug 554069 in xscreensaver "xscreensaver activated on kubuntu after upgrade to lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554069 [17:15] ScottK: check out the stuff assigned to agateau [17:15] * apachelogger carefully shuffled everything his way ;) [17:16] apachelogger: it works for me now, is it still broken for you? [17:16] agateau: do I need ot relogin? [17:17] apachelogger: you probably need to at least restart plasma-desktop [17:17] * apachelogger crashes plasma ^^ [17:17] shtylman: There's going to be a Ubiquity upload today. Do you have anymore fixes ready to go in? [17:17] kquitapp plasma-desktop [17:18] is usually enough [17:18] :) [17:18] agateau: crashing is faster though ^^ [17:18] weeeh [17:18] agateau++ [17:18] seems all fixed [17:19] good! [17:19] and usbalen now :D [17:22] * txwikinger wonders why none of his Kubuntu desktops have any sound anymore [17:22] * apachelogger turned it off :P [17:22] * txwikinger thought so [17:23] pop music makes so much more sense if you dont hear it ^^ [17:23] * txwikinger wouldn't listen to that anyway [17:23] ScottK: nope [17:23] shtylman: OK. Kubuntu installer is an item of concern at the release team meeting today. [17:23] amichair: do you have any pending ubiquity fixes? or have they all been merged? [17:24] ScottK: concern? like too many open bugs? [17:24] shtylman: Yes. And stuff at least some people thought was fixed that wasn't. [17:28] ScottK: maybe cause amichair's branch wasn't merged yet? === evilshadeslayer is now known as evilshadeslayer_ === evilshadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer_ [17:32] shtylman: That'll help a lot? [17:32] cjwatson mentioned there would be some KDE fixes in today's upload. I hope that's it. [17:32] * apachelogger notes that merging from amichair branches always helps with getting rid of bugs in his experience [17:34] ScottK: it can't hurt :) ... what were the major issues? [17:37] shtylman: I don't have an exact list, just some concern from the meeting. [17:37] ScottK: gotcha [17:37] Maybe you and amichair could get together over the weekend and review the open bugs? [17:37] ScottK: well.. I will devote some time to the installer this weekend [17:37] Great. [17:38] unfortunately not much time during the week (you know how that goes) [17:38] Yep. [17:41] qt4-x11 built on ia64 this time. [17:41] * apachelogger thinks he wrote quite a bit there ^^ [17:48] heh.. the universe repo has gone wonky here [17:51] JontheEchidna: ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010/HaraldSitter if someone wants to proof read what I have so far [17:51] * apachelogger is afraid his eyes will start bleeding soon [17:52] Nightrose: ^ look how much writing I did ^^ [17:57] apachelogger: sorry - just got back [17:57] will have a look [17:57] Nightrose: no worries, I just wanted to show off with my massive proposal ^^ [17:59] haha [17:59] ok [18:02] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop [18:02] apachelogger: You might care to mention that a prototype desktopcouch backend for akonadi exists. It was demostrated on the joint desktop summit at gran canaria. [18:02] we haven't kdevelop in karmic or lucid archive [18:02] ScottK: where? [18:02] apachelogger: In your proposal. [18:03] ScottK: I mention it in the architecture [18:03] ;-) [18:03] Oh [18:03] and the time estimates down at the bottom [18:03] * apachelogger doesnt know how far along it really is though [18:03] no work happened for quite some months now [18:03] but we have kdevplatform beta in lucid https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevplatform [18:03] lol [18:03] and last i checked I didnt exactly get it to work [18:04] apachelogger: Ah. I think I was in TLDR mode through that part. [18:04] ^^ [18:05] You might also mention that integration with akonadi gets integration with other PIM applications for free. [18:05] * apachelogger finds the template a bit ugly tow ork on anyway [18:05] I would hav emade most of that stuff headers instead of list items [18:05] apachelogger: Nice architecture diagram. [18:05] ScottK: I also mentioned that somewhere [18:05] OK. [18:05] search for pim [18:05] :) [18:05] "When the basic DesktopCouch DB resource is done, we can dive into making Akonadi read and write data to the Ubuntu One database, which essentially means that we can sync about any PIM data via Ubuntu One." [18:06] That's any pim DATA. Not any pim APP. [18:06] well, any pim app is actually not true [18:06] any pim app that uses akonadi [18:06] Yes [18:06] evne more correct, any app that uses akonadi [18:06] * ScottK nods [18:06] no [18:06] not even that is true [18:07] any data that akonadi can eat [18:07] for example the bookmarks resource does not require anything on the kbookmark side of things AFAIK [18:07] the akonadi resource just parses the bookmarks.html of kbookmark and uses that as data resource [18:08] Just make it clear that investment in akonadi integration is a one time non-recurring effort that will enable Uone data to move to any number of applications as they are ported to use akonadi's data store. [18:08] k [18:08] [18:23] ScottK: implemented [18:23] Great. [18:25] Are there any K* related GSoC proposals we might want to see if Debian wants? It can't be upstream stuff. [19:19] ScottK: what display control problem? [19:20] debfx: tseliot is started looking into Bug #554948, but doesn't think he has time to code it all. Could you help? [19:20] Launchpad bug 554948 in kdebase-workspace "Display settings change defaults to keep, not revert" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554948 [19:21] It's a pretty important bug, IMO. [19:24] yeah, I'll have a look at it [19:26] well then [19:26] http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/apachelogger/t127083720323 [19:27] time for supper I suppose [19:27] kubotu: time [19:27] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Fri Apr 09 20:27 CEST [19:27] debfx: Here's the conversation we had about it: http://paste.debian.net/68192/ [19:27] half an hour until deadline for gsoc proposal sanyway [19:34] JontheEchidna: There's a new mlt to go with the kdenlive. Could you look into it. [19:35] sure. will do after I work on travel arrangements [19:36]