[00:04] <kklimonda> openchrome? back to the future? ;)
[00:05] <AK> I had upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 with latest kernel 19 , my sound recorder not working
[00:05] <AK> can anybody help me
[00:05] <Fishscene> AK - just to be sure, you know that 10.04 is in Beta, correct?
[00:05] <AK> Yes
[00:06] <AK> Its in development stage
[00:06] <AK> If my sound recorder works then skype for 2.1 (beta) will work
[00:07] <Fishscene> Unfortunately, I can't be of much help. Currently I'm upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 (Hopefully beta 2)
[00:08] <kklimonda> AK: you should report it
[00:09] <nonameNN> is any one having problems with exaile radio plugin?
[00:09] <bowser> hi all, in CCSM how can I enable something like "present all windows"?
[00:09] <bowser> like expose on mac
[00:10] <nonameNN> bowser: expose plugin does it
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> neezer, convert is part of the imagemagick package BTW (sorry if this is a repeat)
[00:11] <AK> I reported it to lunchpad Bug#555978
[00:11] <bowser> nonameNN, doesn't it just present the desktops?
[00:12] <nonameNN> bowser: u can configure it so that when u touoch one corner of ur screen it shows all windows
[00:12] <nonameNN> bowser: sorry its Scale plugin...
[00:13] <kklimonda> AK: Daniel is like the best person to deal with that - if he's working on this bug there isn't much we can do to help.
[00:14] <yofel> bug 555978
[00:15] <bowser> knoppies, got it, thank you!
[00:15] <AK> Thanks KKlimonda . we had produced some file.. There is some workaround should be there
[00:15] <AK> Yes ubottu ur correct
[00:18] <AK> internally some where needs to be adjusted to fix
[00:19] <yofel> AK: maybe talk to Daniel, he's called crimsun in here, I don't know if he's online and can answer you at the moment though
[00:22] <AK> He was online in ubuntu .. but was away
[00:24] <AK> I hv fedora running , dont face any issue like sound recorder, skype..Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, 10.04 facing any issues
[00:25] <AK> but like Ubuntu desktop, multimedia and CLI
[00:31] <marienz> how peculiar. apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install libffado2 libqt4-xml libxml++2.6-2, and apt-get autoremove wants to remove them again (this loops)
[00:31] <holstein> marienz: do you have ubuntustudio packages installed?
[00:32] <marienz> holstein: not according to dpkg -l '*ubuntu*', no. It's possible some leftover bits from my ppa are interfering. It'd help if apt-get dist-upgrade told me *why* it wants to install this stuff :)
[00:33] <Pici> does  aptitude why somepackagename help?
[00:33] <Pici> or why-not ?
[00:35] <marienz> libffado2 depends on libxml++2.6-2, so that's 1/3 explained
[00:36] <marienz> is there a way to find packages I have installed that aren't in any currently enabled repo?
[00:36] <__ka__> Hey folks, anyone know if there's better NIS support in 10.04?
[00:36] <holstein> i would probably just search around in synaptic
[00:37] <marienz> hmm, I'll do that once I have X working again then
[00:37] <holstein> OH
[00:37] <holstein> lol
[00:37] <__ka__> The main problems we've had in 8.04LTS is with hardware (i.e. USB sticks, sound cards, Administration stuff/sudo)
[00:37] <holstein> i forget what aptitude is like for a search
[00:37] <marienz> lack of working X is completely unrelated to that dep loop
[00:37] <__ka__> I was hoping someone could point me to some info on any updates/fixes here
[00:38] <holstein> __ka__: updates for lucid?
[00:38] <marienz> grr, still no X
[00:38] <holstein> updating to lucid?
[00:38] <marienz> yep, some kind of openchrome driver bug
[00:39] <holstein> marienz: i got a mininote
[00:39] <marienz> X works just fine except for the part where it turns off the lcd
[00:39] <holstein> HP2133
[00:39] <holstein> that thing is a pain
[00:39] <holstein> the VIA chip
[00:39] <marienz> (I'm logging in blindly through gdm because that brings the wireless up so I can ssh in)
[00:39] <holstein> skillz
[00:40] <holstein> its my girlfriends
[00:40] <holstein> its running JoliCloud right now
[00:40] <marienz> only now I'm not logging in. Bah, let's reboot.
[00:40] <__ka__> holstein, yeah, the NIS support
[00:40] <holstein> i need to get some time to try the lucid daily on it again though
[00:41] <DanaG> marienz: try ssh'ing into it, and using nm-connection-editor to set the wifi to "available to all users"
[00:41] <marienz> DanaG: it shouldn't be available to all users :)
[00:42] <marienz> but thanks for teaching me about the existence of nm-connection-editor
[00:42] <DanaG> What that does, anyway, is make it auto-connect even before login.
[00:42] <marienz> oh, that's that X app. nvm.
[00:44] <holstein> __ka__: so your running a NIS server?
[00:44] <holstein> on hardy?
[00:44] <holstein> and you want to upgrade to lucid?
[00:48] <idyle> Hi, for some reason when I resume lucid firefox doesn't respond to keyboard input, but once I close it and restart it's fine. Firefox is the only app that does this. Anyone heard of this/suggestions (file a new bug)?
[00:52] <__ka__> holstein, no, actually the server is a Mandriva box, I want the clients to be Lucid 10.04 LTS
[00:52] <__ka__> holstein, I've had issues with 8.04 as a client, because it required a lot of udev rule rewriting to get the groups to work out (i.e. local audio group had to be mapped to the NIS group id)
[00:53] <__ka__> holstein, honestly, though, I can switch to LDAP if Ubuntu supports that better -- I'm not married to either
[00:53] <holstein> __ka__: can you just try lucid?
[00:53] <holstein> do you have a machine you can install it on to test?
[00:54] <__ka__> holstein, as long as it's very, very secure (we get a *barrage* of attack attempts, constantly... we're sitting on a gigabit fiber network with 100+MBPS upload and 700+MPBS download... that's a lot of bandwidth to do a DDoS attack on)
[00:54] <__ka__> I'll try, but I didn't want to spend too much time on it
[00:54] <sayao> are there kernel 2.6.33 packages for lucid?
[00:54] <holstein> i cant imagine it getting less secure
[00:55] <__ka__> I was trying to find a list of changes in Lucid, and the few lists I found didn't mention NIS
[00:55] <__ka__> yeah, that's a really good point
[00:56] <__ka__> actually, has anyone here by any chance gotten Ubuntu to play well with a LDAP configuration?
[00:56] <Fishscene> What version of Ubuntu?
[00:57] <__ka__> 8.04 right now, but I was thinking if anyone's played around with the new likewise stuff in Lucid
[00:58] <__ka__> or ldap, even (still doing research on what likewise's capabilities are)
[01:06] <Vigo> Have the devs or anyone tried V8 ?
[01:06] <__ka__> the javascript engine?
[01:06] <Vigo> Yes
[01:09] <adalal> anyone know of a touchscreen calibration tool?
[01:12] <Vigo> adalal: I found something on the forums,,,,
[01:12] <Vigo> adalal: Is it a MicroTouch?
[01:12] <adalal> Vigo: oo, i'll have a look, thanks, do you remmeber where?
[01:13] <Vigo> adalal: here> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=158666<>is kinda older, but is a Hardware link in the third thread.
[01:14] <adalal> thanks again
[01:14] <Vigo> You are very welcome, I am still looking.
[01:15] <adalal> what's the program that shows you what the inputs are when you click them?
[01:16] <Vigo> adalal: I do not know of a program, yet,,,cat /dev/ttyS0
[01:17] <Vigo> That is a CLI command, I normally do not post those in IRC, that was a cpy/pste from that Ubuntu Forum thread, as I stated is rather old.
[01:29] <jbuncher> I upgraded from Karmic to lucid sometime during the beta, and my plymouth doesn't seem to be loading correctly.  It originally was kubuntu (I have both gnome and kde installed). I tried to switch it to the ubuntu plymouth by running the update-alternatives, but it only shows on shutdown, not on boot.  Can anyone assist?
[01:37] <Vigo> jbuncher: I did the Alt-f2 upgrade and it went very wrong, I had a backup, I ran that and did a download of the B1, seems to work well.
[01:39] <jbuncher> Vigo : well, I'm hoping to be able to upgrade my production partition in place without the reinstall
[01:42] <Vigo> jbuncher: Yes, and I hope that goes well, but the rule has always been make a backup of the stable OS and files.
[01:44] <jbuncher> well yeah, I keep backups.  Just want my pretty plymouth!
[01:44] <Vigo> jbuncher: Especially with Beta/Alpha stuff, it is stated do NOT put on a production machine.
[01:44] <Vigo> But I did.
[01:44]  * DanaG doesn't get a plymouth splash, since he happens to have a serial console in addition to local tty.
[01:44] <jbuncher> Vigo : I know, just wondering if it can be fixed, or if the bug will be fixed by the time of the official release.
[01:45] <Vigo> jbuncher: I am most certain that will or could be fixed by RC1, or later.
[01:45] <robin0800> adalal: there is gpointer device in software centre
[01:59] <Vigo> adalal: still here?
[02:00] <Vigo> robin8080: I also found another touchscreen thing in the Software Center.
[02:01] <Vigo> robin8080: It is in Themes and Tweaks section, pkg Calibrate Touchscreen.
[02:04] <grusum> jbuncher: the last update about an hour ago had two plymouth updates - don't know the result. have updated but not rbooted...
[02:05] <jbuncher> I think I got those already, no success.
[02:06] <jbuncher> as I mentioned, it works fine on shutdown, just not on boot.  I'm trying to find a way to look at the messages that get printed to the screen during the boot process  Does anyone know if those are stored in a log file?
[02:07] <Vigo> jbuncher: Yes, I am most certain they are. there is also a widget/tool that gives the output of boot process.
[02:08] <jbuncher> Vigo, I can't seem to find what file in /var/log/ it is.
[02:08] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[02:08] <Vigo> jbuncher: I am relooking also as I am trying to update.
[02:08] <DanaG> oh yeah, for me, plymouth refuses to show a splash, since I happen to have a serial console.
[02:09] <thiebaude> hope they get my bug fixed soon:)
[02:11] <jbuncher> DanaG, serial console?
[02:12] <DanaG> yeah.  it's good for grabbing logs of kernel panics.
[02:12] <DanaG> ... and such.
[02:15] <jbuncher> Vigo, DanaG : ahh...I bet I'm getting the issue because I didn't update-initramfs after I changed the plymouth theme link using update-alternatives
[02:15] <jbuncher> Vigo, DanaG :  will try it once these current updates come though (server going slow)
[02:17] <Vigo> Just fetched updates, did not see a plymouth thing, but lots of other things, let me boot and see if it is still stable.
[02:17] <DanaG> er, no need to ping me; I'm not a dev.  =þ
[02:18] <thiebaude> when i click shutdown the computer restarts, anyone know a work around that?
[02:19] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[02:29] <Bookman> I just tried to update but got a "Could not calculate update" error....is this a bug that should be reported?
[02:38] <Fishscene> Nope. The grub issue is still there.
[02:40] <Fishscene> It looks like when I update from 9.10, when it is installing the packages, I get a message with a tick box that says "continue without installing grub?". If I leave it unselected and click "next" nothing happens. It will only continue if I select that tick. This causes the OS to fail to boot.
[02:41] <Fishscene> I'm not quite sure how anyone can get the Beta's installed because this error occurs on the live CD installer, the internet-update method, live boxes and vm's.
[02:41] <Fishscene> live boxes = bare metal computers.
[02:43] <nhaines> Fishscene: it definitely wouldn't be a problem with bare metal vs. virtual machines.
[02:43] <Fishscene> I tested it just to be sure.
[02:43] <nhaines> Fishscene: much appreciated.  :)
[02:43] <Fishscene> Has anyone else reported this problem?
[02:43] <nhaines> You can install grub-pc afterwards, I believe, to actually install grub2.
[02:44] <nhaines> I am not aware (but am ignorant) of any active bugs.
[02:44] <Fishscene> lol
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Still not seeing 'Lubuntu' mentioned along with xubuntu/kubuntu/otherbuntus - wasent it supposed to become an officially supported variant?
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Or is it just a little slower in its releases.
[02:49] <Fishscene> What is Lubuntu?
[02:49] <jbuncher> Dr_Willis, I didn't think it was an officially supported variant.
[02:49] <bsmith093> can i extract an iso and burn it regularly
[02:50] <bsmith093> or do i have to write it as an image
[02:50] <jbuncher> bsmith093, write it as an image
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> bsmith093:  you want it bootable?
[02:50] <bsmith093> \yes
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> write as an image then.
[02:52] <bsmith093> im dualbooting xp and ubuntu lucid i want to resize the xp partition but gparted wont let me
[02:52] <Moc> going to try this b2 now
[02:52] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, what is lubuntu?
[02:53] <holstein> LXDE ubuntu
[02:53] <bsmith093> i can delete it or format it but the resize option is grasyed out
[02:53] <holstein> bsmith093: have you tried from a live CD?
[02:53] <bsmith093> no
[02:53] <holstein> might be becasue you are in a mounted partition
[02:53] <Bookman> I'm getting while trying to update: Could not calculate the upgrade
[02:53] <Bookman> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[02:53] <Bookman> The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> thats interesting.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> wonder qwhat would happen if you removed it manually then upgraded
[02:54] <holstein> hmm
[02:54] <holstein> i thought lubuntu was official now too
[02:55] <holstein> maybe on final release day
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> holstein:  yea. I seem to recall that statement   somewhere... from some official site.. :) but  who knows.
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> Id really like to see some Ubuntu-pick-a-desktop option on install.. so i dont need as many diffrent live cds :)
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Ive also noticed some annoying clonflicts when trying differnt WHATEVER-desktops together on the same install
[02:56] <holstein> yeah... WM-chooser
[02:56] <holstein> i guess theres a lot of themeing envolved
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Last i installed Lubuntu-desktop  it removed nm-applet and installed wicd.. which is really NOT what i wanted to use.
[02:56] <holstein> that keeps things the way they are
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Im talking about deeper issues the themes.
[02:57] <holstein> yeah
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> things like the default file manager for gnome gettting changed to thunar because you installed lubuntu-desktop :)
[02:57] <holstein> i would like to use LXDE with nautilus and NM
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> or kde's default file manager getting changed to thunar, or nautilus, when it shouldent be.
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> even having Ubuntu-desktop and the Unbuntu netbook  - on the same install. can cause some annoying quirks as well
[02:58] <holstein> yeah, you almost have to choose
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> kde4 has their netbook and normal interfaces  much easier to change btween
[02:59] <vexati0n> help! .. i installed KDE, hated it, so I uninstalled it, and now I don't have any sound at all.
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> vexati0n:  try reinstalling the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[03:00] <vexati0n> Dr_Willis, i've tried that. also tried reinstalling alsa-base, alsa-utils, and pulseaudio
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> I tend to rarely Uninstall things. :)
[03:00] <vexati0n> well kde is bad enough to warrant it :P
[03:01] <holstein> case in point...
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> vexati0n:  run  the alsamixer tool from the terminal. be sure your mixer leveles are not down.. I had that issue ages ago
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> I find KDE4 very useable now a days.
[03:01] <vexati0n> Dr_Willis, I did check alsamixer. the pulseaudio output monitor shows audio playing, but nothing comes from the speakers.
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> Runs very well on my netbook
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> vexati0n:  that is an odd issue then.
[03:02] <vexati0n> i can hear the pop sound when the system boots so i know the speakers are connected.
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> vexati0n:  dont have a headphone plugged into  the box do you? :)
[03:02] <vexati0n> so i'm at a loss
[03:02] <vexati0n> no, no headphones. this is an add-on card anyway not the on-board.
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> I spend an hr+ trouble shooting then realuised i had a adaptor jack plugged in so it thought i had headphones in :)
[03:03] <Moc> ok b2 install cd still bugy
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[03:03] <Moc> 10 min and it still havent loaded the ui
[03:04] <Moc> cd stop spining also....
[03:06] <Moc> alt-ctrl-[0-9] does nothing
[03:09] <Moc> trying again
[03:11] <Tohuw> Why is compiz being removed in today's dist-upgrade?
[03:12] <Moc> why wont b2 cd work
[03:12] <Tohuw> Also, bug 514950 is marked as "fix committed". how can i get my hands on this fix? I don't see it attached
[03:14] <Moc> nope cd stop spinning again
[03:15] <Moc> channel quiet
[03:16] <nhaines> Moc: did you verify the CD?
[03:16] <Moc> nhaines: how ?
[03:17] <Moc> md5 of the iso was fine
[03:17] <Moc> no idea hoe to test a ubuntu cd
[03:18] <nhaines> Moc: when you boot from it, if you press a key at the logo, you can do a media test.
[03:19] <Moc> will do
[03:22] <Moc> will it try to load the ui ?
[03:22] <Moc> because it fail before that
[03:22] <Moc> k got the check text
[03:30] <nhaines> Moc: great.  :)
[03:35] <Moc> my cd test  OK
[03:36] <Moc> no errors
[03:38] <Moc> anyone got b2 install cd problems ?
[03:39] <FFForever> how do I install fonts?
[03:40] <Moc> cp in ~/.fonts folder
[03:42] <nhaines> Double-click on font.
[03:44] <Moc> b2 cd wont boot for me
[03:47] <jbuncher> anyone else have metacity updates that want to remove compiz?
[03:47]  * holstein checking
[03:52] <nhaines> Moc: try to run the CD with 'splash' removed from the kernel parameters.
[03:53] <nhaines> you can do this at the same menu where you can choose to test the CD>
[03:54] <holstein> hmm
[03:54] <holstein> jbuncher: i do see that
[03:54] <holstein> The following packages will be REMOVED: compiz compiz-gnome
[03:54] <holstein> interesting
[03:54] <jbuncher> holstein, ok, thanks.  I can't seem to find *why* it wants to remove compiz.  Doesn't show up in the conflicts list.
[03:54] <holstein> maybe i'll wait til tomorrow
[03:54] <holstein> to update ;)
[03:57] <bencc1> does iptables block everything by default on lucid?
[03:57] <bencc1> on Jaunty a webserver worked and now on lucid desktop I can't access it
[03:57] <nhaines> No, because then networking wouldn't work at all?
[03:57] <bencc1> thanks. so it must be some other problem
[03:59] <bencc1> nhaines: works. thanks
[03:59] <nhaines> bencc1: :D
[04:00] <nhaines> What fixed it?
[04:01] <DanaG> argh, ubuntuone-syncdaemon is using 100% CPU.
[04:01] <bencc1> nhaines: I'm using luxid under vbox and I needed to change the connection type (bridged connection)
[04:01] <nhaines> bencc1: great.  :)  Glad you found it.
[04:02] <DanaG> It doesn't deal well with huge numbers (thousands) of files.
[04:03] <DanaG> 22,189 items, totalling 154.6 MB
[04:06] <Moc> trying
[04:08] <Moc> i see hardware error for st0
[04:08] <Moc> sr0
[04:09] <Moc> un hanfled sense code
[04:10] <Moc> lol with quiet and splash i get to the ui
[04:11] <Moc> ^^^^ removed
[04:22] <randomusr_> I installed nagios on 10.04, but apparently Forgot the password. how can I reset it?
[04:22] <Berzerker> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[04:22] <Berzerker>   compiz compiz-gnome
[04:22] <Berzerker> what's with the latest update?
[04:22] <vbabiy> Any one elses window borders break in updating to beta2
[04:23] <vbabiy> and no compiz
[04:23] <Bookman> I am getting the following and I'm not sure how to correct it when trying to upgrade from Beta1 to Beta2:Could not calculate the upgrade
[04:23] <Bookman> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[04:23] <Bookman> The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.
[04:23] <Bookman>   
[04:24] <justin_> can anybody help me with a KDE issue?
[04:24] <James147> justin_: ask your question :)
[04:25] <justin_> I can't get sound from anything but Amarock, Dragon player, or the system sounds
[04:25] <justin_> Mostly, i's like to watch non-muted youtube videos
[04:26] <Moc> found the issues with the setup CD
[04:26] <James147> justin_: by anything, do you mean anything, or jsut flash?
[04:26] <justin_> I dunno, pandora doesn't work
[04:26] <Moc> might be related that I use a docking station for my laptop, and it try to set my external monitor resolution to my laptop internal screen
[04:27] <justin_> and i have pingus (a lemmings clone) installed and dont get that sound
[04:27] <Berzerker> so the latest beta2 removed compiz? now I have no visual effects...
[04:28] <Moc> after B2 install, software update say partial install was present
[04:28] <Moc> it say distribution upgrade here
[04:28] <justin_> berzerker: could be because of Apple getting patent on coverflow
[04:28] <Berzerker> oh really?
[04:29] <justin_> yeah, check out OSNews
[04:29] <justin_> Apple is crazy these days
[04:29] <Zenker> i want to install the new beta, and i want it to be a freash install, i currently have ubuntu 9.10 i want to complete wipe it out n reformat or whatever, what steps do i need 2 take?
[04:30] <Moc> Zenker: if you did your backup, when booting the b2 cd, it will ask you where/how to install it on your hd
[04:30] <Moc> just select the option that will wipe everything if that what you want
[04:31] <Zenker> Moc no backup needed i was dual booting  w windows vista and i moved all the files i wanted 2 save over to my  public folder
[04:31] <Zenker> i do want to keep vista though
[04:31] <Moc> Zenker: hhaa ;) different story
[04:31] <Moc> just tell to keep the current partition and format only the one you want to format
[04:32] <Zenker> right , i should said that form the get=go rofl
[04:32] <Moc> b2 nvidia driver install is broken !! great
[04:32] <Moc> Zenker: wait a bit, b2 is more problematic than b1 for me so far
[04:32] <Zenker> will it run from disk?
[04:33] <Zenker> i did plan on testing n stuff 1st :)
[04:33] <bjsnider> nvidia-current is not borked
[04:33] <bjsnider> it works fine
[04:33] <Moc> bjsnider: I just installed B2 CD, and the hardware nvidia install process fail
[04:33] <flansuse> Will upgrading to Lucid be the only way to get Tomboy Notes 1.2.0?
[04:34] <Zenker> i dont have nvidia, thankfully, but last time i tried it i couldnt get any sound (the old beta)
[04:34] <flansuse> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy
[04:34] <bjsnider> Moc, there's an error message that's completely meaningless. it installed and will work after a reboot
[04:35] <Moc> k trying to reboot
[04:35] <Zenker> do i need to mess with the swap or anything?
[04:36] <Zenker> i reinstalled ubuntu 9.10 once and i had 2 do something with it, but i cannot remember what i had 2 do or even what i did to reinstall
[04:36] <justin_> zenker: you should probably leave the swap where it was from the previous install.
[04:36] <Moc> bjsnider: your right, it working now
[04:36] <Zenker> oh, i can still run it from the disk right? just 2 check it out?
[04:36] <Moc> bjsnider: didn't had this problem in B1
[04:37] <justin_> zenker, yes
[04:37] <flansuse> If I am using Karmic with full encryption (swap, root, home), will doing a dist-upgrade continue to use the encrypted partitions and load the proper modules, etc?
[04:37] <Moc> Fn+ still doesn't work
[04:37] <Moc> anyway, sleep time
[04:37] <Zenker> sleep well
[04:37] <Moc> hx
[04:37] <flansuse> In others, will upgrading to Lucid retain my full disk encryption setup?
[04:38] <justin_> is this the correct channel for Kubuntu issues
[04:38] <justin_> if they are lucid
[04:38] <sebsebseb> justin_: yes
[04:39] <justin_> sebsebseb: I am having sound issues
[04:39] <sebsebseb> justin_: not my area, plus I don't tend to use Kubuntu
[04:39] <sebsebseb> !sound
[04:40] <justin_> I but I can get sound from Amarock and Dragon player
[04:40] <justin_> just not anything web based or games
[04:40] <sebsebseb> !details | justin_
[04:41] <justin_> I am running Kubuntu 10.04. I started Konqueror and went to Youtube. The video plays. The sound does not. I expected the sound to play with the video
[04:44] <Bookman> This Bindwood is now trying to start up everytime I start up Firefox, but it never completes its startup.  Just a continuosly growing dotted line.  Is this a new feature of some sort?
[04:49] <Bookman> One that maybe doesn't work?
[04:50] <Bookman> Anyone here?
[04:51] <Bookman> Hello????
[04:55] <Bookman> Is this channel working?
[04:55] <hanasaki> anyone else having issues wit the volume applet in the panel disappearing?  how can I get it back?
[04:56] <hanasaki> Bookman:  shhhhhhhhhhh
[04:56] <MTughan> Bookman: We see your messages. Probably no one paying attention ATM.
[05:05] <randomusr__> other than ffmpeg is there any other codecs i need to play dvd's?
[05:06] <randomusr__> other than ffmpeg is there any other codecs i need to play dvd's?
[05:08] <bahodir> hi guys, can anybody help me with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9095949#post9095949
[05:08] <bahodir> thanks
[05:13] <randomusr__> do i need to add repos to 10.04 to get modules to play dvd's?
[05:14] <bahodir> anybody?
[05:14] <otho> installing ubuntu-restricted-extras from the main repos helps here
[05:14] <randomusr__> how can i do that otho?
[05:15] <otho> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:17] <otho> bahodir, have you tried just running "sudo apt-get -f install"
[05:17] <bahodir> otho, yes, I've tried it
[05:17] <bahodir> i get the same error
[05:17] <bahodir> i can't even install insall-info package manually because I get the same error
[05:20] <voss749> I find it funny that 10.4 beta is more stable than the 9.10 release version
[05:28] <DanaG> argh, trying to add a certificate exception keeps segfaulting my firefox.
[05:30] <DanaG> https://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~bellardo/courses/2104/464/
[05:30] <DanaG> Note: yes, there is a security error there, and no, you shouldn't have a login...
[05:30] <DanaG> but I want to see if it segfaults anyone else's firefox.
[05:32] <AnxiousNut> help, im facing major bug, look at these images, this isnt the first time this happens to me http://imgur.com/a/Z8L68/ubuntu_lucid_major_bug
[05:32] <ZykoticK9> otho, just an FYI but DVD playback isn't in restricted-extras but can be installed using libdvdread4 (then running a script, which will install dvd from medibuntu without adding the repo), just saw your advice to randomusr_ but they're gone
[05:34] <AnxiousNut> that is english, by the way
[05:36] <ZykoticK9> AnxiousNut, i don't mean to alarm you, but you seem to be missing some letters!  sorry, it's a humour bug/issue (if you're not experiencing it firsthand ;) I have no ideas at all though.
[05:37] <AnxiousNut> they are not missing, they're colorless!
[05:37] <ZykoticK9> AnxiousNut, distinction noted ;)
[05:38] <AnxiousNut> and i wouldnt be able to read this if it was still on my screen, restarting gdm helped to remove it
[05:41] <stealth-> hola :)
[05:41] <ZykoticK9> stealth- basically so long as they keep there system up-to-date it will be the same as the final release.  I'm gonna send the !beta message after.
[05:41] <ZykoticK9> !beta
[05:41] <stealth-> Awesome, thanks :D
[05:42] <stealth-> Sorry for being a little dumb there, I usually don't deal with ubuntu
[05:42] <ZykoticK9> stealth-, it isn't "dumb" at all!  most people don't know that fact.
[05:43] <digital_1> Ok Beta 2 has turned my PC into a bowling alley hand dryer... just puts out hot air.
[05:43] <stealth-> ZykoticK9: Ah, okay then :)
[05:43] <ZykoticK9> stealth-, that !beta message was created for a reason!  (I believe it's fairly new as well)
[05:43] <digital_1> Anyone else getting stuck on the boot splash?
[05:43] <digital_1> How can I see what's going on under the hood-- the console output?
[05:44] <ZykoticK9> stealth-, one other thing.  Be sure the person doesn't do "Partial Upgrades" from Update Manager - you should warn them not too.
[05:44] <digital_1> This is the first Ubuntu beta that did this- and I have a pretty mainstream PC.
[05:44] <digital_1> I think it's related to Plymouth
[05:45] <stealth-> ZykoticK9: Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
[05:45] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, it is freezing at plymouth?
[05:45] <stealth-> digital_1: I think it's alt+F2 to see console output while booting
[05:46] <Blank__> alt+F2 is to run something while logged into a DE
[05:46] <Blank__> ctrl+alt+F2 would change your screen to the second virtual terminal
[05:47] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, can you do what Blank__ suggested above?  ctrl+alt+f1 working?
[05:47] <digital_1> ZykoticK9:  Yes, trying now.  Typing from a netbook so I'm a bit slower.  Sorry.
[05:49] <stealth-> Blank__: yeah, but while booting I thought it was just alt+f2
[05:50] <digital_1> Ok this is really strange.  The first two times it hung.  This time it booted into the Live CD.   I'm going to try to re-create the error that happened the first two times.
[05:50] <Blank__> not sure stealth-... haven't really needed to
[05:53] <Nalf> Does anyone know the status on the ATI drivers?
[05:54] <Fishscene> What is the official Ubuntu 10.04 theme called?
[05:54] <digital_1> "Fiasco"
[05:54] <digital_1> j/k
[05:54] <ZykoticK9> Fishscene, light - but there are 2 sub themes
[05:54] <Fishscene> lol
[05:55] <Fishscene> I see Ambiance and Radiance which have the new look of the toolbar.. are those the 2 new ones?
[05:55] <ZykoticK9> Fishscene, yes - those are the 2 sub themes
[05:56] <Fishscene> ok. Thanks :)
[05:56] <theyCallMeJohnny> hi where can i configure the sound volume?
[05:56] <theyCallMeJohnny> i cant find the applet any more
[05:56] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, indicator
[05:57] <digital_1> The installer is well-polished.  They did a nice job on that.
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, side note if you want to remove the mail, but leave the volume - just remove indicator-messages
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> that's a package btw
[05:58] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, i think the beta2 install is good as well!
[05:59] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, was the firefox icon missing in your install?
[05:59] <theyCallMeJohnny> ZykoticK9: i cant find it -.-
[05:59] <digital_1> ZykoticK9- I'll check its installing now
[05:59] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, are you using Ubuntu?
[05:59] <theyCallMeJohnny> yes
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, "indicator Applet" in "add to panel"
[06:01] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, do you see a mail icon in your panel?
[06:01] <theyCallMeJohnny> ZykoticK9: no :)
[06:01] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, "indicator Applet" in "add to panel"
[06:01] <theyCallMeJohnny> thats the porblem, plus i dont have an english installation
[06:01] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, "indicator" is translated differently that's for sure!
[06:01] <theyCallMeJohnny> ZykoticK9: ah found it
[06:02] <theyCallMeJohnny> ugly translated
[06:02] <theyCallMeJohnny> the one is like "notification field"
[06:02] <theyCallMeJohnny> and the one i looked for is named "notifiction area"
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> i noticed that when someone else posted it - forget what language it was - but it didn't seem like a clean translation
[06:03] <theyCallMeJohnny> german here
[06:03] <ZykoticK9> i wouldn't understand german, so it was something else
[06:04] <theyCallMeJohnny> why is it that applet grouped togheter?
[06:04] <theyCallMeJohnny> feels completely unlogical
[06:04] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, ? new design
[06:05] <ZykoticK9> i find there is too much space in between the icons
[06:06] <theyCallMeJohnny> imho the ubuntu specific changes kinda suck whereas the gnome 2.30 changes rock
[06:06] <venger> if you don't want the indicator you can add the volume control in startup apps so it comes up by itself
[06:07] <theyCallMeJohnny> venger: whats the cmd?
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> OMG they fixed the mouse wheel control of the volume!
[06:08] <philsf> hello, I can't use apport-collect - it crashes all the time, since I upgraded to the beta today http://paste.ubuntu.com/411195/
[06:08] <philsf> any hints on how to fix this?
[06:08] <venger> theyCallMeJohnny, i'm on console compiling on my lucid box but i think it was gnome-volume-control something like that ,, you may want to try it in terminal first
[06:09] <theyCallMeJohnny> venger: ty
[06:09] <DanaG> Can someone see if trying to add a security exception for here, crashes firefox?
[06:09] <DanaG> https://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~bellardo/courses/2104/464/
[06:09] <theyCallMeJohnny> brb
[06:10] <philsf> DanaG, no crash
[06:10] <DanaG> Weird.
[06:10] <DanaG> It crashes Firefox for me.
[06:10] <philsf> DanaG, everytime? tryed in safe mode?
[06:11] <venger> DanaG, you could launch fox from terminal to see what it dumps
[06:11] <DanaG> it's crashing in hash4.
[06:11] <theyCallMeJohnny> what was the package called again with dontzap
[06:12] <digital_1> DanaG didn't crash for me either
[06:12] <DanaG> Weird.
[06:12] <digital_1> Did it crash before it tried to authenticate you
[06:12] <digital_1> ?
[06:12] <ZykoticK9> !dontzip > theyCallMeJohnny
[06:13] <theyCallMeJohnny> !dontzap > theyCallMeJohnny
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> !dontzap > theyCallMeJohnny
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> sorry you got it
[06:13] <theyCallMeJohnny> np
[06:13] <DanaG> Yup.
[06:13] <DanaG> Oh, and now clicking the "Add exception..." button is doing nothing.
[06:14] <DanaG> Error: this._observerService is undefined
[06:14] <DanaG> Source File: file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.6.3/components/nsSessionStore.js  Line: 2582
[06:15] <theyCallMeJohnny> ZykoticK9: wow, thats great solution
[06:16] <theyCallMeJohnny> but why is it in options in keyboard instead in keyboard shortcuts :P
[06:16] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/nDDrERZm
[06:18] <theyCallMeJohnny> hm i cant install gnome-shell
[06:18] <theyCallMeJohnny> not ready yet?
[06:19] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, do you have a xmlrunner or similar stuck in your update manager?
[06:19] <theyCallMeJohnny> ZykoticK9: metacity and kde workspacedata are currently stuck
[06:19] <ZykoticK9> sorry it's xulrunner-1.9.1 - requirement of gnome-shell that's currently not ready
[06:20] <ZykoticK9> gnome-shell is working on my machine, but was installed before said update
[06:20] <theyCallMeJohnny> hm is it safe to run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:20] <theyCallMeJohnny> it wants to remove metacity
[06:20] <DanaG> hmm, still segfaults even in safe-mode.
[06:21] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, i'm a big fan of apt-get, but after running a development release i think - "aptitiude safe-upgrade" is the way to go!
[06:22] <theyCallMeJohnny> y ty
[06:23] <digital_1> I've installed but I can't boot cleanly... hmmm
[06:23] <digital_1> Anyone remember how to supress the boot splash?
[06:23] <digital_1> I want to see where it hangs
[06:24] <EruditeHermit> hello, is there a way to work around the pre dependency problem on amd64 when upgrading to lucid?
[06:25] <vbabiy> Any one else have window decorator issues after the update.
[06:25] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, see "show text..." on http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth
[06:25] <digital_1> Thanks ZykoticK9
[06:26] <theyCallMeJohnny> hehe cool empathy supports irc
[06:26] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, BARELY
[06:26] <theyCallMeJohnny> at least you can chat
[06:26] <theyCallMeJohnny> and why cant i resize the input window :/
[06:27] <ZykoticK9> theyCallMeJohnny, there is a bug where you can't add irc account as the first account - empathy basically says they won't fix it, as they're irc support is so poor
[06:28] <theyCallMeJohnny> pidgin started that bad idea with the really small inputwindow
[06:28] <theyCallMeJohnny> why do they have to copy it
[06:32] <digital_1> ahhh cool your info helped me disable the splash and now it boots fine... weird.
[06:32] <digital_1> Thanks Zykotick9
[06:32] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, glad to help
[06:37] <digital_1> You're on here alot helping.  That's pretty cool.
[06:39] <ZykoticK9> potatofamily,  Nvidia Proprietary driver users only got a GUI plymouth about 10 days ago - until now we've had text plymouth (which is more lame then what we have now), but i think the nvidia is locked to 640x480 right now.
[06:39] <potatofamily> ZykoticK9, thanks
[06:40] <vrhahaha> hi guys, i need help with wubi lucid installation
[06:40] <DanaG> hmm, I wish they'd use uvesafb, not vga16fb.
[06:41] <vrhahaha> it has stuck at 94% Installing language packs Running dpkg for quite some time now
[06:41] <vrhahaha> any suggestion for what i should do with it?
[06:41] <ZykoticK9> vrhahaha, downloading language packs took FOREVER on a couple of my installs - there is a skip button
[06:42] <digital_1> Is it looking for an outside connection it can't get to?
[06:42] <Tohuw> ugh, this latest update (removing compiz) has utterly borked me. what do i do to make metacity --replace permanent?
[06:43] <vrhahaha> i am assuming there is an internet connection, since i can browse fine with mozilla from the installation slideshow links
[06:43] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, did you do a Partial upgrade of some sort?
[06:43] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: all that was available
[06:43] <Tohuw> was trying to get some other needed updates
[06:43] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, when it started did you get a Partial message?
[06:43] <Tohuw> i can just reinstall compiz, but that breaks ubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <Tohuw> yes
[06:44] <chandru_in> For some reason today's update has removed compiz from my system.  And I'm unable to install it back without removing metacity.  Why have they been made mutually exclusive with this update?
[06:44] <Tohuw> ^
[06:44] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, in future - DO NOT do partial upgrades!  use "aptitiude safe-upgrade" instead
[06:44] <jdsbluedevl> chandru_in: that's exactly what I was going to complain about
[06:44] <dubbydubby> yeah i was reading my update and went online to check what was going on before pressing go
[06:44] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: I've been doing partial upgrades in every beta since 6.10, and this is one of the worst breaks yet :P
[06:44] <dubbydubby> obviously someone messed up
[06:44] <ZykoticK9> chandru_in, jdsbluedevl see my message to Tohuw
[06:45] <digital_1> ZykoticK9:  I think it was you who asked about the Firefox icon?   They're installed for me.
[06:45] <jdsbluedevl> ZykoticK9: I used the Update Manager
[06:45] <chandru_in> ZykoticK9: I didn't do a partial update.  I did a normal apt-get distupgrade
[06:45] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, it was only during the install that the icon was missing
[06:45] <ZykoticK9> jdsbluedevl, i use Update Manager too - but as soon as it says partial - i use the aptitude command to not remove anything
[06:46] <potatofamily> ZykoticK9: I want use usplash again, but 10.04 can not use usplash now
[06:46] <ZykoticK9> jdsbluedevl, removing things is bad, cause you can't reinstall until the dependancy is ready
[06:46] <chandru_in> ZykoticK9: What is the whole point of partial upgrades?
[06:46] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: I'm just trying to follow the mainline and see where it goes. and right now the mainline dictates compiz and metacity are mutually exclusive (though it didn't touch compiz-core)
[06:46] <dubbydubby> its because compiz does not use the new metacity yet
[06:46] <ZykoticK9> potatofamily, good luck with that!  not sure if it's even possible
[06:46] <jdsbluedevl> Also, I'm getting something about a Deskbar Applet is having a problem
[06:46] <Tohuw> dubbydubby: ah
[06:46] <vrhahaha> Zykotic9, the skip button is not there
[06:47] <ZykoticK9> chandru_in, Partial Upgrade = break system
[06:47] <jdsbluedevl> ZykoticK9: I was upgrading from Karmic
[06:47] <dubbydubby> in the package manager, package - force
[06:47] <dubbydubby> and keep metacity to the current version
[06:47] <dubbydubby> to keep compiz
[06:47] <dubbydubby> and do the rest of the update
[06:47] <chandru_in> ZykoticK9: But what's the point in pushing such an update (even if it is just beta still)?
[06:47] <DexterLB> how do I update from beta1 to beta2?
[06:47] <dubbydubby> DexterLB it does so auto
[06:47] <DexterLB> in update-manager -d there are lots of packages under "Distro upgrade" section
[06:47] <DexterLB> is that it?
[06:48] <Tohuw> because advance relases are for testing
[06:48] <ZykoticK9> chandru_in, in a day (or many more) the dependant package will be fixed and all will be well again.  If you don't feel like waiting on a particular package, you can use aptitude to install what can be upgraded
[06:48] <Tohuw> not for stability
[06:48] <joey_> Question: I recently upgraded to the lucid beta, it's working great, except I can't get the Indicator Session Applet to update my status on facebook. What outputs would be helpful in diagnosing this? Does anybody know if this is a common problem?
[06:49] <jdsbluedevl> ZykoticK9: I guess I'll just wait, then.  I just want to make sure that the Internet pass-through to my Roku box still works, though
[06:49] <chandru_in> ZykoticK9: now that my compiz is removed I'd have to manually install it back when the dependencies are fixed right?
[06:49] <Tohuw> chandru_in: chances are a new version of compiz will appear in an upcoming upgrade
[06:49] <vrhahaha> ZykoticK9: in the case there is no skip button, is there anything else that i can do?
[06:50] <ZykoticK9> chandru_in, i'm under the impression that you won't be able to reinstall anything that was removed until it's fixed (thus don't remove anything! metacity/compiz/gnome-shell are all working on my system right now, cause i don't remove anything)
[06:50] <Tohuw> vrhahaha: you can always skip or cancel an update
[06:50] <ZykoticK9> vrhahaha, wait i guess
[06:50] <Tohuw> if you want a system that isn't broken, +1 isn't for you
[06:50] <chandru_in> thanks ZykoticK9
[06:50] <vrhahaha> Tohuw: it is not an update, but a wubi install
[06:50] <Tohuw> of 10.04?
[06:50] <jdsbluedevl> I was under the impression that Beta 2 of an LTR would be more stable
[06:51] <Tohuw> no
[06:51] <jdsbluedevl> being that it's running right up to the RC
[06:51] <Tohuw> you don't expect stability until final release
[06:51] <Tohuw> that's the way it works
[06:51] <jdsbluedevl> and being that it's an LTR, it should be super-stable
[06:51] <vrhahaha> ZykoticK9: i have been waiting for more than half an hour
[06:51] <ZykoticK9> vrhahaha, i don't know what to suggest, sorry.
[06:51] <digital_1> Tohuw:  This seems a little rougher around the edges than most betas
[06:51] <Tohuw> once you're on a pre-release and running dist-upgrades, you are on more or less the nightly trunk
[06:51] <jdsbluedevl> to tell you the truth, I haven't had problems with Ubuntu betas up until Karmic
[06:51] <Tohuw> digital_1: I take it you weren't around for 7.04 beta 1 then
[06:51] <vrhahaha> ZykoticK9: thanks anyway
[06:52] <Andre_Gondim> My firefox isn't browsing
[06:52] <Tohuw> most wifi support dropped completely, nvidia-glx was broken and fglrx completely disappeared
[06:52] <dubbydubby> xserver-common is also being updated
[06:52] <jpg> how to install firefox 10.04 on ubuntu 10.04
[06:52] <dubbydubby> thats important
[06:52] <digital_1> Tohuw:  Wish I could remember that far back!
[06:52] <Tohuw> there is no firefox 10.04
[06:52] <dubbydubby> that might also be a big break
[06:52] <joey_> Anybody know of problems with the Me-menu?  I recently upgraded to the lucid beta, it's working great, except I can't get the Indicator Session Applet to update my status on facebook. What outputs would be helpful in diagnosing this? Does anybody know if this is a common problem?
[06:52] <jpg> how to installl firefox 3.5 on ubuntu 10.04
[06:52] <DexterLB> Andre_Gondim: explain
[06:52] <dubbydubby> firefox 3.6.3
[06:52] <dubbydubby> is the newest
[06:52] <Andre_Gondim> since last update I cant see any page
[06:52] <Tohuw> jpg: it's already installed, unless you've done something strange
[06:52] <jdsbluedevl> any hopes of getting Firefox Lorentz in the repos?
[06:53] <DexterLB> jpg: why'd you need an older version
[06:53] <dubbydubby> firefox 3.5 is in synaptic package manager
[06:53] <Tohuw> joey_: file a bug against me-menu on launchpad, ask them what logs they want
[06:53] <digital_1> Andre- try running Firefox in safe mode?
[06:53] <dubbydubby> everyone is getting lorentz
[06:53] <dubbydubby> its the default
[06:54] <jdsbluedevl> Also, I seem to be having trouble with alsamixer, something that has been a problem since Karmic.  Every time I boot up, alsamixer mutes the master and PCM controls, forcing me to open it up after every boot and undo the damage
[06:54] <digital_1> So what's the deal with Yahoo search as the default?  Blah!
[06:54] <Andre_Gondim> Now I see a bindwood when Firefox is starting
[06:54] <jdsbluedevl> is there a way to fix this?  this was really annoying in Karmic, and it isn't fixed in Lucid, so I'm sure it's something particular about my system
[06:55] <DanaG> Lorentz?  What's that?
[06:56] <dubbydubby> its a plugin for firefox that stops other plugins from crashing firefox
[06:56] <dubbydubby> lol
[06:56] <dubbydubby> so flash crashes it doesn't crash the whole browser
[06:56] <jdsbluedevl> can anyone help with my alsamixer problem?
[06:56] <DanaG> Same idea as nspluginwrapper?
[06:56] <Tohuw> interesting, compiz is now bound to compiz-kde
[06:56] <joey_> Tohuw: I could file a but, I'm just wondering if anybody else is having the same problem cause I'm not 100% sure that it's a problem on the desktop end...
[06:57] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, does anybody else have the problem that since the last update nautilus doesn't display all hard disks but the mounted ones in computer:///?
[06:58] <dubbydubby> not I PolitikerNEU
[06:58] <Andre_Gondim> my firefox in -safe-mode don't see any page too
[06:59] <ZykoticK9> PolitikerNEU, i've never looked before (so can't confirm really), but currently my Nautilus is only showing mounted in computer as well.
[06:59] <digital_1> jdsbluedevl: Have you tried Googling that?  That seems a familiar issue.
[06:59] <Tohuw> why does gnome-shell require kdebase-runtime? how odd
[07:00] <Tohuw> Andre_Gondim: are you connected on the system in question, or from another computer?
[07:01] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, "apt-cache showpkg gnome-shell" doesn't show kdebase-runtime as a dependency on my system?
[07:02] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: you didn't upgrade ;)
[07:02] <Tohuw> the "partial upgrade" includes the latest package changes
[07:02] <xfact> Hello
[07:02] <Tohuw> such as compiz-gnome conflicting with metacity
[07:03] <xfact> I have one problem after running one partial upgrade in Lucid (Probably to B2) my visual effects totally disabled and can't be enabled, whats should I do?
[07:04] <Tohuw> xfact: compiz was removed. More specifically, compiz-gnome
[07:04] <Tohuw> Your visual effects will be broken until further updates
[07:04] <Tohuw> if your title bars are gone, run metacity --replace
[07:04] <Tohuw> and wait
[07:04] <Tohuw> WELCOME TO THE DARK AGES
[07:05] <digital_1> Tohuw- Why do I have Compiz then?
[07:05] <jdsbluedevl> digital_1: some of the solutions I found are old and useless
[07:05] <DanaG> We have to wait for compiz to be rebuilt.
[07:05] <xfact> My title bars working (sometimes not)
[07:05] <Tohuw> digital_1: if you have compiz installed still, you didn't upgrade
[07:05] <DanaG> aptitude changelog metacity
[07:05] <digital_1> I saw a bug filed related to Pulse Audio that's been going on for quite some time...
[07:05] <Tohuw> hi DanaG
[07:05] <DanaG> y'ello
[07:05] <Tohuw> my fglrx broke again, so i fixed it again
[07:06] <Tohuw> ati is pretty swell that way
[07:06] <xfact> Is the problem with graphics card driver? Should i reinstall it?
[07:06] <Tohuw> xfact:
[07:06] <Tohuw> xfact: no.
[07:06] <xfact> ohh
[07:06] <Tohuw> if your title bars are not working, run metacity --replace
[07:06] <digital_1> jdsbluedevl:  Take a look at this link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/402950
[07:06] <Tohuw> your desktop effects will not work until further notice
[07:07] <Tohuw> digital_1: btw you can just say bug 402950
[07:07] <Tohuw> just so you know
[07:07] <xfact> Tohuw, Ohh, I am little visual effect lover, so it's a bad news for me :(
[07:07] <Tohuw> we need this in the topic: "If you don't like things breaking, don't use alphas, betas and RCs!"
[07:08] <Tohuw> these are for testing. stuff will break. live with it or don't upgrade. *rant off*
[07:08] <ZykoticK9> !lucid
[07:08] <jdsbluedevl> digital_1: I guess that means I have to manually download the pulseaudio package, right?
[07:08] <digital_1> Tohuw- Do they even change the RC very much?  I mean they only have a week to work with.
[07:08] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: "(02:07:50) Tohuw: we need this in the topic:" ;)
[07:08] <xfact> Ok ok, I understand I said 'it's bad news' not I am unhappy :)
[07:08] <gatestone> Working quite nicely in VMware Player here, on top of XP.
[07:09] <Tohuw> digital_1: not really, most of it is frozen. but some rcs have issues that are fixed hours before official release
[07:09] <gatestone> Except that the VMWare Tools said that X version is not supported, and resolution does not change automatically when resizing VMware guest window.
[07:09] <digital_1> jdsbluedevil:  I'm not sure.  All I'm saying is that you have company out there with this problem.   I know I've seen it before.  I'd do a little more background research before I'd install a newer version of PulseAudio outside the package manager.
[07:10] <Tohuw> gatestone: xserver-common just got an update. VMWare has layered emulation or somesuch for X that probably does not yet correctly support the latest version of X Server
[07:10] <gatestone> But you can change manually. BTW, changin resolution from  "Monitor" is confusing. Why "Screen resolution" was removed?
[07:10] <digital_1> Tohuw:   I thought that I was the only developer who submitted builds hours before a release. : )
[07:10] <Tohuw> gatestone: because you can change more there than just the screen resolution
[07:11] <Tohuw> digital_1: nope :P
[07:12] <gatestone> And I wonder, when will there an easier way to give feedback. Like now if I would like to complain about Empathy and Gwibber bugd/misfeatures, I would have to know which of the half-a-dozen Ubuntu support channels is the right one, or which of the hard-to-find-upstream supoort channels are appropriate...
[07:13] <Tohuw> gatestone: if you want to give feedback, support channels are not the place, bug reports are :) most of ubuntu's managed projects are on launchpad. most of gnome's managed projects are on gnome's bugzilla
[07:13] <DanaG> For me, gwibber is quite literally unusable.
[07:13] <DanaG> As in, it doesn't even open.
[07:13] <Tohuw> for everyone
[07:13] <Tohuw> it is various kinds of unstable
[07:13] <Tohuw> from not opening to 100% cpu utilization
[07:13] <Tohuw> there's a fix committed; it inappropriately calls gnome-keyring
[07:14] <gatestone> Tohuw, I want a system, where every opionion of the potential billion not-yet-Linux users will get semiautomatically collected, triaged and handled.
[07:14] <Tohuw> gatestone: /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -c %f
[07:14] <digital_1> NTFS file ops seem faster
[07:14] <Tohuw> gatestone: how will you get every developer of every software to all agree on one system?
[07:15] <gatestone> I am using Empathy here. Though wou can not create an IRC account on the opening wizard, you have to quit it and then create a new account, which gives more oprions like IRC....????
[07:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/546392
[07:15] <Tohuw> gatestone: my brother wrote a good article on this issue: http://joeyaa.blogspot.com/2009/08/idea-centralized-minimal-effort-bug.html
[07:15] <DanaG> Quite literally unusable.
[07:16] <Tohuw> gatestone: I still hate empathy and don't use it
[07:16] <gatestone> Tohuw, the question is not how you execute a better system, the question is that WE HAVE TO or Linux for the billion will never happen.
[07:16] <Tohuw> gatestone: windows has no such system in place, and it does fine.
[07:16] <gatestone> Windows has other systems in place. Like history.
[07:16]  * DanaG repeats in holler mode.... piped into /dev/null
[07:17] <gatestone> Tohuw, thx for the link to your brother's article. I will check it.
[07:18] <gatestone> Now, before I start to look at...how do I install Chrome? Or should I use Chromium?
[07:18] <EruditeHermit> hello, does anyone know how to get past this error? 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6-i386 for lib32asound2, probably a dependency cycle.' when upgrading to lucid?
[07:18] <digital_1> I don't think Linux for the billion is ever going to happen.
[07:18] <Tohuw> I really don't care about "linux for the masses". I care about what works for me, and what's open source. Freedom and what works, in other words. I'd say the community involvement and feedback to decision makers is better in Ubuntu than Windows, so that's not the real weakness. At least, not the root of it.
[07:18] <Tohuw> gatestone: www.google.com/chrome
[07:18] <digital_1> But I'm happy with Linux for the millions
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> gatestone, chromium is not in the default repo :)
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> s/not/now !
[07:18] <Tohuw> or that
[07:18] <Tohuw> I use chrome for the fuller featureset
[07:19] <Tohuw> then again, i haven't looked at the latest chromium
[07:19] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, Google Chome actually lags behind chromium in features!  you'll see them in chromium first
[07:19] <Blank__> digital_1, i'd be happy with people being aware of what software/operating systems are available, and what impinges upon people's freedom and what doesn't
[07:19] <digital_1> Why upgrade?  You're just asking for trouble.
[07:19] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: extensions were correctly supported in chrome first :)
[07:20] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, that might be true.  i have no idea.
[07:20]  * Tohuw shakes Blank__'s hand enthusiastically
[07:20] <h4wkmoon> hello. how to fix nvidia driver install | 10.04 beta2, x64 ?
[07:20] <Blank__> too many people are force fed things like windows, and that's really a sad state of affairs
[07:20] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: but agreed, there's more bleeding in chromium in general
[07:20] <digital_1> Apple with all its warchest can't make a dent in Windows.
[07:20] <ZykoticK9> h4wkmoon, did you try to install the driver from nvidia's site?
[07:20] <Tohuw> !doesntwork | h4wkmoon
[07:20] <DanaG> Too bad I never have luck convincing family to try non-Windows.
[07:20] <digital_1> And they are lightyears ahead of us in marketshare
[07:20] <h4wkmoon> yes, but with error
[07:20] <Tohuw> digital_1: 12% maketshare is a huge dent, I'd say.
[07:20] <Blank__> that's the worst part, DanaG
[07:21] <Blank__> microsoft has them right where they want them
[07:21] <DanaG> Have to give one of our old laptops to my grandma (who lives across the country).... now, do I leave ubuntu on the thing, or stick winxp on it?
[07:21] <Tohuw> As well as being the largest mobile device manufacturer in the world
[07:21] <DanaG> Note, this is the "toshitba" laptop I've complained about, before.
[07:21] <ZykoticK9> h4wkmoon, good luck man.  fyi the release notes, know issues i believe the first one is nvidia driver from site doesn't work
[07:21] <Tohuw> DanaG: ubuntu!
[07:21] <Tohuw> what doesn't work
[07:21] <Blank__> DanaG, i've heard of several success stories involving ubuntu and grandparents
[07:21] <digital_1> Tohuw- W7 is growing faster than Mac OSX sales
[07:21] <DanaG> Oh, and bonus points for it having gwibber.
[07:22] <Tohuw> digital_1: and?
[07:22] <digital_1> The rate of growth not overall sales
[07:22] <Tohuw> that's to be expected
[07:22] <Tohuw> there's more windows users
[07:22] <gatestone> How do I disable automatic scrolling in Empathy?
[07:22] <Tohuw> so a new windows release will sell faster
[07:22] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, digital_1 please don't get into a linux/mac/windows discussion - this is lucid support/discussion channel
[07:22] <DanaG> This grandmother is coming from a WebTV, so ubuntu would be a huge improvement.
[07:23] <digital_1> Well its just that a company with a warchest the size of Apple, if they're second we'll always be third.  I think embedded Linux has the best chance.
[07:23] <h4wkmoon> ZykoticK9: here is log http://www.osadapohadka.cz/jockey.log
[07:23] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: agreed with your request :)
[07:23] <DanaG> Biggest problem with that laptop: the nv17 chip.
[07:23] <DanaG> Bleh.
[07:23] <ZykoticK9> h4wkmoon, sorry man - i'm no help to ya.  but i wish you the best of luck trying to get it working again.
[07:23] <digital_1> Sorry ZykoticK9
[07:24] <digital_1> Is the repo Flash still flaky on 64-bit?
[07:24] <Tohuw> yes
[07:25] <digital_1> Dang it
[07:25] <gatestone> Tohuw, you said you don't care about Linux for the masses. I think that attitude is the root of the problem. Personally I don't care for 'Linux for me', because I am perfectly happy with Windows. But I believe that society at large would benefit if we standardize on FOSS operating systems.
[07:25] <Tohuw> still can't click some elements in flash, still lag in some videos
[07:25] <digital_1> I think the no response to clicks issue was resolved for me by turning off Compiz
[07:25] <Blue11> digital_1: i see they remove compiz-gnome
[07:26] <joelz> Any idea how to switch to the new GNOME Shell as a live user?
[07:26] <Tohuw> gatestone: who said I don't care about FOSS? one of the problems is FOSS is being bound irrevocably to Linux, and that's limiting innovation. see also: the haiku project. but if you want to talk about this further, #ubuntu-offtopic is the place
[07:26] <ZykoticK9> to fix flash clicking not working on 64bit see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working -- then you don't have to disable compiz
[07:26] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: cool, thanks
[07:26] <digital_1> ZykoticK9- thanks but I also run VMWare with Unity and Cedega and such and it's just easier to leave it off.
[07:26] <jdsbluedevl> one more thing:  I'm getting an error message about an "over-current charge"
[07:26] <Blue11> joelz: i didn't know they had a new gnome shell - what do you mean?
[07:27] <jdsbluedevl> that just started with Lucid.  What does that mean?
[07:27] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, in VM environment compiz has no place (although it works OK with VBox)
[07:27] <joelz> I thought I read that there was some kind of preview of the new shell in the new beta.
[07:27] <Tohuw> it means it thinks your battery is overcharged, or the adapter is providing too much current
[07:27] <Blue11> joelz: i hadn't heard.  seems to be bash here.
[07:28] <Tohuw> joelz: gnome-shell was available over a year ago in the repos
[07:28] <Tohuw> and it's still not done or feature-complete
[07:28] <Tohuw> if they released it as standard now, it might actually surpass kde 4 "final" in terms of bad jokes
[07:28] <h4wkmoon> ok, so im goind try x86 10.04 beta 2 version
[07:29] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, agreed with your "not done or feature-complete" part - but gnome-shell is pretty neat -- i just got into it the other day
[07:29] <joelz> Tohuw: I tried it in 9.10 and didn't see much of what the "sneak peaks" were referring to.
[07:29] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: oh don't get me wrong, i like where it's going
[07:29] <Tohuw> fyi, new xorg update just hit the repos
[07:29] <Tohuw> get it while it's hot and extra-broken
[07:30] <Tohuw> apt and xorg in the same dist-upgrade? what can possibly go wrong?!
[07:30]  * Tohuw lights the fuse
[07:31] <joelz> This post got me interested in trying out gnome-shell: http://www.ghacks.net/2010/04/06/a-sneak-peak-at-gnome-3/
[07:31]  * Tohuw reminds himself to go check the roadmap for gnome 3
[07:34] <Tohuw> brb, restarting X to see if it still works!
[07:40] <digital_1> looks like isn't working?
[07:46] <Blue11> x errors can be hard to find
[07:46] <Blue11> fix
[07:50] <ter10_> hi anyone there
[07:50] <ter10_> help!!!!!
[07:51] <PolitikerNEU> what is your problem?
[07:51] <ter10_> i wanna install firefox 3.5 on Lucid
[07:51] <PolitikerNEU> well - it is File temp = File.createTempFile("","~temp",participant.getMatchingRevisionDir(input));
[07:51] <PolitikerNEU> sorry
[07:51] <ter10_> instead of firefox 3.6
[07:51] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ...
[07:51] <PolitikerNEU> and you want a package for it?
[07:52] <PolitikerNEU> ter10_: try that: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[07:53] <PolitikerNEU> umm ...
[07:53] <PolitikerNEU> or just install firefox 3.5?
[07:53] <PolitikerNEU> it's in the repositories
[07:53] <PolitikerNEU> sudo aptitude install firefox-2.5
[07:53] <PolitikerNEU> *firefox-3.5
[08:01] <Blue11> PolitikerNEU: why install an old version of ff?
[08:20] <xfact> Well, I have another question (Guesstimate): After stable release of Lucid within few days will it be available on the store for shipping/ordering? (or it will take time)
[08:22] <ter10_> hi politickerNeu
[08:22] <ter10_> u r there
[08:23] <ter10_> hi blue11
[08:24] <ter10_> i wanna install older version of firefox b'cause the newer version of firefox does'nt suppourts some of addons
[08:25] <Blue11> xfact: it will be a free download
[08:25] <arand> ter10_: if you search for firefox: "aptitude search firefox" there should be a few versions available for install.
[08:26] <xfact> Yea but I want to order cd/dvd because download can easily get corrupted
[08:27] <xfact> so I was asking, anyways I'll wait and see, thanks :)
[08:27] <areichman> xfact: the md5sum's for all the downloads are supplied so you can check if it got corrupted
[08:27] <arand> xfact: For that, make sure you do your checksumming correctly, but for the oficiall CDs, no, I'm afraid I don't know either.
[08:27] <Blue11> xfact: that's what md5sum is for
[08:27] <ter10_> arand : it takes the higher version automatically i wanna install the older version
[08:28] <xfact> Okey I understand
[08:28] <Blue11> ter10_: synaptic?
[08:30] <ter10_> blue11 : in synaptic also it takes the higher version automatically]
[08:31] <Blue11> ter10_: looks like the only version available to lucid is ff 3.6.3
[08:31] <Blue11> ter10_: you would have to use a karmic repo for that
[08:32] <Blue11> or let me see what's on their site
[08:32] <ter10_> but i wanna install ff 3.5 is'nt it possible with deb file  of ff 3.5
[08:33] <Blue11> ter10_: like I said, you'd have to point lucid at the karmic repos -- 3.5.9 is avail. from the mozilla site
[08:34] <Blue11> ter10_: some of the libs may have changed -- YMMV (your mileage may vary)
[08:34] <ter10_> blue11 : how to use karmic repo
[08:34] <arand> ter10_: What I would try also is to find development versions of the extensions.
[08:35] <Blue11> ter10_: i don't remember, how I did that - it was too long ago back in the 8.04 days
[08:35] <Blue11> ter10_: i do know you have to add the deb to the repo files
[08:37] <ter10_> blue11: ca u just do a last favour to me
[08:37] <Blue11> ter10_: this is how to get a list of all the repos apt-get uses:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=205
[08:37] <ter10_> blue11 : just tell me path of repo fiels
[08:37] <arand> Doing so will likely pose the risk of a rather messy system, so careful in doing it...
[08:38] <Blue11> arand: sage advice
[08:38] <ter10_> files
[08:40] <ter10_> Blue11 : thanks dude
[08:40] <Blue11> ter10_: best I can do -- hope that helps
[08:41] <Blue11> arand: I sweat --force archetecture - I had to shoe horn 32 bit light scribe onto my 64 bit system.
[08:41] <realcnbs>  hey, i'm on lucid, and something weird is going on with compiz after this morning update
[08:42] <realcnbs> update manager removed compiz-gnome
[08:42] <realcnbs> i have no effects now
[08:42] <Blue11> realcnbs: yes indeed they did remove it
[08:42] <arand> ter10_: What I would do is take the list in /etc/apt/sources.list change the references from lucid to karmic, place it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/karmic_danger.list, install the specific karmic version of firefox, then disabe that repo, and periodically check for security updates, but never keep the repository enabled, and also mind that likely it's going to always try to upgrade to the blank lucid version of the package, which to avoid you'll ne
[08:42] <realcnbs> cool
[08:42] <arand> !pinning | ter10_:
[08:42] <realcnbs> why?
[08:43] <realcnbs> replaced by smth else?
[08:43] <Blue11> realcnbs: compiz causes x lockups here - but I have an ati card, and i expected that.
[08:43] <Blue11> i am really hating the pulse audo though
[08:44] <realcnbs> hm, what should i do then?
[08:44] <Blue11> audio even
[08:44] <realcnbs> if i try to install compiz-gnome it removes metacity )
[08:44] <Blue11> realcnbs: you have to use metacity, until they re-release compiz
[08:44] <realcnbs> ugh
[08:44] <Blank__> :s
[08:45] <realcnbs> was not expecting smth like this in beta 2 )
[08:45] <Blue11> realcnbs: i don't care much for eye candy so meta city works great for me --
[08:45] <arand> Blue11: Pro tip: "pasuspender -s alsa application"
[08:45] <realcnbs> i do care )
[08:45] <Blue11> arand: what does that do?
[08:47] <arand> Blue11: As far as I can tell, bypasses PA for a certain application, routing directly through alsa instead, it seems to work fairly well here on karmic at least.
[08:47] <quiritius> hi, i've noticed, that laptop-mode-tools is not installed by default, but it conflicts with pm-utils-powersave-policy. is laptop-mode obsolete somehow? what is better to use?
[08:47] <whitman> I've just updated lucid this morning and compiz/compiz-gnome was removed.  Was that meant to happen?
[08:48] <Blank__> whitman, compiz broke, i've heard
[08:48] <whitman> Ah, that's ok then.  Well, it's not, but at least it's not just me. :)
[08:49] <Blue11> Blank__: I believe they said:  "It's dead, Jim!"
[08:49] <Blue11> we could always have a flame war over the left/right button placement
[08:51] <arand> Hmm, doesn't seem like that compiz package is going anywhere here on my vbox install, is it driver dependent then?
[08:51] <Blue11> arand: well it searcher for available hardware drivers
[08:52] <arand> YOu could try running "aptitude why-not compiz-gnome" to see if it's a specific conflicting package.
[08:52] <Blue11> on this system is uses the stock ati driver
[08:52] <vega> is the button placement changed in kubuntu also?
[08:54]  * arand likes aptitude's why/why-not 
[08:54] <arand> vega: I don't think so...
[08:55] <linuxrevolution> hmmmmm there are some problems after installing Beta 2
[08:56] <Blank__> linuxrevolution, join the club
[08:56] <Blank__> several people have already discovered compiz broke :(
[08:56] <linuxrevolution> Blank__: heheheheh me too
[08:57] <linuxrevolution> Blank__: keyboard layout and compiz
[08:57] <joaopinto> hum, compiz was removed today, is it broken ?
[08:57] <Blank__> correct joaopinto
[08:58] <DanaG> weird... rhythmbox ubuntuone music store doesn't do dpi scaling.
[08:58] <DanaG> ANd it doesn't do tabbed browsing (middle-click), either.
[08:58] <Blue11> joaopinto: like they said in the wizard of oz "it's not only merely dead, it's really most sincerely dead"
[08:59] <peeps> i haven't tried the beta yet, just wondering what people think of 10.04 so far?  is there anything notably different besides the design?
[08:59] <DanaG> And alt-left to go back doesn't work.
[08:59] <Blue11> peeps: it's okay, but I di NOT like the buttons on the left.
[09:01] <peeps> so it's the same but with moved buttons
[09:01] <Blue11> peeps: yeah the default is to put the buttons on the left side of the window - fortunately can change that
[09:02] <arand> peeps: I mean the default theme is completely new, a whole bunch of integrated chat/microbloggin stuff..
[09:02] <joaopinto> peeps, the design is cool and  I find it quite stable overall
[09:03] <peeps> i see
[09:03] <joaopinto> software center also as a better look
[09:04] <joaopinto> most of the bigger changes are happening under the wood
[09:04] <peeps> well, i gotta head off to bed, thanks for the input.  i guess i'll just wait 20 more days
[09:05] <jmfthevci> The latest Metacity update 1:2.30.0 wants to remove Compiz and Compiz-Gnome. Why?
[09:06] <jmfthevci> !Metacity
[09:07] <arand> jmfthevci: known issue.
[09:07] <jmfthevci> Is there a pointer to the problem number?
[09:08] <arand> I don't know, but you're the third to mention it here in the channel I think..
[09:10] <BUGabundo> m0rning
[09:11] <linuxrevolution> my bro has made a fresh install and it seems he has a better situation!!
[09:12] <jmfthevci> Looking at the Metacity branch on launchpad and there is nothing obvious that indicates that Metacity and Compiz are now mutually exclusive.
[09:13] <arand> jmfthevci: I think it's video-driver dependent, e.g. I don't see it removed here on my virtualbox install.
[09:14] <DanaG> try this: aptitude changelog metacity
[09:14] <DanaG> looks like it had api changes.
[09:14] <DanaG> Waiting on rebuild.
[09:18] <arand> Relevant changelog entry:  * debian/control: add breaks to compiz-gnome if < new rebuild
[09:18] <jmfthevci> Looks like it is as a result of the fix for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/metacity/+bug/535088
[09:18] <jmfthevci> The equivalent Compiz fix is stuck behind the Beta2 freeze
[09:19] <DanaG> does that mean compiz on the CD will be broken or missing?
[09:20] <DanaG> so, is it still lefty for final?
[09:20] <arand> And it seems like compiz (1:0.8.4-0ubuntu15) just completely broke in building...
[09:20] <jmfthevci> No idea. This was a fix release overnight. Apparently compiz will not compile for the developer.
[09:20] <arand> DanaG: buttons you mean? If nothing has been said recently...
[09:21] <DanaG> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42451419/out.ogv
[09:21] <DanaG> sweet
[09:23] <arand> DanaG: Although, opinions are mixed regarding the propriety of ubuntu-tweak...
[09:24] <arand> Ah, and it seems compiz in turn failed due to dependencies on libmetacity... heh, messy.
[09:25] <acuster> hey all, how is beta2 shaping up? Any showstoppers so far?
[09:31] <coz_> acuster,  i dont see any showstoppers:)  but then I have been updating since bea1  so that may be an issue :)
[09:33] <acuster> cool, thanks. Perhaps I'll have the time to load it up this weekend... go 'butu go!
[09:47] <RPG-Master> WHAT THE HECK
[09:47] <Zenker> hi everyone, i am now running 10.02 - beautifully i might add :)), but i already have some confusion, im trying to install blender 2.49b i tried the deb but it has a dependency error guess its bc its for 9.10, ha. so i dl'd the linux 64bit version, now, how do install it?
[09:48] <RPG-Master> I just update to the beta 2 and ALL MY MESSAGES IN EVOLUTION ARE GONE
[09:48] <RPG-Master> D:<
[09:48] <RPG-Master> HELP :(
[09:49] <joaopinto> Zenker, did you try to install blender from the offficial repositories ?
[09:49] <Zenker> joaopinto isnt the one in the repo's 2.49 A?
[09:49] <joaopinto> blender is available frm the software center and should install without problems
[09:50] <joaopinto> Version: 2.49.2~dfsg-1ubuntu1
[09:50] <joaopinto> I don't know about a/b versions :P
[09:50] <Zenker> b/c 2.49b fixes a bunch of stuff and adds some stuff :)
[09:51] <Zenker> OH! cool it runs right out of the folder :) guess ill just have 2 place it somewhere and make links
[09:51] <joaopinto> if 2.49b is not very new I assume those fixes are the ubuntu version
[09:51] <joaopinto> in the
[09:51] <joaopinto> but I am not a blender user to comment :P
[09:51] <RPG-Master> MAIL
[09:51] <RPG-Master> GONE
[09:51] <RPG-Master> HEL
[09:51] <RPG-Master> *HELP
[09:51] <RPG-Master> :P
[09:51] <joaopinto> RPG-Master, stop, you will not get help like that
[09:51] <joaopinto> I am not an evolution user so I can't help
[09:52] <Zenker> yea its kinda new, in ubuntu9.10 it was the older version, so its prolly the older version here as well, tok though
[09:52] <RPG-Master> joaopinto: I was just being over dramatic :P
[09:52] <joaopinto> RPG-Master, anyway you should have an .evolution/ folder with your data
[09:52] <joaopinto> Zenker, in 9.10 that was expected, it doesn't get major updates, I would check the lucid version
[09:53] <joaopinto> RPG-Master, du -sh ~/.evolution
[09:53] <jmfthevci> RPG-Master or a .thunderbird etc.
[09:53] <Zenker> good idea, i will. next q, did they include a way to move the close window, minimize/maximize buttons?
[09:54] <joaopinto> jmfthevci, .thunderbird for evolution :P ?
[09:54] <Zenker> or will i need 2 use the method how-to-geek has on that site?
[09:54] <joaopinto> Zenker, the easier way to do that is with the ubuntu tweak tool
[09:54] <jmfthevci> Zenker. Metacity Config Editor will enable you to move the order of buttons.
[09:54] <joaopinto> ubuntu tweak allows you to customize the buttons and their position on the window
[09:55] <jmfthevci> joaopinto..ha-ha... just being helpful in case RPG has thunderbird and, like me, does not use evolution
[09:55] <Zenker> is that a repo's prog? like sudo apt-get install metacity r smthin?
[09:55] <joaopinto> Zenker, yes
[09:55] <jmfthevci> joaopinto. Is there a ppa for ubuntu tweak. I did not see one on their website
[09:55] <Zenker> kk thank yall
[09:55] <joaopinto> Zenker, oh, but is not availale from the official repository
[09:56] <joaopinto> zekoZeko, http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ or get it frm getdeb
[09:58] <Zenker> kk its installed, so where is that option?
[09:58] <joaopinto> did you run the app ?
[09:58] <Zenker> yep
[09:59] <joaopinto> I am using a translated version
[09:59] <joaopinto> its the last line from Desktop
[09:59] <joaopinto> windows manager settings
[09:59] <joaopinto> something like that on english :P
[10:00] <BUGabundo> 'in'
[10:00] <Zenker> yup thats the right one i can see the radio button, but its greayed out
[10:00] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, tks :P
[10:01] <joaopinto> Zenker, you need to enable/disable custome
[10:01] <joaopinto> anyone here uses gnome-do ?
[10:01] <jmfthevci> joaopinto, Gnome-do, sure-do
[10:01] <caolanm> the "bootwait" option in /etc/fstab doesn't seem to have any effect in lucid server beta 1
[10:01] <joaopinto> jmfthevci, can you go to help about ? the about dialig does not close for me
[10:01] <BUGabundo> 'custom'
[10:02] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, erm :P
[10:02] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: did you forget to take the English pills today ? :)
[10:02] <joaopinto> lol
[10:02] <Zenker> ah haa, thank you again, and btw i think your english is just fine ON english or in english whatev, i knew what you ment :)
[10:02] <jmfthevci> joaopinto, it closed for me...
[10:02] <BUGabundo> or is it because I'm coming to Lisbon ?
[10:02] <joaopinto> hum, there is something broken with my gnome do
[10:02] <joaopinto> it goes into raw mode when I type
[10:02] <joaopinto> and the about window does not close
[10:03] <jmfthevci> joaopinto: 0.8.3.1 is my Gnome-Do. I use it in Docky mode.
[10:03] <BUGabundo> WFM
[10:03] <BUGabundo> don't start with '.'
[10:03] <joaopinto> I am using regular letters
[10:03] <joaopinto> I am using a regular mode (I guess)
[10:03] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.8.3.1+dfsg-1
[10:04] <BUGabundo>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages
[10:04] <BUGabundo> hmm what happened to my PPA?
[10:04]  * BUGabundo goes messing with sources.lst
[10:04] <joaopinto> erm, now it works
[10:04] <joaopinto> there was something wrong with the key detection
[10:04] <Zenker> OHH cool i can drag n drop them n move them n stuff, i need 2 spend some time getting 2 know this Tweak prog D:)
[10:04] <RPG-Master> FIXED IT!!!! :D
[10:05] <Zenker> im sure ill be back, thanks again guys for helping, have a good one
[10:19] <Duzchip> Hi, just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and when GDM starts i login but gnome doesn't start, just some twm-lookalike (pretty much just a terminal)
[10:19] <Duzchip> whats up with that?
[10:20] <exco> Duzchip: when gnome is selected on login?
[10:20] <Duzchip> i cannot find anywhere to select it
[10:20] <exco> after you click on your username on the login screen it should be in the bottom bar, Duzchip
[10:20] <Duzchip> i only get to select language and keyboard-layout and settings for universal something and how to shutdown
[10:21] <exco> Duzchip: tried reinstalling ubuntu-desktop?
[10:21] <Duzchip> might be a good idea :)
[10:21] <Zenker> 1 last q for the night, well morning rofl, i cannot remember how, but i know its possible to have root permissions with the file browser can someone refresh my memory..i remember i could right click, open as administrator or smthin
[10:22] <exco> Zenker: alt+f2: gksu nautilus
[10:22] <Zenker> ahh it was nautilus, thanks exco
[10:22] <exco> I also do have a question: when unmounting a USB drive in Lucid, why isn't it even showing in /dev anymore? e.g. as /dev/sdc
[10:23] <robin0800> Zenker: nautalus exstension nautalus-gksu
[10:23] <Duzchip> exco: for some reason ubuntu-desktop was removed during the upgrade. had it before and didn't have it now :)
[10:24] <exco> Duzchip: that maybe because you did a partial upgrade? ... anyways that seems to be because of a temporary metacity issue ... that could also remove compiz today ...
[10:25] <Duzchip> exco: well no, its because i'm stupid. i started the upgrade with the GUI last night but got tired and stupidly enough pulled out the charger for the laptop so the computer died halfway through the upgrade. when i started it now i did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it continued the upgrade but said something about ubuntu-desktop
[10:25] <Duzchip> So my own fault
[10:26] <exco> Duzchip: happens. you can just reinstall it ...
[10:26] <Duzchip> exco: yeah installed it now and seems fine
[10:26] <exco> can anyone confirm that unmounting a usb drive also removes it from /dev
[10:27] <exco> that shouldn't happen imo
[10:28] <pwuertz> hi, compiz just broke after the last upgrade. it won't start because it "Found no decorator to start"
[10:30] <coz_> pwuertz,  oh darn and I just initiated updates :(
[10:30] <coz_> poizan42,  let me restart after this update and check
[10:31] <pwuertz> maybe its just me... but if you like, you could cheer me up with a "me too" post ;)
[10:31] <coz_> "removing metacity" ??
[10:31] <coz_> mmm
[10:31] <pwuertz> you tried compiz gnome decorator?
[10:31] <coz_> sorry replacint it now :)  i jumped too soon
[10:33] <pwuertz> I'm not sure if compiz-gnome is the preferred decorator, I thought compiz was somehow using metacity for the decorations
[10:33] <pwuertz> let me check ^^
[10:34] <pwuertz> ok.. compiz-gnome is not the right decorator
[10:35] <coz_> pwuertz,  ok restarting ....and......compiz started
[10:35] <pwuertz> and gnome-appearance-properties is crashing now
[10:35] <pwuertz> omg
[10:35] <coz_> poizan42,  try   gtk-window-decorator --replace
[10:35] <pwuertz> something went terribly wrong here ;)
[10:35] <coz_> pwuertz,  mm  the only thing I am finding at t his point is the cursor wont hold onto the cursor theme
[10:37] <pwuertz> coz_, maybe its time for a new lucid installation ^^
[10:37] <coz_> pwuertz,  probably    I will do that after release though ...right now on the lucid machine it is just for testing :)
[10:38] <coz_> play time and reporting bugs  is what it is useful for right now :)
[10:38] <pwuertz> wait... do you have "gtk-window-decorator" ?
[10:39] <pwuertz> did you install compiz-gnome and uninstalled metacity?
[10:42] <coz_> pwuertz,  no   I didnt  but the updates updated metacity
[10:44] <Sweet> why did dist-upgrade remove compiz? not that I need it but still...
[10:46] <ubuntujenkins> sweet i was wondering the same i haven't done it because i want compiz
[10:46] <rye> anybody using Lucid in virtual machine under Lucid with virt-manager ?
[10:47] <exco> Sweet, ubuntujenkins http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1450282
[10:49] <ubuntujenkins> exco: thanks i will wait for the updates to come though
[10:49] <lorenzosu> It seems the decision about buttons on left for Lucid is definitive, right?
[10:51] <jordanl> i just did a fresh beta2 install and got this error when trying to boot: ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/6d00675b-3a30-4f66-b980-bd23e2fa44ae does not exist.
[10:52] <jordanl> and it puts me at a BusyBox shell
[10:52] <monkey_dust> hi - beta 2 is out - do i have to install it, or will beta 1 be upgraded to beta 2, if i do apt-get update/upgrade?
[10:52] <coz_> lorenzosu,  not sure I think they are on the right although I installed the fix for the light themes
[10:52] <coz_> monkey_dust,  it should upgrade   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:52] <monkey_dust> tnx
[10:53] <jordanl> any ideas?
[10:53] <exco> monkey_dust: it will upgrade ... read the stickies in http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377
[10:54] <lorenzosu> coz_, I mean a vanilla install
[10:54] <monkey_dust> exco, if needed i can try downgrading, never did that before, tho
[10:54] <coz_> lorenzosu,  that's essentially what I have on my lucid machine  and I just  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade couple times a week
[10:55] <lorenzosu> coz_, ah so it's keeping your original theme
[10:55] <coz_> lorenzosu,  but  I cant be sure
[10:55] <sobersabre> hi
[10:55] <coz_> lorenzosu,  as I said I think it was the fix I installed and not the default
[10:55] <lorenzosu> coz_, I see
[10:55] <exco> jordanl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=alert+uuid+does+not+exist&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_n
[10:56] <coz_> lorenzosu,  it;s a shame they are on the left with no tick box to revert it in the gui itself for left or right handed people
[10:56] <coz_> lorenzosu,  however it is not often that these smaller options are incorporated and certainly takes longer for things like left or right handedness
[10:57] <coz_> lorenzosu,  this decision withouth options is very disappointing
[10:58] <coz_> lorenzosu,   if you want to switch it you can
[10:58] <jordanl> exco: i've been working on this for over 5 hours and i've seen these bugs
[10:58] <lorenzosu> coz_, The interesting thing is that nearly *nobody* (tm) likes them on the left, yet the ubuntu people seem to refuse admitting it was a mistake
[10:58] <jordanl> exco: all are using grub1, ubuntu 9.10, non-raid setup
[10:59] <jordanl> exco: i've tried many of the solutions that worked for other people on them. i've come to the irc channel now after exhausting my web searches in hopes that someone wouldn't just point me to a google search or bug search
[10:59] <coz_> lorenzosu,  It has been suggested there are valid reasons for the switch... I have not seen them to date... and  it is certainly inconvenient for right handed people
[10:59] <exco> jordanl: my bad then
[10:59] <lorenzosu> coz_, It's also been suggested that it's a mac copycat :)
[11:00] <coz_> lorenzosu,  I hope that was not the reasoning behind the switch... no one will like it if so :)
[11:00] <coz_> lorenzosu,  there is a ppa for the fixed theme
[11:00] <jordanl> exco: i'm sorry if i seem snappy about it. it has just been a long night of working on this. (i also reinstalled twice)
[11:01] <lorenzosu> coz_, I'm still sticking to karmic for some time, I'm just curious about this affair which seems silly, I mean you can fix a theme in 30 seconds..
[11:01] <lorenzosu> coz_, Just interested in the ubuntu 'attitude'
[11:01] <coz_> lorenzosu,  well if you "fix" it in  gconf you actually get the max and min buttons in the wrong order
[11:01] <exco> jordanl: did you try changing the uuid to the corresponding one of the partition you installed on?
[11:01] <sobersabre> hi guys, I have tried to aptitude dist-upgrade today, and the program aptitude says metacity breaks or is broken by compiz. shall I wait for the rest of the packages to update on the mirror ?
[11:02] <coz_> lorenzosu,  I meant if you install the themes in karmic
[11:02] <lorenzosu> coz_, I see
[11:02] <ubuntujenkins> sobersabre: yes wait for them to update http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1450282
[11:02] <coz_> lorenzosu,  they can be installed also with a fix in karmic   I like the thems but have switched now to the elementary theme along with the elementary nautilus cover flow
[11:02] <jordanl> exco: i booted into rescue mode and checked the output of "blkid". the boot failure message matches it. so does the contents of /etc/fstab
[11:02] <sobersabre> ubuntujenkins: thanks
[11:02] <jordanl> exco: so the uuid seems to match
[11:03] <exco> jordanl:  thread about your problem here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9054097&highlight=uuid#post9054097
[11:03] <coz_> lorenzosu,  however this is best left discussed in #ubuntu I believe :)
[11:03] <exco> just reading it atm, jordanl
[11:03] <lorenzosu> coz_, Not really, this is for lucid
[11:03] <coz_> lorenzosu,  this is true but the light themes can be installed on karmic as well
[11:11] <lorenzosu> coz_, Acutally it's pretty definitive: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564
[11:12] <coz_> lorenzosu,  yeah I read that ...it makes no sense
[11:13] <lorenzosu> coz_, Well but the author does have it's importance
[11:14] <coz_> lorenzosu,  well the design on the left or right leaves as much space on the opposite sides... it stillmakes no sense but I will wait to read something valuable for the switch
[11:14] <jordanl> exco: only one that one posted in the thread seems to have something similar
[11:14] <jordanl> exco: i'm booting into rescue mode and will try to install the .16 kernel and boot into
[11:15] <exco> jordanl: good luck ... I guess you already tried updating grub as well as initramfs?
[11:16] <exco> also chrooting and reinstalling gdm and mountall couldn't hurt, not? jordanl
[11:18] <jordanl> exco: i didn't try those
[11:18] <jordanl> exco: how to update grub & initramfs?
[11:33] <joppan> poooruuu priyakaamini
[11:33] <joppan> ohh rabba rabba poooru priyakaamini....
[11:35] <joppan> enthoru maire aaanuuu evide
[11:35] <joppan> koooothikalae
[11:36] <Blank__> ...
[11:36] <Blank__> !en
[11:36] <bazhang> joppan, do you have a support question?
[11:37] <SandGorgon> i'm getting a crash in stock ubuntu lucid compiz.. after updating a few minutes ago
[11:38] <exco> jordanl: you run "sudo update-grub" "sudo update-intitramfs -u" (sorry, was having lunch)
[11:38] <joppan> yes
[11:38] <bazhang> joppan, what is it
[11:40] <joppan> my beta 1 iso image downlaoded showed postitve md5sum check but after burning it does not boot
[11:40] <bazhang> joppan, did you burn at low speed? what error did you get upon startup if any
[11:41] <joppan> mairen mar ninte onnum appante vakayoonoooo ee
[11:41] <bazhang> joppan, you'll have to speak english only here
[11:41] <joppan> bazhang it show a prompt and then burned at 8x sony cd-r
[11:42] <joppan> bazhang after the prompt displayed nothing happens i waited for 30 mts
[11:42] <SandGorgon> this is a crash I'm getting with Google Chrome where the window decorator is crashing - http://paste.ubuntu.com/411543
[11:42] <CryptoQuick> hey folks, I just want to let you guys know that I can repeatably crash Metacity into a full system lockup by repeatedly right-clicking on the system title bar in Google Chrome.
[11:42] <CryptoQuick> haha
[11:42] <joppan> on my 9.10 am not able to install picasa 3.6
[11:42] <bazhang> joppan, what sort of prompt? busybox?
[11:42] <SandGorgon> CryptoQuick, ha
[11:42] <CryptoQuick> ;)
[11:42] <joaopinto> CryptoQuick, file a bug report about it please
[11:42] <joppan> bazhang a prompt a blinking underscore kind of
[11:43] <SandGorgon> CryptoQuick, pass me the bug #, so I can add a comment
[11:43] <CryptoQuick> alright, I'll do that
[11:43] <CryptoQuick> Ubuntu uses Launchpad for bugs, right?
[11:44] <CryptoQuick> haha, yeah
[11:44] <CryptoQuick> never filed one for Ubuntu before, but I might as well start ;)
[11:44] <joaopinto> CryptoQuick, on the terminal: ubuntu-bug metacity
[11:44] <CryptoQuick> oh, cool
[11:44] <zekoZeko> 10:56 ## Auto-reply in window 5 (#ubuntu+1)
[11:45] <joppan> bazhang hello on my 9.10 am not able to install picasa 3.6
[11:45] <zekoZeko> i don't have that much history. who wanted to taÄlk to me?
[11:45] <joaopinto> joppan, this channel is for help with 10.04, not 9.10, use #ubuntu for that
[11:45] <bazhang> joppan, this is not support for lucid, you were asking for lucid support a moment ago
[11:46] <arand> 09:56 < joaopinto> zekoZeko, http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ or get it frm getdeb
[11:46] <joppan> bazhang soory so how to install picasa on my ubuntu if so 10.04
[11:46] <arand> zekoZeko: That's what I've got.
[11:46] <zekoZeko> oh well, that wasn't meant for me :) thanks arand
[11:46] <bazhang> joppan, which version of ubuntu are you using
[11:47] <joppan> bazhang on vmware i have a beta 1 10.04
[11:51] <app> Can you add Xchat as the default client to access #ubuntu? People need something, and Empathy is not really suitable for beginners IRC access.
[11:51] <hhlp> i want to update from karmic to lucid i execute gksudo update-manager -d and nothing happened (your system is up to date and no new release available message)
[11:51] <CryptoQuick> SandGorgon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/559113
[11:53] <CryptoQuick> if I've made any mistakes or could have done that better, please let me know
[11:54] <app> So far my experience with Lucid is a bit scary. Empathy is hard to use to access IRC, Gwibber works unreliably and crashes. Just a few moments ago my cursor was stuck with a weird "add document" icon and click did not work at all. Had to Alt-F2 to terminal and "sudo killall gdm-binary" to restart with "startx". DIFFICULT!
[11:54] <arand> app: It is very true, but also not going to happen I have a feeling, too late in the cycle, etc.
[11:56] <CryptoQuick> app: you know, it's funny, 10.04 has been pretty rock-solid for me for the past few weeks I've had the beta installed. I've used it on the bus with WWAN, all kinds of development and compiling, I've really pushed it hard and the OS has really held up like a champ. So, I guess there's all sides.
[11:56] <app> And the same old bug is there as always: the icons in panel keep moving around inconsistently. Now two are at far right, then there is 5 cm space to left and then  the others.
[11:56] <CryptoQuick> It's been more stable, faster, and feels nicer than the more recent versions of Mint or Fedora I've tried, too.
[11:57] <app> I wonder, how much this has been tested on VMWare....then.
[11:58] <CryptoQuick> hm? I'm using this straight native on my ThinkPad X301.
[11:58] <mvo> hhlp: try without sudo please
[11:58] <CryptoQuick> how else would I relish in a 15s boot? :)
[11:58] <app> BTW, in corporate use I bet 90% of users run Linux in VMWare....
[11:58] <app> Almost no corporation support native Linux on  desktops...
[11:59] <arand> app: The problem with that bug is that no-one seems to know how to solve it, there was a patch lately, but I think it was only a minor/partial improvement
[11:59] <martiner> Hello, I cant get my logitech quickcam fusion to work in lucid, I need both audio and video to work, can anyone please help me?
[12:01] <SandGorgon> i'm not very happy with Lucid either - i'm having problems with installation (it checks for a floppy drive and fails even if there is none), boot up screen looks really bad (I think the new splash screen does not work well on my XPS 1210). All these are regressions from 9.10 which worked beautifully
[12:02] <joppan> pooooran maareeeee
[12:02] <SandGorgon> martiner, you need to google for UVC drivers in ubuntu.. be warned there is some compilation of drivers involved
[12:02] <martiner> But ofcourse there is, haha.... I will do that, thank you very much
[12:03] <app> Does anyone have any experience, if the Canonical paid support is worth it?
[12:03] <zekoZeko> i'm quite happy with lucid. there have been some problems, but nothing too serious. Just as with any other Ubuntu release so far.
[12:04] <SandGorgon> i would much rather that they included out-of-the-box support for webcams, more wireless cards, etc.
[12:04] <app> Personally, I am not waiting for more features in new distros, but more idiot-proof reliability and usability, Apple style.
[12:04] <SandGorgon> app, seconded
[12:05] <arand> app: Indeed, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/44082?comments=all
[12:06] <app> I always has the idea, that let every second upgrade be bugfixes and optimizations only, then let the next one be features. So you could skip very other upgrade, if you would never want to test premature features...
[12:06] <app> arand, good that it is documented
[12:06] <zekoZeko> app: but it is somewhat like that... LTS releases, every third one.
[12:07] <zekoZeko> app: just don't upgrade as soon as they come out, wait a month or so (like windows, waiting for SP1 :)
[12:07] <app> zekoZeko, yes that is good. That's why I am more active now, I usually try to avoid using non LTS-versions...
[12:08] <app> Here we run usually Karmic, these days.
[12:08] <app> But personally I would hope I could stick with LTS only
[12:09] <arand> Although, I don't really feel that currently, there's much "LTS" about Lucid apart from the prospective support..
[12:09] <arand> If ever "LTS" meant anything else...
[12:12] <joppan> ubottu bug to report my Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC worked fine with ubuntu 9.10 but did not show up with live cd of beta 1 10.04
[12:12] <joppan> what should i do to report the bug
[12:15] <yofel> joppan: did you try it with beta2?
[12:19] <SandGorgon> joppan, go to bugs.launchpad.net and file it
[12:20] <SandGorgon> joppan, do include the word "Lucid" or "10.04" in the subject line
[12:20] <yofel> !bugs
[12:20] <yofel> please report them as explained on the help page
[12:20] <fabio333> some trouble with huawei 169 in lucid:...
[12:20] <yofel> SandGorgon: instead of mentioning lucid in the subject, rather tag the bug with lucid
[12:20] <fabio333> i have to load the option module manually (or with udev)
[12:22] <fabio333> but usb_modeswitch is not required.
[12:26] <Zenker> can someone help me set up evolution so i can get my emails from live.com?
[12:27] <BUGabundo> Zenker: running lucid?
[12:27] <tux_> running most up to date lucid, my sandisk cruzer doesn not show up with inserted
[12:27] <Zenker> i think so, i just installed ubuntu 10.02
[12:27] <tux_> i can see it in lsusb output, any ideas?
[12:28] <Joric> whoa beta2
[12:28] <Joric> cul
[12:28] <joppan> Zenker it is 10.04 ie y.mm format 2010 april(10.04) next 10.10
[12:29] <Zenker> joppan huh?
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> tux_:  check 'sudo fdisk -l' try mounting it manually
[12:29] <joppan> 10.10 is maverik meerkat
[12:29] <joppan> maverick
[12:29]  * Dr_Willis is sick of the cutesy names..
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:29] <tux_> Dr_Willis, doesn't show up
[12:30] <tux_> Dr_Willis, scratch that, i removed it, i'll get back to you :P
[12:30] <joppan> Zenker enthada paaniii did u get the concept
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> tux_:  if fdisk dosent show it.  thats a sign of deeper problems
[12:30] <joaopinto> tux_, check "dmesg" after plugging it
[12:30] <tux_> thanks lads
[12:30] <tux_> back later :)
[12:30] <Zenker> joppan its the nick name?
[12:30] <BUGabundo> bye
[12:30] <tux_> or gals
[12:30] <BUGabundo> see you Sunday
[12:31] <joppan> Zenker yes kutta is concatenation of joe and joe that is it
[12:32] <Zenker> umm ok, i just want 2 know how to set up evolution to get my live.com emails
[12:32] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. is this the right place to ask about kubuntu 10.04 ?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  yes
[12:33] <joppan> just try google check for specific protocaol:port settings for POP3 amd smtp
[12:33] <Zenker> oh, my bad i have "Lucid Lynx" rofl
[12:33] <joppan> Zenker  :just try google check for specific protocaol:port settings for POP3 amd smtp
[12:34] <SandGorgon> ok.. just wanted an opinion on performance of kubuntu 10.04 vs ubuntu . Also do chromium/firefox look decent on kubuntu ?
[12:34] <joppan> Zenker check for live.com server
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  its faster to boot and they work fine for me.
[12:35] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, what about regular performance - do you feel that kubuntu is any slower ?
[12:35] <yofel> SandGorgon: chromium has it's own white/blue theme here in kubuntu and I've set a custrom gtk style for firefox, not sure how the default looks like
[12:36] <yofel> SandGorgon: and it's hard to judge the performance, KDE needs a bit more cpu power for kwin than compiz needs I think, but I don't feel much difference most of the time
[12:36] <joppan> SandGorgon ;i logged at bugs.launchpad.net where to click and report only provsision for seraching bugs
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  kubuntu runs fine on my netbook. I did turn off all the eyecandy/effects
[12:36] <yofel> !bugs | joppan
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> Unless you got a very low end machine.. Kubuntu should run fine.
[12:37] <yofel> actually kwin works even on my EeePC, a bit sluggy though
[12:37] <yofel> without compositing kde works quite fast
[12:38] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis yofel , I actually develop on my laptop .. so have postgres running in there, with couple of rails apps. So just worried about RAM usage
[12:38] <fabio333> kwin composite is useless...
[12:38] <yofel> fabio333: not less than compiz
[12:38] <pmatulis> so no upgrade unless you want metacity to be sacrificed?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  there was some benchmarks at  a few sites comparing kde vs gnome vs lxde.  kdeused themost.. but not a lot more
[12:39] <Zenker> AGGGH, i dont get it :(
[12:39] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, thanks for that info. last time I tried, I almost gave up on the network manager... so just wanted to be sure
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> Havent any issues with Kdes networkmanager.. for hookingup to wireless the gnome one does take fewer clicks.. but its not a big deal
[12:40] <fabio333> yofel>: compiz is faster though
[12:40] <Mulder> hmm, latest updates appear to force removal of compiz and compiz-gnome in order to upgrade metacity and ubuntu-desktop packages. is this a bug or is compiz being phased out?
[12:41] <arand> Mulder: Temporary issue afaik.
[12:41] <Torrentow_> hello
[12:41] <SandGorgon> Mulder,  dont upgrade. i have a broken system now
[12:41] <arand> Relevant changelog entry:  * debian/control: add breaks to compiz-gnome if < new rebuild
[12:41] <Mulder> arand, ok
[12:41] <Mulder> SandGorgon, too late heh
[12:41] <yofel> fabio333: a bit maybe yes, but I kwin just fits better into kde than compiz, and I think kde looks generally better than gnome
[12:42] <SandGorgon> yofel, with the right theme.. its too .. er flower-power for me ;)
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> We were discussing Lubuntu yesterday - seems its  getting pushed back a bit --> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/lubuntu-not-joining-ubuntu-family-until.html
[12:42] <Mulder> i'll just sit tight until a newer package hopefully unbreaks :)
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> I just updated and dident notice the removal of compiz..
[12:43] <yofel> SandGorgon: haha
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> but thats on my netbook. using the Netbook Ed.. soit may not matter. :)
[12:44] <joaopinto> the last time I have checked lubuntu it was not integrated with networkmanager, I was unable to setup wifi :\
[12:45] <yofel> didn't they use wicd back then?
[12:45] <joaopinto> no idea, i got nothing to configure the network, at least that I could figure :P
[12:45] <Zenker> WOO HOOO i found the answer on this page   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1265490
[12:45] <arand> As per https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/1:0.8.4-0ubuntu15 i386 and amd64 are now okay, so it seems to slowly straighten itself out.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  last i used lubuntu - it used wicd.. but that was in the old ubuntu release.
[12:47] <kwtm> Hi.  I downloaded the kubuntu lucid beta2 dvd via Firefox (I think it was charles-tkc that gave me the http address).  Anyone know where I can get a MD5 sum for that?
[12:50] <yofel> kwtm: cd or dvd?
[12:51] <ftornell> is beta 2 much faster than beta 1 using the netbook remix?
[12:51]  * yofel should be more concentrated when reading...
[12:52] <yofel> kwtm: this page? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/beta-2/
[12:53] <ftornell_> is beta 2 much faster than beta 1 using the netbook remix?
[12:53] <kwtm> yofel: DVD version.  Will try your link.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> ftornell_:  Idoubt if any speed increase will be very noticeable.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> it allr eaddy boots so fast. I sit down and its done booted. :)
[12:54] <ftornell_> Dr_Willis, ok
[12:55] <ftornell_> ;)
[12:57] <Mulder> Dr_Willis, yeah... unlikely that compiz is installed on your netbook in the first place
[12:58] <xfact> well, after running the Beta 2 upgrade sometimes my window border disappears, so how to get them back?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Mulder:  I have the full gnome desktop also. i can select either one.
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> and i got kde :_)
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Ijust double checked.
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> rebooting it now.. let see..
[12:59] <xfact> some said --replace metacity or something but I maybe incorrect
[12:59] <kwtm> yofel: That page worked.  Thank you!
[13:02] <xfact> May I have my answer? How to get my window borders back, it's gone after Beta 2 upgrade
[13:03] <pmatulis> xfact: wait for the next metacity update i guess
[13:03] <Mulder> and not the one that disables compiz!
[13:03] <Mulder> heh
[13:03] <pmatulis> xfact: there have been problems with metacity and compiz
[13:04] <pmatulis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/558998
[13:04] <Mulder> here come the bug reports!
[13:04] <xfact> Any guess when the next update gonna take place?
[13:04] <pmatulis> xfact: no
[13:05] <xfact> Fair enough, thanks
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> booting to gnome.. lets see
[13:07] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, can akonadi, strigi, nepomuk and virtuoso all be disabled permanently ? I know for sure that they will kill my machine
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:   proberly can.. i dont even recall wqhat most of those do
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> you canalways remove thepackages
[13:09] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, they are part of "kubuntu-desktop"
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  so?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> thats just a meta-package
[13:10] <hhlp> hi, i want to update from karmic to lucid i execute update-manager -d and nothing happened (your system is up to date and no new release available message)
[13:11] <Mulder> hhlp, because lucid is in beta. it's not a the release version yet.
[13:11] <hhlp> ohh ok thx Mulder, then i wait
[13:12] <Mulder> unless you want to try the beta... but beta has bugs
[13:12] <yofel> SandGorgon: most of KDE wants nepomuk with akonadi and virtuoso to be running, but you can easily turn off strigi, uses far too much resources. I usually don't notice that the others are running
[13:12] <DASPRiD> Mulder, finals have bugs as well ;)
[13:12] <Mulder> DASPRiD, yes, but hopefully less bugs
[13:12] <Mulder> hopefully not ones that make users go sadface
[13:12] <Mulder> heh
[13:13] <DASPRiD> Mulder, i'm still waiting that the alternate installer gets fixed so you can install with raids
[13:14] <Mulder> DASPRiD, ah
[13:19] <SandGorgon> yofel, I was reading http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#How_do_I_completely_disable_Akonadi_startup.3F . I dont want Kmail, Kaddressbook, Korganizer (gmail ftw). Do u think it can be removed then
[13:20] <yofel> well, I can't give  feedback about disabling akonadi, but you should be able to remove the others I think as long nothing depends on  them
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi Folks
[13:28] <dsl558> ban jo
[13:28] <bazhang> dsl558, what?
[13:29] <Oli`````> just upgraded. system stalls after adding swap. any ideads on what i should try?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Oli`````, stalls when ..?
[13:32] <Oli`````> boot
[13:33] <Oli`````> i don't know how to be more descriptive
[13:33] <BluesKaj> do you get a prompt or what ?
[13:34] <yofel> hm... my EeePC just hard froze o.O
[13:35] <Oli`````> nope its before that. ive tried recovery mode and right after the message telling me it's mounting swap, it dies with no further disk activity (although thats hard to tell becuase its's an ssd)
[13:36] <yofel> ok, reisub worked at least
[13:37] <Oli`````> probably has nothing to do with swap and more to do with what happens after in /scripts/init-bottom... but I've no idea
[13:39] <yofel> argh, why the hell isn't bootchart niced after boot *-.-
[13:39] <BluesKaj> use a partition manager like gparted live-cd to reassign /  and boot to your linux partition , that may have changed after you repartitioned the swap
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> or the uuid's changed
[13:39] <yofel> maybe he forgot the adjust the uuid in /etc/fstab?
[13:40] <yofel> mountall doesn't like any mistakes in fstab
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> just update/upgraded.. compiz-core and some other compiz packages got updated.
[13:40] <Vigo> I am getting a message on boot that says BSDutilities are not configured, or something, it happens real fast, I need to configure those and stuff, is that or would that be in/var/logs?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yofel, would he get an error message to that effect ?
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins
[13:40] <whyz> hi. I tried setting effects to Normal in Appearance preferences. I get the "Keep settings" dialog, but clicking on "yes" hangs the process.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> or not
[13:42] <aldanon> has anyone figured out how to get the proprietary ATI drivers working in 10.04?
[13:42] <Moc> 10.04 as a LTS will need alot of work
[13:43] <aldanon> i just wanna play wow again hehe
[13:43] <dsl558> should i use a lts version?
[13:43] <SandGorgon> whyz, just type "metacity --replace" in a command-shell
[13:43] <yofel> wtf? I just had about 100 kio_http processes open using >200MiB RAM o.O
[13:44] <whyz> SandGorgon, yepp, but it never turns on the effects. they worked fine in ubuntu 9.10..
[13:44] <aldanon> i take it nobody has gotten 3-d acceleration working with 10.04? hehe
[13:44] <yofel> I guess I can blame choqok for that...
[13:45] <whyz> SandGorgon, the "Keep settings" dialog is still there.. empty. only the window borders look normal.
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> aldanon:  check the forums - is the best place. I dont use ati any more. but i recall there being ongoing issues with it and the latest X/
[13:45] <SandGorgon> whyz, until next update, this will let u use ur desktop atleast
[13:45] <yofel> aldanon: I'm not sure how it is now, but fglrx was broken for a long time and the one that works now only support quite new cards, use the open source driver if possible
[13:46] <whyz> SandGorgon, ok, so this is a known bug? the reason me being here is that i want to help
[13:46] <aldanon> fglrx was working fine with 9.10 with an ati 4850
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> untill ati decides to stop supporting things again.. :)
[13:46] <yofel> aldanon: yes, but we have a new kernel and new X server in lucid
[13:47] <aldanon> after doing some hunting online, i've discovered 3-d support is not supported with open source drivers on lucid
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> Newer versions of X and ATI have not yet gotten to  play so nicely
[13:47] <yofel> aldanon: did you check if hardware drivers offers you fglrx?
[13:47] <aldanon> and i've getting a strange error when i try to install "hardware drivers" in ludic
[13:47] <aldanon> err *i'm
[13:48] <aldanon> gonna try again, i'll let ya know what message i get
[13:48] <yofel> aldanon: try to update, and please tell us the error if possible
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> Wow - scary.. 'adobe air' actually let me just 'click on it in the browser' and it installed properly to /opt/ and the air app also installed.. (neat little app) -->  http://bcdef.org/antenna/
[13:48] <aldanon> might have been a case where i just needed to remove the old fglrx
[13:49] <aldanon> which i just done a moment ago
[13:49] <aldanon> downloading the new one now
[13:49] <aldanon> via "hardware drivers"
[13:49] <yofel> "remove the old" o.O, the update should update the package by itself
[13:49] <vbabiy> Is there any fix for the broken window decorators in the latest update.
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> vbabiy:  they worked here. If its compiz broken . use metacity till it gets fixed.
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> 'metacity --replace'
[13:50] <aldanon> wow well it let me use hardware drivers now =)
[13:50] <vbabiy> Dr_Willis, I was using the standard stuff but now login I don't see window borders
[13:50] <kushal2> Hi, I am on 10.04 on an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ with 512 MB RAM. I, as a desktop user, get logged out from the computer randomly and I don't know why... any ideas?
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> vbabiy:  window decorationis handled by compiz and/or metacity.
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> vbabiy:  if compiz breaks - fall back to metacity
[13:51] <vbabiy> Dr_Willis, alright
[13:51] <vbabiy> is there I can make it always fallback to metacity
[13:51] <aldanon> now i wonder if i need to reinstall amdcccle
[13:51] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: does that app work ?
[13:52] <vbabiy> because every time I login I have to play with the setting to get it to work right.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  listing to it now. seems to work well. but the selection of stations is a little sparce.
[13:52] <IdleOne> I mean as a radio broadcast finder thingy magigy?
[13:52]  * IdleOne installing also
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  it only showed wha ti think are specific types of streaming stations.
[13:52] <yofel> oh nice, someone uploaded my sun-java6-plugin fix :D
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> not ones that use their own special web interface/sites/stuff
[13:52] <aldanon> dr_willis: since the hardware drivers worked that time, i'm gonna reboot and try to turn amdcccle - i'll come back and let you guys know what my results are
[13:53] <jrr> it's fun to try out ubuntu every release or so to check out progress
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> enabling effects  just hung at 'keep settings' here also.
[13:53] <jrr> some time in the last few years gnome learned to only put taskbars on one of your two screens in an nv twinview configuration
[13:53] <jrr> that's nice
[13:53] <jrr> (instead of stretching across both monitors)
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> jrr:  its worked for me that way for the last 4+ ubuntu releases at least
[13:54] <jrr> maybe someday in the future i'll be able to rotate one of the displays
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> jrr:  i did have to be sure to restart the X server after enablaing twinview the first time.. or it would be conrused for that session.. but worked afterwards corectly
[13:55] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: sparce? I have 4400+ stations listed from all over the world
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  i mean for select area. I Know indinapolis has more then the 2 its showing
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  and its not showing any in Kokomo
[13:56] <IdleOne> ohh, I haven't gotten that deep yet :)
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  its main feature is the global finding/layout :)
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> well off to get some groceries.. bbl
[13:56] <kushal2> Are the developers even aware of the X crashes happening seemingly randomly? :/
[13:56] <IdleOne> later and thanks for the neat find :)
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  yea. too bad its using adobe air.. (ick!) :)
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> HTML5 would be better. heh
[13:58] <Raistlin_> hey guys just to let you know everything is working fantastic now on an ATI 4850
[13:58] <Raistlin_> so i suppose what we learned from this was that the upgrade is not removing the old proprietary drivers
[13:58] <Raistlin_> or something....
[13:59] <Raistlin_> glxgears is reporting over 10k fps in 5 seconds
[14:00] <Raistlin_> oh and xinerama is magically back with 10.04
[14:01] <kushal2> its own wikipedia article too ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSEGV
[14:02] <kushal2> bye
[14:03] <Raistlin_> no feedback dr_willis?
[14:03] <yofel> Raistlin_: where did you get the old driver from
[14:03] <Raistlin_> was installed from hardware drivers using 9.10
[14:04] <Raistlin_> after upgrading i got a few errors about the driver
[14:05] <yofel> maybe the new package is missing a conflict on the old one...
[14:08] <Raistlin_> i dunno, honestly i just removed the proprietary driver on a hunch
[14:08] <Raistlin_> hoping i'd get to use the open source driver, but then i found it the open source one doesn't support 3-d graphics with the 4000 series
[14:09] <yofel> well, I need to go for now, bbl
[14:10] <Raistlin_> alrighty laters
[14:22] <switchgirl> hi i updated to beta2 and it are brokedd
[14:23] <switchgirl> composting not working and java applets STILL NOT ABLE TO RESIZE WITHOUT LOOSING TEXT
[14:23] <ubuntujenkins>  i am using compiz 8.4 in ubuntu lucid. i have a logitech mx1100 mouse which has 10 buttons. with the scale plugin i use to set "initiate for all windows" to button10 by clicking the pencil icon. However now every time i enter button10 it disables that function. Is anyone else having a problem with this?
[14:23] <jpds> switchgirl: Yes, there was a compiz update a few hours ago.
[14:25] <switchgirl> update implys improvement....
[14:26] <kklimonda> not really, update implies change
[14:33] <switchgirl> change is improvement
[14:35] <switchgirl> anyway compiz is broken
[14:36] <bobo123> switchgirl: mmm.... I pressed [Abort] when the updatemanager said something about deleting Compiz
[14:36] <switchgirl> it didnt say anything abut that
[14:37] <bobo123> ohh I guess you are running ubuntu10.04beta2.... is compiz broken out-of-the-box so to speak in beta2?
[14:38] <Mulder> not out of the box only after latest update
[14:38] <bobo123> ok
[14:38] <switchgirl> ahhh whyd it del them?
[14:38]  * bobo123 will wait some hours to get next update before updating
[14:39] <switchgirl> no it works bobo
[14:39] <bobo123> ok
[14:39] <switchgirl> its me being blonde/red/brunette
[14:39] <bobo123> :-D
[14:43] <matmat> you gotta get blondebuntu then
[14:44] <bobo123> are there a webpage somewhere that lists the default stuff in the upstart-programs (or what it is called in english, I'm using swedish wher it is called "uppstartsprogram") the thing that lists stuff that autostarts ?
[14:46] <bobo123> matmat: blondbunt sounds like a nice thing hehe..... will it come with mp3 and flash support out-of-the-box?
[14:53] <sinistrad> Just did an upgrade from Karmic, and my window frames (including min/max/close buttons) are gone.
[14:54] <brush> hello
[14:54] <brush> re
[14:54] <brush> as i see, the early morning update removed compiz. just for me?
[14:55] <sinistrad> I don't think mine removed compiz, but it did set my effects back to "no effects"
[14:55] <brush> like me
[14:55] <brush> but i reinstalled compiz
[14:56] <brush> get compiz again with apt
[14:56] <sinistrad> Yeah, I'll worry about it being fancy once I'm settled on the basics
[14:59] <sinistrad> Seems I'm not alone in this
[14:59] <sinistrad> [Bug 559205] [NEW] Title bar missing from all windows
[14:59] <sinistrad> Thanks ubottu
[14:59] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, just the titlebar or all decorations?
[15:00] <sinistrad> well, I have no max/min/close buttons....not sure what "all" entails
[15:00] <cwillu_at_work> the window frame border, the titlebar itself, etc
[15:00] <sinistrad> Right, none of that is there
[15:00] <cwillu_at_work> sounds like you don't have a window manager running at all
[15:01] <cwillu_at_work> can you alt-drag a window around?
[15:01] <sinistrad> hrm....I don't think so.  I tried that a little while ago
[15:01] <cwillu_at_work> check ~/.xsession-errors, and try running compiz or metacity from a terminal
[15:01] <cwillu_at_work> (copy .xsession-errors first)
[15:01] <sinistrad> just checked. no dragging with ALT
[15:02] <sinistrad> I'll go to the other system and do what you ask.  Might take a minute
[15:07] <sinistrad> hrm, seems to not have a windowmanager.  It might take me a few to pastebin it
[15:07] <sinistrad> I'll have better luck ssh'ing into it
[15:12] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, http://pastebin.com/VgbVBGVv
[15:13] <switchgirl> how to clean the log up - its 82.4 GB atm
[15:14] <sinistrad> switchgirl, logrotate?
[15:14] <switchgirl> no sys log
[15:14] <yofel> switchgirl: well, which log?
[15:15] <switchgirl> var/log
[15:15] <sinistrad> I use logrotate to clean up logs, keeps the last few gzipped, deletes anything older
[15:16] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, looking now
[15:16] <switchgirl> thats geek based
[15:16] <switchgirl> ie text
[15:16] <switchgirl> aka not assessable to all
[15:16] <sinistrad> webmin might be up your alley then
[15:17] <ZykoticK9> !webmin
[15:17] <sinistrad> Oh noez
[15:17] <Oli`````> is there a known issue with the B2 live cd mot booting?
[15:17] <yofel> hm, shouldn't rsyslog pull logrotate by default?
[15:17] <sinistrad> yep, ebox is an alternative for admin tasks that you don't want to deal with command-line stuff
[15:18]  * switchgirl wnders if sinistrad is a lolzcat?
[15:18] <sinistrad> I can haz webminz?
[15:19] <sinistrad> yofel, it might pull it.  I've always grabbed it if my system didn't already have it
[15:19] <yofel> hm, rsyslog recommends logrotate, so it should be installed by default
[15:19] <yofel> sinistrad: can you check what log takes so much space?
[15:19] <sinistrad> switchgirl has the problem
[15:20] <sinistrad> I was just making a suggestion
[15:20] <yofel> switchgirl: ^
[15:20] <yofel> tab fail -.-
[15:20] <sinistrad> haha, now who's the lolzcat?
[15:20] <switchgirl> var log grows and grows mine is 80 GB!!!
[15:21] <yofel> my server that has been running 24/7 with a few reboots for almost 3 months now with bootchars only has a /var/log of 578M
[15:21] <yofel> so 80GB is very out of the ordinary
[15:22] <ZykoticK9> switchgirl, my /var/log is over 200GB, but 194GB of that is bootchart (do you happen to have it installed?)
[15:22] <switchgirl> whats that?
[15:22] <yofel> !bootchart
[15:22] <ZykoticK9> guess that's a no
[15:22] <yofel> hm...
[15:23] <switchgirl> :~$ bootchart  The program 'bootchart' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install pybootchartgui
[15:23] <switchgirl> so nope
[15:23] <Oli`````> is there a known issue with the B2 live cd mot booting?
[15:23] <Pici> switchgirl: bootchart isn't a cli application, it runs automagically at boot and puts the boot charts in /var/log/bootchart/
[15:24] <yofel> well, you can run it from a cli too if you want custom charts
[15:24] <yofel> but it's not installed anyway
[15:24] <arand> switchgirl: bleachbit can do it gui-wise it seems.
[15:24] <yofel> maybe check with baobab what's taking so much space?
[15:24] <yofel> (assuming you're using gnome)
[15:25] <Idlehead> i tried to boot the lucid beta 2 from usb on my netbook today but it only comes to the start splash (where you can select your language and what to do) and keeps rebooting. i tried to run it on a asus eee pc 1005P. any ideas?
[15:25] <arand> yofel: but that will only show it folder-wise I think..
[15:25] <sinistrad> I've had this system running for a year or better, my /var/log is 29Megs
[15:25] <Oli`````> Idlehead i'm also having issues
[15:26] <Idlehead> Oli`````, what did you try to run the beta on? also an eee pc?
[15:26] <Oli`````> locking up in plymouth somewhere (though the off switch repsponds)
[15:26] <yofel> arand: well yes, but you can then check what folders take how much space and go into more details
[15:27] <Oli`````> no, regular desktop (i7, 12gig ram)
[15:27] <Oli`````> "regular" lol
[15:27] <arand> yofel: provided it isn't any of the /var/log/* files that are taking the space, yes
[15:27] <kklimonda> switchgirl: do you have logrotate installed? can you launvh it from terminal with debug or verbose switch?
[15:27] <Idlehead> strange. i tried to install it on virtualbox. it worked there, so i am really confused why that is...
[15:28] <switchgirl> kklimonda: in english?
[15:28] <yofel> arand: ah, you're right
[15:29] <kklimonda> switchgirl: well, if your var/log is 80GB then it sounds like your logrotate does't work for some reason. all typos brought to you by a phone keyboard ;)
[15:29] <switchgirl> what would happen if i just selected all the var log and deleted it by pressing delete?
[15:29] <sinistrad> switchgirl, your problem wouldn't go away
[15:30] <LinuxGuy2009> Whats the name of the package that is used for the live CD installer? I need to file a small bug.
[15:30] <sinistrad> switchgirl, you'd just have no way of investigating what happened
[15:30] <switchgirl> i removed samba apache2 and icecast
[15:30] <arand> switchgirl: I would assume some error message is getting spammed to one of the log files, and hence it's getting out of hand..
[15:31] <ubuntujenkins> LinuxGuy2009: ubiquity
[15:31] <Moc> I give up
[15:31] <LinuxGuy2009> ubuntujenkins: thank you
[15:31] <sinistrad> switchgirl, you can check if logrotate is installed, but you'll need a terminal open
[15:31] <Idlehead> no one got any idea on the live cd rebooting issue?
[15:31] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, still working on it?
[15:32] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, lol, working on switchgirl's logrotate
[15:32] <switchgirl> logrotate 3.7.8 - Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Red Hat, Inc.
[15:32] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, metacity in a terminal should get you running again;  you probably want to reinstall ubuntu-desktop in order to get compiz reinstalled
[15:32] <yofel> Idlehead: hard to say, I personally haven't yet heard of any boot failures *that* early
[15:33] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, ok, I'll give that a shot.
[15:33] <sinistrad> switchgirl, so we can assume it is installed?
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> switchgirl, re: geek-based:  logrotate is installed by default, you shouldn't need to do anything to have it running
[15:33] <Moc> b2 is problematic when installing on a laptop with a docking station
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> switchgirl, which files are huge?
[15:33] <Idlehead> yofel, i had this issue with 9.10 as well. lucid beta 1 would start, but not start gdm, so console only...
[15:33] <Moc> it tried to force 1920x1080 on my laptop display
[15:34] <cwillu_at_work> switchgirl, re: java, have you filed a bug?  and is there any activity on that bug which implies that it's been fixed?
[15:34] <yofel> Idlehead: well, I don't know much about boot failures, but what's your graphics card?
[15:34] <cwillu_at_work> beta releases don't magically fix bugs :)
[15:35] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: I'll change the definition on wikipedia and it will !!!
[15:35] <switchgirl> may suddenly go - the electrric is on the blink
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, eh?
[15:35] <Idlehead> yofel, according to the manufacturer specs it is an intel gma 3150 chipset
[15:35] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: wikipedia is so factual, that changing a definition about something make it true
[15:37] <yofel> Idlehead: never heard of it, 1005P are those brand new ones right?
[15:37] <Idlehead> yofel, sort of, yes
[15:37] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, Metacity gave me back my borders and all. I tried apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop, and it did its thing...about to see if that took care of it all
[15:38] <Moc> I personally can't use 10.04 beta anymore, I switch docking station all the time, and no Fn+Monitor key working is a deal breaker
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop is 8 less characters
[15:38] <Moc> got to force shutdown my laptop everytime I move (or force the screeen before I undock
[15:38] <yofel> Idlehead: hm, not sure then, you could try to disable quiet splash on the grub line and see if that works better, but I don't know how to do that for the live session
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, I'm going to put this bluntly :)
[15:38] <Dimmuxx> Will the arrow icons get the new color too eventually? It looks really strange now when they are yellow and the folder icons are amber
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, the beta isn't for your enjoyment
[15:38] <yofel> Idlehead: maybe ask again later if you have the time
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> Moc, if you're not filing bugs and working with developers to fix them, you're just making things worse
[15:39]  * Dr_Willis helps in here. :)
[15:39] <Idlehead> yofel, i'll do some more research in the mean time. thanks so far :)
[15:39] <Moc> cwillu_at_work: I tried the other night to report them, launchpad speed was the limiting factor
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> Dimmuxx: what arrows?
[15:40] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, yes, but less geeky.  That didn't bring up windows by default.  I may try aptitude, perhaps it handles the meta-package differently
[15:40] <Dimmuxx> back forward etc in nautilus/firefox
[15:40] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, have you restarted x?
[15:40] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, aptitude is superior to apt-get for basically every case
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> Dimmuxx: I see what you mean
[15:41] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, I restarted the machine to make sure
[15:41] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, did it install compiz when you installed ubuntu-desktop?
[15:41] <Dimmuxx> ubuntujenkins: and also the cd/dvd creator icon is the old yellow color
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  that little radio app is neat. but I noticed somnthing weird.. theres like No stations  in London.. seems like there would be at least one.
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> Dimmuxx: it does look odd, I don't know if they will change.
[15:43] <Dimmuxx> okay, I hope they do
[15:44] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, it didn't install compiz, or even download anything new. Just re-installed the cached packages.  I did use aptitude the 2nd time around, and did a "restart gdm" Should I restart X itself, or is gdm sufficient?
[15:44] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, you said before that compiz was uninstalled
[15:45] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, well, the xsession log file was complaining about compiz
[15:45] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, is compiz installed?
[15:45] <sinistrad> I'll check.  It was before upgrade
[15:48] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, OK. Now some good info.  "aptitude install compiz" reports that metacity is broken, and it wants to remove metacity and ubuntu-desktop to repair them.  It also gave me a Score of 188?
[15:48] <cwillu_at_work> sinistrad, how do you usually apply updates?
[15:48] <sinistrad> apt-get update/apt-get upgrade, unless the update-manager gets it first
[15:49] <cwillu_at_work> and if your answer contains the word "apt-get", can I recommend that you use aptitude full-upgrade instead?
[15:49] <sinistrad> the upgrade to lucid was using update-manager -d
[15:49] <cwillu_at_work> not talking about the -> lucid
[15:50] <Tohuw> does anyone have gnome-do working right now in lucid?
[15:50] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, kk, Yeah.  I was a bad updater *shame*.  Aptitude from now on
[15:50] <Tohuw> (fully upgraded as of this morning, I mean)
[15:50] <Dr_Willis> Tohuw:  Hmm.. Not right now.. :)
[15:50] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, i've switched to Docky but it's working today.
[15:50] <yofel> the usual way to install updates should be: 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade && sudo aptitude full-upgrade', or use the curses interface
[15:51] <Dr_Willis> Tohuw:  installing it now.. you had an issue?
[15:51] <yofel> and compiz/metacity should be held back right now iirc
[15:51] <yofel> sinistrad: ^
[15:51] <sinistrad> yofel, it offered to remove and reinstall
[15:52] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: mine still isn't, getting segabrts. I've done a complete removal and purged any config files in ~/.gconf/apps, but to no avail. See bug 558835
[15:52] <yofel> not sure, I have metacity held back here (it wanted to remove metacity at first though) so waiting a few hours might be a good idea
[15:52] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: see my message to ZykoticK9
[15:52] <sinistrad> yofel, This seems to have partially fixed it.  Now I have borders by default
[15:53] <Dimmuxx> new metacity/compiz seems to work fine now on my netbook
[15:53] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, are you using gnome-go for docky?  if so try installing the separate docky package and see if it works.
[15:53] <yofel> ah, I'll try to update again then
[15:53] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: will do
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> docky isent even included in gnome-do any more i thought
[15:53] <bobenth> Hello every one
[15:53] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, i didn't think so either?!
[15:53] <Tohuw> !hello | bobenth
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> gnome-do seems to be working fine here.
[15:54] <phibxr> Dr_Willis: I'm running gnome-do from the 10.04 reps, and Docky is indeed included. :)
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> I got a few error messages. but thats due to  me running the netbook stuff i think
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> !info docky
[15:55] <ZykoticK9> phibxr, you're right - but I doubt for much longer
[15:56] <bobenth> My ubuntu lucid is displaying the wrong splash screen since its 1st update ( it shows "Mythubuntu" instead of the classical "ubuntu")... Does anyone heard something about that? :$
[15:57] <ZykoticK9> phibxr, not that i doubt you'll be "right" for much longer - just that docky will probably be removed from gnome-do soon :)
[15:57] <phibxr> ZykoticK9: I see. :)
[15:57] <JoshuaL> im unable to enable desktop effects after todays updates..
[15:57] <sinistrad> yofel, should I submit a bug for this, or was it mostly due to operator-error?
[15:58] <yofel> sinistrad: missing window borders?
[15:58] <phibxr> JoshuaL: Did your kernel get updated without your graphics drivers being updated perhaps?
[15:58] <sinistrad> yofel, yes
[15:58] <bobenth> JoshuaL> i had the same problem
[15:58] <ZykoticK9> JoshuaL, prior to starting updates did you get a message about Partial Upgrade
[15:58] <JoshuaL> phibxr, to be honest i have no idea, im using nvidia
[15:58] <JoshuaL> ZykoticK9, yes
[15:58] <yofel> sinistrad: that's known and in progress/fixed
[15:58] <ZykoticK9> JoshuaL, in future DON'T do partial upgrades
[15:58] <cwillu_at_work> I'm distressed that it took me this long to realize that aptitude could do this:  aptitude search '~RB^Ccommends:~i'
[15:58] <bobenth> JoshuaL>  try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:58] <phibxr> JoshuaL: So am I. Let me check if I can enable effects. The drivers are up and running, so it should be possible here at least.
[15:58] <cwillu_at_work> er, minus the random interrupt in the middle
[15:59] <cwillu_at_work> aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i'
[15:59] <JoshuaL> ZykoticK9, ill remember that for next time
[15:59] <JoshuaL> bobenth, doin gthat now, thanks
[16:00] <sinistrad> yofel, ok.  Thanks for the help!
[16:00] <sinistrad> cwillu_at_work, Thanks for your help as well
[16:00] <phibxr> JoshuaL: Hmm. I could enable them, but now one of my monitors got a black desktop instead. xD
[16:00] <JoshuaL> ph8, odd
[16:00] <ZykoticK9> JoshuaL, FYI "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" will update everything that can be updated (without breaking your system, which is a big bonus)
[16:00] <JoshuaL> phibxr, odd
[16:02] <JoshuaL> ZykoticK9, ty :)
[16:03] <ZykoticK9> JoshuaL, you only have to use above when you see Partial upgrade from Update Manager
[16:03] <JoshuaL> ZykoticK9, ok
[16:03] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, i think "partial upgrade" is just a generic message that pops up whenever a deprecated package has to be removed to complete an upgrade
[16:03] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: docky works, but it doesn't have the power of gnome-do, and I use that for doing most things
[16:03] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, agreed but i can cause a lot of problems - as we've seen from compiz/metacity in the last 24 hours or so
[16:04] <JoshuaL> updates installed and im still unable to enable desktop effects
[16:04] <bobenth> JoshuaL> I had to reboot :$
[16:04] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, ya that's true - if you used the gnome-do parts of docky then it might not be suitable for you.  But you might want to try temporarily moving your gnome-do settings and see if that fixes gnome-do
[16:05] <JoshuaL> bobenth, ill try that :)
[16:05] <Tohuw> I already have, unless there's settings somewhere else than ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-do
[16:05] <JoshuaL> back in a bit
[16:07] <bobo123> anyone else hade any problem with the help-program? I tried use the search-field in it, and when I then clicked on one of the links for heptopics it found, nothing is happening
[16:08] <bobo123> and now when i tried search for something else, it crashes
[16:09] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases#Getting%20Started includes the quote: "Never do a partial upgrade, things are held back for a reason."
[16:09] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: do you mind trying to install and run gnome-do and see if it works? Also, does anyone know if there are more gnome-do settings files besides in "~/.gconf/apps/gnome-do"?
[16:10] <edgy> Hi, I cannot install gnucash I get errors like: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:10] <edgy>   gnucash: Depends: slib (>= 3a2-5) which is a virtual package.
[16:10] <edgy>   guile-1.6-slib: Depends: slib (>= 3a2-3) which is a virtual package.
[16:11] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, gnome-do is working on my system (in docky mode anyways)
[16:11] <JoshuaL> hmm a reboot didnt help
[16:12] <Tohuw> ZykoticK9: odd... i wonder what's causing these sgabrts. Also, it's looking for plugin information for plugins i selected in an old install, but i've since removed the config files!
[16:12] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, sorry I have no insights/ideas for you.  Best of luck.
[16:18] <tsyj2007> hi what is new in 10.04
[16:21] <nonameNN> tsyj2007: u mean ubuntu 10.04?
[16:21] <yofel> tsyj2007: see the beta2 release page in the topic
[16:22] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: yes
[16:22] <nonameNN> tsyj2007: there are a lot of changes under the hood... but in the GUI its the same... new theming but not much about that... solid so far... i liked it
[16:23] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: yeah,very well
[16:23] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: i like it too
[16:23] <mitc0185> Just starting to use Lucid Beta 2... can I have the mail notifier in the upper right corner check my Gmail account? when I go to set up mail it starts the Evolution setup, and I don't want to use Evolution.
[16:24] <nonameNN> tsyj2007: but you know... linux is alwayes solid... ubuntu is just a distro... some apps may have bugs...
[16:24] <JoshuaL> the Appearance window has to be quit by force now..
[16:24] <JoshuaL> ill leave it like this and wait for another updates :)
[16:25] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: but ,if you can ,you can read the codes and modify them
[16:25] <jdsbluedevl> hi, got a new issue.  After leaving the computer on overnight, I saw that CPU usage in polkitd shot up significantly and can't be brought down.  Is there a fix to this issue?  I tried Google and Ubuntu Forums, and no luck
[16:26] <bobenth> JoshuaL> Sad to hear that i didn't solve your problem :'(
[16:26] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: nothing is always no bugs,include linux
[16:26] <nonameNN> tsyj2007: any linux distro has that benefit... im not a developer nor a programmer either... just regular user...
[16:26] <Berzerker> all of my bars have disappeared on my windows (title bar with close/minimize/maximize on them) how do I get them back?
[16:27] <phibxr> JoshuaL: I had to kill my appearance window after activating the Desktop Effects too.
[16:27] <ZykoticK9> Is there a fix for the people who did partial upgrade recently?  or is it just a matter of "wait for the packages to be ready"?
[16:27] <jdsbluedevl> Berzerker: compiz was broken in yesterday's build.  It happened to me too.  For now, type "metacity --replace" into your terminal
[16:28] <jdsbluedevl> ZykoticK9: well, excuse me for thinking that the release date of the beta meant that the whole beta was ready
[16:28] <ZykoticK9> !lucid
[16:29] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: yes,but i majored computer in college.
[16:29] <jdsbluedevl> anyways, do you know what the matter with polkitd and CPU usage is?  It seems to be an existing problem, yet I can't find any solutions
[16:29] <tsyj2007> nonameNN: i am not too worried
[16:31] <nonameNN> tsyj2007: you could then enjoy more the Linux experience... ive just chosen what worked for me...
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm how can a beta be ready when the term beta means   its a work in progress. :)
[16:33] <jdsbluedevl> Dr_Willis: true, but I wasn't expecting yesterday's beta release to be a partial upgrade
[16:33] <jdsbluedevl> anyways, anyone know about the polkitd CPU hog thing?
[16:33] <Berzerker> yeah wow it's broken
[16:33] <Berzerker> any word on a fix?
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> i upgraded here with no issues.. but i also only update/upgrade about every 3 days.  I did update/upgrade yesterday and it worked this morning.
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> I find it wise to always have a backup window manager installed :)
[16:34] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, it all depends on HOW you are upgrading that determines if you have an issue or not.
[16:35] <JoshuaL> phibxr, i wonder how i can fix this issue
[16:35] <jdsbluedevl> Berzerker: yeah, I wish I knew.  That and how the lock screen came on by default after waking my monitor
[16:36] <jdsbluedevl> Berzerker: also, compiz is ready for today's release.  Type sudo aptitude install compiz
[16:36] <jdsbluedevl> make sure one of the packages being installed is compiz-gnome
[16:37] <Berzerker> jdsbluedevl: can I enable it without a restart? (and yes, one of them was)
[16:37] <funkyHat> Has anyone filed a bug about metacity's appearance when the window only has a close button?
[16:37] <phibxr> JoshuaL: Did your desktop effects get activated, or did your appearance window just freeze?
[16:37] <jdsbluedevl> oh, of course right after updating your package list
[16:37] <jdsbluedevl> ooh, I don't know.  I just restarted
[16:37] <phibxr> funkyHat: I hope so, because it does look pretty crap. :)
[16:37] <JoshuaL> phibxr, the window just froze, it even disabled my effects (i had them enabled before the updates)
[16:37] <jdsbluedevl> I also want to test the whole polkitd thing after a boot
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> funkyHat:  its been complained about at several news/ubuntu blogging sites
[16:38] <andyb> how do you remove the little envelope icon in the top right?
[16:38] <phibxr> JoshuaL: Have you gone through the usual routine of checking if direct rendering is enabled and your drivers are running fine?
[16:38] <lucitu> fresh b2 install. firefox won't start
[16:38] <funkyHat> What's the name of the theme package?
[16:39] <funkyHat> Never mind, it's light-themes
[16:39] <lucitu> getting xml parsing error: undefined entity
[16:39] <JoshuaL> phibxr, i have disabled the driver for now, ill do those steps and see if direct rendering is working :)
[16:39] <phibxr> JoshuaL: Righty. Good luck. :)
[16:39] <JoshuaL> thanks
[16:39] <lucitu> location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> andyb:  did you check the links i mentioned at http:delicious.com/dr_willis - I recall bookmarking a guide on doing that
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> andyb:  oops  http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[16:40] <andyb> Dr_Willis:  working my way through them.
[16:40] <billybigrigger> andyb, have you tried the right click "remove from panel" ???
[16:40] <lucitu> <window id="main_window" -- looks like complaining of the '<'
[16:40] <andyb> billybigrigger, doing so makes me lose the volume control applet which is also in that area
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> andyb:  the envelope is part of another applet - the 2 icons are from the same applet. Nasically you remove it  but you lose the volume controll i recall
[16:40] <ZykoticK9> andyb, uninstall indicator-messages
[16:40] <arand> funkyHat: a long time ago, afaik, and on metacity I think, I think it also was fixed just recently..
[16:41] <funkyHat> arand: it is not fixed
[16:41] <jdsbluedevl> yes, I still have polkitd CPU issues after a reboot
[16:41] <funkyHat> arand: unless it's not released yet
[16:41] <arand> funkyHat: Yea, just noticed..
[16:43] <arand> funkyHat: I think https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/1:2.30.0-0ubuntu1 is supposed to fix it, but yea, it seems like it's been pulled back from the repos dues to the breakage of compiz.
[16:43] <jdsbluedevl> you know, it's really annoying me that such a major problem as a CPU hog is getting very low attention in the Ubuntu Forums
[16:44] <JoshuaL> i reinstalled the nvidia driver and direct rendering is enabled
[16:44] <andyb> Whomever suggested removing the indicator-applet package was dead on.  Thanks.
[16:45] <ZykoticK9> andyb, :)
[16:45] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: nothing uses cpu without reason, but i'm not very good at debugging those cases, maybe you could attach strace to the process and check what it does?
[16:45] <ZykoticK9> andyb, doesn't that remove volume control as well?
[16:45] <jdsbluedevl> strace?
[16:45] <andyb> had to reboot to see a reload or i'd have remembered the name.  ;)
[16:45] <andyb> Nope, the volume control is retained.  woohoo.
[16:45] <arand> funkyHat: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/535088 btw
[16:46] <edgy> Any one able to install gnucahs?!
[16:46] <ZykoticK9> andyb, just for future it isn't indicator-applet, it's indicator-messages that removes only the email icon
[16:46] <andyb> hrm.  now i've got two volume controls, because I added one prior ;)
[16:46] <andyb> ZykoticK9, you're right :)  didn't remember the right name in my excitement.
[16:47] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: strace shows system calls of an app, might help if you don't know what the application does all the time
[16:47] <jdsbluedevl> ok, so strace polkit-gnome?
[16:47] <ZykoticK9> andyb, just right click remove one
[16:47] <funkyHat> arand: bug #532224 if you're interested
[16:47] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: is the process running right now?
[16:47] <jdsbluedevl> the process is polkitd, but strace isn't picking that up
[16:47] <andyb> ZykoticK9, did.  playing with it a bit now. :P  is there a way to reload my x session without rebooting?
[16:47] <jdsbluedevl> not polkit-gnome either
[16:48] <ZykoticK9> andyb, restart gdm "sudo services gdm restart" - will log you out mind you
[16:48] <phibxr> funkyHat: I just checked by opening Gimp, and the issue with the one button is fixed in Beta 2. :)
[16:48] <andyb> tysir.
[16:48] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: try 'sudo strace -p $(pidof polkitd)'
[16:48] <ZykoticK9> andyb, sorry it's service not services
[16:49] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: how long is the readout supposed to run?
[16:49] <jdsbluedevl> it doesn't seem like it's ever going to end
[16:49] <andyb> you can alternately use gnome-indicator-control-applet for volume control, but it's not as pretty really.
[16:49] <jdsbluedevl> as a matter of fact, I'm wondering whether it's looping
[16:50] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: as long as the application runs, it does real-time monitoring, can you pastebin a part of it? (you can quit strace with ctrl+c)
[16:50] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: well, looping might be a reason  for wasting cpu time
[16:51] <andyb> Must say, it feels like getting 10.04 to do what i want it to do seems harder than the past.  Must just be used to the old setup.
[16:51] <Fishscene> I have to admit, I like the new themes for 10.04
[16:52] <Fishscene> It seems to add a level of refinement that wasn't there before.
[16:52] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411666/
[16:52] <funkyHat> phibxr: you're right. I hadn't restarted metacity since the last round of updates
[16:52] <yofel> andyb: ubuntu tries to get a sane default for everybody at the cost of customization ability, if that's good or bad I don't know, I use Kubuntu
[16:52] <virtuald> ubottu: help
[16:52] <phibxr> funkyHat: Hehe. I'm happy to see it fixed. I noticed a few days ago when I started Gimp and thought 'damn, this doesn't look good'. :P
[16:52] <boourns> any idea why new windows are not opening on top in lucid?
[16:52] <ZykoticK9> Fishscene, personally i don't like the new themes much - but I do think they are a good thing to encourage Ubuntu adoption (just sayin')
[16:52] <virtuald> hm
[16:52] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: and yes, it appears from the readout that it is looping
[16:52] <andyb> yofel:  i agree, and it helps make things more passable for most.  Just seems like a limited or more difficult curve for customizing
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> boourns:  ive noticed some windows opening below their parents also.
[16:54] <virtuald> anyone know if ubottu can search launchpad for me and message me the results?
[16:54] <Fishscene> I've never really checked into it, but are there other themes that can be downloaded and used? Say, something a bit more for corporate taste?
[16:54] <andyb> Fishscene, what, no more naked lady themes? :P
[16:54] <boourns> Dr_Willis, I have 2 machines that i upgraded, i notice it consistantly on both.  when i open a program, or get a popup window in chrome
[16:54] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: it seems to re-check something all the time, but I'm clueless what exactly, can you run 'tail -n ~/.xsession-errors' and see if it prints something there?
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of not hunderds/1000's of themes out there. :)
[16:55] <phibxr> On a very unrelated matter, I had issues booting the Beta 2-install CD. Tried several of the CDs and even burned them on several computers after md5-checking them, still they stopped at the Ubuntu-logo with orange dots beneath. Didn't matter much to me since I just updated my Beta 1, but testing the updated installer would have been interesting.
[16:55] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: err, sorry, tail -f
[16:55] <avis> did i hear ubuntu dropped support for ATI cards, what i mean is, not just the really old ones ?  or that support was lacking from AMD ?
[16:55] <Fishscene> phibxr: That's the problem I had with Beta 1. Turns out it's not updating grub or something like that and the kernel can't read the filesystem. If you press "esc" during the boot sequence, it will tell you the exact error
[16:55] <jdsbluedevl> just tail -f or tail -f ~/.xsession-errors ?
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> avis:  actually its ATI dropping support for a lot of their cards.
[16:56] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: latter
[16:56] <avis> Fishscene, its left shift you hold down under invisible grub2 to access the menu
[16:56] <avis> i think anyway
[16:56] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: ok, tried that, getting something about the gnome-settings-daemon failing to connect
[16:56] <avis> Dr_Willis, oh wow that is very sad
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> avis:  more and more cards gettting dropped from the fglrx and moved in to the ati/radeon driver
[16:56] <Fishscene> I had this problem last night and fixed it by running: "sudo apt-get remove grub-pc" and then running "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". But that wasn't on a live disk - only upgrading from 9.10
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> I gave up on ati ages ago.. glad i did
[16:56] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: and trying to reconnect
[16:57] <phibxr> Fishscene: It shouldn't really be trying to access Grub if it's booting from a CD, but I'll look into that later.
[16:57] <avis> thank you Dr_Willis
[16:57] <FallenSparrow> ok dont mean to be a tool but how stable is teh new insatll
[16:57] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: maybe it failed for some reason, but I don't know where to look next...
[16:57] <Fishscene> ah- didn't realize it was booting off the CD - I thought after installation.
[16:57] <andyb> FallenSparrow, hasn't crashed yet. ;P
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> FallenSparrow:  ive heard the installer has a few issues in the b2 release.. but not tried it.
[16:57] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: guess I would just reboot if you don't have any critical reason not to
[16:58] <FallenSparrow> basically all i do is newsgroups, movies, tv, music
[16:58] <Tohuw> horray, Do works again for me: bug 558835
[16:58] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: rebooting doesn't fix it
[16:58] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: or re-login should be enough
[16:58] <FallenSparrow> dual boot with windows on ssd
[16:58] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: oh? odd...
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> Tohuw:  hmm.. it worked for me without any tweaking.. but that may be because this upgraded/user had some older gnome-do settings allready there
[16:58] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: well, I'm out of ideas, sorry
[16:59] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: well, damn
[16:59] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: many of the setting seem to live somewhere else that I still haven't found, and that was the root of my problem
[16:59] <jdsbluedevl> I guess I'll try to post the loop to the same forum message I posted
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> Tohuw:  during beta testing i often totally clean out all my user settings to see how good things default. :)
[17:00] <FallenSparrow> repair  gruyb
[17:01] <FallenSparrow> wrong chan
[17:01] <Moc> Reinstalling my pc was my idea.
[17:01] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: same here, wish i knew where those settings were ;)
[17:01] <Moc> wrong window... not funny without the context
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> .config or .gco* proberly :)
[17:02] <andyb> ok, wish me luck.  guess it's time for a partial upgrade :\
[17:02] <Tohuw> andyb, update your sources and you should be ok now
[17:02] <Tohuw> last night, not so much
[17:02] <andyb> want to say i installed this either yesterday or a day prior
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> Tohuw:  seem to be some (sstem wide defaults?) in ->  `/apps/gnome-do/preferences/Do/CorePreferences/QuietStart'
[17:04] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: yep, saw that, but it's the only default schema for gnome-do, and this isn't default: removing ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-do completely does not remove docky preferences or what plugins are selected and many of their settings
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> one of these days i need to explore how to change the default gnome settings for all users.
[17:06] <sinistrad> I have an odd problem. At the login screen, my mouse is invisible. As I move it around, the things I mouse over, seem to light up. I can hit enter and get the password prompt, and log in, once the login screen falls away, the mouse is visible again.
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> Saw a guide yesterday on geting UNR working right with ubuntu-desktop  and stuff.. and now i got some odd settings set and locked.
[17:07] <Dr_Willis>  Encountered error setting GConf key Do/CorePreferences/QuietStart: Can't overwrite existing read-only value:
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> seems i locked down some gconf stuff.. or somthing. :)
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> Testing out using the Netbook Interface on my Desktop Machines.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> Has anyone noticed some quirks with Okular - I go to change file default appliations and Okular is listed in the list like 10 times.. In alacarte its also shown in the menus like 10 times.. (all unchecked so they dont appear in the menus)
[17:12] <jmfthevci> Anyone noticed that the MeMenu shutdown/reboot or the standard System>Shutdown options don't actually take effect sometimes?
[17:12] <jmfthevci> I quite often have to do: sudo shutdown -h now to get the system to stop
[17:13] <Siegfried> Is there something wrong with image libraries on Lucid? I've taken screenshots with the gnome tool, no windows users can view them, converted to jpeg with gimp/imagick/xpaint, no windows user can view them
[17:14] <Siegfried> jmfthevci, i actually don't remember of using shutdown, it actually crashes before i can do it :P
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> jmfthevci:  not seen that issue. I do notice some options do not appear if you use kdm to run gnome.. or gdm to run KDE..
[17:15] <Airells> Hi have you noticed a little problems with  X  ?  When X are going to start there is only  Black screen or screen with noise SS of last using os with GUI ?  Both Kubuntu 10.4b2 ubuntu 10.4b1  , nvidia 102m  asus k50in ,  i have no tested others beta
[17:16] <Airells> shortly : i see only one screen shot from i bet graphics memory instead of gui
[17:18] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain this for me (From Konsole command "dragon" output when starting dragonplayer):
[17:18] <Oxymoron> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[17:18] <Oxymoron> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> ibus is a way for programs to talk to eachother.
[17:19] <arand> Airells: That is a problem in the kernel nouveau drivers I think, I'm seeing that as well, but not on the nvidia blob. YOu do succeed to get into DE after that?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> the ibus daemonis not  running.. if the player works.. its not really an issue
[17:20] <Airells> arand sorry my english fails , what does "DE " mean ?
[17:20] <avis> nouveau is literally becoming the new standard, even though its reverse engineered ?
[17:20] <kubuku_> Airells: Desktop Environment
[17:20] <arand> Airells: sorry, desktop environment, gnome or kde, that is, the desktop.
[17:20] <Airells> nah, screen sreen is freezy
[17:21] <Airells> could change anything even go to tui
[17:21] <Airells> i see splash and after that that freezy screen instead of gui
[17:22] <arand> avis: indeed, especially since nvidia just dumped the nv driver saying "nah, let them use vesa untill they can don'oad the real stuff from our homepage and get the real driver."
[17:22] <yofel> Airells: maybe try to add 'nomodeset' to the kernel line in grub?
[17:22] <yofel> Airells: if you're using the default driver with your nvidia card
[17:22] <avis> arand, oh wow it sounds like ati and nvidia are both awful
[17:22] <avis> :)
[17:23] <Airells> i dont know what i am using just put CD into cd rom and try to start it , ok i will try add nomodest
[17:23] <andyb> the nvidia driver takes some... finesse :\
[17:23] <avis> at least ubuntu has the ability to use their driver though i think i recall hearing it cannot be installed on lucid (the official installer)
[17:23] <yofel> well, nouveau is still quite new and actually quite good for that, let's see how 3d support will play out
[17:24] <arand> avis: Of course, did you think otherwise? Are you new to GNU/Linux by any chance? :D
[17:24] <avis> arand, no, i've been with ubuntu since the beginning :)
[17:24] <avis> arand, i simply don't know certain things :)
[17:24] <yofel> avis: then you should know that we always had the nvidia driver available in the repository
[17:24] <avis> yofel, indeed i do, and that'll be fine.
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> ati made a lot of promises... and sort of  dissapointed people.
[17:25] <yofel> avis: and using the driver from nvidia might work, but you'll never be able to remove it again
[17:25] <avis> Dr_Willis, it sounds like they were truely disappointing :/
[17:25] <arand> avis: I've been able to use both nouveau and nvidia blog in lucid on my machine, but then again, this graphics card has simply been no less than three for me.
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> avis:  yes.. :) i was just being VERY VERY VERY nice..
[17:25] <yofel> avis: and you'll have to rebuild it yourself on ever kernel update etc... too much work, use the package
[17:25] <bobo123> whenn I still used the default driver in 10.04beta1 (noveau) I coun't set higher resolution than 1024x768, should I report that bug somwhere?
[17:26] <yofel> bobo123: if possible can you use nouveau again and at that time run 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' ?
[17:27] <yofel> bobo123: that will add necessary debugging information for the X team
[17:28] <bobo123> btw, which one of the nvidia driver should I select of the 3 in the dialogbox? "(version 173)",  "(version 96)" or  "(version current)"  they have the same descrotiption
[17:28] <arand> bobo123: to revert back to nouveau, simply disable the nvidia blob through the hardware drivers dialogue..
[17:28] <Airells> could i add nomodeset from grub menu ? ( there is "e" to edit ) ?
[17:28] <yofel> bobo123: it should recommend one
[17:28] <yofel> Airells: yes, add it to the line that begins with kernel ...
[17:29] <arand> "(version current) [reccomended]" is presumably reccommended..
[17:29] <bobo123> hmm yes "version current" says [Rekommenderad] after. so I guess I should select that one instead. What version is that? I guess it have a number too? and why are there 3 versions? is one of them a beta-driver (the 173?) and 96 is previous version and current is the latest non-beta?
[17:29] <avis> i'll try that one
[17:30] <avis> current
[17:30] <bobo123> yofel: ok I try that ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau later
[17:30] <avis> i'm actually running that one
[17:30] <avis> i'm good
[17:31] <trism> bobo123: there are several versions because support for older cards is eventually removed from the latest driver, but they maintain older drivers so those cards will still work
[17:31] <yofel> bobo123: no, current is current stable [195.15.36] and the other are legacy drivers for older cards
[17:31] <yofel> err... 195.36.15
[17:32] <Airells> OOkk it works good with nomodeset  <<< so "new graphic  drivers" are a little shitty ?
[17:32] <bobo123> trism: aha...... someone should update the descriptions so that info is in it. perhaps even what cards are not supported (in '173' and 'current' i guess)
[17:33] <bobo123> yofel:  aha
[17:34] <bjsnider> bobo123, what graphics card?
[17:34] <bobo123> yofel: I assume that if I have selected "current" then ubuntus updatemanager upgrade me to later version when nvidia releases a new?
[17:34] <trism> bobo123: wouldn't be a bad idea, there is a list here http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
[17:34] <yofel> bobo123: that would be a rather long list... and it will recommend the newest one that supports your card
[17:34] <bobo123> bjsnider: I have nivida 7600GS
[17:35] <bjsnider> use nvidia-current
[17:35] <bjsnider> Boboubuntu will not be adding new nvidia drivers in the official repos. you will be able to get them from ppas
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> BoBoBuntu :)
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> Sounds like a Pro Wrestler.
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> I recall sp3ending a few hrs trying to figure out why nvidia drivers dident work after i changed cards oncce..
[17:36] <yofel> bjsnider: are we going to at least see 195.XX in -updates?
[17:36] <bjsnider> no
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> the card i had used a different version  then the card i replaced it with.. took me forever to realize that
[17:36]  * bobo123 must resist urge to create a new ubuntu derivate calle Bobobuntu :-)
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> So it pays to learn what versions are for what cards
[17:37] <yofel> bjsnider: backports? or only in the updates ppa?
[17:37] <ubuntu> upgrading from 9.01 I had a HD power failure at the last moment and GRUB wasnt' updated, can't boot from HD now, I'm booting from Pendrive on 9.01 I an see the HD and its accesable, how can I fix the GRUB?
[17:37] <bjsnider> yofel, no
[17:37] <yofel> ok
[17:37] <bjsnider> ppa
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu:  with the proper commands you can reinstall grub. - IF that was the only thing that got broke when the power failed
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> You need to figure out if you are using grub1 or 2 for starters
[17:39] <bobo123> Yeah about grub(2).... I installed a second copy of ubuntu (that I dont use) when my windows-fiddling destroyed the grub-menu for this one.... so now that second ubuntu have the grubmenu. How do I get the grubmenu back to hits ubuntu-installation?
[17:40] <bjsnider> what is the nature of the compiz bug right now?
[17:40] <bobo123> so I can delete the other one I mean
[17:40] <Airells> k thx for help
[17:44] <erry> Fix ati driver in 10.04 so the screen doesnt flicker like crazy.
[17:44] <erry> Ty.
[17:45] <EdgEy> useful
[17:46] <bobo123> I looked at the nvidia-list there...  I have an old computer with GeForce2GTS somewhere, if I installed ubuntu on that, would it select the version 71 driver for me or would it let the user select 173/96/current (and nothing would work after that) ?
[17:48] <yofel> not sure, 71 doesn't support the current X version anymore
[17:48] <billybigrigger> lol @ erry
[17:49] <billybigrigger> exactly why dev-releases shouldn't be open to the public
[17:49] <Oxymoron> But the dragonplayer doesnt work Dr_willis thats the thing :P
[17:50] <arand> billybigrigger: I disagree with "shouldn't be open", but rather "shouldn't be hyped and touted as the primary download from the homepage"
[17:51] <yofel> Oxymoron: the ibus error shouldn't be the issue though, and you can always start the ibus daemon by hand to test it
[17:52] <billybigrigger> arand, i'll agree to that :)
[17:53] <arand> But then again, it may be that it does fix bug1 at the end...
[17:56] <bobo123> yofel: aha ok.
[17:56] <yofel> I doubt that novice users using and unfinished version of ubuntu and being disappointed will fix bug1...
[17:56] <yofel> s/and/an/
[17:58] <ripps> All of a sudden, after updates this morning, Xorg has been using way too much cpu usage. It's causing pulseaudio music from mpd to stutter it's so bad. I don't even have to be doing anything or have any apps open for sound to stutter. Is anybody else experiencing this?
[17:58] <ripps> It's still around even after reboot
[17:58] <Fishscene> wow that's weird. I installed some gstreamer codecs and it uninstalled my video converter.
[17:59] <robertzaccour> how do i change the color of the window borders?
[17:59] <bjsnider> bobo123, you can select whatever driver you want, but none of them are guaranteed to work
[17:59] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes it works by manual test, but still Dragonplayer doesnt work. You rememeber when I isntalled ibus right? Then Dragonplayer worked awhile but then suddenly after a update or two it doesnt work again and same error as before.
[18:00] <robertzaccour> i changed the theme and now the wireless icon won't change back to default theme look
[18:00] <yofel> Oxymoron: yes, but I'm as clueless as you what the reason might be, I have never had *that* many issues with video playback
[18:00] <bobo123> bjsnider: whould be wonderfull if ubuntu told the user what to (not) select, so the user don't have to know :-)
[18:01] <Oxymoron> yofel: I dont know myself either I have tried like everything and my video card works, glxgear and all that works perfectly and so on.
[18:01] <TomTom> good evening, beta-2 is out. but it seems that still no sun-jdk is supported? how to get a sun-jdk going on lucid-server ?
[18:01] <ZykoticK9> TomTom, add the partner repo
[18:02] <TomTom> ZykoticK9: which one?
[18:02] <ZykoticK9> TomTom, i believe there is only one
[18:02] <Oxymoron> yofel: Its only Kaffeine and Dragonplayer as far as I know. Strange is that it works by running xine and mplayer in temrinal ...
[18:02] <robertzaccour> ok fixed it
[18:02] <yofel> huh? now dragon only skipst through a file here instead of playing it o.O
[18:02] <robertzaccour> now how do i change the color of the window borders?
[18:02] <yofel> *skips
[18:02] <Oxymoron> yofel: Weird, for me it plays the file with sound but cant render video window.
[18:03] <yofel> oh wait, I don't have libxine1-ffmpeg installed ^^
[18:03] <ZykoticK9> TomTom, you don't need the Source one, just the regular partner one
[18:04] <robertzaccour> this is a question that I don't know and is being ignored most likely because its deemed a "stupid question" i suppose
[18:04] <yofel> robertzaccour: not all of us use gnome for one thing, and I have no idea how to change the color of window borders
[18:05] <guntbert> robertzaccour: most questions are not really ignored - there is probably no one who knows an answer :)
[18:05] <robertzaccour> yofel, what makes you think i use gnome?
[18:05] <robertzaccour> guntbert, oh ok
[18:05] <yofel> robertzaccour: if you don't say anything, we always assume you use gnome, as that's the most used DE here
[18:06] <yofel> but I don't know how to do it in KDE either, except change the border theme
[18:08] <avis> could a geforce 6800 play adobe flash videos ?
[18:10] <yofel> avis: it should I think, as long as you have the flash player installed
[18:10] <robertzaccour> what differences are there between gnome and xfce on a 64 bit?
[18:11] <Oxymoron> yofel: ffmpeg is installed for me though
[18:11] <yofel> gnome and xfce are different desktop environments, and there shouldn't be any difference between the 32 and 64 bit version
[18:11] <Oxymoron> yofel: Its weird it istn say anything either it jsut plays file with a transparent window
[18:11] <robertzaccour> yofel, i get what you mean. i do use gnome, but seemed like you were saying almost no one uses somethin else sorry
[18:11] <robertzaccour> yofel, i mean performance wise
[18:12] <yofel> can't say really, I don't use xfce frequently enough
[18:13] <Oxymoron> I got this all the time:
[18:13] <Oxymoron> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[18:13] <Oxymoron> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[18:13] <Oxymoron> ibus-daemon is running or should anyway.
[18:14] <robertzaccour> i remember before lucid changing window border colors was in the theme menu
[18:15] <Oxymoron> yofel: And isnt ibus gnome specific?
[18:16] <yofel> Oxymoron: no, ibus can be used by gtk and qt4
[18:17] <Oxymoron> yofel: Well it sure updated both ibus-gtk and ibus-qt4 yesterday :P
[18:19] <Oxymoron> yofel: I started ibus-daemon and got the icon in systray and then go to settings and check input modes and nothing is in the list? :S
[18:20] <TomTom> ZykoticK9: thanks, you made my evening. why there is no "announcement" attached to the bug? they just say need packaging/fixed
[18:20] <ZykoticK9> TomTom, I wasn't even aware there was a bug about it...
[18:20] <yofel> Oxymoron: in the input methods I have 'English - ispell (m17n)' only
[18:21] <Oxymoron> yofel: I have nothing xD And whats input methods in ibus anyway? :P
[18:21] <yofel> odd thing is when I start the settings it gives me the 'ibus not started' error box twice o.O
[18:21] <yofel> Oxymoron: no idea :D
[18:22] <Oxymoron> yofel: Seem to be a bug in ibus I guess because I saw it being updated today and yesterday. Then now with Beta2 released they have sure been updated more htings :P
[18:24] <thevishy> hi
[18:24] <yofel> not really, there were almost no updates the last 2-3 days, all those new updates are post-beta2freeze
[18:25] <thevishy> i did a pxe install , and managed to install a system thought a bit broken . during pxe installation it failed during apt installation of ubuntu as a desktop option ....and hence seems like apt installation was incomplete
[18:25] <thevishy> so now I see only the prompt ... i need to use apt to install the system as a usable desktop with GUI
[18:26] <schmukkk> does lucid work with poulsbo, aka gma500?
[18:26] <sp> schmukkk: from what I've read so far: no
[18:26] <schmukkk> when will it?
[18:27] <kklimonda> no idea
[18:27] <schmukkk> maybe I could upgrade all but kernel, xserver?
[18:27] <thevishy> do guys get my issue ?
[18:27] <sp> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[18:27] <kklimonda> schmukkk: not really
[18:28] <schmukkk> canonical released a official netbook with gma500
[18:28] <schmukkk> and now they are dropping it?
[18:28] <schmukkk> that is pretty sloppy
[18:28] <kklimonda> thevishy: install ubuntu-desktop package, it should pull the rest
[18:28] <Oxymoron> yofel: Alright, I dont really know but its a lot with ibus, dragon, xserver and video related things updated
[18:28] <sp> schmukkk: canonical has never ever released hardware
[18:28] <yofel> schmukkk: we don't want to drop it, intel doesn't have a new driver that works
[18:28] <schmukkk> dell released a 8.04 netbook with gma500
[18:28] <nonameNN> did any one have problems with openoffice spreadsheet and compiz?
[18:28] <schmukkk> yofel, that is true
[18:28] <sp> schmukkk: also, it's Intel who are to blame, for not being able to provide a driver working with a more recent X server and/or kernel
[18:28] <schmukkk> sp, yes
[18:29] <sp> schmukkk: have a look at the bug report I pointed you to, details inside
[18:29] <schmukkk> and I should have done my research before buying it
[18:29] <schmukkk> but i though, its intel, it will work
[18:29] <sp> schmukkk: I'm owner of a psb device though, had the same assumption and am stuck on 9.10 for now too
[18:29] <kklimonda> well, in my opinion it's the biggest scam of this decade ;)
[18:29] <yofel> +1
[18:29] <schmukkk> +2
[18:30] <schmukkk> supposedly it is getting worked on in mailline
[18:30] <schmukkk> *mainline
[18:30] <nonameNN> when i play presentations on Oo they appear in the side of the screen... not even maximized....
[18:31] <sp> that's true... I don't know why Intel gave their rather good brand name for a device that is neither theirs nor one they have control over the driver code
[18:31] <sp> which is a schame
[18:31] <sp> s/schame/shame/
[18:31] <sp> :)
[18:31] <schmukkk> cause the other gma's work great on line
[18:31] <schmukkk> linux
[18:32] <nonameNN> sorry its not Oo spreadsheet if presentation
[18:32] <schmukkk> now i just need an ARM netbook....
[18:32] <schmukkk> they are taking forever
[18:32] <schmukkk> and the netwalker is too expensive
[18:41] <nikolam> How one can send bug report when he can not log in to system after installation
[18:42] <k1llm3kw1k> I have been having a very strange issue with xorg in 10.04 Beta1 / Beta2
[18:42] <k1llm3kw1k> it seems to go 8-bit and tile randomly and artifact
[18:42] <k1llm3kw1k> 9.10 worked perfect
[18:43] <nonameNN> hey does any one know how to fix a problem with openoffice presentation, when i click on play i can still see the gnome panels...
[18:44] <k1llm3kw1k> I tried removing my xorg config and also tried to use the oss radeon driver and the fglrx one
[18:44] <k1llm3kw1k> usually the web triggers the effect. Sometime locking then unlocking removes artifacts...not always though
[18:45] <dr3mro> does the fn+vol up and down key stuck in Amilo laptop fixed in lucid lynx
[18:49] <k1llm3kw1k> Graphics:  Card ATI RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1366x768@60.0hz
[18:49] <k1llm3kw1k>            GLX Renderer Mesa DRI R300 (RS690 791F) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 NO-TCL GLX Version 1.5 Mesa 7.6 Direct Rendering Yes
[19:00] <bobenth> My ubuntu lucid is displaying the wrong splash screen since its 1st update ( it shows "Mythubuntu" instead of the classical "ubuntu")... Does anyone heard something about that? :$
[19:01] <quellhorst> is there a list of whats new in ubuntu 10.x?
[19:04] <phibxr> This is interesting. When receiving a new mail, the letter-icon up by the systray will only be green on the desktop where Evolution was opened if you're running with dual monitors, even if both desktops have the icon. I guess it's due to both desktops running in separate X-sessions or something? :)
[19:06] <ZykoticK9> bobenth, this is a bug somewhere, but i can't find it :(  a number of people where running into this mythbuntu plymouth on non-mythbuntu machines - i'm still searching for bug
[19:10] <ZykoticK9> bobenth, sorry i can't find anything relevant - don't think Bug #550237 applies...  sorry.
[19:11] <ZykoticK9> bobenth, actually the steps documented at the top of that bug are probably what you need :)
[19:12] <Berzerker-> is it safe to upgrade now if we want to keep compiz?
[19:13] <thevishy> what is the lucid beta 1 official site
[19:13] <thevishy> rather mirror site
[19:13] <thevishy> where wil the directoyu /pool be
[19:15] <bobenth> Thank you so much ZykoticK9 and ubottu , i ll try that :)
[19:18] <hhlp> hi 'm trying to update from karmic to lucid with update-manager -d but i dont have any new version message what can i do ?
[19:18] <avis> hhlp, i heard that was not the proper way to upgrade some other method was preferred
[19:20] <aah> just installed lucid; the indicator applet doesn't allow me to tell empathy I'm available (though it does allow me to say I'm offline).  Anyone else seeing this?
[19:21] <ZykoticK9> aah, try setting yourself as available in empathy and see if the me menu updates
[19:21] <kklimonda> hhlp: what is the output of "grep -i prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" ?
[19:22] <hhlp> kklimonda, prompt=lts
[19:22] <kklimonda> hhlp: it should be normal
[19:22] <aah> ZykoticK9, it does.  but in karmic I could go on / offline with the applet -- in lucid I can only go off.
[19:22] <aah> (options are greyed out, not even clickable)
[19:22] <hhlp> kklimonda, ep but no new version message
[19:23] <ZykoticK9> aah, i'm not sure man - i just remember someone else being able to set status from empathy...  i don't really use empathy or memenu myself.  hope you find a fix.
[19:23] <TommyThaGun> there is a screen full of the same error when I boot ubuntu
[19:23] <TommyThaGun> where is the log for that?
[19:23] <acuster> hey all, how do we enable focus-follows-mouse ?
[19:24] <aah> ZykoticK9, kk, thanks.  there goes support avenue #1 down the drain.  :P
[19:24] <kklimonda> hhlp: try changing prompt to Prompt
[19:24] <acuster> ah, got it
[19:25] <phibxr> acuster: Most likely not the right channel to ask that in, I think. But at least you've got it working now, I take it. :)
[19:25] <bobenth> Thank you so much ZykoticK9 , it works!!! :)
[19:25] <ZykoticK9> bobenth, glad you got it working.
[19:26] <TommyThaGun> Sorry, let me ask my question in one line: I have an error when I load ubuntu that goes by way to fast to read what it is. Where would I find the log files with those errors?
[19:27] <phibxr> TommyThaGun: There is a boot.log in /var/boot. I don't know if that's what you're looking for though. :)
[19:28] <hhlp> kklimonda, this work great  thxs
[19:28] <TommyThaGun> I guess I'll see in a sec
[19:28] <phibxr> TommyThaGun: Eh. /var/log, I mean.
[19:29] <TommyThaGun> phibxr, that doesn't contain it
[19:29] <phibxr> TommyThaGun: Then I'm out of ideas, I don't know much about log files. :)
[19:30] <ZykoticK9> What package are installer bugs filed under?
[19:30] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[19:32] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, ubiquity - thank you
[19:33] <TommyThaGun> found it in a different log
[19:33] <TommyThaGun> I get a screen full of something resembling this "end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0" when I load
[19:34] <kklimonda> it sounds like either damaged disc or cd drive
[19:34] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[19:34] <TommyThaGun> it might be the cd drive
[19:34] <TommyThaGun> let me pop that out and reboot to test that theory
[19:34] <TommyThaGun> the cd in it is scratched like crazy
[19:34] <bcurtiswx_laptop> what package allows you to re-calibrate your touchscreen on your laptop?
[19:35] <bcurtiswx_laptop> or command..
[19:36]  * maxb swears at compiz' refusal to allow a window spread across multiple monitors, and runs metacity --replace
[19:37] <TommyThaGun> that resolved it
[19:37] <TommyThaGun> I took that disk out
[19:39] <TommyThaGun> next question: why do I get about 10 of these errors in my log file every time I boot? "Apr  9 14:35:53 spidersense init: kdm main process ended, respawning
[19:39] <TommyThaGun> Apr  9 14:35:53 spidersense init: kdm main process (1182) terminated with status 1"
[19:39] <TommyThaGun> When I don't use KDM
[19:39] <TommyThaGun> or have k installed at all
[19:46] <TommyThaGun> no one?
[19:47] <VoJe> Where do i have to go to get some help with moonlight?
[19:48] <kklimonda> VoJe: try #moonlight @ gimpnet
[19:49] <VoJe> thank you!§
[19:49] <idioteque> hi im unable to get the ATI Drivers working for my onboard 4200
[19:50] <idioteque> any suggestions? ;)
[19:51] <rapha> Hi all!
[19:51] <rapha> Is there any way to get the HTMLValidator plugin to work in Lucid?
[19:52] <idioteque> any ATI DRIVERS that may work with 4200 for lucid? :( please help... i've been struggling for hours now...
[19:52] <NinoScript> Hi! I'm quite sure this is a stupid question, but I want to be sure :P The alpha 3 has the latest, the beta 2 *should* be more stable, right?
[19:53] <danyR> NinoScript, right. we're in a much more advanced state of the development cycle
[19:53] <danyR> everything is pretty much tested, by npw
[19:53] <psusi> NinoScript: that sentence did not parse... has the latest what?
[19:53] <psusi> NinoScript: beta 2 is newer than beta 1 is newer than alpha 3
[19:53] <NinoScript> psusi: mmm… stuff?
[19:54] <NinoScript> psusi: So, the latest version is the beta, not the alpha?
[19:55] <psusi> NinoScript: of course... betas always come after alphas
[19:55] <rapha> Anybody using HTMLValidator at all under Ubuntu?
[19:56] <idioteque> everything is crashing under lucid for me... :S is it also a display driver problem?
[19:56] <NinoScript> psusi: :O, I thought it was something like… we're almost stable, let's name it beta 2, now, let's try newer things that could break things, let's name it alpha 3. I guess it was a good idea to ask :P
[19:57] <idioteque> any ATI DRIVERS that may work with 4200 for lucid? :( please help... i've been struggling for hours now...
[19:58] <jordanl> i just did a fresh beta2 install and got this error when trying to boot: ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/6d00675b-3a30-4f66-b980-bd23e2fa44ae does not exist.
[19:58] <jordanl> i booted from the livecd in rescue mode and am now in a chroot
[19:58] <rapha> Another question, how to get libstdc++ 5 in Lucid? Is there a Repo that has these old compat libs?
[19:58] <jordanl> can anyone help me poke at some internals to try fo find the cause?
[19:59] <Joeseph64> I delted the "me menu" off gnome panel. How do I get it back?
[19:59] <idioteque> am i the only one whose using ATI or this channel is dead? :(
[20:00] <ZykoticK9> Joeseph64, i believe the memenu is called "indicator applet session"
[20:01] <Joeseph64> ZykoticK9: That's confusing.  I figured it would be called "Me Menu".
[20:01] <Joeseph64> ZykoticK9: But that is what it is.
[20:01] <joaopinto_> per chance anyone had a corrupted filesystem to see the recovery options :P ?
[20:02] <ZykoticK9> Joeseph64, you want really unclear -- alt+tab is called Next Window in compiz, in keyboard shortcuts it's called "Move between windows, using a popup window"
[20:03] <Joeseph64> ZykoticK9: That's funny.
[20:04] <idioteque> any ATI DRIVERS that may work with 4200 for lucid? :( please help... i've been struggling for hours now...
[20:05] <ZykoticK9> idioteque, if someone has an answer for you - i'm sure they'll speak up (mainly nvidia/intel in this channel i believe)
[20:05] <TommyThaGun> Question: Is there a way to reconfigure gnome's appearance to the default upon installation? I upgraded from karmic and made tons of alterations to it when in Karmic... I'm curious how it is upon a fresh install of lucid.
[20:05] <idioteque> :(
[20:05] <ZykoticK9> TommyThaGun, i'd recommend creating a new user to see/test
[20:06] <b_> how to install GYACHI in LUCID BETA since SH is not workin!!!... Anyone plz  help?
[20:06] <TommyThaGun> oh yeah, great idea
[20:06] <TommyThaGun> thanks ZykoticK9
[20:06] <ZykoticK9> TommyThaGun, glad to help
[20:07] <b_> GYACHI ON LUCID PLZ HELP
[20:07] <guntbert> !shout | b_
[20:08] <Fishscene> sh worked perfectly fine for me.
[20:08] <b_> @ubot caps was accidently on,.. sorry
[20:09] <b_> i do open with sh on gyachi n nothin happens
[20:10] <idioteque> everything is crashing for me... all the programs... almost... all! :S could this be a display driver problem?
[20:11] <b_> is there any other iIM with YAHOO CAM N VOICE N CHATROOMS??
[20:12] <kklimonda> b_: you are still shouting...
[20:12] <b_> im noob to irc n ubuntu
[20:12] <Fishscene> Doesn't mean you have to speak noob.
[20:12] <b_> how to send message to a person @kklimonda
[20:13] <kklimonda> b_: you don't have to send it to a person, public channel is just fine
[20:13] <b_> what does shouting mean?.. wat does caps lock do?
[20:14] <ZykoticK9> Anyone have a link covering Proprietary nvidia driver + plymouth resolution?  Is it locked to 640x480, or is there a method to increase this resolution?
[20:14] <b_> no i mean when u want to address a message to a particular person
[20:14] <kklimonda> b_: it makes you type capitalised text and it doesn't make it easier to read it
[20:14] <kklimonda> b_: well, just type his or her name before message just like I do
[20:14] <b_> the way when u send a message it reffers to me with my name in the beginning of the message
[20:15] <b_> kklimonda, like this ..cool
[20:16] <b_> kklimonda, how to make gyachi wwork on lucid?.. i loved it in karmic
[20:16] <kklimonda> b_: no idea, if there is no package available yet you'll have to wait
[20:16] <kklimonda> b_: ask the person you got the karmic package from
[20:16] <yofel> ZykoticK9: you can set up a higher resolution for the framebuffer
[20:17] <b_> kklimonda, any other imms like empathy or pigdin or somethin else that offers yahoo cam, voice and chat rooms??
[20:17] <yofel> ZykoticK9: I have plymouth with nvidia with 1600x1200x32 here, so it works
[20:17] <ZykoticK9> yofel, are you aware of any online documentation covering that?
[20:17] <kklimonda> b_: I don't use yahoo im myself so I have no idea
[20:18] <yofel> ZykoticK9: we have almost no documentation on plymouth actually it seems :( you can find the way to set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX up on the grub2 wiki page in the /etc/default/grub section
[20:18] <ZykoticK9> yofel, thanks :)
[20:18] <b_> kklimonda, i heard the only time u need to restart or reboot is when u do a kernel update... but now when i did an update without anythin related to kernel... it asked to reboot why is dat?
[20:19] <JohnTed> There are no ubuntu+1 alternative daily images? or beta images even.
[20:20] <kklimonda> b_: I think every package can request a reboot if it's required for some reason.
[20:20] <yofel> !daily | JohnTed use the daily for alternative
[20:21] <yofel> JohnTed: and you can find the beta2 images here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ (that's linked from the release page actually...)
[20:21] <b_> kklimonda, if i keep updating my box... it means i will automatically get the LTS version rite?.. no need for fresh install?
[20:21] <JohnTed> o good
[20:21] <JohnTed> ok
[20:21] <kklimonda> b_: yes, you will get LTS
[20:22] <rapha> Can you tell Nautilus to open the extra pane by default?
[20:22] <JohnTed> I was checking daily's for awhile, I didn't see any alternatives.
[20:22] <b_> what is the diff between beta1 and beta2??.. which is more recent?
[20:22] <rapha> b_: what number is greater? 1 or 2?
[20:22] <rapha> jesus
[20:23] <guntbert> JohnTed: there were a few days when the alternate image wasn't on the website
[20:23] <Pici> !final | b_
[20:23] <b_> rapha, then how come when i went to upgrade from karmic today it offfered me beta1 and not beta2?
[20:24] <JohnTed> guntbert: I see
[20:24] <JohnTed> thanks for the help yofel and guntbert , I appreciate it.
[20:25] <kklimonda> b_: sounds like a bug but it doesn't matter - it will update to  the newest version anyway
[20:26] <b_> guys im noob to ubuntu.. just curious is apt-get better or aptitude?
[20:26] <rapha> b_: fluke in the update script maybe ... who cares
[20:27] <yofel> !noob | b_ (even if you use them for yourself)
[20:27] <git__> does anyone know if Lucid support TRIM?
[20:27] <b_> rapha, kklimonda aptitude, apt-get, update manager??.. which is easier n gets the job done?
[20:28] <yofel> b_: for the command line use aptitude, update-manager is the gnome app
[20:28] <b_> btw wat does jfgi and rtfm mean?
[20:28] <mauri> i have just buy scanner cannon lide 100 but it seems not support by lucid
[20:28] <b_> yofel, wat abt apt-get?
[20:29] <yofel> b_: aptitude is a package manager just like apt-get, but usually does a better job
[20:29] <Pici> !apt
[20:30] <b_> thanks guys.
[20:30] <ZykoticK9> mauri, according to SANE http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl the lide 100 doesn't seem to be supported
[20:31] <mauri> ZykoticK9: i know.....but is there any way to solve it or i have to waste the just buyed scanner
[20:31] <b_> yofel, Pici ubottu kklimonda when you right click in gnome panel u get add to panel n then u get cpu frequency scaling monitor... is there something like that in kde??
[20:32] <guntbert> !u | b_
[20:32] <Pici> b_: I don't use KDE, sorry.
[20:32] <ZykoticK9> mauri, all i know is what that page says - i don't own that particular canon scanner - my lide 25 works fine.  Best of luck.
[20:32] <b_> ubottu, i named the user accounts on my pc as a,b,c,d,etc...
[20:35] <b_> Pici, is it advisable to get gnome 3.0 on lucid beta?
[20:36] <Pici> b_: We're shipping gnome 2.30.  Whether you want to use gnome-shell (3.0) is up to you.
[20:36] <ZykoticK9> b_, gnome 3 isn't available yet - gnome-shell is the beta interface, but it's not feature complete by any means -- it's cool to test but its no gnome replacement
[20:37] <frxstrem> does Lucid use other repositories than other versions of Ubuntu?
[20:38] <b_> Pici, ZykoticK9  is ubuntu gonna remain free forever? or just like bsd fedora mandriva suse it will start charging after it gets enough popularity and users  that depend on it?
[20:38] <Htron> When I boot up Lucid's 32bit or 64bit live cd, I seem to get getting stuck after selecting languages and that I want to run off of the livecd on a splash screen; any way to turn that splash off?
[20:38] <Pici> b_: It will always be free
[20:38] <Pici> frxstrem: What do you mean?
[20:38] <karlhunt> would sudo apt-get update
[20:38] <karlhunt> upgrade
[20:38] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, what is th nature of the current compiz bug?
[20:38] <Htron> karlhunt, no
[20:38] <karlhunt> dist-upgrade put me on
[20:38] <karlhunt> beta 2
[20:38] <Pici> !enter
[20:39] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, metacity and compiz are mutually exclusive for some reason
[20:39] <Pici> !final | karlhunt
[20:39] <frxstrem> no, but I just want to install a version of PHP (in Karmic) that is only available in the Lucid repositories
[20:39] <frxstrem> (@Pici)
[20:39] <b_> Pici, u know the other distros had started free too ... but when they gained alot of popularity and users they started two versions free and non free u may know better what im talkin abt!
[20:39] <karlhunt> Thanks Pici
[20:39] <karlhunt> I thought as much
[20:39] <Pici> b_: Canonical charges for support contracts, they do not sell the distro itself though.
[20:40] <Fishscene> Ubuntu is considered to be one of the most popular linux distros already.
[20:40] <Pici> frxstrem: You may want to look for a PPA then, because lucid packages often depend on versions that are only in Lucid.  Using them to install even just a single package can pull in dependencies and break things.
[20:41] <frxstrem> Pici: okay, thanks anyway
[20:42] <b_> Pici, ubottu kklimonda ZykoticK9 i switched from windows 7 to ubuntu just cause of compiz fusion....i installed windows7 on a vmware now.. but cant get it to boot when i restart pc..!!
[20:44] <ZykoticK9> b_, ubottu isn't a real person, she's a (ro)Bot.  Don't use VMWare myself, thus have no idea.
[20:45] <b_> ZykoticK9, is there any virtual machine vmware or openbox or virtual box or anythin that can help u to boot at startup... i dont want to partition my pc..!  it might erase data..
[20:46] <ZykoticK9> b_, not that i'm aware of, Virtualization doesn't typically work in that manner
[20:47] <b_> ZykoticK9, i heard vmware workstation and not the vmware player can do that .. so i got it ,.. just dont know how to make it boot from it at startup
[20:50] <b_> there is a bug in compiz fusion?? my skydome is not working or being displayed properly on cube rotate
[20:51] <karlhunt> I am getting red outlines around icons on the taskbar after I click on them. Is this normal?
[20:52]  * Oxymoron wonders if the new nvidia-current update will solve anything :P
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> karlhunt: i haven't seen read outlines before. the power button goes red after a kernel update
[20:54] <ubuntujenkins> *red
[20:54] <Oxymoron> Hmm: update-alternatives: varning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf because link group gl_conf is broken.
[20:54] <karlhunt> After I click on a shortcut on the task bar it leaves a red line around the icon
[20:55] <karlhunt> until I click another icon
[20:55] <brontosaurusrex> beta1 should update itself to beta2 i assume?
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> karlhunt: doesn't happen here
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> !final | brontosaurusrex
[20:57] <Tohuw> Is anyone else getting crashes of desktopcouch-service on every start?
[20:58] <Tohuw> U1 is not working for me right now.
[20:58] <Oxymoron> Hey guys, whats this about kdesudo appear on login that says: Type password to use this device? :S
[21:04] <ubuntujenkins> Oxymoron: do you have automatic login?
[21:04] <brontosaurusrex> what would i need to backup to get the same gnome look for another user?
[21:04] <Oxymoron> ubuntujenkins: Yes now I have, but I had same problem before that too.
[21:05] <nonameNN> brontosaurusrex: all .gconf .gnome .etc etc it depends what you want to save... and restore in /etc/skel
[21:05] <neure> hi
[21:05] <neure> does lucid work in vmware now?
[21:05] <Oxymoron> ubuntujenkins: Is it a known issue/bug?
[21:05] <waltercool> is lucid using more mono?
[21:05] <blue-frog> nonameNN, you can install sabayon, dowhatever for a user then copy/paste the . files for this user
[21:05] <waltercool> more mono apps*
[21:06] <bjsnider> !find libawt.so
[21:06]  * Oxymoron is exciting to see how fast developers will work to fix all issues left before stable LTS release of Lucid Lynx 10.04 :P
[21:06] <bjsnider> !find libjvm.so
[21:06] <ubuntujenkins> Oxymoron: not that i am aware off, i have no other suggestions. but working out what device is asking for the password woul dbe a good place to start
[21:07] <Oxymoron> ubuntujenkins: I dont know, its no info I only got kdesudo window to type password and it doesnt matter if I click abort or type in root password.
[21:07] <brontosaurusrex> nonameNN: just the look of the panels basically
[21:07] <neure> could someone point me to beta2 netinstall mini cd?
[21:07] <nonameNN> brontosaurusrex: .gconf .gnome .gnome2 in /etc/skel modify all files in each folder as you wish
[21:08] <brontosaurusrex> nonameNN: ok, ty
[21:08]  * Oxymoron would also like to know how to change resolution and bit depth for plymouth? gfxpayload doesnt really work, then system crashed and CPU fan or GPU fan goes like crazy and you need to turn it off xD
[21:08] <ubuntujenkins> Oxymoron: not a kde user i am afraid but i would be careful typing in your password if you don't know what it is for. Usually it would say in gnome
[21:09] <nonameNN> ubuntu developers should give chromium a chance... its working so much better than firefox
[21:09] <Oxymoron> ubuntujenkins: Alright, well I dont type in password anymore. The boxes/windows recently got there.
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> nonameNN: i don't know about you but i find the odd page doesn't work expecially ubuntu geek
[21:10] <Oxymoron> nonameNN: I agree ;) Before I mostly used Firefox, but Chromium is lovely if you dont take a look on all minor details that doesnt work xD
[21:10] <ZykoticK9> Oxymoron, thanks to yofel i just (a few minutes) got higher plymouth resolution (on proprietary nvidia) by editing /etc/default/grub and adding 2 lines, see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> equally on crome there is the odd setting i miss once in a while
[21:11] <nonameNN> i didnt have any problem with chromium browser... all i wanted to do works ok... i dont know any web page that doesnt work,,,
[21:11] <Nalf> Can anyone help me with this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411783/
[21:12] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Thanks, I have the gfxmode turned on but If I use gfxpayload the fans goes crazy as hell :D
[21:12] <rohan> are lucid ISOs directly dump-able to usb stick?
[21:13] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: And why do you have to add those lines yourself btw? :P
[21:13] <ZykoticK9> Oxymoron, that i wouldn't know about sorry.  good luck man
[21:13] <guntbert> rohan: no - different file system if I remember correctly
[21:13] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Well thanks :)
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> rohan: yep use start up disk creator
[21:13] <rohan> ubuntujenkins: no i am not talking about that.. i am talking about directly using dd
[21:13] <rohan> a facility all latest distros provide (fedora,suse,mandriva)
[21:14] <rohan> guntbert: oh ok :(
[21:14] <ubuntujenkins> rohan: i see dd = directly dump-able
[21:18] <rohan> ubuntujenkins: not really :) dd is just a command.. but yes, dd is used to 'dump' the iso to a stick, which keeps the stick in isofs, as opposed to using usb-creator which uses fat32
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> rohan: fair enough
[21:20] <avis> rohan, can you make a usb stick with a persistant file system that way ?
[21:20] <guntbert> rohan: what surprises me is " all latest distros provide": I cannot imagine an isofs on an usb stick
[21:20] <duffydack> rohan, I use this.. with great success http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html
[21:20] <rohan> avis: no
[21:21] <duffydack> rohan, baically just create a fat16 for the bootloader, then however many partitions for isos and cat iso > /dev/sdb1  for eg
[21:22] <rohan> duffydack: your way is longer.. in newer distros you can just do dd if=iso of=/dev/sdX and boot it
[21:22] <rohan> hybrid isolinux or something
[21:22] <Nalf> Anyone here good with X? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411783/ It keeps core dumping. :(
[21:22] <duffydack> rohan, more than 1 ?
[21:22] <rohan> ubuntu ISOs up until karmic did not support it
[21:22] <rohan> duffydack: not more than 1, no
[21:22] <jason86> i'm having a little trouble extracting a winrar folder. can someone help me with opening the folder as root?
[21:22] <duffydack> rohan, well thats the difference then..
[21:23] <rohan> guntbert: why not? of course that pen drive won't be readable in windows
[21:23] <duffydack> rohan, good to know tho.
[21:23] <rohan> sure, i've been trying fedora ISOs that way, because i am using old ubuntu 8.04 which has older syslinux and hence can't create pen drives using new usb-creator
[21:24] <guntbert> rohan: I'll make sure to read up on that - thx for the hint
[21:25] <rohan> :)
[21:26] <rohan> they are called hybrid ISOs - http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Installing_Mandriva_Linux#Installation_from_a_USB_stick
[21:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Big improvments in Beta2 I think. Looks/feels better.
[21:27] <jason86> is there a command to open a folder as root without having to use the terminal?
[21:28] <rohan> jason86: gksudo nautilus
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> jason86:ALT+F2 "gksudo nautilus"
[21:28] <neure> let's try again.. where can i find the mini install cd image?
[21:28] <jason86> thanks, i'm used to the right-click open folder as root
[21:29] <LinuxGuy2009> google ubuntu minimal
[21:29] <Pici> !minimal
[21:30] <phibxr> Hmm. I'm getting 'E: Broken packages' when I'm trying to install the gnucash-package from the repositories. Is this a known issue?
[21:30] <neure> thanks but that page doesnt have download link for lucid
[21:30] <Pici> neure: Use those links on that wiki page, but change karmic to lucid, etc.
[21:30] <ZykoticK9> neure, i don't see a Lucid mini at all???
[21:30] <kklimonda> phibxr: no, it sounds like a local problem
[21:30] <LinuxGuy2009>  phibxr: Look in launchpad
[21:31] <phibxr> It gives me "gnucash: Depends: slib (>= 3a2-5) but it is not installable".
[21:31] <neure> thanks
[21:31] <kklimonda> ah, my bad
[21:31] <neure> that wroked, but i'd say it's a bit hacky
[21:31] <kklimonda> I hav both karmic and lucid terminals opened
[21:31] <sp> phibxr: means that slib in the required version is not available from the archive
[21:31] <kklimonda> phibxr: yeah, it's broken
[21:31] <cuznt> i need help to undo my lucid
[21:31] <cuznt> lucid broke my w00kie
[21:32] <sp> cuznt: what do you mean with undo your lucid? and what do you mean with lucid broke your "w00kie"?
[21:32] <cuznt> i can not even get to recovery
[21:33] <cuznt> i can not boot my kde
[21:33] <cuznt> i upgraded and for sure should not have
[21:33] <arand> cuznt: You get to the grub menu? any messages on boot? etc.?
[21:34] <cuznt> something about plymouth
[21:34] <Pretto> does anyone knows where can i find the new ubuntu font used in the new brand?
[21:35] <arand> Surprise, surprise, surprise...
[21:35] <cuznt> i could redo and write it down. that i did not consider. I CAN get to grub. i have like 6 possibilities and each a recovery. I also have dual boot win7 and xp
[21:35] <cuznt> you can rub it in i deserve it
[21:35] <arand> cuznt: You could try booting with the nomodeset kernel flag.
[21:36] <cuznt> and how would i do that please?
[21:36] <arand> cuznt: alternatively, use a liveCD to chroot into the install, remove plymouth and hope that might work
[21:36] <jadams> anyone else having problems with smbfs?  I just apt-get upgrade'd, and now it says it has an unmet dependency and is broken, can't install, didn't mount my shares, etc.
[21:37] <arand> cuznt: from the boot menu, edit one entry, edit the linux ***** line and add nomodeset at the very end.
[21:37] <cuznt> and by chroot you mean a terminal root@cuznt ?
[21:38] <cuznt> i will try the nomodeset thank you...
[21:39] <arand> cuznt: chroot ~~ mounting the installed ubuntu filesystem from a liveCD and logging into a root terminal in it that way.
[21:39] <newan> sry my system do not start, or have no graphic setting, the screen is black...
[21:41] <DonaldShimoda> so, how perform the beta? so so or bad bad
[21:42] <cuznt> thats what i thought thanks arand
[21:42] <arand> DonaldShimoda: so so for some, bad bad for others.
[21:42] <alvin> Depens on what you are using. If you use lvm, do not upgrade
[21:42] <DonaldShimoda> arand, LOL, then go as expected. ;)
[21:42] <DonaldShimoda> alvin, no, i dont use lvm
[21:43] <alvin> I do, and I'm feeling a bit left in the cold here
[21:43] <newan> how do you start the grub menü
[21:43] <DonaldShimoda> alvin, i know thet feeling...
[21:43] <rohan> anyone notice that in beta2, the sound icon in the top panel does not reflect the actual volume you've set? just shows 3 '-' next to the speaker icon?
[21:44] <DonaldShimoda> alvin, i will stay on 9.10 then...
[21:44] <guntbert> newan: press the right shift key during boot
[21:44] <newan> thanks
[21:45] <rohan> that's one more thing that sucks.. how is one to know that the shift key is to be pressed? it's not written anywhere!
[21:45] <histo> rohan: mine reflects level
[21:45] <histo> rohan: if I turn it down it goes down.
[21:45] <guntbert> newan: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 , search for GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[21:45] <rohan> histo: hmm strange. it's not just 3 dashes?
[21:46] <histo> rohan: grub2 has been around for a while know.
[21:46] <histo> rohan: no ones I go down to half way it goes to 2 dashes
[21:46] <alvin> No, that is grub2 beta
[21:46] <histo> rohan: I see what you mean now
[21:46] <rohan> histo, i am not talking about GRUB2. i am talking about booting from the actual CD iso
[21:46] <histo> rohan: if volume is all the way down its --- instead of )))
[21:47] <johnnyCbad> Question: Anyone here using the vanilla "Extra Visual Effects" compiz setting on Lucid, or indeed just the Wobbly Windows plugin?
[21:47] <histo> rohan: turn your sound up and see it change
[21:47] <rohan> histo, no even on full volume it is showing --- not )))
[21:48] <histo> rohan: you mentioned not nowing about the shift key thats a grub question
[21:48] <histo> rohan: hrm. thats odd
[21:48] <rohan> sorry, i must have framed it wrong. i mentioned not knowing how to show up the menu while booting a d
[21:48] <rohan> a CD
[21:49] <ripps> The recent updates today cause Xorg to become really slow after about a half hour. I've already ruled out the usual candidates (compiz, flash, etc) but I can't figure out what's causing it to slow down. Does anybody know of someway to isolate the problem?
[21:49] <ZykoticK9> rohan, i've had the --- vs ||| issue with the volume control on-and-off for all of Lucid's development (right now it's working fine, but give it a day or two and I might be back to --- again)
[21:49] <arand> rohan: just press any button, isn't it?
[21:49] <phibxr> ripps: Have you tried starting a session with just a failsafe terminal?
[21:50] <ZykoticK9> rohan, i'm just happy the mouse wheel controls volume again (I missed that feature)
[21:51] <rohan> arand, that should still be mentioned.
[21:51] <ripps> phibxr: that's about the only thing I haven't done. Leaving my computer alone for a half-hour doesn't set it off, I have to be using it, but I can't isolate what's causing the slowdown. Even closing everything doesn't eliminate it. Restarting GDM, on the otherhand does temporarily fix the issue, but it eventually come back.
[21:51] <rohan> zyko, i am not sure how to check, since there is no visual feedback
[21:52] <phibxr> ripps: I'd recommend trying to start an 'epty' x-session, perhaps with just a terminal. Should be available from your GDM, if they haven't changed it. :)
[21:52] <phibxr> ripps: s/epty/empty
[21:53] <ripps> phibxr: than what?
[21:53] <phibxr> ripps: See what happens, do 'top' in the terminal and monitor the usage. :)
[21:56] <gatlin> I know someone here filed a bug regarding nforce chipsets
[21:56] <gatlin> specifically, that plymouth doesn't work correctly with two monitors and the nouveau driver
[21:57] <gatlin> I don't recall the bug number and I am curious to see if any improvements have been made to plymouth.  alpha3 worked on my machine, beta1 did not
[21:57] <gatlin> haven't had the chance to try beta2 yet
[21:57] <shakeuk> hi i was wondering if one of you fine folk can help me set up my connection to my exchange 2007 account using evolution
[21:58] <shakeuk> apparently i need the evolution-mapi plugin installed but i cant figure out how to make it work
[21:58] <arand> gatlin: No change from what I've seen on the reports, hang on while I dig a bit...
[21:59] <gatlin> Cool, thanks arand.  I find it odd that for an LTS release they decided to add a new bootsplash system
[22:00] <shakeuk> i have the plugin installed i mean thats not what i cant figure out but once i select that option as a connection i dont know what details im ment to be putting in to log in to my exchange 2007 OWA account
[22:00] <arand> gatlin: Bug #532984 and Bug #532047 (Pro Tip: subscribe to them for email notifications of changes).
[22:01] <gatlin> that's actually why i was asking for them again, so I wouldn't have to bother anyone again :)
[22:01] <shakeuk> anyone here using evolution to connect to their exchange 2007 account?
[22:03] <arand> gatlin: They tried adding plymouth in Karmic, but it got pulled early since it was considered not ready to go, or if it was just in the planning stage... Anyhow, the've decided to go for plymouth, and it makes sense to get it into an LTS seeing how long the'll have to support it; nice to have consintency in all coexisting ubuntu versions.
[22:03] <gatlin> I hadn't thought of it that way, but I agree with you
[22:04] <shakeuk> anyone have any idea how they can solve my problem?
[22:04] <Fishscene> Do you have the information needed to connect to your exchange 2007 account?
[22:05] <shakeuk> i have my server URL yes and my username and password
[22:05] <Fishscene> aka: Port number, user name, password, domain, etc..
[22:05] <shakeuk> it doesnt ask for all that info
[22:05] <shakeuk> it asks for server, username and domain name
[22:05] <arand> It is trading stability, and in my opinion, possibly a to big a tradeoff, seeing how many have issues with it... It works for me though, so I can't complain that much, and I don't have to worry about it if I don't choose to :/
[22:05] <shakeuk> im putting my OWA url in the server box and my username in the username box
[22:06] <shakeuk> but not too sure about domain name but I put what i thought in their
[22:06] <shakeuk> but this fails
[22:07] <Fishscene> I'm not really sure at this point. I assume it is known to work in other scenarios (such as Windows or Ubuntu 9.10).
[22:08] <Vigo> Fishscene: I would agree.
[22:08] <shakeuk> it works in windows 7 using outlook
[22:08] <shakeuk> ofcourse but i dont have outlook on ubuntu
[22:09] <vinicius> awesome, telepathy irc :)
[22:09] <Vigo> Lucid is BETA! very Beta,
[22:10] <shakeuk> anyone can help me?
[22:11] <Fishscene> Are you able to get it working under 9.10?
[22:11] <shakeuk> i havent tried but i guess not
[22:12] <rapha> whah! is there no way anymore to minimize rhythmbox to the traY?!
[22:13] <vinicius> Do I leave irc channels if I close the windows?
[22:13] <sp> vinicius: depends on the IRC client you are using, but usually you leave those channels, yes
[22:13] <vinicius> (empathy/telepathy)
[22:14] <Nalf> Can anyone help me with this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411783/
[22:14] <vinicius> I'm used to irssi on a screen in the background, so this is a lot of clutter in the window panel :/
[22:15] <sp> vinicius: I don't know for sure to be honest, but usually closing a window makes you leave the channel
[22:15] <orangejuice> Quick question, I'm loading lucid lynx beta1 from a USB, I was wondering how long does it generally take to load (this is my first usb install), loading screen has been going for ~10 minutes, is it most liekly stalled?
[22:15] <Nalf> Yes.
[22:15] <Nalf> orangejuice: Takes me about 20seconds, on a slow boot to load.
[22:16] <orangejuice> I see
[22:16] <Nalf> orangejuice: And as far as I know, there are known boot/shutdown issues with the livecd.
[22:16] <Fishscene> You usually can press esc to view the boot process
[22:17] <Vigo> Fishscene: Boot logs can also be viewed.
[22:17] <Fishscene> ...or whatever the technical term is for watching the boot line-by-line.
[22:18] <Vigo> I saw on one boot that BSDutilities had a  misconfiguration, I am old, and had to look at the /var/logs to fix it, then I noticed the GUI log thing, that was easier to use.
[22:18] <orangejuice> Hmm what I see is "Glib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id(0)"
[22:18] <uikxx> hallo ppl any one have any  issues whit skype mic ,,, ?
[22:19] <arand> orangejuice: Bug #532984 and/or Bug #532047
[22:20] <uikxx> My hard ware are "as aspier one d20-1dw"  any one have same  issues?
[22:20] <gatlin> orangejuice: i have the same exact problem
[22:20] <gatlin> system specs?
[22:20] <huerlisi> got the following error when updating a karmic server installation to lucic:
[22:20] <huerlisi> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall
[22:21] <mrwes> welp -- made it to beta 2
[22:21] <mrwes> heh
[22:21] <huerlisi> manual run of mountall showed problem with swap
[22:21] <huerlisi> did disable swap
[22:21] <huerlisi> manual run of mountall did not show errors afterward
[22:21] <huerlisi> any idea?
[22:22] <orangejuice> gatlin: it's an amd ii phenom x4 940
[22:22] <orangejuice> With the amd64 cd.
[22:22] <orangejuice> s/cd/iso/
[22:22] <gatlin> equivalent setup here. gfx card/
[22:22] <gatlin> ?
[22:22] <orangejuice> ATI 4890HD
[22:22] <Vigo> huerlisi: Does the media check out good sectors and such?
[22:22] <huerlisi> it's a 64 bit KVM virtual guest in a karmic KVM host
[22:22] <arand> orangejuice: Are there any dual monitors involved?
[22:23] <orangejuice> arand: nope, single monitor.
[22:23] <huerlisi> Vigo: it's a virtual host, no such thing like media check;-)
[22:23] <uikxx> skype... bug the mic ... pps.... any one have  issues ? like to now
[22:24] <huerlisi> Vigo: simply replaced karmic with lucid in sources.list, but used update-manager-core after it didn't work out as expected...
[22:24] <switchgirl> ok bleachbit hasnt worked
[22:24] <Nalf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/544508 < Does anyone know of a work around for this?
[22:24] <Fishscene> uikxx: Is it just with Skype? Have you tried the sound recorder?
[22:25] <uikxx> yes it work ...
[22:25] <uikxx> every thing work ,,,,
[22:25] <huerlisi> apt-get upgrade does work, but holds back quite a few important packages, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't...
[22:25] <vinicius> yay ubuntu world store working! just purchased two albuns :)
[22:25] <uikxx> i on acer spier one d250-1dw
[22:26] <Vigo> huerlisis: I had a like problem on a single install, grabbed the ISO, all works.
[22:26] <uikxx> do u have any solution? fish
[22:26] <Fishscene> uikxx: I trust you've already tried to configure skype to use your mic.. but beyond that, I'm not much help.
[22:27] <huerlisi> Vigo: thanx, but that's no real solution in my case;-)
[22:27] <huerlisi> Exact steps i took are documented in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/559582
[22:27] <uikxx> sii.. i did and i ben google my problem all day still no luck
[22:27] <uikxx> bin"
[22:28] <Fishscene> Google won't have much to tell you on yesterday's release of Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2.
[22:29] <uikxx> u now i m mac user ... linux GNU is not my theme but i do love t :)
[22:29] <orangejuice> Hmm I suppose I should give beta2 a try.
[22:29] <uikxx> :)
[22:29] <uikxx> but the ubuntu updater did ... :)
[22:30] <Vigo> Doesn't the uname thing display it?
[22:30] <arand> switchgirl: Did you find out which of the log files was the huge one?
[22:32] <uikxx> Man i love the linux pps can chat and help one n other ... macs sucks and dos 2 :)
[22:32] <neure> dos?
[22:32] <uikxx> win
[22:32] <Zenker> im having an issue with the package installer for example, im trying to install limewire deb from limewire.com and the package installer says that "Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java6-jre|icedtea-java7-jre|sun-java6-jdk|icedtea-java7-jdk"  i verified that OpenJDK Java 6 Runtime, OpenJDK Java 6 Web Start and Icedtea Java Plugin are installed, what do i need 2 do?
[22:32] <uikxx> doss what ever the call it
[22:33] <switchgirl> no i dunno howto
[22:34] <uikxx> Zenker .... limewire is badcode try thepiratebay :)
[22:35] <jakenbecky> anyone out there how can help with connecting to an exchange 2007 account using evolution?
[22:35] <arand> switchgirl: the preview in bleashbit should list the logs by size, did that not show it...
[22:35] <switchgirl> !bittorrent
[22:35] <switchgirl> !p2p
[22:36] <switchgirl> huh why no "dont use for illegality"   ?
[22:36] <kwtm> Let's hear your opinions: I downloaded about 25% of the Kubuntu DVD (lucid beta-2) but I don't need it any more, since I did a straight (non-torrent) download off the web.  I can't stop downloading and seed only what I have, for some reason.  Does it help the torrent more if I continue downloading so I can seed, or would it be better to just stop torrenting?
[22:36] <arand> switchgirl: That is taken as common sense.
[22:36] <arand> I suppose.
[22:37] <uikxx> " illegel " hahh
[22:37] <kwtm> On the one hand, if I stop now, I've wasted what others have transmitted to me, but they start transmitting to others.
[22:37] <switchgirl> arand: kernlog
[22:37] <kwtm> On the other hand, if I continue, then others will continue transmitting to me when they could be transmitting to others.
[22:37] <switchgirl> at 22.2 GB
[22:38] <Fishscene> p2p is about sharing. If you want to share, then share the DVD. If not, might as well stop downloading.
[22:38] <sp> kwtm: that's true... if you continue, become a seed and stay a seed for a while your help is probably the best
[22:38] <uikxx> thepiratebay is like google all the torrent coms from google ,.,.,. so u now :)
[22:38] <jakenbecky> anyone out there how can help with connecting to an exchange 2007 account using evolution?
[22:38] <arand> kwtm: you can always put the completed DVD in the torrent directory, and share that.
[22:38] <kwtm> sp: True.  Unfortunately it's probably going to take several days to download, and just when I'd start seeding, I will be travelling for several weeks. :(
[22:39] <kwtm> arand: Oh, the lucid dvd image will fit into the directory?  And KTorrent will use that to share?
[22:39] <virtuald> kwtm: after burning the complete iso you could move it to replace the torrented incomplete iso, AFTER closing the bittorrent program
[22:39] <kwtm> Usually KTorrent lets me say, "Okay, stop downloading, just share what you have" but this version doesn't, for some reason.
[22:39] <zombie0> hey guys, after a fresh update of my beta 1 install I am getting blank screen after kernel selection.  I know it has something to do with my vid drivers but I can seem to get in using recovery mode either.
[22:39] <virtuald> sorry i'm slow and redundant
[22:39] <jakenbecky> anyone out there how can help with connecting to an exchange 2007 account using evolution?
[22:40] <zombie0> I tried deleting xorg.conf using a livecd but that didnt seem to help either.  anyone have any other troubleshooting ideas?
[22:40] <kwtm> virtuald: Not redundant at all; good to hear more opinions.  Good idea about replacing the torrent result with the complete ISO.
[22:40] <virtuald> 8]
[22:41] <arand> kwtm: make sure you "rescan" or something like that in the torrent app, so that it verifies the now "completed download"
[22:41] <switchgirl> kernlog syslog ufwlog and messages
[22:41] <switchgirl> thats the 82gb
[22:41] <arand> switchgirl: All of them equally huge?
[22:42] <Zenker> does anyone know how to install the limewire linux package?
[22:42] <switchgirl> yup pretty much though slightly different sizes they aint all 22.2gb some are like 10gb
[22:43] <sp> kwtm: it's your choice really... but nobody will mind if you just stop downloading
[22:43] <User_007> Hello, i have installed the last beta and i want to know how is it so fast after gdm. Does anyone know?
[22:44] <zombie0> anyone have any ideas on getting recovery mode to work?  If I just had video for that I think I could work this out
[22:44] <arand> switchgirl: if you open the log file viewer in the administration menu, and look at them (hopefully won't hang the viewer) If there some specific thing that's repeated over and over again?
 http://www.limewire.com/sv/download/?os=linux
[22:46] <uikxx> just download the dep file and installet
[22:46] <uikxx> deb=
[22:46] <switchgirl> kern.log = 22.2  messages and ufw.log= 22.4
[22:46] <uikxx> :)
[22:47] <switchgirl> arand: this may take time... it looks from the small % i can see so far ufw audit repeated
[22:47] <uikxx> skype isuss .. help """
[22:47] <kwtm> yess!!  I am now the 5th seed for the Kubuntu DVD.  Thanks, people!  I never thought of seeding from the other download.  Hopefully this will get Kubuntu out there faster.
[22:48] <vbabiy> is the default compiz broken for everyone
[22:49] <kwtm> sp: It's not who minds, it's just what's best for the torrent: what strategy will get the data out there?
[22:49] <switchgirl> Apr  4 07:40:32 sara kernel: [125503.624877] [UFW AUDIT] IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=**.**.***.** DST=**.***.**.** LEN=** TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=28856 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=44493 DPT=80 WINDOW=8191 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0
[22:49] <switchgirl> Apr  4 07:40:32 sara- kernel: [125503.628495] [UFW AUDIT] IN=eth0 OUT=
[22:50] <switchgirl> that (with the ip that i starred out) repeated over and over and over again
[22:51] <alex_mayorga> is there a gwibber channel?
[22:51] <elmojo> is the Applications menu not showing anything in Beta2 a know issue?
[22:51] <zombie0> no video love?
[22:52] <jcastro> alex_mayorga: #gwibber on irc.arstechnica.com
[22:52] <arand> switchgirl: Ok, I'd note those messages down, for a future appropriate bug report...
[22:52] <alex_mayorga> jcastro: thanks
[22:52] <tonyyarusso> Does anyone know how to suspend and/or hibernate in Lucid?  I don't seem to have those options in my menu.
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> (gnome)
[22:55] <switchgirl> arand: wadda i do to reclaim the hdd then?
[22:55] <switchgirl> i only have 8gb left
[22:57] <arand> switchgirl: Hang on, gonna test what command to use
[23:01] <zombie0> I could really use some help here guys.  I have no video after grub for regular and recovery boot.  I really dont know what else to do short of a reinstall at this point
[23:03] <phibxr> zombie0: No video?
[23:04] <zombie0> nope.  After I ran update/upgrade a couple of hours ago and rebooted I have nothing after grub.
[23:04] <zombie0> booting into recovery is doing the same thing
[23:05] <zombie0> Im sure it has something to do with the current driver in place but I have no way to reset back to default, or at least I dont know how
[23:07] <arand> switchgirl: Then I'd try running "sudo logototate /etc/logrotate.conf", which will hopefully compress the logs, and if the lines are repeated compression might do wonders, hopefully...
[23:08] <arand> switchgirl: "sudo logototate /etc/logrotate.conf -f" will probably work better.
[23:09] <zombie0> pibxr any ideas?
[23:09] <zombie0> opps I mean phibxr
[23:09] <switchgirl> sara@sara-desktop:~$ logototate /etc/logrotate.conf
[23:09] <switchgirl> logototate: command not found
[23:09] <switchgirl> sara@sara-desktop:~$ logototate
[23:09] <switchgirl> logototate: command not found
[23:09] <switchgirl> sara@sara-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install logototate
[23:09] <switchgirl> Reading package lists... Done
[23:09] <switchgirl> Building dependency tree
[23:09] <switchgirl> Reading state information... Done
[23:09] <switchgirl> E: Couldn't find package logototate
[23:09] <joaopinto> !pastebin | switchgirl
[23:10] <arand> switchgirl: You might have to run that a few times with a short pause between, hopefully that should move the logs into archives
[23:10] <phibxr> zombie0: do you use any restricted drivers like nVidia?
[23:10] <joaopinto> logrotate
[23:10] <jakenbecky> anyone in here know how i can connect to exchange 2007 account using evolution?
[23:10] <arand> switchgirl: sorry ↑ joaopinto is correct, logrotate
[23:11] <zombie0> I dont believe so.  I think I was just using the intel ones since my vid card isnt really supported yet
[23:12] <switchgirl> i removed peercast icecast and apache why still logging?
[23:12] <zombie0> my laptop is running a nvidia g210m hardware card along with an intel internal graphics
[23:13] <Vigo> jakenbecky: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-July/152994.html <<maybe
[23:13] <auk> i upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 yesterday
[23:13] <auk> now the keyboard input works only in one of two user accounts
[23:14] <nss> hello
[23:14] <auk> i can type fully and correctly (several layouts) in my account "test", however in my actual account i get nothing
[23:14] <nss> when i set in simple compiz config cube desktop and then i tried to increse the number of desktops to 4 i got a crash message
[23:15] <Vigo> auk: Did you upgrade/update?
[23:15] <auk> i also cannot get any successful keyboard input in the gdm login screen, or EVEN (it appears) to get to the grub screen before ubuntu has booted
[23:15] <zombie0> phibxr so heres something funny.  If I boot with a vga monitor plugged into the second port on my laptop I can get video on both screens just fine.  Then I can remove the vga and the laptop screen takes over no problem
[23:15] <auk> Vigo: most recently apt-get dist-upgrade was an hour ago
[23:15] <arand> switchgirl: Have you rebooted since removing them, are you sure it was them who were the cause of the messagges to start with?
[23:15] <zombie0> but on boot it crashes by itself
[23:16] <phibxr> zombie0: This really does sound strange. I've had a bit too much wine to respond properly to your issue though, so I hope someone more knowledgeable and sober is able to take over. :)
[23:16] <Vigo> auk: I mean the standard update and upgrade , apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, <that is not the CLI text, but it is close.
[23:16] <zombie0> phibxr no worries, thanks though
[23:17] <nss> i've just sent a report
[23:17] <switchgirl> no to both it was ufw....
[23:18] <auk> Vigo, others: i get an xkb error upon logging in to my main account, but not when logging in to the test account
[23:18] <auk> Vigo: i'll try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade now
[23:18] <auk> and reboot, and come back here?
[23:18] <Vigo> auk: Certainly
[23:19] <arand> switchgirl: ufw, that's "uncomplicated firewall" (the irony of names) right? is that installed?
[23:19] <switchgirl> i think i may remove that
[23:20] <auk> ok doing now... i went to bed last night hoping by the time i got up it would be fixed with an update, but no luck :/
[23:20] <arand> switchgirl: if it is, you might want to step down the logging of it a notch ot two, or remove it , yea.
[23:21] <Vigo> auk: It may be now, I have not looked at any bug reports like that, yet.
[23:21] <arand> switchgirl: hmm, hang on, ufw are normally installed by default, so proably it's not the cure problem..
[23:22] <switchgirl> it says if i remove the ufw t will also remove the sound indicator app
[23:22] <Zenker> what program do i need to use in order to burn a avi as a dvd movie that will play in my dvd player?
[23:22] <auk> Vigo: i thought about filing one but i only just recently discovered the keyboard works in the test account. i could be a rather rare case, it's amd64, i use a whole bunch of keyboard layouts...
[23:24] <auk> ok rebooting, bbiaminute
[23:24] <ZykoticK9> Zenker, check out devede
[23:24] <Fishscene> I have to admit, Lucid looks very nice on a macbook pro
[23:24] <Vigo> auk: Is it a USB device?
[23:25] <switchgirl>   gufw indicator-sound{u} libaudclient2{u} libaudcore1{u} libaudid3tag2{u}   libaudutil1{u} libbinio1ldbl{u} libido-0.1-0{u} libmcs1{u} libmowgli1{u}  libmpdclient2{u} libprojectm-data{u} libprojectm2{u} libsad2{u}  will be removed...
[23:30] <arand> switchgirl: probably a bad idea then... did you install or configure anything in particular apart from icecast peercast and apache?
[23:32] <switchgirl> i dont know
[23:33] <switchgirl> why cant i just sudo rm /var/log
[23:33] <switchgirl> ?
[23:33] <neure> what is plural of axis?
[23:34] <phibxr> neure: axae? no idea. :P
[23:35] <Fishscene> I was thinking axiom :P But it's a bit off topic.
[23:35] <DASPRiD> axises ;P
[23:35] <DASPRiD> (dunno actually)
[23:35] <arand> switchgirl: I tried just installing those, and I can't see the issue, you could rm the logs, yes, but logs might come in handy otherwise... What I would do in that case is to rm only the ones that are humonguous.
[23:35] <arand> neure: oftoppixes.
[23:35] <neure> yeah i ended up asking on wrong channel :)
[23:36] <kklimonda> switchgirl: sure you can but the fact that got so big means that there is something wrong
[23:37] <kklimonda> switchgirl: the safest route would be to do find /var/log -type f -exec rm "{}" \;
[23:37] <arand> switchgirl: but as kklimonda points out, if we don't know what the cause is, they might just grow back..
[23:37] <kklimonda> switchgirl: it's logrotate, not logototate
[23:38] <switchgirl> ok where can i file the bug reports ill uplod the files and then delete them as tommorrow when the power goes off the machene may not boot again
[23:38] <kklimonda> switchgirl: what do you mean?
[23:39] <switchgirl> well if its too big it may not boot i have 2gb or somthing left
[23:40] <kklimonda> well, yes - if you don't have space left on the root device system may not boot
[23:41] <Linuxrevolution> is keyboard layout problem solved?
[23:41] <Vigo> switchgirl: How much space did you allocate on install?
[23:41] <kklimonda> switchgirl: but your question still makes no sense - what files do you want to upload?
[23:41] <switchgirl> yeah so can i upload the log files and then delete them?
[23:41] <kklimonda> switchgirl: please don't, that won't help us
[23:41] <switchgirl> kernlog syslog ufwlog and messages
[23:42] <kklimonda> switchgirl: can you do logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf 2>&1 |pastebinit and upload it?
[23:42] <kklimonda> and paste link*
[23:45] <zombie0> so now I have some sort of video back but no 3d accel
[23:45] <switchgirl> http://pastebin.com/VvhB0Vxr
[23:45] <zombie0> I really wish they would get these new nvidia drivers sorted out, getting sick of troubleshooting this
[23:46] <bjsnider> there's nothing wrong with nvidia-current
[23:46] <zombie0> yea there is
[23:46] <zombie0> for g210m
[23:46] <kklimonda> switchgirl: and your /var/log/ufw.log is how big?
[23:46] <Nalf> What about ati? D: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411783/
[23:47] <jakenbecky> when will they fix the ati drivers man apparent my onboard HD3300is supported accoring to ati but after installing the proprietary drivers and restarting it crashes and starts in low res mode
[23:48] <Fishscene> Apparently, *none* of her logs need rotating.
[23:48] <bjsnider> zombie0, what does glxinfo give you?
[23:48] <auk> it seems the problem was having a gujarati layout among the possible layout-switching options
[23:48] <switchgirl> kklimonda: 20gb
[23:48] <zombie0> glxinfo?
[23:48] <auk> i rebooted, but the symptoms were the same. then i remembered i had a gujarati layout option in my own account, but not in the test account
[23:49] <Vigo> auk: Is fixed?
[23:49] <auk> removed it from my account, and text worked instantly
[23:49] <auk> Vigo: yes, i think so
[23:49] <kklimonda> switchgirl: interesting, it shouldn't really happen
[23:49] <arand> switchgirl: You don't happen to have set guwf loggin to full? (In that case, /var/log grows by 0.1MB per page-browse)
[23:49] <auk> then both user accounts worked for typing, but not the login screen
[23:49] <jakenbecky> anyone know if there is a problem with the ati drivers?
[23:50] <auk> so i clicked apply system-wide on the user layout option settings
[23:50] <Nalf> jakenbecky: There are problems.
[23:50] <zombie0> bjsnider "name of display :0.0"  Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display  Error couldnt find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[23:50] <auk> and then typing works at login too
[23:50] <auk> i guess i'll file a bug report saying gujarati layout breaks xkb
[23:50] <jakenbecky> anyone know how i can get the drivers working so i get 2d support?
[23:50] <rjcroy> I think the release notes say something about an bug with ATI drivers
[23:50] <jakenbecky> 3d*
[23:50] <Vigo> auk: Sweet! Please post the solutions if any, on Forums or Launchpad .
[23:50] <kklimonda> switchgirl: can you run logrotate as a root?
[23:50] <auk> Vigo, thank you
[23:51] <kklimonda> and not as a user...
[23:51] <bjsnider> zombie0, can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:51] <auk> i do have another problem... my user account seemingly has no window manager
[23:51] <auk> though i can move windows around by dragging on the menu-bar space
[23:51] <Vigo> auk: Gnome?
[23:51] <zombie0> bjsnider I dont have one currently
[23:51] <auk> Vigo, yes
[23:51] <auk> is compiz still default wm?
[23:52] <auk> or should i start somehting else...
[23:52] <zombie0> bjsnider I can re-activate the nvidia driver and let it create one
[23:52] <Vigo> auk: Which desktop?
[23:52] <bjsnider> zombie0, then you aren't using nvidia-current. go to jockey and select it
[23:52] <auk> Vigo: gnome
[23:52] <zombie0> bjsnider : Yea I know I am not because I go no video at boot when I select it.  I will try it again though
[23:52] <switchgirl> ok here is a solution i have
[23:53] <switchgirl> i want to remove the log files
[23:53] <Vigo> auk: I meant like Clearbooks, and stuff, the default on mine was sour, I switched to another and it worked fine.
[23:53] <switchgirl> i will move them to my external hdd
[23:53] <auk> Vigo: if i start compiz, it runs
[23:53] <switchgirl> and then remove
[23:53] <kklimonda> switchgirl: but we don't need logs - you can just remove them
[23:53] <switchgirl> how to do that as sudo?
[23:53] <zombie0> bjsnider : it is failing install
[23:53] <zombie0> bjsnider want me to pastebin the error log?
[23:53] <auk> Vigo: the new theme Radiance
[23:53] <kklimonda> switchgirl: there is nothing in logs that will tell us why they are not being cleaned up
[23:54] <bjsnider> zombie0, sure
[23:54] <Vigo> auk: If that is the default, yes, it was way buggy on my box, I simply switched to Human, then Clearbooks, works great.
[23:55] <auk> Vigo: ok i'll try them out successively. did your compiz refuse to start, or have issues after starting?
[23:55] <Vigo> auk: I know that is not a fix, but I am working on that on another box I have here.
[23:55] <zombie0> bjsnider : pastebin.com/Jt2Q6sC6
[23:56] <Vigo> auk: Compiz worked, so did Desklets and other eye candy stuff. so far.
[23:57] <bjsnider> zombie0, pay it no mind. how new is that laptop?
[23:57] <zombie0> bjsnider :  a month old
[23:58] <zombie0> asus ul50vt
[23:59] <zombie0> bjsnider now xorg.conf is listing glx and nvidia
[23:59] <zombie0> but when I goto reboot it will hang up
[23:59] <vinicius> on my desktop install, I can't seem to be able to add my computer to ubuntu one