[01:22] <nigelb> vish, I just got busy in other areas.
[01:23] <crimsun> nigelb: so is 5 May the actual date? I was confused between in being referred to as "Saturday"
[01:23] <nigelb> crimsun, yes... its May 5th, Wednesday
[01:23] <crimsun> also, I'm traveling internationally, so I have no idea what my schedule is like
[01:24] <crimsun> about the only time I know definitively is the following week
[01:24] <nigelb> aah, you can check out on the last few days if you can pitch in for an hour or so
[01:25] <nigelb> crimsun, if real life is getting in the way, no problem, I'll be asking lots of people :)
[01:27] <crimsun> also, I have a milestoned bug assigned to me that I can't easily debug due to lack of time, lack of hardware, and lack of in-depth knowledge of ARMv7 asm
[01:32] <nigelb> oooh.
[02:48] <Joeseph64> Metacity crashes periodically on my hardware in Lucid Beta 2. However, it gives no error message, so what information should I add for reproducibility?
[02:51] <dboy> 10.04B2...libjpeg62 found in respository, libjpeg NOT found...is this a bug?
[02:55] <micahg> dboy: does a package require libjpeg?
[02:58] <dboy> yes. I think this may have something to do with Deb move to libjpeg7 from libjpeg62
[02:59] <micahg> dboy: which package?
[02:59] <dboy> Deb lists say dont build pkgs with libjpeg62 anymore...but thats the one still in lucid
[02:59] <micahg> dboy: we don't have libjpeg7 yet in ubuntu
[03:00] <dboy> well for instance konqueror (koq-plugins I think)
[03:01] <micahg> dboy: not the version in lucid
[03:02] <dboy> yea ok thats prolly it thx
[03:02] <micahg> dboy: transition, I would guess, would be in lucid + 1
[03:45] <damascene> any one knows how to add a page to ubuntu wiki?
[03:45] <damascene> yoasif,
[03:47] <yoasif> ?
[03:51] <damascene> yoasif, pm?
[03:51] <yoasif> ok
[03:54] <mrburns> damascene: i think you just type in the address for the new page that you want to create then you can use select from a template or empty page
[03:54] <damascene> mrburns, couldn't do it. does not seem to have the choice
[03:56] <damascene> I just wanted to open a page with the name mlterm
[03:57] <damascene> so I can add some information on a project to implement it with the RTL languages
[03:57] <damascene> mrburns, could you start a page with the name Mlterm for me?
[03:57] <micahg> damascene: just navigate to it after logging in
[03:57] <mrburns> here i will walk you through it
[03:58] <mrburns> enter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mlterm
[03:59] <mrburns> then you can create a page from scratch by clicking on that link or select a link from one of the formatted pages from the list in the left column
[03:59] <damascene> thanks
[04:00] <mrburns> no problem
[04:00] <damascene> what template should I chose for a program?
[04:01] <damascene> I want to put information about mlterm and the possibility to have it installed for RTL languages
[04:02] <mrburns> rtl team has a page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RTLTeam you could use their template
[04:03] <damascene> got it. but there should be a page to discuss mlterm
[04:07] <mrburns> yes you can create your page (mlterm) and create a link to each others page
[04:08] <Linux000> First bug fix - Would a DEP-3 header go in the debdiff as plain-text, no marks or anything?
[04:09] <micahg> Linux000: it goes in as part of the patch
[04:13] <Linux000> Thanks
[04:14] <damascene>  is it possible to upload photo to the wikipage?
[04:17] <mrburns> damascene: i think so...click attachments toward the top of the page you are creating then file to upload see what that does
[04:20] <mrburns> damascene: then once that is uploaded enter code in the wiki page something to the effect [[Image:filename.jpg|thumb|alt=alt text for screen readers.]] depending on what you want
[04:21] <mrburns> damascene: this should give you a start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_tutorial
[04:21] <damascene> thanks
[04:23] <mrburns> no problem...it just takes some getting use to
[04:23] <biff2kplus1> So I just joined the bugsquad and I had a question about triaging a bug that is fixed in a newer version...
[04:24] <micahg> biff2kplus1: what's the question?
[04:25] <biff2kplus1> A bug exists in the latest version of OpenOffice for 9.10 but testing it with the OO ppa or 10.04's OO the bug is fixed
[04:25] <biff2kplus1> would one mark it Confirmed or Invalid?
[04:27] <micahg> biff2kplus1: did you confirm the bug in 9.10?
[04:27] <biff2kplus1> yes
[04:28] <micahg> biff2kplus1: well, then, if it's fixed in Lucid, then probably Fix Released
[04:28] <micahg> biff2kplus1: it's preferable if you have an upstream bug that's shown as fixed when marking it fix released, though
[04:29] <biff2kplus1> ok i didnt find a duplicate but i'll do some more checking around
[04:30] <micahg> biff2kplus1: well, you could check the changelog upstream for 3.2 to see if it was listed
[04:30] <biff2kplus1> ah good idea
[04:36] <drclue> Howdy all, trying to curry a little interest in Bug 518608 that I filed back in February. At one point the drive caddy in question actually worked, then after some upgrades it did not. I figure this had something to do with a special devices entry to correct an errant device reporting type SCSI when it was actually IDE.
[04:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 518608 in linux (Ubuntu) "unable to mount ID 04ce:0002 ScanLogic Corp. SL11R-IDE IDE Bridge (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518608
[04:47] <drclue> I did not know that bringing up an actual bug report in a channel about bugs was such a conversation killer ;)
[05:03] <drclue> All right friends romans and countrymen , I have an old piece of gear , an IDE drive caddy (as described in bug 518608)
[05:03] <drclue> This caddy apparently returns a bogus inquiry value indicating a SCSI device.  At one time this device was supported I expect
[05:03] <drclue> that there was some sort of special device entry that remapped it back to ID (just a guess) and somewhere along the line this entry got retired or superseded. I could I guess hack my OS , but in my school bus out here in the middle of nowhere I have a dozen computer bricks and a few mid towers  and it would be a real time burner to make the hack and keep the hack
[05:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 518608 in linux (Ubuntu) "unable to mount ID 04ce:0002 ScanLogic Corp. SL11R-IDE IDE Bridge (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518608
[05:06] <drclue> The bug report has been there for a couple of months with no interest and I just want to give the bug a nudge as the cure is already in the code pile somewhere and I think just needs to be pushed back into the distro update stream
[05:09] <drclue> This is on of those bugs that should require absolutely NO NEW CODING , but rather simply some copy-n-paste somewhere
[05:11] <zeroseven0183> I have a question. I've come up on a bug report that suggests a correct Russian translation for Pidgin. This should be handled upstream, right? Or do we have a translation team for this package? Thank you
[05:11] <zeroseven0183> The bug report is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/377233
[05:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 377233 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "Russian language characters not displayed correctly (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[05:11] <drclue> The special devices cure for (bug 518608) had existed for a long time, and either simply got dropped or a subsequent version of the device caused the entry to be superseded
[05:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 518608 in linux (Ubuntu) "unable to mount ID 04ce:0002 ScanLogic Corp. SL11R-IDE IDE Bridge (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518608
[05:12] <micahg> zeroseven0183: add the ubuntu-translations project
[05:13] <zeroseven0183> Thank you!
[05:14] <drclue> I'm more than happy to trade coding , as while I have been coding for over 30 years those areas I work in do not focus on this area and although I could code it myself it would not be the best application of my skills
[05:14] <micahg> drclue: you're more likely to get an answer for this in #ubuntu-kernel , might not get a response for another 6 hours though
[05:15] <micahg> drclue: or at least until the start of european business hours
[05:16] <drclue> [micahg] Thanks for the suggestion, I'll make some noise over there too. I'm not looking for a fast food drive through cure. Being one who donates thousands of hours each year , I know better than to wish for instant gratification
[05:32] <damascene> it this good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mlterm
[05:36] <damascene> :)
[05:36] <damascene> * is it
[06:55] <zeroseven0183> Is there a feature in Launchpad or an application that summarizes the bug reports you're subscribed to or have been triaging so you can easily monitor them?
[06:56] <zeroseven0183> Something like a program that will list all the bug reports you're involved, those that were updated within 4 weeks, those that does not have replies for some time other than manually going to Launchpad and checking the bug reports...?
[06:59] <zeroseven0183> Anyway... just a thought. Perhaps suscribing to the bug report is the best way to monitor the bug report as of now.
[06:59] <micahg> zeroseven0183: yes, subscribing is goof
[07:00] <micahg> *good
[07:00] <micahg> :-/
[07:01] <zeroseven0183> The only concern I have when subscribing is that replies will fill up my inbox. Although it's not a big problem when you're using Gmail
[07:02] <micahg> zeroseven0183: filters :)
[07:02] <zeroseven0183> Yup. I was just thinking of summarizing the bug reports.
[07:02] <micahg> zeroseven0183: set your gmail contact on LP to youraddy+lp@gmail
[07:02] <micahg> zeroseven0183: that's the easy filter
[07:02] <zeroseven0183> I mean, a summary or a list which includes last modified
[07:02] <micahg> zeroseven0183: you can also filter on header
[07:03] <zeroseven0183> Yes. I already applied filters to bugs and it's fun
[07:03] <zeroseven0183> Gmail is really a big help to bug triagers :-)
[07:03] <micahg> zeroseven0183: thunderbird works fine :)
[07:04] <zeroseven0183> I might try it some time
[07:04] <zeroseven0183> I just have to improve my triaging skills for now
[07:06] <zeroseven0183> By the way, Ubuntu Countdown timer is now available. http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown 20 days to go!
[07:30] <anoteng> Can a bug controller please set Bug #554695 to triaged for me? I'm suggesting medium importance.
[07:30] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 554695 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[ubuntu lucid] both suspend and hibernate fail on netbook (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554695
[08:34] <anoteng> Could a bug controller please set status on bug #554627 to triaged, I'm in doubt about importance but I'm suggesting high: "Makes a default Ubuntu installation generally unusable for some users"
[08:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 554627 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot freeze on "Starting up ..." with generic kernel (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554627
[09:10] <BUGabundo> m0rning
[09:53] <xteejx> bug 559054 noticed this just now, could be an upgrade issue with beta 2!!!
[09:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 559054 in ubuntu "compiz-gnome needs to be removed during partial upgrade (affects: 1)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559054
[09:56] <xteejx> bug 559054 anyone?
[09:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 559054 in ubuntu "compiz-gnome needs to be removed during partial upgrade (affects: 1)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559054
[11:50] <anoteng> Could a bug controller please set status on bug #554627 to triaged, I'm in doubt about importance but I'm suggesting high: "Makes a default Ubuntu installation generally unusable for some users"
[11:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 554627 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot freeze on "Starting up ..." with generic kernel (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554627
[12:40] <jj1983> my Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC worked fine with ubuntu 9.10 but did not show up with live cd of beta 1 10.04
[12:41] <jj1983> please do rectify this bug
[12:41] <jj1983> to the concerned
[12:42] <yofel> !bug | jj1983
[12:42] <ubot4`> jj1983: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[12:45] <jj1983> ubot4`:actaully am running irc from windows so not able to report the bug as per launchpad though i have logged in
[12:45] <ubot4`> jj1983: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:54] <yofel> jj1983: the page explains too how to report a bug from launchpad directly, but can't you use a wired connection in ubuntu? or save the report and report it from 9.10? we'll need some information from the live disk to find the issue
[12:54] <baptistemm> it's strange that RTL8139 doesn't work, this is one of the most common NIC i see out there
[12:55] <yofel> jibel: also, you said beta1 disk, can you please try it with the beta2 disk?
[12:58] <yofel> jj1983: ^
[12:58] <yofel> jj1983: sry
[12:59] <yofel> jibel: sry
[13:21] <thekorn> hey bugsquad,
[13:21] <thekorn> if someone feels like doing a quick bugpattern review, feel free to look at
[13:21] <thekorn> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/apport/ubuntu-bugpattern/+merge/23091
[13:21] <thekorn> thanks ;)
[13:44] <softwayer> Hey guys! When I try to install Ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 (Desktop), I boot from the CD, see the new Ubuntu logo... And that's all! My monitor says me "No signal". Is this bug reported yet?
[16:00] <vish> kamusin: no need to apologize ;)
[16:50] <kamusin> vish, :)
[18:46] <thekorn> bdmurray, hggdh, hi, can one of you  please do a quick review of
[18:46] <thekorn> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/apport/ubuntu-bugpattern/+merge/23091
[18:47] <thekorn> I think it is working correctly
[18:51] <bdmurray> well then
[18:51] <bdmurray> thekorn: I don't think escaping the - in the Title is necessary
[18:53] <bdmurray> thekorn: otherwise looks great
[18:53] <thekorn> bdmurray, ok, will check on this again, thanks for the review
[18:54] <bdmurray> thekorn: I tested it without the \- and it worked fine
[18:54] <thekorn> ok, will change it, as it is more readable without it
[19:05] <thekorn> ok, changed and pushed
[19:06] <bdmurray> thekorn: how did you set the commit message in the mp?
[19:07] <thekorn> bdmurray, when creating a merge proposal in the web UI expand "Extra Options",
[19:07] <thekorn> there is an optional commit message test-field
[19:07] <thekorn> s/test/text
[19:08] <bdmurray> okay so it wasn't part of a bzr command then?
[19:08] <thekorn> no
[19:08] <xteejx> bug 559447 - more dependency problems in today's updates, have notified motu, but don't think they deal with it...it hasn't been reported yet
[19:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 559447 in samba (Ubuntu) "[lucid] samba is to be removed during update (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559447
[19:09] <xteejx> btw Hi all!!
[19:09] <thekorn> hey xteejx
[19:10] <xteejx> hey thekorn
[19:10] <xteejx> btw ignore the above it isn't built completely yet...didn't realise ;)
[19:24] <jcastro> duanedesign: ping
[19:25] <duanedesign> hello jcastro
[19:25] <jcastro> your mail got stuck in the queue but I approved it
[19:25] <jcastro> can you just mail me your application directly and I'll process it now
[19:25] <duanedesign> jcastro: wow. that is great news
[19:26] <jcastro> duanedesign: well I haven't read it yet. :D
[19:26] <jcastro> but I'm sure it will be impressive!
[19:26] <duanedesign> jcastro: ha ha. i see you approved the email in the queue
[19:26] <jcastro> right
[19:27] <duanedesign> jcastro: well that is still  good news ;)
[19:27] <jcastro> can you send it to me to jorge@ubuntu.com real quick?
[19:28] <duanedesign> yes sir
[19:32] <jcastro> duanedesign: done, thanks! Your work on ubuntu one has been impressive!
[19:32] <minutti> i want to learn how to use JTR
[19:33] <minutti> quit
[19:34] <Mic-R> I've got a question concerning bug #1, ie "Microsoft has a majority market share": why was it chosen?
[19:34] <duanedesign> jcastro: i love the project. it utilizes a lot of the techologies I am interested in. Plus the devs are really nice and helpful
[19:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 16 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 256) (heat: 1688)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:34] <Mic-R> Wouldn't something like "Best Apple in usuability" be more target-aimed? Just having marketshare doesn't necessarily mean that you're good at something
[19:34] <kklimonda> Mic-R: but it is also a goal
[19:41] <bcurtiswx_laptop> anyone here know the program that calibrates touchscreens?
[19:44] <vish> duanedesign: you also need to mention what importance you would assign to the bugs you listed
[19:45] <vish> duanedesign: in the mail application for BC ^   ,
[19:47] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: GNOME Color Manager
[19:48] <vish> i havent used it though..
[19:50] <duanedesign> vish: ahh, ok
[19:50] <baptistemm> persia, around?
[19:52] <persia> Hey baptistemm
[19:52] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: i don't see a touchscreen calibration tool there
[19:53] <baptistemm> persia, I have a question about rfcomm, pand and dund, why there is not init.d script provided in the bluez package?
[19:54] <baptistemm> how people are supposed to have these daemon started?
[19:55] <persia> baptistemm: My personal opinion is that the right way to handle those is to add udev hooks, so that the services start when the hardware is detected.
[19:56] <baptistemm> but currently there is nothing :)
[19:57] <yofel> baptistemm: which release are you talking about?
[19:57] <baptistemm> but yes I could add an event for those (actually I was looking to bug 416056)
[19:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 416056 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Automatic rfcomm binding at startup doesn't work in Karmic (affects: 17) (dups: 1) (heat: 102)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416056
[19:58] <yofel> I was looking at the package descriptions, and it seems that both pand and dund are deprecated in bluez 4
[19:58] <persia> baptistemm: Yeah.  I think we had an init.d script in jaunty, and that got lots of bugs about pan0 being defined when the hardware had no bluetooth support.
[19:58] <yofel> I have rfcommd running here though (Kubuntu)
[19:59] <baptistemm> yes there are but actually there is not even init.d scripts for then, which is a real bug IMHO
[19:59] <yofel> well, if you add one it should be a upstart script anyway
[20:00] <baptistemm> persia, which upstart we could perhaps do something
[20:00] <baptistemm> yes
[20:00] <baptistemm> s/which/with/
[20:00] <baptistemm> yofel, I wonder how rfcommd was started
[20:00] <baptistemm> hmm, actually bluez provides rfcomm and not rfcommd
[20:01] <persia> baptistemm: No, really, I think it should be udev scripts, not upstart or init.  Essentially, we only want to start the services when the hardware is present.
[20:01] <yofel> ah, correction, I have krfcommd running
[20:03] <baptistemm> persia, as bluetoothd starts only on udev, we could rely on it to start the other deamon (actually i don't know a lot about udev rules)
[20:04] <persia> baptistemm: That makes sense to me: just use the same mechanism.
[20:05] <persia> yofel: Do you have bluetooth or IR hardware available for krfcommd?
[20:07] <yofel> if you mean if I have a bluetooth chip here yes: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0b05:b700 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. Broadcom Bluetooth 2.1
[20:07] <Ciemon> ls
[20:08] <persia> OK.  Then you *should* have a daemon running :)  Just wanted to make sure kbluetooth didn't have the same issue gnome-bluetooth had in jaunty.
[20:08] <xteejx> Ciemon: / directory listing:
[20:08] <xteejx> /   root
[20:08] <xteejx> /junk  no virus
[20:08] <xteejx> /virus  still no virus
[20:08] <xteejx> lol ;)
[20:08] <yofel> ^^
[20:09] <Ciemon> xteejx: thanks.. a reply to a gaff that I've not seen before :D
[20:09] <Ciemon> sorry about that
[20:09] <xteejx> lol its cool I've done it plenty of times :)
[20:15] <Damascene> +
[20:30] <duanedesign> vish: jcastro i resent the email with the Importance I would set for the bugs that had 'Undecided'
[20:31] <xteejx> Has anyone noticed how empathy doesn't make any sounds even when it is set to? Is this a know issue with empathy and pulseaudio or something?
[20:33] <yofel> oh, I know that one, I tried that once too after someone in +1 complained about that, didn't manage to get it to work
[20:36] <xteejx> yofel: It's annoying, keep missing messages lol
[20:36] <xteejx> people begin to think I'm ignorant
[20:56] <baptistemm> persia, actually bluetooth deamon use again an init script...
[21:00] <persia> baptistemm: I think that's a bug :)
[21:01] <baptistemm> persia, grep 'start)' -A5 /etc/init.d/bluetooth
[21:06] <persia> baptistemm: Looking at the init script, it seems to only exist to work around a udev issue, and just triggers the udev event.
[21:10] <baptistemm> perhaps "start on (startup and filesystem and started udev and stopped udevtrigger and stoppedudevmonitor and started dbus)" could do the trick
[21:13] <baptistemm> persia, release 4.45-0ubuntu1 has the explanation
[21:13] <baptistemm> so we can now use use udev rules
[21:16] <persia> Right.
[21:17] <baptistemm> but I guess I waked up too late :)
[21:17] <baptistemm> it's over for lucid
[21:19] <xteejx> Is the PS3 and ppc64 not supported anymore?
[22:30] <xteejx> How do I grab source for a different Ubuntu version than what I have?
[22:33] <yofel> xteejx: pull-lp-source <pkg> <release> I think. That will get you the latest source for that release
[22:33] <crimsun> clarification: that will retrieve the latest *accepted* source package
[22:33] <yofel> ah
[22:33] <xteejx> thats cool thanks
[22:34] <crimsun> you should generally make sure that debcheckout works, as it honors the Vcs-Bzr line in debian/control
[22:34] <crimsun> (and file a bug against the Lucid version if it doesn't!)