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persialifeless: That helped some.  DragAcceptFiles had no matches.  Drag and SDL_ACTIVEEVENTS have 85 common matches.  Thanks.00:08
lifelessde nada00:09
wgranthttp://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20100407-lucid.html is now updating hourly from the in-progress archive rebuild.03:33
wgrantNow http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/test-rebuild-20100407/.03:40
micahgwgrant: I'm curious, were the rebuilds on udd not sufficient?03:42
wgrantmicahg: An LP rebuild was started yesterday.03:47
wgrantlucas' don't cover them.03:48
wgrant(I don't know why it was started; I just organised the report)03:50
micahgwgrant: ok03:56
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* ScottK thinks it's because there's a item in the Beta release checklist to do it.04:16
wgrantMaybe London's a bit cold and needs a buildfarm of heaters.04:16
lifelessvery cold - gulf stream moved, no ?04:22
fabrice_spLinux000: got 5 minutes?05:02
Linux000Sure05:07
Linux000fabrice_sp: Sure05:07
fabrice_spcool :-)05:07
fabrice_spLinux000: it's about the DEP-3 header: it has to go into the patch you created, not as the header of the debdiff05:08
Linux000Ahh, then I've probably been uploading patches wrong too, the patch is the debdiff, right?05:09
fabrice_spoh: I've just seen that you didn't do a patch with your change, but a direct source change. As the package uses quilt, you need to create a patch for that05:10
fabrice_spthe debdiff is a kind of patch, yes :-) I was speaking about the change in glock.py05:10
Linux000Okay, so how would I make the patch for this?05:11
fabrice_spdo you know how to use quilt?05:11
Linux000not really05:12
fabrice_spok. You first need to add a patch to the list pf patches managed by quilt. This is done by running 'quilt new <patch-name>'05:14
fabrice_spas patch-name, check in debian/patches what are the name that are used05:14
fabrice_spand use something similar05:14
alkisgHi all. I'm the developer of a project with various files; shell scripts, images, desktop files etc, and it also has some python modules & executables. Could someone propose to me a similar package that I could use as a template to package mine?05:15
fabrice_spLinux000: for example fix_glock_error.diff05:16
Linux000fabrice_sp: Thanks, trying to be short is not a strong point05:17
fabrice_spLinux000: what do you mean?05:17
fabrice_spalkisg: I don't have any in mind right now05:18
alkisgThank you. Someone else?05:18
Linux000the name I was going for was to long for comfort05:18
fabrice_spLinux000: ok :-) The name doesn't need to be long, as you will have a header in the patch that will explain it05:19
Linux000okay05:20
fabrice_spalkisg: aubio ?05:22
alkisgfabrice_sp: no, no audio05:22
alkisgaah, aubio? heh05:23
alkisgOK, looking...05:23
alkisg(basically what I'm looking for is a simple, nice packaged package that also has some python modules included - I can mostly do the rest of the stuff...)05:24
Linux000pychess has python modules, if you need an example of that05:25
ScottKalkisg: If it's just the python stuff, pypolicyd-spf.05:25
ScottKAlthough if I were doing it now, I'd use debhelper 7 and not CDBS.05:25
* alkisg is using debhelper 6 atm...05:26
ScottKThen pypolicyd-spf is not a bad basis for Python stuff.05:27
alkisgThank you all, /me looks...05:27
ScottKYou could also look at pyspf for an example of multiple binary packages.05:27
alkisgHmm yeah, that would be useful as well, I do need 2 binary packages.05:28
Linux000fabrice_sp: I have the new patch in quilt and my source, do I add the file(glock.py) to the patch, then patch it, or vice-versa05:29
fabrice_spyes: you first need a clean glock.py file, and then, you can add you file, patch it again, and use quit refresh to add the modifications to the patch05:32
Linux000great05:32
fabrice_spwhen done, you just have to add at the beginning of the patch, the header you want05:34
fabrice_spLinux000: by the way, origin should point to the svn commit entry with05:37
fabrice_sps/with//05:37
Linux000should this patch also have the changelog updated?05:37
fabrice_spyou should name the patch in the changelog, like 'fix_glock_error.diff: fix .... (LP: #534761)'05:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534761 in pychess "pychess in Lucid doesn't start" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53476105:40
fabrice_spwith the LP: stuff, the bug report will be fixed as soon as the fix will be uploaded and accepted into the archive05:40
fabrice_spmakr as fixed, I mean05:40
Linux000fabrice_sp: Where can I find the svn, and with what?05:41
fabrice_spLinux000: http://code.google.com/p/pychess/source/browse/05:42
fabrice_spand browsing by source, you will find the commit that makes this change. Let me check05:42
fabrice_spLinux000: seems to be this one: http://code.google.com/p/pychess/source/detail?r=165305:46
Linux000Okay, I see now, that goes in as origin, also, how do I get the file from quilt? I can't seem to find it.05:47
fabrice_spyou don't have it created in debian/patches ?05:49
Linux000from the root of the source tree, I ran '05:49
Linux000'05:49
Linux000sorry05:49
Linux000i ran quilt new glock_error_fix.diff05:49
fabrice_spthen you ran "quilt add lib/pychess/System/glock.py" ?05:50
Linux000yes05:50
fabrice_spmade modifications to the file and ran quilt refresh ?05:51
Linux000yes05:51
fabrice_spso it should be in debian/patches05:51
fabrice_sphmm, what is the value of QUILT_PATCHES variable?05:51
fabrice_spby default, patches goes into patches and not debian/patches, IIRC05:52
Linux000How would I find that?05:52
Linux000NVM, I found it, it was under patches, not debian/patches05:52
fabrice_spok: that's why you need to set QUILT_PATCHES to debian/patches next time05:53
Linux000understood05:53
fabrice_spso you need to move the patch to debian/patches05:53
fabrice_spand update the series file05:53
Linux000Ok05:54
fabrice_spand delete the roo patches directory, to avoid having it in the debdiff twice05:54
Linux000so, that patch file gets the headers and is uploaded to lauchpad?05:55
fabrice_spyou can upload the patch to launchpad, or generate a debdiff between your package and the actual one and uplaod it to launchpad. The latter is prefered from a sponsor point of view as it's less work :-)05:57
Linux000debdiff the compiled package, right?05:57
fabrice_spthe source package05:59
Linux000Good, my computer just got wiped (some mountall error in lucid) so I have no cdbs, devscripts, or anything05:59
fabrice_spwhat sponsors do is download the actual source, review and apply the debdiff, and if ok, upload the resulting source package05:59
Linux000ok, I thought the built packages were uploaded to the repository06:00
fabrice_spLinux000: I have a dual boot for that reason :-) (and looking after kvm right now)06:00
Linux000I had windows, so I lucked out and got ubuntu back, I needed a reminder as to why I use ubuntu:)06:01
fabrice_sp:-)06:02
fabrice_spno windows at all here: only live-usb's to recover things :-)06:02
fabrice_sp(and dual boot now!)06:02
fabrice_spwith karmic06:02
Linux000Well, I wish I could get rid of windows, but I also program some WAGO PLC's and they need windows to program, and oddly enough, my debian touchscreen wants a windows IDE06:04
Linux000How would I get the debdiff of the source?06:05
fabrice_spyou have to generate a dsc file first with debuild -S06:06
Linux000ahh, okay06:06
fabrice_spand then debdiff the 2 dsc files06:06
Linux000I don't have to sign it, right?06:06
fabrice_spno06:06
Linux000this will have to wait until tomorrow, to late for me, it should be up around 4~5 CST06:09
fabrice_spnp: I have to go to work now :-)06:09
micahgsiretart: will you be looking into the vlc build failure, bjsnider gave me a patch earlier which I was going to try over the weekend to port it to xul19207:06
siretartmicahg: I just noticed the build failure, but am currently very short on time07:09
siretartmicahg: if you could just fix it, that would be really great!07:09
micahgsiretart: ok, so I'll take it then07:09
siretartthanks07:09
micahgsiretart: critical?07:15
dholbachgood morning07:16
siretartmicahg: without having it fixed, we cannot do any updates, including security and other important updates. I consider that pretty critical07:18
micahgsiretart: it's a universe package...that's the same for any other FTBFS07:19
siretartmicahg: oh, are severities now distro global (again)? did I miss something? - anyways, feel free to downgrade07:19
micahgsiretart: maybe I'm missing something idk07:20
siretartI wanted this bug to appear at the top of the vlc bugs07:20
micahgsiretart: does MOTU have different severity settings as opposed to triagers (like status)?07:21
siretartmicahg: I hope not07:21
micahgsiretart: it would seem then it's not severe until we need an update...I'm going to throw up a test build tonight07:22
xteejxbug 559054, can someone take a look at this please, think there's dependency problems with the new metacity package09:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 559054 in ubuntu "compiz-gnome needs to be removed during partial upgrade" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55905409:53
xteejxmay affect upgrading users to beta 209:55
joaopintoxteejx, I believe that is a known issue already being looked at09:57
xteejxahh ok joaopinto, didn't see a duplicate in LP thought it wasn't made aware09:57
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pmceneryHi motu's. I filed this one this morning in the hope that it is seen as important enough to be included. bug #55894611:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 558946 in ubuntu "FFe: Sync ipheth 1.0-1 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55894611:56
pmceneryAfter a long slog... I have finally managed to get the package sponsored.11:56
hyperairdoesn't look sponsored to me.11:57
pmceneryDo we have any MOTU's with iPhones to be able to test it?11:57
pmcenerySorry... Debian sponsored.11:57
hyperairaah i see.11:58
pmceneryYou dont need a sponsor for a sync from what I can tell. Or do you?11:59
hyperairyou do.11:59
hyperairbut first you need the FFe acked.11:59
hyperairgo poke some #ubuntu-release people =)11:59
pmceneryI guess it would need someone with an iPhone to test. Do we have MOTU's with such evil devices?11:59
* hyperair shrugs12:00
pmceneryhyperair: thanks. Will give it a try12:00
hyperairi've got friends with them, and i wouldn't be opposed to getting one myself, if i didn't already have a good, working phone already.12:00
pmceneryhyperair: understood. I'm not religious about them as some people are. I have one, it works, and ipheth works quite well, so I thought I'd package it up properly.12:04
pmceneryA google of popcon and ipheth shows that my PPA package has been quite popular12:05
hyperairpmcenery: i'd imagine so.12:07
hyperairpmcenery: and i saw your RFS on debian-mentors sometime back. congrats on getting it into debian =)12:07
hyperairi know how hard it is, first hand.12:07
pmceneryhyperair: lol. Yes. It seems that once you have worked with a couple of DD's, it gets easier. They come to trust your work...12:08
hyperairpmcenery: yes, of course. it's the same everywhere12:09
hyperairpmcenery: also, it's easier to get things that have a team with DDs watching over the set of packages12:09
hyperaire.g. CLI packages are easy to get in as we've got two DDs in the team12:09
hyperairpython packages are also fairly easy to get in12:09
pmceneryhyperair: Yes. I ended up joining the debian-perl team during the process of getting slimrat sponsored. Although in the end I had a non perl DD sponsor me. The perl team were not too interested in sponsoring apps, only modules.12:13
hyperairheh i see.12:16
pmceneryI'll hang around here a while... hopefully someone will be brave!12:16
hyperairi would if i had an iphone =\12:16
hyperairfeel like donating one to me? ;-)12:16
pmcenerylol. I've only got one. And I think the wife will be getting it when I get the next one...12:18
pmceneryWell, next phone! Not guarantee it will be an iPhone12:19
hyperairheheh12:19
Aquinacan someone lend me an ear? It's because I started to use Bazaar with Launchpad.12:31
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joaopintoanyone experienced with reprepro ?13:15
Rhondajoaopinto: Just ask your question - that will get you a better propability of helpful answers. :)13:21
joaopintoexcept that I maybe talking to the wind ;)13:21
joaopintothe reprepro man page is not very clear13:21
RhondaYou may that even if someone claims to be experienced with $foo.13:21
joaopintois copysrc expected to copy also the source package ?13:21
RhondaActually it doesn't "copy" anything, the package stays in the pool at the same place. It just "copies" the medatdata in its database and the Sources file.13:22
joaopintoright, I am refering to the meta data13:23
joaopintois it expected to copy the source metatada to the target release Sources file ?13:24
RhondaI would very much think so that that's its job, yes.13:24
RhondaThough an reprepro export run afterwards never can hurt.13:24
joaopintono, according to the man page its job is to copy packages whose source (Source:?) match the specified name13:25
joaopintoit does so for binary packages produce from a given source, but is not clear if it does or should do the same for the source package13:25
joaopintoproduced13:25
RhondaIt doesn't "every package be it dsc, deb or udeb"13:26
RhondaThe dsc part is pretty clear source package. :)13:27
Rhondas/It doesn't //13:27
joaopintook :P13:28
mhall119jdstrand: are you around?14:01
jdstrandmhall119: yes14:02
mhall119jdstrand: is there anything you need to get a FFe for the other 2 qimo packages?14:02
mhall119qimo-games isn't terribly useful on it's own14:02
jdstrandmhall119: they all need an FFe. I think it would be fine to have them all in one bug14:03
mhall119okay, there are currently 3 needs-packaging bugs for the 3 packages14:03
jdstrandmhall119: since they are small and dependent on each other, aiui14:03
mhall119do I need to make an additional FFe bug?14:03
jdstrandmhall119: oh, if there are already 3 bugs open, then you probably should do the one more for qimo-games14:04
jdstrandmhall119: since they are already separated. do mention how they relate to each other though14:04
mhall119qimo-games has already been accepted, the other two have not14:04
jdstrandI think I am confused14:05
mhall119ok, I'll add comments to the other 214:05
jdstrandthere are 3 total14:05
mhall119yes14:05
jdstrand1 accepted, two not?14:05
mhall119qimo-games was accepted14:05
mhall119yes14:05
mhall119qimo-wallpaper and qimo-session have not14:05
jdstrandI see, then wither wait for review of the other two, are ask someone in ubuntu-release to look at them (I am not a member of ubuntu-release)14:05
mhall119qimo-games was accepted a couple months ago, you rejected the other two because I needed to expand on the copyrights14:06
jdstrands/are/or/14:06
mhall119so I don't think qimo-games needed an FFe14:06
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mhall119is there a channel for ubuntu-release?14:06
jdstrandI think qimo-games maybe didn't get uploaded? I don't remember looking at it specifically, but I might not remember correctly14:07
jdstrandmhall119: #ubuntu-release14:07
mhall119they were all uploaded14:07
mhall119qimo-games is in the repo already14:08
mhall119the other two have been uploaded, but not accepted14:08
Ciemonafternoon all, having just put my first debdiff on a bug using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix I wonder if there's a similar guide that explains using bzr and launchpad? I can't seem to find one.14:18
nigelbCiemon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation14:28
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: ping14:31
evilshadeslayer_whom should i talk to in order to adopt rekonq ?14:32
evilshadeslayer_ill be in and out.. so can someone please point me to the right people? ( ive already read the wiki links )14:33
dholbachevilshadeslayer_: pong14:33
dholbachI'm not sure I'm the best person to talk about rekonq14:33
Laneythere is too much cdbs magic in pandoc14:33
* Laney goes cross-eyed figuring it out14:33
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: ok so who then? :)14:33
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: i already do the docs for them... so i can easily adopt this package...14:34
evilshadeslayer_( thats my opinion )14:34
Ciemonnigelb: thanks14:34
nigelbnp :)14:35
evilshadeslayer_Tonio__: i see that your the last person to update the package :)14:35
dholbachevilshadeslayer_: can you try to explain what you want to do? :)14:35
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: i want to adopt a upstream ( rekonq )14:35
dholbachahhhhh nice14:36
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: ive been meaning to do this since some time14:36
dholbachevilshadeslayer_: a good first step might be to have a look at the changelog of the package and get in touch with the people who worked on the package before, so you get to know ubuntu and debian maintainers which is a good start14:36
dholbachevilshadeslayer_: also check out the web page I mentioned - it should give you a few good practical tips14:36
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: lol... i work with the rekonq devs on a daily basis... i practically know all the dev work they do.. also i build rekonq everyday :P14:37
dholbachawesome14:37
dholbach:-D14:37
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: ok but how do i officially adopt it? like do i subscribe a ML or something?14:38
dholbachit's a good idea to track the bug reports - you can subscribe to the package14:38
dholbachalso have a chat with the people in #ubuntu-bugs14:38
evilshadeslayer_dholbach: ive subscribed to the meta kubuntu bugs list14:38
dholbachwow14:39
evilshadeslayer_hehe.. yeah i just deleted about 13MB's worth of bug mail :P14:39
evilshadeslayer_from my mail box that is :)14:40
evilshadeslayer_i guess i should just wait for Tonio__ ...14:40
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ScottKmaco: You ought to have a look at Debian Bug #577087.15:23
ubottuDebian bug 577087 in wnpp "ITP: spim -- MIPS R2000/R3000 emulator" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/57708715:23
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jdstrandmhall119: hey. sorry about this, but I need to reject the packages that were uploaded to the archive. I don't know what happened, but the source are like a source within a source. you can see what I mean by viewing the packages at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=qimo16:22
jdstrandmhall119: eg, a dpkg-source -x ...dsc results in:16:23
jdstrandqimo-wallpaper/qimo-wallpaper_2.0.0-ubuntu1.dsc16:23
jdstrandqimo-wallpaper/qimo-wallpaper_2.0.0-ubuntu1.diff.gz16:23
jdstrandamong other things16:23
zgreghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/55900516:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 559005 in compiz "Compiz won't start after the 10.04 Beta 2 update (dup-of: 558998)" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 558998 in compiz "[lucid] compiz-gnome broken because of metacity update" [Undecided,In progress]16:23
zgregthis is annoying...16:23
jdstrandmhall119: perhaps this is due to highvoltage's upload? I don't know16:24
jdstrandmhall119: you want an orig.tar.gz, a .dsc, a .diff.gz. a dpkg-source -x on the dsc will untar the orig.tar.gz and apply diff.gz to it (which ideally will only touch the debian/ dir). if you are aware of all that, just take it up with highvoltage and/or revu16:26
jdstrandmhall119: this does not affect the FFe. upload new packages and we'll get the processed16:26
Tonio__evilnhandler: hey16:27
Tonio__we won't go with rekonq right now16:27
Tonio__evilnhandler: we probably will switch to rekonq one day16:27
Tonio__evilnhandler: there are still too many bugs of features lacking with it right now16:28
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zooko`Folks: we had a critical performance bug in Tahoe-LAFS (actually in foolscap) and we think we fixed it, but we have one report that it still exists after the upgrade, but we can't reproduce it.16:42
zooko`Anybody else want to try?16:42
zooko`maco uploaded the update of foolscap which I think fixed the bug.16:43
zooko`https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foolscap/+bug/54899316:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 548993 in foolscap "please upgrade foolscap in Ubuntu Lucid to v0.5.1" [Undecided,Fix released]16:43
zooko`The details about the attempts to reproduce the problem are in http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/98316:44
zooko`Basically, if you can upload, say, a 500 GB mutable file to your localhost with the current version in Lucid, then we're good. :-)16:44
zooko`In a different topic, how do I tell launchpad that this is a bug in pycentral, not in foolscap: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foolscap/+bug/38885516:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 388855 in foolscap "package python-foolscap 0.3.2.dfsg-2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New]16:45
ScottKzooko`: Just change the affected package.16:45
zooko`ScottK: there doesn't appear to be a package for pycentral.16:50
zooko`I could at least *unset* it from foolscap.16:50
zooko`There I set it to "invalid".16:51
ScottKzooko`: How about python-central16:51
zooko`I looked for that! I'll look again.16:51
zooko`" There is no project in Launchpad named "python-central". Please search for it as it may be registered with a different name."16:52
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macozooko: python-central package, not project16:54
ScottKzooko: Actually I suspect that's not a bug at all.  I suspect the user played with the symlink for /usr/bin/python.16:55
macozooko: i just added a python-central task to it16:55
macozooko: for future reference, click "also affects distribution" to set the package within a distro that is affected16:56
zookoOkay. Anything else I should do about it?16:56
zookomaco: I don't get it. Isn't a "distribution" a version of Ubuntu such as Karmic, Lucid?16:56
macozooko: ubuntu is a distribution16:56
macozooko: baltix linux also uses launchpad16:56
macoso if you want to mark a package within ubuntu or baltix, you click "also affects distribution", select which distro from the drop down, and put the package name in the textbox16:57
zookoAh, so if I click on "also affects distribution" I'll then be able to find python-central-as-part-of-ubuntu ?16:57
zookoOr are you just saying I should have marked it as also affecting Ubuntu?16:57
macozooko: the first one16:58
macobut i just did it for you16:58
zookoThanks.16:58
zookoThe parts about different people trying to reproduce that performance bug are here: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/983#comment:716:58
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delimiterhi folks. I'm trying to backport puppet and facter from lucid to hardy. facter builds fine but puppet gives me this error from pbuilder build: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed - presumably because it needs the newer version of facter and that's not in the base.tgz. How can I fix this?18:14
kirklandis it possible to have a symlink installed in /etc be treated like a conffile?18:24
kirklandnevermind, cjwatson answered that in #ubuntu-devel18:33
kirklandshort answer: DFDT18:33
* hyperair kicks dpkg-source's @ubuntu.com check19:06
xteejxHey guys19:06
hyperairhello.19:06
xteejxNoticed another dependency problem in today's updates, hasn't been reported. bug 55944719:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 559447 in samba "[lucid] samba is to be removed during update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55944719:07
ScottKxteejx: Are you on amd64?19:09
xteejxyeah ScottK19:09
ScottKxteejx: The package isn't fully built.  Just wait.  No need to report bugs on stuff like that.19:09
xteejxScottK: Ahh I'll close it, sorry didn't realise. For future reference...in cases like these is it safe to just close and do normal updates?19:10
ScottKxteejx: Generally I'd wait and try again later.19:10
ScottKThese things are a normal part of running the development release.19:11
xteejxI haven't actually came across it yet to be honest, been lucky updating at the right time I guess :)19:11
cndif you're creating a package based on the state of the sources in a git tree on a certain date, what version string is suggested?19:45
cndsay for today's date?19:45
kklimondacnd: hmm.. for example last_version+git20100409.<first eight characters from the commit hash>-XubuntuY19:52
cndkklimonda: that seems very long and obtuse, is that really suggested?19:53
cndalso, there's no "last_version"19:53
cndI rememberd mtd-utils doesn't put out releases either, so I see that it's version is 20090606-119:54
kklimondacnd: well, the problem with using only the current date is that if they ever release stable package you'll have to use epoch. of course epoch is exactly for situations like that19:55
kklimondacnd: I don't think there is a single, official way of naming releases from various repositories - the one I've given you is the one I like the most19:56
cndok19:56
cndthere's not a huge amount of commits on a given day19:56
sorenPOX: Hey, man. Do you have a copy of the .dsc and .debian.tar.gz from the python-cloudfiles upload?19:56
cndreally, it goes quite some time without commits19:56
sorenPOX: Thanks for that, by the way!19:57
cndso I think I'll leave off the git hash19:57
kklimondacnd: you can grep though /var/lib/apt/lists/ to see what are others conventions19:57
kklimondacnd: I think hash may be useful to regenerate the orig tarball19:57
cndkklimonda: it's slightly more useful, but if there weren't any commits on that day it's unnecessary19:58
cndand not many people are going to download the orig tarball based strictly on the version string19:59
kklimondacnd: sure - as I said, the final decision is up to the maintainer19:59
cndok19:59
POXsoren: http://people.debian.org/~piotr/python-cloudservers_1.0~a5-1.d{ebian.tar.gz,sc}20:03
POX(I didn't check/upload python-cloudfiles, IIRC)20:05
persiasoren: If you upload that, consider -0ubuntu1 or similar just in case there is an issue.20:12
arandAn SRU for universe (Bug #510571), would it be prudent to poke someone from the SRU team? If so who/how?20:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 510571 in virtualbox-ose "Lucid guest won't boot with acpi in virtualbox" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51057120:17
sorensoren: Sorry, that was a typo.20:21
sorenHehe..20:21
sorenGood one.20:21
sorenPOX: Sorry, cloudfiles was a typo. I meant cloudservers. Thanks!20:21
sorenpersia: Hmm... Yeah, I guess that's a good point.20:22
sorenpersia: Done so. Very good point. Hadn't thought of that.20:26
persiasoren: 99% of the time the ftp-masters don't reject it, but that 1% hurts :)20:28
ScottKIt goes either way.  I've rejected stuff that was accepted by Debian.20:32
persiaSure, but that doesn't cause issues with version numbers.20:42
POXScottK: (just curious) which package was it?20:44
ScottKNo.  In the cases I was involved in the Debian maintainer uploaded a fixed version and we sync'ed that.20:44
ScottKPOX: I don't recall exactly, it was something R related.20:44
ScottKTwo of them.20:44
POXok then (/me rejected every single Ubuntu accepted package so far :P)20:45
LaneyI thought that AAs didn't review packages already in Debian20:45
sebnerbaaad POX20:50
* sebner throws rotten tomatoes at POX :P20:50
POXbut I also rejected (almost) every single NEW mentors.d.n package (DktrKranz was one of two guys who managed to get it in)20:50
POXI mean, NEW without serious comments20:51
LaneyI've not had a NEW package rejected (yet)20:52
POXsebner: still waiting for you to join DktrKranz :P20:52
Laney:cool:20:52
sebnerPOX: with that attitude you can wait long :P20:52
sebnerLaney is teehh geek!20:52
* Laney releases sebner under the WTFPL20:53
* sebner is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe20:54
* soren admires POX' keen eye20:54
sebnersoren: pfff, he's just EVIL :P20:55
soren"delightfully picky"20:56
* sebner uploads *any* package that's lintian clean even if it does rm -rf / in postinstall. lintian is god \o/ *muahahahahhaha*20:57
POXsoren: there's another competition, BTW - uploads without a comment in a row - DktrKranz and Jonathan Wiltshire have 4 (but DktrKranz decided to quit the game)20:57
* Laney coughs20:57
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sebnerDktrKranz: pussy!20:58
LaneyHe got @debian.org and ftp team powers20:59
LaneyI'd call that pretty hardcore20:59
* Laney bows down20:59
sebnerDktrKranz: haha, I told ya ;)20:59
sebnerLaney: I expect from him to become president of the world, nothing less21:00
lfaraonecnd: do still intend to submit rinputd to Debian? I noticed you filed debbugs 569042 two months ago, and was wondering if you wanted someone to maintain it.21:09
cndlfaraone: I'm very new to all this, but it's already been sponsored and uploaded to ftp-master21:10
cndit's in the NEW queue, so I assume now I wait for an ftp-master to review it?21:10
cndbeen waiting for 5 days21:10
lfaraonecnd: ah, didn't check there :)21:11
cndlfaraone: how long do packages usually sit in the NEW queue21:11
lfaraonecnd:  NEW can take anywhere from a few days to a month. For my packages, it's been an average of 10/12 days21:11
cndok21:12
ScottKhyperair: What version of sugar is Lucid supposed to have.  It appears to have pieces of several at the moment.21:12
lfaraoneScottK: Debian packages a bunch of versions.21:12
hyperairScottK: sugar has versions?21:12
* hyperair only cares about sugar levels in his blood21:12
lfaraonehyperair: http://sugarlabs.org/ :)21:13
hyperairaha!21:13
hyperair*that* sugar.21:13
hyperairi'm assuming a wrong ping then21:13
ScottKAh.  I think I meant that for highvoltage.  Sorry.21:13
hyperairnp21:14
lfaraoneright now in karmic we have python-sugar-toolkit-0.88, sugar-0.86, sugar-activities at 0.83, sugar-artwork-0.88, sugar-browse-activity-0.86, sugar-chat-activity-0.86, sugar-emulator-0.88, sugar-read-activity-0.86, sugar-presence-service-0.88,  sugar-session-0.88, and sugar-tools-0.8821:14
lfaraones/karmic/lucid/21:14
ScottKyep.21:15
lfaraoneScottK: it's complicated. 0.88 is the latest stable, 0.84 is in most deployments, but 0.86 will be on the next OLPC XO laptop.21:16
ScottKlfaraone: Someone needs to sort out what we have.21:16
lfaraoneScottK: upstream ideally would like to have 0.88 shipped, as we'd rather not support .84 for all eternity.21:17
ScottKThere are bits of 0.84 and 0.86 that aren't buildable.21:17
ScottKlfaraone: Are you involved upstream with sugar?21:17
lfaraoneScottK: yes, I'm a systems administrator.21:17
lfaraone(I maintain some of their servers, that is)21:18
highvoltageScottK: would it be possible to bring it up to .88 via SRU?21:18
ScottKlfaraone: OK.  Someone who understands all the sugar packages ought to sort through what we have/need/don't need.21:18
ScottKhighvoltage: Generally not, but as different sugar versions are packaged to be co-installable, we could have more than one.21:18
lfaraoneScottK: well, I'm in pretty good contact with the development team.21:19
ScottKThe thing is it doesn't appear to me that we have ANY version that is complete and buildable right now.21:19
lfaraoneyes, it is rather a mess.21:19
ScottKSo it would be great if you and highvoltage could put your heads together and figure out the best path forward.21:20
ScottKI don't care some much WHICH version as that we have at least one.21:20
lfaraoneScottK: in theory, we would be fine if we only shipped the shell, artwork, presence service, browse, and the toolkit. Users can download activities (Sugar Applications) through the prefered means of distribution, http://activities.sugarlabs.org/, a la Mozilla Addons.21:21
highvoltageScottK: one of the sugar developers (or at least he was until a few months ago) lives quite close to me and he was quite enthusiastic about the ubuntu packages until he got a new job and adopted a baby, I'll also check if he has more free time now and try to reel him in21:21
lfaraonehighvoltage: dfarning, right?21:21
highvoltageat the very least he could help bring me up to speed and fill some gaps21:21
highvoltagelfaraone: morgs (Morgan Collett)21:21
ScottKlfaraone and highvoltage: I've got a few hundred other packages to sort before release, so please figure it out.  Ping me if you need an FFe for something.21:22
lfaraonehighvoltage: ah. I haven't heard from him since Intrepid.21:22
lfaraoneScottK: understood, we'll ask if we need something :)21:22
ScottKExcellent.21:22
highvoltagelfaraone: I think that's about when he officially stopped working as an employee for the sugar project, he was still involved for a bit afterwards though21:23
lfaraonehighvoltage: would you agree my assessment of the bare-minimum is accurate, and a good base to start towards?21:23
highvoltagelfaraone: to be perfectly honest, my knowledge of sugar is very minimal, but that does sounds like a very rational and pragmatic approach, so yes21:24
lfaraonehighvoltage: take a look at https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive/ppa , by the way. I haven't tested the packags, but they're supposed to work :)21:24
highvoltagelfaraone: nice, we should probably link to it somewhere on the edubuntu site if anyone adventurous wants to try it out and file some bugs21:24
lfaraonehighvoltage: mk. I was never clear on this: where should PPA bugs be filed? :)21:25
ScottKSomewhere other than Ubuntu.21:25
* lfaraone thinks he's asked this before, and I often get different answers.21:26
ScottKYou can make an LP project with it's own bug tracker if you want21:26
lfaraonehighvoltage: I guess we could use https://edge.launchpad.net/usr21:26
lfaraonehighvoltage: and I can add you to ~sugarteam if you want.21:26
highvoltageyes I think creating a project and filing bugs against that is the right way to do it21:26
highvoltagelfaraone: that would be great21:27
lfaraonehighvoltage: done, ~jonathan added21:27
highvoltagelfaraone: great, I think it would be a good addition to the edubuntu dvd's as an optional install when the packages are nice and ready21:28
xteejxHow do I grab the source code for a specific arch?21:34
lfaraonexteejx: all arches have the same source code tarball...21:34
sorenxteejx: Source code is the same across architectures.21:34
jpdsxteejx: Erm... they're the same for all arches?21:34
xteejxoops :)21:35
xteejxthanks guys21:36
xteejxGuys, bug 557556, is that right about ppc64/PS3? Gives me the impression that it won't be worked on, although I think I might have found the problem21:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 557556 in pitivi "pitivi crashed with RuntimeError in __init__() on Playstation 3 (PPC64)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55755621:47
xteejxsomething to do with the gst.GhostPad part of mixer.py21:48
lfaraonexteejx: well, it has a priority assigned. if someone knows about it, they'll propose a fix.21:51
ScottKEven better if you figure it out, you can attach a patch.21:51
ScottKThe odds of it getting fixed go WAY up then.21:52
xteejxWell to be honest all I know is that the gst.GhostPad is part of gstreamer, but other than that I'm no use I'm sure plenty of others know that21:52
lfaraonexteejx: well, try to replicate the problem with a smaler testcase to isolate the bug.21:53
ScottKPut what you know in the bug and that'll help the next person to take a shot at it..21:53
xteejxWill do, and hope so!21:54
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