[01:27] <thiblahute> Hi, I am trying to make ubuntuone working since I upgraded on lucid like 1 month ago, but impossible. Here is the status, it is always like it http://pastebin.com/utw1pewf
[01:27] <thiblahute> I just bought some music on ubuntu music store but can't download it :(
[01:33] <beuno> thiblahute, looks like it's talking to the server
[01:33] <beuno> are you on lucid?
[01:33] <thiblahute> beuno: Yes, on lucid
[01:34] <thiblahute> beuno: And why does it talk to the server all the time? How can I tell him to do his job, instead of chating? :P
[01:34] <beuno> thiblahute, heh, do you happen to have a lot of files?
[01:35] <thiblahute> beuno:On the server I don't have anything, on the computer I have a few files marked  as "synchronise with ubuntu one", but it isn't uploading anything
[01:37] <beuno> thiblahute, I'd suggest you file a bug and attach the logfile in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/syncdaemon.log
[01:37] <beuno> and someone can get back to you tomorrow
[01:37] <thiblahute> There is nothing in there
[01:38] <thiblahute> beuno it is ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log	
[01:38] <beuno> right
[01:38] <beuno> so I'd file a bug anyway, it's not my area of expertise, and all the people who know are sleeping by now
[01:39] <thiblahute> beuno: ok ok, will file a bug then.*
[01:40] <thiblahute> *fill
[01:40] <beuno> thiblahute, yeap, please mention that you bought music that you can't download
[01:41] <beuno> so it can be prioritized accordingly
[01:42] <thiblahute> beuno: in which package should I fill it you think?
[01:43] <beuno> thiblahute, ubuntuone-client
[07:24] <tritium> Hello.  Where is my Ubuntu One couchdb stored?  I cannot find it in my Ubuntu One directory, or on the web interface.
[07:25] <tritium> Bug 443121 is killing me, and I'm trying to purge my bookmarks, and they keep re-appearing due to bindwood.
[07:36] <tritium> In other words, how do I delete my CouchDB information?
[07:37] <tritium> If I remove bindwood, that still leaves my info out there somewhere in the cloud.
[10:08] <kermiac> hey rye, thanks for your comment on bug 555173 :)
[10:09] <rye> kermiac, have you seen https://code.launchpad.net/~rye/apport/ubuntuone-bugpatterns ?
[10:09] <kermiac> rye: I had a quick look a while ago when you first mentioned it
[10:09] <rye> kermiac, apport bugpatterns scripts "tweaked" to support old ubuntuone bugs
[10:09]  * kermiac looks
[10:10] <rye> kermiac, well, the bugpatterns for ubuntuone-client.xml are posted to ubuntu-bugpatterns, but that branch contains search-bugs.ubuntuone and test-local.ubuntuone that perform fix-ups for the bug reports before matching
[10:12] <kermiac> rye: ooh, very nice job mate :)
[10:13] <rye> kermiac, i tried to cover most /Bugs reports so that it is easier to mark duplicates...
[10:14] <kermiac> rye: from my *very* quick scan it seems like you've covered most of the "known" bugs... great work!
[10:16] <kermiac> rye: can you please confirm that it was decided the other day/night when we were talking with joshua-hoover that we are going to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Incomplete%20bugs%20without%20a%20response%20from%20submitter
[10:17] <kermiac> I want to start clearing some of the older bugs by asking for more info
[10:17] <kermiac> to see if the problem still exists
 rye: so i saw the backlog of kermiac and you talking about some bug related stuff...wanted to follow up on that
[10:19] <rye>  rye: as far as incomplete bugs go, i'm cool with following the standard ubuntu process if you are :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Incomplete%20bugs%20without%20a%20response%20from%20submitter
[10:20] <kermiac> rye: thanks :) I'll start looking at the older bugs this weekend
[11:45] <kermiac> rye: joshuahoover: I have edited the "bug workflow diagram" to reflect the changes to the workflow as we discussed. Please let me know what you think. If it is ok I will upload the .dia file to replace the current one on the wiki
[11:45] <kermiac> http://mitchtowner.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ubuntu_one_bug_workflow_edited.png
[11:47] <kermiac> please feel free to comment on any changes you think are neccessary :)
[12:25]  * jussi01 eyes chanserv evilly...
[12:36] <duanedesign> kermiac: yes i started to get some of the older bugs out of the 'New' queue by asking if tis still an issue and requesting additional info/
[13:18] <kermiac> hey duanedesign, you still around?
[13:20] <duanedesign> kermiac: hello
[13:20] <kermiac> just wondering if you think bug 556877 is similar to bug 522492 you commented on earlier today/tonight. I can't see anything from the latest logs & think it might be a server issue too
[13:20] <kermiac> do you agree?
[13:23] <duanedesign> i have been meaning to ask rye about the error in the exception log. I have come across a few with it.
[13:23] <duanedesign> 2010-04-07 11:47:52,906 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - Download                     share:''                                       node:'00ef5379-31dc-4af0-b45b-f40c19bb6e10'   Download(fileobj_factory='<function <lambda> at 0xaaa9a3c>', share_id="''", node_id="'00ef5379-31dc-4af0-b45b-f40c19bb6e10'", server_hash="'sha1:64358335c2965d7c36c0d6373e6b8014b924492f'") failure INTERNAL_ERROR
[13:23]  * rye does not like INTERNAL_ERROR, is there anything else before that?
[13:25] <duanedesign> rye: was there a bug for webUI only showing part of a large list of files?
[13:25] <rye> duanedesign, yes
[13:26] <rye> bug #522492 i believe
[13:27] <rye> duanedesign, erm, that's the bug you commented
[13:28] <kermiac> so should i re-assign 556877 to server & make it a dupe of that one? both OP's have the same issue with not all files showing in webui
[13:29] <kermiac> or just re-assign to server as I can't tell from the info provided if they are *identical* issues
[13:29] <duanedesign> kermiac: i am not sure 556687
[13:29] <rye> kermiac, hm, 522492 looks older, so i believe the 556877 is a duplicate. The reason is the same.
[13:29] <rye> and as beuno said, we are throwing that ui out...
[13:31] <rye> cool, i am not allowed to see bug 556687 :-/
[13:31] <kermiac> rye: when marking dupes I usually make the report with the most info the master
[13:31] <rye> kermiac, hm, makes sense..
[13:32] <kermiac> rye: was it just a timeout issue that you can't see 556687? or something else?
[13:33] <rye> kermiac, "Not allowed here"
[13:33] <kermiac> rye: you should really apply for bugcontrol membership mate - you've done more than enough work to make it in easily :)
[13:34] <kermiac> it would allow you to see private bugs too
[13:34] <duanedesign> i am not positive 55687[7] is a dupe of 52249[2]
[13:34] <kermiac> duanedesign: neither am I, but it looks like a server issue, right?
[13:34] <rye> kermiac, erm, i am member of bugcontrol...
[13:35] <rye> hm
[13:35] <rye>  "You are an indirect member of this team"
[13:35] <kermiac> rye: oh, i fogot heh... no idea why you're "not allowed here" for 55687 then
[13:36]  * duanedesign needs get bugcontrol membership
[13:36] <rye> kermiac, are you a direct member of ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[13:37] <kermiac> rye: yup
[13:37] <kermiac> duanedesign: yeah, you should really apply. I'd +1 you :)
[13:37] <rye> "Only members of the Ubuntu Bug Control, direct or indirect, can view private bug reports."... http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugcontrol@lists.launchpad.net/msg00008.html
[13:38] <rye> well, i feel a bug :)
[13:39] <kermiac> rye: yeah, seems very strange. although 556687 isn't private... I don't know why LP isn't allowing you to see it. are you subscribed to U1 bugmail?
[13:40] <rye> kermiac, yup
[13:40] <kermiac> ok, scratch that idea then
[13:41] <rye> kermiac, but no bug #556687 in my mail as well, hmm
[13:42] <kermiac> rye: I don't see you in the "also notified" section of the bug report
[13:42] <kermiac> I'll subscribe you... that should give you access
[13:43] <rye> kermiac, thanks, I would really like to see why I am not given access as an indirect member... something may be wrong as this is not the first time I can't read Ubuntu One bug reports...
[13:44] <kermiac> rye: try now. i just subscribed you
[13:44] <rye> kermiac, https://launchpad.net/bugs/556687 - right ?
[13:45] <kermiac> yup
[13:45] <rye> " Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."
[13:45] <rye> hmmm
[13:45] <kermiac> hmmm... maybe try a direct link?
[13:45] <kermiac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/556877
[13:46] <kermiac> rye ^^
[13:46] <rye> hmmmm
[13:47] <Brot1> hello
[13:47] <kermiac> any luck with using the direct link? I'm not sure that it would make a difference though
[13:47] <rye> kermiac, "sometimes MYILES folder does not appear" - that is known, it is also time-out and broken js handling (whichever happens first)
[13:47] <rye> kermiac, and yes, I can read this bug now,
[13:48] <kermiac> :)
[13:48] <rye> kermiac, however i am now in a post-bug-against-launchpad bug mode
[13:48] <rye> or just ask @ #launchpad...
[13:50] <kermiac> rye: I'd ping someone in #launchpad first, but if there's no response just file a bug against launchpad. might be a good idea to show the above examples too
[13:50] <rye> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/556877 ?
[13:50] <rye> or
[13:50] <rye> 556687 ?
[13:50] <rye> kermiac, ^
[13:51] <kermiac> I'd just say that you can't access https://launchpad.net/bugs/556687 , but you can access https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/556877
[13:52] <kermiac> rye: sounds like a redirection issue on LP - but that's just a guess
[13:52] <rye> "556687" <> "556877"
[13:52] <rye> kermiac, ^
[13:52] <kermiac> notice the second link has +source/ubuntyone-client whereas 1st link doesn;t
[13:53] <kermiac> using the first link, LP has to do some redirection magic to end up at the second link
[13:54] <kermiac> ahh... I can't access https://launchpad.net/bugs/556687 now either :/
[13:54] <rye> kermiac, these numbers are different, we were talking about 3 bugs :)
[13:55]  * kermiac needs sleep
[13:55] <kermiac> not seeing straight, sorry rye
[13:55] <rye> kermiac, i mean was the bug #556877 the one that was discussed with duanedesign about bug #522492
[13:55] <rye> ?
[13:56] <kermiac> rye: yes, 556877 was the one
[13:56] <rye> kermiac, ok, then i believe that no, the bug report is not completely web-ui related
[13:57] <kermiac> rye: do you mind taking a look when you get time & seeing if you can get to the bottom of it pls? I'm getting nowhere fast with the poor OP :( seems like it was working then it's not, then it is, etc, etc
[13:58] <kermiac> anyway, I've got to go get some sleep before I fall asleep here... good night & thanks for your help rye & duanedesign :)
[13:58] <rye> kermiac, ok, i will get to it once I test that removing two lines of code fixes /notes/ oopsing :)
[13:59] <rye> kermiac_, good night!
[14:00] <duanedesign> rye: do you remember the bug that we were talking about awhile back that 'rm -rf ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/trash/N' fixed
[14:03] <duanedesign> it had the 'waiting till we know the true value of' right before AQ hangs and the node_id="'None'
[14:07] <rye> duanedesign, yes, marker... let me recall that...
[14:29] <rye> ok, submitted the patch for /notes/ that will prevent whole UI from oopsing in case converter failed at one. Notes will oops individually
[14:34] <rye> duanedesign, https://code.launchpad.net/~facundo/ubuntuone-client/lr-clean-trash
[14:34] <rye> duanedesign, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/517361
[14:37] <duanedesign> rye: thank you!
[14:46]  * achiang is trying to purchase music in ubuntu one store via rhythmbox, but getting an error message saying "download unavailable"
[14:46] <achiang> any hints on where to start debugging?
[14:48] <achiang> Prefs->Ubuntu One Preferences says "sync in progress"
[14:48] <achiang> so i guess it knows i'm signed in somehow
[14:48] <achiang> and the laptop i'm on is authorized on my account
[14:50] <achiang> hm, desktopcouch just died
[14:57] <duanedesign> achiang: have you purchased the song yet?
[14:58] <achiang> duanedesign: no, but now i think the problem is that the store thinks i'm based in the UK (although I'm not. i'm in the US)
[15:01] <rye> achiang, what's your IP address?
[15:02] <achiang> 209.6.3.210
[15:06]  * rye hates GeoIP
[15:07] <achiang> i think it's correct most of the time but... is there a way to correlate a credit card # with a country?
[15:08] <achiang> maybe visa/mastercard/amex reserve blocks of numbers for geographies
[15:08] <achiang> that might be a way to double-check against geoip
[15:08]  * achiang is blindly speculating, obviously
[15:08] <rye> achiang, based on maxmind db you are in US
[15:13] <rye> achiang, so, basically US store thinks you are in UK because there are several connections to the musicstore possible, ubuntuone.com is accessed via UK link, but musicstore is accessed via US link.
[15:14] <achiang> rye: ok, thanks for the explanation. is that a known issue?
[15:15] <rye> achiang, yes, although i don't remember seeing a bug report. It is Canonical-specific issue to be precise :)
[15:16] <achiang> rye: hard to eat the dogfood when the dog runs away. ;)
[15:17] <Emry> O.o I am consistently getting strange behavior from the syncing process.  I just discovered that several potentially important files (that are luckilly located elsewhere too) have been reverted to older versions. ^^;;
[15:18] <rockstar> statik, ping
[15:20] <rockstar> honk
[15:21] <Emry> :P I need to learn how to read the logs.
[15:21] <rye> Emry, could you please pastebin ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log ? It does not seem nice
[15:21] <rye> rockstar, hi!
[15:21] <rockstar> rye, hi.  I haven't seen aq here at all this week, and I was hoping to get my music soon.
[15:22] <rockstar> (If this keeps up, I'll have to go back to piracy.  The horror!)
[15:22] <rockstar> rye, is there someone else I can talk to?
[15:23] <rye> rockstar, the issue is that currently there is an ongoing work on daemon that downloads music to the storage
[15:23] <rye> statik, ^
[15:23] <rockstar> rye, yeah, apparently your vendor thinks it's kosher to return HTTP 200 on error.  :)
[15:24] <Emry> rye, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411635/  ^^
[15:25] <Emry> rye: I may need to rethink my use of the program.  It also chokes big time if you make several changes to a file over a short period. :P
[15:29] <rye> rmcbride, do you have the filename that was reverted ?
[15:30] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: hi. what port do you think we should use for the test couchdb server?
[15:30] <adiroiban> i agree that we should choose another port... but I don't know which one
[15:30] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, any port not used by any other server
[15:30] <rodrigo_> it's hard to know
[15:30] <rodrigo_> isn't there any tool to get a free port from the command line?
[15:31] <adiroiban> I don't know
[15:32] <adiroiban> 5985 should be ok
[15:34] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: what do you say?
[15:34] <rye> Hm, it looks like my fix for blank notes made it into the server.
[15:35] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: I don't think there is no other safe way of doing that... since the command line can return a port, but it will not bind it
[15:36] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, yeah, let's do 5985
[15:36] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, or maybe shouldn't we try different ports if spawning couchdb fails?
[15:37] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, I'll merge your branch as it is now though, but please have some thought about dealing with a busy port
[15:37] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: sure. I am working at refactoring the tests so that they will cover all API calls
[15:38] <adiroiban> and that will need some specific server for testing HTTP auth and OAUTh and replication
[15:38] <adiroiban> I was thinking of creating an external script that can deal with the creation/starting of couchdb server
[15:39] <adiroiban> and that script will handle the port numbers
[15:39] <adiroiban> otherwise the makefile will be hard to read
[15:40] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, ok, so leave that branch, I'll merge it so you can continue working on that, won't block your branch anymore
[15:41] <rachaelb> hi beuno :)
[15:42] <rachaelb> just wanted to say thanks... my blackberry 9700 now syncs again
[15:42] <rachaelb> thanks for sorting the problem out
[15:42] <rachaelb> i think you can mark it as "fixed" on launchpad
[15:42] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: ok. thanks. I also need to find a way for starting a testing desktopcouch instance. I will open new bugs for each issue
[15:42] <beuno> hito_jp, i!
[15:42] <beuno> hi
[15:43] <beuno> let be back up
[15:43] <beuno> rachaelb, hi!
[15:43] <rachaelb> hi beuno
[15:43] <beuno> yes, I was looking for you  :)
[15:43] <rachaelb> was just saying thanks
[15:43] <beuno> you're welcome
[15:43] <rachaelb> started working again in the wee hours this morning
[15:43] <beuno> if you have the bug # handy and would like to mark it as fixed released, that would be great
[15:43] <beuno> yeah, we rolle out the fix yesterday evening
[15:43] <rachaelb> i dont have it to hand, but i'll go to launchpad later and dothat for you
[15:44] <rachaelb> thanks again..... you're my fav coder at the moment :-D
[15:44] <rachaelb> bye
[15:45] <beuno> \o/
[15:45] <beuno> I didn't even fix it, thisfred did
[15:45] <beuno> but I like the glory
[15:46] <thisfred> beuno was instrumental in terrorizing me into fixing it ;)
[15:46] <thisfred> and by terrorizing I mean asking very nicely, but that doesn't sound as good
[15:53] <rye> will go download some fresh air...
[16:01] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, ok, merged to git master
[16:04] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: thanks. Now I have this test which fails with segfault http://paste.ubuntu.com/411652/
[16:04] <adiroiban> I'm still reading about how to use gobject library
[16:04] <adiroiban> is there something wrong in the way I wrote that test?
[16:05] <adiroiban> if I'm not calling g_object_unref(dbinfo), everhing is ok... but I guess the memory is not freed
[16:10] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: looking at the couchdb-glib code I can see that new objects are created using g_slice_new and not g_object_new
[16:14] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: or the CouchdbDatabaseInfo object should not be a GObject?
[16:17] <vds> PaulGit: ping
[16:18] <PaulGit> vds: pong
[16:18] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, well, they are just structs, so they are just registered as GTypes, but created as structs
[16:19] <vds> PaulGit: hello! for what I'm seeing here it looks like the contact is actually been sent twice and merged by the server, but you're sure on both the iPhone and TB you have the contact only once, right?
[16:19] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: ok. so they should be structs
[16:19] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: I was confused by this line " * Create a new @CouchdbDatabaseInfo object, which is used to store information"
[16:20] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, yeah, not sure what to use there instead of 'object'
[16:20] <PaulGit> vds: Pretty sure as I totally cleared down the contacts on my iPhone and in Thunderbird so I was starting from a clean sheet.  I then added the contact once and synced.
[16:20] <adiroiban> maybe the comment should say "Create a new @CouchdbDatabaseInfo struct"
[16:20] <adiroiban> otherwise people like me might thing this is a Gobject
[16:23] <vds> PaulGit: I see the same contact sent twice with same data but of course two different ids
[16:23] <vds> PaulGit: which is pretty strange
[16:24] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: the problem is that there are also functions like "const char *couchdb_document_info_get_docid (CouchdbDocumentInfo *doc_info)", which are similar to gobject methods
[16:24] <vds> PaulGit: so you have one contact, you sync, on the web ui you see just one contact
[16:24] <PaulGit> vds: Well if it is being sent to you then it has to be an issue with the clients (both iPhone and Thunderbird).
[16:24] <PaulGit> vds: Web UI only shows one yes
[16:24] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, yeah, they should be seen as objects, although they are not, yeah
[16:25] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: and in this case, it is hard to bind them to Vala
[16:25] <vds> PaulGit: after the first sync how many contacts you have on your iPhone?
[16:25] <vds> just one? I guess
[16:25] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, ah
[16:25] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, we might want to convert them to GObject's then
[16:26] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, so, the vala bindings generator doesn't know about GType's
[16:26] <PaulGit> vds: If I start with no contacts on TB, no contacts on iPhone.  Add contact to TB, sync to U1.  U1 Web UI shows 1 contact.  Sync to iPhone, iPhone shows 2 contacts.   The same happens in reverse too.
[16:27] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: vala knows about structs, but I don't know that I can attack a method to a struct
[16:28] <rodrigo_> hmm, ok
[16:28] <vds> PaulGit: ok, thanks again! I'll keep investigating.
[16:28] <iamfuzz> is the music store "down"?  Just mad emy first purchase and it has remained stuck on "Transferring to your Ubuntu One storage"
[16:28] <PaulGit> vds: OK, Let me know if you want me to run any tests.
[16:29] <vds> PaulGit: sure
[16:31] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: let me see if I can hook this up in Vala
[16:31] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, ok, if not, we can change them to be GObject's, shouldn't break the API, only the ABI
[16:32] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: so Session and Document are the only GObject in couchdb-glib api?
[16:35] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, yes, iirc
[16:41] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, Credentials is also a GObject
[16:42] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: in Vala I can bind structs, but it looks like the memory allocated using g_slice_new but be freed using g_slice_free
[16:42] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, and it's not?
[16:42]  * rodrigo_ looks
[16:42] <adiroiban> I tried dealocating it using g_free and I got a segfault
[16:43] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, ah, right, you need to call _unref
[16:43] <adiroiban> since Vala is handling the memory allocation, by default it will use g_free
[16:43] <rodrigo_> couchdb_database_info_unref
[16:43] <rodrigo_> ah, bad then
[16:43] <adiroiban> but maybe I'm not doing something right in the bindings
[16:44] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, is it allocating it with g_new0(), or it calls the _new function for the struct?
[16:46] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: it calls the _new functio for the struct
[16:46] <adiroiban> but is using g_object_unref
[16:46] <adiroiban> to dealocate the memory
[16:48] <tritium> Can anyone please tell me how to delete my couchDB?  It's not visible to the user from the Ubuntu One directory, or from the web interface.
[16:48] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, oh, bad
[16:52] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, although I'm thinking changing them to be GObject's breaks the ABI, not that it is a problem, because only evolution-couchdb uses it
[16:52] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: hm... I still need to look at how Vala works
[16:52] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, but if you can find an easy solution, let's go that way for now, and change the objects to be real GObject's for next cycle
[16:52] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, ok, let me know what you find out
[16:54] <adiroiban> since there should be a way for calling the _unref function
[16:59] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, yes
[16:59] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, vala doesn't know how it was allocated in the _new function
[16:59] <tritium> Bug 443121 is a nightmare.  I want to stop using bindwood, and delete the couchDB that holds my user data.
[17:00] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: problem is fixed and _unref is called
[17:00] <rodrigo_> adiroiban, cool, so what was it?
[17:01] <corax> has n e one got Ubuntu One working in Lucid Lynx(Beta) ?
[17:02] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: my fault. somehow my make process did not pick up the changes in the vapi file
[17:02] <rodrigo_> ah
[17:02] <corax> honk
[17:02] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: g_slice_free is not setting the pointer to NULL after freing the memory>
[17:02] <tritium> corax: be careful with it.  I'm concerned about privacy.  There appears to be no answer on how to control your couchDB.
[17:03] <corax> oh ok...thanx.
[17:03] <corax> I'm only interesting in filesync.
[17:03] <adiroiban> rodrigo_: I have this test for couchdb_session_get_database_info, http://paste.ubuntu.com/411673/
[17:03] <corax> *interested
[17:04] <rodrigo_> tritium, you can remove your couchdb databases opening ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html on your web browser
[17:04] <rodrigo_> corax, yes, it works on lucid
[17:04] <tritium> rodrigo_: thank you
[17:04] <corax> *sniff* ...not on my lucid :-(
[17:05] <corax> (account information doesn't appear in my Ubuntu-One preferences ...when I log on via the preferences box....no computers are display in the computer-list, for me to check on)
[17:05] <tritium> rodrigo_: I very much appreciate that information.  Thank you again.
[17:05] <rodrigo_> tritium, you're welcome
[17:07] <corax> *sniff*
[17:07] <corax> :-)
[19:05] <opptic> Is there any open interface for ubuntu one, for exampel if someone were intrested in making some android application for notes?
[19:05] <opptic> Or in general, is there any plans for android?
[19:09] <mkarnicki> opptic: see TomDroid
[19:09] <mkarnicki> opptic: see http://tinyurl.com/AndroidU1
[19:11] <mkarnicki> opptic: see CouchDB: OAuth signed http requests
[19:13] <opptic> ahh nice :)
[19:13] <opptic> thanks mkarnicki
[19:15] <Technoviking> where can I get a copy of ubuntuone-couchdb-query python script. the wiki page does not have the attachment
[19:16] <duanedesign> Technoviking: i think i have one
[19:16] <duanedesign> Technoviking:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/U1/
[19:17] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: that is your project. TomDroid?
[19:17] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: no mate. and I think TomDroid is in a *very* slow development.
[19:18] <mkarnicki> if it was mine, i'd push it much faster.
[19:18] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: my project is http://tinyurl.com/AndroidU1
[19:18] <mkarnicki> or, should I say, proposal.
[19:18] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: I see. Sorry i got them confused/combined :P
[19:18] <mkarnicki> TomDroid can only 'sync' with SD storage.
[19:18] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: no problem :)
[19:19] <mkarnicki> opptic: my pleasure to help.
[19:19] <opptic> mkarnicki: ahh, you are the one that submited the GSoC proposal :)
[19:19]  * mkarnicki it is! ^ ^
[19:20] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: would you want to add your project to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/ThirdPartyProjects
[19:20] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: i'll have a look
[19:20] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: or be comftorable with me adding it to the wiki page.
[19:21] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: just a page I made to provide a place where people who are working on U! projects to find each other, share, and collaborate
[19:21] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: hmm. i think it might be a good idea, but just to let you know, aquarius wants to create an lp project in the name of U1 team, to make it a little 'official'
[19:21] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: sure then! :)
[19:21] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: if so, that's a great idea
[19:22] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: great!
[19:22] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: i can do it if you like, or you can do it if you wish :)
[19:22] <duanedesign> I am steeping out o go eat lunch so if you have time go for it
[19:22] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: i'll be going in few minutes for a while
[19:22] <duanedesign> lol :)
[19:22] <mkarnicki> hah ^ ^ ok then, we'll see who'll be faster
[19:23] <duanedesign> sounds good
[19:23] <mkarnicki> anyhow, you have the tinyurl if u need it :) thanks!
[19:24] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: good idea with that site. bon apetit! and see you soon
[19:24] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: if you come across anyone else working on something might mention the wiki page.
[19:25] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: will do! (already have Yasumoto in mind)
[19:25] <mkarnicki> bye for now!
[20:19] <opptic> I was kind of excited of Ubuntu One, even thinking of contributing to U1-androind app. But then I read it wasn't open source.
[20:20] <opptic> And there seams to be no plans for it either. If so, I can not see any future for UbuntuOne!
[20:23] <opptic> Someday there will probably a "free" cloud provider where you only would pay for the acutal hardware hosting it would require. Not driven by a for-profit company.
[20:35] <jblount> opptic: Hi! I like open source stuff too!
[20:36] <jblount> opptic: One cool piece of open source software is the Ubuntu One client, it's GPL v3: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client
[20:39] <jblount> In fact, it seems like there are quite a few things under the Ubuntu One umbrella that are open source (just two projects are currently marked "Proprietary"): https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone
[20:40] <opptic> jblount: Yea, there seams to be a lot of open source stuff around the service. But the service provider software, the server of the service is not.
[20:40] <opptic> Now, unless that is free, it all other projects seams in vein.
[20:41] <opptic> Why would one produce software/clients for a service that is proprietary?
[20:42] <opptic> That would only be helping the company in to a more dominant position.
[20:43] <jblount> opptic: Part of the niceness is that the protocol is open, so in a similar way to email or other services that can have lots of different vendors, you could totally build a competing solution :)
[20:43] <jblount> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-storage-protocol
[20:43] <opptic> Now that is an intresting idé :)
[20:44] <jblount> In fact, if anyone is intersted, I'm pretty sure they would have a lot of help from the Ubuntu One team. statik mentioned before that he would like to help build a open server that uses the storage protocol.
[20:45] <duanedesign> they recently did recently split out the AWS
[20:45] <duanedesign> S3 emulator that we use for testing and contribute it as a branch to
[20:45] <duanedesign> the txAWS project
[20:46] <jblount> duanedesign: Good point.
[20:46] <opptic> OK, for a second there I didn't see any future. I need to have a look at these 2 things.
[20:46] <jblount> duanedesign: Congratulations on your new found super-hero bug powers too :)
[20:47] <jblount> opptic: You might still be right, the Sex Pistols said the same thing :)
[20:56] <rapha> Hi all!
[20:56] <rapha> Not meaning to be a troll, but ... your password policy *sucks*.
[20:59] <beuno> rapha, I agree
[21:00] <rapha> cool :-)
[21:01] <rapha> i already use passwords that are reasonably secure and can never remember the one for U1 because it always has to be a bit different from the pattern i've developed for myself
[21:06] <opptic> jblount: I still don't think Ubuntu One is the way to go. But here might not be the best place to talk about it.
[21:07] <bac> hey i bought an album 3-4 hours ago from the U1 music store and only half the tracks downloaded.  anyway to tell what's going on?
[21:07] <jblount> opptic: Ok, no worries.
[21:15] <bac> jdobrien: ^^^  -- who is the music store expert?
[21:15] <duanedesign> bac: are they in your online storage. They just have not DL to your computer
[21:16]  * bac looks
[21:17] <duanedesign> jdobrien: thank you. I didnt see the acceptance email till you said that :) Been eating lunch
[21:18] <duanedesign> jdobrien: its been a good week. I made Forum Staff as well. Super proud of that.
[21:18] <bac> duanedesign: they are not in my online storage
[21:18] <duanedesign> bac ok
[21:18] <duanedesign> bac: give me just a second to get situated. Just got back from lunch
[21:21] <duanedesign> bac: do the songs have an apostrophe in the name?
[21:21] <bac> no
[21:22] <bac> duanedesign: the missing ones are still marked "Transferring to your Ubuntu One storage"
[21:22] <duanedesign> and you dont see the songs at at one.ubuntu.com/files, under User Defined Folders > Purcased from Ubuntu One
[21:23] <bac> duanedesign: nope.  they are not there.
[21:23] <bac> duanedesign: 7 tracks of the album transferred but 4 did not
[21:24] <duanedesign> bac: ok then I think this is an issue for.....uh oh i dont see him
[21:24] <bac> duanedesign: who?
[21:25] <duanedesign> hmm. rye :) this user has songs that he purchased but they are not showing up at at one.ubuntu.com/files
[21:25] <duanedesign> bac: normally i would of guessed aquarius.  But rye might know better. It doesnt appear to be a syncdaemon problem
[21:27] <duanedesign> if you saw them in your online storage, just not on your computer than it would be an issue with syncdaemon. This is likely a server bug which causes some songs to get "stuck"
[21:27] <bac> oh, was i supposed to say "honk"
[21:27] <rye> bac, could you please check whether the files are available in https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ in User Desitgnated Folders ?
[21:27] <bac> rye: they are not
[21:27] <rye> checking on the status of downloaddaemon...
[21:28] <bac> rye: the purchase was today at 14:45UTC, almost six hours ago
[21:34] <alecu> bac, can you please tell me the album's name?
[21:35] <rye> alecu, thanks!
[21:37] <bac> alecu: the first days of spring.  i have the order number too...
[21:37] <alecu> bac, the album name should be enough. thanks! I'm looking in the server logs.
[21:46] <rapha> WOOOT?! The Music I can buy through U1 is Mp3?!?! Not Ogg?!
[21:47] <beuno> rapha, yes, that is the only format the studios allow them
[21:47] <beuno> and
[21:47] <beuno> the only format that works in portable music players
[21:47] <beuno> (in general)
[21:48] <rapha> :-(
[21:49] <soren> ajmitch: Is it a landline?
[21:49] <soren> ajmitch: Wow... I was scrolled /way/ up.
[21:50] <rapha> woah! there's miles davis in there!
[21:53] <rapha> looks like .99€ is the cheapest any song gets
[22:01] <ajmitch> soren: like a few days? :)
[22:03] <duanedesign> rapha: i have seen some for $0.77
[22:03] <rapha> duanedesign: but that's US$ then - for me it's €s
[22:04] <rapha> hmmm ... looks like it don't work though :-/ - just bought the album "Son de Andalucía" by Andrés Segovia but all the files are just showing "Queued" forever
[22:08] <soren> ajmitch: No, actually exactly 24 hours. :)
[22:09] <soren> ajmitch: I was responding to: 21:02  * ajmitch can almost guarantee his phone won't be supported
[22:11] <soren> I purchased a few songs yesterday that still have not synced to my Ubuntu One storage.
[22:12] <bac> soren: rye and alecu seem to be the guys to talk to about that
[22:12] <duanedesign> soren: can you see the files at https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ in User Desitgnated Folders
[22:14] <soren> duanedesign: Nope. Most of the album has been transferred, but there's still two missing.
[22:14] <soren> two songs, that is.
[22:15] <soren> Having to wait at all is a bit annoying. Having to wait 27 hours.. Too much :)
[22:19] <alecu> soren, sorry. There's a bug in the server code that downloads songs, and we are working on it.
[22:19] <duanedesign> soren: yeah bac is right. rye or alecu will probably have to help you. I am only good with syncdaemon problems
[22:24] <soren> alecu: Ok. As long as it's known, I'm happy. Thanks. :)
[22:30] <rapha> hmmm
[22:31] <rapha> can't they make OGG + FLAC available for artists that are not sold by the bigger labels?
[22:33] <rapha> heh ... i just clicked the 7digital link from my music store recipe and it just returned a 404
[22:42] <rapha> alecu: quite a lot of the ppl I tell about the new Music Shop in Ubuntu just shrug and tell me they won't stop pirating unless there's lossless FLAC available
[22:44] <alecu> rapha, where do you live? :-)
[22:44] <rapha> In Germany alecu ... but the people I talked to so far were also from Sweden, the U.K. and the U.S.
[22:44] <alecu> rapha, right.
[22:44] <rapha> ?
[22:45] <alecu> rapha, well, it's up to the each label the selection of formats that they make their albums available on.
[22:45] <rapha> alecu: so you make contracts with different labels/suppliers on a per-country base?
[22:46] <alecu> rapha, if they choose to go only with mp3, we cannot re-encode in any other format.
[22:46] <rapha> well yeah, it'd be hard to go from lossy to lossless :P
[22:46] <alecu> rapha, our supplier right now is 7digital, and the labels provide 7d with the files.
[22:47] <rapha> alecu: so if I understand you correctly, Ubuntu One doesn't put any restrictions on the formats available? Do you know of any countries where FLACs are available by one supplier or another?
[22:48] <alecu> rapha, no, I don't have details on that.
[22:49] <alecu> rapha, but labels surely go for the easier route, and because of compatibility that's mp3 right now.
[22:49] <rapha> m-mm, k
[22:49] <rapha> well, there would surely be a market for a supplier that can boast "audiophile" lossless downloads
[22:50] <rapha> and since it appears like Ubuntu is "doing the right thing" i'm gonna shut up now :-)