| === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic | ||
| * hyperair just spotted the forcefully-shutdown-notify-osd block of code to work around memory leaks | 16:06 | |
| hyperair | interesting workaround | 16:06 |
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| hyperair | qense: hmm i saw your blog post about libappindicator0-cil not being in the dependencies. that would be a bug in appindicator's packaging | 19:13 |
| qense | hyperair: really? | 19:13 |
| qense | hyperair: how? | 19:14 |
| qense | The extension does depend on indicator-applet and indicator-application, but as far as I'm aware that's not necessary. | 19:14 |
| hyperair | qense: just like how shared libs are supposed to put themselves into ${shlibs:Depends}, cli libs are supposed to put themselves in ${cli:Depends} | 19:14 |
| hyperair | ${cli:Depends} is there, as evidenced by notify-sharp being pulled in | 19:14 |
| qense | yes | 19:15 |
| hyperair | but what's missing is libappindicator0-cil from that list | 19:15 |
| hyperair | which is why it's a bug in appindicator's side of things | 19:15 |
| qense | ok | 19:15 |
| hyperair | it's not generating the clilibs file | 19:15 |
| hyperair | what's the package name? | 19:15 |
| qense | appindicator-sharp-.01 | 19:15 |
| qense | appindicator-sharp-0.1 | 19:15 |
| hyperair | ah okay thanks | 19:15 |
| hyperair | i'll go fix it | 19:16 |
| hyperair | it's probably missing some dh_ calls | 19:16 |
| hyperair | dh_makeclilibs or something | 19:16 |
| qense | hyperair: great, thank you | 19:16 |
| hyperair | np | 19:17 |
| hyperair | i should have caught this earlier | 19:17 |
| qense | hyperair: but the source package is just indicator-application | 19:17 |
| hyperair | what | 19:17 |
| hyperair | say that first >_> | 19:17 |
| qense | I thought you were asking for the pkg-config name | 19:17 |
| hyperair | oh | 19:18 |
| * hyperair kicks pull-lp-source | 19:18 | |
| hyperair | stupid thing | 19:18 |
| qense | sorry! | 19:19 |
| hyperair | nevermind | 19:19 |
| hyperair | that wasn't addressed to you | 19:19 |
| qense | hyperair: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-application/ubuntu | 19:19 |
| qense | ok | 19:19 |
| hyperair | eh i hate bzr. nevermind =p | 19:19 |
| hyperair | i'll just throw patches around | 19:20 |
| qense | I knew I wasn't the stupid thing. :) | 19:20 |
| hyperair | okay good =) | 19:20 |
| qense | but it's so easy! | 19:20 |
| hyperair | i like git. | 19:20 |
| hyperair | bzr trips me up | 19:20 |
| hyperair | it gets in my way | 19:20 |
| qense | they're both not bad | 19:20 |
| qense | bzr branch lp:branch -> edit -> bzr commit -m "message" --fixes lp:123 -> go to launchpad and file merge request | 19:21 |
| qense | done! | 19:21 |
| hyperair | well, when you've experienced wielding great power, stepping back to something less powerful really sucks | 19:21 |
| qense | that's true | 19:21 |
| qense | but not necessarily for Bazaar ;) | 19:21 |
| qense | according to me, of coruse | 19:21 |
| hyperair | heh | 19:21 |
| hyperair | i'm not going back to bzr. period. =p | 19:21 |
| hyperair | tedg needs a good kicking from the CLI team. | 19:23 |
| qense | I agree that Bazaar lacks the power of format-patch and am, and the distinction between author and committer, but I do think that Bazaar is better for (quick) distributed development. | 19:24 |
| qense | Bazaar is for opportunistic developers, GIT for kernel hackers. ;) | 19:24 |
| hyperair | i'm no kernel hacker | 19:25 |
| hyperair | i'm an opportunistic developer, but i appreciate my git. | 19:25 |
| qense | GIT is probably more suitable for large code bases like GNOME and Banshee, but I do think that Bazaar is easier for small projects. | 19:25 |
| vish | jcastro: hi.. got a sec? | 19:26 |
| hyperair | git has pristine-tar. | 19:26 |
| hyperair | qense: do me a favour and dpkg -L libappindicator0-cil for me please? thanks | 19:26 |
| hyperair | pastebin that too | 19:26 |
| qense | hyperair: | 19:27 |
| qense | http://paste.ubuntu.com/412226/ | 19:27 |
| hyperair | thanks | 19:27 |
| * hyperair groans | 19:27 | |
| qense | what? | 19:27 |
| qense | The non-confirmation to assembly standards again you spoke about earlier? | 19:28 |
| hyperair | qense: yeah, that. | 19:29 |
| hyperair | the package throws things into the gac directly | 19:29 |
| hyperair | and installs files in the middle of nowhere | 19:29 |
| hyperair | it's supposed to be in /usr/lib/cli/blah | 19:29 |
| hyperair | and use dh_installcligac | 19:29 |
| qense | hyperair: bzr branch and file a merge request! ;) | 19:30 |
| hyperair | see, this is why many seasoned ubuntu developers suck. they don't read policies anymore and just whack up some half-baked packaging. | 19:30 |
| hyperair | qense: i'll throw a debdiff. | 19:30 |
| qense | ok | 19:30 |
| qense | That'll do | 19:30 |
| hyperair | if i can even figure out how to begin fixing this mess. | 19:31 |
| qense | hyperair: I think it's because the policies don't have such a central place in Ubuntu as they do in Debian. We don't have them on our wiki and linked to from everywhere. | 19:31 |
| hyperair | qense: it is the ubuntu developer's job to *LOOK* for the policies | 19:32 |
| hyperair | qense: either way there's a package for it. | 19:32 |
| hyperair | containing all the policies | 19:32 |
| hyperair | and if they can't find the policy, then it's their job to ask the people who know where it is | 19:33 |
| hyperair | ah yes, the package is cli-common | 19:33 |
| hyperair | that's where the policy resides | 19:33 |
| qense | plus: ubuntu-policy and debian-policy | 19:35 |
| hyperair | right. | 19:35 |
| qense | hyperair: Do you want me to mark the bug as In Progress and assign it to you? | 19:36 |
| hyperair | qense: please do. | 19:36 |
| qense | ok | 19:36 |
| hyperair | er what bug? | 19:36 |
| qense | bug 560095 | 19:36 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 560095 in banshee-community-extensions (Ubuntu) "banshee-extension-appindicator doesn't depend on libappindicator0-cil, but it has to (affects: 4) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560095 | 19:36 |
| * hyperair didn't see it | 19:36 | |
| hyperair | oh please point it to indicator-application | 19:36 |
| hyperair | thanks | 19:36 |
| qense | yw | 19:37 |
| hyperair | qense: could you pastebin the output of ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/libappindicator0-cil.*? | 19:45 |
| * hyperair really needs a lucid environment | 19:45 | |
| qense | I'll be your Lucid environment :) | 19:46 |
| qense | hyperair: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libappindicator0-cil.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/libappindicator0-cil.md5sums | 19:46 |
| hyperair | hmm | 19:46 |
| hyperair | thanks | 19:47 |
| hyperair | heh. i thought it was weird. looks like dh_makeclilibs was being called in the wrong place. | 19:50 |
| hyperair | make: Circular binary/libappindicator0-cil <- binary-arch dependency dropped. | 19:52 |
| hyperair | this is what happened. | 19:52 |
| qense | ah | 19:52 |
| jcastro | vish: yo yo | 19:52 |
| qense | I think this happened because there is not much C# experience in the Ubuntu/Canonical Desktop team. | 19:52 |
| qense | They know what they're doing, but less when it's about Mono. ;) | 19:52 |
| hyperair | along with cdbs stupidity. | 19:52 |
| jcastro | that was before we had RAOF around. :D | 19:52 |
| vish | jcastro: heya > pm | 19:53 |
| hyperair | jcastro: tedg still doesn't know what he's doing regarding cli libs packaging >_> | 19:53 |
| hyperair | jcastro: which is why b-e-appind has missing dependencies, and needs to be rebuilt. | 19:54 |
| jcastro | hyperair: please file a bug on ted. | 19:54 |
| qense | jcastro: I filed a bug on hyperair :) | 19:54 |
| hyperair | jcastro: the bug that caused this wasn't policy breakage, but a failure in writing a proper debian/rules. | 19:54 |
| jcastro | ok | 19:55 |
| jcastro | what's up with the icon messed up for non-app-indicator tray? | 19:56 |
| jcastro | ALSO, I found a great tip | 19:56 |
| jcastro | since I now want my banshee there all the time I launch it at startup with "banshee-1 --quiet", FOR THE WIN. | 19:56 |
| hyperair | jcastro: that's a regression in gtk, the panel, the notification area, or the engine. | 19:56 |
| jcastro | hah, so situation "normal" | 19:56 |
| hyperair | jcastro: what's --quiet? | 19:56 |
| jcastro | it launches it minimized | 19:57 |
| jcastro | in the app indicator | 19:57 |
| hyperair | ah | 19:57 |
| hyperair | heh | 19:57 |
| qense | Like Rhythmbox does by default. | 19:57 |
| hyperair | i thought it was banshee-1 --hide | 19:57 |
| jcastro | oh dude, yeah, --hide, my bad | 19:57 |
| jcastro | I just checked | 19:57 |
| jcastro | qense: does it? | 19:57 |
| jcastro | I've not been able to find out how to do that | 19:57 |
| qense | jcastro: yes, it's a bug, supposedly reported but not solved | 19:57 |
| hyperair | lol | 19:57 |
| qense | hyperair: I thought it was a regression in all the things you named + the themes | 19:57 |
| jcastro | hey so if it's totally broken in the tray case then clearly we should ship with the app indicator on by default in ubuntu! | 19:57 |
| hyperair | qense: er right. that too, maybe | 19:57 |
| qense | jcastro: maybe it's an option in gconf-editor | 19:58 |
| hyperair | nooooooooooooooo | 19:58 |
| jcastro | hyperair: come on dude, it looks freaking great up there | 19:58 |
| jcastro | with the shiny new icon | 19:58 |
| hyperair | jcastro: the menu looks bad in my eyes. | 19:58 |
| jcastro | it's lovely | 19:58 |
| hyperair | jcastro: gimme back my scrolling superpowers and my tooltip and i'll gladly worship the appindicators. | 19:58 |
| qense | hyperair: the notification problems are quite severe and deep and nasty. There have been released fixes for that bug several times in several packages, but it still persists. | 19:58 |
| qense | hyperair: scrolling is back, at least in libindicator | 19:58 |
| jcastro | hmm yeah, in hindsight maybe it should have seperators like the rb one | 19:58 |
| jcastro | hyperair: we got the scrolling back for the system volume | 19:59 |
| qense | that was ugly | 19:59 |
| qense | :) | 19:59 |
| jcastro | maybe I can fix ted at UDS wrt. the music player volume | 19:59 |
| hyperair | changing tracks! | 19:59 |
| qense | that's inconsistency! | 19:59 |
| hyperair | it's rhythmbox being inconsistent | 19:59 |
| hyperair | if the volume indicator changes the volume, then it's only right that the media player changes the currently playing track | 20:00 |
| jcastro | oh you mean scrolling on the icon to change tracks | 20:00 |
| hyperair | it's logical. | 20:00 |
| hyperair | yes, that thing you hate so much | 20:00 |
| jcastro | do you know the history behind that feature? | 20:00 |
| jcastro | jimmac got one of those usb scrolly wheel things | 20:00 |
| hyperair | you told me once, but i don't really care much | 20:00 |
| jcastro | and wanted to use it, so they added that | 20:00 |
| hyperair | well. i want to use it with my mouse. | 20:00 |
| hyperair | it works perfectly in conjunction to my fat tooltip that shows me what song is currently playing | 20:01 |
| * jcastro has a keyboard key for that | 20:01 | |
| hyperair | scroll once, the current song updates | 20:01 |
| hyperair | don't like? scroll more | 20:01 |
| jcastro | hmmm | 20:01 |
| jcastro | hey | 20:01 |
| hyperair | keep in mind that not all keyboards have media keys | 20:01 |
| jcastro | notifications and keyboard shortcuts are broken for me | 20:01 |
| hyperair | my current usb keyboard doesn't. | 20:01 |
| jcastro | hyperair: yeah it's why I'm not strongly for or against it | 20:01 |
| hyperair | notifications? blame that on qense =p | 20:01 |
| jcastro | I still think it's crack | 20:01 |
| qense | notification cannot be broken | 20:02 |
| hyperair | i don't see an enable-notifications/disable-notifications option there | 20:02 |
| hyperair | qense: where's it on your menu? | 20:02 |
| qense | We removed that because it was redundant. | 20:02 |
| jcastro | oh wait | 20:02 |
| qense | too much clutter | 20:02 |
| jcastro | it works | 20:02 |
| qense | see! | 20:02 |
| jcastro | it's my keyboard shortcuts that are broken | 20:02 |
| hyperair | qense: but i want to *disable* it! | 20:02 |
| qense | It only doesn't work when you have the main window focussed. | 20:02 |
| hyperair | qense: because notify-osd leaks memory like hell when it's enabled. | 20:02 |
| qense | hyperair: there is a preference for in the extension, but I'm not sure where you can edit it. gconf? | 20:03 |
| qense | hyperair: use a different notification daemon! | 20:03 |
| hyperair | qense: no! notify-osd rocks! | 20:03 |
| hyperair | at least, UI-wise | 20:03 |
| hyperair | it sucks in terms of memory leakage | 20:03 |
| hyperair | and implementation wise, i think it was pretty messed up >_> | 20:03 |
| qense | In Banshee? | 20:03 |
| jcastro | didn't we just upload a new version? | 20:04 |
| hyperair | jcastro: the new version *still* sucks. | 20:04 |
| hyperair | qense: what? | 20:04 |
| qense | nvm | 20:04 |
| hyperair | jcastro: i compiled my notify-osd and now my volume notifications don't show up >_> | 20:04 |
| qense | We should reevaluate Notify OSD during the UDS. Especially considering the fact that GNOME Shell is persuing something very similar,. | 20:04 |
| jcastro | let's start with keyboard shortcuts | 20:05 |
| jcastro | are yours working? | 20:05 |
| qense | What shortcuts, for play and pause? | 20:06 |
| qense | What are they? | 20:06 |
| qense | The menu should be using the same GtkAction for PlayPause as the GtkStatusIcon. | 20:07 |
| hyperair | jcastro: yes they do, with karmic's notify-osd. everything. | 20:07 |
| jcastro | mine are busted in lucid | 20:09 |
| hyperair | jcastro: i think that's handled by gnome-settings-daemon | 20:09 |
| hyperair | jcastro: global media keys, right? | 20:10 |
| qense | That isn't something for the menu, iirc. | 20:10 |
| qense | the AppInd menu nor the GtkStatusIcon menu | 20:10 |
| hyperair | okay, for some strange reason, notify-osd is adding "notification-" in front of my volume icon names | 20:11 |
| hyperair | loading icon 'notification-notification-audio-volume-high' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-notification-audio-volume-high' not present in theme'loading icon 'notification-audio-volume-high' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-audio-volume-high' not present in theme'** (notify-osd:15339): DEBUG: [2010-04-11T03:11:51-00:00, gnome-settings-daemon, id:0, icon:notification-audio-volume-high (synchronous)] | 20:11 |
| hyperair | see? | 20:12 |
| qense | hyperair: did you install the new notify-osd-icons? | 20:12 |
| hyperair | qense: nonono, look at it properly. | 20:13 |
| hyperair | qense: look at the message. | 20:13 |
| qense | ah | 20:13 |
| hyperair | "loading Icon 'notification-notification-audio-volume-high'" | 20:13 |
| qense | what sound applet do you have? | 20:13 |
| hyperair | gnome-settings-daemon | 20:13 |
| hyperair | this is karmic | 20:13 |
| qense | maybe that's where the bug is. Maybe the notification- prefix was stripped in Lucid. | 20:14 |
| hyperair | perhaps it was | 20:17 |
| hyperair | but i can't find where it's prepended | 20:17 |
| hyperair | but in other news, i think i found where notify-osd is leaking!! | 20:17 |
| hyperair | =D | 20:17 |
| qense | yay! | 20:17 |
| hyperair | first it does g_memdup | 20:18 |
| hyperair | after that it passes the data to gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data | 20:18 |
| hyperair | but it doesn't give it a function to free the data | 20:18 |
| hyperair | so it's never freed | 20:19 |
| hyperair | which explains why my hi-res album art always screws around with notify-osd | 20:19 |
| hyperair | qense: #ifdef TEMPORARY_ICON_PREFIX_WORKAROUND | 20:22 |
| hyperair | I FOUND IT | 20:22 |
| qense | yay! | 20:28 |
| qense | hyperair: report, diff, report! | 20:28 |
| hyperair | heh | 20:28 |
| qense | hyperair: You want to speak to MacSlow, but he's in my timezone and mostly unavailable outside working hours. | 20:28 |
| hyperair | wait, this might not be it =\ | 20:29 |
| qense | anyway, I've been online for far too long already. I'm shutting down! | 20:30 |
| chrisccoulson_ | heh, i keep getting highlighted because of people talking about gnome-settings-daemon ;) | 20:37 |
| chrisccoulson_ | can you talk about something else? ;) | 20:38 |
| hyperair | we've stopped, i think. | 20:51 |
| hyperair | yay appind now works as expected, clilibs and all. | 23:18 |
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