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ryanakcaCan someone explain how I'd go about fixing bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/557220 ?00:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 557220 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "kubuntu splash using old logo" [Undecided,New]00:28
ryanakcamake in the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu source runs po2txt on a bunch of .po files and puts the output in boot/ , along with a 16x16 font and a background gradient. Nowhere do I see a logo :/00:30
ScottKlex79: I saw that.  That's great.  I queued several of the failing KDE packages for retry on ia64.00:32
ScottKryanakca: I don't think we use that anymore.  It's all plymouth-theme-something.00:33
ScottKSo that bug is probably against the wrong package.00:33
ScottKryanakca: Did you get my ping about libqinfinity being in?00:34
ryanakcaScottK: Yes00:34
ScottKOK.  Good.00:34
ryanakcaScottK: I'm testing the fix to your bug and a fix to another bug in the desktop file and then I'll ping someone in -qt-kde for an upload00:34
ScottKryanakca: Great.00:34
ryanakcawell, more like trying to build a package so I can test it, my build chroot doesn't seem to want to download packages at the moment.00:35
lex79I have others change in bzr for Qt but can wait maybe, I fixed one LP bug and I sync'd another patch from Debian which fixes a bug reported in the debian bug tracking00:37
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you figure out about the logo?00:39
JontheEchidnaScottK: nothing other than figuring out it's not in k-d-s anymore00:39
ScottKOK.00:40
lex79JontheEchidna: for kickoff ?00:40
JontheEchidnalex79: the panel icon for kickoff, yes00:40
lex79uhm, second00:40
lex79JontheEchidna00:42
lex79<lex79> apachelogger: after the updates today, I have this kickoff icon http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/229/kickoff.png00:42
lex79<apachelogger> lex79: yeah, someone didnt obey the icon spec00:42
lex79<apachelogger> lex79: you need to manually change it00:42
lex79<apachelogger> it was renamed00:42
lex79-*- apachelogger meant to send a mail about that00:42
lex79<apachelogger> .. more about the fact that we used an invalid icon name, rather than icons being broken ;)00:42
ryanakcaWhere can I find an SVG of http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_logotype_black.png ?00:42
lex79<lex79> apachelogger: but if you upgrade from karmic to lucid...does it work? or you have to change manually?00:42
lex79<apachelogger> obviously enough, I as an oxygen tech dude care more about the names than the broken icons :P00:42
lex79<apachelogger> lex79: change manually00:42
lex79<lex79> omg00:42
lex79<apachelogger> I suppose we could dump a plasma update script00:42
lex79<lex79> apachelogger: what's the name of the icon?00:42
lex79<apachelogger> lex79: start-here-kubuntu in places00:42
lex79sorry for the long paste lol00:43
* ryanakca casually points to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com ;D00:43
lex79:)00:43
ScottKlex79: Considering it's qt4-x11 is a ~26 hour build on armel, let's make sure we have all the stuff we need for release before we upload it again.00:53
ScottKit's/that00:53
lex79ok00:53
ScottKThanks.00:54
apacheloggeralways these highlights at 2 in the morning00:55
Tm_Tson00:55
apacheloggermom?00:56
lex79apachelogger: sorry, you can continue to sleep on the keyboard :D00:56
Tm_Tno he cant00:56
lex79poor00:58
apacheloggeryes00:58
apacheloggernow I must do fixing at 2 in the morning00:59
apacheloggerit is always the same with you guys00:59
seawolfhi all01:02
seawolflex79 pvt on moment ?01:03
lex79seawolf: ok01:03
* ryanakca is surprised plymouth doesn't use SVG instead of PNG images. Having a 241x88 logo on a huge screen may look kindof funny01:11
Tm_Tryanakca: with some 8-bit colours01:12
Tm_Tor something like that01:12
Tm_TnVidia <301:12
lex79should be 16bit to works well with Nvidia proprietary driver01:14
Tm_Tdunno, but whatever it is now, it looks really ugly01:14
lex79yeah01:14
lex79http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html01:15
Tm_Thmm, I have good old grub, not grub201:16
* apachelogger scratches ear01:16
apacheloggerlex79: can you drop a bug report about that update-my-kickoff-icon-stuff01:17
apacheloggerin case I fall asleep again and cant remember when i wake up01:17
lex79apachelogger: where's?01:18
apacheloggerkds01:18
lex79ok01:19
* ryanakca reboots to test the Kubuntu plymouth logo01:27
apacheloggerlex79: I think I already have an update script01:34
apacheloggerBUT01:34
apacheloggerit seems kickoff's realodconfig implementaiton is either not existing or bugged01:34
lex79figured, probably bugged :)01:35
apacheloggerwell01:36
apacheloggerfolderview didnt have one01:36
apacheloggerchances are kickoff doesnt either01:36
apacheloggerlex79: doesnt have the appropriate interface01:42
lex79:( this means no chances to fix?01:43
apacheloggereasy enough to implement for the icon01:43
apacheloggerin fact it would be rather easy for all of kickoff's config settings01:44
apacheloggerits not like it got more than 3 ;)01:44
lex79:)01:44
apacheloggerlex79: sounds like something you could do and push to reviewboard ;)01:45
apacheloggerlex79: do we have a report already?01:45
lex79apachelogger: nope01:45
apacheloggerI CANT COMMIT WITHOUT REPORT :P01:46
* lex79 points to JontheEchidna to write a report01:47
lex79:P01:47
JontheEchidnareport the missing icon?01:48
apacheloggerthe icon is not missing01:48
apacheloggerit was renamed :P01:48
apacheloggersomeone just dump the stuff in a report an nominate and target for lucid and assign to me so that I do not forget about this :P01:49
lex79JontheEchidna: so now the icon is wrong01:49
JontheEchidnawhat do I file it against?01:50
apacheloggerkds01:50
apacheloggerand also mark it affects workspace while you are at it01:50
apacheloggerrequires kickoff patch01:50
apacheloggerlex79: so, do you want to implement that configChanged for kickoff for upstream?01:51
lex79dunno if I'm able, I have to look in the code, and in this moment I'm quite busy01:52
lex79but I can look tomorrow01:52
apacheloggerlex79: plasma/desktop/applets/kickoff/applet/applet.[cpp,h]01:53
apacheloggerin workspace01:53
apacheloggerfor "inspiration" take a look at my kdebase patch for folderview01:53
lex79ok thanks01:54
CIA-6kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410005541-v7kh4m9bff6esi3d kubuntu-default-settings/ (2 files in 2 dirs):01:55
CIA-6kubuntu: * Add plasma-desktop update script 02-kubuntu-menu-icon.js to migrate01:55
CIA-6kubuntu:  from wrongly named kubuntu-menu to start-here-kubuntu icon (LP: #559725)01:55
CIA-6kubuntu:  + This requires a configChanged() interface to be implemented in kickoff01:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 559725 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu "start here" icon moved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55972501:55
apacheloggerthat might have been the quickest fix ever01:56
JontheEchidna^.^01:57
* apachelogger goes to bed01:58
apacheloggercya in 4 hours or so ^^01:59
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 9 left to fix!
ryanakcaI've commited a fix for bug 557220 to the kds branch, can a couple of people test it and provide feedback please? (copy kds/lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png to /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png && update-initramfs -u)02:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 557220 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "kubuntu splash using old logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55722002:27
ryanakcaHmmm... is kubuntu-devel@lists.u.c an appropriate place to forward Kubuntu fanmail to?03:19
jjesseyes totally03:19
jussi01hrm, now we are unfrozen, can someone please sync qutecome across from debian?09:49
jussi01!info qutecom09:50
ubottuqutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2~rc3.hg396~dfsg1-2build1 (karmic), package size 3423 kB, installed size 9728 kB09:50
jussi01!info qutecom lucid09:50
ubottuqutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2~rc3.hg396~dfsg1-5build1 (lucid), package size 3359 kB, installed size 9488 kB09:50
jussi01!info qutecom unstable09:51
ubottuqutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2~rc3.hg396~dfsg1-6 (unstable), package size 2769 kB, installed size 8104 kB09:51
Tm_Tnice diff in sizes09:52
* apachelogger slept in !10:08
apacheloggeromg !10:08
apacheloggertoday rain 11 C, tomorrow rain 9 C, monday rain 8 C10:09
apacheloggerI do not like the weather widget10:09
Tm_T+2 °C10:09
jussi01apachelogger: lol10:16
jussi01http://weather.willab.fi/weather.html.fi10:17
Tm_TI wish we would get some snow soon10:18
jussi01Tm_T: not gonna happen10:18
apacheloggerbrrr10:18
Tm_Tjussi01: wouldn't be first time, it's not uncommon to have snow in june10:18
apacheloggeroh coldlyness10:19
Tm_Tjussi01: also, you are aware that plasma weather widgets can use willab weather ion (data source) ?10:19
apacheloggerconsidering Graz is rather southish, I find the weather here way too cold in comparision with jussi01's10:20
jussi01Tm_T: no, I wasnt aware10:20
Tm_Tjussi01: hmm, I wonder if you could get it to use easily... http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/ions/willab/10:21
jussi01Tm_T: we are unfrozen no, you could get t packaged :P10:22
Tm_Twhy me?10:22
jussi01apachelogger: yeah, I would really love some nce warm weather...10:23
apacheloggerTm_T: because you are nice and awesome and beautiful and cool and handsome and very good at packaging10:25
Tm_Tone of those is not true10:26
apacheloggeroh, hold on, that was me10:26
Tm_Tyup, you're the handsome10:26
apacheloggersorry for the confusion :P10:26
mcascan anyone tell me the deadline for the translation of kubuntu-docs?10:51
CIA-6kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410095248-q3m5uftfzbnrzyd0 kubuntu-default-settings/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug in 02-kubuntu-menu-icon.js that prevents execution10:52
apacheloggermcas: there isnt?10:53
apacheloggerwhat does not land on the CD gets distributed via updates I suppose10:53
mcasah ok10:53
apacheloggerthat said, I am not sure -docs translations land on the CD to begin with10:53
mcasi thought there is a deadline for a rosetta export10:54
apacheloggerwell10:55
apacheloggermcas: do you happen to know in what package the -docs translations would end up?10:55
mcasi have no idea sorry10:56
apacheloggeralways these over informed translators :P10:57
apacheloggerwell, lets have a look10:57
neversfeldekubuntu-docs looks promising :)10:57
apacheloggerneversfelde: that would be weird considering the deployment strategy appied to the rest of l10n10:57
apacheloggermcas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline10:58
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule10:58
apacheloggerin 5 days10:58
apacheloggerit would seem at least ^^10:58
mcasthx apachelogger10:59
apacheloggeranyone with karmic and apt-file around?11:06
CIA-6kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410100930-bikzf3gnap6l0x4y kdebase-workspace/debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs):11:09
CIA-6kubuntu: Add kubuntu_03_kickoff_configchanged.diff to add a simplified configChanged11:09
CIA-6kubuntu: interface to kickoff, so that we can temper with it's config via scripts.11:09
CIA-6kubuntu: As done in kubuntu-default-settings for LP: #55972511:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 559725 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu "start here" icon moved" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55972511:09
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ryanakca[Repeat:] I've commited a fix for bug 557220 to the kds branch, can a couple of people test it and provide feedback please? (copy kds/lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png to /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png && update-initramfs -u) ... You'll need to reboot to see it.13:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 557220 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "kubuntu splash using old logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55722013:26
JontheEchidnaryanakca: we13:30
JontheEchidnawe've had the new logo for a week or so already13:30
JontheEchidnaryanakca: the new one you put in the latest k-d-s is clipped at the bottom, too :(13:34
JontheEchidnaI think bug 557220 is unrelated to k-d-s13:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 557220 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "kubuntu splash using old logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55722013:34
apacheloggeraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah13:37
* apachelogger hates it when libs are all wrong packaged13:37
apacheloggerwhatever happend to jr?13:38
apachelogger:(13:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: dude! say we have a package that contains a binary and shared data, now it turns out the asscoiated library actually requires the data files, not the binary, would you move the data files into the library package or create a -data package?13:39
apacheloggerlets say 7 files13:40
* persia things the decision should always be made on the basis of space in /usr/share vs. /usr/lib rather than on the number of files.13:40
* apachelogger would go for a -data package for the sake of proper strucutre, but is afraid that might be a bit too much considering the binary package is then rather empty13:40
apacheloggerpersia: well it is just about in which package the files shoudl be seeded13:41
apacheloggerwhich either is inside the lib package OR in a -data package that is dependet upon by the lib package13:42
persiaRIght.  I think the decision should be made based on space.  If you've several megabytes of data files, put them in their own package.  If you have 500 1K files, don't bother.13:42
JontheEchidna^yeah, that's my opinion as well13:42
apacheloggerk, thanks :)13:42
* apachelogger loves fixing bugs13:47
ryanakcaapachelogger: OK. There is however no logo in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu. Only a background gradient, a font and a bunch of translations/.po files.13:53
apacheloggerryanakca: I think you mean JontheEchidna13:53
ryanakcaapachelogger: Aye, sorry13:53
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: if you look at the logo in k-d-s, there's quite a bit of empty transparent padding at the bottom. I can however try moving the logo up relative to the padding. What package do you think I should be looking at?13:54
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: I'm out for the day, if plymouth-themes-kubuntu-logo is infact the correct package, I'll fix the cut bottom when I get back tonight.14:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: opinions on bug # 553484?14:05
apacheloggerbug 55348414:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 553484 in kubuntu-meta "Reconsider ooo draw on CD" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55348414:05
apacheloggerdid someone break kmenuedit?14:09
apacheloggerwell14:10
apacheloggerI have a superior cool way to get rid of menu entries ;)14:10
CIA-6kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410131753-rp2n0vw27e0y2j9w kubuntu-default-settings/ (5 files in 5 dirs):14:17
CIA-6kubuntu: * Add a kubuntu.menu file in the standard XDG merge path. This allows us14:17
CIA-6kubuntu:  to control menu content without actually patching the main menu file.14:17
CIA-6kubuntu:  + Please note that this *only* affects the menu. The excluded entries will14:17
CIA-6kubuntu:  still show up in KRunner and the like.14:17
CIA-6kubuntu: * Use aforementioned menu file to get rid off systemsettings from the menu,14:17
CIA-6kubuntu:  the plasma implementation is failing to do it properly (LP: #553478)14:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 553478 in kdebase-workspace "systemsettings wasting space in kickoff" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55347814:18
apacheloggeroh my14:24
apacheloggerthe rosetta UI first loads all languages and then filters out the one I selected in my profile14:25
apacheloggerwhat a waste of resources :(14:25
ScottKryanakca and JontheEchidna: ryanakca's logo change is uploaded, so please decide if it needs reverting or what?15:04
ScottKNice.  I see the bzr system works.  apachelogger thanks for uploading my workspace changes.15:12
=== evilshadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer
shadeslayeris knotify compatible with libnotify116:01
ScottKshadeslayer: What are you trying to accomplish?16:03
shadeslayerScottK: im trying to get irssi and knotify to work together16:04
shadeslayerand grawity in #irssi says that it needs to be compatible with libnotify to work16:04
ScottKshadeslayer: For Kubuntu KDE 4.3 and later, yes.  For upstream KDE 4.4 and later, yes.16:05
shadeslayerok :)16:05
apacheloggerScottK: you're welcome16:08
ScottKNice when things work out.16:08
* apachelogger notes that he refuses to do any programming as long as api.kde.org is down16:10
apacheloggeralso, I mentioned that we shall create the fancy apidox with fancy packaging magic, but that was not wanted :/16:10
apacheloggerhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/sets/72157608562200171/16:12
apacheloggersomehow I have a feeling he is running out of stuff to complain about ^^16:12
ScottKWould some PPA oriented person please go fix Bug 519751 in the Karmic PPA.16:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 519751 in python-qt3 "Can't install python-qt3 with ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta in the sources list for APT" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51975116:15
* apachelogger is blogging16:16
shadeslayerScottK: yayy.. irssi+Knotify is awesome :D16:20
apacheloggermirc is awesomer16:20
shadeslayer:D16:20
shadeslayerand im switching back to nouveau16:21
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I wonder if we can somehow port mIRC into Linux16:24
apacheloggerwe can always rewrite in qt16:25
apacheloggeroh16:25
apacheloggerthat reminds me, I wanted to rewrite incredimail in Qt ^^16:25
lex79apachelogger: I'm looking at your patch to learn a bit :)16:26
apacheloggerwhich one?16:27
lex79kubuntu_03_kickoff_configchanged.diff16:27
apacheloggeroh16:27
apacheloggerthat is nothing to be looked at ;)16:27
apacheloggerit works, but that is it16:27
lex79apachelogger: I saw this http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/applets/system-monitor/temperature.cpp?r1=1088785&r2=1088784&pathrev=108878516:27
ScottKHe didn't say he was learning good things16:27
lex79ScottK: yeah :)16:28
apacheloggerlex79: you would need to implement it for more than just the icon16:28
apacheloggerif a plasmoid has but one setting, this way of implementing it might be a good way (though IMHO it does nothing more than waste resources at ini16:29
apacheloggerinit16:29
apacheloggerah16:32
* apachelogger is not in the mood for blogging16:33
* apachelogger goes into standby mode16:33
* lex79 too16:33
jtechidnaScottK, ryanakca: I uploaded a reverted package earlier this morning. (Since the artwork was identical, except this one had bugs)16:58
ScottKjtechidna: OK.  So it's resovled.  Great.  Thanks.16:58
jtechidnahad to pretty much run out the door afterwards, so I didn't get a chance to say so in IRC until now16:59
txwikingerwow.. this upgrade really went well!!!!!!17:02
txwikingergood work everybody17:02
jtechidnaany thoughts on bug 274150? We can probably spare 2.5 MiB for kdepim docs now17:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274150 in kdepim "kmail doesn't include online help" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27415017:13
jtechidnaapachelogger: on Draw, I'm not sure17:16
lex79how space is required for Draw?17:20
jtechidnaIt's already on the CD, and Impress needs it. This is more about hiding the desktop entry17:22
jtechidnait takes up 2.2 MiB space, though17:24
lex79no chances to put digikam? :(17:31
jtechidnaI think there should be a UDS session "How to waste 30 MB of space" :P17:34
jtechidnabbl17:35
lex79lol indeed17:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: translations are the lovlier17:43
ofirkamichair: are you here?18:02
claydohwas ktorrent removed from the beta livecd?18:05
ofirkapachelogger: are you here?18:07
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JontheEchidnaclaydoh: was removed in the early alphas for space reasons. I think it should be put back on personally18:16
* apachelogger never thought it suited TBH18:17
apacheloggeras usual l10n > ;)18:17
ofirkapachelogger: I am working on the kubuntu branding in kickoff18:18
apacheloggerofirk: still :D18:18
ofirkapachelogger: I followed the instructions you gave yesterday and now the kubuntu logo is gone18:18
ofirkapachelogger: lol, no. I was out all day :)18:18
apacheloggerthen you did something wrong :P18:19
ofirkI deleted all is in .kde/.../kpc and since than there is no icon18:19
ofirk*logo18:19
ofirkis there a way to regenerate the cache?18:19
apacheloggeryes18:21
apacheloggerrestart kickoff18:21
ofirkI will try it18:21
apacheloggerofirk: starting plasma == restarting kickoff18:22
apacheloggerbtw18:22
apachelogger:)18:22
* apachelogger finds it hard to write while watching a movie ^^18:22
claydohJontheEchidna: thanks! some questions in the forums on it, my guess was correct18:24
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: find it a bit ironic that Plasma is removing the zooming stuff in 4.5?18:33
JontheEchidnaI lol'd18:34
apacheloggerlol18:34
apacheloggerthey are?18:34
apacheloggerOo18:34
JontheEchidnayeah18:34
* apachelogger giggles18:34
apacheloggergood thing we got beaten up for considering it unsable in 4.1 :P18:34
evilshadeslayerthey are?18:38
evilshadeslayerit was stupid anyways18:38
evilshadeslayerFeature : 1) 'Zoom' Into your plasma/Desktop :P18:38
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: JontheEchidna : http://meancheese.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ubuntu-wine2-1024x768.jpg18:39
evilshadeslayerthats bound to make ubuntu famous :)18:40
JontheEchidnaheh18:40
evilshadeslayerbut its $ 9.9518:40
* evilshadeslayer likes his K/Ubuntu $018:40
evilshadeslayeranyone free enough to look at some build errors?18:44
evilshadeslayeror is everyone gone for bug hunting :)18:45
evilshadeslayers/is/has18:45
Tm_Tevilshadeslayer: what errors?18:45
evilshadeslayerTm_T: one sec18:45
* ScottK waits for Tm_T's powerpc report.18:45
ScottKJontheEchidna: Is attica 0.1.3 bugfix and do we want it?18:46
evilshadeslayerTm_T: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+build/162498818:46
JontheEchidnaScottK: yes and yes. was meaning to do that yesterday, but I never got around to it18:46
* ScottK pokes JontheEchidna to get busy.18:47
JontheEchidna;)18:47
JontheEchidnaScottK: attica falls in the realm of "things I still cannot upload" (tm), so I'll need assistance with that18:48
JontheEchidnaspeaking of, has anything further happened with either a) my application or b) fixing kubuntu-dev?18:48
ScottKLet me find out.18:48
evilshadeslayerTm_T: i cant figure out what im doing wrong18:49
lex79JontheEchidna: is it too late to for knh translation? it's not translated yet here :(18:50
evilshadeslayerTm_T: also how do i disable these 'Tests' and what do they do?18:50
JontheEchidnalex79: you have until April 2218:51
Tm_Tevilshadeslayer: tests are, well, tests, not needed for users18:52
ScottKevilshadeslayer: What you do is figure out why they failed and fix them.18:52
evilshadeslayerScottK: i cant figure out why they failed! thats why im asking :)18:52
lex79JontheEchidna: good, should I grab po in es/ folder and translate?18:52
ScottKevilshadeslayer: OK.  Just disabling them isn't the right answer.18:52
evilshadeslayerScottK: i agree...18:53
evilshadeslayerScottK: what are these called exactly?18:53
JontheEchidnalex79: I don't know how up-to-date that pot is.18:53
JontheEchidnaThis is up to date though:  https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+pots/notificationhelper/it/+translate18:53
evilshadeslayer( i can then haggle with google :P )18:53
ofirkapachelogger: the logo size is determined in /home/vm/.kde/cache-vm/plasma-svgelements-default18:53
ScottKevilshadeslayer: I didn't look at your exact error, so I don't know.18:53
ScottKENOTIME18:54
evilshadeslayeroh.. /usr/bin/ctest --force-new-ctest-process18:54
evilshadeslayerits called ctest18:54
JontheEchidnaevilshadeslayer: rekonq?18:54
evilshadeslayerJontheEchidna: yep18:54
JontheEchidnaevilshadeslayer: the kubuntu packaging has a patch to disable those tests for our build18:54
evilshadeslayeroh..18:54
* evilshadeslayer looks18:54
evilshadeslayerah right :)18:55
evilshadeslayerJontheEchidna: can you tell me why?18:55
lex79JontheEchidna: ah, so do I have to translate in launchpad?18:55
evilshadeslayer( like why the tests fail )18:55
JontheEchidnaevilshadeslayer: it causes FTBFS :P18:55
evilshadeslayerJontheEchidna: hehe :D18:55
evilshadeslayerJontheEchidna: i can see that xD18:55
JontheEchidnalex79: otherwise I'd have to do an upload of k-n-h itself18:56
lex79ok18:56
JontheEchidnalex79: thanks :)18:56
* evilshadeslayer goes and repacks stuff for upload18:56
lex79:)18:56
evilshadeslayeroh my my....18:57
evilshadeslayer5 Days... :o18:57
lex79JontheEchidna: uhmmm :) "Set of default screensavers" means a collection of screensaver?19:03
lex79+s19:03
JontheEchidnalex79: yeah19:03
JontheEchidnalex79: if you don't have kscreensaver installed and you open up the screensaver kcm, it will prompt you for installing the extra screensavers19:04
JontheEchidnaFor 10.10 I should put more context messages in there19:05
lex79yeah I know, I'm wondering why use "set" instead of "collection" like in package description19:05
JontheEchidnalex79: dunno, ask apachelogger19:05
JontheEchidnaboth are fine in English though19:05
lex79k19:05
apacheloggera collection is striving for completion, a set is not ;)19:06
apacheloggeranyhow, I would reason it like this: you have a default set of icons, not a default collection of icons, you however have a music collection and not a music set19:08
apacheloggeror a set of music for that matter19:08
ofirkapachelogger: the original svg is 100x28 but the displayed one is 145x3019:09
ofirkapachelogger: the logo size is determined in /home/vm/.kde/cache-vm/plasma-svgelements-default19:09
ofirkapachelogger: but this is only cache...19:09
apacheloggernope it is not19:09
ofirk:(19:09
apacheloggerthat file is created as a cache :P19:09
apacheloggerthe size is determined somewhere within the belly of the monster called plamsa I suppose ;)19:10
apacheloggerconsidering it differs form the SVG one19:10
* ScottK is AFK for some time.19:13
ofirkapachelogger: do you know how to change its size?19:16
apacheloggerofirk: try #plasma19:17
neversfeldeI updated digikam to 1.2, it is in staging. I think it is too late to bring it to lucid, shall I copy it to the backports ppa?19:38
apachelogger!info digikam lucid19:41
ubottudigikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.1.0-1ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 7517 kB, installed size 32624 kB19:41
neversfelde!info kipi-plugins19:42
apacheloggerneversfelde: backports for the time being19:42
ubottukipi-plugins (source: kipi-plugins): image manipulation/handling plugins for KIPI aware programs. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.0-1ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 2824 kB, installed size 17672 kB19:42
neversfelde!info kipi-plugins lucid19:42
ubottukipi-plugins (source: kipi-plugins): image manipulation/handling plugins for KIPI aware programs. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 2092 kB, installed size 18672 kB19:42
neversfeldereally old :/19:42
apacheloggerneversfelde: you should a) get hold of upstream and ask gilles if he is sure enough that it is enough free of regressions to drop it in lucid at this point b) try to reach lure and ask what he thinks19:43
apacheloggerI rather have a bit of regression in 1.2 that can be resolved via SRUs than a 1.1 of which upstream thinks it is crap TBH19:43
apacheloggerultimately upstream will have to support it anyway19:44
JontheEchidnacan haz sponsorz for http://jmthomas.toniox.org/attica_0.1.3-0ubuntu1.dsc ?19:45
apacheloggerno19:46
JontheEchidnaD:19:46
apacheloggernot without debdiff19:46
neversfeldeapachelogger: do you know, which nick gilles uses on freenode?19:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: of the packaging, or the whole thing?19:46
apacheloggerneversfelde: that made me giggle right ther :D19:47
apacheloggergillescaulier19:47
apacheloggerunless he changed19:47
apacheloggerneversfelde: there #digikam btw19:47
apachelogger+is19:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ulll and everything19:48
Tm_TScottK: bah, I keep struggling with my hardware, this is no fun19:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you are too slow though19:48
neversfeldeapachelogger: ?19:48
apacheloggerneversfelde: ??19:48
neversfelde???19:48
neversfelde:)19:48
apachelogger????19:49
apachelogger:P19:49
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: http://jmthomas.toniox.org/zomgdebdiff.diff19:49
apacheloggerzomg!19:49
apacheloggernow I has 2 diffs19:49
* apachelogger diffs the diffs19:49
neversfeldeI'll try to reach lure first, as he is responsible for the digikam and kipi packages usually19:49
apacheloggeromg19:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: your debdiff is all wrong19:50
apacheloggerhttp://pastebin.ca/185910019:50
apacheloggerthat is quite unreadable19:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: needs freature freeze exception19:51
apachelogger+ - Add possibility to get Licenses from server19:51
apachelogger+ - Add search for contents by username19:51
apachelogger+ - Add convenience function to get list of download links and fix some related strings19:51
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: but nothing uses these functions19:51
Tm_TScottK: ok, now I get rw erased, will try to burn one too19:52
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: and therefore no risk19:52
JontheEchidnawell, KDE 4.5 uses these functions, but we don't has19:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze for new upstream versions19:52
JontheEchidnanone is needed for bugfix releases19:53
apacheloggerIf you want to introduce a new upstream version with new features and/or ABI/API changes, please19:53
apacheloggerthose are API changes, probably even ABI19:53
apacheloggerwhich leads me to the question what ever happened to the symbols file :)19:53
JontheEchidnaas long as it's just api additions there won't be any abi breakage19:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the wiki page does not talk about breaks it specifically talkes about changes to either the API or the ABI19:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: just drop some quick report and dump the diff in and run it by someone from ubuntu-release19:57
JontheEchidnagah, this is BS considering they'll just wave their hand and say that it's ok to upload19:57
debfxScottK: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222110#c619:58
apacheloggeryeah, still :(19:58
ubottuKDE bug 222110 in kcm_randr "Revert the change in display not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed]19:58
JontheEchidnabug 56021620:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 560216 in attica "FFe: new upstream release (attica 0.1.3)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56021620:01
JontheEchidnaimo upstream should have done attica 0.1.2.120:02
JontheEchidnathen crammed all the new shiz in a 0.1.320:02
* apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a cookie and tells him about how apachelogger is going to draw a lynx no20:04
apacheloggerw20:04
JontheEchidnaomg, release wallpapa?20:04
apacheloggeryeah20:06
apacheloggerincredibly difficult this time20:06
apacheloggerI only have half the space !!! :(20:07
apacheloggerI think I will go into modern art this time20:12
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apacheloggerkubotu: remind me to buy booze tomorrow20:27
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help remind'20:27
apacheloggerthat release walpaper drawing is serious business20:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: suggestions?20:32
JontheEchidnauuuuuuh20:32
JontheEchidnabreakfast links! (sausage)20:32
JontheEchidna== breakfast lynx?20:33
JontheEchidnanom20:33
apacheloggerlolo lovelypuzzycat20:33
JontheEchidnaalso, Russel T Davies must destroy the universe20:36
apacheloggerOHHHHHH20:37
apacheloggerMY20:37
apacheloggerDOCTOR20:37
apacheloggerthat is a rather awesome idea indeed20:37
macowhat what20:37
* apachelogger boots the old representation of archive reorg und introduces rtd20:37
macoi saw OHHHHH MY DOCTOR20:37
macoand figured it had to be whovian20:37
JontheEchidna:P20:38
JontheEchidnaRTD is like the British Michael Bay, but with better writing skillz20:39
* apachelogger doesnt know miachel bay20:40
JontheEchidnahttp://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/michael-bay-presents-explosions.html20:41
apacheloggerwhat ther friend is explosions20:41
apacheloggeroh20:42
apacheloggerflash20:42
apacheloggermaybe I should put the ipad, multitasking and flash on the walpper ^^20:42
tsimpsondon't worry, that link only works for those in the US20:43
JontheEchidnaoh, damn20:43
JontheEchidnaanyways, Michael Bay did the new transformer movies, and loves explosions20:44
tsimpsongoogle :) http://videosift.com/video/Michael-Bay-presents-EXPLOSIONS20:45
apacheloggerohhhhhhh20:48
apacheloggerexplosions20:48
apacheloggerthere aint is much reason to go see the transformer movies except for handsome lads, boobies and explosions20:49
* apachelogger had completely forgottenabout the IRCCC meeting ^^21:01
Sputapachelogger: isn't boobies and explosions the main reason to go to the cinema?21:02
apacheloggerprobably21:03
apacheloggermight explain why am not going very often :P21:03
ScottKdebfx: I saw.  That's excellent.  I'll try it out tonight or tomorrow.  Thanks.21:08
* ScottK thinks everyone should hug debfx.21:09
ScottKJontheEchidna and apachelogger: attica FFe granted.21:09
ScottKTm_T: OK.  Let me know if you manage to test it.  nixternal is slacking.21:10
Tm_TScottK: I'm about to boot for testing as soon as meeting is over21:10
ScottKExcellent.21:11
* lex79 hugs debfx21:11
lex79ScottK: eric from unstable?21:11
ScottKlex79: Yes.21:11
ScottKPretty much always want the latest Eric.21:12
lex79I'm going to do a testbuild21:12
lex79ScottK: in unstable they split translations in several sources tarball21:14
lex79http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/eric21:14
ScottKlex79: Ouch.21:14
lex79we have to go with Testing version21:15
ScottKWell see if you can work it out.  If it needs to go through binary New in Ubuntu, I can push it through.21:15
lex79ok21:15
ScottKBetter that than what we have, but surely you can manage.21:15
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, ScottK: uploaded21:17
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: thx21:17
ScottKapachelogger: Great.21:18
lex79ScottK: should I open a FFe for each source packages? @_@21:19
ScottKlex79: No.  One is fine.21:19
ScottKlex79: The main thing is to get it tested.21:19
Tm_TScottK: bah, wrong channel21:20
ScottKTm_T: The Beta 2 ones.21:21
Tm_Thmmmmm21:21
ScottKi did't check to see if we have later.  If we do, those would be fine too.21:21
lex79apachelogger: maybe you can upload the fox for bug 55406921:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554069 in xscreensaver "xscreensaver activated on kubuntu after upgrade to lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55406921:21
lex79:-*21:21
lex79ehm...the fix and not the fox21:21
Tm_TScottK: ubuntu-desktop?21:22
ScottKLet me get you a link21:22
Tm_Thrrr21:22
Tm_Tnot my day21:23
apacheloggerlex79: foxes are like brown wolves21:23
ScottKTm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/lucid/beta-2/ - the desktop one21:24
lex79I know apachelogger :)21:24
ScottKTm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/lucid/beta-2/kubuntu-10.04-beta2-desktop-powerpc.iso21:24
Tm_TScottK: thanks21:25
* ScottK resumes his travels. See you later.21:25
Tm_TScottK: have fun21:25
apacheloggerkubotu: np21:25
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Diamonds Are a Girls Best Friend" by Marilyn Monroe [The Very Best of Marilyn Monroe, 2001] [http://open.spotify.com/track/4tRUSA0BBn5DhjRpKcBy8a] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more21:25
lex79apachelogger: if you can upload with your magic power also a fox, do it lol21:25
apacheloggerlex79: 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file xscreensaver-5.10/debian/changelog.rej21:26
lex79weird21:26
* apachelogger can upload everywhere21:27
apachelogger!info xscreensaver lucid21:27
apacheloggerlex79: not weird at all21:27
ubottuxscreensaver (source: xscreensaver): Automatic screensaver for X. In component main, is optional. Version 5.10-3ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 270 kB, installed size 2176 kB21:27
lex79maybe I diff with an old version21:27
apacheloggermaybe21:27
apacheloggerno21:28
apacheloggeryou created that on sun and don tue ubuntu2 was uploaded21:28
apacheloggerof course not looking at the bug reprts and checking for other fixes :P21:28
lex79apachelogger: I'll reupload it to LP21:30
apacheloggerlex79: you are also too slow21:30
apacheloggergo sob in a corner together with JontheEchidna :P21:30
lex79omg21:30
apacheloggerkubotu: np21:31
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Genesis" by Justice [Cross] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0bHUSuO7EFH1ZpcQdqRL6W] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more21:31
neversfeldelex79: did you ever see a kmldonkey 2.0.5 somewhere? It should be on ktown, but it isn't.21:31
lex79nope, did you check also in kde ftp?21:32
neversfeldelex79: what is kde ftp?21:32
lex79neversfelde: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/21:33
neversfeldelex79: thanks and no, it is 2.0.2 there. I will ask again.21:34
lex79ok21:34
lex79apachelogger: thanks21:37
apacheloggeroh21:50
* apachelogger finds lp UI totally counterintuitive21:50
apacheloggeranyhow21:50
apacheloggerlex79: you should assign sponsors for main  really21:50
apacheloggereh21:50
apacheloggersubscribe21:50
apacheloggersubscribing to core-dev is not going to cause much movement21:51
lex79I subscribed the bug to core-dev? I wrong...21:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/d_a7iSX.html21:54
apacheloggerthis modern art crap is totally difficult21:54
lex79LoL21:54
apacheloggerstill need to bring i opportunistics, yahoo, rtd and the unvierse, and probably more buttons21:55
apacheloggeralso, was kubuntu development that uneventful?21:55
lex79is there no space for Hannah Montana?21:56
* apachelogger cant really remember anything that would be suited for the release wally21:56
apacheloggerlex79: no!!!!21:57
lex79bad21:58
apacheloggerwell, somewhere maybe21:58
lex79for a canoe?21:58
apacheloggerwe have loads of free space on the right ;)21:58
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: omg~ ponies22:33
neversfeldewhere?22:33
JontheEchidna[16:54:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/d_a7iSX.html22:33
neversfeldewahh22:34
lex79It's my birthday! \o/23:07
apacheloggeroh23:07
apacheloggerohhhhhhhh23:08
lex79oh23:08
apacheloggerlex79: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!23:08
* apachelogger hugs and cuddles lex7923:08
lex79thank you :)23:08
apacheloggerkubotu: order birthday package for lex7923:08
* kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.23:08
* kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to lex79 and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.23:08
kubotuHappy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday lex79, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!23:08
kubotuHappy Birthday lex79 :D23:08
kubotuTo your health!23:08
apachelogger\o/23:08
lex79:D23:08
lex79apachelogger: btw Limonciello complains about my change in xscreensaver23:09
lex79:)23:09
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: It's lex79's birthday!!! | Kubuntu Developer Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 9 left to fix!
apacheloggersuper mario!23:10
apacheloggerI do agree with him though23:10
apacheloggerthing is, since this is the fix debian applied, it is the most sensible one to do23:10
apacheloggerit probably would be best to have the desktop file say NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; I suppose23:11
lex79yes23:11
apacheloggerand I think that the desktop entry spec should be enhanced to take running processes into account23:11
apacheloggerso you can go: show the knm menu entry UNLESS knm is running, same for klipper and krandrtary, and same here23:12
apacheloggerrun that nice xscreensaver unless another screensaver is running23:12
lex79apachelogger: NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; means it doesn't start automatically? but you can see it in the menu?23:19
apacheloggerlex79: since it is in the autostart folder you wouldnt see it in the menu eitherway23:20
apacheloggerbut yes notShowIn should prevent it from being autostarted23:20
apachelogger...granted that is the right key23:20
apacheloggerkubotu: google desktop entry spec23:20
kubotuResults for desktop entry spec: 1. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ | 2. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html | 3. freedesktop.org - Specifications/desktop-entry-spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec23:20
apacheloggeryeah notshowin23:21
lex79k23:21
Tm_TScottK: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kubuntu-lucid-beta2-ppc_1.png for quick explanation what's apparent wrong here, other seems to work as excpected23:56

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