[00:28] <ryanakca> Can someone explain how I'd go about fixing bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/557220 ?
[00:30] <ryanakca> make in the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu source runs po2txt on a bunch of .po files and puts the output in boot/ , along with a 16x16 font and a background gradient. Nowhere do I see a logo :/
[00:32] <ScottK> lex79: I saw that.  That's great.  I queued several of the failing KDE packages for retry on ia64.
[00:33] <ScottK> ryanakca: I don't think we use that anymore.  It's all plymouth-theme-something.
[00:33] <ScottK> So that bug is probably against the wrong package.
[00:34] <ScottK> ryanakca: Did you get my ping about libqinfinity being in?
[00:34] <ryanakca> ScottK: Yes
[00:34] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[00:34] <ryanakca> ScottK: I'm testing the fix to your bug and a fix to another bug in the desktop file and then I'll ping someone in -qt-kde for an upload
[00:34] <ScottK> ryanakca: Great.
[00:35] <ryanakca> well, more like trying to build a package so I can test it, my build chroot doesn't seem to want to download packages at the moment.
[00:37] <lex79> I have others change in bzr for Qt but can wait maybe, I fixed one LP bug and I sync'd another patch from Debian which fixes a bug reported in the debian bug tracking
[00:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you figure out about the logo?
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: nothing other than figuring out it's not in k-d-s anymore
[00:40] <ScottK> OK.
[00:40] <lex79> JontheEchidna: for kickoff ?
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> lex79: the panel icon for kickoff, yes
[00:40] <lex79> uhm, second
[00:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna
 apachelogger: after the updates today, I have this kickoff icon http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/229/kickoff.png
 lex79: yeah, someone didnt obey the icon spec
 lex79: you need to manually change it
 it was renamed
[00:42] <lex79> -*- apachelogger meant to send a mail about that
 .. more about the fact that we used an invalid icon name, rather than icons being broken ;)
[00:42] <ryanakca> Where can I find an SVG of http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_logotype_black.png ?
 apachelogger: but if you upgrade from karmic to lucid...does it work? or you have to change manually?
 obviously enough, I as an oxygen tech dude care more about the names than the broken icons :P
 lex79: change manually
 omg
 I suppose we could dump a plasma update script
 apachelogger: what's the name of the icon?
 lex79: start-here-kubuntu in places
[00:43] <lex79> sorry for the long paste lol
[00:43]  * ryanakca casually points to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com ;D
[00:43] <lex79> :)
[00:53] <ScottK> lex79: Considering it's qt4-x11 is a ~26 hour build on armel, let's make sure we have all the stuff we need for release before we upload it again.
[00:53] <ScottK> it's/that
[00:53] <lex79> ok
[00:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:55] <apachelogger> always these highlights at 2 in the morning
[00:55] <Tm_T> son
[00:56] <apachelogger> mom?
[00:56] <lex79> apachelogger: sorry, you can continue to sleep on the keyboard :D
[00:56] <Tm_T> no he cant
[00:58] <lex79> poor
[00:58] <apachelogger> yes
[00:59] <apachelogger> now I must do fixing at 2 in the morning
[00:59] <apachelogger> it is always the same with you guys
[01:02] <seawolf> hi all
[01:03] <seawolf> lex79 pvt on moment ?
[01:03] <lex79> seawolf: ok
[01:11]  * ryanakca is surprised plymouth doesn't use SVG instead of PNG images. Having a 241x88 logo on a huge screen may look kindof funny
[01:12] <Tm_T> ryanakca: with some 8-bit colours
[01:12] <Tm_T> or something like that
[01:12] <Tm_T> nVidia <3
[01:14] <lex79> should be 16bit to works well with Nvidia proprietary driver
[01:14] <Tm_T> dunno, but whatever it is now, it looks really ugly
[01:14] <lex79> yeah
[01:15] <lex79> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html
[01:16] <Tm_T> hmm, I have good old grub, not grub2
[01:16]  * apachelogger scratches ear
[01:17] <apachelogger> lex79: can you drop a bug report about that update-my-kickoff-icon-stuff
[01:17] <apachelogger> in case I fall asleep again and cant remember when i wake up
[01:18] <lex79> apachelogger: where's?
[01:18] <apachelogger> kds
[01:19] <lex79> ok
[01:27]  * ryanakca reboots to test the Kubuntu plymouth logo
[01:34] <apachelogger> lex79: I think I already have an update script
[01:34] <apachelogger> BUT
[01:34] <apachelogger> it seems kickoff's realodconfig implementaiton is either not existing or bugged
[01:35] <lex79> figured, probably bugged :)
[01:36] <apachelogger> well
[01:36] <apachelogger> folderview didnt have one
[01:36] <apachelogger> chances are kickoff doesnt either
[01:42] <apachelogger> lex79: doesnt have the appropriate interface
[01:43] <lex79> :( this means no chances to fix?
[01:43] <apachelogger> easy enough to implement for the icon
[01:44] <apachelogger> in fact it would be rather easy for all of kickoff's config settings
[01:44] <apachelogger> its not like it got more than 3 ;)
[01:44] <lex79> :)
[01:45] <apachelogger> lex79: sounds like something you could do and push to reviewboard ;)
[01:45] <apachelogger> lex79: do we have a report already?
[01:45] <lex79> apachelogger: nope
[01:46] <apachelogger> I CANT COMMIT WITHOUT REPORT :P
[01:47]  * lex79 points to JontheEchidna to write a report
[01:47] <lex79> :P
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> report the missing icon?
[01:48] <apachelogger> the icon is not missing
[01:48] <apachelogger> it was renamed :P
[01:49] <apachelogger> someone just dump the stuff in a report an nominate and target for lucid and assign to me so that I do not forget about this :P
[01:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: so now the icon is wrong
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> what do I file it against?
[01:50] <apachelogger> kds
[01:50] <apachelogger> and also mark it affects workspace while you are at it
[01:50] <apachelogger> requires kickoff patch
[01:51] <apachelogger> lex79: so, do you want to implement that configChanged for kickoff for upstream?
[01:52] <lex79> dunno if I'm able, I have to look in the code, and in this moment I'm quite busy
[01:52] <lex79> but I can look tomorrow
[01:53] <apachelogger> lex79: plasma/desktop/applets/kickoff/applet/applet.[cpp,h]
[01:53] <apachelogger> in workspace
[01:53] <apachelogger> for "inspiration" take a look at my kdebase patch for folderview
[01:54] <lex79> ok thanks
[01:55] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410005541-v7kh4m9bff6esi3d kubuntu-default-settings/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[01:55] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Add plasma-desktop update script 02-kubuntu-menu-icon.js to migrate
[01:55] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  from wrongly named kubuntu-menu to start-here-kubuntu icon (LP: #559725)
[01:55] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  + This requires a configChanged() interface to be implemented in kickoff
[01:56] <apachelogger> that might have been the quickest fix ever
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[01:58]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[01:59] <apachelogger> cya in 4 hours or so ^^
[02:27] <ryanakca> I've commited a fix for bug 557220 to the kds branch, can a couple of people test it and provide feedback please? (copy kds/lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png to /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png && update-initramfs -u)
[03:19] <ryanakca> Hmmm... is kubuntu-devel@lists.u.c an appropriate place to forward Kubuntu fanmail to?
[03:19] <jjesse> yes totally
[09:49] <jussi01> hrm, now we are unfrozen, can someone please sync qutecome across from debian?
[09:50] <jussi01> !info qutecom
[09:50] <jussi01> !info qutecom lucid
[09:51] <jussi01> !info qutecom unstable
[09:52] <Tm_T> nice diff in sizes
[10:08]  * apachelogger slept in !
[10:08] <apachelogger> omg !
[10:09] <apachelogger> today rain 11 C, tomorrow rain 9 C, monday rain 8 C
[10:09] <apachelogger> I do not like the weather widget
[10:09] <Tm_T> +2 °C
[10:16] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[10:17] <jussi01> http://weather.willab.fi/weather.html.fi
[10:18] <Tm_T> I wish we would get some snow soon
[10:18] <jussi01> Tm_T: not gonna happen
[10:18] <apachelogger> brrr
[10:18] <Tm_T> jussi01: wouldn't be first time, it's not uncommon to have snow in june
[10:19] <apachelogger> oh coldlyness
[10:19] <Tm_T> jussi01: also, you are aware that plasma weather widgets can use willab weather ion (data source) ?
[10:20] <apachelogger> considering Graz is rather southish, I find the weather here way too cold in comparision with jussi01's
[10:20] <jussi01> Tm_T: no, I wasnt aware
[10:21] <Tm_T> jussi01: hmm, I wonder if you could get it to use easily... http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/ions/willab/
[10:22] <jussi01> Tm_T: we are unfrozen no, you could get t packaged :P
[10:22] <Tm_T> why me?
[10:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeah, I would really love some nce warm weather...
[10:25] <apachelogger> Tm_T: because you are nice and awesome and beautiful and cool and handsome and very good at packaging
[10:26] <Tm_T> one of those is not true
[10:26] <apachelogger> oh, hold on, that was me
[10:26] <Tm_T> yup, you're the handsome
[10:26] <apachelogger> sorry for the confusion :P
[10:51] <mcas> can anyone tell me the deadline for the translation of kubuntu-docs?
[10:52] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410095248-q3m5uftfzbnrzyd0 kubuntu-default-settings/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug in 02-kubuntu-menu-icon.js that prevents execution
[10:53] <apachelogger> mcas: there isnt?
[10:53] <apachelogger> what does not land on the CD gets distributed via updates I suppose
[10:53] <mcas> ah ok
[10:53] <apachelogger> that said, I am not sure -docs translations land on the CD to begin with
[10:54] <mcas> i thought there is a deadline for a rosetta export
[10:55] <apachelogger> well
[10:55] <apachelogger> mcas: do you happen to know in what package the -docs translations would end up?
[10:56] <mcas> i have no idea sorry
[10:57] <apachelogger> always these over informed translators :P
[10:57] <apachelogger> well, lets have a look
[10:57] <neversfelde> kubuntu-docs looks promising :)
[10:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that would be weird considering the deployment strategy appied to the rest of l10n
[10:58] <apachelogger> mcas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[10:58] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[10:58] <apachelogger> in 5 days
[10:58] <apachelogger> it would seem at least ^^
[10:59] <mcas> thx apachelogger
[11:06] <apachelogger> anyone with karmic and apt-file around?
[11:09] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410100930-bikzf3gnap6l0x4y kdebase-workspace/debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[11:09] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Add kubuntu_03_kickoff_configchanged.diff to add a simplified configChanged
[11:09] <CIA-6> kubuntu: interface to kickoff, so that we can temper with it's config via scripts.
[11:09] <CIA-6> kubuntu: As done in kubuntu-default-settings for LP: #559725
[13:26] <ryanakca> [Repeat:] I've commited a fix for bug 557220 to the kds branch, can a couple of people test it and provide feedback please? (copy kds/lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png to /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu_logo.png && update-initramfs -u) ... You'll need to reboot to see it.
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: we
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> we've had the new logo for a week or so already
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: the new one you put in the latest k-d-s is clipped at the bottom, too :(
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> I think bug 557220 is unrelated to k-d-s
[13:37] <apachelogger> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[13:37]  * apachelogger hates it when libs are all wrong packaged
[13:38] <apachelogger> whatever happend to jr?
[13:38] <apachelogger> :(
[13:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dude! say we have a package that contains a binary and shared data, now it turns out the asscoiated library actually requires the data files, not the binary, would you move the data files into the library package or create a -data package?
[13:40] <apachelogger> lets say 7 files
[13:40]  * persia things the decision should always be made on the basis of space in /usr/share vs. /usr/lib rather than on the number of files.
[13:40]  * apachelogger would go for a -data package for the sake of proper strucutre, but is afraid that might be a bit too much considering the binary package is then rather empty
[13:41] <apachelogger> persia: well it is just about in which package the files shoudl be seeded
[13:42] <apachelogger> which either is inside the lib package OR in a -data package that is dependet upon by the lib package
[13:42] <persia> RIght.  I think the decision should be made based on space.  If you've several megabytes of data files, put them in their own package.  If you have 500 1K files, don't bother.
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> ^yeah, that's my opinion as well
[13:42] <apachelogger> k, thanks :)
[13:47]  * apachelogger loves fixing bugs
[13:53] <ryanakca> apachelogger: OK. There is however no logo in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu. Only a background gradient, a font and a bunch of translations/.po files.
[13:53] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I think you mean JontheEchidna
[13:53] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Aye, sorry
[13:54] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: if you look at the logo in k-d-s, there's quite a bit of empty transparent padding at the bottom. I can however try moving the logo up relative to the padding. What package do you think I should be looking at?
[14:01] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: I'm out for the day, if plymouth-themes-kubuntu-logo is infact the correct package, I'll fix the cut bottom when I get back tonight.
[14:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: opinions on bug # 553484?
[14:05] <apachelogger> bug 553484
[14:09] <apachelogger> did someone break kmenuedit?
[14:10] <apachelogger> well
[14:10] <apachelogger> I have a superior cool way to get rid of menu entries ;)
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100410131753-rp2n0vw27e0y2j9w kubuntu-default-settings/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Add a kubuntu.menu file in the standard XDG merge path. This allows us
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  to control menu content without actually patching the main menu file.
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  + Please note that this *only* affects the menu. The excluded entries will
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  still show up in KRunner and the like.
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Use aforementioned menu file to get rid off systemsettings from the menu,
[14:17] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  the plasma implementation is failing to do it properly (LP: #553478)
[14:24] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:25] <apachelogger> the rosetta UI first loads all languages and then filters out the one I selected in my profile
[14:25] <apachelogger> what a waste of resources :(
[15:04] <ScottK> ryanakca and JontheEchidna: ryanakca's logo change is uploaded, so please decide if it needs reverting or what?
[15:12] <ScottK> Nice.  I see the bzr system works.  apachelogger thanks for uploading my workspace changes.
[16:01] <shadeslayer> is knotify compatible with libnotify1
[16:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What are you trying to accomplish?
[16:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im trying to get irssi and knotify to work together
[16:04] <shadeslayer> and grawity in #irssi says that it needs to be compatible with libnotify to work
[16:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: For Kubuntu KDE 4.3 and later, yes.  For upstream KDE 4.4 and later, yes.
[16:05] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[16:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: you're welcome
[16:08] <ScottK> Nice when things work out.
[16:10]  * apachelogger notes that he refuses to do any programming as long as api.kde.org is down
[16:10] <apachelogger> also, I mentioned that we shall create the fancy apidox with fancy packaging magic, but that was not wanted :/
[16:12] <apachelogger> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/sets/72157608562200171/
[16:12] <apachelogger> somehow I have a feeling he is running out of stuff to complain about ^^
[16:15] <ScottK> Would some PPA oriented person please go fix Bug 519751 in the Karmic PPA.
[16:16]  * apachelogger is blogging
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yayy.. irssi+Knotify is awesome :D
[16:20] <apachelogger> mirc is awesomer
[16:20] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:21] <shadeslayer> and im switching back to nouveau
[16:24] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I wonder if we can somehow port mIRC into Linux
[16:25] <apachelogger> we can always rewrite in qt
[16:25] <apachelogger> oh
[16:25] <apachelogger> that reminds me, I wanted to rewrite incredimail in Qt ^^
[16:26] <lex79> apachelogger: I'm looking at your patch to learn a bit :)
[16:27] <apachelogger> which one?
[16:27] <lex79> kubuntu_03_kickoff_configchanged.diff
[16:27] <apachelogger> oh
[16:27] <apachelogger> that is nothing to be looked at ;)
[16:27] <apachelogger> it works, but that is it
[16:27] <lex79> apachelogger: I saw this http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/applets/system-monitor/temperature.cpp?r1=1088785&r2=1088784&pathrev=1088785
[16:27] <ScottK> He didn't say he was learning good things
[16:28] <lex79> ScottK: yeah :)
[16:28] <apachelogger> lex79: you would need to implement it for more than just the icon
[16:29] <apachelogger> if a plasmoid has but one setting, this way of implementing it might be a good way (though IMHO it does nothing more than waste resources at ini
[16:29] <apachelogger> init
[16:32] <apachelogger> ah
[16:33]  * apachelogger is not in the mood for blogging
[16:33]  * apachelogger goes into standby mode
[16:33]  * lex79 too
[16:58] <jtechidna> ScottK, ryanakca: I uploaded a reverted package earlier this morning. (Since the artwork was identical, except this one had bugs)
[16:58] <ScottK> jtechidna: OK.  So it's resovled.  Great.  Thanks.
[16:59] <jtechidna> had to pretty much run out the door afterwards, so I didn't get a chance to say so in IRC until now
[17:02] <txwikinger> wow.. this upgrade really went well!!!!!!
[17:02] <txwikinger> good work everybody
[17:13] <jtechidna> any thoughts on bug 274150? We can probably spare 2.5 MiB for kdepim docs now
[17:16] <jtechidna> apachelogger: on Draw, I'm not sure
[17:20] <lex79> how space is required for Draw?
[17:22] <jtechidna> It's already on the CD, and Impress needs it. This is more about hiding the desktop entry
[17:24] <jtechidna> it takes up 2.2 MiB space, though
[17:31] <lex79> no chances to put digikam? :(
[17:34] <jtechidna> I think there should be a UDS session "How to waste 30 MB of space" :P
[17:35] <jtechidna> bbl
[17:35] <lex79> lol indeed
[17:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: translations are the lovlier
[18:02] <ofirk> amichair: are you here?
[18:05] <claydoh> was ktorrent removed from the beta livecd?
[18:07] <ofirk> apachelogger: are you here?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: was removed in the early alphas for space reasons. I think it should be put back on personally
[18:17]  * apachelogger never thought it suited TBH
[18:17] <apachelogger> as usual l10n > ;)
[18:18] <ofirk> apachelogger: I am working on the kubuntu branding in kickoff
[18:18] <apachelogger> ofirk: still :D
[18:18] <ofirk> apachelogger: I followed the instructions you gave yesterday and now the kubuntu logo is gone
[18:18] <ofirk> apachelogger: lol, no. I was out all day :)
[18:19] <apachelogger> then you did something wrong :P
[18:19] <ofirk> I deleted all is in .kde/.../kpc and since than there is no icon
[18:19] <ofirk> *logo
[18:19] <ofirk> is there a way to regenerate the cache?
[18:21] <apachelogger> yes
[18:21] <apachelogger> restart kickoff
[18:21] <ofirk> I will try it
[18:22] <apachelogger> ofirk: starting plasma == restarting kickoff
[18:22] <apachelogger> btw
[18:22] <apachelogger> :)
[18:22]  * apachelogger finds it hard to write while watching a movie ^^
[18:24] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: thanks! some questions in the forums on it, my guess was correct
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: find it a bit ironic that Plasma is removing the zooming stuff in 4.5?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> I lol'd
[18:34] <apachelogger> lol
[18:34] <apachelogger> they are?
[18:34] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:34]  * apachelogger giggles
[18:34] <apachelogger> good thing we got beaten up for considering it unsable in 4.1 :P
[18:38] <evilshadeslayer> they are?
[18:38] <evilshadeslayer> it was stupid anyways
[18:38] <evilshadeslayer> Feature : 1) 'Zoom' Into your plasma/Desktop :P
[18:39] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: JontheEchidna : http://meancheese.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ubuntu-wine2-1024x768.jpg
[18:40] <evilshadeslayer> thats bound to make ubuntu famous :)
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> heh
[18:40] <evilshadeslayer> but its $ 9.95
[18:40]  * evilshadeslayer likes his K/Ubuntu $0
[18:44] <evilshadeslayer> anyone free enough to look at some build errors?
[18:45] <evilshadeslayer> or is everyone gone for bug hunting :)
[18:45] <evilshadeslayer> s/is/has
[18:45] <Tm_T> evilshadeslayer: what errors?
[18:45] <evilshadeslayer> Tm_T: one sec
[18:45]  * ScottK waits for Tm_T's powerpc report.
[18:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is attica 0.1.3 bugfix and do we want it?
[18:46] <evilshadeslayer> Tm_T: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+build/1624988
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes and yes. was meaning to do that yesterday, but I never got around to it
[18:47]  * ScottK pokes JontheEchidna to get busy.
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: attica falls in the realm of "things I still cannot upload" (tm), so I'll need assistance with that
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> speaking of, has anything further happened with either a) my application or b) fixing kubuntu-dev?
[18:48] <ScottK> Let me find out.
[18:49] <evilshadeslayer> Tm_T: i cant figure out what im doing wrong
[18:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: is it too late to for knh translation? it's not translated yet here :(
[18:50] <evilshadeslayer> Tm_T: also how do i disable these 'Tests' and what do they do?
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you have until April 22
[18:52] <Tm_T> evilshadeslayer: tests are, well, tests, not needed for users
[18:52] <ScottK> evilshadeslayer: What you do is figure out why they failed and fix them.
[18:52] <evilshadeslayer> ScottK: i cant figure out why they failed! thats why im asking :)
[18:52] <lex79> JontheEchidna: good, should I grab po in es/ folder and translate?
[18:52] <ScottK> evilshadeslayer: OK.  Just disabling them isn't the right answer.
[18:53] <evilshadeslayer> ScottK: i agree...
[18:53] <evilshadeslayer> ScottK: what are these called exactly?
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I don't know how up-to-date that pot is.
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> This is up to date though:  https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+pots/notificationhelper/it/+translate
[18:53] <evilshadeslayer> ( i can then haggle with google :P )
[18:53] <ofirk> apachelogger: the logo size is determined in /home/vm/.kde/cache-vm/plasma-svgelements-default
[18:53] <ScottK> evilshadeslayer: I didn't look at your exact error, so I don't know.
[18:54] <ScottK> ENOTIME
[18:54] <evilshadeslayer> oh.. /usr/bin/ctest --force-new-ctest-process
[18:54] <evilshadeslayer> its called ctest
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> evilshadeslayer: rekonq?
[18:54] <evilshadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yep
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> evilshadeslayer: the kubuntu packaging has a patch to disable those tests for our build
[18:54] <evilshadeslayer> oh..
[18:54]  * evilshadeslayer looks
[18:55] <evilshadeslayer> ah right :)
[18:55] <evilshadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can you tell me why?
[18:55] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ah, so do I have to translate in launchpad?
[18:55] <evilshadeslayer> ( like why the tests fail )
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> evilshadeslayer: it causes FTBFS :P
[18:55] <evilshadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehe :D
[18:55] <evilshadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i can see that xD
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: otherwise I'd have to do an upload of k-n-h itself
[18:56] <lex79> ok
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: thanks :)
[18:56]  * evilshadeslayer goes and repacks stuff for upload
[18:56] <lex79> :)
[18:57] <evilshadeslayer> oh my my....
[18:57] <evilshadeslayer> 5 Days... :o
[19:03] <lex79> JontheEchidna: uhmmm :) "Set of default screensavers" means a collection of screensaver?
[19:03] <lex79> +s
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> lex79: if you don't have kscreensaver installed and you open up the screensaver kcm, it will prompt you for installing the extra screensavers
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> For 10.10 I should put more context messages in there
[19:05] <lex79> yeah I know, I'm wondering why use "set" instead of "collection" like in package description
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> lex79: dunno, ask apachelogger
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> both are fine in English though
[19:05] <lex79> k
[19:06] <apachelogger> a collection is striving for completion, a set is not ;)
[19:08] <apachelogger> anyhow, I would reason it like this: you have a default set of icons, not a default collection of icons, you however have a music collection and not a music set
[19:08] <apachelogger> or a set of music for that matter
[19:09] <ofirk> apachelogger: the original svg is 100x28 but the displayed one is 145x30
[19:09] <ofirk> apachelogger: the logo size is determined in /home/vm/.kde/cache-vm/plasma-svgelements-default
[19:09] <ofirk> apachelogger: but this is only cache...
[19:09] <apachelogger> nope it is not
[19:09] <ofirk> :(
[19:09] <apachelogger> that file is created as a cache :P
[19:10] <apachelogger> the size is determined somewhere within the belly of the monster called plamsa I suppose ;)
[19:10] <apachelogger> considering it differs form the SVG one
[19:13]  * ScottK is AFK for some time.
[19:16] <ofirk> apachelogger: do you know how to change its size?
[19:17] <apachelogger> ofirk: try #plasma
[19:38] <neversfelde> I updated digikam to 1.2, it is in staging. I think it is too late to bring it to lucid, shall I copy it to the backports ppa?
[19:41] <apachelogger> !info digikam lucid
[19:42] <neversfelde> !info kipi-plugins
[19:42] <apachelogger> neversfelde: backports for the time being
[19:42] <neversfelde> !info kipi-plugins lucid
[19:42] <neversfelde> really old :/
[19:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you should a) get hold of upstream and ask gilles if he is sure enough that it is enough free of regressions to drop it in lucid at this point b) try to reach lure and ask what he thinks
[19:43] <apachelogger> I rather have a bit of regression in 1.2 that can be resolved via SRUs than a 1.1 of which upstream thinks it is crap TBH
[19:44] <apachelogger> ultimately upstream will have to support it anyway
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> can haz sponsorz for http://jmthomas.toniox.org/attica_0.1.3-0ubuntu1.dsc ?
[19:46] <apachelogger> no
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> D:
[19:46] <apachelogger> not without debdiff
[19:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: do you know, which nick gilles uses on freenode?
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: of the packaging, or the whole thing?
[19:47] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that made me giggle right ther :D
[19:47] <apachelogger> gillescaulier
[19:47] <apachelogger> unless he changed
[19:47] <apachelogger> neversfelde: there #digikam btw
[19:47] <apachelogger> +is
[19:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ulll and everything
[19:48] <Tm_T> ScottK: bah, I keep struggling with my hardware, this is no fun
[19:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are too slow though
[19:48] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ?
[19:48] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ??
[19:48] <neversfelde> ???
[19:48] <neversfelde> :)
[19:49] <apachelogger> ????
[19:49] <apachelogger> :P
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://jmthomas.toniox.org/zomgdebdiff.diff
[19:49] <apachelogger> zomg!
[19:49] <apachelogger> now I has 2 diffs
[19:49]  * apachelogger diffs the diffs
[19:49] <neversfelde> I'll try to reach lure first, as he is responsible for the digikam and kipi packages usually
[19:49] <apachelogger> omg
[19:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your debdiff is all wrong
[19:50] <apachelogger> http://pastebin.ca/1859100
[19:51] <apachelogger> that is quite unreadable
[19:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: needs freature freeze exception
[19:51] <apachelogger> + - Add possibility to get Licenses from server
[19:51] <apachelogger> + - Add search for contents by username
[19:51] <apachelogger> + - Add convenience function to get list of download links and fix some related strings
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: but nothing uses these functions
[19:52] <Tm_T> ScottK: ok, now I get rw erased, will try to burn one too
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: and therefore no risk
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> well, KDE 4.5 uses these functions, but we don't has
[19:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze for new upstream versions
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> none is needed for bugfix releases
[19:53] <apachelogger> If you want to introduce a new upstream version with new features and/or ABI/API changes, please
[19:53] <apachelogger> those are API changes, probably even ABI
[19:53] <apachelogger> which leads me to the question what ever happened to the symbols file :)
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> as long as it's just api additions there won't be any abi breakage
[19:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the wiki page does not talk about breaks it specifically talkes about changes to either the API or the ABI
[19:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just drop some quick report and dump the diff in and run it by someone from ubuntu-release
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> gah, this is BS considering they'll just wave their hand and say that it's ok to upload
[19:58] <debfx> ScottK: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222110#c6
[19:58] <apachelogger> yeah, still :(
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> bug 560216
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> imo upstream should have done attica 0.1.2.1
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> then crammed all the new shiz in a 0.1.3
[20:04]  * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a cookie and tells him about how apachelogger is going to draw a lynx no
[20:04] <apachelogger> w
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> omg, release wallpapa?
[20:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:06] <apachelogger> incredibly difficult this time
[20:07] <apachelogger> I only have half the space !!! :(
[20:12] <apachelogger> I think I will go into modern art this time
[20:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: remind me to buy booze tomorrow
[20:27] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help remind'
[20:27] <apachelogger> that release walpaper drawing is serious business
[20:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: suggestions?
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> uuuuuuh
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> breakfast links! (sausage)
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> == breakfast lynx?
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> nom
[20:33] <apachelogger> lolo lovelypuzzycat
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> also, Russel T Davies must destroy the universe
[20:37] <apachelogger> OHHHHHH
[20:37] <apachelogger> MY
[20:37] <apachelogger> DOCTOR
[20:37] <apachelogger> that is a rather awesome idea indeed
[20:37] <maco> what what
[20:37]  * apachelogger boots the old representation of archive reorg und introduces rtd
[20:37] <maco> i saw OHHHHH MY DOCTOR
[20:37] <maco> and figured it had to be whovian
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> RTD is like the British Michael Bay, but with better writing skillz
[20:40]  * apachelogger doesnt know miachel bay
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/michael-bay-presents-explosions.html
[20:41] <apachelogger> what ther friend is explosions
[20:42] <apachelogger> oh
[20:42] <apachelogger> flash
[20:42] <apachelogger> maybe I should put the ipad, multitasking and flash on the walpper ^^
[20:43] <tsimpson> don't worry, that link only works for those in the US
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, damn
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> anyways, Michael Bay did the new transformer movies, and loves explosions
[20:45] <tsimpson> google :) http://videosift.com/video/Michael-Bay-presents-EXPLOSIONS
[20:48] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhh
[20:48] <apachelogger> explosions
[20:49] <apachelogger> there aint is much reason to go see the transformer movies except for handsome lads, boobies and explosions
[21:01]  * apachelogger had completely forgottenabout the IRCCC meeting ^^
[21:02] <Sput> apachelogger: isn't boobies and explosions the main reason to go to the cinema?
[21:03] <apachelogger> probably
[21:03] <apachelogger> might explain why am not going very often :P
[21:08] <ScottK> debfx: I saw.  That's excellent.  I'll try it out tonight or tomorrow.  Thanks.
[21:09]  * ScottK thinks everyone should hug debfx.
[21:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and apachelogger: attica FFe granted.
[21:10] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  Let me know if you manage to test it.  nixternal is slacking.
[21:10] <Tm_T> ScottK: I'm about to boot for testing as soon as meeting is over
[21:11] <ScottK> Excellent.
[21:11]  * lex79 hugs debfx
[21:11] <lex79> ScottK: eric from unstable?
[21:11] <ScottK> lex79: Yes.
[21:12] <ScottK> Pretty much always want the latest Eric.
[21:12] <lex79> I'm going to do a testbuild
[21:14] <lex79> ScottK: in unstable they split translations in several sources tarball
[21:14] <lex79> http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/eric
[21:14] <ScottK> lex79: Ouch.
[21:15] <lex79> we have to go with Testing version
[21:15] <ScottK> Well see if you can work it out.  If it needs to go through binary New in Ubuntu, I can push it through.
[21:15] <lex79> ok
[21:15] <ScottK> Better that than what we have, but surely you can manage.
[21:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: uploaded
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thx
[21:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[21:19] <lex79> ScottK: should I open a FFe for each source packages? @_@
[21:19] <ScottK> lex79: No.  One is fine.
[21:19] <ScottK> lex79: The main thing is to get it tested.
[21:20] <Tm_T> ScottK: bah, wrong channel
[21:21] <ScottK> Tm_T: The Beta 2 ones.
[21:21] <Tm_T> hmmmmm
[21:21] <ScottK> i did't check to see if we have later.  If we do, those would be fine too.
[21:21] <lex79> apachelogger: maybe you can upload the fox for bug 554069
[21:21] <lex79> :-*
[21:21] <lex79> ehm...the fix and not the fox
[21:22] <Tm_T> ScottK: ubuntu-desktop?
[21:22] <ScottK> Let me get you a link
[21:22] <Tm_T> hrrr
[21:23] <Tm_T> not my day
[21:23] <apachelogger> lex79: foxes are like brown wolves
[21:24] <ScottK> Tm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/lucid/beta-2/ - the desktop one
[21:24] <lex79> I know apachelogger :)
[21:24] <ScottK> Tm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/lucid/beta-2/kubuntu-10.04-beta2-desktop-powerpc.iso
[21:25] <Tm_T> ScottK: thanks
[21:25]  * ScottK resumes his travels.  See you later.
[21:25] <Tm_T> ScottK: have fun
[21:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[21:25] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Diamonds Are a Girls Best Friend" by Marilyn Monroe [The Very Best of Marilyn Monroe, 2001] [http://open.spotify.com/track/4tRUSA0BBn5DhjRpKcBy8a] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[21:25] <lex79> apachelogger: if you can upload with your magic power also a fox, do it lol
[21:26] <apachelogger> lex79: 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file xscreensaver-5.10/debian/changelog.rej
[21:26] <lex79> weird
[21:27]  * apachelogger can upload everywhere
[21:27] <apachelogger> !info xscreensaver lucid
[21:27] <apachelogger> lex79: not weird at all
[21:27] <lex79> maybe I diff with an old version
[21:27] <apachelogger> maybe
[21:28] <apachelogger> no
[21:28] <apachelogger> you created that on sun and don tue ubuntu2 was uploaded
[21:28] <apachelogger> of course not looking at the bug reprts and checking for other fixes :P
[21:30] <lex79> apachelogger: I'll reupload it to LP
[21:30] <apachelogger> lex79: you are also too slow
[21:30] <apachelogger> go sob in a corner together with JontheEchidna :P
[21:30] <lex79> omg
[21:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[21:31] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Genesis" by Justice [Cross] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0bHUSuO7EFH1ZpcQdqRL6W] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[21:31] <neversfelde> lex79: did you ever see a kmldonkey 2.0.5 somewhere? It should be on ktown, but it isn't.
[21:32] <lex79> nope, did you check also in kde ftp?
[21:32] <neversfelde> lex79: what is kde ftp?
[21:33] <lex79> neversfelde: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/
[21:34] <neversfelde> lex79: thanks and no, it is 2.0.2 there. I will ask again.
[21:34] <lex79> ok
[21:37] <lex79> apachelogger: thanks
[21:50] <apachelogger> oh
[21:50]  * apachelogger finds lp UI totally counterintuitive
[21:50] <apachelogger> anyhow
[21:50] <apachelogger> lex79: you should assign sponsors for main  really
[21:50] <apachelogger> eh
[21:50] <apachelogger> subscribe
[21:51] <apachelogger> subscribing to core-dev is not going to cause much movement
[21:52] <lex79> I subscribed the bug to core-dev? I wrong...
[21:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/d_a7iSX.html
[21:54] <apachelogger> this modern art crap is totally difficult
[21:54] <lex79> LoL
[21:55] <apachelogger> still need to bring i opportunistics, yahoo, rtd and the unvierse, and probably more buttons
[21:55] <apachelogger> also, was kubuntu development that uneventful?
[21:56] <lex79> is there no space for Hannah Montana?
[21:56]  * apachelogger cant really remember anything that would be suited for the release wally
[21:57] <apachelogger> lex79: no!!!!
[21:58] <lex79> bad
[21:58] <apachelogger> well, somewhere maybe
[21:58] <lex79> for a canoe?
[21:58] <apachelogger> we have loads of free space on the right ;)
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: omg~ ponies
[22:33] <neversfelde> where?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> [16:54:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/d_a7iSX.html
[22:34] <neversfelde> wahh
[23:07] <lex79> It's my birthday! \o/
[23:07] <apachelogger> oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhh
[23:08] <lex79> oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> lex79: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!
[23:08]  * apachelogger hugs and cuddles lex79
[23:08] <lex79> thank you :)
[23:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for lex79
[23:08]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[23:08]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to lex79 and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[23:08] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday lex79, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[23:08] <kubotu> Happy Birthday lex79 :D
[23:08] <kubotu> To your health!
[23:08] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:08] <lex79> :D
[23:09] <lex79> apachelogger: btw Limonciello complains about my change in xscreensaver
[23:09] <lex79> :)
[23:10] <apachelogger> super mario!
[23:10] <apachelogger> I do agree with him though
[23:10] <apachelogger> thing is, since this is the fix debian applied, it is the most sensible one to do
[23:11] <apachelogger> it probably would be best to have the desktop file say NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; I suppose
[23:11] <lex79> yes
[23:11] <apachelogger> and I think that the desktop entry spec should be enhanced to take running processes into account
[23:12] <apachelogger> so you can go: show the knm menu entry UNLESS knm is running, same for klipper and krandrtary, and same here
[23:12] <apachelogger> run that nice xscreensaver unless another screensaver is running
[23:19] <lex79> apachelogger: NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; means it doesn't start automatically? but you can see it in the menu?
[23:20] <apachelogger> lex79: since it is in the autostart folder you wouldnt see it in the menu eitherway
[23:20] <apachelogger> but yes notShowIn should prevent it from being autostarted
[23:20] <apachelogger> ...granted that is the right key
[23:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: google desktop entry spec
[23:20] <kubotu> Results for desktop entry spec: 1. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ | 2. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html | 3. freedesktop.org - Specifications/desktop-entry-spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec
[23:21] <apachelogger> yeah notshowin
[23:21] <lex79> k
[23:56] <Tm_T> ScottK: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kubuntu-lucid-beta2-ppc_1.png for quick explanation what's apparent wrong here, other seems to work as excpected