[00:00] <vinicius> memenu brings settings as if I have already registered
[00:01] <bjsnider> zombie0, that chip is supported by the 195.36.15 driver
[00:01] <bjsnider> zombie0, have you tried removing plymouth?
[00:01] <zombie0> bjsnider : nope
[00:01] <zombie0> bjsnider : just rebooted and now get blank screen after grub
[00:01] <switchgirl> ok somthings going on... ill try rebooting
[00:02] <bjsnider> zombie0, how long have you waited?
[00:02] <zombie0> bjsnider : 2 minutes
[00:02] <bjsnider> try it without plymouth
[00:02] <zombie0> everything is loaded, I can tell because there isnt anymore hdd access going on
[00:02] <zombie0> but I cant drop into any session terminals
[00:03] <zombie0> bjsnider how would I go about that without being able to see?
[00:04] <RS265> Hello, I have a Lucid installation that gives me a lot of trouble with keyboard and mouse.  Can someone help?
[00:06] <auk> RS265, what does it do with the keyboard?
[00:06] <RS265> I have a Logitech MX 5500 keyboard and mouse
[00:07] <RS265> Both keyboard and mouse fail to work once the GNOME logs in (automatic login)
[00:07] <zombie0> bjsnider : Any ideas on how to get the intel card working for this laptop?  I think thats what I was using before that worked alright
[00:07] <RS265> I get messages about recognize the bluetooth pairing but it is not possible to set anything since there are no inputs accepted
[00:08] <bjsnider> zombie0, if those types of hybrid graphics laptops are supported in linux, this is the first i've heard of it
[00:08] <RS265> Trying to set up the keyboard and mouse over the network using the bluetooth pairing leads to varied results on pairing but the pair never works anyway
[00:08] <zombie0> they arent
[00:08] <RS265> Karmic works fine though
[00:08] <zombie0> thats the whole problem, but I am just trying to get some sort of ok video working
[00:09] <zombie0> nvidia hasnt been good at all with this chipset but I had it working for awhile before todays update
[00:09] <zombie0> just not using nvidia
[00:09] <bjsnider> as far as i know, dave airlie wrote the first code for hybrid graphics just not long ago, and it certainly isn't in lucid
[00:11] <auk> RS265, do you use the layout switcher?
[00:11] <zombie0> bjsnider any ideas on how I can just get my laptop to configure its graphics like it did when installing?
[00:11] <zombie0> bjsnider the defaults gave me enough that both compiz and 3d video worked alright
[00:12] <bjsnider> zombie0, if you go to the bios, are there settings for disabling one chip or the other?
[00:12] <zombie0> bjsnider nope, they havent put in a switch yet
[00:12] <RS265> No, I do not.
[00:12] <zombie0> bjsnider I am on the newest bios revision as well
[00:12] <auk> zombie, you could try the command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:12] <RS265> Fairly default installation
[00:12] <bjsnider> zombie0, you might want to go to the #ubuntu-x channel and ask them.
[00:13] <zombie0> might give both of those suggestions a go
[00:13] <zombie0> need to delete xorg.conf first so I can at least get into my install
[00:13] <auk> RS265, hmm i just had a problem with mine that i fixed by removing gujarati from the list of layouts
[00:13] <bjsnider> all that command will do is wipe out the xorg.conf file
[00:14] <auk> RS265, seems you're fairly sure your problem is with the bluetooth pairing and not the keyboard setup generallyM
[00:14] <auk> ?
[00:14] <RS265> Definitely a bluetooth pairing
[00:14] <auk> RS265, do you have a standard-ish USB keyboard that you could plug in to see if it works?
[00:14] <RS265> I am typing this on the same keyboard and mouse in the "other" OS
[00:15] <RS265> Unfortunately, no
[00:15] <zombie0> bjsnider : ... dang
[00:15] <RS265> I have a different wireless keyboard but that fails due to range issues from the base
[00:15] <RS265> keyboard is fairly far from the tower
[00:16] <auk> RS265, i'm sorry i don't know much about bluetooth, haven't used it much... maybe try doing again and rebooting: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:17] <RS265> done that several times.  No help
[00:17] <RS265> All I can say for sure is somewhere between alpha 2 and 3, things went screwy
[00:17] <auk> RS265, also you said you got messages but couldn't set anything... you could try using an on-screen keyboard
[00:17] <RS265> till that point, everything was working fine
[00:18] <RS265> What would do with the on-screen keyboard?  My mouse is also not functional
[00:18] <RS265> no way to input anything
[00:18] <auk> forgot about that :(
[00:18] <RS265> Is there a specific problem with the MX 5500 on Lucid kernel?
[00:19] <RS265> The machine boots predictably but it is completely unusable and I am stuck with using the other OS way more than I want to
[00:20] <RS265> I have half a mind to try other flavors of linux but I don't feel like giving up on Ubuntu
[00:23] <auk> RS265, similar problem to yours but from hardy/intrepid: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=264122
[00:24] <auk> you can google translate: http://translate.google.com/#
[00:25] <RS265> I did google this problem and tried this particular fix.  Didn't work for me
[00:29] <RS265> Thanks auk, I guess I am on my own on this one.  I will continue playing with it whenever possible.
[00:56] <tatters> I have an Intel(R) 945GM graphic card, when I upgrade to Lucid it installs the nvidia-settings manager and nouveau drivers and no 3D ? is this as it should be?
[00:56] <Fishscene> are the dev's constantly releasing updates? I checked this morning and installed all the updates, then I checked right now and there's 68MB of updates.
[00:57] <pierreubuntu> One question - when you mention beta2 release, do we have to download another image, or our installed system automatically (though the updates) gets up to Beta 2?
[00:57] <DasEi> pierreubuntu: automatic
[00:57] <virtuald> fishscene: yes
[00:58] <Fishscene> Awesome. This has the potential to keep me excited every work day. :)
[00:58] <pierreubuntu> Thank you DasEi
[00:58] <DasEi> np
[00:59] <Fishscene> Well, things are looking good. So keep up the good work Dev's.
[01:02] <pierreubuntu> One more question if I may, I am running the virtual box software that was intended for Karmic on Lucid, as a guest I have vista 64 bit (for both host and guest) no matter what i do i cannot access the usb ports from withing guest vista. Has anyone been able to do it? (virtual box 3.1.6)
[01:03] <DasEi> pierreubuntu: see me in #vbox
[01:04] <pierreubuntu> DasEi roger going there now
[01:11] <benomatic> hello!  i have a 9.10 system running, and would like to upgrade to 10.04.  do-release-upgrade doesn't detect 10.04 availability... how do I make the jump (preferably command line)?
[01:12] <DasEi> benomatic: not this time in that way, lucid isn't released yet
[01:12] <DasEi> !lucid
[01:12] <DasEi> fresh install only way at this time
[01:12] <benomatic> i know it's unstable.  i basically want to run beta2 without wiping.
[01:13] <benomatic> gotcha.
[01:13] <DasEi> benomatic: you **could add the repos... better wait the few days, until real urgent cause
[01:14] <benomatic> yeah, i knew i could just add th repos, but i wasn't sure if the "system upgrade" bits get triggered via aptitude
[01:14] <DasEi> until = unless*
[01:14] <Lars_G> Hey dudes and dudettes
[01:14] <DasEi> benomatic: it will, once released
[01:14] <benomatic> understood.  my audio is broken in 9.10 and is reputed to work in 10.04, which sucks for a HTPC :)
[01:15] <Lars_G> Would a plain old apt-get distupgrade work for 9.10->10.4? or is there a prefered -server (cli) tool?
[01:15] <DasEi> benomatic: tried to debug it ?
[01:15] <DasEi> Lars_G: I'll paste you conversation I just had, second
[01:15] <benomatic> DasEi: as well as i can, yes.  posted on alsa-users (no responses), tried lots of things i've found.  but i've seen 2 other ppl say that the 9.10 made their audio go funky w/ this particular motherboard (builtin audio)
[01:16] <Lars_G> errr...
[01:16] <Lars_G> DasEi: I did a gui distro upgrade on my netbook.....
[01:16] <Lars_G> so it's possible.
[01:16] <Lars_G> I just wondered if there was a cli tool or plain old apt-get would do
[01:17] <DasEi> Lars_G: http://paste.ubuntu.com/411857/
[01:17] <h00k> benomatic: you could try do-release-upgrade -d
[01:17] <Nalf> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411783/ anyone know anything about this?
[01:17] <h00k> benomatic: that might do it, but I'm not sure
[01:18] <DasEi> benomatic: which chip / mb is it ?
[01:18] <vinicius> how do I clean my ubuntu one preferences so that it asks me again to add computer?
[01:18] <vinicius> (well, on this install it never actually did)
[01:18] <benomatic> that's truly sad.  i noticed the '-p' opt to do-release-upgrade, but not -d.
[01:19] <Lars_G> benomatic: there's no -d... DasEi says there's no way to update to lucid.
[01:19] <Nalf> Lines 159-178 highlight the issue.
[01:19] <benomatic> DasEi: nvidia 9400 / intel hda audio on a gigabyte mainboad: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9328cfbe38c3c3b017038d338406af289d32fd05
[01:20] <bjsnider> that should work great
[01:20] <Lars_G> you see... the information here is fake! http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha1
[01:20] <Lars_G> There's no way to upgrade to lucid.
[01:20] <bjsnider> does it have an onboard hdmi port?
[01:20] <Lars_G> DasEi: Thanks a lot.
[01:21] <Lars_G> At least I got to google and find the cli command
[01:21] <benomatic> bjsnider: it has an optical out, but i don't tihnk an hdmi.  lemme go check.
[01:21] <Lars_G> DasEi: So you did help me even if you tried not to. so thanks
[01:22] <benomatic> bjsnider: seems like lots of people have it working, but i have no explanation.
[01:22] <DasEi> benomatic: I think you have more luck in recompiling newest alsa, that should work with that chip
[01:22] <DasEi> Lars_G: hum ?
[01:22] <bjsnider> benomatic, with an onboard nvidia 9400 chip it doesn't have an hdmi port?
[01:23] <benomatic> DasEi: i did recompile newest, and no change
[01:23] <Lars_G> DasEi: < DasEi> fresh install only way at this time
[01:23] <benomatic> (last night, actually)
[01:23] <benomatic> bjsnider: it's got spdif and a goofy port that i presume to be hdmi :)
[01:24] <bjsnider> benomatic, coolio
[01:24] <DasEi> Lars_G: unless you rewrite repos, you speak of -d option ?
[01:24] <bjsnider> you can use it as a media center system
[01:24] <bjsnider> connect it to an hdtv
[01:25] <benomatic> i was when running 9.04; but i started using a diff box for my frontend, upgrade to 9.10; then a couple weeks ago i wanted it to be front end again, and found my audio was nowhere to be found.
[01:25] <Lars_G> DasEi: correct
[01:26] <benomatic> i spose i could run the beta2 as a livecd to confirm audio works before upgrading the hard way.
[01:26] <Lars_G> Dist upgrading debian systems so far for me has always required changing repos.
[01:26] <Lars_G> benomatic: that'd be advisable
[01:29] <DasEi> Lars_G: as said, you can in special manners, -d I never tried, but as a distro isn't released, the common dist upgrade won't work (sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release )
[01:29] <nullkuhl> Hello, i try to boot ubuntu 9.1032 and 10.04 64bit , the first using cdrom and the 2nd using flash usb, and in both cases i reach the message of (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system.  it's an HP Envy 15 notebook. ... i check md5sum of iso and i flashed to usb by unetbootin.. Plz Help  .
[01:32] <DasEi> benomatic: good idea, also try a live 9.10, I have no personal experience with that board, but it looks very common to me
[01:35] <benomatic> i tried a 9.10 live a while back with no difference.  as soon as i acquire some cdrs (or get this usb stick to boot) i will try it :)
[01:36] <cozziemoto> hey guys... I have been updating this beta1  the whole time... is anyone having issues changing cursor themes?  not holding...not using another theme?
[01:47] <nullkuhl> Hello, i try to boot ubuntu 9.1032 and 10.04 64bit , the first using cdrom and the 2nd using flash usb, and in both cases i reach the message of (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system.  it's an HP Envy 15 notebook. ... i check md5sum of iso and i flashed to usb by unetbootin.. Plz Help  .
[01:50] <bazhang> nullkuhl, sounds like a bad usb burn
[01:51] <bazhang> nullkuhl, unetbootin is not always 100% reliable the first time, has taken me a couple tries sometimes to get it right
[01:56] <nullkuhl> bazhang: i tried cd as well
[01:56] <nullkuhl> and liliusb tool
[01:56] <bazhang> nullkuhl, try again, also try another usb stick if possible
[01:57] <nullkuhl> bazhang: tried that already :)
[01:57] <nullkuhl> and the usbs works on a different machine with no problem
[02:21] <BoondoKlife> Anyone having cd/dvd issues. Cant get lucid to see them since I updated today
[02:37] <LinuxGuy2009> Im trying out the new easyMP3gain program from the repos to set the gain tag in all my ripped CDs in AAC format. Im wondering what music players support gain tags in MP3 and AAC files anyways? Do most?
[02:58] <wick94> hey guys
[02:59] <wick94> i need some help
[02:59] <wick94> i installed 10.04 beta 2
[02:59] <wick94> and my desktop effects arent enabling properly
[02:59] <wick94> i m tryin to set them to "high" but it doesnt work and the program stops responding
[02:59] <wick94> any ideas?
[03:13] <gotsanity-book> my touchpad stopped scrolling after the latest update. Anyone have any idea how to fix it?
[03:14] <Blue11> gotsanity-book: what kind of touchpad?  my cirque works fine
[03:17] <gotsanity-book> i believe its an alps
[03:19] <gotsanity-book> Blue11, its definatly an alps touchpad
[03:21] <Blue11> gotsanity-book: not fam with that one...
[03:21] <Blue11> gotsanity-book: you have tried another mouse?
[03:21] <Blue11> gotsanity-book: or tried the mouse on another machine?
[03:22] <gotsanity-book> Blue11, its a notebook, but i know its not malfunctioning because it worked before the update around 20 mins ago
[03:22] <Blue11> ahh my net book is runing 9.10  but did work on the lucid live cd (netbook remix)
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Every so often I still get X booting up into 'low res  recovery type dialog' but if i just tell it to 'exit to the console' it some how restarts X and works properly
[03:24] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: not seen that one
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> ive seen it a great many times. even the netbook with intel video had a similer ssue.
[03:25] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if it could be a byproduct of the updateing, perhaps the old drivers dident kick in, then triggered the message. then the new ones got autoloaded
[03:25] <Dr_Willis> i cant make it repeate the  'issue'
[03:25] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: could be a new "feature"
[03:27] <VoJe> does anyone know how i can check if i have upgraded to beta 2?
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> update, upgrade, you are in beta2
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> VoJe: You origianlly upgraded to beta1 or somthing? or did a clean install?
[03:30] <VoJe> just did update, upgrade earlier today as part of routine, then found out beta 2 was out and wanted to check if i had beta 2 installed already.
[03:30] <VoJe> wanted to doublecheck
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> Then you got beta2
[03:33] <avis> JoJe, i updated then did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and i believe that did it
[03:33] <avis> VoJe sorry
[03:34] <BoondoKLife> Has anyone tried burning a dvd this evening? After an update today, my drive does not see blank media. I can see data cd/dvd though
[03:35] <Zenker> i have perhaps a silly question, but ist a question nevertheless, ok here it goes :) when i have a program running on one workspace lets say for arguments sake-if i have DeVeDe working on converting an avi for burning on a dvd-and i switch to a diff workspace, does this hinder or "pause" the program(s) i have running on the previous workspace?
[03:35] <BoondoKLife> Zenker, No it should not
[03:35] <bazhang> Zenker, no
[03:37] <Blue11> Zenker: they should round robin share  -- shouldn't be noticeable
[03:37] <Zenker> ahh ok, i didnt think so (well i know it will be hindered depending on what im doing on the other workspace) but i just wanted 2 know for sure if simply switching to another workspace caused the progs on the other 2 be slowed
[03:38] <Blue11> Zenker: one thing about the ipad - it's a uni-tasker
[03:38] <Blue11> so it never has that problem
[03:39] <Blue11> also, there will NEVER be a max ipad
[03:39] <Zenker> that was an easy one, heres a hard one, for some reason a little earlier i was doing this metacity stopped functioning. it's still not working right i had to add a startup item "metacity --replace" to have any windows, any suggestions on how 2 diagnose/repair the real issue?
[03:40] <Blue11> Zenker: they released some metacity updates yesterday, because they broke compiz -- but I've had no issues
[03:40] <Zenker> yup, i got the updates, im wondering if the updates are buggy for my sys or what, i was runnin the heck out of this machine b4 them and had no issues either
[03:41] <Blue11> Zenker: curious what video card do you have?  Hint:  lspci | grep VGA
[03:41] <Zenker> oh, and actually, i just installed 10.04 yesterday (a format/install over ubunut 9.10)
[03:42] <Zenker> Blue11 my vid is umm the microsoft chipset family i think is what its called
[03:42] <Blue11> Zenker: you of course backed up /etc/ and /home/ first, right?
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> there was some issues in the last day or so that broke Compiz  (and thus the need to fallback to metacity) but I thought it was fixed now
[03:42] <Blue11> Zenker: do the lspci that will tell us
[03:43] <Odd-rationale> Hello! Is acroread no longer in the lucid partner repository?
[03:43] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: i can't get compiz to work --
[03:43] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: otoh, I have an old ati card.
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  its working on my other nvidia box. Not tried it on the intel box.
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> no idea on ati.
[03:43] <Zenker> nope, i didnt do any backups, i just saved any stuff i wanted to my external hd.  then i installed 10.04 via disk and removed/reformatted the 9.10 partition
[03:43] <Blue11> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[03:44] <Blue11> Zenker: I have had lots less trouble doing that (laying down brand new) then upgrading - you did it the right way
[03:44] <ZykoticK9> Odd-rationale, no it isn't
[03:44] <Zenker> ;) i know, thats why i did it that way rofl
[03:45] <Volkodav> nvidia upgraded from 195.36.15 to the same version ?
[03:45] <Odd-rationale> ZykoticK9: Do you know where I can get it? will medibuntu provide it again? thx!
[03:45] <Capt_Blackwood> ok can somenody please help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/411903/
[03:45] <ZykoticK9> Odd-rationale, i just downloaded installed the bin direct from Adobe
[03:45] <Odd-rationale> ZykoticK9: oh, ok.
[03:45] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: if up?
[03:46] <Capt_Blackwood> what?
[03:46] <Capt_Blackwood> hang on
[03:46] <Zenker> also ive noticed another thing, the bug reporter is poping up sometimes saying that a prog crashed  which hasent -such as the software center, which is running just fine
[03:46] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: sudo ifup wlan0    iirc
[03:46] <Capt_Blackwood> no sorry...this http://imagebin.org/92453
[03:46] <Capt_Blackwood> internet works :D
[03:47] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: quite normal
[03:47] <Capt_Blackwood> ok...so how can i fix that and get that to show active...
[03:47] <Capt_Blackwood> ???
[03:47] <Blue11> just activate it.
[03:48] <Capt_Blackwood> I tried that...it didn't work
[03:48] <Blue11> the error message is pretty standard for all vendor supplied drivers
[03:48] <Capt_Blackwood> kept giving me error messages of driver failor
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. a $100 netbook  to be released..  sounds like a good  fit for ubuntu! :0
[03:48] <Capt_Blackwood> are you sure...because i don't think that's normal...
[03:49] <Zenker> sooo, i guess as long as metacity is running (via the metacity --replace start up item) its gonna be ok?
[03:49] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: quite sure it did that on my nvidia card in 9.10
[03:49] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, i don't think it's "normal" either -- could you find "VGA Compatible controller" in the output of "lspci -vnvn" and see if "Kernel driver in use: nvidia"
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> Zenker:  you could install the 'fusion-icon' tool  it lets you switch from compiz to metacity very easially
[03:50] <Zenker> i didnt install compiz or ccsm, are parts of it installed "out of the box"
[03:50] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: I will post the output
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> compiz = installed by default on ubuntu, ccsm = not
[03:51] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, did you happen to try installing the nvidia driver from nvidia's site by chance?
[03:51] <Blue11> !pastebin | blue11
[03:52] <Capt_Blackwood> no ZykoticK9
[03:52] <Zenker> ahh i see, so then that tell me that compiz is the source of the issues :0 ill just leave the start up item then that way i dont have 2 mess with it
[03:52] <Zenker> thanks guys
[03:52] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, ok that's good
[03:52] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: http://paste.ubuntu.com/411906/
[03:52] <Capt_Blackwood> http://pastebin.com/iTESvq3Q <here's the output of lspci -vnvn
[03:52] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: this is from a 64 bit 9.10 system
[03:53] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, it does say it's currently using the proprietary nvidia driver
[03:53] <Zenker> yall have a good night now
[03:53] <Capt_Blackwood> if it's using it why that screen then?
[03:54] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: updated driver?
[03:54] <Capt_Blackwood> any way i can reset it so i can activate it via the driver selection screen?
[03:54] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, your output does differ from Blue11's in yours has nouveau listed as a kernel modules and Blue11's doesn't ???  not sure if that's important or not.
[03:54] <Blue11> Capt_Blackwood: fwiw I am using the 185 driver
[03:55] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, mine has noveau listed as well
[03:55] <Blue11> dinner time - bbl - hope that helps
[03:56] <Capt_Blackwood> blue's does not have noveau
[03:56] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, true - but i don't think that's an issue - as my nvidia is working fine.
[03:57] <Capt_Blackwood> well somethings is not right and i'd like to fix that...how can i disable the drivers so i can enable them via the GUI?
[03:58] <Capt_Blackwood> there's gotta be a way...
[03:58] <Capt_Blackwood> if the computer is using them i can shut them off...but how?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> anyone notice the consoles being sort of purplish again?
[04:05] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, LOL - so i just opened my Hardware Drivers - and mine is the same!  "A different version of this driver is in use" and nothing can be activated.
[04:05] <Capt_Blackwood> hmm...
[04:06] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, it's just a "bug" with hardware drivers - the nvidia driver "should" be working fine
[04:06] <Capt_Blackwood> it is...but i'm manually having to activate nvclock now
[04:06] <Capt_Blackwood> i don't want to do that
[04:06] <ZykoticK9> Capt_Blackwood, i don't use nvclock so i'm no help there
[04:10] <Zenker> ok 1 more silly question, i have ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) so i suppose i need to install the ubuntu 64-bit hulu desktop from hulu.com?
[04:10] <Zenker> the other option is Fedora 64 bit
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu 64 bit... yes.. you want ubuntu 64bit...
[04:11] <Zenker> cool thanks anyone else have the hulu desktop ?
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> ive used it befor Zenker  it works.. but was flakey.
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> not tried it lately
[04:12] <Zenker> yah the overlay blinks when u move your mouse, but ill deal :)
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> every time i pause a video.. it would basically crash for me. l;ast i tried it
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> there was somne hack to download hulu videos out the other day.. proberly been 'fixed' by now. :)
[04:13] <Zenker> yup its working perfectly now, the overlay isnt blinking anymore either :)
[04:15] <Zenker> btw if i want 2 record anything from it i just use a screed capture and sound capture prog ;) works pretty good but sometimes its hard to sync the sound
[04:15] <Zenker> oops thats *screen not screed
[04:23] <IdleOne> ohhh 101 updates :)
[04:23] <IdleOne> can't wait!
[04:23] <nullkuhl> how to access temperature sensors in ubuntu, i remember it was some echo command from a certain directory or so ? plz help
[04:24] <DanaG> !info lm-sensors
[04:24] <IdleOne> nullkuhl: cross posting :/
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> 132 updates here.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> and i thought i just updated like.. 10 hrs ago.
[04:36] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: yeah same here
[04:36] <bullgard> What are »retweets« in System > Preferences > Broadcast Preferences > Messages > Retweet > "Send retweets to all services"?
[04:37] <IdleOne> I think a retweet is when you want to repost a tweet
[04:37] <IdleOne> I don't user twitter much
[04:37] <bullgard> IdleOne: And what is a tweet?
[04:38] <IdleOne> bullgard: twitter.com
[04:38] <IdleOne> tweet == post
[04:38] <bullgard> IdleOne: Thank you very much.
[04:38] <IdleOne> no problem :)
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> tweet = 'useless comment that people seem to think that OTHER people actually want to read' :P
[04:39] <IdleOne> or that :)
[04:39] <IdleOne> reason why I don't use twitter
[04:39] <IdleOne> I got enough useless crap to keep track of :)
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> saw a tee shirt with the twitter bird with a chat baloon that said 'No One cares'  :)
[04:40] <IdleOne> truer words were never printed on a t-shirt
[04:40]  * Dr_Willis slogs through all the rambling on facebook..
[04:41] <IdleOne> ahhh I got a red power off icon :( telling me Restart Required
[04:41] <IdleOne> that blows
[04:41]  * IdleOne refuses
[04:41] <IdleOne> I am fighting the system!
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> at leat its not nagging you every 20 min....
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> and counting down to  a forced reboot...
[04:42] <IdleOne> true
[04:42] <IdleOne> I actually appreciate the color change not invassive like the 20 minute nag
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> funny thing about dual booting windows/linux and being in linux 90% of the time.. every TIME i boot to windows.. within 10 min.. its nagging me to reboot for updates to get installed.
[04:43] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: I requested access to work network so I could work from home and they told me that I have to use windows for security reason :/
[04:43] <IdleOne> I was like uhhhh yeah ok I'll come into the office
[04:44] <bullgard> Dr_Willis:  Thank you for commenting.
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  makes you wonder how they are going to 'verify' that requirement
[04:44] <virtuald> dr_willis: the most annoying thing about that nag popup is when you accidentally press reboot
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> Annoyances from os's  past and future.. :)
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> Trival task = confirm it 3 times...
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> dangerout task - single click.. and do it!
[04:45] <virtuald> 8]
[04:45] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: actually they provide us with laptops for work but I asked if I could use my personnal computer and that is when they told me about windows and security. guess my ubuntu tattoo gave me away :)
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> TuX on the forhead?
[04:46] <DanaG> virtuald: at least win7 has "don't reboot" as default.
[04:46] <IdleOne> Circle of Friends on forearm
[04:46] <johnnyCbad> Hello, I'm on Lucid and while doing my routine daily update, it's frozen at grub-pc. This is usually where a diolog promps me to upgrade or keep current version but it isn't
[04:46] <IdleOne> :)
[04:46] <DanaG> Worst thing I've ever seen people "like" on mouse settings:
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> Another anoyance .  no 'ignore all' or 'yes for all' type buttons...
[04:46] <DanaG> some people I know have their systems set so that the mouse forcibly JUMPS to the default button any time a dialog box opens.
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> You have 51 farmville gift requests.  ... I have to hit ignore 51 times...
[04:46] <IdleOne> yup
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> DanaG:  ive seen that and used that. :)
[04:46]  * DanaG is mousing around....wtf did I just click?
[04:47] <DanaG> Something popped up, and I haven't a clue what I just clicked!
[04:47] <DanaG> =P
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticved dialog boxs in beta appearing below the parents on  some machines..
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> DanaG:  Yep. or typing in irc.. dialog apepars you hit enter.. and it goes away
[04:47] <IdleOne> you guys talking on ubuntu ?
[04:47] <DanaG> One thing I wish I could do on Ubuntu (now more on-topic):
[04:48] <DanaG> "Install updates and shut down".
[04:48] <IdleOne> cause I haven't seen that behavior at all
[04:48] <virtuald> danag: doesn't matter much when it comes up every 15th minute or so and you're typing stuff
[04:48] <DanaG> I'd love to be able to have the thing log me out, install updates automatically, and then power off.
[04:48] <virtuald> maybe every 15th
[04:48] <virtuald> 10th
[04:49] <DanaG> so you stop once and hit "4 hours".
[04:49] <virtuald> 8]
[04:49] <DanaG> !release
[04:49] <DanaG> !lucid
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> You could write a little script to update, upgrade, then power off..
[04:50] <virtuald>     - Stop exporting DM key information. (Closes: #576687, LP: #556651,
[04:50] <virtuald>       CVE-2010-1149)
[04:50]  * DanaG wonders if the EFL netbook-launcher would work on NV17.
[04:50] <virtuald>  o.o
[04:50] <IdleOne> !paste > virtuald
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> Ive had some quirks with the EFL netbook vs the normal netbook launchers
[04:51] <virtuald> it was just two lines, it's not my fault the bots are spammy
[04:51] <johnnyCbad> Hello, I'm on Lucid and while doing my routine daily update, it's frozen at grub-pc. This is usually where a diolog promps me to upgrade or keep current version but it isn't
[04:52] <DanaG> now I need to figure out how to convince my brother (whose old laptop it is) that ubuntu netbook remix is a better fit for a grandparent than winxp.
[04:52] <johnnyCbad> Advice would be great please, quite worried that I'll end up with an unbootable system
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. is there a simple screensaver that can show a browser/web site - such as -> www.fullscreenweather.com
[04:53] <bullgard> System > Preferences > »Personal File Sharing« opens the window »Personal File Sharing Preferences« mentioning "This feature cannot be enabled because the required packages are not installed on your system." What packages do I have to install yet?
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> that would make for a nice screensaver
[04:53] <virtuald> danag: netbook edition ;>
[04:54] <IdleOne> bullgard: samba
[04:54] <IdleOne> but it should of offered to install it for you
[04:55] <IdleOne> bullgard: hmm not samba
[04:55] <IdleOne> I have samba installed
[04:55] <bullgard> IdleOne: The packages samba-common and samba-common-bin are installed by default.
[04:56] <IdleOne> bullgard: good question. I have no idea
[04:56] <DanaG> edition, yeah.
[05:01] <Moc> it seem the install of 10.04 on laptop in docking issue happen in 9.10 also, didn't noticed it before
[05:02] <Moc> ha compiz alt-tab is alot quicker on 9.10 than 10.04
[05:06] <MTughan> Moc: More likely a configuration change in Compiz rather than anything with 10.04.
[05:10] <nickevasion> hello, I'm having some slight trouble with kubuntu's network manager(10.04), it connects to ethernet only if I have it plugged in on boot, and even though my wireless card works(b43 with sta driver), it fails to connect to networks, no error just doesn't finish connecting, and soon stops trying. any help?
[05:11] <swoody> nickevasion: I have had issues connecting in KDE, too (STA driver, too) have you considered using wicd?
[05:12] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm having issues with bug 426556
[05:12] <nickevasion> swoody, I have considered it, first thought actually, just curious if there is a fix
[05:13] <jdsbluedevl> Does anyone know anything about the problems policykit is giving me on CPU and memory?
[05:13] <swoody> nickevasion: yeah, I can't help you there other than to suggest wicd, I use gnome now :/
[05:14] <nickevasion> swoody, Thanks, I usually use wicd on KDE anyways
[05:15] <swoody> nickevasion: it get's my +1 since you can use it with every DE out there ;)
[05:15] <nickevasion> Yeah, I wonder if there is a QT 4 GUI though
[05:16] <swoody> hmm... I haven't seen one, but that would be very useful :)
[05:16] <nickevasion> Yeah, it really would
[05:17] <nickevasion> I believe there was an attempt at one time
[05:17] <nickevasion> at least for KDE 3
[05:19] <nickevasion> swoody, http://github.com/anarsoul/wicd-qt4
[05:20] <jdsbluedevl> anyone here experience problems with policykit hogging all the CPU and memory?
[05:20] <swoody> nickevasion: ah, very nice. And it looks like it's rather actively maintained :)
[05:20] <swoody> !patience | jdsbluedevl
[05:20] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, I tried that, nothing
[05:20] <nickevasion> Well, at least up until late January
[05:21] <jdsbluedevl> most I can get is reporting a bug that's already been filed
[05:21] <swoody> nickevasion: well ya gotta take a break at some point ;)
[05:21] <swoody> jdsbluedevl: have you added yourself to the existing bug as 'also affects'?
[05:21] <nickevasion> yeah I guess so haha
[05:21] <swoody> and left a comment on it
[05:21] <swoody> jdsbluedevl: ^
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> I did it through ubuntu-bug, then left a comment
[05:23] <swoody> jdsbluedevl: well if the bug exists I would say to keep an eye on the bug report, and if there's no solutions or workarounds proposed in the bug report, you might just have to wait for a fix to be released :/
[05:23] <jdsbluedevl> and kill the process every six hours
[05:23] <jdsbluedevl> grrr
[05:23] <swoody> that's the fun of Beta ;)
[05:23] <swoody> lol
[05:24] <jdsbluedevl> sounds like a problem that was originally in Karmic, though
[05:24] <swoody> and the bug report is still open? hmm...
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Hulu Desktop is working much better now in 10.04 then the last time i used it.
[05:25] <swoody> Dr_Willis: yeah, I've noticed it's a lot more smooth :)
[05:26] <swoody> not sure whether I'd attribute it to new version of Flash, new Ubuntu, or maybe changes in Hulu
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> the interface could still use a little work. I find it hard to navigate
[05:27] <geekphreak> hey guys
[05:27] <swoody> true, it is still very much a work in progress
[05:27] <swoody> !hello | geekphreak
[05:27] <swoody> :)
[05:28] <geekphreak> how do i change encrypted  home diretory password?
[05:28] <geekphreak> directory*
[05:28] <geekphreak> i am on lucid
[05:29] <swoody> geekphreak: http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/Ecryptfs/
[05:29] <swoody> geekphreak: scroll down a bit
[05:29] <geekphreak> hey swoody thanks man :)
[05:29] <swoody> GUI and cli instructions :)
[05:29] <swoody> np :)
[05:37] <DanaG> hmm, the new logo on the login screen is decent... but the "circle" looks lumpy.
[05:38] <Blue11> lumpy?
[05:38] <DanaG> Yeah.  It's not a perfect circle.
[05:38] <geekphreak> swoody:  done :)
[05:38] <Blue11> i think he was a character on "leave it to beaver"
[05:38] <jdsbluedevl> DanaG: speaking of which, I need to fix my login screen.  It got messed up
[05:38] <DanaG> Either that, or my new glasses are confusing my eyes.
[05:38] <swoody> geekphreak: great to hear :)
[05:38] <DanaG> =P
[05:39] <swoody> jdsbluedevl: what's funky about the login?
[05:40] <jdsbluedevl> it just looks plain and generic,
[05:40] <swoody> jdsbluedevl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1333683
[05:41] <swoody> jdsbluedevl: scroll down to the GDM section :)
[05:44] <SandGorgon> ahh... new kubuntu install : no nepmuk, strigi, akonadi being used... feels quite zippy
[05:44] <SandGorgon> now.. i'm liking 10.04
[05:45] <swoody> SandGorgon: did you install kde-minimal and build it up? I did that before, and was suprised how quick it was
[05:46] <geekphreak> swoody: 1 more thing , you on lucid right
[05:46] <swoody> geekphreak: yep
[05:46] <geekphreak> swoody:  when you run rkhunter scan, does it say rookit found?
[05:47] <swoody> geekphreak: not sure, I don't use rkhunter...
[05:47] <swoody> let me give it a shot
[05:47] <geekphreak> k
[05:49] <digital_11> Anyone know what the rational was behind switching from the default Google search engine to Yahoo?
[05:49] <swoody> geekphreak: does this take a while to scan?
[05:49] <swoody> digital_11: that has actually been reversed :D
[05:49] <geekphreak> swoody: no like 3min
[05:49] <digital_11> swoody?  Is that right?
[05:49] <digital_11> swoody:  post beta 2?
[05:49] <swoody> digital_11: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-drops-yahoo-will-use-google.html
[05:50] <digital_11> thanks Swoody!
[05:50] <swoody> well I understand it'll be back before stable
[05:50] <bullgard> yelp: "gnome-user-share is a session service that exports the contents of the Public folder in your home directory, so that they can easily accessed from other computers lon the same local network. On the other computers, the shared folder will appear with a name like »'users's shared files« in the Nautilus Network window. gnome-user-share uses a WebDAV server to share the Public folder, and...
[05:50] <bullgard> ...advertises the share on the local network using mDNS." On computer 2 I put a file in ~/Public. On computer 3 Nautilus > Network shows only a »Windows Network« of unknown type and no announcement. Avahi did work all right yesterday, though. What went wrong?
[05:51] <swoody> geekphreak: I got suspicious file types in /dev :/
[05:51] <swoody> oh I guess not, the final screen shows it's all clean
[05:51] <geekphreak> it dont say string rootkit found?
[05:51] <geekphreak> hmm
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> well hulu desktop was playing video fine.. got to comercial break.. and it goofed up.
[05:53] <swoody> geekphreak: nope :/
[05:53] <SandGorgon> swoody: I really wish someone would make a KDE minimal without all this kmail, korganizer, quassell junk. But I did not take the trouble to go and install from kde-minimal
[05:53] <DanaG> hmm, for me, samba isn't advertized unless I manually add an mdns service.
[05:53] <geekphreak> then i will have to scan again
[05:53] <swoody> Dr_Willis: was it just a delay? I noticed mine takes a while to DL the commercial, as it's not buffered while you're watching videos
[05:53] <DanaG> oh, I see... that's not samba you're speaking of.
[05:53] <DanaG> ... maybe.
[05:54] <SandGorgon> swoody: I just eliminated all software that uses nepomuk/strigi/akonadi and life is good - using kvirc for chat
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> swoody:  it gave an error.. about bandwith or somthing.. but it did count down. i just saw no comercial. :) so thats good in ways
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> I figured it would just crash heh.
[05:54] <swoody> SandGorgon: yeah, that's how I do my gnome, too :)
[05:55] <swoody> Dr_Willis: ah, yeah mine will sometimes display that it's unable to display the advertisement (no complaints here) but that's only about 20% of the time
[05:56] <swoody> well, I'm off for the night. Take care everyone :)
[05:56] <digital_11> Nite swoody
[05:59] <digital_11> Dr_Willis are you using 64-bit flash?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> I dont think so digital_11 . using whatever go installed by default
[05:59] <geekphreak> swoody:  you take it easy man, thanks again
[06:00] <digital_11> Dr_Willis:  I was using the default player but I was getting some crashes too.  I'm trying the native 64-bit from Adobe Labs.  I think the default Repo for AMD64 bit still uses 32-bit libs.
[06:00] <Gent> is there any way to show just text in menus & toolbars like you used to be able to?
[06:01] <dim3000> anyone have a fix for the apperance properties freeze
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> yea i think it does also.
[06:01] <gerryxiao> how to know my ubuntu is lucid beta1 or beta 2 ?
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> digital_11:  i did notice the Hulyu web site - dident want to stream to me.. but huludesktop worked.
[06:02] <gerryxiao> any command to display  "beta " something?
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> Update and upgrade and it will be Beta2 :)
[06:02] <digital_11> Dr_Willis:  You're exactly right- same here I just tried that now.
[06:02] <digital_11> back to 32 bit libs I guess.
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> I am using 32bit flash here i think. :)
[06:03] <Gent> anyone at all?
[06:03] <gerryxiao> Dr_Willis: ;)
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Gent: if you knew where the setting was at befor, look for it now.. see if its still there. Its possible it got removed.
[06:05] <Gent> It's not,the whole thing was removed from system preferences
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> guess its gone.
[06:05] <Gent> I'm looking for a workaround or perhaps a gconf hack
[06:06] <Gent> I can't imagine gnome removed it upstream
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> they have removed other things...
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> Gent, have a look at Desktop / Gnome / Interface -- "menus_have_icons" -- might be what your looking for, i'm not sure though
[06:07] <Gent> yes, I know that, but this plays into the whole gnome menu and toolbar system last I checked
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> Gent, that's a gconf path
[06:07] <Gent> ZykoticK9: not that, but found it sitting right next to it
[06:07] <Gent> thanks much
[06:08] <Gent> was looking for toolbar_style
[06:08] <Gent> I like text only
[06:12] <robertzaccour> hey yall how's it goin?
[06:13] <digital_11> Hello robertzaccour
[06:14] <Gent> now, if only compiz could speed up a bit
[06:14] <Zenker> is there a way to change the setting to do nothing when i close my laptop lid (in other words can i make it to where the laptop keeps doing what its doing even if i close the lid)?
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> in the power saver settings dialogs.. i set it where i shut the lid and the light just turns off.
[06:16] <robertzaccour> compiz is nice, i use AWN with the lower taskbar deleted
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> Ive gotten where i cant stand any of the docks out there.
[06:17] <Zenker> Dr_Willis i guess what i want is blank screen?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> Zenker:  i think so..   no point in having the lcd be on with the lid closed.
[06:17] <Zenker> thanks again :)
[06:22] <robertzaccour> i think AWN is nice
[06:30] <bullgard> yelp: "gnome-user-share is a session service that exports the contents of the Public folder in your home directory, so that they can easily accessed from other computers lon the same local network. On the other computers, the shared folder will appear with a name like »'users's shared files« in the Nautilus Network window. gnome-user-share uses a WebDAV server to share the Public folder, and...
[06:30] <bullgard> ...advertises the share on the local network using mDNS." On computer 2 I put a file in ~/Public. On computer 3 Nautilus > Network shows only a »Windows Network« of unknown type and no announcement. Avahi did work all right yesterday, though. What went wrong?
[06:33] <xfact> Hello
[06:34] <xfact> The visual effect issue is still going on? Cause since running Beta 2 updates I can't enable my visual effects :(
[06:34] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I thought I'd ask again with more people in here.  Does anyone else in here have problems with CPU and memory usage by PolicyKit?
[06:37] <Ronald> In karmic when you dragged a window by the titlebar to the top of the screen it would maximise. In Lucidbeta it doesn't... is that intended :D?
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> Ronald:  i never noticed that in karmic.
[06:39] <Ronald> Try if you have it running ;)
[06:40] <Ronald> got both in vbox, both have all fancy efefcts disabled (due to not having 3d enabled in the VM... not all that stable yet)
[06:40] <DanaG> I've only ever noticed that happening IF I drag away from maximized... it'll go back to maximized when you reach the top.
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a compiz feature to me Ronald
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> DanaG:  yea. that i do recall seeing
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> KDE4 has  a feature like win7 to max 1/2 way if you drag to sides, or full on the top
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> anyone using the netbook edition notice that in the ubuntu netbook - theres a titlebar/close button in the top panel.. but in the EFL/2d netbook interface its missing?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> and i cant figure out what  panel applet  is handlign that
[06:42] <Ronald> Dr_Willis, well i can see why you think so. But i have both in Karmic and Lucid i have Visual efefcts to none (system-preferences-appearance)
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> There is a compiz settng/tool that can emulate that Win7 sidesnap/maxamize feature also.
[06:43] <Ronald> oh that sounds good :P
[06:45] <robertzaccour> hey check it
[06:45] <robertzaccour> here's what my setup looks like http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Knuckle_Brawler/Screenshot-2.png?t=1270877235
[06:45] <bullgard> Where has the menu item System > Preferences > Multimedia Systems Selector gone?
[06:46] <DanaG> Dr_Willis: where'zat tool?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> http://drop.io/dw2nnfw
[06:47] <robertzaccour> bullgard, its there, autohide
[06:47] <robertzaccour> bullgard, when i bring the arrow to the top it pops down
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> DanaG:  i forget what one did it. i saw it mentioned at some compiz forum/thread/comments once a few weeks back
[06:48] <Ronald> Dr_Willis, does lucid run compiz in 2d only mode (or something to that extend) and not nautilus, when visual efefcts set to none??
[06:48] <bullgard> robertzaccour: I do not understand what do you mean by "autohide"? A menu item that hides automatically? What is the useof such a mechanism?
[06:48] <Ronald> metacity, not nautilus
[06:49] <robertzaccour> bullgard, bring your arrow to the panel, right click, properties
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> no effects = enable metacity.  effects = enable compiz
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> metacity can be set to enavbel a few minor compositing effectsds
[06:50] <Ronald> karmic on compiz visual effects normal behaves same as lucid visual effects none
[06:51] <robertzaccour> bullgard, did ya get it?
[06:51] <bullgard> robertzaccour: My upper panel autohides. But I was referring to a GNOME menu item. This GNOME menu item does no longer exist in Lucid Beta2. Where has it gone?
[06:52] <robertzaccour> bullgard, it does exist, i just put mine on autohide
[06:52] <bullgard> robertzaccour: What's the use of autohiding a menu item?
[06:53] <robertzaccour> bullgard, make the screen look bigger and the cool wallpaper take up the whole screen :)
[06:54] <bullgard> robertzaccour: Well. Even if I unhide the upper panel, the menu item »Multimedia Systems Selector« does not exist with me. What is the reason?
[06:56] <Torrentow_> Hello World!
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> Wello Horld
[06:58] <Torrentow_> :D
[06:59] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, good to see you keep your sense of humour even after dealing with difficult/rude people in other channels ;)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> wait till he gets  my Bill.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> answer peoples specific questions they ask.. and they get mad you dident fix their original problem that they never mention.
[07:00] <robertzaccour> bullgard, it shouldn't change anything at all. it just goes up and down
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  i think my logic of 'sudo not working?' then you are doing somthing wrong, or you broke it...   is correct. :)
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm this adobe air app i installed earlier.. stopped working.
[07:00] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, as do I - i don't think he felt that way though
[07:01] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, did he leave the channel or was he (appropriatly) removed?
[07:02] <bullgard> robertzaccour: [solved] I tagged it in Edit Menues > Main Menu > System > Preferences > Multimedia Systems Selector.
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  he left i guess. :)
[07:05] <ZykoticK9> ryanc_ if you still have Gnome installed as well, simply log out, and on the GDM (the login screen) you should be able to select XFCE instead of Gnome as your session
[07:05] <robertzaccour> bullgard, super :)
[07:05] <ryanc_> ZykoticK9: Nope :(
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> I always keep a spare window manager installed :)
[07:05] <histo> ryanc_: you can pick a default session on the login screen
[07:05] <ryanc_> Where?
[07:05] <ZykoticK9> ryanc_, no?  that's different.  sorry i haven't installed xfce under Lucid
[07:05] <acuster> hey all, does renaming shortcuts in nautilus not work in the beta2?
[07:06] <ryanc_> I don't see a session chooser anywhere?
[07:06] <Ronald> bottom of screen?
[07:06] <acuster> 0) open nautilus 1) drag random folder to bottom left of side pane 2) right click on folder => rename 3) type 'santa-claus' => fails?
[07:06] <ryanc_> I see the universal access and the shut down menu
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> acuster:  thats a 'bookmark' i think. not reallyt a short cut.. let me try it and see
[07:07] <acuster> s/folder/shortcut
[07:07] <acuster> ah okay 'bookmark'
[07:07] <ZykoticK9> ryanc_, click you user name first then you get more options at the bottom
[07:07] <robertzaccour> hey yall goin to sleep, later yall
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> acuster:  cant rename them hhere.. i dont recall ever trying to rena,me them befor
[07:08] <ryanc_> ZykoticK9: there it is.  thank you.
[07:08] <ZykoticK9> ryanc_, glad to help
[07:09] <acuster> Dr_Willis, thanks. Renaming is useful if you have lots of 'bookmarks' with the same name that you need to jump between.
[07:09] <acuster> (e.g. branches of code)
[07:10] <Torrentow_> 19 days to stabile ubuntu 10.04
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Checking out this neat little radio app i found . sadly it uses adobe air..  but its still cool.  I was suprsed the web link to 'install adobe air' worked -->  http://bcdef.org/antenna/
[07:11] <Ronald> if there is anyone from bluez... Logitech Dinovo desktop (2.0) on karmic was a bad experience... on Lucid it was far worse... (Karmic replugging it would put it in usb-hid mode, so become usable, lucid insists on properly pairing, which actually works, but you need a spare mouse-keyboard for it)
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> I have to woner why adobe's flash links cant work the same way
[07:12] <Ronald> it should definetly start up in usb-hid mode before pairing... its a sure way to drive a new user back to windows
[07:12] <bullgard> Dr_Willis: '~$ dict woner; No definitions found for "woner", perhaps you mean: gcide:  Wone  Owner  Wonder  Wonger  boner  Moner  Wooer; wn:  owner  wonder  boner  goner  loner  toner  wooer; german-english:  woher; english-german:  owner  boner  loner  wooer  wonder.'
[07:13] <Torrentow_> emerge russian-gramar
[07:14] <Torrentow_> :D
[07:16] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, wow!  I just installed Antenna (and Air) on 64bit Ubuntu using Chromium - and it all worked flawlessly - and as expected!  Much different from the last time I tried an Air app.  Antenna seems cool as well, thanks for the tip.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  it played the first time i installed it.. but ive updated/upgraded/rebooted.. and not its not playng on pc #2
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> it is playing on PC #1
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> Well that's not good news - 'cause Antenna is cool!
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> its not launching on pc 2.. not sure why
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> guess i could reinstall :)
[07:21] <histo> what is antenna?
[07:21] <ZykoticK9> histo, air based online radio tuner program
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> with a neat 'globe of the world' showing stations
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> and a chat feature
[07:22] <histo> for playing radio streams? i'm confused
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> streams from radio stations - yes
[07:22] <ZykoticK9> i'm sure that globe is google maps - very similar interface
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> globe is Yahoo Maps. or somthing liek that
[07:22] <histo> where did you get the package from?
[07:22] <histo> yahoo = google now I thought
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Checking out this neat little radio app i found . sadly it uses adobe air..  but its still cool.  I was suprsed the web link to 'install adobe air' worked -->  http://bcdef.org/antenna/
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> yahoo is not google. :)
[07:23] <histo> I thouht google bought them
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> the app installs by itself via the web site hen ya click on it.
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> histo:  not seen that in the news..
[07:24] <histo> google owns everythign else anyways
[07:24] <ZykoticK9> histo, MS bought yahoo i believe
[07:24] <Ronald> tried and failed
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> I thought MS was trying to :)
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> then there was the amuseing google->yahoo->google default search changes in our default browsers.
[07:25] <histo> yeah
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. cant get Antenna to run or even reinstll now on pc #2
[07:27] <histo> looks interesting though neat little app
[07:27] <histo> i'll have to check it out sometime
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> cant get adobe air to do squat now on the other box..  how annoying
[07:32] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, you have to keep in mind - Air is by the people that brought you Flash...
[07:42] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, it didn't even take a reboot in my case to break Antenna, just closing it - now it doesn't re-open
[07:45] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, from cli - getting the error "libadobecertstore.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[07:49] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, the problem was due to 64bit -- copying /usr/lib/libadobecertstore.so to /usr/lib32 - now Antenna opens again.
[07:51] <dddm> I cannot access grub for some reason, it goes from bios to splash screen with no grub input, is there something im missing here?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  how.. interesting. Makes me wonder how it ran the first time
[07:52] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, that is a mystery
[07:53] <dddm> I boot up and as soon as X is started i lose keyboard fuctionality and mouse functionality, I need to be able to boot into recovery mode but I cant even access grub, anyone have a workaround?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  yep that fixed it.
[07:54] <dddm> nm, figured it out.
[07:55] <quentusrex> alright, I'm stuck.
[07:55] <quentusrex> I have a server half upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04
[07:55] <quentusrex> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[07:55] <quentusrex> that's the error I get...
[07:55] <tsyj2007> 10.04 has some bugs
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> see the definition of the term 'beta' :)
[07:56] <quentusrex> yes, I know it's beta. that isn't a complaint.
[07:56] <quentusrex> that is a question: What is wrong...
[07:57] <quentusrex> I read the man page, and don't see what is up.
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> that was for tsyj2007
[07:57] <Dr_Willis>  Your problem -- never seen it mentioned befor.
[07:57] <quentusrex> I have one server, and it worked.
[07:58] <quentusrex> and one that didn't....
[08:08] <quentusrex> Dr_Willis, I found the solution
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> ive never even heard of the term Immediate-Configure   befor
[08:08] <quentusrex> you need to go into /var/cache/apt/
[08:08] <quentusrex> and dpkg -i the package it says
[08:08] <quentusrex> it will then error telling you the actual problem
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. so the util-linux package is goofed up eh.
[08:09] <quentusrex> in my case util-linux required libc6 2.11 or higher
[08:09] <quentusrex> but only had libc6 2.10
[08:09] <quentusrex> and for some reason it wasn't installed before trying to install util-linux
[08:09] <quentusrex> so, a manual install of libc6 fixed it.
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> that is weird
[08:10] <quentusrex> yup
[08:10] <quentusrex> but now we both know(as well as anyone else reading)
[08:11]  * Dr_Willis goes  back to watcing people bicker over ssh in #ubuntu
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:11] <quentusrex> lol
[08:12] <blue102> if I keep on installing the updates do I still need to downoad the new version on the 29th of april
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> blue102:  in theory - no.
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> blue102:  in practice - i wait a week or 2 then do a clean install after the release.. that way i get rid of all the cruft ive been beta testing
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> I install all sorts of things  in here to 'confirm' bugs others report
[08:13] <blue102> I see
[08:14] <blue102> otherwise it runs beautifull on my laptop
[08:14] <blue102> it does everything I want to do
[08:15] <blue102> is there a program like msn that will have voice and web cam
[08:15] <blue102> and be compattible with voice and webcam with msn
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> !im
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> thats all i know on the topic. :) i dont do IM chat
[08:17] <blue102> I have fam in nl and would like a total swab from windows to linux
[08:17] <blue102> they use xp and vista msn live
[08:19] <blue102> I have downloaded empathy does not have webcam and voice
[08:21] <avelldiroll> blue102, empathy only support audio/video for xmpp/googletalk for now ... at least the last time i checked
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> googletalk is fun :)
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> skype supportw audio/video now dosent it?
[08:22] <avelldiroll> Dr_Willis, yes, but the real problem is ti being skype XD
[08:22] <avelldiroll> *it
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> wife got sick of skype. she was having too many spammy  messages  from spambots.
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> but now shes on MajicJack.. which is worse in ways :)
[08:24] <avelldiroll> Dr_Willis, googletalk does the trick for me ... and sip at work for audio
[08:25] <blue102> there is no other solution then to keep xp ???
[08:26] <avelldiroll> blue102, i think kopete used to support msn ...
[08:27] <blue102> voice and web came as well ??????
[08:27] <blue102> webcam
[08:27] <avelldiroll> ah there is supposed to be a ppa for telepathy with msn audio / video support
[08:27] <avelldiroll> http://cass.no-ip.com/~cassidy/blog/index.php/post/2009/09/14/MSN-audio/video-chat-in-Telepathy
[08:28] <avelldiroll> https://edge.launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa
[08:28] <ddecator> theres a newer version in a ppa than is in lucid?
[08:28] <LordKow> pidgin supports msn
[08:29] <avelldiroll> but i read somewhere that msn changed their protocol yet again ... surprise
[08:30] <avelldiroll> ddecator, it's an unstable version of telepathy
[08:30] <ddecator> avelldiroll: it's just not very often you see an even-more-bleeding-edge version in a ppa than you see in alpha/beta releases, haha
[08:31] <avelldiroll> XD
[08:31] <LordKow> there are a few automated git ppas out there, ex: xorg-edgers is the name i believe
[08:32] <avelldiroll> there is one for the kernel too
[08:37] <coz_> hey guys ... is  gedit still broken?:
[08:38] <Mulder> i didnt realise it was broken at all
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> gedit is working here
[08:42] <blue102> I have downloaded amsn see with how that goes
[08:42] <blue102> I have to rebbot to get the webcam working cheers for now
[08:45]  * Dr_Willis wonders why a reboot is needed...
[08:46] <mauri> i ahve buyed scanner cannor lite 100 but kubuntu does not recognize it.....may someone help me please?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> mauri:  check the SANE homepage to see if it even has any linux support at all.
[08:48] <avelldiroll> mauri, you mean CanoScan Lide 100?
[08:48] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  mm  not even showing up in the menu   but let me check the machine again
[08:48] <avelldiroll> it is unsupported by sane : http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
[08:49] <mauri> Dr_Willis: already checked
[08:49] <mauri> avelldiroll: yes
[08:50] <LordKow> great gnome-terminal feature: record user commands and create a working script out of it.
[08:50] <LordKow> potential feature that is
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i seem to recall a feature like that years and years ago
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> somthign to do with 'expect' i recall.. 10+ yrs ago :P
[08:51] <mauri> avelldiroll: do you think that i have to waste it or they will support it one day
[08:52] <coz_> isnt that something like  script -make typescript
[08:52] <LordKow> Dr_Willis: yea, but that sort of feature integrated into gnome-terminal
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> ive been using Terminator more and more
[08:53] <avelldiroll> mauri, i don't like to sound pessimistic, but htere is a reason why i never buy canon products
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> Canon is on my NEVER BUY list also
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> The one i got prints good.. but  now its saying i got the red in the green slot.. when its not..  or a cart is empty when its brand new...
[08:54] <mauri> avelldiroll: I hope that the seller will get it
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> so no more canon for me.
[08:57] <avelldiroll> mauri, if he doesn't sell it on ebay or somewhere else ....
[08:57] <mauri> avelldiroll: ok sorry if i have disturbed you
[08:58] <mauri> avelldiroll: thanks
[08:58] <DanaG> yay, hplip.
[09:00] <coz_> about the auto script in terminal ///   isnt there a script command that records everything done in terminal?  not sure it will be automatically turned into an actual script though
[09:00] <avelldiroll> coz_, history
[09:00] <joaopinto> hum
[09:00] <avelldiroll> history | cot or awk > your script
[09:00] <coz_> avelldiroll,  I thought it was something like   $ script  afilename
[09:00] <joaopinto> I got some files truncated during and hard lock
[09:02] <avelldiroll> coz_, with script you need to know before end that you're starting a script (more like a terminal logger imo)
[09:02] <coz_> avelldiroll,  mm ok  I might play with it to see outcome :)
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> script keeps a log  like coz_  said..
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> i recall some way to tweak the output years ago.. but thats old-skool
[09:04] <coz_> mm just ran script  with update && dist-upgrade just to see output... i suppose this could come in handy :)
[09:06] <avelldiroll> What's with people this days using dist-upgrade on ubuntu?
[09:06] <coz_> avelldiroll,  old habit
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> script i recall can accidently save passwords and stuff as well.. so be carefill with it
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> and color code/esc codes all over the place in it als
[09:07] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  ah I will play with it  but if it records passwords  eeew
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> this was back when telnet was king.
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> it logs everything on the screen that it sees . so be carefull
[09:08] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  yeah sounds like wise advise
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> ages ago it was used to log sessions to turn in for homework.. and other situations
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> I seem to recall that 'expect' could also somehow parse the output also
[09:09] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  mm let me see what that does
[09:09] <coz_> expect needs installed first
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> http://expect.nist.gov/
[09:10] <avelldiroll> Dr_Willis, expect is more like a programming trick to _control_ a shell (like automatically entering a password)
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> Expect is a tool for automating interactive applications such as telnet, ftp, passwd, fsck, rlogin, tip, etc. Expect really makes this stuff trivial. Expect is also useful for testing these same applications. And by adding Tk, you can also wrap interactive applications in X11 GUIs.
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> Can Expect automatically generate a script from watching a session?
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> --> The autoexpect script in Expect's example directory does what you want.
[09:13] <coz_> interesting  expect seems far more useful than script
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> I recall using it ages ago to automate dialing into BBS's and so forth
[09:14] <coz_> expect cannot automate gui based tools apparenlty but seems that occurs mainly on windows rather
[09:14] <coz_> than unix/linux
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> look at the age. :)
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> this predates many of the people in this channel :P
[09:14] <coz_> ooo yikes :)
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> I used it on the sun worksatations I think in the 1980's
[09:15] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  well it doesnt predate me I am afraid :)
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> if the text based installer was truely just text based.. you could almost automate it with expect. :)
[09:18] <coz_> would be interesting to have an up-to-date tool that actually takes terminal session and creates a funtional script
[09:29] <quentusrex> Anyone here know how to debug eucalyptus?
[09:29] <quentusrex> I have a configuration issue(I believe) and I don't know where the debug logs are
[09:38] <Masteredu> hello
[09:38] <quentusrex> hello
[09:38] <quentusrex> how goes it Masteredu
[09:38] <Masteredu> well ^^
[09:38] <Masteredu> but i have a prob :)
[09:38] <quentusrex> same
[09:38] <quentusrex> let's see if I can help you with ours
[09:39] <Masteredu> is the java-jre from sun not in the ubuntu ppa?
[09:39] <Masteredu> and has the ubuntu ppa only opensource software?
[09:39] <Raphi974> Masteredu, you have to activate the Partner repo
[09:39] <Masteredu> ok
[09:39] <Masteredu> i will try it
[09:40] <Raphi974> Masteredu, then you will find sun-java6-jre/jdk/etc.
[09:41] <GNU\colossus> what's the reasoning behind changing /etc/event.d to /etc/init in 10.04? I can't find anything in the bugtracker.
[09:41] <quentusrex> Raphi974, any idea how to find out what is the issue with the store? I'm trying to download images
[09:42] <quentusrex> but I get an Error 7: Can not connect to host
[09:42] <Masteredu> and i have a bug with firewire do you have the same?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/559853
[09:42] <Raphi974> quentusrex, sorry, i don't use the store
[09:43] <Raphi974> quentusrex, and my netbook does'nt have firewire
[09:44] <Masteredu> it is a bug, that when you want to use ethernet with firewire, you have to load the driver yourself with modprobe?
[09:44] <kklimonda> hmm, anyone else having metacity crashes?
[09:44] <Masteredu> kklimonda: yesterday i had many
[09:45] <Masteredu> you have to update, that may help you
[09:45] <Masteredu> can someone answer me pls on my question?
[09:46] <Masteredu> sun java6 now works for me
[09:48] <Dr_willis> hmmm
[09:48] <Dr_willis> ive seen it common where if you want to use networking over firewire you have to expliatly load the proper module
[09:48] <Dr_willis> if it autoloaded - you can get more eth## devices then people normally want
[09:49] <kklimonda> heh, every time I click right button
[09:54] <b__> bugs in lucid
[09:58] <Masteredu> is the answer for the problem right ?
[09:59] <Masteredu> for my bug? at  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/559853
[09:59] <b__> Masteredu, how long does it take u to boot on lucid?... takes me more than 35 secs
[10:00] <Masteredu> b_: arround 35 sec jeah
[10:00] <Masteredu> b_: but i have a very old graphics card and parallel ata harddrive
[10:00] <b__> Masteredu, it says its goal is 10 secs?.. will it be 10secs by the lts official release?
[10:00] <Masteredu> can anyone help me. i have a prob with youtube. every time i upload my .ogg , the quality goes very bad . it is all pixelie :(
[10:01] <Masteredu> b_: i dont know but this is for my  machine awesome
[10:01] <Masteredu> b_: windows 7 boots in over 1 min 10 seconds
[10:01] <Masteredu> b_: and network in ubuntu is established in 5 sec. in windows 7 in over 10-20 sec
[10:01] <b__> Masteredu, when i check for hardware it doesnt list any and shows no proprierty somethin somethin...does it mean my drivers arent found or r the drivers loaded by default?
[10:02] <acuster> hey all, does right click on a title bar crash metacity for anyone else? (amd64, beta2)
[10:02] <Masteredu> b_: do you have hardware that news proprietary drivers?
[10:02] <Masteredu> acuster: nope
[10:02] <b__> Masteredu, 1 yr old laptop.. so i guess hardware isnt that new
[10:03] <Masteredu> b_: "needs" i mean, does the hardware need proprietary drivers. i have a 12 year old notebook, that notebook too doesnt needs proprietary drivers, so i dont become a notification
[10:04] <Masteredu> b_: but this notebook uses slackware, becouse it has pentium 2
[10:04] <b__> Masteredu, how do i check what hardware do i have?
[10:04] <b__> Masteredu, i tried hardware lister but it doesnt give me details
[10:04] <Masteredu> b_: all hardware? or usb? or pci? for usb : "lsusb" on commandline , for pci "lspci"
[10:05] <Masteredu> b_: lspci shows you many
[10:06] <Mulder> heh, msn probably changed vv protocol again since empathy (even ppa version) no longer does vv
[10:07] <b__> Masteredu, 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
[10:07] <yofel> !paste | b__
[10:07] <b__> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <Masteredu> b_: pls use pastebin!
[10:07] <b__> 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <b__> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <Masteredu> b_:!p
[10:07] <b__> 01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[10:07] <b__> 02:01.0 Ether
[10:08] <AbortD> anyone know if its possible to change the font in grub
[10:08] <yofel> duh... why don't we have floodbot in here...
[10:08] <b__> 02:01.0 Ether
[10:08] <b__> Masteredu, how to do that? im new to ubuntu
[10:08] <yofel> b__: I justed told ubottu to tell you how...
[10:08] <Masteredu> b_: visit http://pastebin.net , give in the text, and paste the link here
[10:08] <bazhang> !crosspost | b__
[10:10] <Masteredu> anyone knows if the intel graphic chips use proprietary drivers?
[10:10] <yofel> they don't
[10:10] <AbortD> ..
[10:10] <yofel> either the open source  drivers support it or nothing supports it
[10:10] <Masteredu> yofel: so you can use ubuntu withhout installing proprietary drivers for graphic when you use them?
[10:10] <yofel> yes
[10:10] <AbortD> does a ten pound bag of flour make a big biscuit?
[10:11] <Masteredu> b_: i think you dont need proprietary drivers. You a real opensourcler! :D
[10:11] <AbortD> intel and nvidia are the best drivers i ever used on ubuntu
[10:11] <Masteredu> AbortD: lol
[10:11] <AbortD> i hate the amd ones
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> you need to try out SIS :)
[10:12] <b__> Masteredu, so by default all my drivers are loaded rite?
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> you will love ATI then... :P
[10:12] <Masteredu> AbortD: AMD doesnt supports ubuntu the way , that they support windows!!!
[10:12] <AbortD> ati i meant willis
[10:12] <Masteredu> b_: i think yeah, you use a netbook or?
[10:12] <AbortD> Masteredu, they are making linux drivers
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> Yep. AMD/ATI has been a real dissapointment
[10:12] <thevishy> how do I install powersaved anyone ?
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> thevishy:  look in thepackage manager for it?
[10:13] <AbortD> willis is there a future for amd?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> look  in theubuntu forums/wiki pages?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> AbortD:  They got some new things comming out.. only time will tell
[10:13] <Masteredu> can anyone say me, why youtube does NOT support my ogv file?
[10:13] <thevishy> Dr_Willis, package not found
[10:13] <AbortD> im considering selling this laptop or turning it into a server for that fact and acer is BS
[10:13] <Masteredu> i uploaded it 2 times, and alltimes I get ugly pixels
[10:13] <Masteredu> "got"
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> thevishy:  time to hit the forums/wiki pages perhaps?
[10:13] <AbortD> masterdu email youtube
[10:14] <thevishy> E: Couldn't find package powersave
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> Masteredu:  because they convert it to flv ?
[10:14] <Masteredu> But other Ubuntu users, upload their ogg´s and are happy with youtube :(
[10:14] <Masteredu> i uses kino, to make my .ogv , and it looks good in vlc, totem
[10:14] <Masteredu> "used"
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> convert it to flv by hand untill you like the flv then upload it.
[10:15] <AbortD> thevishy, u dont have a power management under system - preferences?
[10:15] <Masteredu> Dr_Willis: with mencoder?
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> Masteredu:  if thats what you like.
[10:15] <zlj> Hi, all. I've installed lucid recently and found that gpg-agent seahorse component is not started by default (but ssh-agent is OK). is it a feature/bug? I'd really appreciate any points on fixing this in a right way
[10:15] <b__> Masteredu, notebook
[10:15] <Masteredu> b_: oh yeah sry, you sayed it allready. i dont think that you need proprietary drivers. all works by you, right?
[10:15] <thevishy> i have that AbortD but need to adjust CPU to consume less
[10:16] <AbortD> ohh
[10:16] <AbortD> what did you overclock it?
[10:16] <yofel> thevishy: powersaved doesn't exist in lucid anymore, what exactly do you need to do?
[10:16] <thevishy> the problem is that the CPU needs to be adjusted ( scaling )
[10:16] <thevishy> like if the processor takes up high speed , need to scale it down
[10:17] <thevishy> basically i need to deal with laptop overheating problem
[10:17] <yofel> thevishy: well, we have cpufreq now, like 'cpufreq-selector'
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> a good dusting, and one of those laptop pad-fans - come in handy
[10:18] <AbortD> im making a cooling lap fan for my laptop
[10:18] <thevishy> how can I use that? i did a lot , i opened it up etc but u know I dont have the courage to touch it anmore coz its so fragile
[10:18] <AbortD> as in blows in cold air not air from room temp
[10:18] <Baal> need help i was in the middle of the upgrade to 10.04 beta 2 and my computer crashed now it goes to login screen but give me error when i try to login
[10:18] <GNU\colossus> what's the reasoning behind changing /etc/event.d to /etc/init in 10.04? I can't find anything in the bugtracker.
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> i just use compressed airs in the  vents.. and got the wife a laptop cooling pad.
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> and told her to stop sitting it on the bed.
[10:19] <Baal> i have tried going to console and restarting upgrade but it errors out with libsexy2 needed
[10:19] <b__> Masteredu, thanks... how do i download youtube mp3 or even flv??.. anything from youtube...utube ripper doesntwork
[10:19] <Masteredu> b_: do you want the flv?
[10:19] <yofel> GNU\colossus: mostly a more proper placement of the init scripts I think, !upstart might help you more
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> firefox has several extensions to get files from Youtube
[10:19] <thevishy> how do I use the cpu freq selector utility
[10:19] <Baal> i cannot remove or install libsexy2 because it is needed by notification-daemon
[10:19] <AbortD> haha well im a geek Dr_Willis  in the fact that i like to build stuff that uses energy to cool
[10:19] <Baal> please help
[10:20] <AbortD> libsexy2?
[10:20] <Baal> yes
[10:20] <Masteredu> b_: go on the youtube videosite. buffer the video. go in direcotry /tmp. and move the video file out of the directory, for example move it on your desktop
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> AbortD:  you need one of those drinking/dipping birds.. they got them that sit on monitors now and move due to the heat.
[10:20] <yofel> libsexy was something xchat used I think
[10:20] <thevishy> this is a 5 year old laptop
[10:20] <b__> Masteredu, i would love just the mp3 or any other audio format ... but flv would also be just fine
[10:20] <GNU\colossus> !upstart
[10:20] <Baal> and another lib file
[10:21] <b__> thevishy, right click on ur gnome panel
[10:21] <AbortD> Dr_Willis, heh i mainly use a laptop
[10:21] <b__> thevishy, then click add to panel
[10:21] <Baal> yofel...?
[10:21] <AbortD> clip on for lcd monitors?
[10:21] <Masteredu> b_: video2mp3.net
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> AbortD:  yea. it has a clip for lcd's
[10:21] <yofel> Baal: sry, busy right now, I'll answer in a minute
[10:21] <AbortD> hmm
[10:22] <Baal> ok i just didn't understand your response
[10:22] <AbortD> whats it plug into usb or something? im lost now
[10:22] <iconmefisto_> Baal's problem is an upgrade was interrupted by a system crash, and apt is now giving errors
[10:22] <Baal> thanks icon
[10:22] <Masteredu> b_: http://en.gibney.org/convert_flv_files_to_mp3/
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> AbortD:  nothing.. its made of glass with alcohol in them. You used to see them 'drinking' from a glass of water.. well if you heat the bottom.. instead of cooling the head.. it also works.. no water needed. :)
[10:23] <AbortD> master isnt a flv file a video file
[10:23] <AbortD> yeah
[10:23] <thevishy> lucid is very nice
[10:23] <AbortD> oooo
[10:23] <Masteredu> b_: when you watch a flash move, linux saves the temporary chache in /tmp, when you buffer the full movie .
[10:23] <Masteredu> flv is a container format from adobe
[10:23] <thevishy> beta 1 was bit problematic , but beta 2 is nice  , what all releases do we have now ?  do I have to reinstall lucid when each release comes ?
[10:24] <Masteredu> thevishy: only update
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> thevishy:  update/upgrade - you got the latest
[10:24] <AbortD> flash video isnt it Masteredu
[10:24] <Masteredu> AbortD: ?
[10:24] <AbortD> flv
[10:24] <Masteredu> the flash video is saved under /tmp
[10:24] <AbortD> fl flash
[10:24] <AbortD> v video
[10:24] <Masteredu> jeah
[10:24] <Masteredu> flv
[10:24] <thevishy> thats very nice
[10:24] <AbortD> yeah but u cant convert a video into a mp3
[10:25] <iconmefisto_> AbortD: you can extract the audio track from video to make an mp3
[10:25] <AbortD> yes
[10:25] <AbortD> you can
[10:25] <AbortD> but you can not convert a flv to a mp3
[10:25] <Masteredu> when you have the flashfile in tmp, move it out, becouse when you enter a new site, the chache will be deleted, and when you have the .flv, you can convert it easely with ffmpeg , what is allready installed, in .mp3 with this command: ffmpeg -i moviet.flv -f mp3 sound.mp3
[10:25] <thevishy> i think lucid beta2 is a lot more attractive than ubuntu karmic koala
[10:25] <Masteredu> AbortD: why not?
[10:25] <AbortD> i said so
[10:25] <thevishy> karmic suddenly looks outdated
[10:26] <Masteredu> AbortD: The Video looses, but the audio will stay
[10:26] <AbortD> thevishy, karmic looks better than lucid if u ask me
[10:26] <Masteredu> with ffmpeg it is easy
[10:26] <yofel> thevishy: cpufreq-selector is part of  gnome-applets, use --help for more info, (or adjust the files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq/)
[10:26] <iconmefisto_> thevishy: I assume you're using gnome? kubuntu doesn't really look that different
[10:26] <AbortD> i hate kubuntu programs
[10:26] <Masteredu> http://en.gibney.org/convert_flv_files_to_mp3/
[10:27] <AbortD> only reason i use gnome
[10:27] <yofel> Baal: did you try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[10:27] <b__> Masteredu, thanks im trying it now be rite back
[10:27] <thevishy> yes I use gnome not kubuntu , I prefer lucid looks ....
[10:27] <Baal> not together but individually
[10:27] <thevishy> yofel, thats nice feature i got it working
[10:27] <Masteredu> b_: you´re welcome
[10:27] <Baal> each errors out
[10:27] <Masteredu> is ffmpeg corrupted in 10.04?
[10:27] <AbortD> no
[10:28] <Masteredu> i became errors
[10:28] <AbortD> works for me
[10:28] <Baal> want me to get the exact error for you?
[10:28] <AbortD> yes
[10:28] <Masteredu> ffmpeg -i input_file.ogv output_file.flv that commands, doesnt works for me
[10:28] <yofel> Baal: even --configure ? and yes, can you pastebin it or something like that?
[10:29] <Masteredu> i will post it with pastebin, wait
[10:29] <Baal> it's on another computer so i will have to type it out and yes i tried with configure
[10:29] <Masteredu> http://pastebin.com/kx7RvMNa
[10:30] <b__> Masteredu, i have vmworkstation with windows 7 ultimate installed on it... i manna make it boot at startup option as vmware workstations allows that unlike vmware players.. but i dont know how to... any ideas?
[10:30] <Baal> unmet dependencies for notification-daemon
[10:30] <Baal> which are two lib files one being libsexy2
[10:31] <Baal> but when i try to remove or install i get more errors
[10:31] <Masteredu> b_: sry :D , i dont know anything about vmworkstation
[10:31] <yofel> Baal: and 'sudo apt-get -f install' ?
[10:31] <b__> what does sudo apt-get -f install do?
[10:31] <Baal> tried that too with iconmefisto_ on #kubuntu channel
[10:32] <yofel> b__: forcibly resolve dependency issues
[10:32] <yofel> or at least it tries to
[10:32] <Masteredu> any ideas how i can solve my problem?
[10:32] <Baal> yes it says it can't remove it or change it because notification-daemon needs it
[10:32] <yofel> Baal: do you have the newer libsexy2 .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[10:33] <Baal> i can look
[10:34] <Baal> not sure if it is newer but there is one in there
[10:35] <b__> Masteredu, how to delete brower cache in firefox?
[10:35] <Masteredu> b_: I dont delete browser chache, when i use /tmp , mhm , i search alltime the .flv myself out
[10:36] <Masteredu> b_: when you dont saw videos before you dont need to
[10:36] <yofel> Baal: can you try to install it with 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>' and see what happens?
[10:36] <aeon17x> Is it just me, or does empathy in lucid not have any IRC support?
[10:36] <aeon17x> I can't find the IRC account option when setting it up
[10:37] <yofel> aeon17x: you need to set up another account first I think, you can then choose to add an irc account later, but IRC support in empathy isn't very good tbh
[10:37] <iconmefisto_> Masteredu: try adding this option to ffmpeg: -sameq
[10:37] <Masteredu> I solved my problem, i had to set the sampling frequency myself
[10:37] <b__> Masteredu, any good alternative to yahoo messenger/. gyachi not getting installed
[10:38] <Masteredu> b_: does emphaty, or so , not support yahoo?
[10:38] <aeon17x> yofel: I see, good to know :) just going with what's built-in atm
[10:40] <Masteredu> b_: ?
[10:40] <b__> Masteredu, empathy or pigdin dont have cam support for yahoo
[10:41] <Masteredu> i think you only can use GYachE
[10:42] <Masteredu> do you tried their repisority?
[10:42] <b__> Masteredu, i added the reps for gyachi.. cant install the tar.gz files
[10:43] <yofel> you don't install .tar.gz files... don't they have a repos for ubuntu
[10:43] <yofel> ?
[10:43] <Masteredu> b_: dont use tar.gz
[10:43] <_jst> whats a good mp3 player for ubuntu like winamp ?
[10:44] <brianherman> rhythmbox?
[10:44] <brianherman> or
[10:44] <adalal> anyone knows why chromium doesn't work with fonts like webdings, even though msttcorefonts are installed?
[10:44] <brianherman> amarok
[10:44] <Masteredu> jst: banshee?
[10:44] <_jst> ok i'll try
[10:44] <brianherman> amarok has visualizations
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Just a quick Q. How fast in theory can a SATA drive transfer  in MB/Sec?   vs what the SATA interface can actually do? i was thinking  the interface was stuck at like 300MB/Sec?   (trying to setle an argument at work)
[10:45] <b__> Masteredu, how do i install gyachi then? searched a lot online... it worked fine on karmic .. not installing on lucid
[10:45] <Masteredu> b_: here is the .deb wait
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> adalal:  got a url to test that on? i will try it here.
[10:45] <brianherman> Dr_Willis:1.5, 3.0, 6.0 Gbit/s
[10:45] <_jst> ubuntu works and looks very good, good job everybody
[10:45] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: SATA 1.0 =1.5 2.0=3.0 3.0=6Gbit/s
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> 6Gbit is.. err..  let me do that math...   6000 bits..   divide by 8....
[10:46] <Masteredu> jst: only becouse the community ;)
[10:46] <adalal> Dr_Willis: in a moment
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> 1000MB/Sec perhaps..  (round #'s ) :) heh
[10:46] <_jst> :)
[10:46] <adalal> Dr_Willis: http://www.sunnyneo.com/avatars/webdings.php
[10:47] <b__> Masteredu, where do i find the .deb for gyachi?... searched for it but only found tar.gz
[10:47] <Masteredu> b_: dont use deb
[10:47] <thevishy> friends do u know if there is a kindly software for linux
[10:47] <Masteredu> b_: use the PPA
[10:47] <thevishy> ubuntu especially
[10:47] <Masteredu> b_ : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:loell/ppa
[10:47] <b__> Masteredu, tar.gz is installed by sh ??
[10:47] <Masteredu> b_: forget about it
[10:48] <Masteredu> b_: tar.gz is a compressed file format
[10:48] <Baal> ok i was not able to install because it need libgtk2.0 to be configured so I tried dpkg -i on those files i was able to install some but the other required shared-mime-info to be configured
[10:48] <b__> Masteredu, abt wat?
[10:48] <Masteredu> b_: tar sticks files together in a file, gz compresses
[10:48] <JmZ_> hey, is there any reason why my 64-bit lucid install uses >1GB RAM when idling (no apps open)? (from checking the buffers +/- row in 'free -m' and reading the value in system monitor)
[10:48] <Masteredu> b_: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:loell/ppa
[10:48] <Masteredu> b_: in your console
[10:48] <Masteredu> b_: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:48] <Baal> i tried to dpkg -i shared-mime-info says libxml2.0.2 is too short
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> adalal:  works in firefox, and opera, not in google chrome
[10:49] <adalal> Dr_Willis: see that?
[10:49] <Masteredu> jmZ: what load average?
[10:49] <JmZ_> Masteredu: at the time, less than 1 iirc, load seemed fine
[10:49] <adalal> Dr_Willis: that's what i was complaining about, any reason why it wouldn't work in chrome/chromium?
[10:50] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: the most common SATA is 2.0 which is 3.0Gigabits per second
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> adalal:  no idea..
[10:50] <JmZ_> Masteredu: i did a clean install of it on a totally formatted partition, this reading of mem usage is after the first login
[10:50] <yofel> Baal: try to reinstall, not only didn't the upgrade finish, but the already updated files weren't properly written to disk before you rebooted
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> so 3Gigabits is like how many MB/sec..  I lost track of my math. :)
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> 3*1000/8 ?
[10:50] <Masteredu> omg. when i convert the movie from .ogv to .flv i get the same error, as when i upload the .ogv to youtube
[10:50] <Masteredu> very pixelie :(
[10:50] <Baal> that will wipe my drive won't it?
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> Masteredu:  yes. ive heard of a great many people with issues converting things to decent looking flv's
[10:51] <adalal> 3*145 MBps
[10:51] <Masteredu> Dr_Willis: i hate .flv
[10:51] <adalal> 435 MBps i think
[10:51] <b__> Masteredu, dont i have to add the words lucid after the ppa??
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> so say.. 430 Mb per second.. or a CD image.. ever 2 sec..
[10:51] <dORSY> Hi! I've got a problem with an audio stream http://stream002.radio.hu/mr2.aac Rhythmbox 0.12.8. 10.04 It is glitchy. Any help on this?
[10:51] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: 3.0 Gigabits per second
[10:52] <adalal> yeah
[10:52] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: 300 megabytes per second
[10:52] <adalal> brianherman: no
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> heh.. Im not sure anyone reallyunderstands this math. :)
[10:52] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: 2,400 Mbit/s
[10:52] <Masteredu> b_: try it without lucid
[10:52] <adalal> brianherman: 3.0 gigabits is 3000 mega bits
[10:52] <adalal> well
[10:52] <adalal> almost
[10:52] <brianherman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Storage
[10:53] <b__> Masteredu, i did it first with lucid
[10:53] <JmZ_> anyone feel like commenting on my memory usage question
[10:53] <Masteredu> b_: ehm, and why?
[10:53] <b__> Masteredu, i added the ppa now what???
[10:53] <Masteredu> b_: sudo apt-get update !
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> seeing some new SSD drives.. that get 285 MB/Sec  - so that is close to  the max that the SATA  2 interface can do?
[10:54] <Masteredu> b_: then sudo apt-get upgrade !
[10:54] <b__> Masteredu, added without lucid now.. what nect
[10:54] <b__> next
[10:54] <Masteredu> b_: read
[10:54] <Masteredu> sudo apt-get update
[10:54] <Baal> ok well i'm going to be then i will deal with it later thanks for your help yofel
[10:54] <b__> Masteredu, did dat already
[10:54] <Masteredu> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:55] <Masteredu> i think now you have the package or not?
[10:55] <b__> where do i find the package?
[10:55] <brianherman> Dr_Willis:I guess
[10:55] <dORSY> Hi! I've got a problem with an audio stream http://stream002.radio.hu/mr2.aac Rhythmbox 0.12.8. 10.04 It is glitchy. It does not caches the stream well for some reason
[10:55] <Masteredu> sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME
[10:55] <Masteredu> try that now
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> Im just trying to figure out if the new generation of SDD"s are close to maxing out the sata interface.. it seem  they are closeing in on Sata2. but sata3 is still  2x more then what they are doing.
[10:56] <b__> Masteredu, PACKAGENAME is dat for me?
[10:56] <Masteredu> b_: here you have to enter the packagename, i forget
[10:56] <Masteredu> b_: the programname
[10:56] <b__> Masteredu, couldnt find gyachi
[10:56] <JmZ_> :/
[10:56] <Masteredu> lol
[10:57] <Masteredu> i try it myself
[10:57] <b__> Masteredu, it says couldnt find gyachi... do i need to add the version number after the word gyachi?
[10:58] <dORSY> Dr_Willis, is that read/write/cache speed?
[10:58] <b__> sudo apt-get install gyachi responds  to could nt find package gyachi
[10:58] <Masteredu> b_: try the tab key
[10:58] <JmZ_> >1GB memory usage, new 64-bit install on idle, can anyone even have a guess as to why it uses that much
[10:58] <b__> Masteredu, tab key where and when?
[10:59] <yofel> JmZ_: tried top to check if there's anything?
[10:59] <joaopinto> JmZ_, how are you measing the memory usage ?
[10:59] <Masteredu> you insert sudo apt-get install gyachi <TAB> and not press enter
[10:59] <JmZ_> yofel: yes it was a new install, nothing running
[10:59] <joaopinto> measuring
[10:59] <Masteredu> then you see all options
[10:59] <JmZ_> yofel: free -m (buffers +/-) and system monitor
[10:59] <JmZ_> oh, that was meant for joapinto
[11:00] <JmZ_> *joaopinto
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Fonts now on 10.04 seem to look better then they do in this windows box i just had to boot up for the wife... :) Yea.
[11:00] <JmZ_> complicated names ftw
[11:00] <b__> Masteredu, tab doesnt work see if u r able to install gyachi on lucid??
[11:00] <Masteredu> b_: the package is not available you right
[11:00] <Masteredu> b_ i tryed it myself
[11:00] <joaopinto> Masteredu, you need to read on how unix systems memory is used, when the memory is free from applications it's used for filesystem caching
[11:00] <JmZ_> you mean me? not masteredu
[11:00] <JmZ_> lol
[11:00] <joaopinto> Masteredu, ideally on a unix system RAM is used at 100% :P
[11:00] <joaopinto> ops, i mean JmZ_ :P
[11:01] <JmZ_> yes, i know that
[11:01] <joaopinto> sorry
[11:01] <JmZ_> hence why i checked the buffers line in free -m
[11:01] <b__> Masteredu, 0what do i do when i see all options what next?
[11:01] <JmZ_> and system monitor separates cache usage
[11:01] <joaopinto> did you check buffers+cached ?
[11:01] <videorechner> I found plymouth themes in the repository, how can I choose a different one after installing it?
[11:01] <JmZ_> joaopinto: whatever the line with only two values is
[11:02] <joaopinto> JmZ_, pastebin your free -m please
[11:02] <JmZ_> joaopinto: heres an example: -/+ buffers/cache:       2833       5152 (this is from one of my servers, not my machine)
[11:02] <JmZ_> just so you know what i read
[11:03] <JmZ_> but i also read the system monitor value and that seems to automatically separate cache usage from memory usage values
[11:03] <JmZ_> both read around 1GB
[11:04] <JmZ_> reason im asking this is because my friend who installed lucid on a 32-bit system only had around 500MB of usage even with various apps open
[11:04] <JmZ_> so it seems random me having 1GB with no apps open
[11:05] <Masteredu> anyone knows, why the ppa doesnt works for us???
[11:06] <iconmefisto_> videorechner: I think it's plymouth-set-default-theme <theme>
[11:06] <videorechner> iconmefisto thanks
[11:06] <yofel> videorechner: I think it should use the last one that was installed
[11:07] <videorechner> there is no ppa of custom made themes, is there?
[11:07] <b__> Masteredu, so by when it should be?.. i even tried installing yahoo messenger through wine...it doesnt work either
[11:08] <brianherman> b__:I think pidgin has support for yahoo messenger
[11:08] <b__> Masteredu, yahoo messnger gets downloaded through wine but then shows install unsuccessful
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> I would be very suprised if Yahoo messenger worked in wine
[11:08] <b__> brianherman, pigdin or kopete or empathy dont have webcam or voice support for yahoo
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> someone was discussing this earlier today. thres  some new/unofficial ppa/repos for some IM clients that may have support
[11:09] <b__> Dr_Willis,  does any older version of yahoo work in wine/
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> b__:  i doubt it.
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> and yahoo dont want yoiu to use the old ones anyway
[11:10] <yofel> Masteredu, b__: loells ppa doesn't have gyachi packages for lucid
[11:11] <b__> Dr_Willis, any way i can get yahoo on lucid? or should i run a virtual pc with windows and run yahoo on it?_
[11:12] <brianherman> b__: You could run virtual box with windows xp
[11:12] <brianherman> b__: Though your way would probably work better.
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> I just use other alternative IM clients. I dont ever plan on using the official Yahoo Client on any os at any time.
[11:12] <b__> brianherman, i have vmware workstation as virtualbox or openbox dont install
[11:13] <b__> brianherman, dont install the os
[11:15] <brianherman> b__: You could try that, having a windows is great for other things
[11:15] <brianherman> b__: vm
[11:16] <DDAZZA> hello
[11:16] <DDAZZA> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu 10.4
[11:16] <brianherman> DDAZZA:hi
[11:16] <DDAZZA> I boot from DVD select isntall
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> try the latst daily build iso. and be sure to check the MD5sum DDAZZA
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> theres no need to use DVD. the CD iso will work fine.
[11:17] <DDAZZA> and I just get a black screen.
[11:17] <brianherman> DDAZZA:It could be a bad burn
[11:17] <DDAZZA> I downloaded it this morning ubuntu-10.04-beta2-desktop-i386
[11:17] <DDAZZA> How can I test it burnt ok?
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> DDAZZA:  thats not the same as a Daily Build.
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> !md5sum  | DDAZZA
[11:19] <brianherman> DDAZZA: Do the md5 sum first then burn again
[11:19] <Masteredu> b_: hi
[11:19] <DDAZZA> ok I'll try that thanks
[11:19] <Masteredu> b__: i have the answer for your problem
[11:20] <Masteredu> b_: https://launchpad.net/~loell/+archive/ppa/+files/gyachi_1.2.1-1~intrepid_i386.deb
[11:20] <Masteredu> b_: you can install it with gdebi
[11:20] <yofel> Masteredu: ... that's a package for intrepid...
[11:21] <Masteredu> yofel: a build for lucid isnt available
[11:21] <Masteredu> yofel: in the ppa
[11:21] <yofel> yes, but if the intrepid package works ok, if not don't complain
[11:21] <Masteredu> yofel: oh lol, in the amd sector is a i386?
[11:21] <b__> Masteredu, whatt answer
[11:21] <Masteredu> b_: wait take this its bether :)
[11:22] <Masteredu> b_: you want gyachi right?
[11:22] <b__> ya
[11:22] <Masteredu> b_: jaunty and karmic is available, what you want?
[11:22] <b__> kar
[11:22] <b__> im on lucid but
[11:23] <Masteredu> b_: k, here https://launchpad.net/~loell/+archive/ppa/+files/gyachi_1.2.2-2~karmic_i386.deb <<< i386 build
[11:23] <Masteredu> but updating will be a bit hard
[11:23] <Masteredu> but i dont thing it gives new updates, the site is death
[11:24] <Masteredu> last news are from 2007
[11:24] <b__> but it works fine rite?
[11:24] <Masteredu> b_: i think it does
[11:25] <b__> ok so what do i type in command line exactly?.. sorry im not so good at shell
[11:25] <Masteredu> b_: the developers stopping development, so the users develop it now
[11:25] <Masteredu> "stopped"
[11:25] <b__> sudo apt-get add repository??
[11:25] <Masteredu> b_: no
[11:26] <Masteredu> b_ doubleklick on the package
[11:26] <b__> then what?
[11:26] <Masteredu> b_: or use sudo dpkg -i PACKAGENAME. you can use gdebi (when you doubleklick on it , it will use gdebi)
[11:26] <b__> open gdeb installer?
[11:26] <Masteredu> only doubleklick on the .deb
[11:26] <Masteredu> click
[11:27] <b__> lets c if it works?
[11:28] <Masteredu> b_: install it
[11:28] <b__> Masteredu, thank you thank you .. thank you
[11:28] <Masteredu> it should work
[11:28] <Masteredu> b_: does it work?
[11:28] <Masteredu> b_: no problem, the community helped me, so i help the community ;)
[11:28] <b__> Masteredu, installing
[11:28] <b__> Masteredu, worked well on karmic
[11:28] <Masteredu> b_: does it work with gdebi?
[11:29] <Masteredu> b_: or do you get an error message or something?
[11:29] <b__> works
[11:29] <Masteredu> b_: cool
[11:29] <DDAZZA> ok the md5sum is correct. So do you think I should download the daily build?
[11:30] <Masteredu> DDAZZA: why not
[11:30] <b__> Masteredu, can i ask which is the best yahoo im for permanent invisible mode?? gyachi, pigdin or empathy?
[11:30] <Masteredu> b_: i dont know, i think all can be invisble or?
[11:31] <Masteredu> gyachi is a fork for yahoo, so try that
[11:31] <b__> Masteredu, even when i log in or log out no one should know im online.. that way which is the best for yahoo?
[11:31] <lapion> hi anyone know how to activate a secondary vga adaptor ?
[11:31] <b__> Masteredu, what does fork mean?
[11:31] <Masteredu> b_: in german gabel :D , a copy
[11:31] <Masteredu> b_: it comes from the computer science, the word
[11:32] <b__> is it a rip of yahoo
[11:32] <Masteredu> b_: when you open up a programm in a shell, it does a copy of its own (syscall fork) and replace the copy with the programm (exec)
[11:32] <Masteredu> b_: why, no
[11:33] <Masteredu> b_ it is developed self, the project want to be like yahoo IM
[11:33] <Masteredu> b_: becouse of that , its a fork
[11:33] <b__> Masteredu, is it better to run yahoo in a virtual machine so that i dont appear online to my friends when i dont want to?
[11:33] <Masteredu> why? lol
[11:34] <Masteredu> do you heared of wine?
[11:34] <Masteredu> maybe this supports yahoo
[11:34] <Masteredu> or you can try gyachi, when it has this invisible option. i never used yahoo, dont like it.
[11:35] <Masteredu> the latest version got the bronze rating, in winehq
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> getting any of these IM clients from Yahoo or AOL or MS working in wine.. will be prolbmatic
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Bronze :) thats a suprise.
[11:35] <Masteredu> version 8 has silver
[11:36] <Masteredu> give it a try b
[11:36] <Masteredu> gyachi
[11:36] <b__> Masteredu,  ffmpeg -i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lga-IY46lXc-f mp3 -ab 160k -ar 44100 -ac 2 $FILENAME.mp3
[11:36] <b__> FFmpeg version SVN-r0.5.1-4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
[11:36] <b__>   configuration: --extra-version=4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libgsm --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --disable-stripping --disable-vhook --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-swscale --enable-x11grab --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
[11:36] <b__>   libavutil     49.15. 0 / 49.15. 0
[11:36] <b__>   libavcodec    52.20. 1 / 52.20. 1
[11:36] <b__>   libavformat   52.31. 0 / 52.31. 0
[11:36] <b__>   libavdevice   52. 1. 0 / 52. 1. 0
[11:36] <b__>   libavfilter    0. 4. 0 /  0. 4. 0
[11:36] <b__>   libswscale     0. 7. 1 /  0. 7. 1
[11:36] <b__>   libpostproc   51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
[11:36] <Masteredu> stop it
[11:36] <b__>   built on Mar  4 2010 12:35:30, gcc: 4.4.3
[11:36] <Masteredu> use pastebin pls b_
[11:36] <b__> Dr_Willis, Masteredu wine is for yahoo 8.. not yahoo 10 which is latest
[11:36] <b__> Masteredu, how to get youtube to mp3?
[11:36] <Masteredu> yahoo 10 got bronze ratting
[11:37] <Masteredu> b_: with ffmpeg
[11:37] <b__> Masteredu,  i pasted the above
[11:37] <b__> Masteredu, it doesnt dl
[11:37] <Masteredu> do not use the url as input for ffmpeg , lol?
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> firefox has extensions to download flash videos
[11:38] <Masteredu> the url is the location for the website
[11:38] <Masteredu> not for the exact video
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> DDAZZA:  daily build is all the updates as of the time it was built.. and its built daily.
[11:38] <Masteredu> ffmpeg only converts, it doesnt find the video, and then converts it
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> DDAZZA:  the beta2 is a few days old and had some problems
[11:38] <b__> Dr_Willis,  how do i get youtube stuff the gui way?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> b__:  wih a firefox extension to download the video.. then you convert it.
[11:38] <Masteredu> b_: search for ffmpeg frontents
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> theres web sites that can even do this for you.
[11:39] <b__> Dr_Willis, can u name the extension
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> b__:  Nope.
[11:39] <Masteredu> b_: and with a firefox extesion , i to had good expieriences , like dr willis described
[11:39] <Masteredu> b_: pls , SEARCH for yourself
[11:39] <b__> Dr_Willis, i tried a few firefox extensions and plugins
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> go check the extensions out - see whats popular/rated
[11:39] <Masteredu> b_: and do not ask alltime
[11:39] <bullgard> How can I put to good use the dialog System > Preferences > Personal File Sharing? What packages do I have to install so that I can enable the function "Enable files over the network"?
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> bullgard:  samba for starters.
[11:39] <Masteredu> b_: i mean, this is our freetime and, why we have to google for your stuff?
[11:40] <vargadanis> hello everyone! I have tried out 10.04 and I was quite pleased with the beta. :) Look nice and I love the IM integration. I have a question tho.. is it possible to move the window buttons in the titlebar to the right opposed to the default left location?
[11:40] <vargadanis> my parents will go nuts this way
[11:40] <b__> Masteredu, Dr_Willis  i already did the experimenting thats why im asking now cuz i had no luck with extensions
[11:40] <Masteredu> vergadanis: jeah
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> vargadanis:  change to a differnt them and they SHOULD change to the right. Or theres a dozen tools to tweak theplacement.
[11:40] <guntbert> !controls | vargadanis
[11:40] <b__> vargadanis, lol yes change theme
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> I perfer the other themes that have larger buttons :) easier for  us old timers to see
[11:41] <vargadanis> I like the 2 new themes: the dark and the light ones are as well so desktop userish :)
[11:41] <Masteredu> b_: what is with this as an example??ß https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/11047
[11:41] <Masteredu> b_: 10 seconds with google
[11:41] <b__> Dr_Willis, Masteredu i searched and installed a few extensions and plugins in firefox none seem to work for youtube
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen online videoc onverter sites also.. paste the youtube url.. they download/convert to whatever you want
[11:42] <vargadanis> Dr_Willis, you are right! forgot about that too... another reason why my parents might complain
[11:42] <Masteredu> b_: do you restarted the browser?
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> vargadanis:  make thefonts bigger also for them.. and set a nicer wallpaper
[11:43] <Masteredu> what is with this b_: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/10137?src=oftenusedwith
[11:43] <b__> Masteredu, yes restarted browser.. maybe some videoes are embedded with copyrite or someshit
[11:44] <Masteredu> dont know, now i dont have time
[11:44] <Masteredu> must work, see you
[11:44] <vargadanis> Dr_Willis, sure I will those things :) however they usually have a magnifier right next to the computer (15cm in diameter)
[11:44] <Masteredu> have a great time
[11:44] <b__> Masteredu, hanks
[11:44] <b__> Masteredu,  i mean thanks
[11:44] <vargadanis> they see more pixels than me with 20/20 vision :)
[11:44] <Masteredu> np, but realy, try to search for yourself
[11:44] <Masteredu> it gives wiki etc., that can help you
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> vargadanis:  show them how to use the winkey+mousewheel to zoom in :) wife loves tht feature
[11:44] <tatters> I have an onboard intel graphic card, when I upgrade to Lucid it installs the nividea manager and the nv replacement driver, is this as it should be?
[11:45] <b__> Masteredu, so much to learn when u just shift from windows 7 to karmic n then upgrade to lucid beta
[11:45] <vargadanis> Dr_Willis, yup, yet another great idea! any other good tips that might make my parent's life easier?
[11:45] <Masteredu> b_: i know it, i use linux now for 2-3 years. 15 years old, and give good support i think xd lol :)
[11:45] <b__> any body know why medibuntu packages are not in repos for lucid
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> medibuntu is its  own repo
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> add the repo.
[11:46] <vargadanis> b__, do not get discouraged :) Ubuntu is a lovely and lovable distribution with great community... you will get the hang of it quite fast :)
[11:48] <b__> vargadanis, Dr_Willis, i upgraded from karmic to lucid beta.. had installed the medibuntu in karmic but now in lucid the repos are not marked and only show for karrmic under software sources.. any guesses?
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> b__:  reenable medituntu repos.
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> all the extra repos get disabled when upgradeing
[11:49] <vargadanis> b__, yup.. and make sure that the medibuntu repo is not karmic, rather lucid
[11:49] <b__> Dr_Willis, how to do that?... the repos in software sources r for karmic how to get lucid
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> !medibuntu
[11:49] <b__> vargadanis, how to get repos for lucid
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> the medubuntu site tells you
[11:50] <vargadanis> b__, as well google for ubuntu guide and look for the section that explain how to add/remove new repos.. that explains the process in general
[11:51] <vargadanis> I think it's ubuntuguide.org but not sure
[11:51] <b__> vargadanis, Dr_Willis when i check it  to install it shows me that medibuntu is already installed... but i know that was on karmic ..how to get it for lucid... btw i alreay have the guide n bible for ubuntu..lol
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> ijust cut/paste thecommands the medibuntu site says to use.
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> or use ubuntu-tweak to enable them
[11:52] <vargadanis> b__, I haven't had these kind of problems so far so I can't help you there much any more
[11:53] <vargadanis> maybe this: make sure that you have the correct entries in the /etc/apt/sources.list file and in the files in /etc/apt/sources.d/ directory... look for karmic keyword and modify it to lucid
[11:53] <vargadanis> then apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade -> apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:53] <b__> vargadanis, Dr_Willis if i already installed medibuntu on karmic .. then did an upgrade via uppdate manager... do i need to reinstall medibuntu???
[11:53] <thevishy> are u all using beta2 ?
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> the update manager disabled all the extra unofficial repos  when i upgraded.. so YES. you need to reenable medibuntu
[11:54] <vargadanis> b__, you only need to reinstall the packages (softwares) that you got from the medibuntu repo
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> check the /etc/apt/sources.d files
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> or whatever dir its in
[11:54] <b__> what is command?
[11:54] <vargadanis> the commands I listed above will do just that
[11:54] <b__> gksudo?
[11:54] <vargadanis> the apt-get commands
[11:55] <vargadanis> if you don't know how to use apt-get, open up a terminal and type in: man apt-get
[11:55] <b__> vargadanis, how to open/etc/apt/sources.d???
[11:55] <b__> gksudo edit?
[11:55] <vargadanis> you can use eg: gedit for that in this way: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.d/filename
[11:55] <b__> how do i open the source files list?
[11:56] <vargadanis> or just type in gksudo gedit and use the file browser to open the file
[11:56] <vargadanis> alt+f2 for quick command execution :)
[11:56] <b__> so wats the first step to do? to reenable all the unofficial repos???
[11:57] <red2kic> b__: If you are not too sure, I would take Dr_Willis's advice on Ubuntu Tweak. *click, click, clicks*
[11:57] <vargadanis> as well if you open up a terminal you can navigate to /etc/apt dir this way: cd /etc/apt
[11:57] <vargadanis> and then you can list the files with: ls
[11:57] <b__> i installed ubuntu tweak
[11:57] <b__> dont know how to use it to re-enable the unofficial repos
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> explore the program. enablethe repos you want.
[11:58] <vargadanis> I gotta go afk now b__ , sorry I could be of more help
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> Its not  that complex a tool
[11:58] <vargadanis> Dr_Willis, the dir name is: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ :) just looked it up quickly..
[11:59] <b__> where is tweak saved? preferences? accessories? administration?
[11:59] <b__> found
[11:59] <vargadanis> b__, i might be able to help you quickly through remote desktop :)
[12:00] <vargadanis> never done it before but there is always a first time :)
[12:00] <b__> how to do it?
[12:00] <red2kic> vargadanis: That is great idea. Tell him how to forward ports too? :)
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> run ubuntu-tweak go down the buttons on the side.. and  look at each tweak/tabs
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> or you could try cut/pasteing the commands givben at the medubintu web site.
[12:01] <vargadanis> red2kic, yeah I could do that if I knew what port was used by default remote desktop :)
[12:01] <b__> vargadanis, how to forward port via remote desktop?
[12:01] <vargadanis> b__, nah...
[12:01] <b__> plz
[12:02] <b__> ill start remote desktop
[12:02] <red2kic> b__: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list" --> Be careful. Don't make a mess out of that file. Good luck.
[12:02] <vargadanis> b__, ok... click on system->preferences->remote desktop, enable it
[12:02] <jackhigh> what will happen if i try to install a deb intended for karmic in lucid ?
[12:02] <bazhang> jackhigh, why would you want to do that
[12:03] <jackhigh> because the application that i want has only released a version for karmic
[12:03] <jackhigh> wiithon i want to install
[12:03] <bazhang> which package jackhigh
[12:03] <b__> enabled now what?
[12:03] <zash> jackhigh: might work
[12:03] <jackhigh> its a application for the wiis filesytem
[12:03] <bazhang> jackhigh, does it have a name
[12:03] <jackhigh> wiithon
[12:04] <vargadanis> b__, look at the private chat
[12:04] <b__> where is private chat?
[12:04] <bazhang> not a good idea jackhigh
[12:04] <bazhang> better to find a PPA or build it yourself, if you must
[12:05] <jackhigh> thanks
[12:07] <bazhang> jackhigh, there is a PPA currently for karmic, might want to wait for lucid release to see if he/she releases a version for lucid
[12:07] <trigrou> hi !
[12:07] <red2kic> What is the best way to remove spaces in filenames in a given directory? I tried few (for x in *.mkv; do ; done). Does not work well. I need to practice more. :(
[12:07] <trigrou> did someone experienced g++ internal error compiler ? on 10.04 ?
[12:07] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/~wii.sceners.linux/+archive/wiithon-1.1 jackhigh
[12:07] <trigrou> with gcc 4.3 and gcc 4.4
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> red2kic:  theres varius renameing gui tools that can do that.. and scripts that can do it also
[12:08] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: Yep. I favor PyRenamer. There are no GUI on this other machine I'm sshed in.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> ~/bin$ pastebinit  blankrename
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/A04p6b8A
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> theres a script  found red.. theres literally dozens  of ways to do it
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> You could use sshfs and use a gui from some other machine also. :)
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> gnome file manager can also access via ssh
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> !info renameutils
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> red2kic:  or install renameutils and use qmv and whatever editor you like.
[12:12] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: Original on left, Changes on right?
[12:13] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: Got it.
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> red2kic:  somthinglike that. I always use...
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> qmv -f do -e geany *
[12:13] <bullgard> How can I put to good use the dialog System > Preferences > Personal File Sharing? What packages do I have to install so that I can enable the function "Enable files over the network"?
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> thats dest. only..
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> qmv + a good editor - can be real handy
[12:14] <red2kic> bullgard: Samba, at least.
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> dident we say samba earlier?
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> first time you try to make a share - its supposed to ask and install samba..
[12:15] <bullgard> red2kic: There are two samba packages installed by default. Still, this dialog issues this message. Please tell me, what other packages are still needed.
[12:16] <bullgard> Dr_Willis: Yes, my dear king, but this was wrong as 2 Samba packages are installed by default yet.
[12:16] <red2kic> bullgard: What packages?
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> one allways pulled in the other - last i recall
[12:17] <red2kic> bullgard: It could be a a simple dialog bug -- The one that is supposed to disappear after the first notification? Something like that. I'm guessing.
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> samba and samba-commin
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> common
[12:18] <red2kic> How about samba-common-bin?
[12:19] <bullgard> red2kic: The 2 DEB program packages samba-common and samba-common-bin.
[12:20] <red2kic> bullgard: You're not using the binaries you pulled in (to install)?
[12:20] <bullgard> red2kic: The 2 DEB program packages samba-common and samba-common-bin are installed in Ubuntu 10.4 Beta2 by default. (And thus with me.)
[12:21] <red2kic> bullgard: How about 'samba' ?
[12:21] <red2kic> That is all I have installed. 3 packages.
[12:22] <bullgard> red2kic: The DEB program package is not installed by default in Ubuntu 10.4 and thus not with me. It is a meta-package and pulls samba-common and samba-common-bin.
[12:23] <geekphreak> swoody: man this update is taking time
[12:24] <ubuntujenkins> anyone using zeitgeist in lucid? I don't know how to get it to launch instead of natilius
[12:25] <red2kic> bullgard: I don't know what to make of it.
[12:26] <bullgard> red2kic: Thank you for commenting.
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> !info Nautilus-Share
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> !info nautilus-share
[12:34] <trigrou> nobody has problem with gcc on lucid ? no internal compiler error ?
[12:43] <dORSY> Does anyone have a working update-notifier? (it does'n show updates and current working apt locks) If you have theese bugs, please click "affect me" on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/356152
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> hmm  - i saw it mentiong updates earlier today
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> i always update by hand however
[12:43] <IdleOne> update-manager and update-manager-core just got updated for me
[12:44] <dORSY> it doesn't show up they say becouse "manual update within a week", but i set up a daily update.
[12:45] <dORSY> hm i will do an update and let's see if it will display working apt
[12:45] <IdleOne> that is for Jaunty?
[12:45] <dORSY> lucid
[12:48] <dORSY> Do you think this is normal? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/356152/comments/50
[12:57] <AKM144204> Hi everyone I need help on my internal microphone for Ubuntu 10.04 Beta
[12:57] <AKM144204> Internal microphone doesn't work - Vostro Notebook 2510 - Intel HDA ALC268
[12:59] <ionte> so, anyone experienced strangeness with the window manager lately?
[12:59] <AKM144204> After append the following line to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:
[12:59] <AKM144204> to options snd-hda-intel model=auto.
[12:59] <AKM144204> then reboot.
[12:59] <ionte> i understand compiz is still used as the default? but it does not start. metacity works ok though, but without composition
[13:00] <AKM144204> I am getting No sound
[13:00] <hceylan> Hello I'm obsessively try to get xorg-extenders to get to work
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> tyheres been compiz breakage issues over the last week or so
[13:00] <hceylan> But X failing
[13:00] <hceylan> Can some1 help me diagnose the problem?
[13:01] <arand> ionte: compiz might've been removed form yor install in a recent package flux, with dependency issues, is it still installed?
[13:01] <AKM144204> anyidea or work around how to f?ix it
[13:01] <ionte> arand: wow. the "compiz" command is still available, but the package is not installed!
[13:02] <AKM144204> My ALSA script information is located at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c6064daf22c051e553557f68d1cb79e8a4cb8416
[13:02] <hceylan> if I install linux-backports-nouveau X fails with a garbled screen output
[13:02] <ionte> arand: so i installed compiz again, and it seems ok now!
[13:02] <hceylan> If I remove it I cannot get the gallium3d to work?
[13:02] <hceylan> I would appreciate any help
[13:02] <AKM144204> Also I would appreciate any help on my issue
[13:05] <hceylan> AKM144204: I lost my sound too, it used to work with the unupdated install from the CD
[13:06] <AKM144204> I have a problem with internal microphone
[13:06] <AKM144204> which does n't work
[13:06] <b_> how to open .bundle files
[13:07] <AKM144204> hceylan; Do u know any idea how to fix it.
[13:09] <hceylan> AKM144204: Unfortunately not
[13:09] <hceylan> AKM144204: I can see my card is recognized fine as I can see bass speaker mute which is specific to my card
[13:10] <hceylan> AKM144204: for probably as always puseaudio is screwing things out
[13:12] <hceylan> AKM144204: what card u have by the way?
[13:12] <hceylan> AKM144204: if it what laptop you have?
[13:12] <jarnos> Lucid asks me to write down or print the disk encryption password, but the "run this action now" function does not work. Where is the encrypted password?
[13:13] <hceylan> Dr_Willis: was your answer for me which is about compiz?
[13:13] <AKM144204> hceylan: Codec: Realtek ALC268
[13:13] <AKM144204> Dell Vostro 2500 Laptop
[13:14] <guntbert> jarnos: see http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7568/1.html  -- it tells you everything about encrypted home directories
[13:14] <bullgard> yelp: "gnome-user-share is a session service that exports the contents of the Public folder in your home directory, so that they can easily accessed from other computers on the same local network. On the other computers, the shared folder will appear with a name like »'users's shared files« in the Nautilus Network window. gnome-user-share uses a WebDAV server to share the Public folder, and...
[13:14] <bullgard> ...advertises the share on the local network using mDNS." On computer 2 I have copied a file in ~/Public. On computer 3  Nautilus shows under 'Network' only a »Windows Network« of unknown type and no und no notification. Yesterday Avahi worked all right though, Why does this file transfer not work?
[13:15] <AKM144204> Here is my My ALSA information is located at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c6064daf22c051e553557f68d1cb79e8a4cb8416
[13:22] <jarnos> guntbert: thanks, I guess I don't have to know the location; just use the command suggested without parameters.
[13:23] <guntbert> jarnos: yes - in any case make *sure* you record that passphrase - without it you have no access to your data if something happens to your account/password/...
[13:36] <Michalxo> hello all!
[13:37] <Michalxo> does anyone having a problem with metacity restarting, when rightclicking on titlebar?
[13:37] <AKM144204> no
[13:37] <joaopinto> no, but I have seen people reporting something similar
[13:37] <Michalxo> hm, me neither too now... probably it got fixed during night :-)
[13:37] <Michalxo> nice
[13:38] <Michalxo> pretty ugly bug it was... I have it recorded..hehe
[13:54] <joaopinto> grrr, yet another system freeze
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> Wow quiet, did lucid hit the nail on the head first time?
[14:11] <hazelnut_> No
[14:11] <hazelnut_> theme needs adjusting
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> That can be done in any release
[14:12] <hazelnut_> menu items: no contrast for "greyed out" items
[14:12] <hazelnut_> how do I change menu item color? Couldn't find it anywhere
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> Hazelnut_: works fine here, mind you I don't use gnome
[14:13] <hazelnut_> I don't use kde, feels too bloated
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> Lxde here dude, gnome is too bloated
[14:13] <hazelnut_> but otherwise, I like lucid.  Boots really fast.  No issues yet.  But I'm only running it in a VM.
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Haven't had a single issue since gutsy here :)
[14:15] <hazelnut_> Oh, I have had many. But all resolved.
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Buy super compatible hardware and you get less heartache
[14:16] <kuttans> hello everybody
[14:17] <joaopinto> uh, there is such a thing as super compatible hw :) ?
[14:17] <GNU\colossus> what's the reasoning behind changing /etc/event.d to /etc/init in 10.04? I can't find anything in the bugtracker.
[14:17] <joaopinto> GNU\colossus, you mean upstart ?
[14:17] <kuttans> hello friends, can anyone help me understand what is the problem happening in my system while trying to upgrade from karmic to lucid
[14:17] <GNU\colossus> joaopinto: yes.
[14:17] <kuttans> i used safe-upgrade
[14:18] <kuttans> i removed open office org
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> Joaopint: sure look on the hcl for stuff getting 5 * rating :)
[14:18] <joaopinto> GNU\colossus, probably some on #ubuntu-devel would be able to answer, but over the week, during work time :P
[14:18] <kuttans> still the upgrade is telling me that there some broken packages held.An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[14:18] <kuttans> E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[14:18] <GNU\colossus> joaopinto: thanks, I'll be hanging out there
[14:18] <kuttans> now where from i can get the details of unresolvable problems
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: can you give the output of: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get -f install ,in a pastebin. Thanks
[14:19] <kuttans> yeah just one second
[14:22] <cuznt> like a dumbsycle I upgraded to lucid and now my kubuntu will not get past plymouth main process 418 killed by segv signal
[14:22] <kuttans> due to skype its taking a lot of time ActionParsnip
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: ok
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> Cuznt: could use bootoptions to do a text boot which may work. Personally I remove plymouth
[14:24] <cuznt> i tired to uninstall but could not.. in recovery mode
[14:25] <cuznt> bootoptions is e @ the boot promts correct? i would not know how to text a boot
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> Cuznt: do you mean root recovery console?
[14:25] <kuttans> output of apt-get upgrade http://pastebin.com/HyZ7thWz its not finished
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> Cuznt: hold shift at boot brings up the grub menu which you can add bootoptions with etc
[14:26] <cuznt> my grub comes up I have winxp, win7 and kubuntu
[14:27] <cuznt> i was in root recovery when i tried to uninstalled the plymouth
[14:27] <cuznt> i had huge arrors before i got to it though
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: this is lucid support. Karmic is supported in #ubuntu
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: and you have a lot off ppas added, damn
[14:29] <kuttans> yeah im removing all those now
[14:29] <kuttans> but lucid upgradation is telling me that its disabling all other ppas
[14:29] <cuznt> udevd[2801]: SYSFS{} will be removed in a futre udev version please us ATTR{} to match the event device or ATTRS{} to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/45-hpdjconsole.rules:15
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: yep, it will
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> Cuznt: is there a bug logged for it?
[14:30] <cuznt> i have no idea.
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> Cuznt: well you now have an error you can search for. I'm sure you aren't the first
[14:34] <kuttans> ActionParsnip http://pastebin.com/GYyE1Beu this is the new one after removing almost all the ppas
[14:34] <kuttans> let me see now if im lucky r not
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: ok looks like you have a square system and all packages are fine. Try using the command line (server method) upgrade. See what errors you get
[14:36] <bullgard> Why does '~$ wmctrl -a Selector' not raise the window and give focus to the Window Selector 2.30.0 Applet?
[14:36] <cuznt> it does not seem apparent where to search for my error
[14:36] <kuttans> does it really matters of all my installed softwares for upgradation ActionParsnip
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: shouldn't do but they may be offered to be removed after the upgrade
[14:38] <jordanl> i did a fresh install of lucid beta 2 and i get dropped to a BusyBox shell when trying to boot for the first time with the following message: "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<some uuid> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
[14:38] <kuttans> tats ok, but isnt it wrong that an old software is not allowed to reside just for upgradation
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> jordanl: did you md5 test the iso you downloaded? Did you check the disk for defects?
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: the current stuff is made for karmic, not lucid so it will need reinstalling (if it exists) with lucid versions
[14:40] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: i did md5 and sha1 test the iso. but i could not check it for defects because it was "burned" to a usb disk
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> jordanl:  there was someone else with a similer issue  a day or so ago.  perhaps check the bug reports for others with same issue and any potential fix's
[14:40] <jordanl> Dr_Willis: that may have been me around here
[14:40] <jordanl> i've had it for a few days
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> it might have been.
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> Best answer i can give is try a daily build and see if it still does it.
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> Jordanl: gotcha, ok then the transfer will have been checked at transfer. Have you tried some boot options?
[14:40] <jordanl> i've been reading other cases from people experiencing it in 9.10 etc.
[14:41] <jordanl> their fixes don't seem to work
[14:41] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. after I installed vlc (through kpackagekit) in 10.04 - all clicks on things like Quickaccess or the folders in FolderView now attempt to open in vlc (rather than dolphin). anybody else face this problem ?
[14:41] <jordanl> and most of them are using grub1
[14:41] <Dr_Willis>  unless theuuid has some how changed for the disk.
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  ive not seen that. and i always use vlc.
[14:41] <jordanl> Dr_Willis: i booted into rescue mode and checked "blkid"... it matches the one in fstab and the one that grub is looking for
[14:42] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, did u install vlc through kpackagekit or commandline ?
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  check konqueror, and the default  file assosiacation.   Sounds like vlc may be set for the wrong kind of things
[14:42] <jordanl> if it makes any difference, my root partition is raid0
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  how it got installed shouldent matter.
[14:42] <jordanl> the one on which it is failing
[14:42] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: no, i'm not sure which boot options to try
[14:42] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, umm .. check konqueror ? what exactly do I  check for ?
[14:43] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: i did try using "rootdelay=130" as recommended on one of the similar bug reports, but it didn't work
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  check the settings and default file assoications.
[14:43] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: but i'm not sure if those bug reports are the same... i haven't seen a anything reported like this for lucid
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> Jordanl: try disabling the optical drives controller in bios for the duration of the install
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> Konqueror -> settings -> configure konqueror -> file assoications
[14:44] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: how can i do that?
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> Konqueror -> settings -> configure konqueror -> file assoications ---> INODE --> Directory
[14:44] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: i will also download the latest daily build
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  i wuld expect that vlc is set for that.. when it shouldent be
[14:45] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, ur righT
[14:45] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, vlc is of higher preference
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  :) ive seen similer issues ages ago
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  i would just delete vlc.. unless you ever want it to play all files in a dir.
[14:46] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, I'm pretty sure it happened after installation of vlc
[14:46] <Gesi> hi
[14:46] <Gesi>  i just got ubuntu 10.04 and i am now trying to install it but  installation stops at the 3rd step in which i have to chose my keyboard type
[14:46] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, can it be considered a bug ?
[14:46] <Gesi> any help please
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  its not even in the list here.. and i do have vlc installed..
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Gesi: did you md5 test the iso? Did you check the disk for defects?
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> BUT  this is a upgrade.. vlc got installed first.. then kde.. so that maybe why i dont have the issue
[14:46] <bullgard> Why does '~$ wmctrl -a Selector' not raise the window and give focus to the Window Selector 2.30.0 Applet?
[14:46] <Gesi> i downloaded using torrents
[14:47] <Gesi> but anyway how can i do that ???
[14:47] <kuttans> no luck ActionParsnip
[14:47] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, mine was a clean install of Kubuntu and then vlc...
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> Gesi:  you may want to try the daily build iso image.. or the alternative installer image.
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  I did that on my netbook.. and dident have the issue. So it may just be an odd quirk
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | gesi
[14:48] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, hmm... strange
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: what message are you given?
[14:48] <jordanl> ActionParsnip: how can i disable the optical drive during install? is there a specific boot parameter that i should lsend?
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  ive seen weirder things with how kde/gnome handle default file assoiications.
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  for a while GNOME folders were opening the 'search for file'  tool. :)
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> Jordanl: enter bios and disable it there
[14:51] <kuttans> the same old message
[14:52] <Gesi> sorry for being so thick but i have another question, is it possible that unetbootin caused this problem because i am using an usb to install lynx
[14:52] <kuttans> is there any debug command i can use to know which package is making this trouble? ActionParsnip
[14:54] <Gesi> anyway bye
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: if you upgrade in terminal it should say why
[14:57] <kuttans> ActionParsnip : do u mean this command sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:57] <kuttans> or is there anything else too?
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> Kuttans: as far as I know yes. I always clean install
[14:58] <kuttans> but that too was saying the same kinda error not any detail of what really is the problem
[14:58] <kuttans> and there is no log being generated, can i add any extra parameters to make it happen?
[15:01] <bullgard> Why does '~$ wmctrl -a Selector' not raise the window and give focus to the Window Selector 2.30.0 Applet?
[15:01] <kuttans> it stops saying that calculating changes, and after that spits the same message
[15:01] <kuttans> look like i have a lot of programs which dont have support in lucid
[15:02] <lightstep> i'm trying out Lucid, and the "gnome" package is not installed. when trying to install it, it turns out to depend on "epiphany-extensions" and "swfdec-mozilla", which are conflicting packages. what should i do?
[15:06] <lightstep> ok, "gnome-desktop-environment" doesn't have conflicts, trying to install it instead
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> Lightstep: the desktop install will install all that stuff
[15:12] <mustafa_> Compiz used to work fine when I installed the beta version, but since I've installed the updates of the beta 2 and it has stopped working and whenever i try to enable it the apperance application freeze. Any ideas?
[15:12] <holstein> mustafa_: have you updated today?
[15:13] <holstein> the other day, compiz wanted to be removed by updates
[15:13] <holstein> seems like that has been resolved AFAIK
[15:13] <mustafa_> holstein: Ya, I've just installed the update. Also I'm rechecking if there is an update I missed.
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> Update the Updates!
[15:13] <holstein> hehe
[15:14] <lightstep> ActionParsnip, i installed 9.10 from the cd and upgraded to 10.4
[15:14] <mustafa_> Dr_Willis: No more updates related to compiz, only a bash update.
[15:14] <holstein> mustafa_: did compiz get removed during an update the other day?
[15:15] <holstein> you might need to reinstall it
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> Lightstep: gotcha: you could download the debs from the repos and force install them (swfdec and the other thing) to then install the gnome package
[15:16] <holstein> i believe ubuntu-dekstop is the meta-package you want
[15:16] <holstein> if you dont have it
[15:16] <mustafa_> holstein: Ah, it got removed. Thanks :)
[15:16] <mustafa_> holstein: Do java games work slow on linux, or it's just because of the beta version it's unstable?
[15:17] <lightstep> i'll wait to see if some beta will accidentally fix it, and manage dependencies manually only after the final version
[15:17] <holstein> hmmm, not sure mustafa_
[15:17] <holstein> your graphics card and driver could have something to do with that too i bet
[15:18] <mustafa_> holstein: Ah. The compiz is now working after I reninstalled it but still the apperance app. freeze when I enable it, however it works.
[15:19] <gbear14275> Is there somewhere I can go to check my nouveau logs?
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: /var/log maybe?
[15:37] <trigrou> do you know where i could find help about my gcc internal error ?
[15:39] <gnomefreak> anyone having flash crashing firefox?
[15:39] <gnomefreak> trigrou: best thing to do is file a bug on it
[15:40] <trigrou> gnomefreak: ok thank you
[15:40] <gnomefreak> np
[15:43] <Sabre-Edge> I am having problems with the second beta of ubuntu can anyone help me ?
[15:44] <Sabre-Edge> regarding ati drivers
[15:49] <lightstep> Sabre-Edge, what is the problem?
[15:49] <Sabre-Edge> hi
[15:50] <lightstep> (i used to have ati, but don't have it any more)
[15:50] <Sabre-Edge> I have some problems with the 2 beta of ubuntu 10.04 regarding the ati driver. When I start the computer i receive a prompt saying that I have to run the system in low graphics
[15:50] <Sabre-Edge> and I can't use the desktop effects
[15:51] <Sabre-Edge> just to let you know i had no problem when i was using ubuntu 9.10
[15:51] <sputnikrock> In the moment I am unable to open any GTK program under Kubuntu.
[15:51] <sputnikrock> I already filed a bug for launchpad
[15:51] <lightstep> Sabre-Edge, did you have restriced drivers?
[15:52] <Sabre-Edge> I activated the proprity drivers of ati
[15:52] <Sabre-Edge> and then i had to restart the system
[15:52] <Sabre-Edge> and that is when i was getting this problem
[15:53] <Sabre-Edge> even the ubuntu logo at the begining appeared to be largeer than normal with very low resolution
[15:54] <Troldrik> Halp... my lucid box doesn't boot anymore after an apt-get upgrade. Not sure exactly it stalls... I'd say somewhere in the initrd. Never gets to starting the daemons.
[15:54] <mauri> i've just buyed scanner cannon lite 100 but it seems not supported by sane. Sameone can help me to get it work?
[15:54] <lightstep> Sabre-Edge, i never had that. not sure what to do about this
[15:55] <Sabre-Edge> i don't know the reason because with the previous version i had no such issues
[15:55] <Sabre-Edge> i'll try re-installing it
[15:55] <Troldrik> suspect it's this plymouth crap... recovery mode doesn't work either.
[15:56] <arand> Troldrik: try nomodeset as a kernel boot option, or chroot into the install and try to fix it (remove plymouth?...)
[15:57] <Troldrik> I'm chrooted in to it now... tried a purge, but it wanted to uninstall virtually the whole system.
[15:58] <mauri> ho comprato uno scanner canon lide100 ma non è supporrtato da xane...si puo fare qualceh cosa?
[16:11] <Oxymoron> Hey guys, how do I solve this irratinng problem: update-python-modules: error: hplip-data.private is not a recognized python-support module. ?
[16:12] <ZykoticK9> Am I correct in assuming that package versions are frozen at this point?  Someone is asking if libimobiledevice 1.0.0 is going to be included in Lucid (apt-cache policy show 0.9.7-1ubuntu1).  Is the correct answer "no it won't"?
[16:13] <nigelb> ZykoticK9, if it gets a feature freeze it might
[16:16] <ZykoticK9> nigelb, thanks for replying.  Just to clarify, do you mean a "feature freeze exception"?
[16:16] <aboleth> hey i'm running beta 2 on my laptop. I use a second monitor which worked well until I upgraded. It normally will work a bit past the login screen but then it will just turn off on the second monitor. Nothing in the monitor settings seems to fix it. What should I do?
[16:17] <nigelb> !ffe | ZykoticK9
[16:19] <Oxymoron> hplip status for Lucid please anyone?
[16:22] <eagles0513875> hey Oxymoron
[16:23] <Oxymoron> eagles0513875: Hey
[16:25] <arand> Oxymoron: Status as in? My hp printer seems to work as it should, did in karmic though as well...
 anyone having flash crashing firefox? >> yes and its annoying as all hell
[16:27] <Oxymoron> arand: Status as in this: http://pastebin.com/KWUFvMWs
[16:27] <gnomefreak> skydrome: there is something you might want to try. let me get link
[16:27] <Oxymoron> arand: My printer works though
[16:28] <gnomefreak> damn this is slow
[16:29] <arand> Oxymoron: I've got that one version, never saw the upgrade error though... 32bit here, if that matter at all.
[16:29] <aboleth> does anyone know about the monitors?
[16:30] <skydrome> gnomefreak, it happens with both ff 3.6.3 3.6.4 and 3.7
[16:30] <gnomefreak> ok skydrome i will be posting to ff mailing list later so i can find out more info on it but here is the link http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/lorentz/
[16:30] <Oxymoron> arand: I dont know, I got that now and it annoys me as hell because apt-get never finish ...
[16:31] <Oxymoron> arand: I am using Lucid Beta 2 32 bit
[16:32] <gnomefreak> skydrome: i have a few more things to do around the house but i will be back later. if you test it please email me at gnomefreak AT ubuntu DOT com and let me know what you think and any issues you find with it. I will be testing it maybe tomorrow i wont have time today to do it
[16:32] <CT1> Hi all.  2 questions.  1.  Is there any advantage to burning and installing beta2 or will using update manager result in the same outcome, but without having to reinstall various packages again (eg gimp, vlc)? 2. How can I record "what you hear" with audacious youtube videos, spotify in wine for example?
[16:33] <gnomefreak> CT1: 1 == upgrade should be fine
[16:33] <gnomefreak> 2 == no clue
[16:33] <arand> Oxymoron: Maybe a reinstall/configure of python-support...
[16:33]  * gnomefreak gone again
[16:33] <CT1> To clarify question 1, I have a "frsh" install of beta1
[16:33] <skydrome> gnomefreak, still crashes
[16:33] <holstein> contact the poster of the youtube vids, and ask/pay for the audio
[16:34] <gnomefreak> skydrome: 64 or 32?
[16:34] <Troldrik> arand: nomodeset doesn't help still stuck.
[16:34] <skydrome> x64
[16:34] <gnomefreak> skydrome: thanks
[16:34]  * gnomefreak gone for real this time :)
[16:34] <CT1> gnomefreak: Thankyou.  A little like XP then installing service packs and getting a disk with the service pack in it right?
[16:35] <Troldrik> init: ureadahead-other main process (1377) terminated with status 4
[16:36] <Troldrik> is the last line on vt
[16:36] <Oxymoron> arand: ""
[16:36] <Oxymoron> WARNING: hplip-data.private does not exist.
[16:36] <Oxymoron>          Some bytecompiled files may be left behind.
[16:36] <penguin42> wth would Picasa open /dev/snd/controlC0 and stop Pulse?
[16:37] <gnomefreak> !upgrade CT1
[16:37] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | CT1
[16:37] <gnomefreak> there you go
[16:37]  * gnomefreak gone
[16:37] <Oxymoron> debconf: (Can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/Python.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 24) line 2.)
[16:37] <billybigrigger> anyone updated today and not able to restart?
[16:38] <Oxymoron> billybigrigger: Yes but only temporarly
[16:38] <BluesKaj-Laptop> CTI , it's not like service paks on windows , this is an RC beta OS under development , it's not really similar
[16:38] <billybigrigger> Oxymoron, what was your problem?
[16:38] <CT1> gnomefreak: Thanks again.  I have installed beta1, I just wanted to know if Id be missing anything from not burning beta2 to disk, instead just using "update manager"
[16:38] <billybigrigger> i'm afraid to reboot haha
[16:39] <Oxymoron> billybigrigger: plymouth kinda freezed
[16:39] <aboleth> does anyone have any idea why the monitor just stops working a bit after i log in?
[16:39] <billybigrigger> Oxymoron, nvidia or ati?
[16:39] <Oxymoron> billybigrigger: nvidia
[16:39] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[16:40] <billybigrigger> what was your workaround? just so i have a heads up if i run into that problem?
[16:40] <aboleth> oh btw i have an ati radeon 200m
[16:40] <BluesKaj-Laptop> CT1, you'd be better off just updating in the terminal everyday from the repositories, and make sure you enable all the available sources in the package manager
[16:41] <arand> Oxymoron: hplip-data: /usr/share/python-support/hplip-data.private :: It's supposed to be included in hplip-data ...
[16:42] <Oxymoron> arand: lol, well it cant be isntalled because python miss that module xD
[16:42] <CT1> BluesKaj-Laptop: Just to be certain I understand, updating (a fully working) beta1 will yield the same results as a format and fresh install of beta2, but without the hassle of reinstalling flash, dvd playback and gimp?
[16:44] <BluesKaj-Laptop> CT1, why a fresh install , just do the updates from your existing install
[16:44] <lightstep> is there a list of packages that are dropped in 10.4? it seems that "gnome-volume-manager" does not exist any more, and i can't find anything about it in google: http://packages.ubunut.com/search?keywords=gnome-volume-manager
[16:44] <CT1> BluesKaj-Laptop:  I thought so, just wanted confirmation.  Many thanks!
[16:45] <BluesKaj-Laptop> CT1, right , good luck :)
[16:54] <Oxymoron> arand: Cycle dependecies again, seriously who design these structures. hplip is dependent on hplip-data and hplip-data is dependent of hplip-data I think to install those oython module support
[16:59] <iconmefisto> !info gnome-volume-manager
[17:05] <lightstep> nm, it's probably removed (gnome does not support it any more). the responsibilities of the volume manager are spread between many packages, and i'm finding them one by one
[17:07] <arand> Oxymoron: I guess you could just download hplip-data, extract that particular file and put it where it belongs...
[17:09] <Oxymoron> arand: I dont know which that file that is? :S
[17:10] <arand> Oxymoron: /usr/share/python-support/hplip-data.private
[17:14] <Oxymoron> arand: Alright, thanks :)
[17:21] <M0DCM_Dave> Any news on the GMA500 driver working in 10.04?
[17:24] <M0DCM_Dave> Would be great to have the GMA500 working fully, instead of just having the correct resolution
[17:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> M0DCM_Dave, GMA500?
[17:27] <M0DCM_Dave> intel gma500 graphics driver
[17:28] <penguin42> BluesKaj-Laptop: As I remember there was a driver in Jaunty and it dropped out of Karmic for some odd reason about no one having updated the driver to the new X or the like; it's open source
[17:28] <b_> wine help required
[17:30] <xfact> Hey
[17:30] <b_> xfact u know how to run starcraft in wine? or is it a lucid bug?.. worked fine in karmic
[17:31] <evilshadeslayer> hmm.. in Kubuntu i removed the nvidia restricted driver and now i get a blank screen on boot... nothing.. the whole LCD panel is turned off?
[17:31] <evilshadeslayer> s/?/!
[17:31] <evilshadeslayer> any ideas?
[17:31] <xfact> b_, Be sure you have latest 1.1.42 Wine and then try with the same way you install in Karmic
[17:31] <evilshadeslayer> im in a older kernel right now
[17:31] <maco> evilshadeslayer: do you have nouveau?
[17:31] <Oxymoron> arand: Ah now it works again, I forced to update trhough dpkg :)
[17:31] <xfact> b_, If it's a problem of graphics then it maybe a Lucid bug
[17:32] <evilshadeslayer> maco: yep.. thats the default driver right?
[17:32] <b_> xfact, i had upgraded from karmic... then nothingworks in wine in lucid.. even tried reinstall wine
[17:32] <maco> evilshadeslayer: yeah but idk if you might have removed it or something
[17:32] <bjsnider> evilshadeslayer, , did you remove the xorg.conf file too?
[17:32] <xfact> b_, Which version you have?
[17:32] <evilshadeslayer> maco: umm...i did : sudo apt-get remove nvidia-*
[17:32] <evilshadeslayer> bjsnider: yeah did that asap :)
[17:32] <b_> xfact, 1.1.42
[17:33] <xfact> After running some Lucid updates my visual effects and window borders are doing problem (disappeared) what to do?
[17:33] <maco> evilshadeslayer: mmk i dunno
[17:33] <xfact> b_, Then it's I think your PC based Lucid bug
[17:33] <evilshadeslayer> on a side note im testing out the driver from the xorg edgers PPA,but it worked a week before and i havent upgraded since
[17:33] <xfact> Cause my WINE 1.1.42 in my Lucid working nicely :)
[17:33] <evilshadeslayer> maco: ok
[17:33] <b_> xfact, Failed to change to directory '/home/b/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Program Files/Starcraft' (No such file or directory)
[17:35] <xfact> b_, As my common sense says you batter check out in your WINE C: drive Starcraft files are alright or not, specially the launcher file(s)
[17:35] <xfact> Any one can help with my window border disappearance issue?
[17:35] <M0DCM_Dave> I've not installed 10.04 for the reason of no GMA500 support yet
[17:35] <b_> xfact, im tryin to uninstall.. reinstall .. neither work
[17:36] <xfact> b_, IS your Starcraft files are ok?
[17:36] <b_> were great in karmic
[17:36] <b_> how do i check it?
[17:36] <xfact> Hello, I am asking for help
[17:37] <xfact> b_, Go to Wine menu and then click on "Browse C: drive" and then as usual go to Starcraft installed folder located probably under Program files and check out
[17:39] <b_> xfact, the files r gone.. i guess i uninstalled it.. but the icons r still there in programs... cant reinstall starcraft
[17:39] <xfact> Anyone can help me with How to get my visual effects back?
[17:40] <xfact> b_, Wow! Then you found your problem, just install Starcraft again and you will probably have access to it again :)
[17:40] <crazybyte> hello! what happened with the sun-java6-doc package on lucid lynx? I'm trying to upgrade it and the only option available is to remove it. I did some googling but I couldn't find any explanation why is the package missing. Could somebody enlighten me about this? Thank you!
[17:41] <bjsnider> there are no sun-java6 packages at all
[17:41]  * xfact thinks there more asker then helpers  
[17:42] <b_> xfact, cant install either... nor starcraft nor wine..
[17:43] <b_> xfact, how to completely uninstall wine.. and starcraft.. regular way doesnt work
[17:43] <xfact> b_, Then how did you install it in Karmic, try the same way here
[17:43] <BluesKaj-Laptop> M0DCM_Dave, I'm using an intel driver but it doesn't specify it as gma500, lspci | grep VGA outputs: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[17:44] <xfact> b_, Well, I don't see any reason of completely uninstalling Wine, but as you want go to Synaptic and mark Wine package to "Remove completely"
[17:46] <xfact> Well, I have just updated my system and now I am having 195.36.15 Nvidia driver, but in hardware driver it saying I am not using the "Recommended" rather I am using another version of it, would that causing problem with my visual effects?
[17:46] <BluesKaj-Laptop> xfact, wine isn't working very well on either of my lucid machines and I can' t seem to find out why
[17:47] <xfact> BluesKaj-Laptop, Well, it' surprising cause in my Lucid Wine working greatly! (I have upgraded from Karmic too)
[17:47] <BluesKaj-Laptop> xfact, what apps are you running in wine , for example ?
[17:48] <xfact> BluesKaj-Laptop, For now Picasa 3.6, ibibo games, Myspace IM (won't work as usual)
[17:49] <evilshadeslayer> maco: figured it out
[17:49] <evilshadeslayer> maco: kernel needed to be reconfigured....
[17:49] <maco> evilshadeslayer: ah
[17:49] <evilshadeslayer> maco: :)
[17:49] <evilshadeslayer> now to wait for the scrambled icons fixes...
[17:50] <xfact> Here is the picture of my situation, http://imagebin.org/92515
[17:50] <evilshadeslayer> and powermizer....
[17:51] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: ok i didnt catch your problem earlier... can you explain it all in one line?
[17:51] <ZykoticK9> xfact, that's what my Hardware Drivers looks like as well - is nvidia working ok on your system though?
[17:51] <C10uD> so, sometimes my keyboard enables the mouse control through the numeric keys automagically, any clue on why?
[17:52] <xfact> ZykoticK9, Yup, problem is I an't have my visual effects any more, and most annoying is my window borders disappear every time after boot
[17:53] <ZykoticK9> xfact, not sure about those issues -- sounds like the partial upgrade issue with metacity/compiz from the other day
[17:53] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, Well, after running some updates my visual effects and window borders are not working, thats all
[17:53] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: simple...
[17:53] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: which WM ?
[17:53] <crazybyte> bjsnider, beg to differ on the subject of sun-java6 packages. at least in my synaptic or aptitude they show up. that's why i asked. then the only option is openjdk without any sun-java packages? thank you!
[17:53] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: gnome?
[17:54] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, yes
[17:54] <xfact> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[17:54] <evilshadeslayer> hmm... run : compiz --replace
[17:54] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, I am doing that every time after boot to have my window borders back, but what about visual effects
[17:55] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: any errors?
[17:55] <bjsnider> crazybyte, which sun-java packages are in your synaptic?
[17:55] <xfact> ZykoticK9, Well some said it's a known issue, after few updates it will be solved, but now it seems like gonna happen
[17:55] <BluesKaj-Laptop> xfact, i had the same issue , drop to a tty and try this : http://www.pastebin.ca/1859072
[17:55] <crazybyte> sun-java6-bin, sun-java6... except sun-java6-doc
[17:55] <crazybyte> bjsnider, ^^
[17:55] <bjsnider> !find sun-java6-bin
[17:56] <crazybyte> strange
[17:56] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, Well, no after some flickers Window borders coming back, but Visual effects still 0
[17:56] <evilshadeslayer> also sun-java6-plugin :)
[17:56] <crazybyte> i see
[17:56] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: i think your missing composting
[17:56] <crazybyte> that means that it stayed back from the upgrade
[17:56] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: try --compost too
[17:56] <bjsnider> crazybyte, did you upgrade from karmic or clean install lucid?
[17:57] <bjsnider> !find sun-java6-plugin
[17:57] <crazybyte> bjsnider, i did upgrade. that's the reason then. then there will be no sun java packages in lucid?
[17:57] <Sabre-Edge> i wouldn't have done that
[17:57] <Sabre-Edge> i upgraded and lost everything
[17:57] <xfact> Well, Metacity --replace and compiz -replace has any major difference?
[17:57] <methril> someone knows what could happen with usbmux?
[17:57] <Sabre-Edge> do a fresh install
[17:57] <methril> it could swhitch off a computer?
[17:57] <evilshadeslayer> Sabre-Edge: thats not a solution
[17:57] <bjsnider> crazybyte, i don't know about that. i was searching for that answer yesterday though
[17:58] <Sabre-Edge> ok
[17:58] <crazybyte> bjsnider, so did I earlier on Google but I couldn't find anything related that would explain it
[17:58] <xfact> Actually I am worried about my Visual effects more then the window borders, cause I haven't even seen those in 2 days
[17:59] <crazybyte> bjsnider, for the moment I won't remove them because I experienced some breakage with openjdk in the past.
[17:59] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: like i said.. try : compiz --replace --compost
[17:59] <bjsnider> openjdk breaks opera's java plugin
[17:59] <xfact> BluesKaj-Laptop, Well, your console layout looks common
[18:00] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, ahh! Now my window borders are gone
[18:00] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: 0_o
[18:00] <crazybyte> bjsnider, i don't care about java in opera, only in firefox but i need the rest
[18:00] <penguin42> evilshadeslayer: What does the --compost do?
[18:01] <evilshadeslayer> penguin42: just a more verbose option to enable composting
[18:01] <BluesKaj-Laptop> xfact, yeah , I suspect it's generic , but it works .
[18:01] <penguin42> evilshadeslayer: Is compost not compositing? or composing?
[18:01] <BluesKaj-Laptop> crazybyte, ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:01] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, I am not worried metacity --replace will bring them back, but still visual effects won't work as usual
[18:01] <evilshadeslayer> penguin42: afaik with compiz.. its --compost
[18:01] <crazybyte> bjsnider, this is what i found now http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-users/2010-04/msg00804.html
[18:01] <crazybyte> BluesKaj-Laptop, I will try that too
[18:02] <bjsnider> crazybyte, at or after release the sun0java6 packages will be in the partner repo is the answer i get
[18:02] <crazybyte> yeah
[18:02] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: hmm... ok do this : metacity --replace;compiz --compost
[18:02] <crazybyte> that's what i found myself too
[18:02] <crazybyte> BluesKaj-Laptop, the runtime is in restricted extras, you're right
[18:03] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: idk alot about compiz but i think that should do it...
[18:03] <xfact> evilshadeslayer, Well, it brought the window border back, thats all still no effects
[18:04] <xfact> Aren't you guys facing/faced this problem, or it's just having in my pc?
[18:04] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: idk then... sorry
[18:04] <evilshadeslayer> xfact: also try changing the drivers or something :)
[18:04] <xfact> That means I am only facing this
[18:05] <crazybyte> bjsnider, i have the partner repos enabled already that's why i saw the packages but no doc though which is imho strange. anyway thx for helping me. BluesKaj-Laptop thanks also
[18:06] <BluesKaj-Laptop> crazybyte, also for flash , flashplugin-nonfree
[18:06] <xfact> It's weird when I am having my visual effects then my window borders are going off,
[18:06] <crazybyte> BluesKaj-Laptop, yeah i know that. also i'm using medibuntu
[18:07] <BluesKaj-Laptop> crazybyte, ok good :)
[18:07] <crazybyte> BluesKaj-Laptop, my concern was for java because I need it for my work
[18:07] <crazybyte> BluesKaj-Laptop, anyway thank you again
[18:07] <BluesKaj-Laptop> right
[18:08] <yofel_> wtf? I just rebooted and noticed that I have notify-osd running instead of knotify o.O
[18:10] <informavore> hi folks, is networking completely haywire for anyone else.... I did an apt-get upgrade today, and now my laptop's ping times are >100ms, chrome never renders pages 'cause of timeouts, and firefox segfaults on startup...  I'm wondering if it's just my bad luck
[18:20] <geekphreak> hiya al
[18:26] <informavore> hi
[18:29] <sirninja> Does anybody else use docky and have a problem with it crashing a lot in lucid?
[18:32] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[18:32] <ActionParsnip> guys is udisks being held back for ages on everyones system?
[18:33] <xfact> sirninja, Yup, mine crashes everytime probably for loading my Gmail notifications
[18:33] <sirninja> xfact: does removing that docklet stop the crashes for you?
[18:34] <xfact> sirninja, Never tried, it should cause before that docklet my docky was stable enough
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> just me then
[18:42] <thebishop> hello
[18:42] <thebishop> Lucid runs quite nicely on my new laptop, but i'm noticing some occasional graphical glitches.  my chipset is intel 4500MHD
[18:43] <holstein> hey thebishop
[18:43] <thebishop> it's the kind of glitch i'd expect to see from a loose connection, and it doesn't seem to be related to anything in software
[18:43] <holstein> what issues?
[18:43] <holstein> i had some crazy black-screen issues
[18:43] <holstein> without lock-up
[18:44] <thebishop> yeah, this isn't locking up either
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> reduce refresh rate may help
[18:44] <holstein> seems that the new updates have gotten it
[18:44] <crimsun> penguin42: is picasa still a wine-based "app?"
[18:44] <holstein> on my EEE intel chip
[18:44] <crimsun> penguin42: if so, you should be able to reproduce it with any wine-based app as the mixer polls current status
[18:44] <penguin42> crimsun: I think so - but it's not just Picasa; I had the same thing happen when I started Blender - something odd is going on
[18:44] <thebishop> ActionParsnip, refresh rate seems low if anything, this display has an led backlight and my eyes are sensitive to the flicker of led
[18:44] <penguin42> crimsun: I haven't updated for about a week though
[18:45] <thebishop> i see it on the road when taillights are led
[18:46] <crimsun> penguin42: if anything calls into the mixer layer, that will happen. It shouldn't "stop pulse," though
[18:46] <penguin42> crimsun: Exaile is stopping playing and I got it going again by doing a pasuspend /bin/true
[18:46] <crimsun> what does "stop pulse" there mean, anyway? I interpreted it to mean "causes the daemon to segfault"
[18:47] <penguin42> crimsun: No, I don't think it's segging, user.log still shows the same pid
[18:47] <crimsun> penguin42: can you get a verbose log when that happens? (either bump the log-level in daemon.conf, or use wiki/PulseAudio/Log)
[18:48] <crimsun> if it's just pausing, something is corking the stream
[18:48] <crimsun> normally corking is requested by the app itself
[18:48] <penguin42> sounds painful
[18:48] <penguin42> but why would pasuspender /bin/true restart it if the app was involved?
[18:49] <penguin42> crimsun: What would you like log-level set to ?
[18:49] <crimsun> penguin42: I can't answer that until I see a verbose log :-)
[18:49] <penguin42> hmmm a time loop :-)
[18:50] <penguin42> crimsun: Does log-level=verbose do that?
[18:50] <crimsun> debug should work
[18:50] <crimsun> cmdline.c:                        pa_log(_("--log-level expects log level argument (either numeric in range 0..4 or one of debug, info, notice, warn, error)."));
[18:50] <penguin42> ok and then do I restart pa or can I give it a kick?
[18:51] <crimsun> depends how you're doing it
[18:51] <crimsun> if you're using pactl, you don't need to restart the daemon
[18:51] <crimsun> sorry, pacmd
[18:52] <crimsun> e.g., pacmd set-log-level
[18:52] <penguin42> and log level of 0=debug?
[18:53] <xfact> Well, finally I have come to this conclusion, the stable going to release in 29th, not so far... so for any problems I can tolerate till then :)
[18:53] <sjd> I have a quick question. I'm currently using 9.10 and have build the OpenCV library for Python, will it stop working if I upgrade to Lucid?
[18:54] <crimsun> penguin42: yes
[18:55] <sjd> will upgrading to Lucid break the current OpenCV setup with Python ?
[18:55] <crimsun> penguin42: then after reproducing the symptom, e.g., grep pulseaudio\\[ /var/log/user.log
[18:55] <sjd> any comments?
[18:56] <penguin42> crimsun: Nothing in user.log from starting blender; blender spat out a series of bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) so I guess it is trying to use audio, pasuspender /bin/true still restarts it
[18:56] <crimsun> sjd: it'd be nice if you waited a few minutes
[18:56] <sjd> crimsun: yes. for sure.
[18:57] <djdarkman> hello, I create a wireless network with a laptop, but my android phone doesn't see it, why is that?
[18:57] <sjd> djdarkman: are you sure that you have turned on the wireless ?
[18:58] <crimsun> penguin42: sorry, should have been 4, not 0
[18:58] <crimsun> I'm working with different masks across two different source packages
[19:00] <djdarkman> yes it worked good another laptop running windows7, but my android phone doesn't seem to notice it
[19:01] <sjd> djdarkman: are you using Lucid ?
[19:01] <sjd> djdarkman: please be specific on your question.
[19:02] <crimsun> sjd: it shouldn't "stop working," per se - but why aren't you using python-cv from the repository?
[19:02] <DanaG> guawd, stupid iced tea.
[19:02] <DanaG> segfaults firefox every time.
[19:02] <penguin42> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/412220/
[19:03] <sjd> crimsun: because I was depending on another library called cvBlobsLib in OpenCV which was not included in the python-cv package from repository.
[19:05] <SandGorgon> is anybody using plasma-widget-networkmanagement in KDE rather than knetworkmanager in kubuntu 10.04?
[19:05] <DanaG> hmm, buttons-on-the-left (now that it's no longer "fail" layout) is actually decent.
[19:05] <DanaG> But, I still find those themes quite ugly.
[19:05] <DanaG> =þ
[19:05] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm going to disappear for a while; I'll be back in 30min or so if you need any more debug
[19:06] <crimsun> penguin42: is this symptom reproducible in a GSt app?
[19:06] <penguin42> crimsun: GSt?
[19:06] <sjd> crimsun: why I asked was, the entire build depends heavily on ffmpeg and other third party libraries. so will get shot?
[19:06] <crimsun> penguin42: GStreamer-based
[19:07] <crimsun> sjd: well, it's likely that there will be some migration issues, yes, because Lucid has pretty significant ffmpeg changes
[19:07] <crimsun> sjd: just rebuild your opencv version after the dist-upgrade if you're worried
[19:07] <yofel> SandGorgon: yes, please note that it's still work in progress
[19:07] <sjd> crimsun: okay. then i would not dare to move to Lucid now.
[19:08] <penguin42> crimsun: totem doesn't seem to trigger it
[19:08] <crimsun> sjd: I honestly don't see any difference between doing it now and three weeks from now
[19:08] <crimsun> sjd: you'll have to recompile opencv regardless
[19:08] <SandGorgon> yofel, no problem .. i'm masochistic anyways... reasonably usable ?
[19:08] <sjd> crimsun: the problem is because, OpenCV is more or less umaintained. so whenever ffmpeg changes the data structures, OpenCV crashes.
[19:08] <crimsun> penguin42: do any other "pure" / native alsa apps trigger it?
[19:09] <djdarkman> sjd: if I wouldn't be using Lucid I wouldn't have came here in the first place :) I can't be any more specific about it, android 1.6 phone doesn't show my wireless network that I created with network manager
[19:09] <crimsun> penguin42: e.g., speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav
[19:09] <sjd> crimsun: 3 weeks ahead makes a big difference, as I wont be using OpenCV again! :)
[19:09] <penguin42> crimsun: The only ones I've seen today are picasa and blender - but I haven't tried anything; that speaker-test didn't do it
[19:09] <yofel> SandGorgon: it works fine here for my home wpa2 personal G wireless, you need to load the settings module by hand though as it's experimental if you want to use it without knetworkmanager running at the same time
[19:10] <crimsun> penguin42: are those both "pure" / native alsa?
[19:10] <penguin42> crimsun: I don't know - I hadn't expected either of them to want audio at all!
[19:10] <sjd> crimsun: thanks for the info.
[19:10] <SandGorgon> yofel, yup.. I read the instructions at http://osdir.com/ml/kubuntu-devel/2010-03/msg00013.html
[19:22] <aboleth> hey i'm running beta 2 on my laptop. I use a second monitor which worked well until I upgraded. It normally will work a bit past the login screen but then it will just turn off on the second monitor. Nothing in the monitor settings seems to fix it. What should I do?
[19:33] <desero> anyone noticed gwibber-services using a lot of the CPU?
[19:34] <ZykoticK9> desero, i did the other day!  seems to have calmed down other then the one time.
[19:35] <vish> desero: main culprit Bug 530605
[19:35] <desero> my friend just posted this to me: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome-keyring/+bug/530605
[19:35] <desero> yeah, vish, thanks ;)
[19:35] <vish> ha:
[19:36] <vish> bad ubottu repeating twice ;p
[19:40] <desero> when I have already installed lucid, do I have to run the update-manager with the -d parameter?
[19:41] <mawst> Anyone know where to get a good dictionary file?
[19:41] <DanaG> damn icedtea*segfault*
[19:42] <desero> mawst: from GNU aspell?
[19:42] <BluesKaj-Laptop> desero, no , whynot run sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[19:42] <desero> because it doesn't matter
[19:42] <BluesKaj-Laptop> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:42] <mawst> desero: for cracking
[19:43] <BluesKaj-Laptop> time for my daily walk..bbl
[19:43] <desero> yes, any dictionary would do the trick I suppose
[19:49] <under0> Why ubuntu 10.04 uses 500mb of memory? i've just installed..
[19:50] <Micc_> I'm upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04, but the upgrade is stuck on Installing the upgrades
[19:50] <Micc_> the progress bar shows 25 minutes, below the progress bar says preparing memtest86+
[19:50] <Micc_> And the Terminal says Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz... over and over
[19:51] <Micc_> I deleted that image from the /boot dir
[19:51] <Micc_> but its still saying that in the terminal
[19:51] <penguin42> Micc_: Is it the same number after the .... ?
[19:52] <Micc_> yeah. /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic
[19:57] <JoshuaL> There was someone with the same issue I had yesterday. Cant remember which user it was but I have fixed my issue./
[19:58] <JoshuaL> Just in case the user in questions is here atm :P
[20:03] <avis> how does one install linux-alsa-modules for latest kernel if the ubuntu-audio-dev is not enabled ?
[20:04] <crimsun> avis: you browse to /+archive/ppa and download manually?
[20:05] <avis> i want to file a bug report against a ubuntu installation that might not be working for lucid so i removed your ppa so they could fix it
[20:06] <avis> for oxygen hd
[20:06] <avis> if not, i'll have to depend on your ppa forever
[20:07] <AKM144204> avis:install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-de
[20:07] <avis> AKM144204, i wish for ubuntu to fix this themselves
[20:07] <avis> another ppa wont help
[20:07] <avis> the developers
[20:08] <penguin42> avis: crimsun fixes most of the ubuntu pulse issues; take his ppas they will get back into the release
[20:09] <avis> penguin42, got it.  if thats true, that'll definitely work.
[20:09] <avis> his ppa simply is functional for my chipset
[20:10] <crimsun> avis: are you referring to the oxygen hd issue that you posted to the ubuntu-devel* mailing list?
[20:10] <avis> yes.  they wanted me to file a bug report on it, on launchpad, but if yours gets merged with ubuntu final, there is really no need to take it further.  there is nothing wrong with yours
[20:10] <crimsun> avis: the "they" to which you refer is me.
[20:11] <avis> oh i see
[20:11] <avis> we'll you are mistaken i'm definitely good with sound as long as i use your ppa.  if i removed it, might be a different case
[20:11]  * penguin42 had always thought there must be multiple crimsuns
[20:11] <crimsun> penguin42: across the internets, absolutely
[20:11] <crimsun> penguin42: across broken-ubuntu-sound, pro'ly not :-)
[20:12] <avis> crimsun, so yours gets merged with the final release ?
[20:12] <crimsun> avis: no, it's very, very late for such an invasive fix to land in Ubuntu's kernel
[20:13] <avis> crimsun, will your ppa last for quite a long time, will there always be a fix ?
[20:13] <crimsun> avis: I'll look again later this evening, but I don't think it's even worth trying to request it be added to the kernel source at this stage.
[20:13] <avis> ok.  i'll leave it i your hands
[20:13] <crimsun> avis: the ppa spins new linux-alsa-driver-modules packages daily
[20:14] <avis> such a shame too, it was once functional with ubuntu alone i read on the forums.
[20:14] <crimsun> avis: the developers have no plans to remove it, if that's what you're asking
[20:14] <avis> remove the one that doesn't support oxygen hd ?
[20:14] <crimsun> avis: "remove?"
[20:14] <crimsun> avis: the one that doesn't work is in the kernel proper
[20:14] <avis> nevermind.  you meant your ppa.  np thank you
[20:15] <avis> i really appreciate your contribution to sound.  my speakers are nothing fancy, but thats a good sound card
[20:15] <Micc_> How can I remove a linux kernel from ubuntu?
[20:16] <crimsun> Micc_: meaning?
[20:16] <crimsun> penguin42: so, pasuspender is actually _triggering_ the cork and uncork when you run it
[20:16] <crimsun> penguin42: it very well could be an issue with the pulse alsa-plugin
[20:16] <crimsun> penguin42: particularly since native pulse apps don't seem to trigger the symptom
[20:17] <penguin42> crimsun: The fact it's both blender and Picasa makes that sound likely
[20:17] <penguin42> crimsun: I'll do an update to the latest todays packages in a few minutes and see if it still triggers it
[20:26] <Micc_> I want to remove one of the kernels from grub and get rid of the images. Is there a better way than just rm /boot/vmlinuz-...
[20:27] <crimsun> Micc_: sure, deinstall the linux-image-foo package
[20:36] <Micc_> how do I get the upgrade to finish now that its stuck on Found linux image:
[20:38] <penguin42> Micc_: If you look in /boot how many vmlinuz-somethings do you have?
[20:39] <Micc_> 3 now, I deleted one.
[20:39] <penguin42> 3 is pretty normal - it shouldn't be a problem
[20:39] <Micc_> But it still says it found it probably because I didn't remove the package. but I can't while the upgrade is happening.
[20:39] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys my desktop machine with beta2 installed is stuck in an infinite loop checking the drive
[20:39] <Micc_> I ctrl-c it
[20:40] <LinuxGuy2009> How do I get to a command line to update the system and hopefully correct the issue?
[20:40] <penguin42> Micc_: I don't think removing it is the right thing to do - I don't think that's the cause of the problem
[20:40] <Micc_> we'll see if it leave my system in a broken state or not.
[20:40] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: How long have you been waiting/how do you know if it's infinite!
[20:40] <penguin42> Micc_: OK, if you've ctrl-c'd it try kicking off the upgrade again - don't reboot yet
[20:40] <Micc_> its still going. it just skipped that part.
[20:40] <LinuxGuy2009> Goes through to 42% and starts over each time. Gone through about 20 times now
[20:41] <Micc_> now it looks like it will finish. Should I rerun it or stop it now and start it again?
[20:41] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: hmm odd, how big is the drive and is it a normal internal drive?
[20:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Says press c to cancel but doesnt stop
[20:41] <penguin42> Micc_: I'd rerun
[20:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Yeah i have a pair of SATA 500B drives.
[20:41] <LinuxGuy2009> 500GB\
[20:42] <Micc_> ok, so I'll wait till it finishes and before I reboot will it allow me to rerun it?
[20:42] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: Separate filesystems or something clever?
[20:42] <Micc_> won't it think its already upgraded?
[20:42] <LinuxGuy2009> Umm HDD1 is / and HDD2 is /home
[20:42] <Walzmyn> I'm having trouble getting my propritary nvidia driver installed in Beta
[20:42] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:42] <penguin42> Micc_: well, personally post-upgrade I'd run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade on a command line to check it's OK
[20:42] <billybigrigger> anyone know where the mail notifications went? ie for chat and mail?
[20:43] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: That should be OK, you could try booting from the live cd and fsck'ing individually
[20:43] <Micc_> ok
[20:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Ok ill try that right now
[20:43] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Make sure you're running indicator-applet-session
[20:43] <billybigrigger> they've disappeared after an update & reboot
[20:44] <penguin42> put them back?
[20:44] <billybigrigger> penguin42, didn't remove them
[20:44] <billybigrigger> how do i start that process?
[20:45] <billybigrigger> hmm nevermind, it's running
[20:45] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Right click on the panel, add to panel, and add indicator applet and indicator applet session
[20:47] <LinuxGuy2009> Ive never had to manually run fsck on a drive before. What do I do? fsck /dev/sda etc?]
[20:47] <penguin42> yep
[20:47] <penguin42> actually no
[20:48] <penguin42> fsck /dev/sda1 if that's what the partition is
[20:48] <LinuxGuy2009> oh ok cool
[20:48] <maSSteredu> hello
[20:49] <maSSteredu> has anyone problems with youtube in totem?
[20:50] <maSSteredu> no one ? just I ? lol :D
[20:50] <Walzmyn> Anybody else have trouble getting nvidia drivers installed after upgradeing to Beta?
[20:51] <LinuxGuy2009> The downloaded one yes. One from repo, no.
[20:51] <LinuxGuy2009> penguin42: Thank you fsck fixed me right up again. ;-)
[20:52] <maSSteredu> Walzmyn: you can ignore the error message
[20:52] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: It's curious that it got stuck though - can you report it as a bug just so it gets spotted if lots of other people find the same thing
[20:52] <maSSteredu> walzmyn: just restart and you have the new one
[20:52] <Walzmyn> maSSteredu: what do you mean ignore the error message?
[20:52] <Walzmyn> maSSteredu: ok
[20:52] <maSSteredu> Walzmyn: what error message is it?
[20:52] <maSSteredu> an error that you have to look in /etc/var/ etc.?
[20:53] <LinuxGuy2009> penguin42: Yeah sure thats probably a good idea. What should I file against?
[20:53] <Walzmyn> maSSteredu: oh, looky there, my desktop effects are working, when I enable them
[20:53] <maSSteredu> walzmyn: i had the same one , like many others, and we ignored it
[20:53] <Walzmyn> maSSteredu: thankyouverymuch
[20:53] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: Heck I don't know - mountall?
[20:53] <maSSteredu> walzmyn: np xd ^^ have fun :)
[20:53] <LinuxGuy2009> penguin42: hehe
[20:54] <LinuxGuy2009> penguin42: Whats the package that fsck is part of? Isnt it like linux-tools or something like that?
[20:54] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: 40%? that's a new one, we had reports about stuck at 70% though
[20:54] <LinuxGuy2009> yofel:  Yeah strange numbers to get stuck at.
[20:55] <penguin42> LinuxGuy2009: Well there is e2fsprogs for ext2/ext3/ext4 /sbin/fsck.ext* and there is util-linux for /sbin/fsck - but those don't do the pretty front end
[20:55] <penguin42> yofel: Any idea what the number is?
[20:55] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: and fsck belongs to the package the filesystem tools are in
[20:55] <Walzmyn> ok, next issue - started with the 4.4 upgrade - The Akondi server won't start up
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2009> Im not sure what to file it under so I guess I wont.
[20:55] <yofel> penguin42: sec, need to search through my  bugmail
[20:56] <yofel> bug 554079, and we have no idea what's broken
[20:56] <yofel> sysvinit is wrong, but as scott didn't change it either we're just leaving it at that for now
[20:57] <penguin42> yofel, LinuxGuy2009: I suspect it's best for LinuxGuy2009 to comment and subscribe to that
[20:59] <Walzmyn> dist-update is wanting to update ktorrent-data and remove ktorrent - Why's it want to remove ktorrent?
[20:59] <yofel> Walzmyn: might be ktorrent isn't completely bulit yet, wait a hour or two and try again
[21:00] <yofel> *build
[21:02] <Walzmyn> yofel: ok, I wan't gonna remove it. You're saying its jsut not in the repo at the momement?
[21:18] <ManDay> Is there a list with new features/changes besides bugs?
[21:19] <penguin42> ManDay: You mean in Lucid or that people want?
[21:19] <ManDay> lol
[21:20] <ManDay> no i meant lucid
[21:20] <penguin42> ManDay: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.10
[21:20] <ManDay> i se
[21:20] <ManDay> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.10
[21:20] <ManDay> e
[21:20] <ManDay> omg hal fully removed?
[21:21] <ManDay> i never thought this would happen within my time
[21:21] <ManDay> default search engine made yahoo! is that a statement?
[21:22] <ManDay> are there any specifics on *what* is new in gnome?
[21:22] <arand> ManDay: Reverted to google, fyi.
[21:23] <ManDay> fyi = ?
[21:23] <arand> ManDay: For Your Information.
[21:23] <ManDay> good lord i ll know that ill get the minimal package again. twitter integration packed with the vanilla package? ... where the heck have we come...
[21:25] <Blastur> hello. if i upgrade to lucid beta 2 today, will it be a problem to upgrade it to lucid final later on?
[21:25] <informavore> blastur: no, that's what aptitude safe-upgrade is for....
[21:26] <penguin42> Blastur: Probably not, there are occasional problems but they normally get sorted
[21:26] <JoshuaL> installing all updates will result in the final lucid :)
[21:27] <JoshuaL> Blastur, but use aptitude safe-upgrade when installing updates when using the beta like informavore
[21:27] <JoshuaL> like informavore said*
[21:27] <Blastur> alrite
[21:27] <subchee> hello
[21:28] <subchee> could you help me, please? I'd like to compile acerhk module, but I can't...
[21:28] <DanaG> Assertion '(size_t) decoded == a2dp->frame_length' failed at modules/bluetooth/module-bluetooth-device.c:1375, function a2dp_process_push(). Aborting.
[21:29] <cleifer> Anybody know how to get the location bar to be editable in Nautilus using 10.04 ?
[21:29] <cleifer> it's just buttons :-/
[21:30] <informavore> right click on the location bar, it gives the option.
[21:30] <DanaG> try this
[21:30] <DanaG> just hit '/'
[21:30] <cleifer> informavore, i don't see it
[21:30] <DanaG> er
[21:30] <DanaG> didn't work.
[21:30] <DanaG> dang
[21:30] <informavore> my bad, that's for dolphin...
[21:31] <DanaG> ctrl-l works, at least.
[21:31] <cleifer> DanaG, yeah you can type slash to go to a location but i want the editable location bar
[21:31] <DanaG> weird... slash does not work for me.
[21:31] <cleifer> yeah, you used to have a little pencil icon and could switch to it that way
[21:32] <cleifer> didn't see it in the preferences menu either
[21:32] <cleifer> is this bug-worthy?
[21:32] <EagleScreen> is sun-java6-plugin still incompatible with Firefox 3.6?
[21:33] <yofel> EagleScreen: *should* be fixed
[21:33] <EagleScreen> mmmm
[21:33] <EagleScreen> checking updates
[21:33] <yofel> EagleScreen: what version do you have?
[21:35] <EagleScreen> 6.19-0ubuntu2 and ubuntu3 revision is available
[21:35] <yofel> yep, 3 is the fixed one
[21:35] <EagleScreen> updating right now, thanks
[21:36] <EagleScreen> what is the default Gnome theme for beta2?
[21:36] <EagleScreen> i am curious
[21:37] <topyli> EagleScreen, ambiance
[21:40] <h4f> When I change my appearance preference. then press keep settings. the "keep settings" and "appearance preference" windows freezes
[21:43] <DanaG1> "keep settings"?  I've never seen such a button.
[21:44] <h4f>  DanaG1 yeap when you change appearance. it will change appearance in 30 sec time . if you want press kkeep settings button it will fall back to its previous settings
[21:44] <DanaG1> oh, I see... the visual effects tab.
[21:44] <DanaG1> right.
[21:44] <DanaG1> forgot about that one.
[21:46] <yofel> ok... since last updates somethin is messed up here... I have KDE running and notify-osd tells me that apparmor denied mysql access by akonadi -> wtf?
[21:48] <AKM144204> Is anybody use the tool HDAAnalyzer??
[21:55] <nvme> i have an ati 5770 HD, installed lucid just now and activated the 3rd party amd drive, now i keep getting pushed to low graphics mode.  The drivers worked fine in 9.10, anyone know whats up ?
[21:56] <laumonier> i have just install lucid and i have a major graphic problem when im watching a video after a few minute my screen become full of color line that appear and disapear fastly and i have to reset my laptop . Am i the only one who have this problem??? is there someone to give me a piece of advice?????? thanks for answer
[21:59] <informavore> ATI proprietary drivers don't work on lucid yet.  You are using opensource ati drivers, not same performance/functionality.
[22:00] <duffydack> informavore, working here.
[22:01] <jackhigh> informavore: working here too
[22:01] <joaopinto> not here, at least testing 2 days ago
[22:02] <joaopinto> was segfaulting on opengl apps
[22:02] <penguin42> nvme: The open source drivers don't do the 5xxx chips yet, so you will need the frglx drivers
[22:02] <jackhigh> nvme: i had to run aticonfig --initial manually did you try that ?
[22:02] <nvme> jackhigh, no i dont know what that is :P
[22:03] <penguin42> crimsun: The blender+pa audio bug still happens on something up to date for me
[22:03] <nvme> penguin42, how do i get those ?
[22:04] <jackhigh> open a terminal and run sudo aticonfig --initial and reboot see how it goes the fglrx are the 3rd party ones that you installed i think
[22:05] <penguin42> nvme: Try system->administration->hardware drivers
[22:05] <nvme> penguin42, yeah thats what i installed :P
[22:05] <penguin42> nvme: OK, try following jackhigh's instructions - I've not tried it
[22:05] <jackhigh> gl
[22:05] <nvme> okay, need to restart brb
[22:11] <informavore> jackhigh: doesn't work with my 760G [Radeon 3000] built-in... I used to stream HD on my screen, but lost it on upgrade to lucid
[22:12] <BUGabundo> hey. I'm back :)
[22:12] <penguin42> informavore: I run the opensource drivers on a 4350; haven't tried HD though, youtube is OK except when its got overlays when it really
[22:12] <penguin42> slows down.
[22:13] <jackhigh> the upgrade was funny with me too, i couldnt get fglrx to work at all with the upgrade but when i did a fresh install it worked i dont pretend to know why though
[22:14] <coc0nut> Because upgrades break things.
[22:14] <coc0nut> There's no reason for it, just the will of the universe.
[22:14] <jackhigh> :)
[22:14] <coc0nut> :(
[22:16] <Blastur> so, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 and the screen goes completely black after the splash logo displays (i hear the login sound). im guessing it does not have out-of-the-box support for my ati card like 9.10 had. what can i do?
[22:16] <penguin42> Blastur: Which card?
[22:16] <Blastur> ati radeon hd5750-based
[22:17] <penguin42> Blastur: Add radeon.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line, boot and then install the closed source driver
[22:17] <Blastur> ok, cool. ill try that
[22:22] <Blastur> hmm, whats the easiest way to change your boot argument? i tried pressing 'e' at grub to edit my linux entry, but im not sure how to save it so its actually in use (it says "basic emacs editor".. but emacs is ctrl-x, ctrl-s to save, right?)
[22:22] <Blastur> ctrl-x boots without saving it seems
[22:23] <penguin42> Blastur: It should use it when you boot from there, I don't think it's emacs style I just thought it's something like hitting return ?
[22:23]  * penguin42 hasn't actually got Grub2 in front of me
[22:23] <Blastur> its grub 1.98
[22:24] <Blastur> also, isnt 10.04 suppose to use kernel 2.6.33?
[22:24] <Blastur> mine uses 2.6.32-19
[22:24] <penguin42> no, 33 arrived too late
[22:25] <Blastur> anyway, if editing the command line and then hitting ctrl-x to boot in grub should do it,.. then the modeset thing have no effect
[22:25] <penguin42> does anyone know how you're supposed to manage to hit shift in a KVM guest ubuntu installation?
[22:26] <nvme> jackhigh, it says Found fglrx primary device section, Unable to find any supported Screen sections
[22:27] <BigMack83> can anyone help? I installed lucid but it seemed to have not recognized my windows 7 installation (i was dual booting before fine) so now in the grub menu when i select to boot into windows, i just get a blinking cursor and nothing happens. how can i restore the ability to boot into windows again?
[22:28] <David-T> BigMack83: something similar happened to me... i had to boot from my win7 dvd and run bootrec.exe
[22:29] <BigMack83> hrmm, i dont have a boot cd, just the recovery image
[22:29] <BigMack83> David-T, once you did that did you have to re-install grub?
[22:30] <David-T> well yes, but i'd already overwritten grub trying other things to fix it..
[22:30] <BigMack83> ah
[22:31] <David-T> i think it was the /rebuildbcd that fixed it, but TBH I'm not sure
[22:31] <tucemiux> when is lucid getting released?
[22:31] <BigMack83> well im not sure what i can do if i dont have the actual recovery cd. arent there sites where you can download the boot recovery to put on a disc and boot from to fix it?
[22:32] <tucemiux> on april 29th
[22:32] <tucemiux> i see
[22:32] <tucemiux> sound is still quite broken
[22:32] <David-T> BigMack83: i expect that's illegal, but possible...
[22:32] <DanaG> If you have another win7 machine, you can make a recovery dvd.
[22:32] <DanaG> or cd.
[22:32] <tucemiux> BigMack83, what are you attempting to fix?
[22:33] <DanaG> Probably a bcdedit issue -- partition ID changed?
[22:33] <BigMack83> hrmm, yea. well if i could boot into windows i could rip the recovery cd's. lol but if i could do that it would defeat the purpose of needing them.
[22:33] <BigMack83> after installing lucid it borked my dual boot, so i cant boot into windows anymore.
[22:33] <tucemiux> BigMack83, that's an easy fix
[22:33] <BigMack83> i dont have the recovery cd, just the recovery image that is a ghost of the HD
[22:34] <BigMack83> recovery cd for windows
[22:34] <BigMack83> is it?
[22:34] <tucemiux> BigMack83, ever heard of grub2?
[22:34] <BigMack83> any tips
[22:34] <BigMack83> yes thats what i have installed
[22:34] <tucemiux> BigMack83, can you boot up into lucid?
[22:34] <BigMack83> in it now
[22:34] <tucemiux> you know how to use paste bin?
[22:34] <BigMack83> si
[22:35] <tucemiux> sudo fdisk -l
[22:35] <tucemiux> BigMack83, even easier, just update grub
[22:35] <tucemiux> sudo update-grub
[22:36] <BigMack83> http://pastebin.com/mR42ZztD
[22:36] <BigMack83> ah, ermm, hold on
[22:36] <KDesk> hi. usgin the latest firefox version, I get no KDE integration, is something else that I have to activate?
[22:37] <BigMack83> tucemiux, http://pastebin.com/aCLTr3Hh
[22:37] <BigMack83> thats after update-frub
[22:37] <tucemiux> BigMack83, so you have a recovery partition on your first hard drive and then on the second partition you have windows7?
[22:37] <BigMack83> *update-grub
[22:37] <duffydack> windows 7 has its loader on another partition...
[22:37] <dim705> Hello. I've a problem with the view in Ubuntu Lucid Lynx. After, let's say 15 minutes, my eyes start to burn and I get headache. The view is somehow blurred. The graphic card is Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) but I could not found the driver version. Can somebody help me? Thanks a lot!
[22:38] <duffydack> a 100mb partition.
[22:38] <BigMack83> SSD 1-> linux ; HD 2 windows, and a seperate files partition.
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[22:38] <coc0nut> ;)
[22:38] <BigMack83> heh
[22:39] <tucemiux> duffydack, that is the problem, BigMack83 grub2 starts counting partitions from 1, I believe, you might have an issue if you have windows7 on the second partition but why dont you reboot your machine and try booting into windows7
[22:39] <BigMack83> yea windows is on /dev/sda1 and linux is on /dev/sdb1
[22:40] <BigMack83> windows in on the first harddrive. i had it backwards. i normally use linux so i think with it as first sometimes
[22:40] <bjsnider> dim705, maybe the panel isn't at its native resolution
[22:40] <DanaG> I wonder if it needs the drivemap thingy.
[22:40] <DanaG> if Windows is on a separate physical drive.
[22:40] <duffydack> restore windows mbr then restore grub?
[22:41] <tucemiux> BigMack83, updating grub should do it, if not then you can create your own entry in a file "40_custom"
[22:41] <BigMack83> windows and linux are both on seperate physical drives yes. they are both internal drives.
[22:41] <dim705> Hello bjsnider the resolution is 1920x1200 it's a Syncmaster T240. I should be ok.
[22:42] <BigMack83> Hard drive 1: sda1 has windows, sda2 has a seperate files partition (no OS), second harddrive has linux on sdb1 and swap on sdb2
[22:42] <tucemiux> BigMack83, any particular reason why windows7 doesnt boot?  I have a quad boot and it works just fine, on my every day hard drive I have XP and karmic, on a second hard drive im testing windows7 and lucid
[22:42] <Airells> ubuntu's install time from wubi = 3 m  , kubuntu's install time from wubi = 50 minut ,  why there is such a big different in time ?
[22:43] <dim705> Could it be a problem with the graphic driver?
[22:43] <tucemiux> Airells, ubuntu is not the same as kubuntu
[22:43] <BigMack83> not sure. i was dual booting with Win7/Jaunty fine. Then after installing from disk lucud, whenever i said to boot into windows i just got a blinking cursor and never booted into windows
[22:43] <BigMack83> tucemiux, ^^
[22:43] <Airells> know it but why 47 minut faster
[22:44] <Airells> minutes *
[22:44] <tucemiux> Airells, it's like asking why the mets suck so bad and the yanks have an awesome team
[22:44] <BigMack83> haha
[22:44] <coc0nut> It really isn't.
[22:45] <BigMack83> because the SF giants are the best
[22:45]  * BigMack83 ducks
[22:45] <Airells> i bet you are talking about american football:P
[22:45] <BigMack83> yes, i am a giants fan. at least im not a bandwagoner
[22:45] <tucemiux> BigMack83, it looks like you just needed to update grub, just update grub, reboot your machine, if that doesnt do it then create a custom entry in 40_custom
[22:46] <BigMack83> tuxyea im rebooting now. will let you know if it works. thanks for the help
[22:46] <tucemiux> no problem
[22:46] <DanaG> hmm, does your system have a "hit f9 for boot menu" or such thing?
[22:47] <DanaG> Or F12 on Dell, for example.
[22:49] <Blastur> hm, im still having problems getting X to work properly with my ATI HD5870 card. I installed the binary driver from ATI, and now X prints errors in its log like this: dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: DPMSEnabledSwitch
[22:49] <Blastur> and so fglrx_drv.so seems fucked
[22:49] <diverse_izzue> after upgrading from karmic to lucid, my gdm still has the karmic wallpaper, not the new purple lucid one. what to do?
[22:49] <DanaG> weird... ubuntu-mozilla-daily is broken.
[22:49] <DanaG> XML Parsing Error: undefined entity    Location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul      Line Number 31, Column 1:<window id="main-window"
[22:49] <Zenker> wow did anyone else get a massave update today? theres over 148 packages in mine
[22:50] <diverse_izzue> Zenker, yes. stuff which was held back during beta2 freeze
[22:50] <Zenker> so i take it that theyre all ok now?
[22:51] <DanaG> hmm, and now it's working again.
[22:51] <C-S-B-N900> diverse_izzue: just change the background to whatever you like.
[22:52] <diverse_izzue> C-S-B-N900, how?
[22:53] <Zenker> is there a reason that the gconftool-2 isnt working? i wrote a script for ubuntu 9.10 that changes the background in a timed interval, but its not working in 10.04 any suggestions on what i need 2 do?
[22:55] <Zenker> hya holstein hows ure saturday goin?
[22:55] <C-S-B-N900> diverse_izzue: right click on the desktop or preferences
[22:57] <diverse_izzue> C-S-B-N900, i'm talking about GDM, the login manager. not my desktop
[22:57] <vinicius> x2x is awesome
[22:58] <Zenker> vinicius what is x2x?
[22:58] <vinicius> zenker, basically "sharing keyboard and mouse" between two X sessions
[22:59] <Zenker> oh, cool i have some hardware that lets me to that with 2 puters, its been in my closet for like 3 years now :)
[22:59] <C-S-B-N900> diverse_izzue: oh sorry. can you not change that from the pref menu as well. just change the theme.
[23:00] <Zenker> ok i had to do a partial upgrade, now that its done do i need t reboot b4 the rest or can i just goahead and go back to update manager and finish the rest?
[23:00] <diverse_izzue> C-S-B-N900, i wouldn't know how... I think it should have changed upon upgrade, but didn't
[23:01] <Zenker> well actually, its still cleaning up, so should i restart 1st or can i just goahead and install the rest?
[23:09] <Zenker> DANGIT i was hoping the update would fix my issues with metacity/compiz
[23:09]  * Zenker is kicking his table
[23:12] <psi_> this is terrible, I try to use sage and I get an error
[23:14] <Zenker> The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.---what does this mean exactly? i closed firefox and desktopcouch crashed or DID it?
[23:14] <Zenker> i get this all the time, should i just start checking the box to not report them anymore?
[23:15] <psi_> Here is the error: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/5932
[23:15] <penguin42> Zenker: Which one is crashing?
[23:15] <ripps> huh... just tried out the 2.6.34-rc3 kernel from the the kernel-ppa, but during boot it put my monitor in suspend and wouldn't turn on.
[23:15] <Zenker> i cant remember them all, its almost as if the crash reporter its self is flawed
[23:16] <joaopinto> psi_, and what is "sage" ? can't find any package with that name
[23:16] <Zenker> it reports that a prog crashed, when im using such program, it reports that a prog crashed when i closed it, only once or twice ive actually been able 2 report the crash
[23:16] <psi_> joaopinto, Look for sagemath , is a program that combines a lot of math programs
[23:18] <Zenker> it frequently says that the software center crashed-while im still using it-when i click on report it gives me the same message
[23:18] <chorse> I cannot get xubuntu+qt+phonon runnning, qt 4 settings says phonon was not available but i installed the packages. any suggestions or at least success reports?
[23:18] <joaopinto> psi_, it seems to depend on ipython: sudo apt-get install ipython
[23:19] <psi_> joaopinto, It is installed
[23:19] <joaopinto> hum, it's unable to import it's modules
[23:19] <psi_> psi@psi-laptop:~$ aptitude search ipy
[23:19] <psi_> i   ipython                         - enhanced interactive Python shell
[23:20] <joaopinto> psi_, from python I am able to "import IPython"
[23:20] <joaopinto> so it's an issue with sage, somehow overriding the pythonpath
[23:20] <psi_> do you think it is solveable ?
[23:20] <joaopinto> psi_, run python and try: import IPython
[23:20] <psi_> ill do
[23:21] <psi_> no message
[23:21] <joaopinto> ok, so it imports without an error
[23:21] <psi_> i dont know if it is importd joaopinto
[23:21] <joaopinto> it does, otherwise you would get an error
[23:21] <psi_> mmm can i correct the problem?
[23:21] <joaopinto> try: import something_dummy
[23:22] <joaopinto> if you know python you can, just fix sagemath :P
[23:23] <psi_> joaopinto, Maybe only it is necesary to change a path
[23:23] <vinicius> people still trying to package sage? have their devs changed mind? =P
[23:25] <psi_> vinicius, I didnt understand
[23:25] <psi_> Should it work in 10.4 ?   http://sagemath.c3sl.ufpr.br/linux/32bit/index.html
[23:25] <vinicius> psi_: it's quite self-contained, so yes it should
[23:26] <vinicius> it's just that people have been trying to package that monolith monster for sometime for several distributions
[23:27] <psi_> thanks
[23:33] <ibkanat> how do I adjust my mouse to be slower then is set all the way to slow on point acceleration?  before I would do xset m 1/2 but that does seem to help with lucid
[23:34] <joaopinto> grr, my 3rd system freeze today
[23:36] <RDJ> man Gwibber is seriously bugged
[23:37] <RDJ> am always uploading crash reports via apport
[23:37] <RDJ> hope they fix it for the RC...
[23:42] <BUGabundo> RDJ: like what?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> I don't have a SINGLE crash from gwibber
[23:42] <BUGabundo> using archive or daily PPA?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> and which type of accounts?
[23:42] <RDJ> standard Lucid install
[23:42] <RDJ> facebook and twitter
[23:42] <RDJ> fully up-to-date
[23:42] <BUGabundo> mew
[23:42] <RDJ> not the daily ppa
[23:42] <BUGabundo> daily ppa, 3 statusnet, one twitter
[23:43] <BUGabundo> ZERO crashs
[23:43] <RDJ> hmmm
[23:43] <RDJ> mebbe the PPA is worth a look then
[23:43] <RDJ> they fixed the CPU issues
[23:43] <RDJ> just buggy
[23:43] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:43] <BUGabundo> fixed
[23:43] <Airells> hi , could you try generete rsa-rsa key using  gpg --gen-key  ? 2048 ( 10.4 ubuntu ofc )
[23:44] <RDJ> ok, I'll look into that
[23:44] <Airells> i have a little problems with not enought entropy
[23:44] <BUGabundo>  2662    0/s    0/s       2157K 398.3M 33868K     0K     0K   1% gwibber-servic
[23:44] <adalal> hey, i dont seem to be able to use my mic
[23:44] <BUGabundo> even when forcing refreshs
[23:44] <BUGabundo> gwibber is now very light
[23:44] <adalal> Airells: generate entropy by running things in the background
[23:45] <RDJ> yes, when it doesn't crash it runs great
[23:45] <BUGabundo> as I said
[23:45] <BUGabundo> I don't remember seeing it crash
[23:45] <BUGabundo> end all gwibber stuff
[23:45] <BUGabundo> and then start it like this, RDJ
[23:45] <Airells> adalal i do it
[23:45] <Airells> watching film etc
[23:46] <Airells> doesnt help
[23:46] <BUGabundo> $ gwibber-service -d -o
[23:46] <BUGabundo> and after that stops, open a new tab and run
[23:46] <BUGabundo> $gwibber
[23:46] <BUGabundo> let me know if you get any traces or crashes
[23:47] <Airells> adalal it looks like some kind of bug , everytime the same amount of bytes ( 284 ) ubuntu 10.4 and kubuntu 10.4
[23:47] <RDJ> Am giving it a go
[23:49] <RDJ> seems to be ok now
[23:50] <RDJ> but I can point you to one of my bugs that I've uploaded to Launchpad
[23:50] <RDJ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/560092
[23:52] <adalal> anyone knows why i can't use my mic on my laptop?
[23:52] <dooglus> is there some way of having the system run a script when I resume from a suspended state?
[23:52] <dooglus> I've tried putting a script in /etc/apm/resume.d/ but it doesn't run
[23:56] <penguin42> ooh the installer in Beta2 is a lot prettier
[23:57] <neon__> any idea on how to get ati video card to properly work on lucid?
[23:57] <penguin42> neon__: Upgrade or fresh install?
[23:57] <neon__> fresh install
[23:58] <ZeroKewl> hi
[23:58] <ZeroKewl> can anyone help with installing Unreal3.2
[23:58] <neon__> i tried loading the drivers thru restricted drivers dialog but no luck