[20:59] <jussi01> o/
[21:00] <nhandler> IRCC Meeting time
[21:00] <nhandler> tsimpson, topyli, Pici, apachelogger?
[21:00] <topyli> i am here
[21:00]  * tsimpson is also here
[21:00] <apachelogger> o/
[21:00] <nhandler> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is nhandler.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:01] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:01] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Election of a chairman for the IRCC as per the approved charrter
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Election of a chairman for the IRCC as per the approved charrter
[21:01] <nhandler> jussi01: You added this item
[21:01] <jussi01> yes
[21:02] <nhandler> Care to talk about it?
[21:02] <jussi01> we need to add a chairman, nominations were on the background page, only I nominated, so perhaps a confirmation vote?
[21:02] <jussi01> Unless someone else wants to nominate now?
[21:03] <tsimpson> nah, let's just vote
[21:03] <jussi01> lets do it then.
[21:03] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should jussi01 serve as the IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter?
[21:03] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should jussi01 serve as the IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter?.
[21:03] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:03] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:03] <tsimpson> +1
[21:03] <MootBot> +1 received from tsimpson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:03] <topyli> +1
[21:03] <MootBot> +1 received from topyli. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:03] <nhandler> +1
[21:03] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:03] <jussi01> +0
[21:03] <MootBot> Abstention received from jussi01. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:04] <nhandler> #endvote
[21:04] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[21:04] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[21:04] <nhandler> [AGREED] jussi01 to serve as IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter
[21:04] <MootBot> AGREED received:  jussi01 to serve as IRCC chairman per the requirement in the IRCC Charter
[21:05] <nhandler> His term ends before the end of the year. We can deal with this when we get closer to that point
[21:05] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Request: Make the kubuntu-council team ops for all kubuntu channels
[21:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Request: Make the kubuntu-council team ops for all kubuntu channels
[21:05] <nhandler> apachelogger: Care to explain this a bit?
[21:05] <jussi01> I have no issues at all with this.
[21:06] <topyli> makes sense to me
[21:06] <apachelogger> the kubuntu-council are elected representees of the kubuntu members, currently as council member you would need ot apply for ops individually
[21:07] <nhandler> Hmm... tsimpson, correct me if I'm wrong, but once the script is done, wouldn't having the Kubuntu Council team being an admin of the various kubuntu channel op teams on LP allow them to add OPs?
[21:07] <apachelogger> which is a bit of a problem when no op is around
[21:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: do you want to create a kubuntucouncil nick or do you want each of your individual names on the list?
[21:07] <tsimpson> nhandler: yes, when the plugin is complete
[21:07] <nhandler> That would avoid the need to have a kubuntucouncil nick, and make it easy to update the access lists when the council changes
[21:07] <apachelogger> jussi01: I understand the fancy restructoring that is going on would allow the individual names to be on the list, if so then that would be preferred
[21:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok
[21:08] <apachelogger> drop people as they leave the lp team and add them as the get add
[21:08] <nhandler> tsimpson: What was the latest estimate on the script?
[21:08] <tsimpson> there's nothing stopping us from adding these nicks to the access list(s) now, so we don't need to wait for the plugin
[21:09] <jussi01> SO if I may rephrase, the KC council team to be added as an admin to the #kubuntu-* channels as admin (LP)
[21:09] <nhandler> tsimpson: But by doing that, they would be added individually, so the access list would not get updated when the kubuntu council LP team is updated
[21:09] <tsimpson> nhandler: there really isn't one, but it's progressing quite slowly right now. I'm attempting to get more people involved in it
[21:09] <jussi01> nhandler: we can apply changes on LP by hand
[21:09] <jussi01> its just a little manual work.
[21:10] <apachelogger> we can report member ship changes if that helps :)
[21:10] <nhandler> jussi01: It also makes it confusing to know who is an OP due to being on the council and who was already an op
[21:10] <apachelogger> it's not like things change that often though ^^
[21:10] <topyli> apachelogger, you referred to situations when no ops are around. this should never be he case, and if it is so, this issue should be fixed rather quickly
[21:10] <jussi01> nhandler: huh? not really as the council is admin, so therefore has +f. we can also just use templates <(
[21:11] <apachelogger> topyli: this was the case on April 3 or 2, someone was in a constant join-part loop for surely an hour or more
[21:11] <nhandler> jussi01: I was talking about if we were to simply add all the council members individually to the access list and lp team like I thought was suggested
[21:12] <nhandler> apachelogger: As a note, if no OPs are around, freenode staff are on the access lists and can help out
[21:12] <apachelogger> since I was around and am council member I found it a bit weird that I immediately couldnt do anything about it due to lack of op
[21:12] <jussi01> nhandler: read my rephrase again <(
[21:12] <topyli> apachelogger, makes this more urgent
[21:13] <jussi01> When we talked to the KC about this, we said that we would add them as admins to the LP group. this shouldnt be an issue.
[21:13] <tsimpson> the kubuntu-council really *should* have access anyway, and it's unfair to ask them to wait for us (me) to finish the ubottu plugin code for it
[21:14] <nhandler> What I would like to do is a) add the council as an admin on LP. b) Make a note about which members of the council already have OP access and in which channels. c) Add all Kubuntu council members as OPs in the channels. d) When the script is done, switch to using that
[21:14] <jussi01> nhandler: yes. but we should use templates so its easy to see.
[21:15] <tsimpson> only riddell already has op access afaics
[21:15] <tsimpson> compare https://edge.launchpad.net/~irc-kubuntu-ops/+members and https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council/+members
[21:15] <jussi01> I propose that KC members are give votriAf access. Or somehing similar. because of their admin satus
[21:16] <jussi01> tsimpson: this is devel and offtopic also
[21:16] <nhandler> jussi01: Is that the set of flags we are going to give all admins?
[21:16]  * ScottK thinks it was easier before.  Less bureacracy.
[21:17] <tsimpson> jussi01: none of the council are on those access lists either afaics
[21:17] <jussi01> ScottK: when things get their order and all is in place, this will be simple.
[21:17] <nhandler> ScottK: We are still working all of the kinks out of the process. It should become a lot easier in the coming months
[21:18] <ScottK> Probably should have been done before the new world order was imposed.
[21:20] <Tm_T> ScottK: which image(s) I should test, btw?
[21:20] <topyli> we were talking about getting the KC council to access lists though
[21:21] <nhandler> [VOTE] Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done
[21:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done.
[21:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:21] <tsimpson> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from tsimpson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:21] <nhandler> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:21] <topyli> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from topyli. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:21] <jussi01> +1
[21:21] <MootBot> +1 received from jussi01. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:22] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[21:22] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[21:22] <nhandler> [AGREED] Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council  already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done.
[21:22] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Add the Kubuntu Council team as an admin of all the kubuntu channel op teams on LP. Note which members of the council  already have OP access and in which channels. Add all Kubuntu Council members as OPs in the channels (+votiArf). Transition to using the script to manage this once it is done.
[21:22] <nhandler> Anyone want to action this? If not, I will.
[21:22] <jussi01> I can action this tomorrow
[21:22] <apachelogger> thanks everyone :)
[21:22] <jussi01> or you can nhandler whatever works.
[21:22] <nhandler> [ACTION] jussi01 to make the necessary changes on LP and IRC
[21:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jussi01 to make the necessary changes on LP and IRC
[21:23] <jussi01> ok
[21:23] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Any other Topics?
[21:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other Topics?
[21:23] <nhandler> Any other topics that need to be discussed?
[21:23] <jussi01> can I sleep now?
[21:23] <topyli> heh
[21:23] <topyli> jussi01, we can discuss that :)
[21:24] <tsimpson> we should vote ;)
[21:24] <jussi01> ACTION jussi01 to go to sleep
[21:24] <nhandler> If not, does someone want to handle minutes and stuff like that? I can if not
[21:24] <jussi01> nhandler: chairmans rsponsibility
[21:24] <tsimpson> just don't forget to #endmeeting
[21:25] <jussi01> yeah lol
[21:25] <nhandler> jussi01: Not necessarily ;) If someone else wants to do it, I like to ask
[21:25] <jussi01> hehe, fair enough
[21:25]  * nhandler notes that jussi01 is the chairman, nhandler is just chairing the meeting
[21:25] <jussi01> nhandler: sssh
[21:25] <jussi01> lol
[21:25] <nhandler> [ACTION] nhandler to handle minutes and stuff like that
[21:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to handle minutes and stuff like that
[21:25] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[21:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:25.
[21:26] <jussi01> doh... I was going to add 'all the time' there
[21:26] <jussi01> :D
[21:26] <jussi01> nini
[21:26] <topyli> ok, thanks guys