[00:09] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, are hyrbid graphics laptops supported at all? do they work?
[00:14] <zombie0> I am having graphics issues on my laptop using a hybrid nvidia g210m and onboard intel.  After a recent update to 10.04 my video has stopped work
[00:14] <zombie0> *working
[00:14] <zombie0> After selecting an image in grub it goes to a blank screen and thats as far as I can get
[00:16] <bjsnider> zombie0, you had working compiz off the livecd?
[00:16] <zombie0> well I just booted the live cd
[00:17] <zombie0> let me see
[00:17] <zombie0> bjsnider yep working compiz with live cd
[00:17] <zombie0> not using propriatery drivers
[00:17] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: totally depends on the laptop
[00:17] <bjsnider> open a terminal and run glxinfo
[00:18] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, have you got a list or something?
[00:19] <zombie0> mesa-utils isnt installed and its saying that it isnt available
[00:19] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, does it depend on his ability to shut one chip off manually int he bios?
[00:20] <bjsnider> zombie0, have you got a network connection to the web on that laptop?
[00:20] <zombie0> I am setting a hardline up now
[00:21] <zombie0> bjsnider: Ok have a connection but should I update/upgrade?  because it still cant find it as of now
[00:21] <zombie0> let me check if universe is enabled
[00:22] <zombie0> it wasnt
[00:22] <zombie0> got it now
[00:23] <bjsnider> i want to know who the renderer is
[00:24] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: you have to dig through https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/312756?comments=all :) its really complicated by how its done different between different GPU combinations and different manufacturers (and bios revisions even..) 
[00:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 312756 in xorg-server "support graphics card hot switch" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[00:25] <zombie0> pastebin.com/mUrqvZNG
[00:25] <Sarvatt> he's using the intel if compiz works on a livecd
[00:25] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, didn't dave airlie just write the first code to deal with this?
[00:25] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, must be, yes
[00:26] <zombie0> Mobile Intel GM45
[00:26] <bjsnider> if he could just get it to do that exery time he'd be fine
[00:26] <zombie0> yea maybe add a xorg.conf entry for that driver instead
[00:27] <bjsnider> you might have to blacklist nouveau, nv and nvidia too
[00:27] <zombie0> not really sure how to do that
[00:27] <bjsnider> but it could still decide to use vesa with the nvidia chip
[00:27] <Sarvatt> zombie0: did you install the proprietary drivers or something?
[00:27] <zombie0> I didnt try to but I have a feeling on of the updates attempted to
[00:28] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, without nvidia-current it selects nouveau
[00:28] <bjsnider> because he has no glx
[00:28] <bjsnider> and he doesn't have a manual switch in the bios
[00:29] <bjsnider> the fact that the hardware is sending power to the nvidia chip is the problem. the kernel sees it and watns to use it
[00:31] <bjsnider> maybe the laptop only uses the intel chip if you're booting off the cd instead of the hard drive
[00:34] <zombie0> so would it be worth trying to blacklist those other types of drivers?
[00:42] <zombie0> well I can now get regular video on boot by using driver "intel" with xorg.conf
[00:43] <zombie0> but no glx
[00:48] <zombie0> uninstalled nvidia-current and nouveau and now its picking up the intel glx
[00:51] <zombie0> all good, reboots with glx enabled
[00:53] <zombie0> bjsnider and Sarvatt:  thanks alot for the help guys!  really needed it.  Have a great night and a beer on me :)
[00:54] <Sarvatt> ahh sorry, went afk there but it did sound like that was the problem, jockey probably saw the device and offered it when its not the graphics device in use
[01:06] <bjsnider> where's my beer?
[01:06] <bjsnider> what happens when the hardware decides to switch to nvidia?
[01:28] <RAOF> bjsnider: Then we ask him to test 2.6.34, where VGA switcheroo is implemented.
[01:29] <bjsnider> RAOF, that's the airlie code?
[01:29] <RAOF> bjsnider: Yeah.  ACPI methods to switch graphics cards.
[01:30] <bjsnider> i'm not sure xorg/mesa is prepared for that
[01:32] <johanbr> last I heard, it required restarting X
[01:50] <ripps> hmm.... I think my Xorg became very slow after a save-file dialog in my browser. Perhaps that's what's causing the Xorg high cpu usage. Is there a program associated with open-save dialog windows?
[01:57] <Sarvatt> ripps: gtk+
[01:57] <Sarvatt> ripps: are you using chromium by any chance? :D
[03:05] <ripps> Sarvatt: sorry, I was away from computer. Yes, I'm using chromium
[03:06] <ripps> But the Xorg cpu usage persists even after I've closed chromium
[03:29] <Sarvatt> hmm, our cairo pad patch is slightly different than what other distros are using - http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/cairo/cairo-1.8.6-repeat-modes.patch?view=markup
[03:29] <Sarvatt> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/cairo/lucid/annotate/head:/debian/patches/06_Xlib-Xcb-Hand-off-EXTEND_PAD-to-XRender.patch
[04:13] <Sarvatt> wooo, mass X lib update
[08:30]  * hyperair wonders whether the nvidia binary drivers are working in lucid yet
[08:50] <tjaalton> just fine
[09:13] <RAOF> Have been working for some time.
[09:18] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Hm, yeah.  We should probably grab that change for Maverick.  It looks like it will expose some untested driver paths if we grab it now.  Also, firefox is now bundlezilla, so won't benefit.
[17:35] <Sarvatt> RAOF: any ideas on what to do about nouveau in edgers? i'd like to drop lbm since i cant keep it updated and make it require a 2.6.34 kernel somehow
[17:35] <Sarvatt> wish I could copy the mainline kernels directly into the PPA :D
[17:36] <johanbr> actually, why not?
[17:38] <Sarvatt> why not what?
[17:38] <johanbr> put the mainline kernels into the PPA
[17:40] <Sarvatt> because they are built with external scripts i cant do in a ppa I believe? i haven't had time to work this out
[17:42] <Sarvatt> i dont know how to bump the abi properly for a PPA kernel
[17:43] <johanbr> oh
[17:51] <Sarvatt> i dont use it and have a lot of other things taking up my time, and nouveau in edgers is stagnating because i havent been able to update it in almost a month (outside of mesa) because we can't update lbm-nouveau due to the backlight changes in 2.6.34 that upstream rebased onto
[17:56] <johanbr> well, maybe the easiest thing is just to wait until the first lucid+1 kernel is released
[17:57] <Sarvatt> it already is, i could copy it in there
[17:57] <Sarvatt> but it'd be a lot more useful to be able to merge upstream nouveau into it
[18:01] <johanbr> oh, I didn't realize it was already out...
[18:03] <Sarvatt> oh man, so many compiz fixes upstream since our version :(
[18:13] <Sarvatt> bryceh: driconf options would be good to have added to mesa bug reports
[18:43] <Sarvatt> hmm doesn't look like fglrx is getting removed properly upgrading from hardy-lucid on the cards that fglrx no longer supports
[18:57] <Sarvatt> maybe it'd be a good idea to just completely remove fglrx on upgrade and people can install it manually again after
[19:05] <johanbr> wouldn't that break some setups?
[19:05] <johanbr> say you specify fglrx in xorg.conf, and then fglrx is removed
[19:41] <tjaalton> update-manager could take care of that. the same thing happens with nvidia aiui