[03:02] <rofl0r> i need help, my X doesnt start any more
[03:02] <rofl0r> i get a background screen and mouse cursor, but not the login dialog
[03:03] <rofl0r>  the xorg.log doesnt provide any clues
[03:03] <rofl0r> can i somehow disable automatic X start
[03:03] <rofl0r> so that i could login to TTY7 in the console
[03:03] <rofl0r> and then start x
[03:04] <rofl0r> i tried removing the xorg package but that doesnt help
[03:09] <psycho_oreos> sounds like you explicity implied starting xorg, and not by gdm/kdm
[03:11] <rofl0r> since the login dialog is not coming i guess the problem is coming from there
[03:12] <rofl0r> so it may work if i login on tty7 first, and then launch X manually
[03:12] <psycho_oreos> and I think the last time I did this, startx won't invoke starting xfce
[03:12] <rofl0r> so what would you propose ?
[03:12] <psycho_oreos> why don't you simply get gdm?
[03:13] <rofl0r> aint that installed by default ?
[03:13] <psycho_oreos> its supposed to be
[03:13] <psycho_oreos> which version is this?
[03:13] <rofl0r> xubuntu 9.10
[03:13] <psycho_oreos> clean install?
[03:14] <rofl0r> pretty... i used it like just 2 weeks
[03:14] <psycho_oreos> and all of the sudden you lost gdm?
[03:14] <rofl0r> well, my pc became really slow today, swapping around all the time so i rebooted
[03:15] <rofl0r> it was up since more than a week
[03:15] <psycho_oreos> though I'm sure that wouldn't have any influence over losing gdm, unless you messed with stuff like install/uninstalling various stuff
[03:15] <rofl0r> and now the login dialog is missing, instead i can only move the cursor on an empty screen
[03:16] <rofl0r> well i installed some dev libraries
[03:16] <psycho_oreos> what happens if you invoke startxfce?
[03:16] <rofl0r> Server is already active for display 0
[03:17] <rofl0r> when i pkill -9 Xorg, it will immediately start X again
[03:17] <psycho_oreos> that's caused by init reloading
[03:17] <rofl0r> how could i disable that ?
[03:18] <psycho_oreos> I only know of a nasty hack, change the runlevel
[03:18] <rofl0r> i tried entering "runlevel 3", but i got: command not found
[03:19] <psycho_oreos> no its init 3
[03:19] <rofl0r> ah, ok
[03:20] <rofl0r> i did it, but the screen is still there on tty7
[03:20] <psycho_oreos> try init 4
[03:25] <rofl_> init 4 killed my keyboard
[03:26] <rofl_> surfing with links...yeehaw
[05:29] <opm595> Howdy! Just completed a fresh install of 9.10 on an old spare pc I had lying about. All's well but can only get my panels to load from a terminal (ie: sudo xfce4-panel), to which they die once I exit the console. Anyone no how I can sort this?
[05:46] <psycho_oreos> opm595, you could add an applet called verve command line and run the same command there
[05:54] <psycho_oreos> opm595, did you get my last message?
[05:54] <opm595> Yep, thanx psycho_oreos. All good
[05:55] <psycho_oreos> opm595, no worries
[05:55] <opm595> Just ran with it saved my seesion and sudo reboot. Got my pannels  - Cheers!
[05:56] <psycho_oreos> weird how you don't have panels at the beginning but oh well
[06:01] <opm595> Not sure what happened. I only just installed on this system 2 days ago from an Alt CD, so maybe I opted the panels out or something when I installed. Anyway, all cool now and thanx for your input.
[06:02] <psycho_oreos> :)
[07:05] <Balsaq> good morning Xubuntu.
[09:52] <PrebenR> how do I set up which programs are default programs? I mean thunar for filemanagement, claws-mail for email etc... I'm getting tired of that firefox f.ex changes program if I install something new. It was using thunar, but now it uses easytag for some insane reason
[09:52] <PrebenR> is it .mailcap which one can rely on?
[09:53] <Sysi> some programs are in menu → settings → default applications
[09:56] <PrebenR> only web, email and terminal
[09:57] <PrebenR> /etc/mailcap doesn't seem to contain thunar at all. Any idea how I can get firefox to use it. Preferably by not messing in about:config
[13:08] <jarnos> Lucid asks me to write down or print the disk encryption password, but the "run this action now" function does not work. Where is the encrypted password?
[13:08] <bazhang> !lucid
[13:13] <jarnos> BTW, I had the exactly same problem in Jaunty, IIRC.
[13:21] <TheSheep> I think it also tells you how you can get it later, and you can use that command
[13:39] <opm595> Hey, here's a trival, and somewhat un-shaded technical question for the channel: The Xfce logo; Rat or Mouse?
[13:49] <psycho_oreos> does it really matter?
[13:51] <TheSheep> mouse
[13:52] <bazhang> ferret
[14:02] <opm595> Does it matter? No, not really. Although having one of those impartial discussions with a friend of mine (sitting right next to me), where two conflicting views are via a monetary chalenge.
[14:02] <opm595> Ferret? Crickey - that'll throw everything out  :)
[15:36] <philip_>  is this the help channel? Or am I far off? :s
[15:36] <Sysi> for xubuntu, yes
[15:37] <philip_> kk, is there any rouls, how you ask your questions or can I just speak free right out here? btw I'm knew too both linux and IRC :-)
[15:38] <Sysi> just ask pretty much
[15:38] <Sysi> !guidelines
[15:40] <philip_> ok thx
[15:42] <philip_> I installed xubuntu yesterday, and I think it went well, but this morning when I logged on to my laptop the ''startmenu'' don't know what it's called in xubuntu were missing. How do I get it back?
[15:44] <TheSheep> !panels
[15:45] <Sysi> (that's TOO common problem, almost everyone see it)
[15:45] <philip_> thx :-)
[16:53] <dbdii407> Where are the gtk themes found on the system?
[16:53] <knome> dbdii407, /usr/share/themes, but if you want to add your own, add them in ~/.themes
[16:54] <dbdii407> Well, I don't have xUbuntu. I need my friend to tar the ones that xUbuntu comes with
[16:54] <dbdii407> So... yea.
[16:54] <dbdii407> I use Arch. :x
[16:54] <knome> dbdii407, you could see the package xubuntu-artwork and extract the themes
[16:55] <knome> ...iirc the package name
[16:55] <dbdii407> [dbdii407@myhost Desktop]$ pacman -Ss xubuntu-artwork
[16:55] <dbdii407> [dbdii407@myhost Desktop]$
[16:56] <knome> btw, albatross is the default theme if you're wondering, and that's available as non-ubuntu package as well
[16:57] <knome> dbdii407, http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xubuntu-artwork
[16:57] <knome> dbdii407, you can download the package directly from the right panel
[16:58] <dbdii407> You do know I don't use xUbuntu right?
[16:59] <Sysi> http://shimmerproject.org/projects/albatross/ that and xfce-default-themes or something
[17:00] <knome> dbdii407, YES. please load the website and see the right panel, where you have a .tar.gz download for any distribution.
[17:05] <dbdii407> knome, Okay then, So what about the icons?
[17:06] <knome> dbdii407, the icon set is elementary, and its xubuntu-modified version is also in the package.
[17:12] <dbdii407> knome, I'm still unsure on how to recieve these files and where to place them
[17:14] <knome> dbdii407, i don't know where you have to put them in arch. you'll have to ask that in #arch or something. to download, load the url i pasted you and click the "xubuntu-artwork_0.38.tar.gz" text in the right.
[17:20] <dbdii407> Well, I put it in the same folder with the other themes, activated it, and nothing changed
[17:20] <dbdii407> :x
[17:23] <knome> this is not an arch support channel.
[17:23] <dbdii407> Yes I know this knome. I'm just saying what happened. Didn't want to see a responce
[17:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello guys! :-)
[20:45] <slow-motion> hi
[23:12] <Benkinooby> hi, i am googling for some time now, but i cant find out how to change my default file manager. i want dolphin to be superior voer thunar.in everything
[23:19] <Benkinooby> anyone?
[23:19] <mertle> because everytime you opendolphin in xfce the kde libs would have to be loaded it would slow thee system down considerably and that kind of defeats the purpose of using a light dm in the first place
[23:20] <vinnl> That doesn't mean you shouldn't be free to choose that
[23:20] <mertle> so it's not something a lot of folk would have done...
[23:20] <vinnl> I just don't know how to :)
[23:20] <mertle> of course vinnl
[23:20] <mertle> I'm looking in .config atm
[23:21] <vinnl> It kind of bugs me as well, I wish I'd be able to use Thunar under GNOME but I can't :(
[23:21] <vinnl> *don't know how to
[23:24] <Benkinooby> vinni: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[23:25] <Benkinooby> vinnl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager this is a howto to make thunar the default file manager. in the end it is just a script. maybe there is a better method, but this seems to be quite good. it also allows you to go back to your former FM.
[23:26] <vinnl> Benkinooby, ah great, thanks :)
[23:27] <Benkinooby> mertle: hi... again ;) i saw may webistes where people asked the same question like i do ..iwthout luck.. i start missing the configurability of kde again :( (kde has a own settings-window for choosing the preferred fm)
[23:27] <Benkinooby> vinnl: np... found it on my serach for making dolphin the default fm in xfce ;)
[23:27] <vinnl> Haha
[23:27] <mertle> Benkinooby: in the settings manager - prefferred apps   can you change the default file manager?
[23:28] <Benkinooby> mertle: this is only for browsing and mail clients and terminals.... nothing about fm.... i allrdy checked it
[23:28] <mertle> k
[23:29] <vinnl> Perhaps there's an xfconf preference?
[23:29] <mertle> I'm sure there is an   EXPORT   command for it
[23:29] <mertle> xfconf sounds like the ticket
[23:32] <hasenj> hi
[23:33] <hasenj> anyone here?
[23:33] <mertle> hello hasenj :)
[23:33] <hasenj> hey mertle :)
[23:34] <mertle> Benkinooby: does man xfconf give a clue?
[23:34] <hasenj> I upgraded yesterday to lucid beta 2 (through the update-manager -d)
[23:34]  * vinnl sees no clues in defined xfconf settings
[23:34] <hasenj> and I got a few issues
[23:35] <vinnl> The Xfce wiki might help out
[23:35] <hasenj> I have two xfce sessions now, one is called xfce, the other is called xubuntu
[23:35] <hasenj> xubuntu doesn't have internet
[23:35] <Benkinooby> i got something
[23:35] <hasenj> there's no network manager
[23:35] <Benkinooby> seems this is the best solution... just set the link of thunar to my preferd fm
[23:35] <mertle> google doesn't help - I like thunar and I guess most others do to
[23:36] <hasenj> the session named "xfce" is weird in a lot of ways
[23:36] <hasenj> yesterday it has issues with some panel plugins
[23:36] <mertle> hasenj: what does   ifconfig   in the terminal return in the xubuntu session?
[23:37] <hasenj> hmm
[23:37] <hasenj> didn't try that
[23:37] <hasenj> but I tried sudo NetworkManager
[23:37] <hasenj> it said it's already running
[23:37] <hasenj> so I tried to pkill it
[23:38] <mertle> hasenj: if it's running things should be set up in some way
[23:38] <hasenj> well, I'm logged in from gnome now
[23:38] <hasenj> so I have to logout and back to xubuntu
[23:38] <mertle> hasenj: k
[23:38] <hasenj> anything I should be looking for in the ifconfig?
[23:39] <mertle> hasenj: it's ethernet? - lines about eth0 then
[23:39] <hasenj> it's wireless
[23:39] <hasenj> I'm not sure if that's the same as ethernet :)
[23:41] <hasenj> but I mean, what values should I be looking for?
[23:41] <hasenj> because, u know, I'm not gonna have internet for a while
[23:42] <mertle> I know nothing about wireless hasenj - I don't use it - this might give a clue
[23:42] <mertle> !wifi
[23:55] <hasenj> hm
[23:55] <hasenj> it's weird
[23:55] <hasenj> all I had to do was launch `nm-applet`
[23:55] <mertle> hasenj: it's all good? yah!
[23:56] <hasenj> yea I'm on xfce
[23:56] <hasenj> the other wierd (related) thing that happened after the upgrade
[23:56] <hasenj> the autostartup list shrank so much
[23:57] <hasenj> in the "session and startup" dialoge
[23:57] <hasenj> you know where the list comes from (e.g. which config file)
[23:57] <hasenj> or how I can find out?
[23:57] <mertle> hasenj: you're free to add to that - seems stange it shrunk tho - is it lucid you're using?
[23:58] <hasenj> yea like I said, I upgraded to lucid (beta 2, I assume) yesterday
[23:58] <hasenj> thru update-manager -d
[23:59] <hasenj> yea I added to it
[23:59] <hasenj> but I want to compare it with my old list
[23:59] <hasenj> e.g. if they're in text files that are tied to the session