| billytwowilly | I'm thinking about helping test out beta 2. Anyone experiencing any show stopper bugs? the system I'm going to upgrade would be annoying to break, but not catastrophic. | 00:18 |
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| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: I think the difference was in the logo's K... | 01:11 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: I had to strip the widgets out to get the size down. I geuss we can play with it and see what fits. | 01:13 |
| ScottK | Thanks for testing. | 01:13 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: np, should I try something specifically or is it enough that "it works" ? | 01:14 |
| ScottK | That's great news. I've no idea. | 01:15 |
| * ScottK doesn't know the last time we had a working powerpc live CD. | 01:15 | |
| ScottK | NCommander: ^^^ working powerpc live CD. | 01:15 |
| NCommander | NICE! | 01:15 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: heh, glad I had more ram now, with 256 MiB livecd wouldn't work well | 01:16 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: the one there before had the new K | 01:27 |
| ScottK | Is showdesktop part of plasma-widgets-addons? | 01:28 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Do you still have your live session up? | 01:32 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: yes | 01:32 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Thanks. | 01:32 |
| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: Ah, OK | 01:34 |
| ScottK | And what's the package for the microblog thing? | 01:34 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: addons as well | 01:34 |
| ScottK | Ah. Cool | 01:34 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: yes | 01:35 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Could you install plasma-widgets-addons in your live session and give me a list of the packages it pulls in? | 01:35 |
| Tm_T | sure | 01:35 |
| ScottK | I think we have enough room to add what we need to fix those errors, but I want to check. | 01:36 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: plasma-widgets-addons and plasma-dataengines-addons, 1,232 kB to download, 6,017 kB to be used | 01:39 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Thanks. | 01:39 |
| ScottK | That should fit. | 01:40 |
| * ScottK fixes. | 01:40 | |
| JontheEchidna | man, where's Riddell? | 01:49 |
| ScottK | I know he was off work on Friday. | 01:52 |
| ScottK | Beyond that, dunno. | 01:52 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 560411:( | 01:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560411 in pkg-kde-tools "Desktop translations not pulled for desktop-extragear-multimedia_k3b" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560411 | 01:55 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: at the risk of your coronary health^ | 01:55 |
| swien | Hi, I've got some problems with the nvidia driver and kubuntu beta. NVidia-Settings is not working an compositing cannot be activated. Is there a known bug about this? | 02:53 |
| lex79 | ScottK: bug 545686 | 02:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 545686 in kvpnc "[FFe] Please sync kvpnc 0.9.6-1 from Debian testing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545686 | 02:57 |
| lex79 | it fixes 4 bugs in LP | 02:58 |
| ScottK | lex79: Already approved. | 03:36 |
| lex79 | thanks | 03:36 |
| ScottK | yw. | 03:37 |
| imbrandon | evening all | 03:49 |
| ScottK | Heya imbrandon. | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | heya | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | late night, get to install the daily build a few times , lol | 03:50 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Did you see the call for testing on kubuntu-devel ml? | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | i so need a sysprep like tool for ubuntu/kubuntu | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | ScottK, yup, dl'ing that image now | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | i needed to install it on a few boxzen anyhow , so why not test right ? | 03:51 |
| ScottK | Great. Absolutely. | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | brb gonna refill my coffee | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | back, sooooo how ya been ScottK , lookin busy | 03:53 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:53 |
| ScottK | Release is looking pretty good, but more bugs to fix. | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | yea i noticed a few on the ML, maybe i can poke one or two this week, i have lots of free time i think ( i'm between having quit my job and opening my own store ) | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | thus loading kubuntu on a few boxes ( i'm offering ubuntu/kubuntu installed and supported on my refurb'd hardware ) | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | you know opening a retail shop is a PITA, lol | 03:56 |
| ScottK | Yeah, it sure is. | 03:57 |
| * ScottK has two teenagers working in retail at the moment (not for me fortunately) and one of them is at a new store. | 03:57 | |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | i just hoping the linux option on the hardware will overtake the windows one' | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | less support headache imho | 03:59 |
| ScottK | Got time to test a patch then? | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | right now its only about 20% ( linux ) and the rest opt for win32/64, but thats online only ( craigslist / ebay ) i'm hoping the retail part will give them a way to "touch it" | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | sure | 04:00 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: It's attached to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222110 | 04:00 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 222110 in kcm_randr "Revert the change in display not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | k will do as soon as this frist install finishes | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | is that against the latest ? | 04:01 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | k | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | should be about ~20 min or so | 04:01 |
| ScottK | Actually I don't know for sure if debfx did the patch against our 4.4.2 or KDE Trunk. | 04:01 |
| ScottK | Either way that code isn't touched much, it should apply fine. | 04:01 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | no worries, i can figure that aprt, just makin sure it wasent a version or two back | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | part* | 04:02 |
| ScottK | Nope. Patch was just done today. | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | k | 04:02 |
| ScottK | That's one of the worst unfixed bugs I know of. | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:02 |
| ScottK | It'll be good to get that in. | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | ohhh i got an actual laptop/tablet i can test that on too for a "real world test" | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | nice | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | one with the flippy screen thing | 04:03 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Are you doing anything with netbooks? | 04:04 |
| ScottK | You know we've got a Kubuntu Netbook variant now? | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | only the dell mini 9's and the "7 in mini notebooks" from china ( unbranded 400mhz arm's ) | 04:05 |
| ScottK | We have armel images that need testing .... | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | yea i seen it, on the dell's i've been going with full distro, the 7 inches would be awesom | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | if i could get netbook remix to qwork on em | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | ( only have 3 for testing atm untill i could get sometingh "solid" to work on em besides winCE 6 ) | 04:06 |
| ScottK | Try netbook. The plasma netbook U/I is a lot smarter on small screens. | 04:06 |
| imbrandon | yea i was actualy looking for the arm port today, its kinda funky because it dont have a bios or efi of anykind that i can see | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | thus no acpi etc | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | kinda funky | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | but they are CHEAP so i bought a few and gonna give em a try | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | like $57 if i buy em in builk ( $75 each as one off's ) | 04:07 |
| ScottK | Well we have it for i386 for the Dells too. | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | yea i put it on the dell's when it was still early, cant get ppl to order them that way, like i said hopefully the retail when they can "touch" them will make the sale easier | 04:08 |
| ScottK | I've shown Kubuntu Netbook to some pretty hard core Windows fanbois and gotten "I want" as a response. | 04:10 |
| ScottK | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-i386.iso | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | ScottK, here is the exact specs on the arm ones ( this is not my retail shop but it lists the specs ) | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | http://www.yallstore.com/new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd-black-p-39108.html | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | cool part is when i order 20 or more i can have the cases branded and colored too :) | 04:12 |
| ScottK | Nice. | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | definately not a top of the line machine, but i can pump em out the door with linux for $100 they should sell well | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | those dells are sweet though, i'll have to give the net remix another shot on them | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | atm they ship with win7 starter, and thats ..... unfortunate imho | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | hrm, we really need a sysprep tool | 04:16 |
| imbrandon | maybe i'll scratch that itch later | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | brb , gonna finish that install and grab the patch | 04:17 |
| ScottK | Great. | 04:17 |
| * ScottK was thinking to upload to his PPA for testing, but his fingers have typed dput ubuntu too many times. | 04:20 | |
| ScottK | Fortunately they are also fast with ctrl-c. | 04:20 |
| imbrandon | ScottK, other things takin a bit longer than i thought but i will get to that patch tonight ( brb gonna reboot ) | 05:14 |
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| delight_ | in 9.10 there was a possibility to swith the notification system to a nice pop-up style http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/enabling-ayatana-notifications-in-kubuntu-9-10/ .. is this gonna come to lucid again ? | 08:21 |
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| imbrandon | ScottK: ping | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | that kcm_randr bug is tested , fixed , pushed to my ppa and the offical bzr branch for the package | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | me or someone else can upload it to the archive when ready, just wanset sure if there were more planed changes going into that package or not | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | ( probably not as late in the cycle as it is ) | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: bzr is here lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/ | 09:42 |
| apparle | I get this while compiling a source "./configure: line 3976: smr_WITH_BUILD_PATH: command not found" what to do? | 09:42 |
| apparle | Guys I am banned in kubuntu why is it so? | 10:17 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: Happy Birthday! | 10:30 |
| * apachelogger throws up on bug 560411 | 11:14 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560411 in pkg-kde-tools "Desktop translations not pulled for desktop-extragear-multimedia_k3b" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560411 | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | OH | 11:17 |
| apachelogger | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 11:17 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | madness | 11:18 |
| imbrandon | apachelogger: lol | 11:19 |
| debfx | is system settings supposed to be in the "Computer" menu? | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | imbrandon: oh hai o/ | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | debfx: yes | 11:22 |
| apachelogger | debfx: where else would it be? | 11:22 |
| debfx | apachelogger: in Applications->Settings | 11:23 |
| debfx | apachelogger: it's always in Applications->Settings but only sometimes in Computer | 11:24 |
| debfx | i've noticed that on both of my kubuntu installations | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | debfx: actually we never wanted it in settings | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | and latest kubuntu-default-settings takes care of getting rid of it from there once and for all | 11:32 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100411103226-pnzw1fy923322o7y kdebase-workspace/debian/changelog: releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu9 | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | debfx: that somtiems in computer seems to be a bug though | 11:32 |
| debfx | apachelogger: the Computer menu sometimes looks like this: http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7573/snapshot1qf.png | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | not the first time I heared that it is at times disappearing from the computer tab, no clue why | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | that seems to ba rather old vm anyway, judging from the menu pic | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | debfx: it is weird though, we inject the menu entries there via kickoffrc in kubuntu-default-setitngs which IIRC should be 100% equal to patching the source | 11:34 |
| apachelogger | maybe config reading fails or something | 11:34 |
| debfx | really strange, sometimes system settings is missing, sometimes kpackagekit and sometimes both | 11:38 |
| apachelogger | ohh | 11:38 |
| apachelogger | that either-or sounds more like a bug in the model | 11:39 |
| apachelogger | that jung get read all at once, so it can only have to do with the model or the ui itself | 11:39 |
| apachelogger | s/jung/junk ^^ | 11:39 |
| imbrandon | hrm, i might try to tackle bug# 19767 after some sleep today | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | maybe , lulz | 11:41 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100411104510-gea4mprpd42knqqn kde-l10n-common/debian/ (changelog rules): | 11:45 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: * Comment debian/rules a bit more. | 11:45 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: * Make sure extragear and playground desktop files are coming from trunk, | 11:45 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: we need a more sensible approach to this though (LP: #560411) | 11:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560411 in pkg-kde-tools "Desktop translations not pulled for desktop-extragear-multimedia_k3b" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560411 | 11:45 |
| shadeslayer | any idea what im doing wrong here : | 12:04 |
| shadeslayer | http://pastebin.com/GbRpYCL6 | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: bug 19767 | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 19767 in kdebase-runtime "Kde help search fails too quietly if htdig is not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19767 | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | imbrandon: I am not sure it is worth the time, KHC is broken by design and should be rewritten altogether | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgphoto2-2-dev (>= 2.4) libkipi7-dev libkexiv2-8-dev libkdcraw8-dev liblcms1-dev libtiff4-dev liblqr-1-0-dev libjasper-dev liblensfun-dev libmarble-dev libsqlite3-dev | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | you need them packaeges installed | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | yea but i'm thinking just to disable the search tab like on windows | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | cuz it effects 3 and 4 right ? | 12:06 |
| shadeslayer | i think oh my | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | I'd remove it/hide it | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | yea | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: oh, no, hold on | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | wouldnt debuild -S -sa only build the source? | 12:06 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i think youre right :P | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | ah | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | ^^^ | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yeah, install those packages | 12:07 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 12:07 |
| * apachelogger didnt see that debuild was invoked ^^ | 12:07 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you rproblem is that a patch fails to apply | 12:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh wait! | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file utilities/imageeditor/canvas/colorcorrectiondlg.cpp.rej | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL="C" LANG="C" patch -s -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/10_kdesvn_r1064789_fix_editor_crash.diff/ gave error exit status 1 | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b digikam-1.2.0 gave error exit status 2 | 12:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: just read to line 55 | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | or at least that change cannot be reverted, wherever the change is coming from ^^ | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | if svn was any slower... | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: so the problem is the patch right? | 12:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: btw digikam was not converted to source 3.0 format in the repo ;) | 12:10 |
| apachelogger | if debian did not convert then we shouldnt either | 12:10 |
| shadeslayer | ohh.. ok | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | my guess is that 10_kdesvn_r1064789_fix_editor_crash.diff (since it originated in upstream SVN) is applied to the source, hence additional applying fails | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | this is also why quilt whines about reveserd patch... reversed patch in most cases == already applied patch | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: so i remove the patch right? | 12:12 |
| * apachelogger gets annoyed by rekonqs buggyness and switcht o konqueror with webkitkde | 12:12 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you investigate if what I said is true ;) | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | and if it is you remove the patch | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh ok | 12:13 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: which version of rekonq? | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | 0.4 | 12:14 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh.. well im on git version and it works like a charm :) | 12:15 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: btw red in kompare means deleted lines right: | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | earlier it ate my X | 12:15 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what! | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I dunno, I dont use kompare, but usually red means deleted, yes ;) | 12:16 |
| shadeslayer | the lines are still there | 12:16 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the patch hasnt beed applied | 12:18 |
| shadeslayer | *been | 12:20 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: btw any ideas on what might be wrong? | 12:36 |
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| * apachelogger is picking fihgts again | 12:38 | |
| apachelogger | evilshadeslayer: sure, if parts of the patch were applied, it would still fail to apply | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | you will have to look at hunk1 specifically | 12:39 |
| evilshadeslayer | the first patch you mean... | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | evilshadeslayer: btw, you know that neversfelde has a digikam 1.2 package uploaded? | 12:40 |
| evilshadeslayer | oh my.. | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | evilshadeslayer: no, hunk 1 of the patch | 12:40 |
| evilshadeslayer | oh ok | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | the first part | 12:40 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: where is the new version? | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | that marks a hunk | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | then comes the patch content | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | and then another linke like the one above might be, with different numbers, marking the second hunk | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | evilshadeslayer: backports PPA | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | evilshadeslayer: we didnt want to upload to lucid at this stage without making sure everyone is fine with that | 12:41 |
| evilshadeslayer | ah ok :D | 12:41 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: this was reported a few mins ago : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/560576 | 12:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560576 in digikam "New upstream version digikam 1.2.0" [Undecided,Fix released] | 12:43 |
| evilshadeslayer | i just changed it to fix released :) | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: you should probably drop a news on kubuntu.org | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | markey: haha, that ccfinder tool is written in python, no wonder it only works on ubuntu lunix ;) | 12:45 |
| markey | heh | 12:45 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: btw is KDE plannig a new panel in 4.5 | 12:45 |
| evilshadeslayer | ? | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | dont think so | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | if you a refering to the buzz on identi.ca as I understand it, they are just adding a default layout to the pnale | 12:46 |
| evilshadeslayer | hmm.. i heard it on identi.ca .. | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | so when you add a panel it will come with default widgets instead of emptyness | 12:46 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: ohhh... | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | that is how I understand it anyway ... one never knows what the plasma devs mean :P | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | they are like me when I start talking about maths ^^ | 12:47 |
| evilshadeslayer | hehe | 12:48 |
| Mamarok | hm, which was the first Kubuntu release again? I only remember having built KDE on top of Ubuntu, but which was the first Kubuntu release? | 12:49 |
| evilshadeslayer | Mamarok: i think it was 7.04 | 12:49 |
| evilshadeslayer | i still have the CD's from that release :P | 12:49 |
| evilshadeslayer | Mamarok: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/KubuntuKDE4 | 12:50 |
| Mamarok | evilshadeslayer: no, I think rather 6.06 | 12:50 |
| evilshadeslayer | hehe... | 12:50 |
| Mamarok | Dapper Drake IIRC | 12:50 |
| Mamarok | but not so sure | 12:50 |
| evilshadeslayer | Mamarok: hmm.. | 12:50 |
| evilshadeslayer | idk :) | 12:50 |
| Mamarok | wrong again, it must have been Breezy | 12:51 |
| Mamarok | 5.10 | 12:51 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: do you remember? | 12:51 |
| Mamarok | found it: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.04/ | 12:51 |
| Mamarok | 5 years of Kubuntu then :) | 12:52 |
| evilshadeslayer | Mamarok: cool! | 12:52 |
| Mamarok | apparently I did build KDE on top of Warty for the first time, found a very old blog entry in my archives... | 12:52 |
| * evilshadeslayer checks for his results | 12:54 | |
| apachelogger | for warty there were only "3rd party kde packges" with 5.04 kubutu came into existance | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | so officially I suppose its really 5 years already | 12:54 |
| evilshadeslayer | thank god... its not out yet :D | 12:54 |
| * apachelogger feels old now | 12:54 | |
| evilshadeslayer | hehe | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | off to chakra! | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | not 5 years I think | 12:55 |
| evilshadeslayer | i started with KDE 4.0 ... so im still shiny :D | 12:55 |
| evilshadeslayer | well... a few scratches here and there... but shiny | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: if we had a marekting dept. we could use that fact for loads of things ^^ | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | but we dont have such a department :( | 12:55 |
| evilshadeslayer | #kubuntu-mkt-dept :P | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | oh | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | kde-l10n is already at u | 12:57 |
| * apachelogger thinks it might be done soonish | 12:58 | |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 12:58 |
| * apachelogger notes that no one patched kpk in karmic | 13:07 | |
| * evilshadeslayer notes that he needs a bath | 13:08 | |
| * apachelogger noticed when he came into the channel this morning :P | 13:09 | |
| apachelogger | Successfully uploaded packages. | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | incredibly how slow the austrian archive mirror is | 13:12 |
| * apachelogger switches to french one | 13:12 | |
| apachelogger | oh cmon | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | why do you always do this to me -.- | 13:21 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: heh.. i use the main repo... | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | those are also slow as hell | 13:30 |
| evilshadeslayer | pretty fast here :P | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | wait until release day | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | you wont be able to update for 3 weeks | 13:30 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: hehe.. well im on a 256 kbps connection so... | 13:31 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: oh ill switch to the indian mirror before release day :D | 13:31 |
| * evilshadeslayer finds the closest large object and gives ubottu a slap with it | 13:33 | |
| evilshadeslayer | hehe.. just trying out a script in weechat :D | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | slapping only in private channels please | 13:34 |
| evilshadeslayer | okies | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | this ought to stay child save I have been told | 13:34 |
| evilshadeslayer | :D | 13:35 |
| evilshadeslayer | gah!! LP doesnt want to increase my karma above 1499 :P | 13:36 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Thanks for testing. | 13:40 |
| ScottK | debfx: Thanks again for the patch. Maybe you can get apachelogger to commit it in KDE svn.... | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | huh | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | what patch now? | 13:41 |
| ScottK | The display control revert thing. | 13:42 |
| * apachelogger is always sponsoring stuff and then gets beaten up for it ^^ | 13:42 | |
| ScottK | The one you uploaded for imbrandon. | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: oh, yeah, already on my todo | 13:42 |
| ScottK | Should go both in Trunk and the 4.4 branch, AFAICT. | 13:42 |
| ScottK | Great. | 13:42 |
| * apachelogger zsyncs iso | 13:44 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: am I right that kpk didnt throw those notifications about updates in karmic? | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | i.e. we patched it away? | 13:46 |
| * evilshadeslayer builds bespin from svn | 13:48 | |
| apachelogger | gross | 13:48 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: i just want to try it out :P | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | even grosser | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | oh | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | my patch is not working \o/ | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | oh | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | I think I know why | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | gross | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | too | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | "by the powers of quilt I command you refresh!" | 13:54 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: the German and Swiss mirrors are pretty good ones | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | actually I think they are on the same server as the french mirror | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | IIRC they started some cooperation regarding servers of all kind | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | not sure if archives are affected | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | they have some seriously powerful stuff htough 6^ | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | *though ^^ | 13:56 |
| Mamarok | hm, I somehow doubt that, since I know the guys who do the Swiss mirror | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | oh, ok | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | http://www.ubuntu-eu.org/ | 13:57 |
| Mamarok | nah, these are not the package mirrors, but the website server | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | ok | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | eitherway the austrian mirror is not very attracting and the austrian loco isnt either | 13:58 |
| Mamarok | the Swiss Ubuntu mirror is at the ETH (Switch) | 13:59 |
| * apachelogger should move to zurich, workf or google and conduct his studies at the ETH zurich | 14:00 | |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: that sounds like a plan :) | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | yeah, the only show stopper is that I would have to search a new flat | 14:01 |
| Mamarok | or study in Lausanne at the ETH, in French/English | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | that is something I possibly hate more than bugs | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: I'd rather not study in french ^^ | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | might be coutner producitve | 14:01 |
| * apachelogger thinks that it must be typo day again | 14:02 | |
| Mamarok | or study in Fribourg (in German) and life at our place till you have found something | 14:02 |
| Mamarok | if you have no aversion against two cats | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: you understand this would mean that I will stay at your's until I leave for irland? :D | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | we got a cat here | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | a very annoying and gross one though | 14:03 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: I have means to push you out of the door, don't worry | 14:03 |
| Mamarok | ours are annoying, especially the she-cat | 14:03 |
| Mamarok | she is very wordy | 14:03 |
| Mamarok | and fat | 14:03 |
| Mamarok | always complains there is not enough food, not enough cuddling | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | I see you always give in, since the cat is fat ^^ | 14:04 |
| Mamarok | nah, she is born fat, I strugle to keep her in acceptable dimensions | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: np | 14:04 |
| kubotu | apachelogger is listening to "If I Had $1000000" by Barenaked Ladies [Rock Spectacle, 1996] [http://open.spotify.com/track/1btA9CwzPu12fWK1x1CEIW] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more | 14:04 |
| Mamarok | but markey might be the one fedding her behind my back | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | 1,000,000 $ that is like 10 EUR or something | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | you could get a floppy for that | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: hm, that indeed sounds possible | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: sometimes he has horrible response times, I always suspected he would be off cuddling with them cats | 14:06 |
| Mamarok | since she always goes to complain to him first, must be more effective than complaining to me | 14:06 |
| Mamarok | he sure does :) | 14:06 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hard_drive | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | yay | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | my patch works | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | uhhh | 14:07 |
| evilshadeslayer | this one is even better : http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Virus | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | ...male internet users download from the internet | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | as if one could download that anywhere else -.- | 14:08 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: It throws them and they are really annoying. | 14:08 |
| ScottK | BTW, if one accidentally cancels out the reboot required notification, it's gone and AFAICT stays gone. | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | ZFS: Zero File System. Suitable for applications needing to store zero or fewer gigabytes. | 14:09 |
| * apachelogger giggles | 14:09 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: there are two cancellations | 14:09 |
| ScottK | This could be considered a security issue, since until you reboot, you aren't running the new kernel and aren't protected by any fixes. | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | one being for this time and one permanent | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | lattter can be unset via a module somewhere in systemsettings | 14:10 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Cancel the "Recent Notifications" thing and it's wiped out forever when you didn't even touch it. | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that would be former | 14:10 |
| ScottK | Which is most highly not desired behavior. | 14:10 |
| ScottK | Don't think so. | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | sure it is | 14:11 |
| * ScottK never saw it come back after that. | 14:11 | |
| apachelogger | you cancelled all recent notification | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it will only come back once the reboot marker file was touched again | 14:11 |
| ScottK | Right, which is a regression. | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | is it? | 14:12 |
| ScottK | Before, persistent really meant persistent. | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | that you will have to discuss with upstream then | 14:12 |
| ScottK | When we had the icon in the tray it was always there until you rebooted. | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | well | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | that is silly too | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | what I would like to have is that it reoccurs everytime dpkg gets executed | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | or even better yet, everytime the cache gets updated | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | because that makes the notification more nagging | 14:13 |
| ScottK | I think before it was good. | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | and as you pointed out not rebooting is a potential security issue | 14:13 |
| ScottK | Now it's both more anoying and less effective. | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | so you want that particular notification to be super annoying | 14:13 |
| ScottK | I think you want it to be super persistent, not super annoying. | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: well, we cant add the statusnotifier stuff at this point | 14:13 |
| ScottK | presumably if they don't reboot right away, there's a reason. | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | too much a risk of breakage + it breaks UI freeze quite a bit | 14:14 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | + string freeze most likely | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | but I will see that statusnotifier lands in maverick ASAP | 14:14 |
| ScottK | Why we had to emulate the single most annoying thing Ayatana has done for Ubuntu, I have no idea. | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | actually it is the kpk appraoch of doing things | 14:15 |
| ScottK | I'd rather have had their notifications than this intermittent update notification stuff. | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | and someone claimed it is upstream's plan | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Broken by design. | 14:15 |
| ScottK | It both doesn't tell me I have updates when I do and then thinks to tell me I have them when I've already installed them. | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | while indeed that was not true at all, as I understand it, and what I want knh to do for maverick is drop a notification that is non-persistent AND show a statusnotifier | 14:16 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Please give an option to turn off the notification then. | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | well, it is already there ;) | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | that ignore foreverever option in the notification | 14:17 |
| ScottK | OK. | 14:17 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: That's after the first one. | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | the KCM just needs a setting to switcht them all off at once | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | s/setting/button | 14:17 |
| ScottK | I think the statusnotifier is sufficient and would like to be able to not be bothered by the first one. | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | s/button/checkbox | 14:17 |
| evilshadeslayer | oh my | 14:18 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: There's a workspace update in my PPA that, I think, fixes the overlapping panel problem on netbook. Would you be able to test it? | 14:18 |
| evilshadeslayer | apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/Z9lfDkY.html | 14:19 |
| evilshadeslayer | bbl | 14:20 |
| txwikinger | How can I switch off the screensaver in lucid? | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: via the settings | 14:29 |
| txwikinger | Does not work apachelogger | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | evilnhandler: very nice | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: are you sure you are experiencing a screensaver? | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | could I get a core-dev sponsor for http://pastebin.com/CkJ0HExf ? (Adds an explicit dependency on policykit-1, plus updates debian/copyright) | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: are you all updated? there was bug 554069 | 14:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 554069 in xscreensaver "xscreensaver activated on kubuntu after upgrade to lucid" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554069 | 14:31 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: Yeah.. it is the random screen saver that always starts up | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | dont have no screensavers here | 14:33 |
| txwikinger | I even switched into presentation mode and took off the screen saving options in all other profiles | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: I mean... in the screensaver settings themselfs | 14:33 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: It seems to be the bug | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | awesome | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | my knm is broken | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | there goes my good mood | 14:38 |
| txwikinger | I will see.. I have killed the process and upgraded the package | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | wow | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | not even ethernet works | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | network manager is so awesome it always makes me wonder how much more awesome software can be | 14:39 |
| txwikinger | I have a problem with network being started after desktop login | 14:39 |
| txwikinger | It creates some unresolvable dependencies with packages | 14:40 |
| txwikinger | how can you login with ldap server authentication if you have no network yet | 14:41 |
| txwikinger | or mount your home drive from a server | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | you are not supposed to | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | network manager was not inveted for useful things | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: well, I cant test, network is completely broken | 14:43 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: is this a known notification bug? http://imagebin.ca/view/duuma3Y.html | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I've seen it before. Not much we can do about it from knh though | 14:54 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: it's upstream? known? | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | let me check if it's known | 14:56 |
| txwikinger | Everytime I upgrade the weather widget does not work anymore | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 219670 | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 219670 in ember "Bad textures on Lordi and pigs" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219670 | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | um | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | kde bug 219670 | 14:57 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 219670 in notifications "Button's text are clipped in Notifications' buttons using some themes" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219670 | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that's slightly different | 14:57 |
| amichair | yeah, it's the complement of this bug | 14:58 |
| JontheEchidna | kde bug 215346 | 14:58 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 215346 in notifications "choqok cuts up fonts in notifications" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215346 | 14:58 |
| amichair | That one looks related. Maybe I'll add my screenshot to it | 15:00 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: 10x | 15:04 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: btw did u get around to checking the knh const iterator fixes I made? | 15:05 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: is there a branch I can check? | 15:06 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: https://code.launchpad.net/~amichai2/kubuntu-notification-helper/fixes | 15:06 |
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| amichair | needs a bit of testing the various notifications to make sure it's ok, though as far as I can tell it's semantically equivalent | 15:07 |
| amichair | (I tend to opt for the safe side...) | 15:07 |
| amichair | this should prevent crahes like the one nixternal had but with the other notification types (and also a bit more optimized) | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | k, I'll do some testing then | 15:09 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: you're a hellofa helpful fella ;-) | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: looks like hooks and codec install still work here | 15:18 |
| amichair | goody :-) | 15:18 |
| * ryanakca sighs and wonders why a DSC built in the sid chroot is lintian clean but one built in a lucid chroot isn't | 15:37 | |
| ryanakca | Kobby built in lucid fails on: 'E: kobby: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/kobby /usr/lib' and 'E: kobby: lzma-deb-archive' ... but not for sid. Any ideas on the causes? My lucid chroot is up to date. | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: we compress our kde packages with lzma and I think we do not strip rpath no more | 15:39 |
| ScottK | Why don't we strip the archive. | 15:40 |
| ScottK | archive/rpath | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I wouldnt know | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | bit there is a build switch for it IIRC, and jr at some point said that we dont build without rpath anymore | 15:41 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: If we don't, someone should fix lintian in Ubuntu. | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: the complaint is valid | 15:42 |
| ScottK | OK. I"ll ask him. | 15:42 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: Well, it should be extended to say that this can be ignored for Ubuntu packages or something of the sort | 15:42 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Hold off on the sync/ffe until it gets figured out? | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: that is not the case | 15:43 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: No. Go ahead. | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | + it would break existing translations | 15:43 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Also, is there any need to keep libqinfinity1 in the archives (nothing uses libqinfinity apart from Kobby AFAIK), or will it disappear shortly? | 15:49 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Once Kobby is uploaded it will go away semi-automatically. | 15:53 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: OK | 15:53 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: You can see here it's the only rdepend: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libqinfinity1 | 15:54 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: And then once that's gone, libinfinity-0.3.0 can go too: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libinfinity-0.3-0 | 15:54 |
| ryanakca | Cool | 15:54 |
| ScottK | debfx: I've verified reverting in both the display kcm and krandrtray are working now. Very cool. Thanks again. | 15:59 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, ScottK: do you think we should land taglib 1.6.2? | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | has some interesting changes | 16:15 |
| * ScottK has no opinion. | 16:15 | |
| JontheEchidna | it has a nice memleak fix0r | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 16:17 |
| * apachelogger woud either cherry pick that or push 1.6.2 | 16:17 | |
| * apachelogger also notes that taglib hasn't had much regressions in his history | 16:18 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger or JontheEchidna: Any ideas what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/557930/comments/12 | 16:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 557930 in kdebase-workspace "[Lucid Beta2] After first boot Live Kubuntu Netbook doesn't start X and fallback to a textual terminal" [Medium,New] | 16:49 |
| ScottK | It seems Riddell's efforts to restore failsafe X weren't complete. | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | failsafe X made X fail, classic one | 16:51 |
| ScottK | Yeah, so seems like something your awesomeness could whip out a fix for in no time. | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | my awesomeness stated yesterday that I shall not do no development until api.kde.org | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | since that is not the case I doubt I will even click on that url :P | 16:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: oh, btw, cant remember you mentioned that, but language-selector needs a search wiedget | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | widget | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | KDE got quite cool stock widgets for all sorts of list-like widgets | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | also, I think it should become more like the ktimezone widget in the plasma clock's config | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | adding a search to the date&time kcm's ktimezone widget was like 1 include and 1 sloc ^^ | 16:56 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: I'm afraid not | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: ya, already in the SoC proposal ;) | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | kk | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 363624 is the valid | 17:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 363624 in kdebase-runtime "Dolphin does not correctly display special characters in messages" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363624 | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | perfeclty reproducable with german | 17:03 |
| JontheEchidna | :( | 17:03 |
| * ryanakca curses and wonders why Kobby 1.0~beta5-2 crashes a second after I start an infinoted server from the command line, but kobby 1.0~beta5-1 didn't. | 17:04 | |
| JontheEchidna | you'd think it was written in python | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | maybe it was | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | then botconverted to cpp | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | and then you get that | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | I hink I know ^^ | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: that message is most likely coming from mount directly | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | so there is probably som bogus or missing encoding conversion going on | 17:06 |
| JontheEchidna | hrmhrm | 17:06 |
| JontheEchidna | life would be so much easier if everybody just used QString() | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | weeeh | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: checkout the readme | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | runtime/kioslaves/floppy | 17:07 |
| * Mamarok shakes her head at this siren sound coming from this channel, that hurt! | 17:07 | |
| apachelogger | well, we are working here :P | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | everyone must know | 17:07 |
| JontheEchidna | "this is an ioslave for KDE 2/3...." | 17:08 |
| JontheEchidna | lulz | 17:08 |
| * apachelogger got yesterday thrown out of #ubuntu because he was dragging around bug corps again | 17:08 | |
| apachelogger | no appreciation for bug hunters | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | horrible | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | really :( | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the sentence following that is proofing me right | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | not that someone like me needs proof of anything :P | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | my work here is done | 17:09 |
| * apachelogger leaves the rest to JontheEchidna, hands Mamarok a cookie and a cup of tea, gets some tea for himself and enjoys the strange weather | 17:10 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: oh, it is using qstring | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | seems it just needs to do some funny encoding conversion | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: or maybe it is not coming from the slave at all :S | 17:24 |
| JontheEchidna | :S | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | no | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | that is coming from either hal, or solid, or dolphin, or some patch we apply somewhere | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: either hal or solid | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | cant get no kde debug messages from all that | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | dont get no error on hal | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | kernel however properly glots the faile dIO | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | *failed IO | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | now either whatever tries this mount is very very very undebugable or it just hates me | 17:37 |
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| apachelogger | ha | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | plymouth theme looks funny in vm | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | I wonder if it looks like that on nvidia | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | got something artistic to it ^^ | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: lucid message is more useful, it defenitely is solid or hal, in precise it refers to the UnknownFailure signal from hal | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | it doesnt seem that the mount error is translated though | 17:49 |
| * apachelogger installs to check again | 17:49 | |
| apachelogger | did I mention that I do not think the ubiqiuty icon very installer-like? | 17:49 |
| debfx | has anyone else noticed that System Settings and KPackageKit are sometimes missing from the Computer menu in kickoff? | 17:51 |
| debfx | this patch seems to fix it but i'm not completely sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/412666/ | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=86955 | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | kde bug 232729 | 17:53 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 232729 in widget-kickoff "Kickoff doesnt show system settings in computer tab" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232729 | 17:53 |
| apachelogger | lp bug 550763 | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 550763 in kdebase-workspace "kde 4.4.1 kickoff computer tab doesnt show system settings" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550763 | 17:53 |
| apachelogger | http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=15638 | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | debfx: most proofing ^ | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110800.0 | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | oh :( | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | ubiquity is stil a cpu hog | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | :( | 17:55 |
| * ScottK has some more workspace changes, so please don't upload workspace again (yet) | 17:55 | |
| apachelogger | debfx: I would poke someone in #plasma | 17:56 |
| debfx | apachelogger: ah thanks, could you set that lp bug to confirmed? | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | debfx: needs to be fixed upstream :P | 17:58 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: I talked to lure and upstream, they recommend to ship kipi and digikam 1.2 with lucid. Do you think this is possible? | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: needs feature freeze exception, string freeze exception and ui freeze exception I suppose | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | other than that it shouldnt be a prob | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | better than have broken digikam, like we had in karmic | 17:59 |
| neversfelde | ok, I will try to get the exceptions | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | woosh | 18:00 |
| debfx | apachelogger: if we are going to hide it from the settings menu we should make sure that it's displayed in the computer menu ;) | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | hm hm hm | 18:01 |
| * apachelogger goes reverting stuff in kds | 18:01 | |
| apachelogger | debfx: it is in the favs by default :P | 18:01 |
| verbalshadow | apachelogger: did you get networkmanager working again? | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | no | 18:01 |
| * apachelogger didnt try | 18:01 | |
| apachelogger | it shall go burn in hell | 18:01 |
| * apachelogger uses low level iftools now | 18:01 | |
| verbalshadow | does the kde networking management work with wicd | 18:02 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100411170519-smphf71onzjzcgcf kubuntu-default-settings/ (share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc debian/changelog): (log message trimmed) | 18:05 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: * Remove kglobalshortcutsrc: | 18:05 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: + Amarok shortcut changes break compability with upstream, with previous | 18:05 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: releases and with keyboards that have no media keys (chances are higher | 18:05 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: you got a windows key than fancy media keys) LP: #560773 | 18:05 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: + The KWin shortcuts do not work (as per some bug report we won'tfixed | 18:05 |
| CIA-6 | kubuntu: because upstream thinks kwin uses too many shortcuts already and app devs | 18:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560773 in kubuntu-default-settings "Win-B does not proceed to the next song in Amarok" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560773 | 18:05 |
| verbalshadow | the only major issue i have with NM is sometime after coming out of standby it is disabled and you can't re-enable it with knetworkmanager so i have to use nm-applet | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | it is to be crying | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | bug 560527 | 18:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560527 in kdepim "Kmail isn't sending email " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560527 | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | what is that supposed to be | 18:11 |
| * ScottK can't replicate the overlapping widget problem now. | 18:11 | |
| * apachelogger is still installing | 18:12 | |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | not even through the installer | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | oh | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | and crappy music | 18:12 |
| * apachelogger goes mad and deletes all that junk | 18:12 | |
| apachelogger | ... | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | and then amarok hung | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | ... | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | and then apachelogger became even more angry than the network manager incident had made him already and threatens to eat kittens if this doesnt stop | 18:15 |
| ScottK | Of course as soon as I mark the bug incomplete, it happens again. | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | oh my :( | 18:16 |
| * apachelogger waves good bye to amarok | 18:16 | |
| apachelogger | markey: amarok does the crashy crashy when you delete junk via the collection widget | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | fortunately enough ubuntu is using apport so I cant get a sensible backtrace for you | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | I am sure you dont need one, if ubuntu doesnt, why would you | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | how unfortunate | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | I told ubiquity it should skip downloading langpacks | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | and now I dont see it anymore | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | No one likes me, not even ubiquity :'( | 19:02 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: please accept the invitation for the kc. | 19:07 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: I like you :D | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | :) | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: only jr is admin | 19:09 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: ok. | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | I'll poke him should he ever return | 19:09 |
| lex79 | what boredom with xscreensaver package | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | all of a sudden it was super important that it autostarted | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | 6 years no one gave a shit | 19:10 |
| * apachelogger is annoyed by that madness TBH | 19:10 | |
| apachelogger | neither did anyone bother to read the changelog | 19:11 |
| lex79 | nope | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | oh, right, and upstream KDE refuses to update the kde-l10n-sv package so it FTBFS | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | I suppose there will be no kde-l10n-sv package of decent version in lucid | 19:12 |
| * apachelogger sighs and continues cleaning up his collection | 19:14 | |
| * ScottK wonders how the xscreensaver package is installed at all. | 19:18 | |
| * ScottK thinks it should not be. | 19:18 | |
| ScottK | Then whoever installs it probably wants it started. | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | I think it is dep of quite some stuff | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | at the very least it will get in by installing an addtional -desktop thingy | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | Like for example Xubuntu | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | Of course in those cases it is still not desired to have it autostart when the user really uses another screensaver implementation. | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | And there is the technical problem. Currently you don't know what the user wants to use. | 19:21 |
| ScottK | Fair enough | 19:23 |
| * ScottK wonders if debfx is up for teaching currentappcontrol in plasma/netbook (workspace) not to go nuts and over fill the netbook panel? | 19:24 | |
| * apachelogger quite frankly does not get why every other screensaver implementation is opt-in while xscreensaver should be opt-out though | 19:24 | |
| ScottK | True. | 19:25 |
| ScottK | debfx: If the answer is yes, Bug #540324 is the reference. | 19:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540324 in kdebase-workspace "plasma-netbook logout widget overlaps other widgets" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540324 | 19:25 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: thanks for the cookie :) I just have to get fresh tea now, sadly was AFK and it's cold now | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | :) | 19:26 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Would you please retest powerpc Live CD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20100411/ - the desktop should look right now. | 19:28 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: will do | 19:34 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: what is opt-in and opt-out? :( | 20:11 |
| ghostcube_maemo | o/ | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | lex79: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060901171635AAeQGNq | 20:49 |
| lex79 | oh | 20:51 |
| lex79 | thanks | 20:51 |
| * Tm_T huggles Riddell | 21:00 | |
| Tm_T | ScottK: works beautifully | 21:01 |
| Riddell | good evening Tm_T | 21:02 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: so, now we have working PPC livecd (:) | 21:02 |
| debfx | ScottK: to me it looks like the activity bar applet won't get smaller | 21:05 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: awooga | 21:07 |
| * Tm_T huggles ScottK | 21:07 | |
| Tm_T | now I have to go to sleep, good night everyone | 21:07 |
| ScottK | debfx: Any idea how to fix it? | 21:08 |
| debfx | ScottK: not yet | 21:11 |
| ScottK | It'd be cool if you could figure it out. That's the biggest usability issue with Kubunt Netbook at the moment. | 21:12 |
| debfx | is there a way to parallel build kdebase-workspace? | 21:19 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: if we don't want fix bug 553462 | 21:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 553462 in kdenetwork "User can't share directory with kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553462 | 21:24 |
| lex79 | can you write your thoughts to explain why we don't want fix, please? | 21:24 |
| * apachelogger waves to Riddell | 21:29 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kubuntu-council team should have gotten an invitation jussi01 mentioned | 21:29 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: 3 of them... | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | oh my ^^ | 21:30 |
| apachelogger | lex79: now, do I really have to ? :/ | 21:30 |
| apachelogger | lex79: didnt I wontfix at some point? | 21:30 |
| * apachelogger seems to remember something like this | 21:30 | |
| lex79 | yeah, you really have to becuase they continue to ask me if we want fix | 21:31 |
| lex79 | they want that package into cd | 21:31 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: an invitation? to a party? | 21:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: unfortunately not, but to some IRC op magic stuff on launchpad :) | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: also see the mail I sent sometime yesterday | 21:32 |
| maco | Riddell: should we be calling it e-post instead of e-mail for you? | 21:32 |
| * maco ducks | 21:32 | |
| apachelogger | hm, someone needs to explain me that one some time | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | lex79: or did I just say that it is a phony idea? | 21:34 |
| * apachelogger is not sleeping enough and cant remember things that he might have done 10 days ago :( | 21:34 | |
| maco | apachelogger: british people send letters in the post. americans send letters in the mail. Riddell is british. | 21:35 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: well, you can say is a phony idea and we will find a solution for maverick :P | 21:35 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: just to be confusing we use Royal Mail to send our post while they use US Postal Service to send their mail | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | maco: Riddell is scottish very much I am sure | 21:35 |
| maco | apachelogger: scotland is in britain | 21:36 |
| maco | Riddell would add "for now" i think | 21:36 |
| * apachelogger is with Riddell on that :P | 21:36 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: makes perfect sense Oo | 21:36 |
| apachelogger | I suppose | 21:36 |
| maco | Riddell: did you see yesterday's Doctor Who? | 21:36 |
| apachelogger | lex79: well, I do find it is and I dont think we will | 21:36 |
| maco | there's a joke about uk v. scotland in it | 21:36 |
| apachelogger | lex79: that issue is on our todo for 5 years or so | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | lex79: I think we even had it spec'd up at some point | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | just not resolved :( | 21:37 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: or we can add that package into cd :P and stop to make users annoying | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | no | 21:37 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: it was in todo list in karmic and lucid afaik | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | because the underlying implementation is partially borken and crap | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | it would only unleash a billion more reports | 21:38 |
| lex79 | ok | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | if anything then we should patch the sharing tab away unless the KCM is installed | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | which is something that should be done upstream to begin with | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | ...see | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | broken | 21:38 |
| Riddell | maco: I did not no | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | :O | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | omg | 21:39 |
| maco | Riddell: pm | 21:39 |
| * apachelogger is disappointed in Riddell :( | 21:39 | |
| * maco saw it | 21:39 | |
| apachelogger | maco++ | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | anyone wanna package grantlee? | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | lex79: cant you just close the bug and say that we dont like filesharing? | 21:42 |
| lex79 | buahah :D | 21:42 |
| lex79 | ok I will do | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | lex79: Better yet, say our legal department advised us not implement filesharing by default ;) | 21:43 |
| lex79 | omg | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | I already see the replies ^^ | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | "but that is not illegal!!! :(" | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | "so why is it in ubuntu?" | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | "but mimimi" | 21:43 |
| * apachelogger always wondered how to pronounce that | 21:43 | |
| apachelogger | http://phj.at/mimimi.jpg | 21:44 |
| lex79 | LoL | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | It must be jolly hard to get the perfect mimimi sound really. | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | hm. | 21:47 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: On latest lucid Amarok is restoring from tray to a rathrer odd and small size, I didn't notice this before, could this be because of some Kubuntu change? | 21:48 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: the default size at first start is tiny, I was also wondering. So are the font sizes, tiny, I changed everything to 9, the default 8 was too small on this screen | 21:50 |
| Mamarok | but I have a huge resolution on this laptop | 21:50 |
| apachelogger | well, I am on dual head | 21:51 |
| Mamarok | 1920x1200 | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | Still, when restoring it should restore to the previous size it had, not the default size. | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | And given that I did not notice this before, it probably did so, until I wiped my data today *shrug*. | 21:52 |
| Mamarok | I think that is a Qt bug, not specific to Kubuntu, but ask markey, he knows better | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | markey: ^ | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: 8ball shall I make coffee? | 21:52 |
| * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... yes | 21:52 | |
| apachelogger | cool | 21:52 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: the git version restores correctly here | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | lex79: I just lol'd because of Malte's very true comment ;) | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | it seems its not rekonq that eats my X, it is webkit | 22:53 |
| * apachelogger switches konqueror to khtml | 22:53 | |
| debfx | ScottK: I've attached a patch on bug #540324 | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540324 in kdebase-workspace "plasma-netbook logout widget overlaps other widgets" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540324 | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/apachelogger/t127083720323 | 23:07 |
| jussi01 | hrrr | 23:16 |
| jussi01 | something is borked... | 23:16 |
| jussi01 | or Im doing it wrong, | 23:16 |
| jussi01 | jussi@Galaxy:~/Downloads$ wine "Spotify Installer.exe" | 23:16 |
| jussi01 | Warning: could not find DOS drive for current working directory '/home/jussi/Downloads', starting in the Windows directory. | 23:16 |
| jussi01 | wine: cannot find 'Spotify Installer.exe' | 23:16 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: from that message I would suppose that your wine cfg is busted an that your home is not represented as a drive inside wine, hence it can then not access the exe | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | that is however just an assumption and #wine will probably know better ^^ | 23:19 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: let me look... | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | anyone up for uno? | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: topic del 1 | 23:19 |
| === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 9 left to fix! | ||
| jussi01 | apachelogger: theres a decent game of wolfie going atm (or there was) | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | I do lik UNO better anyway :) | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | s/lik/like | 23:20 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: fixed, thanks | 23:21 |
| jussi01 | (the autodetect is very cool) | 23:21 |
| apachelogger | magic | 23:21 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 23:21 |
| * apachelogger needs to repatch akonadi | 23:22 | |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: can you sync something for me? | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: sync? | 23:22 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: are we allowed to pull things from debian still? | 23:23 |
| jussi01 | !info qutecom | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | Only canonical archive admins can do syncing. | 23:23 |
| ubottu | qutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2~rc3.hg396~dfsg1-2build1 (karmic), package size 3423 kB, installed size 9728 kB | 23:23 |
| jussi01 | !info qutecom unstable | 23:23 |
| ubottu | qutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2~rc3.hg396~dfsg1-6 (unstable), package size 2769 kB, installed size 8104 kB | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | !info qutecom lucid | 23:23 |
| ubottu | qutecom (source: qutecom): SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2~rc3.hg396~dfsg1-5build1 (lucid), package size 3359 kB, installed size 9488 kB | 23:23 |
| jussi01 | whoops | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: well, you'd need to file a sync request ;) | 23:24 |
| apachelogger | Have a MOTU ACK it. Then get Riddell to execute the sync. | 23:24 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: I dont remember what needs tobe in that. have you a nice link for me? | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 23:25 |
| * apachelogger got all them fancy lynx ^^ | 23:25 | |
| apachelogger | oh right | 23:25 |
| jussi01 | :D | 23:25 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: Malt must become kubuntu-developer with immediate effect :D | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | you need a freeze exeception too | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | Though. | 23:25 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: not worth it. the changes arent that huge | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | You can probably get that along the sync request, since jr can give exceptions. | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: oh, ok | 23:26 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: that bug report seems a war now :) | 23:26 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: and it works at the moment, which is positive | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | lex79: You could actually try recruiting him. And I think it became a war field when I uploaded, because I said earlier, no one likes me. | 23:28 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: God knows for how long ;) | 23:28 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: lol | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | Well. If it it was like your l10n, then every hour of the day, there is a 3.82% chance of breakage... | 23:30 |
| jussi01 | hahahah | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | Like every upload of kdelibs in KDE 3 times had a 86.22% chance of failing to build in a new fancy way, with a new fancy message so that all that is depending on it breask in the a new fancy way and you almost wet yourself because you just broke all of Kubuntu. | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: \o/ | 23:34 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: ok, what did I do now ;) | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | nothing | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | but | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | jussi01, lex79, claydoh: how about a round of uno? | 23:35 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: ahhh fine | 23:35 |
| claydoh | ok what was I supposed to do that I didn't? | 23:35 |
| jussi01 | #uno? | 23:35 |
| lex79 | no for me thanks :) | 23:35 |
| * apachelogger pokes lex79 | 23:35 | |
| apachelogger | imbrandon: o/ | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: in here ;) | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: uno | 23:35 |
| kubotu | Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in | 23:35 |
| jussi01 | o.O | 23:35 |
| imbrandon | apachelogger, ello | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | imbrandon: type ... jo | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | we are playing uno ;) | 23:36 |
| claydoh | jo | 23:36 |
| kubotu | claydoh joins this game of UNO! | 23:36 |
| jussi01 | jo | 23:36 |
| kubotu | jussi01 joins this game of UNO! | 23:36 |
| kubotu | game will start in 20 seconds | 23:36 |
| imbrandon | hehe, not atm, in a few maybe | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | kk ^^ | 23:36 |
| * apachelogger pokes lex79 | 23:36 | |
| maco | jo | 23:36 |
| kubotu | maco joins this game of UNO! | 23:36 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: I can't now :( | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | yay | 23:36 |
| kubotu | UNO! playing turn: claydoh jussi01 maco | 23:36 |
| kubotu | claydoh deals the first card from the stock | 23:36 |
| kubotu | Current discard: Red 5 | 23:36 |
| kubotu | it's jussi01's turn | 23:36 |
| maco | woah it sent me cards! | 23:36 |
| jussi01 | so how? | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: kubotu queried you with your cards | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | help | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: help uno | 23:37 |
| kubotu | UNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to | 23:37 |
| kubotu | select Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is. | 23:37 |
| jussi01 | pl red skip | 23:37 |
| kubotu | what cards were that again? | 23:37 |
| claydoh | ok its too hard already :) | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: rs | 23:38 |
| jussi01 | pl rs | 23:38 |
| kubotu | jussi01 plays Red Skip | 23:38 |
| kubotu | maco skips a turn! | 23:38 |
| kubotu | it's claydoh's turn | 23:38 |
| claydoh | ca | 23:38 |
| kubotu | claydoh: 7, jussi01: 6, maco: 7 | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | oh | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | jo | 23:38 |
| kubotu | apachelogger joins this game of UNO! | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | I was already wondering | 23:38 |
| jussi01 | lol | 23:38 |
| maco | ooh it tells us how many cards we have | 23:38 |
| maco | when it says 1 we have to say uno though right? or do we have to do it before it gets to it? | 23:38 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: It was the bug.. screensaver is off now | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | you dont need to I tink | 23:39 |
| crimsun | geez you people don't have enough bugs to squash :-) | 23:39 |
| maco | wait is uno a bluffing game too? | 23:39 |
| imbrandon | lol | 23:39 |
| txwikinger | uno? | 23:39 |
| jussi01 | crimsun: its sunday :P | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: please comment, so that the XFCE guys stop beating on my sponsors | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: type jo | 23:39 |
| claydoh | help uno rules | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: help uno rules | 23:39 |
| kubotu | play all your cards, one at a time, by matching either the color or the value of the currently discarded card. cards with special effects: Skip (next player skips a turn), Reverse (reverses the playing order), +2 (next player has to take 2 cards). Wilds can be played on any card, and you must specify the color for the next card. Wild +4 also forces the next player to take 4 cards, but it can only be played if you can't | 23:39 |
| kubotu | play a color card. you can play another +2 or +4 card on a +2 card, and a +4 on a +4, forcing the first player who can't play one to pick the cumulative sum of all cards. you can also play a Reverse on a +2 or +4, bouncing the effect back to the previous player (that now comes next). | 23:39 |
| maco | actually i shoul stuff for physics exam tomorrow | 23:39 |
| txwikinger | comment on what apachelogger | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: the bug report | 23:40 |
| crimsun | jussi01: what difference does that make? :-) | 23:40 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: ok | 23:40 |
| * persia sees this as a clear need for the #kubuntu-uno channel | 23:40 | |
| apachelogger | tu | 23:40 |
| kubotu | it's claydoh's turn | 23:40 |
| claydoh | cd | 23:40 |
| kubotu | Current discard: Red Skip | 23:40 |
| jussi01 | persia: you are correct | 23:40 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: we should move this from the work channel | 23:41 |
| claydoh | skip | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | does anyone need to do work right now? | 23:41 |
| jussi01 | and hai persia! | 23:41 |
| maco | oh there he is | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: you must do pe | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | to pick a card | 23:41 |
| maco | i saw people talking to you and didnt see ya there, persia | 23:41 |
| claydoh | arg | 23:42 |
| claydoh | pe | 23:42 |
| kubotu | claydoh picks a card | 23:42 |
| txwikinger | as long as uno does not use mono! | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: and now pa | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | to pass | 23:42 |
| imbrandon | :( /me likes mono | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: now that would be redundant | 23:42 |
| claydoh | pa | 23:42 |
| kubotu | claydoh passes turn | 23:42 |
| kubotu | it's jussi01's turn | 23:42 |
| jussi01 | pl r6 | 23:42 |
| kubotu | you don't have that card | 23:42 |
| jussi01 | pl r7 | 23:42 |
| kubotu | jussi01 plays Red 7 | 23:42 |
| kubotu | it's maco's turn | 23:42 |
| maco | pl r7 | 23:42 |
| kubotu | maco plays Red 7 | 23:42 |
| kubotu | it's apachelogger's turn | 23:42 |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: It is not a matter of liking but a matter of legal risk | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: should I file an off-by-one report against you ? ;) | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | pl w g | 23:43 |
| kubotu | apachelogger plays Wild | 23:43 |
| kubotu | color is now Green | 23:43 |
| kubotu | it's claydoh's turn | 23:43 |
| * genii pops in and sees an Uno game in progress, makes more coffee | 23:43 | |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: you should file a "you need sleep" report | 23:43 |
| * apachelogger notes to do that after the game | 23:43 | |
| claydoh | pl b0 | 23:43 |
| kubotu | you can't play that card | 23:43 |
| apachelogger | genii: in stead of making coffee you could really join ;) | 23:43 |
| imbrandon | txwikinger, i know what you ment, but i dont see any risk :) | 23:43 |
| genii | apachelogger: Next game maybe | 23:44 |
| claydoh | ook how to quit? | 23:44 |
| maco | claydoh: green | 23:44 |
| claydoh | jo | 23:44 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: seriously though, after this game, can we have kubotu join something like #kubuntu-uno or #kubuntu-playtime ? | 23:44 |
| kubotu | you're already in the game, claydoh | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: help uno admin | 23:44 |
| kubotu | The game manager (the user that started the game) can execute the following commands to manage it: 'uno drop <user>' to drop a user from the game (any user can drop itself using 'uno drop'); 'uno replace <old> [with] <new>' to replace a player with someone else (useful in case of disconnects); 'uno transfer [to] <nick>' to transfer game ownership to someone else; 'uno end' to end the game before its natural completion | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: uno drop to kubotu | 23:44 |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: the issue with the patents have not been vetted by any lawyer with patent experience yet | 23:44 |
| jussi01 | uno drop jussi01 | 23:44 |
| jussi01 | kubotu: uno drop jussi01 | 23:45 |
| kubotu | jussi01, you don't have 'uno::manage::drop::other' permissions here | 23:45 |
| txwikinger | There is quite a risk | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: uno drop claydoh | 23:45 |
| kubotu | claydoh gives up this game of UNO! | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | tu | 23:45 |
| kubotu | it's jussi01's turn | 23:45 |
| maco | jussi01: dont say your name | 23:45 |
| jussi01 | kubotu: uno drop | 23:45 |
| kubotu | jussi01 gives up this game of UNO! | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | pff | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | everyone is leaving the ship | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: uno end | 23:45 |
| kubotu | UNO! game halted after 8 minutes and 43 seconds | 23:45 |
| kubotu | maco still had Blue +2 Blue 2 Green 3 Green 6 Red 4 Yellow 3 | 23:45 |
| kubotu | apachelogger still had Blue +2 Blue 6 Green +2 Green 0 Wild +4 Yellow 9 | 23:45 |
| imbrandon | txwikinger, they dont have to be, there is case law that uphold the "promises" MS made | 23:45 |
| jussi01 | its sinkin | 23:45 |
| * apachelogger notes to not start games when the IRCC lord is around :P | 23:46 | |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: lol | 23:46 |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: Under which legal principle? Promises are not contracts an can be revoked at any time | 23:46 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: /join #kubuntu-playtime | 23:46 |
| persia | txwikinger: Depends on jurisdiction: in some jurisdictions verbal agreements are binding. | 23:46 |
| txwikinger | And as you can see re IBM it is often done | 23:47 |
| txwikinger | persia: Yes.. if there was a valid legal agreement, which a promise is not | 23:47 |
| txwikinger | a valid legal agreement requires consideration from both sides | 23:47 |
| imbrandon | txwikinger, yes they are, but they are also seen by courts as to their intention , e.g. let me find you the case where it was used in recent memory that i'm thinking about | 23:47 |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: Well there is a case of promisary estopple by Lord Denning (actually Master of the Roel at the time) | 23:48 |
| persia | txwikinger: Not everywhere, but this isn't the forum for it: ask your counsel regarding your jurisdiction, that of your counterparty, and any specific jurisdiction noted in any agreement :) | 23:48 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: join #kubuntu-playtime | 23:48 |
| * apachelogger comamnds everyone to join #kubuntu-playtime | 23:48 | |
| txwikinger | persia: I have a law degree | 23:48 |
| apachelogger | especially DarkwingDuck :P | 23:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: :P | 23:49 |
| imbrandon | txwikinger, and you dont take promisary estopple for what it is ? its been upheld many times over the years | 23:50 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: #kubuntu-playtime | 23:50 |
| imbrandon | anyhow persia this prob isnth the place for the convo ;) | 23:50 |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: well there are cases after it for both | 23:50 |
| imbrandon | err persia is right* | 23:50 |
| txwikinger | and also, promisary estopple only applies for the past, it does not prevent a change of mind and notice and hence a change from then on | 23:51 |
| ScottK | debfx: Thanks for the patch. I'll give it a try. | 23:51 |
| imbrandon | there is one now in the courts , that envolves that actual promis and 2 of the patents from MS and MS was forced to drop those 2 ( of the 160 it was seeking from the defendant ) | 23:52 |
| * txwikinger wonders where the ubuntu-legal channel is | 23:52 | |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: jurisdiction? parties? | 23:53 |
| imbrandon | txwikinger, was looking it up when you said you had a law degree and knew about promisary estopple , lol, lemme look, the case was US and it was MS vs ..... | 23:55 |
| imbrandon | lemme poke for it and i will query you with it, brb in a sec though, need a soda | 23:55 |
| txwikinger | imbrandon: thanks | 23:55 |
| txwikinger | In any way.. I think it would be difficult to rely on promisary estopple in all generality, since most people do not have an existing contract with MS | 23:58 |
| imbrandon | txwikinger, and even more arent covered by their patents :) | 23:59 |
| imbrandon | btw back ;) | 23:59 |
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