[00:18] <billytwowilly> I'm thinking about helping test out beta 2. Anyone experiencing any show stopper bugs? the system I'm going to upgrade would be annoying to break, but not catastrophic.
[01:11] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: I think the difference was in the logo's K...
[01:13] <ScottK> Tm_T: I had to strip the widgets out to get the size down.  I geuss we can play with it and see what fits.
[01:13] <ScottK> Thanks for testing.
[01:14] <Tm_T> ScottK: np, should I try something specifically or is it enough that "it works" ?
[01:15] <ScottK> That's great news.  I've no idea.
[01:15]  * ScottK doesn't know the last time we had a working powerpc live CD.
[01:15] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^ working powerpc live CD.
[01:15] <NCommander> NICE!
[01:16] <Tm_T> ScottK: heh, glad I had more ram now, with 256 MiB livecd wouldn't work well
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: the one there before had the new K
[01:28] <ScottK> Is showdesktop part of plasma-widgets-addons?
[01:32] <ScottK> Tm_T: Do you still have your live session up?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes
[01:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[01:34] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Ah, OK
[01:34] <ScottK> And what's the package for the microblog thing?
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: addons as well
[01:34] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool
[01:35] <Tm_T> ScottK: yes
[01:35] <ScottK> Tm_T: Could you install plasma-widgets-addons in your live session and give me a list of the packages it pulls in?
[01:35] <Tm_T> sure
[01:36] <ScottK> I think we have enough room to add what we need to fix those errors, but I want to check.
[01:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: plasma-widgets-addons and plasma-dataengines-addons, 1,232 kB to download, 6,017 kB to be used
[01:39] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[01:40] <ScottK> That should fit.
[01:40]  * ScottK fixes.
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> man, where's Riddell?
[01:52] <ScottK> I know he was off work on Friday.
[01:52] <ScottK> Beyond that, dunno.
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> bug 560411:(
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at the risk of your coronary health^
[02:53] <swien> Hi, I've got some problems with the nvidia driver and kubuntu beta. NVidia-Settings is not working an compositing cannot be activated. Is there a known bug about this?
[02:57] <lex79> ScottK: bug 545686
[02:58] <lex79> it fixes 4 bugs in LP
[03:36] <ScottK> lex79: Already approved.
[03:36] <lex79> thanks
[03:37] <ScottK> yw.
[03:49] <imbrandon> evening all
[03:49] <ScottK> Heya imbrandon.
[03:50] <imbrandon> heya
[03:50] <imbrandon> late night, get to install the daily build a few times , lol
[03:50] <ScottK> imbrandon: Did you see the call for testing on kubuntu-devel ml?
[03:51] <imbrandon> i so need a sysprep like tool for ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:51] <imbrandon> ScottK, yup, dl'ing that image now
[03:51] <imbrandon> i needed to install it on a few boxzen anyhow , so why not test right ?
[03:51] <ScottK> Great.  Absolutely.
[03:51] <imbrandon> brb gonna refill my coffee
[03:53] <imbrandon> back, sooooo how ya been ScottK , lookin busy
[03:53] <ScottK> Yep.
[03:53] <imbrandon> :)
[03:53] <ScottK> Release is looking pretty good, but more bugs to fix.
[03:54] <imbrandon> yea i noticed a few on the ML, maybe i can poke one or two this week, i have lots of free time i think ( i'm between having quit my job and opening my own store )
[03:55] <imbrandon> thus loading kubuntu on a few boxes ( i'm offering ubuntu/kubuntu installed and supported on my refurb'd hardware )
[03:56] <imbrandon> you know opening a retail shop is a PITA, lol
[03:57] <ScottK> Yeah, it sure is.
[03:57]  * ScottK has two teenagers working in retail at the moment (not for me fortunately) and one of them is at a new store.
[03:58] <imbrandon> :)
[03:59] <imbrandon> i just hoping the linux option on the hardware will overtake the windows one'
[03:59] <imbrandon> less support headache imho
[03:59] <ScottK> Got time to test a patch then?
[04:00] <imbrandon> right now its only about 20% ( linux ) and the rest opt for win32/64, but thats online only ( craigslist / ebay ) i'm hoping the retail part will give them a way to "touch it"
[04:00] <imbrandon> sure
[04:00] <ScottK> imbrandon: It's attached to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222110
[04:01] <imbrandon> k will do as soon as this frist install finishes
[04:01] <imbrandon> is that against the latest ?
[04:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:01] <imbrandon> k
[04:01] <imbrandon> should be about ~20 min or so
[04:01] <ScottK> Actually I don't know for sure if debfx did the patch against our 4.4.2 or KDE Trunk.
[04:01] <ScottK> Either way that code isn't touched much, it should apply fine.
[04:01] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:01] <imbrandon> no worries, i can figure that aprt, just  makin sure it wasent a version or two back
[04:02] <imbrandon> part*
[04:02] <ScottK> Nope.  Patch was just done today.
[04:02] <imbrandon> k
[04:02] <ScottK> That's one of the worst unfixed bugs I know of.
[04:02] <imbrandon> :)
[04:02] <ScottK> It'll be good to get that in.
[04:03] <imbrandon> ohhh i got an actual laptop/tablet i can test that on too for a "real world test"
[04:03] <imbrandon> nice
[04:03] <imbrandon> one with the flippy screen thing
[04:04] <ScottK> imbrandon: Are you doing anything with netbooks?
[04:04] <ScottK> You know we've got a Kubuntu Netbook variant now?
[04:05] <imbrandon> only the dell mini 9's and the "7 in mini notebooks" from china ( unbranded 400mhz arm's )
[04:05] <ScottK> We have armel images that need testing ....
[04:05] <imbrandon> yea i seen it, on the dell's i've been going with full distro, the 7 inches would be awesom
[04:05] <imbrandon> if i could get netbook remix to qwork on em
[04:06] <imbrandon> ( only have 3 for testing atm untill i could get sometingh "solid" to work on em besides winCE 6 )
[04:06] <ScottK> Try netbook.  The plasma netbook U/I is a lot smarter on small screens.
[04:07] <imbrandon> yea i was actualy looking for the arm port today, its kinda funky because it dont have a bios or efi of anykind that i can see
[04:07] <imbrandon> thus no acpi etc
[04:07] <imbrandon> kinda funky
[04:07] <imbrandon> but they are CHEAP so i bought a few and gonna give em a try
[04:07] <imbrandon> like $57 if i buy em in builk ( $75 each as one off's )
[04:07] <ScottK> Well we have it for i386 for the Dells too.
[04:08] <imbrandon> yea i put it on the dell's when it was still early, cant get ppl to order them that way, like i said hopefully the retail when they can "touch" them will make the sale easier
[04:10] <ScottK> I've shown Kubuntu Netbook to some pretty hard core Windows fanbois and gotten "I want" as a response.
[04:10] <ScottK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-i386.iso
[04:11] <imbrandon> ScottK, here is the exact specs on the arm ones ( this is not my retail shop but it lists the specs )
[04:11] <imbrandon> http://www.yallstore.com/new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd-black-p-39108.html
[04:12] <imbrandon> cool part is when i order 20 or more i can have the cases branded and colored too :)
[04:12] <ScottK> Nice.
[04:13] <imbrandon> definately not a top of the line machine, but i can pump em out the door with linux for $100 they should sell well
[04:14] <imbrandon> those dells are sweet though, i'll have to give the net remix another shot on them
[04:14] <imbrandon> atm they ship with win7 starter, and thats ..... unfortunate imho
[04:16] <imbrandon> hrm, we really need a sysprep tool
[04:17] <imbrandon> maybe i'll scratch that itch later
[04:17] <imbrandon> brb , gonna finish that install and grab the patch
[04:17] <ScottK> Great.
[04:20]  * ScottK was thinking to upload to his PPA for testing, but his fingers have typed dput ubuntu too many times.
[04:20] <ScottK> Fortunately they are also fast with ctrl-c.
[05:14] <imbrandon> ScottK, other things takin a bit longer than i thought but i will get to that patch tonight ( brb gonna reboot )
[08:21] <delight_> in 9.10 there was a possibility to swith the notification system to a nice pop-up style http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/enabling-ayatana-notifications-in-kubuntu-9-10/ .. is this gonna come to lucid again ?
[09:38] <imbrandon> ScottK: ping
[09:39] <imbrandon> that kcm_randr bug is tested , fixed , pushed to my ppa and the offical bzr branch for the package
[09:39] <imbrandon> me or someone else can upload it to the archive when ready, just wanset sure if there were more planed changes going into that package or not
[09:40] <imbrandon> ( probably not as late in the cycle as it is )
[09:42] <imbrandon> ScottK: bzr is here lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/
[09:42] <apparle> I get this while compiling a source "./configure: line 3976: smr_WITH_BUILD_PATH: command not found" what to do?
[10:17] <apparle> Guys I am banned in kubuntu why is it so?
[10:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: Happy Birthday!
[11:14]  * apachelogger throws up on bug 560411
[11:17] <apachelogger> OH
[11:17] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[11:18] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:18] <apachelogger> madness
[11:19] <imbrandon> apachelogger: lol
[11:21] <debfx> is system settings supposed to be in the "Computer" menu?
[11:21] <apachelogger> imbrandon: oh hai o/
[11:22] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[11:22] <apachelogger> debfx: where else would it be?
[11:23] <debfx> apachelogger: in Applications->Settings
[11:24] <debfx> apachelogger: it's always in Applications->Settings but only sometimes in Computer
[11:24] <debfx> i've noticed that on both of my kubuntu installations
[11:32] <apachelogger> debfx: actually we never wanted it in settings
[11:32] <apachelogger> and latest kubuntu-default-settings takes care of getting rid of it from there once and for all
[11:32] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100411103226-pnzw1fy923322o7y kdebase-workspace/debian/changelog: releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu9
[11:32] <apachelogger> debfx: that somtiems in computer seems to be a bug though
[11:33] <debfx> apachelogger: the Computer menu sometimes looks like this: http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7573/snapshot1qf.png
[11:33] <apachelogger> not the first time I heared that it is at times disappearing from the computer tab, no clue why
[11:33] <apachelogger> that seems to ba rather old vm anyway, judging from the menu pic
[11:34] <apachelogger> debfx: it is weird though, we inject the menu entries there via kickoffrc in kubuntu-default-setitngs which IIRC should be 100% equal to patching the source
[11:34] <apachelogger> maybe config reading fails or something
[11:38] <debfx> really strange, sometimes system settings is missing, sometimes kpackagekit and sometimes both
[11:38] <apachelogger> ohh
[11:39] <apachelogger> that either-or sounds more like a bug in the model
[11:39] <apachelogger> that jung get read all at once, so it can only have to do with the model or the ui itself
[11:39] <apachelogger> s/jung/junk ^^
[11:41] <imbrandon> hrm, i might try to tackle bug# 19767 after some sleep today
[11:41] <imbrandon> maybe , lulz
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100411104510-gea4mprpd42knqqn kde-l10n-common/debian/ (changelog rules):
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Comment debian/rules a bit more.
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Make sure extragear and playground desktop files are coming from trunk,
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  we need a more sensible approach to this though (LP: #560411)
[12:04] <shadeslayer> any idea what im doing wrong here :
[12:04] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/GbRpYCL6
[12:05] <apachelogger> ubottu: bug  19767
[12:05] <apachelogger> imbrandon: I am not sure it is worth the time, KHC is broken by design and should be rewritten altogether
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgphoto2-2-dev (>= 2.4) libkipi7-dev libkexiv2-8-dev libkdcraw8-dev liblcms1-dev libtiff4-dev liblqr-1-0-dev libjasper-dev liblensfun-dev libmarble-dev libsqlite3-dev
[12:06] <apachelogger> you need them packaeges installed
[12:06] <imbrandon> yea but i'm thinking just to disable the search tab like on windows
[12:06] <imbrandon> cuz it effects 3 and 4 right ?
[12:06] <shadeslayer> i think oh my
[12:06] <apachelogger> I'd remove it/hide it
[12:06] <imbrandon> yea
[12:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, no, hold on
[12:06] <apachelogger> wouldnt debuild -S -sa only build the source?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think youre right :P
[12:07] <apachelogger> ah
[12:07] <apachelogger> ^^^
[12:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, install those packages
[12:07] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:07]  * apachelogger didnt see that debuild was invoked ^^
[12:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you rproblem is that a patch fails to apply
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh wait!
[12:07] <apachelogger> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file utilities/imageeditor/canvas/colorcorrectiondlg.cpp.rej
[12:07] <apachelogger> dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL="C" LANG="C" patch -s -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/10_kdesvn_r1064789_fix_editor_crash.diff/ gave error exit status 1
[12:07] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b digikam-1.2.0 gave error exit status 2
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just read to line 55
[12:08] <apachelogger> or at least that change cannot be reverted, wherever the change is coming from ^^
[12:08] <apachelogger> if svn was any slower...
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so the problem is the patch right?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw digikam was not converted to source 3.0 format in the repo ;)
[12:10] <apachelogger> if debian did not convert then we shouldnt either
[12:11] <shadeslayer> ohh.. ok
[12:11] <apachelogger> my guess is that 10_kdesvn_r1064789_fix_editor_crash.diff (since it originated in upstream SVN) is applied to the source, hence additional applying fails
[12:12] <apachelogger> this is also why quilt whines about reveserd patch... reversed patch in most cases == already applied patch
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i remove the patch right?
[12:12]  * apachelogger gets annoyed by rekonqs buggyness and switcht o konqueror with webkitkde
[12:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you investigate if what I said is true ;)
[12:12] <apachelogger> and if it is you remove the patch
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ok
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which version of rekonq?
[12:14] <apachelogger> 0.4
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh.. well im on git version and it works like a charm :)
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw red in kompare means deleted lines right:
[12:15] <apachelogger> earlier it ate my X
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what!
[12:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno, I dont use kompare, but usually red means deleted, yes ;)
[12:16] <shadeslayer> the lines are still there
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the patch hasnt beed applied
[12:20] <shadeslayer> *been
[12:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any ideas on what might be wrong?
[12:38]  * apachelogger is picking fihgts again
[12:39] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: sure, if parts of the patch were applied, it would still fail to apply
[12:39] <apachelogger> you will have to look at hunk1 specifically
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> the first patch you mean...
[12:40] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: btw, you know that neversfelde has a digikam 1.2 package uploaded?
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> oh my..
[12:40] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: no, hunk 1 of the patch
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> oh ok
[12:40] <apachelogger> the first part
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: where is the new version?
[12:40] <apachelogger> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
[12:40] <apachelogger> that marks a hunk
[12:40] <apachelogger> then comes the patch content
[12:41] <apachelogger> and then another linke like the one above might be, with different numbers, marking the second hunk
[12:41] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: backports PPA
[12:41] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: we didnt want to upload to lucid at this stage without making sure everyone is fine with that
[12:41] <evilshadeslayer> ah ok :D
[12:43] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: this was reported a few mins ago : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/560576
[12:43] <evilshadeslayer> i just changed it to fix released :)
[12:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you should probably drop a news on kubuntu.org
[12:45] <apachelogger> markey: haha, that ccfinder tool is written in python, no wonder it only works on ubuntu lunix ;)
[12:45] <markey> heh
[12:45] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: btw is KDE plannig a new panel in 4.5
[12:45] <evilshadeslayer> ?
[12:46] <apachelogger> dont think so
[12:46] <apachelogger> if you a refering to the buzz on identi.ca as I understand it, they are just adding a default layout to the pnale
[12:46] <evilshadeslayer> hmm.. i heard it on identi.ca ..
[12:46] <apachelogger> so when you add a panel it will come with default widgets instead of emptyness
[12:46] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: ohhh...
[12:47] <apachelogger> that is how I understand it anyway ... one never knows what the plasma devs mean :P
[12:47] <apachelogger> they are like me when I start talking about maths ^^
[12:48] <evilshadeslayer> hehe
[12:49] <Mamarok> hm, which was the first Kubuntu release again? I only remember having built KDE on top of Ubuntu, but which was the first Kubuntu release?
[12:49] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: i think it was 7.04
[12:49] <evilshadeslayer> i still have the CD's from that release :P
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/KubuntuKDE4
[12:50] <Mamarok> evilshadeslayer: no, I think rather 6.06
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> hehe...
[12:50] <Mamarok> Dapper Drake IIRC
[12:50] <Mamarok> but not so sure
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: hmm..
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> idk :)
[12:51] <Mamarok> wrong again, it must have been Breezy
[12:51] <Mamarok> 5.10
[12:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: do you remember?
[12:51] <Mamarok> found it: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.04/
[12:52] <Mamarok> 5 years of Kubuntu then :)
[12:52] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: cool!
[12:52] <Mamarok> apparently I did build KDE on top of Warty for the first time, found a very old blog entry in my archives...
[12:54]  * evilshadeslayer checks for his results
[12:54] <apachelogger> for warty there were only "3rd party kde packges" with 5.04 kubutu came into existance
[12:54] <apachelogger> so officially I suppose its really 5 years already
[12:54] <evilshadeslayer> thank god... its not out yet :D
[12:54]  * apachelogger feels old now
[12:54] <evilshadeslayer> hehe
[12:55] <apachelogger> off to chakra!
[12:55] <apachelogger> not 5 years I think
[12:55] <evilshadeslayer> i started with KDE 4.0 ... so im still shiny :D
[12:55] <evilshadeslayer> well... a few scratches here and there... but shiny
[12:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: if we had a marekting dept. we could use that fact for loads of things ^^
[12:55] <apachelogger> but we dont have such a department :(
[12:56] <evilshadeslayer> #kubuntu-mkt-dept :P
[12:57] <apachelogger> oh
[12:57] <apachelogger> kde-l10n is already at u
[12:58]  * apachelogger thinks it might be done soonish
[12:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:07]  * apachelogger notes that no one patched kpk in karmic
[13:08]  * evilshadeslayer notes that he needs a bath
[13:09]  * apachelogger noticed when he came into the channel this morning :P
[13:09] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[13:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:12] <apachelogger> incredibly how slow the austrian archive mirror is
[13:12]  * apachelogger switches to french one
[13:20] <apachelogger> oh cmon
[13:20] <apachelogger> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[13:21] <apachelogger> why do you always do this to me -.-
[13:30] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: heh.. i use the main repo...
[13:30] <apachelogger> those are also slow as hell
[13:30] <evilshadeslayer> pretty fast here :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> wait until release day
[13:30] <apachelogger> you wont be able to update for 3 weeks
[13:31] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. well im on a 256 kbps connection so...
[13:31] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ill switch to the indian mirror before release day :D
[13:33]  * evilshadeslayer finds the closest large object and gives ubottu a slap with it
[13:34] <evilshadeslayer> hehe.. just trying out a script in weechat :D
[13:34] <apachelogger> slapping only in private channels please
[13:34] <evilshadeslayer> okies
[13:34] <apachelogger> this ought to stay child save I have been told
[13:35] <evilshadeslayer> :D
[13:36] <evilshadeslayer> gah!! LP doesnt want to increase my karma above 1499 :P
[13:40] <ScottK> imbrandon: Thanks for testing.
[13:40] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks again for the patch.  Maybe you can get apachelogger to commit it in KDE svn....
[13:41] <apachelogger> huh
[13:41] <apachelogger> what patch now?
[13:42] <ScottK> The display control revert thing.
[13:42]  * apachelogger is always sponsoring stuff and then gets beaten up for it ^^
[13:42] <ScottK> The one you uploaded for imbrandon.
[13:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, yeah, already on my todo
[13:42] <ScottK> Should go both in Trunk and the 4.4 branch, AFAICT.
[13:42] <ScottK> Great.
[13:44]  * apachelogger zsyncs iso
[13:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: am I right that kpk didnt throw those notifications about updates in karmic?
[13:46] <apachelogger> i.e. we patched it away?
[13:48]  * evilshadeslayer builds bespin from svn
[13:48] <apachelogger> gross
[13:49] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: i just want to try it out :P
[13:49] <apachelogger> even grosser
[13:49] <apachelogger> oh
[13:49] <apachelogger> my patch is not working \o/
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh
[13:52] <apachelogger> I think I know why
[13:52] <apachelogger> gross
[13:52] <apachelogger> too
[13:54] <apachelogger> "by the powers of quilt I command you refresh!"
[13:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the German and Swiss mirrors are pretty good ones
[13:55] <apachelogger> actually I think they are on the same server as the french mirror
[13:55] <apachelogger> IIRC they started some cooperation regarding servers of all kind
[13:55] <apachelogger> not sure if archives are affected
[13:56] <apachelogger> they have some seriously powerful stuff htough 6^
[13:56] <apachelogger> *though ^^
[13:56] <Mamarok> hm, I somehow doubt that, since I know the guys who do the Swiss mirror
[13:56] <apachelogger> oh, ok
[13:57] <apachelogger> http://www.ubuntu-eu.org/
[13:58] <Mamarok> nah, these are not the package mirrors, but the website server
[13:58] <apachelogger> ok
[13:58] <apachelogger> eitherway the austrian mirror is not very attracting and the austrian loco isnt either
[13:59] <Mamarok> the Swiss Ubuntu mirror is at the ETH (Switch)
[14:00]  * apachelogger should move to zurich, workf or google and conduct his studies at the ETH zurich
[14:00] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that sounds like a plan :)
[14:01] <apachelogger> yeah, the only show stopper is that I would have to search a new flat
[14:01] <Mamarok> or study in Lausanne at the ETH, in French/English
[14:01] <apachelogger> that is something I possibly hate more than bugs
[14:01] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I'd rather not study in french ^^
[14:01] <apachelogger> might be coutner producitve
[14:02]  * apachelogger thinks that it must be typo day again
[14:02] <Mamarok> or study in Fribourg (in German) and life at our place till you have found something
[14:02] <Mamarok> if you have no aversion against two cats
[14:02] <apachelogger> Mamarok: you understand this would mean that I will stay at your's until I leave for irland? :D
[14:02] <apachelogger> we got a cat here
[14:03] <apachelogger> a very annoying and gross one though
[14:03] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I have means to push you out of the door, don't worry
[14:03] <Mamarok> ours are annoying, especially the she-cat
[14:03] <Mamarok> she is very wordy
[14:03] <Mamarok> and fat
[14:03] <Mamarok> always complains there is not enough food, not enough cuddling
[14:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:04] <apachelogger> I see you always give in, since the cat is fat ^^
[14:04] <Mamarok> nah, she is born fat, I strugle to keep her in acceptable dimensions
[14:04] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[14:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "If I Had $1000000" by Barenaked Ladies [Rock Spectacle, 1996] [http://open.spotify.com/track/1btA9CwzPu12fWK1x1CEIW] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[14:05] <Mamarok> but markey might be the one fedding her behind my back
[14:05] <apachelogger> 1,000,000 $ that is like 10 EUR or something
[14:05] <apachelogger> you could get a floppy for that
[14:05] <apachelogger> Mamarok: hm, that indeed sounds possible
[14:06] <apachelogger> Mamarok: sometimes he has horrible response times, I always suspected he would be off cuddling with them cats
[14:06] <Mamarok> since she always goes to complain to him first, must be more effective than complaining to me
[14:06] <Mamarok> he sure does :)
[14:06] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hard_drive
[14:06] <apachelogger> yay
[14:06] <apachelogger> my patch works
[14:07] <apachelogger> uhhh
[14:07] <evilshadeslayer> this one is even better : http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Virus
[14:07] <apachelogger> ...male internet users download from the internet
[14:08] <apachelogger> as if one could download that anywhere else -.-
[14:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: It throws them and they are really annoying.
[14:09] <ScottK> BTW, if one accidentally cancels out the reboot required notification, it's gone and AFAICT stays gone.
[14:09] <apachelogger> ZFS: Zero File System. Suitable for applications needing to store zero or fewer gigabytes.
[14:09]  * apachelogger giggles
[14:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: there are two cancellations
[14:09] <ScottK> This could be considered a security issue, since until you reboot, you aren't running the new kernel and aren't protected by any fixes.
[14:09] <apachelogger> one being for this time and one permanent
[14:10] <apachelogger> lattter can be unset via a module somewhere in systemsettings
[14:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cancel the "Recent Notifications" thing and it's wiped out forever when you didn't even touch it.
[14:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: that would be former
[14:10] <ScottK> Which is most highly not desired behavior.
[14:10] <ScottK> Don't think so.
[14:11] <apachelogger> sure it is
[14:11]  * ScottK never saw it come back after that.
[14:11] <apachelogger> you cancelled all recent notification
[14:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: it will only come back once the reboot marker file was touched again
[14:12] <ScottK> Right, which is a regression.
[14:12] <apachelogger> is it?
[14:12] <ScottK> Before, persistent really meant persistent.
[14:12] <apachelogger> that you will have to discuss with upstream then
[14:12] <ScottK> When we had the icon in the tray it was always there until you rebooted.
[14:12] <apachelogger> well
[14:12] <apachelogger> that is silly too
[14:12] <apachelogger> what I would like to have is that it reoccurs everytime dpkg gets executed
[14:13] <apachelogger> or even better yet, everytime the cache gets updated
[14:13] <apachelogger> because that makes the notification more nagging
[14:13] <ScottK> I think before it was good.
[14:13] <apachelogger> and as you pointed out not rebooting is a potential security issue
[14:13] <ScottK> Now it's both more anoying and less effective.
[14:13] <apachelogger> so you want that particular notification to be super annoying
[14:13] <ScottK> I think you want it to be super persistent, not super annoying.
[14:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, we cant add the statusnotifier stuff at this point
[14:14] <ScottK> presumably if they don't reboot right away, there's a reason.
[14:14] <apachelogger> too much a risk of breakage + it breaks UI freeze quite a bit
[14:14] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:14] <apachelogger> + string freeze most likely
[14:14] <apachelogger> but I will see that statusnotifier lands in maverick ASAP
[14:14] <ScottK> Why we had to emulate the single most annoying thing Ayatana has done for Ubuntu, I have no idea.
[14:15] <apachelogger> actually it is the kpk appraoch of doing things
[14:15] <ScottK> I'd rather have had their notifications than this intermittent update notification stuff.
[14:15] <apachelogger> and someone claimed it is upstream's plan
[14:15] <ScottK> Broken by design.
[14:16] <ScottK> It both doesn't tell me I have updates when I do and then thinks to tell me I have them when I've already installed them.
[14:16] <apachelogger> while indeed that was not true at all, as I understand it, and what I want knh to do for maverick is drop a notification that is non-persistent AND show a statusnotifier
[14:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please give an option to turn off the notification then.
[14:17] <apachelogger> well, it is already there ;)
[14:17] <apachelogger> that ignore foreverever option in the notification
[14:17] <ScottK> OK.
[14:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's after the first one.
[14:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:17] <apachelogger> the KCM just needs a setting to switcht them all off at once
[14:17] <apachelogger> s/setting/button
[14:17] <ScottK> I think the statusnotifier is sufficient and would like to be able to not be bothered by the first one.
[14:17] <apachelogger> s/button/checkbox
[14:18] <evilshadeslayer> oh my
[14:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's a workspace update in my PPA that, I think, fixes the overlapping panel problem on netbook.  Would you be able to test it?
[14:19] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/Z9lfDkY.html
[14:20] <evilshadeslayer> bbl
[14:28] <txwikinger> How can I switch off the screensaver in lucid?
[14:29] <apachelogger> txwikinger: via the settings
[14:29] <txwikinger> Does not work apachelogger
[14:30] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: very nice
[14:30] <apachelogger> txwikinger: are you sure you are experiencing a screensaver?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> could I get a core-dev sponsor for http://pastebin.com/CkJ0HExf ? (Adds an explicit dependency on policykit-1, plus updates debian/copyright)
[14:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: are you all updated? there was bug 554069
[14:32] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Yeah.. it is the random screen saver that always starts up
[14:33] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:33] <apachelogger> dont have no screensavers here
[14:33] <txwikinger> I even switched into presentation mode and took off the screen saving options in all other profiles
[14:33] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I mean... in the screensaver  settings themselfs
[14:37] <txwikinger> apachelogger: It seems to be the bug
[14:37] <apachelogger> awesome
[14:37] <apachelogger> my knm is broken
[14:37] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:38] <apachelogger> there goes my good mood
[14:38] <txwikinger> I will see.. I have killed the process and upgraded the package
[14:38] <apachelogger> wow
[14:38] <apachelogger> not even ethernet works
[14:39] <apachelogger> network manager is so awesome it always makes me wonder how much more awesome software can be
[14:39] <txwikinger> I have a problem with network being started after desktop login
[14:40] <txwikinger> It creates some unresolvable dependencies with packages
[14:41] <txwikinger> how can you login with ldap server authentication if you have no network yet
[14:42] <txwikinger> or mount your home drive from a server
[14:43] <apachelogger> you are not supposed to
[14:43] <apachelogger> network manager was not inveted for useful things
[14:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I cant test, network is completely broken
[14:54] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is this a known notification bug? http://imagebin.ca/view/duuma3Y.html
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I've seen it before. Not much we can do about it from knh though
[14:55] <amichair> JontheEchidna: it's upstream? known?
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> let me check if it's known
[14:56] <txwikinger> Everytime I upgrade the weather widget does not work anymore
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> bug 219670
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> um
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 219670
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's slightly different
[14:58] <amichair> yeah, it's the complement of this bug
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 215346
[15:00] <amichair> That one looks related.  Maybe I'll add my screenshot to it
[15:04] <amichair> JontheEchidna: 10x
[15:05] <amichair> JontheEchidna: btw did u get around to checking the knh const iterator fixes I made?
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> amichair: is there a branch I can check?
[15:06] <amichair> JontheEchidna: https://code.launchpad.net/~amichai2/kubuntu-notification-helper/fixes
[15:07] <amichair> needs a bit of testing the various notifications to make sure it's ok, though as far as I can tell it's semantically equivalent
[15:07] <amichair> (I tend to opt for the safe side...)
[15:09] <amichair> this should prevent crahes like the one nixternal had but with the other notification types (and also a bit more optimized)
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> k, I'll do some testing then
[15:10] <amichair> JontheEchidna: you're a hellofa helpful fella ;-)
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> amichair: looks like hooks and codec install still work here
[15:18] <amichair> goody :-)
[15:37]  * ryanakca sighs and wonders why a DSC built in the sid chroot is lintian clean but one built in a lucid chroot isn't
[15:38] <ryanakca> Kobby built in lucid fails on: 'E: kobby: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/kobby /usr/lib' and 'E: kobby: lzma-deb-archive' ... but not for sid. Any ideas on the causes? My lucid chroot is up to date.
[15:39] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we compress our kde packages with lzma and I think we do not strip rpath no more
[15:40] <ScottK> Why don't we strip the archive.
[15:40] <ScottK> archive/rpath
[15:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: I wouldnt know
[15:41] <apachelogger> bit there is a build switch for it IIRC, and jr at some point said that we dont build without rpath anymore
[15:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: If we don't, someone should fix lintian in Ubuntu.
[15:42] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the complaint is valid
[15:42] <ScottK> OK.  I"ll ask him.
[15:42] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Well, it should be extended to say that this can be ignored for Ubuntu packages or something of the sort
[15:42] <ryanakca> ScottK: Hold off on the sync/ffe until it gets figured out?
[15:43] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is not the case
[15:43] <ScottK> ryanakca: No.   Go ahead.
[15:43] <apachelogger> + it would break existing translations
[15:49] <ryanakca> ScottK: Also, is there any need to keep libqinfinity1 in the archives (nothing uses libqinfinity apart from Kobby AFAIK), or will it disappear shortly?
[15:53] <ScottK> ryanakca: Once Kobby is uploaded it will go away semi-automatically.
[15:53] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK
[15:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: You can see here it's the only rdepend: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libqinfinity1
[15:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: And then once that's gone, libinfinity-0.3.0 can go too: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libinfinity-0.3-0
[15:54] <ryanakca> Cool
[15:59] <ScottK> debfx: I've verified reverting in both the display kcm and krandrtray are working now.  Very cool.  Thanks again.
[16:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: do you think we should land taglib 1.6.2?
[16:15] <apachelogger> has some interesting changes
[16:15]  * ScottK has no opinion.
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> it has a nice memleak fix0r
[16:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:17]  * apachelogger woud either cherry pick that or push 1.6.2
[16:18]  * apachelogger also notes that taglib hasn't had much regressions in his history
[16:49] <ScottK> apachelogger or JontheEchidna: Any ideas what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/557930/comments/12
[16:50] <ScottK> It seems Riddell's efforts to restore failsafe X weren't complete.
[16:51] <apachelogger> failsafe X made X fail, classic one
[16:51] <ScottK> Yeah, so seems like something your awesomeness could whip out a fix for in no time.
[16:53] <apachelogger> my awesomeness stated yesterday that I shall not do no development until api.kde.org
[16:53] <apachelogger> since that is not the case I doubt I will even click on that url :P
[16:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, btw, cant remember you mentioned that, but language-selector needs a search wiedget
[16:54] <apachelogger> widget
[16:54] <apachelogger> KDE got quite cool stock widgets for all sorts of list-like widgets
[16:54] <apachelogger> also, I think it should become more like the ktimezone widget in the plasma clock's config
[16:56] <apachelogger> adding a search to the date&time kcm's ktimezone widget was like 1 include and 1 sloc ^^
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'm afraid not
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ya, already in the SoC proposal ;)
[16:58] <apachelogger> kk
[17:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 363624 is the valid
[17:03] <apachelogger> perfeclty reproducable with german
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> :(
[17:04]  * ryanakca curses and wonders why Kobby 1.0~beta5-2 crashes a second after I start an infinoted server from the command line, but kobby 1.0~beta5-1 didn't.
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> you'd think it was written in python
[17:04] <apachelogger> maybe it was
[17:04] <apachelogger> then botconverted to cpp
[17:04] <apachelogger> and then you get that
[17:05] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[17:05] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[17:05] <apachelogger> I hink I know ^^
[17:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that message is most likely coming from mount directly
[17:06] <apachelogger> so there is probably som bogus or missing encoding conversion going on
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> life would be so much easier if everybody just used QString()
[17:07] <apachelogger> weeeh
[17:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: checkout the readme
[17:07] <apachelogger> runtime/kioslaves/floppy
[17:07]  * Mamarok shakes her head at this siren sound coming from this channel, that hurt!
[17:07] <apachelogger> well, we are working here :P
[17:07] <apachelogger> everyone must know
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> "this is an ioslave for KDE 2/3...."
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> lulz
[17:08]  * apachelogger got yesterday thrown out of #ubuntu because he was dragging around bug corps again
[17:08] <apachelogger> no appreciation for bug hunters
[17:08] <apachelogger> horrible
[17:08] <apachelogger> really :(
[17:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the sentence following that is proofing me right
[17:09] <apachelogger> not that someone like me needs proof of anything :P
[17:09] <apachelogger> my work here is done
[17:10]  * apachelogger leaves the rest to JontheEchidna, hands Mamarok a cookie and a cup of tea, gets some tea for himself and enjoys the strange weather
[17:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, it is using qstring
[17:12] <apachelogger> seems it just needs to do some funny encoding conversion
[17:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: or maybe it is not coming from the slave at all :S
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> :S
[17:25] <apachelogger> no
[17:25] <apachelogger> that is coming from either hal, or solid, or dolphin, or some patch we apply somewhere
[17:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: either hal or solid
[17:31] <apachelogger> cant get no kde debug messages from all that
[17:36] <apachelogger> dont get no error on hal
[17:36] <apachelogger> kernel however properly glots the faile dIO
[17:36] <apachelogger> *failed IO
[17:37] <apachelogger> now either whatever tries this mount is very very very undebugable or it just hates me
[17:42] <apachelogger> ha
[17:42] <apachelogger> plymouth theme looks funny in vm
[17:42] <apachelogger> I wonder if it looks like that on nvidia
[17:42] <apachelogger> got something artistic to it ^^
[17:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lucid message is more useful, it defenitely is solid or hal, in precise it refers to the UnknownFailure signal from hal
[17:49] <apachelogger> it doesnt seem that the mount error is translated though
[17:49]  * apachelogger installs to check again
[17:49] <apachelogger> did I mention that I do not think the ubiqiuty icon very installer-like?
[17:51] <debfx> has anyone else noticed that System Settings and KPackageKit are sometimes missing from the Computer menu in kickoff?
[17:51] <debfx> this patch seems to fix it but i'm not completely sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/412666/
[17:52] <apachelogger> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=86955
[17:53] <apachelogger> kde bug 232729
[17:53] <apachelogger> lp bug 550763
[17:54] <apachelogger> http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=15638
[17:54] <apachelogger> debfx: most proofing ^
[17:54] <apachelogger> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110800.0
[17:55] <apachelogger> oh :(
[17:55] <apachelogger> ubiquity is stil a cpu hog
[17:55] <apachelogger> :(
[17:55]  * ScottK has some more workspace changes, so please don't upload workspace again (yet)
[17:56] <apachelogger> debfx: I would poke someone in #plasma
[17:57] <debfx> apachelogger: ah thanks, could you set that lp bug to confirmed?
[17:58] <apachelogger> debfx: needs to be fixed upstream :P
[17:58] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I talked to lure and upstream, they recommend to ship kipi and digikam 1.2 with lucid. Do you think this is possible?
[17:58] <apachelogger> neversfelde: needs feature freeze exception, string freeze exception and ui freeze exception I suppose
[17:59] <apachelogger> other than that it shouldnt be a prob
[17:59] <apachelogger> better than have broken digikam, like we had in karmic
[17:59] <neversfelde> ok, I will try to get the exceptions
[18:00] <apachelogger> woosh
[18:00] <debfx> apachelogger: if we are going to hide it from the settings menu we should make sure that it's displayed in the computer menu ;)
[18:01] <apachelogger> hm hm hm
[18:01]  * apachelogger goes reverting stuff in kds
[18:01] <apachelogger> debfx: it is in the favs by default :P
[18:01] <verbalshadow> apachelogger: did you get networkmanager working again?
[18:01] <apachelogger> no
[18:01]  * apachelogger didnt try
[18:01] <apachelogger> it shall go burn in hell
[18:01]  * apachelogger uses low level iftools now
[18:02] <verbalshadow> does the kde networking management work with wicd
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100411170519-smphf71onzjzcgcf kubuntu-default-settings/ (share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc debian/changelog): (log message trimmed)
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Remove kglobalshortcutsrc:
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  + Amarok shortcut changes break compability with upstream, with previous
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  releases and with keyboards that have no media keys (chances are higher
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  you got a windows key than fancy media keys) LP: #560773
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  + The KWin shortcuts do not work (as per some bug report we won'tfixed
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  because upstream thinks kwin uses too many shortcuts already and app devs
[18:06] <verbalshadow> the only major issue i have with NM is sometime after coming out of standby it is disabled and you can't re-enable it with knetworkmanager so i have to use nm-applet
[18:10] <apachelogger> it is to be crying
[18:10] <apachelogger> bug 560527
[18:11] <apachelogger> what is that supposed to be
[18:11]  * ScottK can't replicate the overlapping widget problem now.
[18:12]  * apachelogger is still installing
[18:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:12] <apachelogger> not even through the installer
[18:12] <apachelogger> oh
[18:12] <apachelogger> and crappy music
[18:12]  * apachelogger goes mad and deletes all that junk
[18:14] <apachelogger> ...
[18:14] <apachelogger> and then amarok hung
[18:14] <apachelogger> ...
[18:15] <apachelogger> and then apachelogger became even more angry than the network manager incident had made him already and threatens to eat kittens if this doesnt stop
[18:15] <ScottK> Of course as soon as I mark the bug incomplete, it happens again.
[18:16] <apachelogger> oh my :(
[18:16]  * apachelogger waves good bye to amarok
[18:16] <apachelogger> markey: amarok does the crashy crashy when you delete junk via the collection widget
[18:17] <apachelogger> fortunately enough ubuntu is using apport so I cant get a sensible backtrace for you
[18:17] <apachelogger> I am sure you dont need one, if ubuntu doesnt, why would you
[19:01] <apachelogger> how unfortunate
[19:01] <apachelogger> I told ubiquity it should skip downloading langpacks
[19:01] <apachelogger> and now I dont see it anymore
[19:02] <apachelogger> No one likes me, not even ubiquity :'(
[19:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: please accept the invitation for the kc.
[19:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: I like you :D
[19:08] <apachelogger> :)
[19:09] <apachelogger> jussi01: only jr is admin
[19:09] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok.
[19:09] <apachelogger> I'll poke him should he ever return
[19:09] <lex79> what boredom with xscreensaver package
[19:10] <apachelogger> all of a sudden it was super important that it autostarted
[19:10] <apachelogger> 6 years no one gave a shit
[19:10]  * apachelogger is annoyed by that madness TBH
[19:11] <apachelogger> neither did anyone bother to read the changelog
[19:11] <lex79> nope
[19:12] <apachelogger> oh, right, and upstream KDE refuses to update the kde-l10n-sv package so it FTBFS
[19:12] <apachelogger> I suppose there will be no kde-l10n-sv package of decent version in lucid
[19:14]  * apachelogger sighs and continues cleaning up his collection
[19:18]  * ScottK wonders how the xscreensaver package is installed at all.
[19:18]  * ScottK thinks it should not be.
[19:19] <ScottK> Then whoever installs it probably wants it started.
[19:19] <apachelogger> I think it is dep of quite some stuff
[19:20] <apachelogger> at the very least it will get in by installing an addtional -desktop thingy
[19:20] <apachelogger> Like for example Xubuntu
[19:20] <apachelogger> Of course in those cases it is still not desired to have it autostart when the user really uses another screensaver implementation.
[19:21] <apachelogger> And there is the technical problem. Currently you don't know what the user wants to use.
[19:23] <ScottK> Fair enough
[19:24]  * ScottK wonders if debfx is up for teaching currentappcontrol in plasma/netbook (workspace) not to go nuts and over fill the netbook panel?
[19:24]  * apachelogger quite frankly does not get why every other screensaver implementation is opt-in while xscreensaver should be opt-out though
[19:25] <ScottK> True.
[19:25] <ScottK> debfx: If the answer is yes, Bug #540324 is the reference.
[19:26] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks for the cookie :) I just have to get fresh tea now, sadly was AFK and it's cold now
[19:26] <apachelogger> :)
[19:28] <ScottK> Tm_T: Would you please retest powerpc Live CD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20100411/ - the desktop should look right now.
[19:34] <Tm_T> ScottK: will do
[20:11] <lex79> apachelogger: what is opt-in and opt-out? :(
[20:13] <ghostcube_maemo> o/
[20:49] <apachelogger> lex79: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060901171635AAeQGNq
[20:51] <lex79> oh
[20:51] <lex79> thanks
[21:00]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell
[21:01] <Tm_T> ScottK: works beautifully
[21:02] <Riddell> good evening Tm_T
[21:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: so, now we have working PPC livecd (:)
[21:05] <debfx> ScottK: to me it looks like the activity bar applet won't get smaller
[21:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: awooga
[21:07]  * Tm_T huggles ScottK
[21:07] <Tm_T> now I have to go to sleep, good night everyone
[21:08] <ScottK> debfx: Any idea how to fix it?
[21:11] <debfx> ScottK: not yet
[21:12] <ScottK> It'd be cool if you could figure it out.  That's the biggest usability issue with Kubunt Netbook at the moment.
[21:19] <debfx> is there a way to parallel build kdebase-workspace?
[21:24] <lex79> apachelogger: if we don't want fix bug 553462
[21:24] <lex79> can you write your thoughts to explain why we don't want fix, please?
[21:29]  * apachelogger waves to Riddell
[21:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu-council team should have gotten an invitation jussi01 mentioned
[21:29] <jussi01> apachelogger: 3 of them...
[21:30] <apachelogger> oh my ^^
[21:30] <apachelogger> lex79: now, do I really have to ? :/
[21:30] <apachelogger> lex79: didnt I wontfix at some point?
[21:30]  * apachelogger seems to remember something like this
[21:31] <lex79> yeah, you really have to becuase they continue to ask me if we want fix
[21:31] <lex79> they want that package into cd
[21:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: an invitation?  to a party?
[21:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: unfortunately not, but to some IRC op magic stuff on launchpad :)
[21:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: also see the mail I sent sometime yesterday
[21:32] <maco> Riddell: should we be calling it e-post instead of e-mail for you?
[21:32]  * maco ducks
[21:33] <apachelogger> hm, someone needs to explain me that one some time
[21:34] <apachelogger> lex79: or did I just say that it is a phony idea?
[21:34]  * apachelogger is not sleeping enough and cant remember things that he might have done 10 days ago :(
[21:35] <maco> apachelogger: british people send letters in the post.  americans send letters in the mail.  Riddell is british.
[21:35] <lex79> apachelogger: well, you can say is a phony idea and we will find a solution for maverick :P
[21:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: just to be confusing we use Royal Mail to send our post while they use US Postal Service to send their mail
[21:35] <apachelogger> maco: Riddell is scottish very much I am sure
[21:36] <maco> apachelogger: scotland is in britain
[21:36] <maco> Riddell would add "for now" i think
[21:36]  * apachelogger is with Riddell on that :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: makes perfect sense Oo
[21:36] <apachelogger> I suppose
[21:36] <maco> Riddell: did you see yesterday's Doctor Who?
[21:36] <apachelogger> lex79: well, I do find it is and I dont think we will
[21:36] <maco> there's a joke about uk v. scotland in it
[21:37] <apachelogger> lex79: that issue is on our todo for 5 years or so
[21:37] <apachelogger> lex79: I think we even had it spec'd up at some point
[21:37] <apachelogger> just not resolved :(
[21:37] <lex79> apachelogger: or we can add that package into cd :P and stop to make users annoying
[21:37] <apachelogger> no
[21:38] <lex79> apachelogger: it was in todo list in karmic and lucid afaik
[21:38] <apachelogger> because the underlying implementation is partially borken and crap
[21:38] <apachelogger> it would only unleash a billion more reports
[21:38] <lex79> ok
[21:38] <apachelogger> if anything then we should patch the sharing tab away unless the KCM is installed
[21:38] <apachelogger> which is something that should be done upstream to begin with
[21:38] <apachelogger> ...see
[21:38] <apachelogger> broken
[21:39] <Riddell> maco: I did not no
[21:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:39] <apachelogger> :O
[21:39] <apachelogger> omg
[21:39] <maco> Riddell: pm
[21:39]  * apachelogger is disappointed in Riddell :(
[21:39]  * maco saw it
[21:39] <apachelogger> maco++
[21:41] <apachelogger> anyone wanna package grantlee?
[21:42] <apachelogger> lex79: cant you just close the bug and say that we dont like filesharing?
[21:42] <lex79> buahah :D
[21:43] <lex79> ok I will do
[21:43] <apachelogger> lex79: Better yet, say our legal department advised us not implement filesharing by default ;)
[21:43] <lex79> omg
[21:43] <apachelogger> I already see the replies ^^
[21:43] <apachelogger> "but that is not illegal!!! :("
[21:43] <apachelogger> "so why is it in ubuntu?"
[21:43] <apachelogger> "but mimimi"
[21:43]  * apachelogger always wondered how to pronounce that
[21:44] <apachelogger> http://phj.at/mimimi.jpg
[21:44] <lex79> LoL
[21:44] <apachelogger> It must be jolly hard to get the perfect mimimi sound really.
[21:47] <apachelogger> hm.
[21:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: On latest lucid Amarok is restoring from tray to a rathrer odd and small size, I didn't notice this before, could this be because of some Kubuntu change?
[21:50] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the default size at first start is tiny, I was also wondering. So are the font sizes, tiny, I changed everything to 9, the default 8 was too small on this screen
[21:50] <Mamarok> but I have a huge resolution on this laptop
[21:51] <apachelogger> well, I am on dual head
[21:51] <Mamarok> 1920x1200
[21:51] <apachelogger> Still, when restoring it should restore to the previous size it had, not the default size.
[21:52] <apachelogger> And given that I did not notice this before, it probably did so, until I wiped my data today *shrug*.
[21:52] <Mamarok> I think that is a Qt bug, not specific to Kubuntu, but ask markey, he knows better
[21:52] <apachelogger> markey: ^
[21:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball shall I make coffee?
[21:52]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... yes
[21:52] <apachelogger> cool
[21:53] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the git version restores correctly here
[22:43] <apachelogger> lex79: I just lol'd because of Malte's very true comment ;)
[22:53] <apachelogger> it seems its not rekonq that eats my X, it is webkit
[22:53]  * apachelogger switches konqueror to khtml
[22:54] <debfx> ScottK: I've attached a patch on bug #540324
[23:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/apachelogger/t127083720323
[23:16] <jussi01> hrrr
[23:16] <jussi01> something is borked...
[23:16] <jussi01> or Im doing it wrong,
[23:16] <jussi01> jussi@Galaxy:~/Downloads$ wine "Spotify Installer.exe"
[23:16] <jussi01> Warning: could not find DOS drive for current working directory '/home/jussi/Downloads', starting in the Windows directory.
[23:16] <jussi01> wine: cannot find 'Spotify Installer.exe'
[23:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: from that message I would suppose that your wine cfg is busted an that your home is not represented as a drive inside wine, hence it can then not access the exe
[23:19] <apachelogger> that is however just an assumption and #wine will probably know better ^^
[23:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: let me look...
[23:19] <apachelogger> anyone up for uno?
[23:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 1
[23:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: theres a decent game of wolfie going atm (or there was)
[23:20] <apachelogger> I do lik UNO better anyway :)
[23:20] <apachelogger> s/lik/like
[23:21] <jussi01> apachelogger: fixed, thanks
[23:21] <jussi01> (the autodetect is very cool)
[23:21] <apachelogger> magic
[23:21] <apachelogger> oh dear
[23:22]  * apachelogger needs to repatch akonadi
[23:22] <jussi01> apachelogger: can you sync something for me?
[23:22] <apachelogger> jussi01: sync?
[23:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: are we allowed to pull things from debian still?
[23:23] <jussi01> !info qutecom
[23:23] <apachelogger> Only canonical archive admins can do syncing.
[23:23] <jussi01> !info qutecom unstable
[23:23] <apachelogger> !info qutecom lucid
[23:24] <jussi01> whoops
[23:24] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, you'd need to file a sync request ;)
[23:24] <apachelogger> Have a MOTU ACK it. Then get Riddell to execute the sync.
[23:25] <jussi01> apachelogger: I dont remember what needs tobe in that. have you a nice link for me?
[23:25] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[23:25]  * apachelogger got all them fancy lynx ^^
[23:25] <apachelogger> oh right
[23:25] <jussi01> :D
[23:25] <lex79> apachelogger: Malt must become kubuntu-developer with immediate effect :D
[23:25] <apachelogger> you need a freeze exeception too
[23:25] <apachelogger> Though.
[23:26] <jussi01> apachelogger: not worth it. the changes arent that huge
[23:26] <apachelogger> You can probably get that along the sync request, since jr can give exceptions.
[23:26] <apachelogger> jussi01: oh, ok
[23:26] <lex79> apachelogger: that bug report seems a war now :)
[23:26] <jussi01> apachelogger: and it works at the moment, which is positive
[23:28] <apachelogger> lex79: You could actually try recruiting him. And I think it became a war field when I uploaded, because I said earlier, no one likes me.
[23:28] <apachelogger> jussi01: God knows for how long ;)
[23:29] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[23:30] <apachelogger> Well. If it it was like your l10n, then every hour of the day, there is a 3.82% chance of breakage...
[23:31] <jussi01> hahahah
[23:32] <apachelogger> Like every upload of kdelibs in KDE 3 times had a 86.22% chance of failing to build in a new fancy way, with a new fancy message so that all that is depending on it breask in the a new fancy way and you almost wet yourself because you just broke all of Kubuntu.
[23:34] <apachelogger> claydoh: \o/
[23:34] <claydoh> apachelogger: ok, what did I do now ;)
[23:35] <apachelogger> nothing
[23:35] <apachelogger> but
[23:35] <apachelogger> jussi01, lex79, claydoh: how about a round of uno?
[23:35] <jussi01> apachelogger: ahhh fine
[23:35] <claydoh> ok what was I supposed to do that I didn't?
[23:35] <jussi01> #uno?
[23:35] <lex79> no for me thanks :)
[23:35]  * apachelogger pokes lex79
[23:35] <apachelogger> imbrandon: o/
[23:35] <apachelogger> jussi01: in here ;)
[23:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno
[23:35] <kubotu> Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in
[23:35] <jussi01> o.O
[23:35] <imbrandon> apachelogger, ello
[23:36] <apachelogger> imbrandon: type ... jo
[23:36] <apachelogger> we are playing uno ;)
[23:36] <claydoh> jo
[23:36] <kubotu> claydoh joins this game of UNO!
[23:36] <jussi01> jo
[23:36] <kubotu> jussi01 joins this game of UNO!
[23:36] <kubotu> game will start in 20 seconds
[23:36] <imbrandon> hehe, not atm, in a few maybe
[23:36] <apachelogger> kk ^^
[23:36]  * apachelogger pokes lex79
[23:36] <maco> jo
[23:36] <kubotu> maco joins this game of UNO!
[23:36] <lex79> apachelogger: I can't now :(
[23:36] <apachelogger> yay
[23:36] <kubotu> UNO! playing turn: claydoh jussi01 maco
[23:36] <kubotu> claydoh deals the first card from the stock
[23:36] <kubotu> Current discard:  Red 5
[23:36] <kubotu> it's jussi01's turn
[23:36] <maco> woah it sent me cards!
[23:37] <jussi01> so how?
[23:37] <apachelogger> jussi01: kubotu queried you with your cards
[23:37] <apachelogger> help
[23:37] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno
[23:37] <kubotu> UNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to
[23:37] <kubotu> select Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is.
[23:37] <jussi01> pl red skip
[23:37] <kubotu> what cards were that again?
[23:37] <claydoh> ok its too hard already :)
[23:38] <apachelogger> jussi01: rs
[23:38] <jussi01> pl rs
[23:38] <kubotu> jussi01 plays  Red Skip
[23:38] <kubotu> maco skips a turn!
[23:38] <kubotu> it's claydoh's turn
[23:38] <claydoh> ca
[23:38] <kubotu> claydoh: 7, jussi01: 6, maco: 7
[23:38] <apachelogger> oh
[23:38] <apachelogger> jo
[23:38] <kubotu> apachelogger joins this game of UNO!
[23:38] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:38] <apachelogger> I was already wondering
[23:38] <jussi01> lol
[23:38] <maco> ooh it tells us how many cards we have
[23:38] <maco> when it says 1 we have to say uno though right? or do we have to do it before it gets to it?
[23:39] <txwikinger> apachelogger: It was the bug.. screensaver is off now
[23:39] <apachelogger> you dont need to I tink
[23:39] <crimsun> geez you people don't have enough bugs to squash :-)
[23:39] <maco> wait is uno a bluffing game too?
[23:39] <imbrandon> lol
[23:39] <txwikinger> uno?
[23:39] <jussi01> crimsun: its sunday :P
[23:39] <apachelogger> txwikinger: please comment, so that the XFCE guys stop beating on my sponsors
[23:39] <apachelogger> txwikinger: type jo
[23:39] <claydoh> help uno rules
[23:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno rules
[23:39] <kubotu> play all your cards, one at a time, by matching either the color or the value of the currently discarded card. cards with special effects: Skip (next player skips a turn), Reverse (reverses the playing order), +2 (next player has to take 2 cards). Wilds can be played on any card, and you must specify the color for the next card. Wild +4 also forces the next player to take 4 cards, but it can only be played if you can't
[23:39] <kubotu> play a color card. you can play another +2 or +4 card on a +2 card, and a +4 on a +4, forcing the first player who can't play one to pick the cumulative sum of all cards. you can also play a Reverse on a +2 or +4, bouncing the effect back to the previous player (that now comes next).
[23:39] <maco> actually i shoul stuff for physics exam tomorrow
[23:39] <txwikinger> comment on what apachelogger
[23:40] <apachelogger> txwikinger: the bug report
[23:40] <crimsun> jussi01: what difference does that make? :-)
[23:40] <txwikinger> apachelogger: ok
[23:40]  * persia sees this as a clear need for the #kubuntu-uno channel
[23:40] <apachelogger> tu
[23:40] <kubotu> it's claydoh's turn
[23:40] <claydoh> cd
[23:40] <kubotu> Current discard:  Red Skip
[23:40] <jussi01> persia: you are correct
[23:41] <jussi01> apachelogger: we should move this from the work channel
[23:41] <claydoh> skip
[23:41] <apachelogger> does anyone need to do work right now?
[23:41] <jussi01> and hai persia!
[23:41] <maco> oh there he is
[23:41] <apachelogger> claydoh: you must do pe
[23:41] <apachelogger> to pick a card
[23:41] <maco> i saw people talking to you and didnt see ya there, persia
[23:42] <claydoh> arg
[23:42] <claydoh> pe
[23:42] <kubotu> claydoh picks a card
[23:42] <txwikinger> as long as uno does not use mono!
[23:42] <apachelogger> claydoh: and now pa
[23:42] <apachelogger> to pass
[23:42] <imbrandon> :( /me likes mono
[23:42] <apachelogger> txwikinger: now that would be redundant
[23:42] <claydoh> pa
[23:42] <kubotu> claydoh passes turn
[23:42] <kubotu> it's jussi01's turn
[23:42] <jussi01> pl r6
[23:42] <kubotu> you don't have that card
[23:42] <jussi01> pl r7
[23:42] <kubotu> jussi01 plays  Red 7
[23:42] <kubotu> it's maco's turn
[23:42] <maco> pl r7
[23:42] <kubotu> maco plays  Red 7
[23:42] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[23:42] <txwikinger> imbrandon: It is not a matter of liking but a matter of legal risk
[23:42] <apachelogger> jussi01: should I file an off-by-one report against you ? ;)
[23:43] <apachelogger> pl w g
[23:43] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Wild
[23:43] <kubotu> color is now  Green
[23:43] <kubotu> it's claydoh's turn
[23:43]  * genii pops in and sees an Uno game in progress, makes more coffee
[23:43] <jussi01> apachelogger: you should file a "you need sleep" report
[23:43]  * apachelogger notes to do that after the game
[23:43] <claydoh> pl b0
[23:43] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[23:43] <apachelogger> genii: in stead of making coffee you could really join ;)
[23:43] <imbrandon> txwikinger, i know what you ment, but i dont see any risk :)
[23:44] <genii> apachelogger: Next game maybe
[23:44] <claydoh> ook how to quit?
[23:44] <maco> claydoh: green
[23:44] <claydoh> jo
[23:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: seriously though, after this game, can we have kubotu join something like #kubuntu-uno or #kubuntu-playtime ?
[23:44] <kubotu> you're already in the game, claydoh
[23:44] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno admin
[23:44] <kubotu> The game manager (the user that started the game) can execute the following commands to manage it: 'uno drop <user>' to drop a user from the game (any user can drop itself using 'uno drop'); 'uno replace <old> [with] <new>' to replace a player with someone else (useful in case of disconnects); 'uno transfer [to] <nick>' to transfer game ownership to someone else; 'uno end' to end the game before its natural completion
[23:44] <apachelogger> claydoh: uno drop to kubotu
[23:44] <txwikinger> imbrandon: the issue with the patents have not been vetted by any lawyer with patent experience yet
[23:44] <jussi01> uno drop jussi01
[23:45] <jussi01> kubotu: uno drop jussi01
[23:45] <kubotu> jussi01, you don't have 'uno::manage::drop::other' permissions here
[23:45] <txwikinger> There is quite a risk
[23:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno drop claydoh
[23:45] <kubotu> claydoh gives up this game of UNO!
[23:45] <apachelogger> tu
[23:45] <kubotu> it's jussi01's turn
[23:45] <maco> jussi01: dont say your name
[23:45] <jussi01> kubotu: uno drop
[23:45] <kubotu> jussi01 gives up this game of UNO!
[23:45] <apachelogger> pff
[23:45] <apachelogger> everyone is leaving the ship
[23:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno end
[23:45] <kubotu> UNO! game halted after 8 minutes and 43 seconds
[23:45] <kubotu> maco still had  Blue +2   Blue 2   Green 3   Green 6   Red 4   Yellow 3
[23:45] <kubotu> apachelogger still had  Blue +2   Blue 6   Green +2   Green 0   Wild +4   Yellow 9
[23:45] <imbrandon> txwikinger, they dont have to be, there is case law that uphold the "promises" MS made
[23:45] <jussi01> its sinkin
[23:46]  * apachelogger notes to not start games when the IRCC lord is around :P
[23:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[23:46] <txwikinger> imbrandon: Under which legal principle? Promises are not contracts an can be revoked at any time
[23:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: /join #kubuntu-playtime
[23:46] <persia> txwikinger: Depends on jurisdiction: in some jurisdictions verbal agreements are binding.
[23:47] <txwikinger> And as you can see re IBM it is often done
[23:47] <txwikinger> persia: Yes.. if there was a valid legal agreement, which a promise is not
[23:47] <txwikinger> a valid legal agreement requires consideration from both sides
[23:47] <imbrandon> txwikinger, yes they are, but they are also seen by courts as to their intention , e.g. let me find you the case where it was used in recent memory that i'm thinking about
[23:48] <txwikinger> imbrandon: Well there is a case of promisary estopple by Lord Denning (actually Master of the Roel at the time)
[23:48] <persia> txwikinger: Not everywhere, but this isn't the forum for it: ask your counsel regarding your jurisdiction, that of your counterparty, and any specific jurisdiction noted in any agreement :)
[23:48] <apachelogger> kubotu: join #kubuntu-playtime
[23:48]  * apachelogger comamnds everyone to join #kubuntu-playtime
[23:48] <txwikinger> persia: I have a law degree
[23:48] <apachelogger> especially DarkwingDuck :P
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: :P
[23:50] <imbrandon> txwikinger, and you dont take promisary estopple for what it is ? its been upheld many times over the years
[23:50] <apachelogger> txwikinger: #kubuntu-playtime
[23:50] <imbrandon> anyhow persia this prob isnth the place for the convo ;)
[23:50] <txwikinger> imbrandon: well there are cases after it for both
[23:50] <imbrandon> err persia is right*
[23:51] <txwikinger> and also, promisary estopple only applies for the past, it does not prevent a change of mind and notice and hence a change from then on
[23:51] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for the patch.  I'll give it a try.
[23:52] <imbrandon> there is one now in the courts , that envolves that actual promis and 2 of the patents from MS and MS was forced to drop those 2 ( of the 160 it was seeking from the defendant )
[23:52]  * txwikinger wonders where the ubuntu-legal channel is
[23:53] <txwikinger> imbrandon: jurisdiction? parties?
[23:55] <imbrandon> txwikinger, was looking it up when you said you had a law degree and knew about promisary estopple , lol, lemme look, the case was US and it was MS vs .....
[23:55] <imbrandon> lemme poke for it and i will query you with it, brb in a sec though, need a soda
[23:55] <txwikinger> imbrandon: thanks
[23:58] <txwikinger> In any way.. I think it would be difficult to rely on promisary estopple in all generality, since most people do not have an existing contract with MS
[23:59] <imbrandon> txwikinger, and even more arent covered by their patents :)
[23:59] <imbrandon> btw back ;)