[00:00] <penguin42> neon__: I've not tried the frglx drivers on lucid, (my hd4350 works with the open drivers) but someone before suggested sudo aticonfig --initial
[00:00] <ZeroKewl> im on ubutun 10.04 if that helps
[00:04] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain to me why not Chromium or Firefox stops if I am looping an ifninite loop inside it? (Accidently created a infinite loop in programming xD)
[00:06] <Zenker> is there a limewire equivalent for 10.04?
[00:07] <joejayM> anyone tried beta2 on eeepc900 hw? it seems to broken my wireless n sound
[00:07] <duffydack> I had to use aticonfig --initial to get it to work... directly after installing the fglrx driver
[00:08] <neon__> open drivers?
[00:08] <neon__> you mean the ones that get install using the restricted drivers dialog?
[00:09] <duffydack> restricted ones in hardware drivers
[00:09] <duffydack> the open one is just 'there'
[00:09] <psi_> caibre doent works, give a segmentation fault. :(
[00:11] <neon__> ic ok i guess i'll get by now with the open drivers thanks
[00:11] <SuperMiguel> any of you guys having issues with firefox working very slow in 10.04?
[00:13] <Zenker> is there an equivalent for limewire
[00:13] <joejayM> wifi n sound worked fine in beta1 now in beta2 its broken... for eee pc 900
[00:15] <SuperMiguel> Zenker, frostwire
[00:15] <SuperMiguel> no one?
[00:15] <SuperMiguel> any of you guys having issues with firefox working very slow in 10.04?
[00:15] <ZeroKewl> i know frostwire
[00:16] <Mulder> SuperMiguel, works fine for me
[00:16] <Mulder> SuperMiguel, where is the slowness coming in?
[00:16] <ZeroKewl> forstwire works fine u have to install java6 though
[00:16] <SuperMiguel> Mulder, loading sites
[00:16] <Mulder> SuperMiguel, nope, not a problem for me
[00:16] <joejayM> SuperMiguel, FF worked ok for me in beta1 but haven tried under beta2 yet due to wifi problem
[00:17] <Mulder> i did have a performance/stability issue but that was caused by me pushing xorgedgers
[00:18] <SuperMiguel> ummm
[00:18] <SuperMiguel> wonder why :S
[00:19] <Mulder> starcraft/broodwar sadly doesnt work properly in wine anymore due to new kms drivers
[00:19] <Mulder> oh well
[00:19] <laumonier1> hi there i have a problem since im on lucid now when im watching a video after a few minutes my screen becom full of color line and i cant do anything exept reboot. Does someone have the same problem? somebody could give me a piece of advise??thanks
[00:20] <Mulder> laumonier1, what graphics card?
[00:20] <Mulder> sounds like a video driver problem
[00:20] <laumonier1> ati radeon mobility x1700
[00:20] <Blue11> Mulder: that was gonna be my question
[00:20] <laumonier1> no problem on karmic
[00:20] <Blue11> laumonier1: old card?
[00:20] <laumonier1> 3 year
[00:20] <Zenker> is frostwire as good as limewire, like is it as fast/faster and can i still dl the same stuff?
[00:20] <Mulder> yeah, i think it's due to buggy ati drivers
[00:20] <Blue11> newer then my ati card -- I have some issues but not that
[00:20] <Mulder> well, either driver, or the drm, or the kms stuff
[00:21] <Blue11> laumonier1: what happens if you restart the gdm?
[00:21] <laumonier1> gdm?(im noob)
[00:21] <Blue11> laumonier1: graphic display manager -- have you tried a sudo service gdm restart
[00:21] <laumonier1> after graphic problem?
[00:22] <Blue11> well you'd have to enter that in a terminal window
[00:22] <Blue11> or do an alt+f2
[00:22] <Zenker> ok ill just try it out, but how do i get it its not in the software center ?
[00:22] <laumonier1> when i do ctrl alt f1 or other the problem is still here
[00:23] <Blue11> ahh
[00:23] <eldon> any of you all have issues with 10.04 booting up to the login screen, but the window doesn't show up, just sits with a purple backround? i can press the power button and the shutdown/restart/standyby window shows up
[00:23] <Blue11> laumonier1: what driver are you using?
[00:23] <laumonier1> radeon
[00:24] <laumonier1> basic driver
[00:24] <Blue11> laumonier1: ahh I am using the stock ati driver
[00:24] <Blue11> laumonier1: this is what I have:  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[00:25] <penguin42> oh, that's an OLD Radeon
[00:25] <Blue11> penguin42: quite old
[00:25] <Mulder> laumonier1, try ctrl alt f1, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[00:25] <Mulder> you will lose your current session
[00:25] <Blue11> Mulder: okay that works too
[00:25] <penguin42> Blue11: I had one similar that I could never quite get happy with 3d stuff
[00:25] <laumonier1> cant do anything because i see nothing after the problem
[00:25] <laumonier1> only color line which appears and dissapears very fast
[00:25] <Blue11> laumonier1: have you checked your x settings?
[00:25] <coc0nut> ctrl+alt+f1 should bring you to a terminal though
[00:26] <wer-ist-roger> hej everyone. My computer shows a black screen after booting into the system. I read some other posts about this problem. But nobody never relly fixed it
[00:26] <wer-ist-roger> or it was fixed by a newer kernel
[00:27] <wer-ist-roger> any body got the same problem and got to fix it?
[00:27] <penguin42> wer-ist-roger: What graphics card?
[00:27] <Blue11> wer-ist-roger: i had that problem a few weeks  back but they seemed to fix it.
[00:27] <Blue11> what kernel are you running?  Hint:  uname -a
[00:28] <wer-ist-roger> penguin42: ATI EES1000
[00:28] <penguin42> wer-ist-roger: Oh not come accross the EES stuff - try booting with radeon.modeset=0 on the kernel line
[00:28] <wer-ist-roger> Blue11: right now I'm running 32-19-generic. But I also tried server
[00:29] <Blue11> 32.19 is the latest --
[00:29] <wer-ist-roger> as a matter of fact I started with server and went to generic after having problems with graphic all the time
[00:29] <crimsun> penguin42: is blender a native pulse app?
[00:29] <Blue11> well server edition is mostly for command line operatons
[00:30] <Blue11> wer-ist-roger: where you don't really need x-windows
[00:30] <wer-ist-roger> Blue11: that's the reason why I switched to general. I'm running a server but need an X for one very important application
[00:30] <Blue11> wer-ist-roger: what's that?
[00:30] <Micc_> will my computer still boot with an older kernel after upgrading to 10.04 beta2 and linux-image-2.6.32-19-generic failed to install
[00:31] <penguin42> crimsun: Don't know; in it's package dependencies I don't see pulse but I do see libalut0 which is apparently an OpenAL implementation
[00:31] <Blue11> pulse audio is a piece
[00:31] <wer-ist-roger> Blue11: It is kind of complicated it has something to do with streaming a webcam for security reasons. But mostly it runs server systems (and even them run in a virtual maschine)
[00:32] <Blue11> wer-ist-roger: yeah that is beyond my knowledge level
[00:32] <DanaG> If you have specific issues with pulseaudio, file bugs on those issues.  Otherwise, it's just bashing or ranting. =þ
[00:32] <DanaG> oh yeah, try going to #radeon with those ATI issues.
[00:32] <crimsun> penguin42: hmph, openal-soft is already fixed, however. Can you check your verbose log?
[00:32] <Blue11> DanaG: have specific issues, I contacted them, nothing yet.
[00:32] <penguin42> crimsun: You mean rerun in log-level 4 again?
[00:32] <crimsun> Blue11: do you have patches for the issues you're experiencing with pulse?
[00:33] <crimsun> penguin42: yes
[00:33] <wer-ist-roger> basicly you don't have to worry about all those services of the system. Right now I just want to have running X
[00:33] <Blue11> crimsun: no -- I have to jiggle the digital volume control between songs, or the audio goes fritzy
[00:33] <crimsun> Blue11: please provide patches, thanks.
[00:33] <Blue11> crimsun: how can I?  I don't know how to fix that...
[00:34] <crimsun> Blue11: have you filed a bug report against alsa-base?
[00:34] <eldon> here's a piece, should i file a bug report on the fact that 32-18 is able to communicate with my usb hard drive, but 32-19 isn't? qosmio x305 laptop.
[00:34] <wer-ist-roger> penguin42: where do I have to type in modeset=0 ?
[00:34] <Blue11> crimsun: I did unless they removed it.
[00:34] <crimsun> Blue11: bug reports can't be removed. Which bug report did you file?
[00:34] <Micc_> I get this error when I try to apt-get install the linux kernel. Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic)
[00:34] <Blue11> crimsun let me see if I xcan find it brb
[00:34] <crimsun> eldon: I'd wait until later next week (e.g., Monday/Tuesday) after -20 is released
[00:34] <penguin42> wer-ist-roger: Get the grub menu by holding shift as your system boots and then edit the boot line of the kernel (I think it's e to get to edit) and then add radeon.modeset=0
[00:35] <eldon> thanks
[00:35] <crimsun> eldon: i.e., there isn't much point in testing with -19 since it's going to be superceded in a matter of hours/days
[00:35] <RPG-Master> OK, I have a bug to report
[00:36] <Blue11> crimsun: oh they closed one of them - the no volume control one - don't see the other one
[00:36] <crimsun> Blue11: which bug report?
[00:36] <penguin42> crimsun: paste.ubuntu.com/412345/
[00:37] <RPG-Master> When I push the little button on my trackpad, it turns off the pad, but it makes me click it 2 times to turn it back on, and then the light on my pad is orange (stands for off) so I have to push it one more time to make the light blue (on)
[00:37] <Blue11> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/538099  one of the issues
[00:37] <wer-ist-roger> penguin42: thx I will try this. I hope it works. But I have to wait about half an houre till I can test it
[00:37] <Blue11> i will see if I can refile and see what happens
[00:37] <penguin42> wer-ist-roger: No problem, it seems to have helped some ATI hd5xxx series users
[00:37] <RPG-Master> Anyone here using the beta on a laptop?
[00:38] <crimsun> Blue11: no need to refile
[00:38] <crimsun> Blue11: you've conflated two symptoms in that one bug report
[00:38] <wer-ist-roger> penguin42: even though I don't have a hd5xxx card I hope it will help
[00:38] <eldon> RPB-Master yes, x305 qosmio
[00:38] <crimsun> Blue11: "the volume control...never has an option to display" is one bug
[00:38] <penguin42> wer-ist-roger: I made the suggestion because perhaps it's a whole bunch of the ATI cards that kms shouldn't be touching
[00:39] <crimsun> Blue11: "...then the sound buzzes a lot" is a separate bug
[00:39] <crimsun> Blue11: one bug report per symptom, please
[00:40] <crimsun> penguin42: doesn't look like it's using the native route: Apr 11 00:33:34 major pulseaudio[1862]: client.c: Freed 48 "ALSA plug-in [blender-bin]"
[00:41] <crimsun> penguin42: do you have a custom openal-soft configuration file in /etc/ or ~/ ?
[00:42] <penguin42> crimsun: Any idea how to check if the one in /etc/openal is the package default?
[00:44] <penguin42> crimsun: The one that's there has all the active lines commented out including the one that sets driver order
[00:44] <crimsun> sha256sum /etc/openal/alsoft.conf
[00:44] <crimsun> 08e81baa4430e1afba439bdcad5ece04316a667764123d97e44f883e5dacd61b  /etc/openal/alsoft.conf
[00:44] <penguin42> yep, that matches
[00:44] <crimsun> it should be set to use pulse by default. Perhaps blender has a configuration option to set the output driver?
[00:46] <penguin42> crimsun: I've tried nuking my .blender
[00:46] <Blue11> wow firefox is having some issues gonna try opera
[00:46] <penguin42> crimsun: I seem to have a .libao which has in it the line default_driver=pulse so you would have thought that's right
[00:49] <sjd> hi. can someone help me with setting up the lucid themes in Karmic ?
[00:50] <autobot> sjd: System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[00:50] <crimsun> penguin42: ~/.libao != openal-soft
[00:50] <sjd> Sorry, I mean t install them.
[00:51] <penguin42> crimsun: Well I don't have any openal stuff in ~ at all - but still
[00:51] <crimsun> libao2 and libopenal1 are pretty different :-)
[00:51] <penguin42> ok
[00:52] <penguin42> crimsun: This bug isn't a biggy for me - it just struck me that something was going on
[00:52] <sjd> crimsun: do you have any pointers to setting up lucid themes to karmic? thanks!
[00:53] <crimsun> sjd: no, sorry, not my area
[00:53] <sjd> crimsun: alright. sorry
[00:54] <crimsun> penguin42: I'm not sure blender even has a native pulse backend
[00:54] <vinicius> hm, it's been 2 days now, and some of my purchased music are still being transfered to ubuntu one
[00:54] <penguin42> crimsun: I couldn't see any settings for it
[00:54] <Blue11> crimsun re;ported the bug don't have the bug number
[00:55] <crimsun> Blue11: eh? It should be obvious from the web page...
[00:55] <dodddummy> the colors are wrong when i play dvds.  is that a known issue?
[00:55] <crimsun> dodddummy: perhaps. Check the bug reports for your X.Org video driver.
[00:55] <Blue11> crimsun: I closed the browser, then tried to go back in after it, but I guess I have set opera up to keep to history
[00:55] <dodddummy> crimsun, about 5 different nvidia cards i've tried
[00:55] <crimsun> Blue11: which package did you file against?
[00:55] <Blue11> and it absolutely doesn't work on firefox
[00:56] <MBHAKM> crimsun: Is there any possibility to check via HDAAnlayzer  for bug#555978
[00:56] <crimsun> dodddummy: are you using nouveau or NVidia?
[00:56] <Blue11> crimsun: I said I didn't know, but it may be under indator appet
[00:56] <crimsun> MBHAKM: possibly, but I'm busy ATM
[00:56] <crimsun> MBHAKM: hda-emu is better
[00:56] <log|in> damnit
[00:56] <log|in> just killed my ubntu
[00:57] <Blue11> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/560387
[00:57] <log|in> again =/
[00:57] <log|in> ok so i had beta 1 indstalled
[00:57] <log|in> so i used konsole to update
[00:57] <dodddummy> crimsun, i guess that'd be a good thing to find out.  i forgout to look.
[00:57] <log|in> now when i boot ubntu my wifi wont work
[00:57] <log|in> any ideas why?
[00:57] <crimsun> Blue11: that's a sound driver bug
[00:58] <crimsun> Blue11: it's a known issue for the cs46xx cards
[00:58] <Blue11> crimsun: ahh didn't know that...
[00:58] <Blue11> thanks
[00:58] <bjsnider> dodddummy, is it that the red and blue are reversed?
[00:59] <MBHAKM> crimsum:once you are free, can you update in bug# how to test via hda-emu
[00:59] <log|in> anyone?
[01:00] <crimsun> MBHAKM: I'll try
[01:00] <dodddummy> bjsnider, i don't think so.  it's mostly black and white with a little color thrown in.
[01:01] <MBHAKM> crimsun:thanks
[01:09] <Micc> I just upgraded my laptop to 10.04 beta2, but it won't boot now.
[01:09] <Micc> It says error: unkown command 'LoadFont' then error: File not found
[01:10] <penguin42> what else does it say?
[01:10] <Micc> thats it, then it reboots.
[01:10] <polimatyu> I'm having some weird errors on boot, broken pipes.
[01:11] <Micc> I don't even see the grub menu anymore.
[01:11] <Micc> is there a way to force the grub menu?
[01:11] <penguin42> Micc: Hold down left shift right at the start
[01:11] <Micc> ok let me try that.
[01:13] <polimatyu> Also, the record your encryption passphrase dialog box is broken on a new install.
[01:14] <Micc> That doesn't do anything, same thing happens. unknown command 'loadfont'.
[01:15] <Micc> then error: file not found.
[01:15] <Micc> I get the windows boot loader first
[01:15] <Micc> where it shows windows 7 then ubuntu
[01:16] <penguin42> Micc: google suggests that's a grub problem and given that you had problems installing and setting up kernels I wonder if the two are related
[01:17] <Micc> I had a problem before this where the first kernel version wouldn't load. I would have to select the second one down.
[01:17] <Micc> Is there a way to repair grub with a recovery cd or somethign?
[01:18] <iconmefisto> !grub
[01:18] <iconmefisto> !grub2
[01:18] <penguin42> Micc: Is this machine an upgrade from karmic or something earlier
[01:18] <Micc> yes
[01:18] <Micc> 9.10
[01:19] <penguin42> was it a karmic fresh install or was it upgraded to karmic?
[01:19] <Zenker> im trying to install frostwire and i get this Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java6-jre. . i checked the software center and i do have openJDK java 6 runtime,  web start and the icedtea java plugin, what am i missing
[01:19] <Micc> penguin42, I think it was wubi or a fresh install
[01:20] <penguin42> Micc: If you dpkg -l grub    does the line start with un or ii ?
[01:20] <Micc> can I burn a 10.04 beta2 CD and install over the top without format and keep my files?
[01:20] <Micc> penguin42, I can't boot the machine now, so I can't run any commands like that.
[01:20] <penguin42> ah hmm
[01:20] <Zenker> Micc the best suggestion i have for u is to move your  files somewhere else temp, install , then move them back
[01:21] <Micc> theres nothing on there I couldn't manage to loose.
[01:21] <Micc> all my work is on servers and in svn.
[01:21] <Micc> I have a few notes, but thats no biggy.
[01:22] <penguin42> Micc: It sounds like me that your grub config files are rather corrupt somehow; you might be able to fix them by looking in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /etc/grub if you can mount htem with a rescue cd
[01:22] <Zenker> another suggestion, use ubuntu one to ul them, then dl them later
[01:22] <penguin42> Micc: Alternatively I wonder if you're machine is actuallly still running grub 1 (grub 0.97-blah) in which no wonder it doesn't like a new config file
[01:22] <Micc> Zenker, at the moment I can't start the system, so thats not an option.
[01:23] <Micc> penguin42, I remember seeing it run grub and install windows7 and ubuntu multiple images.
[01:25]  * penguin42 goes to bed
[01:26] <Scunizi> Java Console is no longer supported in FireFox but one of my work sites requires it.. Is there a way around this issue?
[01:26] <antistrange> anyone here know how to get an elantech touchpad working correctly (it's identified as ps2 wheel mouse) multitouch works but unconfigurable
[01:26] <iconmefisto> Micc: do you see the splash? or just the error message
[01:26] <Micc> just the error message, no menu even.
[01:26] <antistrange> bug#512192 explains it in more detail
[01:26] <bezdomni> I just upgraded to 10.4 and the LED (or laser or whatever it is in there that emits a bright red light) is on for no reason.
[01:26] <bezdomni> Is this a kernel issue?
[01:27] <crimsun> which LED?
[01:27] <bezdomni> Is there more than one LED in my headphone jack?
[01:27] <Zenker> im trying to install frostwire and i get this Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java6-jre. . i checked the software center and i do have openJDK java 6 runtime, web start and the icedtea java plugin, what am i missing
[01:27] <crimsun> bezdomni: yes, that's a linux issue. Please use linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev. A reboot is necessary.
[01:27] <bezdomni> It's the headphone jack on my Macbook Pro (running 10.4) that won't turn off.
[01:27] <bezdomni> I've reboot twice.
[01:28] <aprilhare> hello
[01:28] <bezdomni> And then I shut down, and then turned the power back on.
[01:28] <crimsun> bezdomni: please read the above instructions.
[01:28] <bezdomni> Ok.
[01:28] <bezdomni> crimsun: Oh, I get what you're saying. Thanks!
[01:28] <aprilhare> i just upgraded to lucid. my main account is so crudified that i feel a strong desire to create a fresh account and move all my files to it. what is the best way to do this?
[01:30] <Micc> will an install cd be able to see a wubi partition?
[01:31] <wer-ist-roger> penguin42: just to let you know it worked
[01:31] <aprilhare> for instance, my window manager crashes on login. it's unacceptable.
[01:31] <wer-ist-roger> my ati works now
[01:31] <iconmefisto> aprilhare: I suppose first you should create a new user (gui or with adduser) and see if logging in with that user improves things
[01:32] <bezdomni> The performance in general feels a bit laggy and sluggish after the upgrade as well...icons and applications are taking longer to load, the notification area on my panel is clustered and behaves weirdly, and the ubuntu startup screen is really weird
[01:32] <aprilhare> iconmefisto: i already have. it does.
[01:32] <aprilhare> iconmefisto: now i'm up to the actual 'what to do next' bit
[01:32] <Zenker> im trying to install frostwire and i get this Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java6-jre. . i checked the software center and i do have openJDK java 6 runtime, web start and the icedtea java plugin, what am i missing or should i install the linux version-if so how do i do this?
[01:33] <iconmefisto> aprilhare: copy the files you want, and then chown to be owned by the new user
[01:33] <BUGabundo> nihgt
[01:35] <peterwang> Hey guys. How do you change the Default theme for Plymouth?
[01:37] <Zenker> peterwang perhaps you can install one of the others from the software center
[01:37] <aprilhare> bbl
[01:37] <Zenker> does anyone know how to install frostwire?
[01:38] <peterwang> Zenker: I installed the themes. I need a command to switch to one of the themes now.
[01:39] <Zenker> peterwant its probably gonna be in the grub conf somewhere, idk much about this stuff though
[01:39] <Zenker> oops peterwang
[01:40] <peterwang> what is it?
[01:42] <iconmefisto> peterwang: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[01:43] <iconmefisto> peterwang: then do: sudo update-initramfs -u
[01:44] <aprilhare> after updating, the default login screen didn't change in appearance (including background).
[01:45] <peterwang> iconmefisto: thanks a bunch
[01:45] <Scunizi> Is Java Console working in FF in the +1 release?
[01:46] <Zenker> im trying to install frostwire and i get this Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java6-jre. . i checked the software center and i do have openJDK java 6 runtime, web start and the icedtea java plugin, what am i missing
[01:46] <coc0nut> you need to install sun-java6-jre
[01:47] <coc0nut> It's different from openjdk
[01:47] <Zenker> coc0nut i cant for some reason?
[01:47] <coc0nut> =/
[01:47] <coc0nut> what does this give you: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[01:49] <Zenker> ahh i think its working :) thank you, there is no install button for it in the software center
[01:49] <coc0nut> No problem!
[01:49] <Zenker> do i need 2 restart, it still said the same thing?
[01:49] <coc0nut> Just close and open the software centre once the package is installed
[01:50] <coc0nut> maybe that'll help it recognise it
[01:50] <Zenker> hmm. ok, i think maybe its because i have a 64 bit os?
[01:51] <coc0nut> I don't think that should affect it.
[01:51] <coc0nut> Try restarting, see if that helps!
[01:51] <Zenker> kk brb
[01:53] <Zenker> nope that didnt help
[01:53] <coc0nut> =/
[01:56] <Zenker> oh i think i see the problem, it appears the downloader from the site is giving me the wrong version, its i586 and im using a 64 bit
[01:57] <coc0nut> That could be it
[02:00] <Zenker> hmmm i found a success story here  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-477363.html   any idea how he did it?
[02:01] <Zenker> oh wait i should have read more, just forget it, ill stick with limewire
[02:26] <Micc> does wubi use a different version of grub?
[02:26] <Micc> than 10.04?
[02:39] <benomatic> anybody by chance seen alsa fail when updating (aptitude) beta2 -> current?  (i have an intel hda that worked off clean install, now aplay -l show no devices.)
[03:05] <Xgates> well I was hoping to see in Beta2 a cleaner bootup, what I mean by that is, after grub loads you just get the purple splash screen then straight to Gnome, but I still see stuff in the background console being spit out onto the screen and the same when you reboot, you always get the console login screen and some shut down processes then the splash screen appears after a bit
[03:05] <Xgates> still not a clean looking startup and reboot... :(
[03:06] <sirninja> I'm having a problem. After my laptop wakes up from suspend, ubuntu doesn't manage the cooling properly "acpi -V" reveals this: http://pastebin.org/146434 It's not detecting the temperature correctly
[03:10] <jdsbluedevl> sirninja: did you file a bug report?
[03:10] <sirninja> jdsbluedevl: I've never done that before. How would I go about doing that?
[03:11] <jdsbluedevl> well, first google your problem and see if anyone else has experienced it.  That should give you some thought as to what process is doing it
[03:12] <jdsbluedevl> also, look at the system monitor (or just type "top" into the terminal) to see if anything is taking up CPU usage
[03:13] <jdsbluedevl> after you figure out what process it may be, go back to the terminal and type "ubuntu-bug PROCESSNAME" (substitute PROCESSNAME for your process)
[03:14] <jdsbluedevl> you will need to register for a free LaunchPad account to do this
[03:14] <iconmefisto> sirninja: "ubuntu-bug acpi-support" should automate the bug reporting quite a bit for you
[03:14] <sirninja> jbsdbluedevl: there isn't a process that's taking up the cpu, but if it's not detecting the temperature, so normal use causes it to become very hot
[03:14] <sirninja> iconmefisto: thanks
[03:19] <sirninja> what would be a good bug summary of this issue? I'm not sure of what the proper terminology would be
[03:21] <iconmefisto> sirninja: not detecting CPU temperature after wake up from suspend (?) something like that? is that what is wrong?
[03:22] <iconmefisto> or "CPU temperature not detected correctly"
[03:24] <sirninja> Do I need to include further information or does the stuff automatically collected tell them everything they need to know?
[03:25] <iconmefisto> if you can think of any other info, put that in too. you'll get email notifications when people respond to the bug report, and they will as for more info if needed
[03:26] <iconmefisto> *ask
[04:30] <danopia> is `ruby` version 1.9.1 in 10.04?
[04:36] <jordanl> are there any special considerations when doing a fresh install on lucid when your root partition is raid0?
[04:36] <jordanl> i thought this was a lucid only bug... but it's breaking on a fresh 9.10 install too
[04:36] <jordanl> the first boot fails with a message like "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<long uuid> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
[04:37] <jordanl> i have a raid0 partition for /, and a raid1 partition for swap
[04:37] <jordanl> 2 physical drives are configured identically for the raid partitions
[04:38] <wolter> is your nautilus crashing when you try to access samba shares or click volumes in the desktop?
[04:38] <iconmefisto> !ruby1.9.1-full | danopia
[04:38] <iconmefisto> !info ruby1.9.1-full | danopia
[04:38] <danopia> that doesn't answer my question
[04:38] <danopia> !info ruby
[04:39] <danopia> neither does that....
[04:39] <danopia> iconmefisto, could you run `ruby -v` and tell me, i don't have 10.04
[04:39] <danopia> i just want to konw
[04:39] <holstein> jordanl: hmmm RAID eh?
[04:39] <iconmefisto> danopia: ruby 1.8.7 (2010-01-10 patchlevel 249) [i486-linux]
[04:40] <danopia> darn
[04:40] <holstein> i havent used RAID really before... has anyone else?
[04:40] <danopia> maybe it'll be upgraded by 12.04 :P
[04:41] <foxbuntu_irssi> hey all, got an issue with my Alps touchpad since I upgraded to -19/Beta 2 and have kept current on updates
[04:41] <foxbuntu_irssi> I cant even get X to start atm
[04:41] <jordanl> holstein: yes, i've probably done about 6 fresh installs since thursday ;)
[04:41] <jordanl> this just doesn't want to work
[04:42] <jordanl> one thing i noticed... when i do "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid" from the busybox shell, i don't see the drive in there
[04:42] <jordanl> nor do i see the device in "ls /dev/md*"
[04:42] <jordanl> but if i boot into rescue mode from the installation media, i DO see them
[04:43] <jordanl> is grub2 not getting the raid module or something?
[04:43] <wolter> is your nautilus crashing when you try to access samba shares or click volumes in the desktop?
[04:44]  * holstein doesnt have any samba shares wolter 
[04:44] <holstein> but nautilus has been working well for me
[04:45] <holstein> since the latest usdates
[04:45] <holstein> updates*
[04:45] <wolter> holstein, how about desktop volume icons?
[04:45] <wolter> do you have any?
[04:46] <holstein> wolter: let me get one a make sure
[04:47] <wolter> thanks
[04:48] <holstein> wolter: you just open it?
[04:48] <holstein> to browse
[04:48] <holstein> and it crashes?
[04:49] <wolter> lol, no; i just click on it
[04:49] <wolter> and it crashes
[04:49] <holstein> oh
[04:49] <holstein> OK
[04:49] <holstein> nah, im good to go
[04:49] <wolter> and I don't know how to debug nautilus because every time I kill it it respawns on the spot
[04:49] <wolter> oh
[04:49] <holstein> i had some nautilus issues though
[04:49] <holstein> beta 1
[04:49] <holstein> and before
[04:51] <wolter> like mine?
[04:51] <wolter> and the people at #nautilus won't answer.. I don't know why they have an irc channel then
[04:51] <holstein> hehe
[04:51] <holstein> yeah, can be frustrating
[04:52] <holstein> does x crash?
[04:52] <holstein> if you browse using places? can you browse the volume?
[04:53] <wolter> yes
[04:53] <wolter> I can browse the volume, its just when I click on the icon
[04:54] <wolter> Same with the shares.. it is enough with clicking the icon to get nautilus crashing
[04:55] <wolter> also, have you people been able to get the appindicator plugin on banshee?
[04:55] <holstein> nah
[04:55]  * holstein hasnt installed banshee
[04:55] <wolter> shit my brother is making me sick... his moving his chair all around making noise because of his unconformity with it
[04:55] <wolter> oh
[04:56] <foxbuntu_irssi> tisk tisk wolter
[04:56] <foxbuntu_irssi> ;)
[04:56] <wolter> haha whats tisk?
[04:57] <Cleaverroot> !tisk | wolter
[04:57] <foxbuntu_irssi> wolter: just a nice way of saying the lanuage is bad :)
[04:57] <Cleaverroot> lol
[04:57] <wolter> oh
[04:57] <wolter> how nice
[04:58] <iconmefisto> wolter: if you start nautilus from console and make it crash, you might get some error messages to point you in the right direction
[04:58] <foxbuntu_irssi> anyone have thoughts on why my Alps touchpad is causing X to fail, it goes into low graphics mode but wont go past the error
[04:58] <wolter> iconmefisto, i just read I need to remove it from the gnome session
[04:58] <wolter> tried gnome-session remove nautilus and my whole desktop went crazy
[04:59] <auk> i'd just like to note that the volume control applet icon has disappeared... i assume this will be fixed in the next few days as it's such a high profile issue?
[05:00] <Cleaverroot> wolter: your desktop is nautilus just like in window and the explorer
[05:00] <wolter> Cleaverroot, yes... i know
[05:00] <wolter> but I need to debug it anyway
[05:00] <holstein> wolter: do that command line start.. iconmefisto 's idea
[05:00] <holstein> that'll spit out all kinds of stuff
[05:00] <holstein> should
[05:01] <wolter> holstein, yes.. but I need to make it stop respawning or else I cannot launch it from a console!
[05:02] <holstein> sudo killall nautilus
[05:02] <holstein> will that do it?
[05:02] <wolter> holstein, no.. it will respawn
[05:02] <iconmefisto> do you need sudo? doesn't it run as normal user?
[05:02] <wolter> holy cow.. now somebody is eating my cpu
[05:02] <wolter> yes it does
[05:02] <wolter> it will respawn either way
[05:03] <wolter> I need to remove it from the gnome-session
[05:03] <auk> wolter, i just did sudo killall nautilus ten times in quick succession, and after that it doesn't respawn
[05:05] <wolter> oh sorry
[05:05] <wolter> I had to kill X
[05:05] <wolter> killed a process and desktop went nuts
[05:07] <wolter> auk, i did it 15 times and still comes bac
[05:07] <wolter> k
[05:08] <auk> wolter, i mean *really* quickly
[05:08] <wolter> yeah me too
[05:08] <DanaG> what process are you killing?
[05:08] <wolter> nautilus
[05:08] <DanaG> ah.
[05:08] <wolter> I need to find the way to have it stop respawning
[05:09] <DanaG> hackish way: sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/nautilus
[05:09] <DanaG> though, that'll also prevent you from opening ANY nautilus windows.
[05:09] <wolter> yeah... but I need to start it in a terminal
[05:09] <DanaG> anyway, chmod it -x, kill it, wait a while, and then chmod it +x again.
[05:09] <DanaG> then run it in terminal.
[05:09] <wolter> why is my computer always so effed up
[05:09] <wolter> DanaG, I can't because it is already running
[05:09] <auk> hmm maybe try: sudo killall nautilus && sudo killall nautilus
[05:09] <auk> (and do it really fast)
[05:10] <DanaG> "can't because it's already running" says to me you didn't read. =þ
[05:10] <wolter> ok managed
[05:10] <auk> all i can say is it worked for me, and now it won't respawn at all if i kill it once
[05:12] <wolter> sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/nautilus && pkill nautilus && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/nautilus && nautilus
[05:12] <wolter> that works
[05:13] <wolter> lol... it just segfaults
[05:14] <iconmefisto> wolter: look at post #17: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/325973
[05:14] <wolter> do you think reinstalling would do the trick?
[05:15] <iconmefisto> X-GNOME-AutoRestart=false in /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop
[05:15] <holstein> reinstalling nautilus or lucid?
[05:16] <wolter> nautilus
[05:16] <holstein> you shouldnt have to
[05:16] <holstein> but it wont hurt to try it
[05:16] <holstein> i would probably just watch for updates
[05:17] <holstein> and worry about it in a few days
[05:18] <wolter> yeah..
[05:18] <wolter> didn't work
[05:18] <wolter> what puzzles me is 1. why am I always needing to fix st*pid sh*t in my computer; 2. why am I the only one with this annoying nautilus, if software is supposed to be the same for everybody
[05:20] <holstein> wolter: its not final yet ;)
[05:20] <wolter> yeah i know but for example, you don't have to deal with a misbehaving nautilus
[05:20] <holstein> i did
[05:20] <wolter> I just want to hammer it to death
[05:20] <holstein> and i might still
[05:20] <wolter> well, but not now :s
[05:20] <holstein> i got a via chip here
[05:20] <wolter> at least not because of my problems
[05:20] <wolter> via chip?
[05:21] <holstein> its a pain in the *ss
[05:21] <holstein> via graphics chip
[05:21] <holstein> its not anyones fault really
[05:21] <holstein> BUT lucid wont run on it at all
[05:21] <holstein> and might not
[05:21] <holstein> ever really
[05:22] <holstein> via is not giving any information out about the chip
[05:22] <wolter> oh
[05:22] <holstein> hardare differences make it challenging
[05:22] <holstein> to give everyone the same experience
[05:22] <holstein> not only hardware differences
[05:22] <PSKOL> dont work in the stable version?
[05:22] <holstein> LIKE
[05:22] <DanaG> another chip that is lé suck: nv17.
[05:23] <holstein> you want something working with banshee
[05:23] <holstein> banshee is not included by default
[05:23] <holstein> its challenging to test all of that software
[05:23] <DanaG> sed -i 's/int(font/eval(font/' /usr/share/pyshared/gwibber/gwui.py || true
[05:23] <DanaG> had to add that to my rc.local
[05:24] <wolter> yeah I know its challenging..
[05:24] <wolter> but there is virtually no reason why nautilus would crash on my computer when I click on certain icons, and in your computer it will not
[05:24] <holstein> well...
[05:24] <wolter> I mean, its not like my computer has a very weird hardware or something as to make it segfault by the hardware alone
[05:24] <holstein> the graphics drivers
[05:25] <holstein> the kernel support
[05:25] <holstein> the different packages you and i have installed
[05:25] <wolter> holstein, its nvidia.. its like the most supported graphics card
[05:25] <holstein> right
[05:25] <holstein> BUT it could be a bug
[05:26] <holstein> hmmm
[05:26] <wolter> ok
[05:26] <wolter> what just happened...
[05:26] <wolter> Xorg died
[05:27] <wolter> honestly, ubuntu sometimes sickens me... with stuff like this
[05:27] <DanaG> what happen?
[05:27] <DanaG> somebody set up us the bomb!
[05:28] <DanaG> =þ
[05:28] <wolter> DanaG, what happened to you?
[05:28] <DanaG> google that phrase.
[05:29] <wolter> bomb us, up set somebody ?
[05:29] <wolter> bomb the us*
[05:30] <maco> wolter: it was a tweaked quote from the "all your base are belong to us" song
[05:30] <maco> er....video game
[05:30] <maco> that turned into a song
[05:30] <maco> DanaG: isnt it "set us up the bomb"?
[05:33] <DanaG> not sure, actually.
[05:37] <mrp> how can i diagnose the fault with my laptop not playing through speaker but through headphones?
[05:38] <wolter> can any of you with samba installed tell me if '$ smbclient -B' works?
[05:38] <mawst> Woohooo upgrading to beta 2 WEEEEEOW WEOW DON'T LEAVE!
[06:01] <iconmefisto> wolter: DNS-SD browsing is not supported on this platform
[06:01] <wolter> iconmefisto, oh yeah.. same here.. I thought it used to work..
[06:01] <wolter> I know smbtree works though
[06:15] <aprilhare> hey
[06:21] <wolter> hey
[06:24] <mawst> Please tell me Gwibber has been fixed in b2
[06:24] <wolter> mawst, use pino
[06:24] <wolter> its MUCH better
[06:24] <mawst> pino eh?
[06:25] <wolter> yeah
[06:25] <wolter> its gtk too
[06:25] <wolter> but its a lot better... but it only suppports identica and twitter
[06:25] <switchgirl> hi is the memory supposed to be 100% of 2.5 gb when not doing anything demanding?
[06:25] <MTughan> wolter: Doesn't really help those of us who use more than that.
[06:26] <jdsbluedevl> hi, thought I'd ask anyone in here again about polkitd problems.  Anyone notice what is causing polkitd to use so much CPU and memory?
[06:26] <mawst> Well I use fb primarily.
[06:26] <switchgirl> 92.7% rather
[06:26] <wolter> MTughan, yeah
[06:26] <mawst> Twitter is more of a bonus feature for me.
[06:26] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: look at your system monitor
[06:26] <Berzerker> when I rebooted, I got an error that an application crashed, and I clicked delete, it turns out it was the one with the status changer/shutdown butons
[06:26] <Berzerker> how do I get that one back?
[06:26] <switchgirl> jdsbluedevl: i am
[06:26] <jdsbluedevl> which process is using a whole bunch of CPU?
[06:27] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: you know what?  don't even respond, I'll tell you which process it is.  It's policykitd, right?
[06:27] <switchgirl> telepathy-butterfly uses the most it would seem
[06:27] <jdsbluedevl> is that 3rd-party or part of Ubuntu?
[06:28] <switchgirl> gnome system monitor using 14-15% is the most cpu
[06:28] <switchgirl> part of ubuntu
[06:28] <Berzerker> anyone?
[06:28] <jdsbluedevl> no, it seems to be the MSN connection manager for a program called telepathy
[06:28] <switchgirl> telapathy-butterfly is usung 387.7 mib or mem
[06:29] <switchgirl> of*
[06:29] <switchgirl> its empathy
[06:29] <jdsbluedevl> that's a lot of memory
[06:29] <switchgirl> the programme that broke earlier in the week.... :s
[06:29] <switchgirl> its working now though
[06:29] <aprilhare> now that I have created a new user account, I am having problems with some games that need nvidia drivers. something strange is going on.
[06:29] <mawst> I've noticed that too switchgirl
[06:30] <switchgirl> also says its sleeping
[06:30] <mawst> Not sure the source of the problem.
[06:30] <mawst> 34% cpu here.
[06:30] <mawst> heh
[06:30] <jdsbluedevl> mawst: is that total?
[06:30] <jdsbluedevl> or one program?
[06:30] <switchgirl> now topping 400 mib  telapathy-butterfly
[06:30] <jdsbluedevl> *I mean process
[06:31] <aprilhare> i look in restricted drivers and neither available nvidia driver is apparently installed - it claims a different version of the driver is in use.
[06:31] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: are you using any instant-messaging apps?
[06:31] <aprilhare> but i'll be blowed to know what.
[06:31] <mawst> jdsbluedevl: gnome-system-monitor specifically
[06:31] <jdsbluedevl> that's a lot for a system monitor to use
[06:32] <jdsbluedevl> what's your CPU model?
[06:32] <switchgirl> yup i am using pidgin - and empathy pidgin for IRC and empathy for msn, icq, yahoo, google, facebook and jabber
[06:32] <mawst> It's a 64 bit 3600 amd dual core
[06:32] <mawst> Not sure the specifics
[06:33] <jdsbluedevl> mawst: ok, so it's not a PIII.  Just wanted to make sure of that
[06:33] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: do you have X-chat installed?
[06:34] <switchgirl> mine? a intel duelcore processor with inter-threading technology 2.5 gb duel channel ram
[06:34] <switchgirl> yes
[06:34] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: was asking mawst
[06:34] <switchgirl> ahh ok but its good to no yeah?
[06:34] <mawst> :D
[06:34] <j0k3r> Where is xorg.config on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx ?
[06:35] <mawst> /etc/X11?
[06:35] <j0k3r> nop
[06:35] <mawst> Should be.
[06:35] <mawst> xorg.conf btw
[06:35] <Berzerker> I lost my shut down applet on the bar, anyone know how to get it back?
[06:35] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: so it's probably pidgin that's causing the problem.  Close pidgin, open X-chat to come back here, and check your resource usage
[06:35] <sara1> ok
[06:35] <jdsbluedevl> it should go way down
[06:36] <mawst> That's where mine is j0k3r
[06:36] <tritium> Berzerker: it's called the "Indicator Applet Session"
[06:36] <mrp> any reason why i would be getting audio output on headphoen jack only and not speakers on a laptop?
[06:36] <sara1> im on irssi
[06:36] <j0k3r> mawst: hold on
[06:37] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: has your CPU usage gone down?
[06:37] <switchgirl> no still 386.1 mib
[06:37] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: oh, you're talking about memory usage
[06:38] <switchgirl> yes
[06:38] <jdsbluedevl> is that the memory being used by one process?
[06:38] <switchgirl> isnt that waht i said? appologies
[06:38] <switchgirl> mostly its using about 1 3rd of the 2.5gb of ram i have
[06:38] <MTughan> switchgirl: You actually did ask about memory in the beginning. That got lost somewhere though.
[06:39] <jdsbluedevl> I think you said CPU.  But yeah, you did say memory, I was just thinking about CPU (b/c that's my problem)
[06:39] <j0k3r> mawst: hey there
[06:39] <mawst> :E
[06:39] <j0k3r> check out: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6581/001cq.png
[06:40] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: which process is using that memory?
[06:40] <mawst> j0k3r: are you in X?
[06:40] <mawst> Weird
[06:41] <j0k3r> yes :S
[06:41] <switchgirl> the 361.4 mib is telepathy-butterfly
[06:41] <mawst> I would killall -9 Xorg && /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then run Xorg -config
[06:41] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: are you running X-chat or empathy?
[06:42] <switchgirl> irssi for irc atm and empathy
[06:42] <j0k3r> let me try ...
[06:42] <switchgirl> i need empathy open im 21 and am a ver social creature
[06:43] <aprilhare> oooo creature!
[06:44] <j0k3r> mawst: dont work ;/
[06:44] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: what's your next-highest user of memory?
[06:44] <aprilhare> bbl
[06:46] <mawst> j0k3r: What video driver are you using?
[06:46] <mawst> I suppose you haven't configured it.
[06:46] <mawst> Did you by any chance install nvidia drivers? It can edit xorg.conf for you
[06:46] <switchgirl> firefox
[06:46] <mawst> (if you have nvidia)
[06:47] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: how much?
[06:47] <switchgirl> 114.0 mib
[06:47] <j0k3r> well, i'm using in vbox
[06:47] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, when you have a process using more memory than Firefox, you have a problem
[06:47] <jdsbluedevl> my advice: file a bug report
[06:48] <jdsbluedevl> go to terminal, type "ubuntu-bug telepathy-butterfly"
[06:48] <jdsbluedevl> make sure you have a LaunchPad account
[06:49] <jdsbluedevl> anyways, anyone else hever have problems with PolicyKit using up so much CPU and memory?
[06:56] <switchgirl> how to print the memory map?
[06:56] <switchgirl> ie copy it to include with the report
[06:58] <jdsbluedevl> switchgirl: ubuntu-bug does everything for you
[06:59] <jdsbluedevl> just give a short summary of your problem.  It'll first find any similar problems, but if you can't find one, give a paragraph or two of what you're experiencing
[07:00] <skrite> hey al
[07:00] <skrite> all, that is
[07:01] <skrite> how do i get the music store ?
[07:02] <jdsbluedevl> skrite: what music store?
[07:02] <j0k3r> mawst: i solved my problem, i just created the file xorg.conf and set my definitions
[07:02] <skrite> the ubuntuone one
[07:04] <jdsbluedevl> dunno about that one, didn't hear about it
[07:05] <skrite> ok, thanks
[07:05] <Aidar-Nagato> is fglrx still not working?
[07:05] <ZykoticK9> skrite, rhythmbox has the store
[07:06] <skrite> ok, i had thought that, but my rhythmbox does not
[07:06] <skrite> i am apt-get updated all the way
[07:06] <skrite> beta 2
[07:06] <ZykoticK9> skrite, are you using Lucid?
[07:06] <skrite> ZykoticK9,
[07:06] <skrite> yes
[07:07] <mrp> any reason why i would be getting audio output on headphoen jack only and not speakers on a laptop?
[07:07] <ZykoticK9> skrite, and on the left side you don't see Store "Ubuntu One" under the Library section?
[07:08] <skrite> no, it  is not there
[07:09] <ZykoticK9> skrite, strange - i have no idea
[07:09] <ZykoticK9> skrite, Help / About - does it show 0.12.8?
[07:10] <skrite> yeah, see this is my laptop, and i installed the same beta 2 version on a desktop computer here at the house and it is there on that one
[07:10] <ZykoticK9> skrite, check if you have rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store installed
[07:10] <skrite> no, i am Rhythmbox 0.12.5
[07:10] <skrite> that must be it, eh?
[07:11] <ZykoticK9> skrite, i'd guess the music-store part is more important - i'm not sure why your rhythmbox version is behind either?
[07:12] <ZykoticK9> skrite, command line method to check "apt-cache policy rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store"
[07:14] <skrite> unable to locate package rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store
[07:15] <ZykoticK9> skrite, "sudo apt-get update" then retry above command -- something is fishy here
[07:16] <ZykoticK9> skrite, just out of curiosity was this an update or a fresh install
[07:17] <RPG-Master> Yo
[07:17] <RPG-Master> Having some desktop compositing problems
[07:18] <RPG-Master> I restarted my laptop (after having some really bad font problems caused by Fontmatrix)
[07:18] <skrite> ZykoticK9, oh dear God !  i have all Karmic sources
[07:19] <ZykoticK9> skrite, that would actually make sense (and answers my upgrade/fresh install question)
[07:19] <skrite> i hereby withdraw my entire question
[07:19] <ZykoticK9> lol :)
[07:20] <RPG-Master> I didn't have compositing for some reason, I go to turn it on in Appearance and it "looks for drivers" then tells me if I want to keep the change (no change happened though)... and then it freezes :(
[07:20] <RPG-Master> So help mah :(
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> RPG-Master:  seen that happen with other people also.
[07:21] <RPG-Master> Dr_Willis: And did they fix it?
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> but if you just run 'compiz --replace' it should turn on find.
[07:21] <RPG-Master> ok
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> its just those dialogs enableing it that seems to crash.
[07:21] <RPG-Master> Didn't work for me! :O
[07:21] <astronouth7303> on an nvidia card, it appears I no longer have glx available
[07:22] <RPG-Master> I have NVIDIA too :O
[07:22] <astronouth7303> compiz and the glx* tools all fail with the error message "glXCreateContext failed"
[07:22] <RPG-Master> :O
[07:22] <RPG-Master> I'm with you then
[07:23] <RPG-Master> actually, compiz gives me: Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators Found no decorator to start
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> my 2 nvidia box's are working. but i did see a similer crash like you had RPG-Master .
[07:24] <RPG-Master> OK... Well, I'm not sure whats wrong :(
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> decorators? hmm. hters only 3 total to use.. emerald, gtk-decorator and kde-decorator.
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> were you using emerald befor?
[07:24] <RPG-Master> And I have both emerald and GTK
[07:25] <RPG-Master> Nope, was using GTK
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> try 'emerald --replace' in a terminal. or  (i think) 'gtk-decorator --replace'  and see if any errors happen
[07:25] <RPG-Master> Actually, I had it set to the default settings when you click Normal effects
[07:25] <RPG-Master> ok
[07:26] <RPG-Master> gtk-decorator: command not found
[07:26] <RPG-Master> :O
[07:27] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, no gtk-decorator here either, perhaps Dr_Willis meant "metacity --replace" ? i'm just guessing.
[07:28] <MBHAKM> I am looking for help . My internal microphone doesn't work while sound recording and voice chat
[07:28] <RPG-Master> that did something... it's not giving me an error message but its also not letting enter anymore commands
[07:29] <MBHAKM> Testing with an updated Lucid 10.04 Beta, the internal microphone doesn't work for Sound Recorder. I can play music and video sound but not recording and voice call outgoing cannot hear
[07:29] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, you'd have to put "metacity --replace &" to get the terminal back i imagine
[07:30] <MBHAKM>  uname -r
[07:30] <MBHAKM> 2.6.32-19-generic
[07:30] <MBHAKM> $ cat /proc/asound/card*/codec\#*|grep -i codec
[07:30] <MBHAKM> Codec: Realtek ALC268
[07:30] <MBHAKM> My ALSA info script is located at
[07:30] <MBHAKM> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=caf13f54adb8f2a7f7c3619b23a90f717b1d3604
[07:30] <MBHAKM> Please advise any workaround to solve this?
[07:31] <ZykoticK9> MBHAKM, use pastebin in future!  Did you happen to post this problem/question to Launchpad by chance?
[07:31] <MBHAKM> yes i posted to launchpad
[07:32] <MBHAKM> ok thanks for pastebin info
[07:32] <ZykoticK9> MBHAKM, ya I remember reading it earlier - i had the same issue a couple of days ago as well, but we have different soundcards
[07:33] <MBHAKM> ZykoticK9:I have Realtex ALC268
[07:35] <lucky4linux> After I installed Lucid Lynx beta 1, everything was perfect. But when I select windows XP from grub menu, the windows XP screen comes up and then the machine starts rebooting.
[07:38] <mawst> Ok now before I completley destroy my grub config again, when I get the the part about "grub install devices" should I be only checking the drive I want to boot from or...?
[07:39] <RPG-Master> Well, that fixed nothing :(
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> mawst:  thats how i do it.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> mawst:  you are instaslling to somthing special/unusual?
[07:40] <RPG-Master> NOW I have to use "metacity replace" if I want to have window decorations :(
[07:40] <mawst> No.
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> RPG-Master:  install and use fusion-icon as a easier way to switch
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> sounds like compiz is crashing.
[07:41] <RPG-Master> Dr_Willis: Even after metacity starts, compiz still crashes the same way
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> if metacity starts..  its replaceing compiz.. so im not sure what you mean.
[07:42] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: they removed compiz a few days ago
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> but i thought it came back yesterday
[07:42] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: let me try
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> its working here...
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> or at least it was.. let me see
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> Yep - its working here..
[07:44] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, just an FYI but compiz would only have been removed if you did a Partial Upgrade -- using "aptitude safe-upgrade" doesn't remove things, and avoids problems (when using a development release)
[07:44] <mawst> Ok well here goes...
[07:44] <mawst> brb
[07:45] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: compiz is definately broken here
[07:45] <ZykoticK9> Compiz is working fine here
[07:46] <RPG-Master> I just installed the compiz package (it was removed some how) and this is the new error I get: kde-window-decorator(4220) KWD::KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path  ""  for  "kwin3_oxygen"
[07:46] <RPG-Master> kde4-window-decorator: Could not enable decorations on display ":0.0"
[07:46] <RPG-Master> kde-window-decorator(4222) KWD::KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path  ""  for  "kwin3_oxygen" kde4-window-decorator: Could not enable decorations on display ":0.0"
[07:46] <RPG-Master> :O
[07:46] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: I did a system/adminstration/update manager
[07:46] <RPG-Master> sorry for the multi row post...
[07:47] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, BUT when you started that, did it say Partial Upgrade?  I'm guessing it did it compiz was removed -- if you get a Partial Upgrade message DON'T DO IT
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> you are using compiz with kde?
[07:47] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: yes, I think it said that.
[07:47] <RPG-Master> NO! And thats whats so weird! :O
[07:48] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: too late now
[07:48] <RPG-Master> Why is it looking for kwen when I'm using GNOME?
[07:48] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, it did - in future if you get that message - cancel out and use the aptitude command instead!
[07:48] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: compiz has always been flakey for me anyway
[07:49] <lucky4linux> After I installed Lucid Lynx beta 1, everything was perfect. But when I select windows XP from grub menu, the windows XP screen comes up and then the machine starts rebooting.
[07:49] <lucky4linux> please help
[07:49] <Blue11> compiz seems to not work well with ati cards
[07:49] <astronouth7303> Blue11: but that's been the case for a while, hasn't it?
[07:49] <Blue11> astronouth7303: correct
[07:49] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, linux seems to not work well with ati cards
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> 'ati seems to not play well with linux' :)
[07:50] <Blue11> astronouth7303: it did work in SuSE though (compiz)
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> I imageine its all about the versions of X and the ati drivers..
[07:50] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: i think you are correct - that seems to be the case
[07:51] <astronouth7303> oh, nothing using OpenGL works
[07:51] <Blue11> the alsa sound driver suxs on my system, but again, worked ok with suse
[07:52] <RPG-Master> Jockey's not letting me enable my nvidia card. Here's the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/412457/
[07:52] <Blue11> naw it doesn't sux - it vacuums!
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> but with compiz eyecandy it Vacumes in a sexy little maid outfit!
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:54] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: indeed!
[07:54] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, what driver is Xorg currently using?  "lspci -vnvn" and find the VGA section, and Kernel Driver in Use: part
[07:54] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: alsa suxs more then not having compiz
[07:54] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, i like your compiz statement above :)
[07:55] <mawst> I survived Beta1 to Beta2 upgrade.
[07:55] <mawst> :D
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> its funny - because its true..
[07:55] <astronouth7303> Ok. It's not just that I don't have glx. I don't have OpenGL at all.
[07:56] <Blue11> is there a way to disable alsa, and revert back to pulse audio?
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> Err.. Pulse audio uses alsa.
[07:56] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: :-(
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> kernel -> alsa -> pulse -> YourPrograms
[07:57] <RPG-Master> ZykoticK9: 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[07:57] <RPG-Master> 	Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nvidiafb, nouveau
[07:57] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: ahh I thought alsa and pulse were 2 divergent ideas - that would explain a lot...
[07:57] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, so are your graphics working?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  yep - people often dont understand how the 2 are related
[07:57] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, Pulse replaces ESD not Alsa
[07:58] <RPG-Master> ZykoticK9: Well, how can I tell besides running compiz?
[07:58] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: ahh I didn't know that - but everything worked before I went to ubuntu on this system
[07:58] <RPG-Master> because... you know... compiz is hating me :(
[07:59] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, i think you must have done the partial upgrade as well that broke compiz (don't know the fix for that) - but if you have any 3d games installed see if they are running properly (i'm guessing they will)
[08:00] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, you could also try glxgears and check the fps there
[08:01] <Blue11> owch I am only getting 850 fps out of this card
[08:01] <RPG-Master> OK, gears are doing good
[08:02] <Blue11> used to get over 2000
[08:02] <RPG-Master> Blue11: But not over 9000?
[08:02] <RPG-Master> ...sorry
[08:02] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, if you have any vsync enabled that would explain the low glxgears fps
[08:02] <Blue11> RPG-Master: I have this card:  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[08:02] <Blue11>  an oldie for sure
[08:03] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: not that I know of
[08:03] <RPG-Master> Blue11: No, "Over 9000" is a famous Dragon Ball Z quote :P
[08:04] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: how would I check vsync?
[08:04] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, i'm not sure with ATI -- with nvidia it's in nvidia-settings, there is also a vsync setting in ccsm
[08:05] <joaopinto> hi
[08:05] <joaopinto> anyone got their locale broken after the latest updates ?
[08:05] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: let me schlepp a little
[08:06] <Blue11> bbiab
[08:06] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, 850 might be what the ATI card can do?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what locale really does. :) im a self centerred american. and rarely need to mess with it.
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> so it dosent seem broken here.
[08:08] <ZykoticK9> "Bill Gates" you know you don't have to admit to everything ;)
[08:08] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, :P
[08:09]  * Dr_Willis hires more interns from over seas for 1/20 the price..
[08:09] <joaopinto> I was able to fix it with locale-gen
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> meanwhile.. back to reading the latest pc news.
[08:09] <DanaG> argh, something keeps turning my windows and taskbar invisible on netbook-edition.
[08:12] <evilshadeslayer> hey does anyone know of a PPA for the latest Kernels?
[08:12] <evilshadeslayer> like 2.6.33 and 2.6.34
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> theres some ppa kernel repos out.. but i know better then to try them. :)
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> I think some even get updated daily
[08:13] <evilshadeslayer> Dr_Willis: well i just want to try them out... if they are better then w00t :)
[08:13] <evilshadeslayer> Dr_Willis: any LP links?
[08:13] <evilshadeslayer> so far i have : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-rc1/
[08:14] <evilshadeslayer> one dir up and we have loads of releases.... but its not a PPA
[08:15]  * evilshadeslayer needs +1 to get his karma up to 1500
[08:16] <RPG-Master> So, do we still not know how to cure this compiz problem? :(
[08:16] <RPG-Master> 'cus I really gots to go to bed...
[08:16] <evilshadeslayer> RPG-Master: no composting?
[08:16] <RPG-Master> :(
[08:16] <evilshadeslayer> RPG-Master: also checkout #compiz and see if they can help
[08:17] <RPG-Master> good idea :P
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu Claims 12 Million Users as Lucid Linux Desktop Nears
[08:17] <ZykoticK9> evilshadeslayer, you don't seem to have your IRC nic registered in your LP account...
[08:17] <LordKow> sounds like a lot, but fedora claims ~24 mil
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> but ubuntu is cooler. :)
[08:17] <evilshadeslayer> ZykoticK9: hehe... its ~rohangarg
[08:18] <evilshadeslayer> i guess ill upload the new git version of choqok...
[08:18] <evilshadeslayer> ZykoticK9: oh and the nick is shadeslayer...
[08:19] <ZykoticK9> evilshadeslayer, if you want to dramatically increase your karma may i recommend answering some questions -- i've got 18199 since i joined on 2010-02-03
[08:19] <shadeslayer> ZykoticK9: \o/
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Always neat to keep up on the latest linux news. Hers a neat artical on the next-generation of filesystems and what we might all be using a year or so from now,  http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/69732.html
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Is btrfs allready in 10.04 ? ive not really looked into it.
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i was going to ask the same thing
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i think it is a option for / but ive not tried it
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> brtfs seems to have some neat features..
[08:21] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, is see a btrfs-tools and dbg package
[08:22]  * shadeslayer just wants a better boot time
[08:22] <shadeslayer> and nouveau+3D support in stable drivers
[08:23] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: any idea on that PPA ?
[08:24] <LordKow> great news: moz devs making progress on sandboxing plugins :)
[08:24] <LordKow> oh, a working patch!
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> LordKow:  yep. that will be handy
[08:30]  * shadeslayer uses chromium and rekonq....
[08:30] <shadeslayer> FF has a old GUI :P
[08:30] <ZykoticK9> shadeslayer, did you see Chrome (or Chromium) is going to start shipping with embedded flash player?
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> I still perfer FF in many ways
[08:30] <LordKow> yea i use chromium but its nice to see firefox catching up
[08:31] <shadeslayer> ZykoticK9: nope... thats pretty lame
[08:31] <shadeslayer> ZykoticK9: what if i want HTML5?
[08:31] <LordKow> ZykoticK9: um i dont think chromium will... im not sure licensing would allow it
[08:31] <ZykoticK9> shadeslayer, sort of - does mean flash will be sandboxed by default
[08:31] <LordKow> google-chrome? i can see it.
[08:31] <shadeslayer> ZykoticK9: i agree with LordKow
[08:32] <shadeslayer> licensing issues!
[08:32]  * shadeslayer answers more questions on LP
[08:32] <ZykoticK9> i hear that -- i've certainly switched to Chromium
[08:32] <ZykoticK9> from Chrome i mean
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> I found the adblock in FF worked better then in Chrome. but im trying chrome+adblock again.
[08:34] <LordKow> if you use chromium or chrome you
[08:34] <LordKow> 've likely already seen sandboxing in action
[08:34] <ZykoticK9> LordKow, ya that's ture.. humm, perhaps this embedded flash isn't so cool as i initially thought...
[08:35] <evilshadeslayer_> oh btw grawity gave me this awesome script which uses libnotify with irssi,so if anyone wants it...
[08:35] <LordKow> ZykoticK9: its a horrible idea.
[08:35] <LordKow> the only plus-side that i can think of is for super-lazy people
[08:35] <evilshadeslayer_> heres the link : http://github.com/grawity/scripts/raw/master/irssi/notify/notify-send.pl
[08:38] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: wow some weird crap going on
[08:39] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, with compiz?
[08:39] <Blue11> I just had to nuke gconf in order to bring up lucid
[08:39] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: but my fps is now up to 2100
[08:40] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, well that's a big improvement over 800
[08:40] <evilshadeslayer_> ZykoticK9: do you get karma only after the question is closed?
[08:40] <evilshadeslayer_> or just answering it does the job...
[08:40] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: it was worth losing my gconf settings for that
[08:41] <ZykoticK9> evilshadeslayer_, you get a little just for posting an answer - you get a LOT if the person says your answer fixed there issue -- if they just mark it as solved, no bonus :(
[08:41] <LordKow> die GEGLS die
[08:41] <Blue11> on the stock 9.10 live cd I get over 2400 fps - but on the lucid alpha live cd - glxgears is NOT installed
[08:42] <evilshadeslayer_> ZykoticK9: um so if the guy who posted the question says the answer solved the issue in a comment ill get alot of karma?
[08:42] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, i don't see how your gconf settings fit into the bigger picture i'm afraid - why did you nuke them?
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> evilshadeslayer_:  i have a similer script that works with WeeChat. :) its in the default weechat scripts even.
[08:42] <evilshadeslayer_> Dr_Willis: nice :)
[08:42] <ZykoticK9> evilnhandler, no - they have to click on the "this solved my issue" button, clicking "solved" right beside it - nothing for you
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> evilshadeslayer_:  now i see peoples pms in  a  notify. in kde or gnome..  how fun
[08:43] <evilshadeslayer_> Dr_Willis: cool!
[08:43] <evilshadeslayer_> ZykoticK9: ah..
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> Yep. WeeChat is handy
[08:44] <DanaG> oh yeah, there's a new firefox beta with plugin crash-isolation.
[08:44] <DanaG> forgot what it was called.
[08:45] <DanaG> The version in ubuntu-mozilla-daily doesn't seem to have that feature!
[08:45] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, LordKow beat you to the news a little while ago
[08:45] <evilshadeslayer_> wee chat is nice!
[08:46] <DanaG> yeah... anyway, is the ubuntu-mozilla-daily ppa supposed to have that feature?
[08:46] <DanaG> Because it sure didn't, for me.
[08:47] <MBHAKM> Anybody has a procedure to remove pulseaudio and get ALSA back as default on Ubuntu 10.04
[08:48] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: thanks for all your help and patience this evening. much appreciated.  I think I will watch the horrible movie o' the week, and call it a day...
[08:48] <Blue11> MBHAKM: if you find one, please post to http://www.pkill-9.com
[08:48] <ZykoticK9> Blue11, glad to almost help ;)  take care.
[08:49] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: one last remark:  (sometimes the windows solution actually works!  Nuking and  re-installing!  but don't tell anyone!)
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> MBHAKM:  i pasted a url earlier for a simple 4 min switch to default to alsa...
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> but ive never tested it on 10.04
[08:50] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, upon closer examination of those directions - that only applies to gstreamer apps
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> if you say so.. ive never needed to actually use them
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> Ive neer had pulse issues. :)
[08:51] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, that's what the link says --- i leave Pulse where is it now, I'm enjoying Lucid's Pulse much more then Karmic's
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> I just bookmark handy guides i see like that.
[08:52] <Martiner> Hello, I have a problem, I just installed lucid, everything was fine. I COULD connect with my Huwaei e182e without any problems whatsoever. Did the reccomended upgrades, rebooted... Bam, no connection, couldnt even find my USB mobile modem... Tried the unmount thing, alas.. no avail.. Anyone have any idea why it wont work after upgrade?
[08:52] <Martiner> Im on a windows machine now...
[08:53] <evilshadeslayer_> hahaha...
[08:53] <chandru_in> Whenever disk check is triggered during system startup, I find that the boot splash doesn't close even after successful boot.  I confirm the successful boot because plain terminals are ready for use.
[08:53] <chandru_in> Is this a known issue in BETA?
[08:53] <evilshadeslayer_> http://pastebin.com/UUTzANLs << ROFL
[08:53] <evilshadeslayer_> linux-headers depend on themselves
[08:55] <MBHAKM> Dr_Willis:can u please paste the URL for a simple 4 min switch to default to alsa
[08:56] <MBHAKM> Dr_Willis; I don't see ur URL
[08:56] <ZykoticK9> MBHAKM, the link Dr_Willis posted was http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-switch-to-alsa-or-oss-instead-of.html
[08:56] <Martiner> Anyone?
[08:56] <ZykoticK9> MBHAKM, but that only applies to Gstreamer stuff
[08:57] <ZykoticK9> Martiner, assuming it was a kernel update that broke it -- can you hold SHIFT while booting and select an older kernel and see if it works?
[08:58] <Martiner> Its  the same kernel as before the update.. Is there a way to revert to previous networkmanager maybe? If thats the problem?
[08:58] <MBHAKM> ZykoticK9: I'm aware of that URL. That URL is off no use already tested in 10.04 beta
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> I just see/bookmark guides i see.  Ive never had to actually remove pulse.
[08:59] <ZykoticK9> MBHAKM, that was Dr_Willis earlier post (i believe it may have been in #ubuntu and not +1 however)
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> so thats about all i know on the topic.
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> Yea i forget what channel im in when i paste. :)
[08:59] <MBHAKM> These pulseaudio is really a sucks killing all voice call programs
[08:59] <MBHAKM> ALSa was really good
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> anyt time ive evef had pulse issues. I just set theapp to use alsa.
[09:00] <evilshadeslayer_> Dr_Willis: can you access kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> but ive rarely had issues
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> trying now evilshadeslayer_
[09:00] <MBHAKM> I have one tutorial which is a old tutorial
[09:00] <MBHAKM> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1229804
[09:00] <evilshadeslayer_> okies
[09:01] <LordKow> pulseaudio uses alsa.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> Pulse is handy when you can route the sound out from the laotp to the main machine that has the kicking sound system :)
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> evilshadeslayer_:  that site seems down.
[09:02] <evilshadeslayer_> Dr_Willis: hmmm
[09:02] <evilshadeslayer_> too bad..
[09:03] <evilshadeslayer_> afk
[09:03] <MBHAKM> i hv a internal microphone issue cannot record sound recorder or outgoing calls
[09:03] <MBHAKM> which is creating a mess on pulse audio
[09:04] <ZykoticK9> MBHAKM, which is more likely an ALSA issue then a Pulse issue, just sayin'
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> !manual
[09:05] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, if you're looking for the Ubuntu Manual see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> yea there needs tobe a factoid for that. theres a book in the works
[09:06] <ZykoticK9> the beta is available for download
[09:06] <ZykoticK9> 172 pdf pages of Lucid goodness
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. is there a different one also> or has that site radically been redesigned in the last few days/weeks?
[09:08] <ZykoticK9> i was VERY surprised when i returned to my bookmark to send it too you -- big redesign i'd say
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> are those 2 the same or different.. Hmm
[09:08] <ZykoticK9> different
[09:09] <ZykoticK9> your's is better even - love the by-the-second countdown
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> Well they are diffefent sites.. but the same book it looks like
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual   dosent mention the  http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> site
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> but they both point to the same download.
[09:10] <ZykoticK9> that does seem to be a bit of an oversight
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> at least we now HAVE an actual manual we can send newbies to :)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> i skimmed it last night.. it still needs a little work in some areas.
[09:12] <ZykoticK9> i was surprised they documented apt-get instead of aptitude
[09:12] <evilshadeslayer_> Dr_Willis: test.ubuntu-manual.org too
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> has some optiosn ive not seen at the other sites..
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> Printing options and other languages.
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> Its total Kahos!
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> Chaos.
[09:13] <evilshadeslayer_> Kaos :D
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> The wiki pages are good but are often overwhelming for a total beginner.. while that beginners guide.. may leave them with out knowing where to go to learn more,
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> we almost need a "Beginners Wiki' :)
[09:14] <evilshadeslayer_> hehe
[09:15] <evilshadeslayer_> Dr_Willis: is there guide on how to autoconnect with weechat and autoidentify ?
[09:16] <ZykoticK9> I certainly think the Manual is a great idea - good for encouraging adoption
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> Chapter 1 - item 1 - how to move the buttons back to the right... :)
[09:16] <evilshadeslayer_> hehe
[09:17] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, you need to lobby to get the !controls factoid included ;)
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> Thereis some factoid like that allready
[09:17] <kev_str> Hey guys, the process of installation was pretty much done, and right before it should go and ask if I want to stay or reboot now it said Ubiquity crashed. is it safe to reboot anyways?
[09:17] <ZykoticK9> !controls
[09:18] <evilshadeslayer_> kev_str: probably yes
[09:18] <ZykoticK9> I love that factoid -- it links to my site :) Pride.
[09:18] <kev_str> evilshadeslayer_: probably ? :)
[09:19] <spiongraz> hi, my lucid install always locks up after 1-30 minutes, hard lock up, no response to anything, when i reboot then i find nothing suspicious in the logfiles, this happens with kernel 2.6.32-19 2.6.33 2.6.34rc3  . how could i analyse the faulty behaviour ?
[09:20] <kev_str> hmm...no..did not install properly, at the very least it didn't update grub
[09:20] <kev_str> i still see my old mint grub and nothing about ubuntu
[09:21] <RPG-Master> if I gave y'all my email, would someone email me when there's a solution to the compiz problem?
[09:22] <RPG-Master> *besides not using compiz
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> RPG-Master:  update,upgrade every so often.. wait for it to get fixed.
[09:22] <RPG-Master> Dr_Willis: OK then :P
[09:23] <RPG-Master> And with that, Goodnight :D
[09:23] <kev_str> sigh...gonna have to reinstall :@
[09:23] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, i think the problem you are having is mainly that there isn't a compiz problem!  The issue was caused by incorrect updating i believe, so i doubt there is a bug.
[09:23] <RPG-Master> ZykoticK9: Then how do I fix it?
[09:23] <evilshadeslayer_> kev_str: well i dont think you need to reinstall
[09:23] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, without a time machine i have no idea
[09:24] <RPG-Master> well poo
[09:24] <kev_str> evilshadeslayer_: i tried accessing the partition, and it would let me see but on some folders it wouldn't
[09:24] <RPG-Master> ZykoticK9: could a future update fix it?
[09:24] <evilshadeslayer_> kev_str: probably because you need root access :)
[09:24] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, maybe, Dr_Willis's update every so oftern will hopefully fix it (with time)
[09:25] <kev_str> evilshadeslayer_: already did that ;) mint asks for the password before I access any other partition
[09:25] <RPG-Master> Well, I guess hoping is all I can do...
[09:25] <RPG-Master> NOW goodnight! :P
[09:25] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, hope it works out for you!  good night
[09:25] <ZykoticK9> missed
[09:27] <kev_str> evilshadeslayer_: i might as well re-install. The only thing that took time was moving around the sectors etc.
[09:27] <evilshadeslayer_> kev_str: okies.. your choice :)
[09:27] <kev_str> yeh :D
[09:29] <apparle> I get this while compiling a source "./configure: line 3976: smr_WITH_BUILD_PATH: command not found"
[09:34] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i cant get weechat to auto identify..
[09:34] <shadeslayer> whats the command
[09:34] <sda_> hi all, Question: I just installed UB10.04, in UB9.10 or before i was able to see the current path like a string, and edit like a text, here i cannot understand if is possible and how to! can someone help me? thanks!
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I thinki made an on connect setting
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> the iset script in weechat is a MUST use. :)
[09:35] <ZykoticK9> sda_, if you mean in Nautilus just press the / key
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> irc.server.freenode.command  = string '/msg nickserv identify password'
[09:36] <sda_> it doesn't work
[09:36] <ZykoticK9> sda_, ctrl+l then
[09:37] <sda_> ok, but everytime i have to press, i cannot leave all the time like that?
[09:37] <ZykoticK9> sda_, one moment
[09:37] <ZykoticK9> sda_, see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/location-bar-in-nautilus to make it permanent
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu-tweak has a setting for that also i recall sda_
[09:38] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: doesn work
[09:38] <DanaG> hmm, is lucid supposed to use nouveau by default, when xorg.conf is not present?
[09:38] <sda_> Thanks! I love ubuntu! i always find help :)
[09:38] <apparle> I get this while compiling a source "./configure: line 3976: smr_WITH_BUILD_PATH: command not found" what to do
[09:38] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: and what about SSL support?
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> ive not tried it lately.. lets see.
[09:38] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[09:38] <DanaG> When I try removing xorg.conf, it's seeming to try to use nv or vesa.
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  not sure.  i saw some docs on it. but never tried it
[09:39] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, it "should" be using nouveau -- lspci -vnvn and find the VGA and it will tell you what driver is being used
[09:40] <DanaG> It was using nouvea with KMS (since I enabled that) just fine.... but xorg without xorg.conf was trying to do vesa or nv.
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I dont even see that setting in Ubuntu-tweak any more
[09:42] <Dr_Willis>  /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> problem with setting that - is it dosent togle the location entry tobe the default on,.. it  Forces it to always be on.. You cant get back to the pathbar with ctrl-l
[09:43] <kev_str> ok, ubiquity has crashed twice already on me
[09:43] <kev_str> what the heck is  going on..
[09:52] <kev_str> can anyone help me figure out why ubiquity is crashing everytime I finish installing?
[09:54] <kklimonda> kev_str: you should have a log
[09:54] <kklimonda> kev_str: look for it in /var/log/
[09:54] <kev_str> kklimonda: thanks
[09:55] <kklimonda> kev_str: or launch the installer from terminal and see what it reports.
[09:55] <kev_str> well its installing again, let me see what happens
[09:56] <LordKow> kev_str: just a shot in the dark, but how much room are you giving ubiquity, from a disk space standpoint.
[09:56] <kev_str> 10gb, LordKow
[09:56] <kev_str> could it be that I am updating the installer?
[09:57] <kev_str> kklimonda: i got the log but i dont know what im looking for exactly
[09:58] <LordKow> kev_str:  it is possible that ubiquity is trying to update itself during an install process using ubiquity, now whether that is the problem or not i do not know.
[09:59] <foxbuntu_irssi> anyone have thoughts on why my Alps touchpad is causing X to fail, it goes into low graphics mode but wont go past the error?
[09:59] <LordKow> kev_str: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ the ubiquity log
[09:59] <kev_str> LordKow: well at the beginning of the installation it asks if I want to update the installer. Everytime I'd tried so far i have updated. if it fails again I'll do it w/o updating it
[10:00] <LordKow> kev_str: what image are you using for the install?
[10:00] <kev_str> beta1 i think
[10:01] <kev_str> http://pastebin.com/W3BRaUDi
[10:02] <LordKow> i would use at least beta 2 or newer
[10:02] <kev_str> i didn't wanna burn another cd ;) been going at this for the past 2 hours
[10:02] <kev_str> same problem, going to try this time w/o update
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> i use usb flas drives these days
[10:11] <Moult> is lucid capable of iphone 3gs (os 3 i think) sync? music, photos, whatever? (sorry for the possible offtopic but google is giving me mixed results)
[10:11] <kev_str> LordKow: I have a strong feeling its the updates because I had used this cd before last week
[10:12] <ubuntufreak> I get an error while i try to activate my ATI graphic driver in Ubuntu 10.04, http://paste.ubuntu.com/412498/
[10:13] <kklimonda> ubuntufreak: you have a wrong kernel version
[10:14] <ubuntufreak> kklimonda: what should i do to correct it ?
[10:14] <kklimonda> ubuntufreak: install linux-image-generic
[10:15] <kklimonda> ubuntufreak: then restart and see if the 2.6.32 kernel is loaded
[10:15] <ubuntufreak> yeah sure would try that
[10:16] <ubuntufreak> kklimonda: thanks for the help !
[10:20] <foxbuntu_irssi> Hey all, anyone have an idea how i can get X to go beyond an error about my touchpad? It goes into low graphics mode and then gets stuck (restarting X / continue in low graphics mode / ect ) leaves me in the same loop of options, it never gets to the actual session.
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> foxbuntu_irssi:  here i tell it to exit to the console.. and it then works.. not sure wht
[10:21] <foxbuntu_irssi> Dr_Willis: I can do that, and then I do get the console, but never the X session
[10:22] <kev_str> LordKow: success :D
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> foxbuntu_irssi:  try 'startx' and see if it works
[10:23] <foxbuntu_irssi> Dr_Willis: ok, I have done "sudo start gdm" and it just kicks me back to the "low graphics mode" with the error about my touchpad
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> you could move/renam,e the xorg.conf file and try restartign gdm agaun
[10:26] <foxbuntu_irssi> Dr_Willis: I have tried that as well.
[10:26] <foxbuntu_irssi> Dr_Willis: btw, thanks in advance for any ideas/help
[10:35] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: can you point me to the weechat libnotify script?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  iused the weescript script to install it.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> there used to be a archive at the weechat page of all teh scripts..  but i cant find it now
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> they got a list of otehr scripts. one is 'weeget' (i think_) that is like a script-mnager that lets you isntall other scripts
[10:36] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: http://www.weechat.org/scripts
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> yep thats the site
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> grab iset and weeget first. :) they are handy
[10:37] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: have those
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> use weeget to install the notify script is one way to grabit.
[10:38] <Dr_Willis>  /weeget install notify
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  so is it working?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: one sec
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: where are all the scripts stored?
[10:40] <Dr_Willis>  .weechat/
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> they could stand to be a littl ebetter organized.. they got them sorted by languiage
[10:41] <Dr_Willis>  notify.py = is in the python dir. it should autoload if you used weeget
[10:41] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> tab completion works in MANY MANY places in weechat also
[10:42] <Dr_Willis>  /weeget list notify
[10:42] <Dr_Willis>    | ir  notify           py  Notification on screen for highlights and private messages.
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> its installed and running  'i r'
[10:42] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: and how does one reload all the plugins?
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> see if its loaded.. it should be already running
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> anything in the autoload dirs gets autoloaded at startup
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> sometimes ya got to read the scripts to figure out how to use them :)
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> cant fgure out how to use Upside_down :)
[10:48] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: 15:17:18  weechat     | python: stdout/stderr: ImportError: No module named pynotify
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> you may be missing some packages then I guess.
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> !find pynotify
[10:50] <mavimo> hello guy..
[10:50] <mavimo> ..i have some issue on ATI driver, anyone can help me.
[10:52] <coz_> mavimo,  i am the most  unknowledgeable with ati  on line.... however what issues are you having?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: ok
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  working now?
[10:54] <mavimo> coz_: I try to use ati (radeon) package but compositing don't work, i try to reconfigure xorg, but the issue don't desappair.
[10:55] <mavimo> coz_: if i try to use hadrware driver utillity and install ATI driver (fglrx)my screen was "broken"
[10:55] <coz_> mavimo,  two things.....  first    a Radeon 7000 (or M6). For 7000 to HD4xxx series cards, you can use the open source "radeon" driver. HD2xxx and later series cards are also supported by the proprietary "fglrx" driver.   and second ..the one person I  completely trust with ati  troubleshooting is soreau in #compiz
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> I use hammers on ATI cards. :)
[10:55] <coz_> lol
[10:55] <mavimo> :)
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: done and running
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: try a test
[10:55] <mavimo> I use ATI radeon HD 4760
[10:56] <coz_> mavimo,  ok I dont know if soreau is at his system at this moment...he may just be logging right now...but he will be available at some point today
[10:56] <coz_> mavimo,  you could go to #readeon   channel also
[10:57] <coz_> mavimo,  rather   #radeon
[10:57] <mavimo> coz_: ok, tks, i try to find it :P
[10:57] <coz_> mavimo,  also talk with soreau at some point
[10:57] <wooah> everyone knows Nautilus SMB browsing is still broken?
[10:57] <coz_> mavimo,   he is always in  #compiz as I am but I only know about nvidia stuff
[10:58] <wooah> Error: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[10:58] <wooah> Please select another viewer and try again. :D
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  working now?
[10:58] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: yes! :P
[11:03] <manas> hey all
[11:03] <manas> ive just updated to lucid
[11:04] <ubuntufreak> I am not able to enable the desktop-effects in Lucid,  do i have to install any package for that ?
[11:05] <utkarsh> hello, i have a problem with Ubuntu 10.04 - my swap memory gets full after 5-6hours of computer usage, should i report a bug? if yes, then what dump should i provide?
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> theres been issues with that  lately ubuntufreak
[11:05] <Dr_Willis>  ubuntufreak  compiz --replace might work.
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  also check out the window splitting features :)
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: what window splitting?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> the nick list on the right?
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  You can turn that off. :)
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  i got a upper/lower channel in this window. #ubuntu up top. @ubuntu+1 down below
[11:07] <ubuntufreak> Dr_Willis: Compiz --replace doesn't work out for me :(
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: oh.. that will just confuse me :P
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i like the default setup :D
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  f8 switches from one to the other
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> I always hide the nicklist.
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: btw suppose i want to go to channel 12,what do i do?
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> theres a 'go' script that makes a little list also  you may want
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> 12 channels is a little overkill :)
[11:08] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:09] <shadeslayer> im in 13 right now :D
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> and 12of them are idle. :)
[11:09] <utkarsh> any ideas guys?
[11:10] <utkarsh>  my swap memory gets full after 5-6hours of computer usage, should i report a bug? if yes, then what dump should i provide?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: nah... freenode and #kubuntu and pretty active ;)
[11:10]  * shadeslayer wonders why he gets a pink line after a few lins
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> i dont hang in #kubuntu much any more
[11:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:12] <utkarsh> awesome support guys
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> awsome betatesting there as well.
[11:13] <coc0nut> Is it just me, or does something just not feel right with KD 4?
[11:13] <coc0nut> *KDE
[11:13] <coc0nut> GNOME feels sleek and smooth and polished
[11:14] <coc0nut> KDE just feels... hacky or something
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> the kde4 defaults i find are lacking
[11:15] <brian> Hello, has anyone gotten gnome shell to work in beta 2?
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> it wouldent even install for me lat week when i tried brian
[11:15] <brian> Same dependency problem?
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> had some.. not tried it this week
[11:16] <brian> I tried the latest build, but I get horrible performance
[11:16] <Dr_Willis>  gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[11:16] <brian> Yep, that is the same problem I have
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> been that way for at least a week now
[11:16] <brian> I tracked it down to a problem with xulrunner 1.9.1
[11:17] <brian> Sometimes i wish libraries were backwards compatible
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> for miner release #'s they are - i thought
[11:19] <brian> Well, they pre-build the .debs for the particular libraries
[11:19] <brian> And then you can usually have multiple library versions
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> this google chrome repo being slow.. is a very annoying thing
[11:20] <brian> I know
[11:20] <brian> I have had the same problem
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> Fix Google Chrome repository slowness for "apt-get update"
[11:20] <Gintulis> when I am booting ubuntu, bootsplash rezoliution is look like 600x480 8bit colors, how to fix it?
[11:20] <brian> I moved to the chromium repo, so much faster
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-first-time-use-script-02.html
[11:20] <larsivi> hi - did anyone successfully use fglrx with 10.04?
[11:20] <larsivi> I have dell studio xps with mobility radeon 4600 hd
[11:21] <brian> Haha, yeah, I JUST did that, larsivi
[11:21] <brian> sudo aticonfig --initial    then reboot
[11:21] <larsivi> brian: ok, I just did not :P are there any fixes in the pipeline?
[11:24] <brian> larsivi , are you still there?
[11:54] <tatters> My laptop runs karmic with intel graphic drivers but when I upgrade to lucid it removes those drivers and installs nvidia settings manager and the nouevo drivers leaving me with no 3D, has lucid wrongly assumed I have a nvidia graphic card?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> tatters:  someone yesterday in here was mentiongintg the same thing
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> check the bug reports/forums perhaps.
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> I rarely upgrade. i always try to do clean installs
[11:58] <nokia3510>  Hello everyone
[11:58] <nokia3510> In Grub legacy, using vga=0x345 I get a decent resolution from boot to GDM
[11:58] <nokia3510> In grub2 however, /etc/default/GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024 works only for the Grub menu, and after initiating the boot process it switches back to a very low res mode until GDM
[11:58] <nokia3510> Can anyone point me in the right direction to achieve the grub-legacy result when using the newer version of it ?
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> sounds like Plymouth issues. but i just disable plymouth.
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> I dont worry about the res of the boot screens/displays
[11:59] <nokia3510> Well, I do :)
[12:00] <nokia3510> useful for troubleshooting
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> given i got a 20 sec boot time.. I dont even see theimages enogh  to notice the res
[12:01] <nokia3510> perhaps, but when something goes wrong, it's more appropriate to have a decent res to work on, rather than having three letters/row :)
[12:02] <nokia3510> gnome-shell has broken deps for a week now too :)
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> disable the framebuffer compaetely and fall back to the 80x35 or whatever it is text mode. Ive never seen res go down to  low res like that.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> Plymouth has had so many problems. and all this work to make things work smoothly.. and it still goofs up.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> X is tarting way befor it used to. thats what you are seeing most likely the X res.
[12:05] <nokia3510> let me find plymouth first :)
[12:05] <nokia3510> meaning it's config file
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> good luck. its a tad complex
[12:06] <nokia3510> I see ;)
[12:23] <bagpuss_thecat> morning all
[12:23] <penguin42> morning cat
[12:24]  * penguin42 expects that bagpuss_thecat is stretching
[12:24] <bagpuss_thecat> actually, it's 24 minutes into the afternoon :-)
[12:25] <shadeslayer> heh... its 5 hours into the afternoon here
[12:25] <penguin42> bagpuss_thecat: Yeh well same here, but I only just got up
[12:25]  * bagpuss_thecat has found a nice patch of warm sunshine, and is stretching on the bed
[12:25] <shadeslayer> so its evening here :P
[12:25]  * bagpuss_thecat gets handed coffee
[12:25] <bagpuss_thecat> O_O
[12:26] <bagpuss_thecat> don't suppose anyone could cast some light on this one? http://pastebin.com/ZmJgDkGj
[12:27] <bagpuss_thecat> I've tried removing /boot/grub/menu.lst and grub.cfg, and also apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-19, to no avail
[12:28]  * penguin42 isn't awake yet - what's the problem with that?
[12:28] <shadeslayer> bagpuss_thecat: try : sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-19
[12:28] <penguin42> oh, the update-grub2
[12:28] <penguin42> shadeslayer: But I think that will just call update-grub2
[12:29] <shadeslayer> penguin42: no.. that will reconfigure the whole kernel...
[12:29] <shadeslayer> penguin42: it will add anything missing to /boot/ and then call update-grub2
[12:29] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh but there isn't much to config, worth a try but I don't think it should help
[12:30] <shadeslayer> lets see
[12:30]  * bagpuss_thecat is awaiting the output :)
[12:32]  * bagpuss_thecat is also awaiting a faster laptop...
[12:33] <bagpuss_thecat> same result unfortunately http://pastebin.com/gkdvtvBs
[12:34] <kklimonda> bagpuss_thecat: check if all files in /etc/grub.d/ have execute bit set
[12:34] <kklimonda> all but README
[12:34] <kklimonda> oh, it does launch all of them
[12:34] <kklimonda> hmm..
[12:34] <bagpuss_thecat> I was just heading over there to have a look, and they are present, but of 0 size
[12:35] <bagpuss_thecat> dpkg -S to the rescue
[12:35] <kklimonda> right, that could break them
[12:35] <kklimonda> delete them and reinstall some grub package
[12:36] <bagpuss_thecat> just did apt-get install --reinstall grub-common, and update-grub is now working as expected :-)
[12:36] <bagpuss_thecat> ta muchly for the help
[12:37] <bagpuss_thecat> I suspect this is all due to the dodgy battery latch on the laptop...
[12:40] <bagpuss_thecat> sunshine++
[12:50] <dashavoo> I'm trying to install the latest beta on an old laptop, but the whole thing hangs whenever it tries to start X, any suggestions?
[12:52] <IdleOne> !alternate
[12:52] <dashavoo> sorry, I didn't make myself clear
[12:52] <dashavoo> I already installed it using the alternative cd, now trying to boot into the system it hangs when X tries to start
[12:55] <penguin42> dashavoo: Which graphics card?
[12:56] <dashavoo> penguin42: according to lspci intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphic Device
[12:56] <penguin42> hmm I thought that should work
[12:59] <pac1> anyone else having trouble with beta1 and beta2 hanging on boot?  this happens on the regular beta2 install disk and after installing the alternate beta1 or beta2.  series of dots turn colors for a while then stop.
[12:59] <penguin42> pac1: What hardware?
[12:59] <penguin42> dashavoo: does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[13:01] <pac1> nvidia, 2 monitors one 1280x1024, one 1920x1080.  Oh and with one monitor it seems to work.
[13:01] <dashavoo> penguin42: no, the backlight is on, and the fan is definitely working (I've heard quieter vacuum cleaners), but the doesn't appear to be anything else going on... no flashing leds for disk access etc.
[13:01] <penguin42> pac1: Hmm the nividia guys normally don't seem to have that problem
[13:01] <pac1> oh?
[13:02] <pac1> I can reproduce it at will.  I'm a little unsure of what to collect in order to report it though.  Can you guide me on that?
[13:02] <penguin42> dashavoo: I'd probably boot off a live cd and see if I can see anything in the logs, specifically /var/log/Xorg.0.log - if it's trying to use compiz/desktop effects/3d I'd try and stop it
[13:02] <pac1> lspci of course, but what else?
[13:03] <penguin42> pac1: dmesg and dmidecode
[13:03] <dashavoo> I looked in the logs but they are empty, and I also tried disabling compiz by making it inexecutable, but that made no difference
[13:03] <hawk> If I have a command that I need to run before filesystems in fstab ar mounted, how would I achieve that these days? (10.04b2)
[13:04] <penguin42> hawk: Maybe if you put it in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-* and regenerated the initramfs it would do it
[13:04] <penguin42> dashavoo: I'd try and see if I could get it to boot without X
[13:05] <aprilhare> is the login screen still meant to look chocolatey?
[13:05] <dashavoo> I can boot it without X if I use the rescue boot option, and things work until I try to start X from there and then the same problem
[13:05] <aprilhare> 'cause it does here.
[13:06] <hawk> penguin42: local-premount sounds like it might be the right thing, thanks.... I guess I'll have to read up on how to get the actual binary in place so it's available at that stage, though...
[13:06] <penguin42> dashavoo: I can't suggest much except report it as a bug against xserver-xorg-video-intel
[13:07]  * penguin42 goes to get breakfast
[13:09] <dashavoo> penguin42: thanks for trying, enjoy breakfast
[13:10] <aprilhare> does anyone else have the problem of the login screen not changing appearance after upgrade?
[13:11] <aprilhare> i know appearances aren't essentially important, but still :)
[13:15] <Saviq> guys, I have an up-to-date lucid installation and I'm experiencing a long (some 30s or so) delay before suspend / shutdown, any idea what might cause that?
[13:16] <Tiibiidii> hello
[13:16] <Tiibiidii> there is someone that knows its way around wubi?
[13:17] <Tiibiidii> i was affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477104
[13:17] <Tiibiidii> so yesterday i recovered my ubuntu install, and updated to lucid
[13:17] <SandGorgon> Saviq, i'm having the same issue on suspend/resume - do u have an nvidia card.. there are some bugs that track them here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567253 and  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/510004
[13:17] <Saviq> SandGorgon: yes
[13:17] <Tiibiidii> the upgrade went somewhat wrong
[13:18] <Saviq> SandGorgon: but I'm having this delay before suspend, resume's fine
[13:18] <Tiibiidii> so i had to do a partial upgrade
[13:18] <Tiibiidii> after that i rebooted
[13:18] <Tiibiidii> it rebooted fine (X broke, but that's due to the flgrx drivers)
[13:18] <SandGorgon> Saviq, that also might be that your swap space is too small - ur swap needs to  be almost the same size as ur RAM
[13:18] <Tiibiidii> so i updated the flgrx drivers
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> rebooted in windows to purge the temporary boot.disk i created to rescue my old karmic install
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> but now
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> it doesn't boots anymore
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> it "senses" grub
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> with this i mean:
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> it shows the countdown
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> but after that
[13:19] <Saviq> SandGorgon: I think you're thinking hibernate, not suspend-to-ram
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> if i press ESC
[13:19] <Tiibiidii> or if i wait the countdown to finish
[13:20] <Tiibiidii> the screen output disappears
[13:20] <Saviq> SandGorgon: my swap is empty
[13:20] <Tiibiidii> and the whole pc reboots
[13:20] <Tiibiidii> someone here has any idea?
[13:20] <Tiibiidii> i guess it may be this bug:
[13:20] <Tiibiidii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/grub2/+bug/508173
[13:21] <SandGorgon> Saviq, I know what u mean - a swap is a hard-disk. But, while investigating these bugs I came across that reason among - even for suspend. I dunno if it is true. Do add ur name to the bugs, if u think it is related.Speed 'em up for all of us ;)
[13:24] <Tiibiidii_> whoops
[13:24] <Tiibiidii_> sorry
[13:24] <Tiibiidii_> flaky wifi connection
[13:24] <Tiibiidii_> someone replied to me?
[13:25] <arand> Tiibiidii_: nope, not that I see 20-24
[13:25] <Tiibiidii_> ah
[13:26] <Tiibiidii_> do you have any idea arand?
[13:27] <arand> Tiibiidii: Nope, sorry
[13:27] <Tiibiidii> thanks anyhow
[13:27] <Tiibiidii> but there isn't a wubi support chan?
[13:27] <Tiibiidii> imho wubi it's quite a niche of itself that should deserve it
[13:30] <Tiibiidii> (i'll go trying in #grub)
[13:34] <jimi_hendrix> hello, i just installed the lucid lynx beta, and seem to be having video problems.  there are little purple flecks flashing across my screen and once in a while a line shoots all the way across, as if i was watching a tv that was getting some interference, but displaying a picture.  if i install the fglrx drive (my vid card is an ATI Mobility HD 3470), the purple flecks and lines go away, but then it is not smooth when i move my windows aro
[13:34] <jimi_hendrix> und (as i anticipated since ATI dropped support for my card in fglrx a little while back).  what should i do
[13:36] <pac1> hey is anyone paying attention to bug # 533135.  It affects beta1 and beta2
[13:37] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: Report a bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati
[13:37] <jimi_hendrix> where shall i report this bug
[13:37] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: There is also a mailing list that deals with ati drivers that you could try
[13:37] <jimi_hendrix> penguin42, and then what do i do
[13:37] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: Just run ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati
[13:38] <pac1> 533135 causes the install cd to hang on the 2nd screen (the one with the series of dots)
[13:38] <simontol> Hi, my Lucid machine stuck at boot when fsck'ing disks
[13:39] <pac1> Its going to do that for a lot of people who have two monitors.
[13:39] <penguin42> simontol: Does it keep going back and redoing it?
[13:39] <methril> it's lucid using KMS (Kernel Mode Settings) in all drivers?
[13:39] <penguin42> simontol: Or does it get stuck at a particular % ?
[13:40] <penguin42> methril: Most of them
[13:40] <methril> the 8xxxHD too?
[13:40] <penguin42> don't know
[13:40] <methril> (R770 chipset)?
[13:40] <simontol> penguin42: it stuck at 76% and then nothin... I had to ctrl+alt+del and then reboot
[13:40] <methril> just upgraded one machine with this graphic card
[13:40] <JoshuaL> I have a laptop with an intel core i5 processor. Does Lucid support Turbo Boost and if yes how can I test if it works?
[13:41] <methril> and when i log into ti shut downs
[13:41] <penguin42> simontol: Yeh we've seen a few people on here with that, the fix is to manually fsck from an install/rescue CD
[13:41] <penguin42> JoshuaL: It seems to work on my i7, but it doesn't get shown by the normal cpu monitors
[13:42] <methril> i downloaded a desktop CD but it'1 not booting properly
[13:42] <JoshuaL> penguin42, and how did you check it?
[13:42] <simontol> penguin42: the bootsplash is at very low resolution too, is there any fix for that?
[13:42] <penguin42> JoshuaL: Using this: code.google.com/p/i7z/
[13:44] <JoshuaL> penguin42, cool i will look into that :)
[13:44] <jimi_hendrix> penguin42, running ubuntu-bug, should i describe this as "shows screen corruption", or as other?
[13:45] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: If it shows screen corruption then that's a fine title
[13:47] <jimi_hendrix> penguin42, well what is screen corruption defined as?
[13:49] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: Erm I'm not sure there's a dictionary definition, but just when it's obviously wrong as opposed to just an app saying the wrong thing; you might want to say 'odd purple flecks on ATI Mobility HD 3470'
[13:49] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[13:49] <penguin42> simontol: What graphics card? Nvidia?
[13:50] <simontol> penguin42: yes
[13:50] <Machtin> hm. why can i only listen to audio via one programm at once?
[13:50] <penguin42> simontol: I don't think it knows how to get Nvidia to do high res so the boot screen is low res
[13:50] <penguin42> Machtin: Hmm if they all use pulse it should work
[13:50] <Machtin> no clue if they do
[13:50] <penguin42> what are they?
[13:50] <Machtin> it's videolan, amarok and opera(flash) for example
[13:51] <Machtin> no combination works, if i didn't forget one
[13:51] <Machtin> which i shouldn't, because there are only 3.
[13:51] <penguin42> ah, kde?
[13:51] <Machtin> yup
[13:52] <Machtin> so. i don't know if i have pulseaudio at all
[13:52] <penguin42> kde doesn't use pulse - it uses something else that I forget
[13:52] <Machtin> hmm, i see
[13:53] <penguin42> simontol: You might want to subscribe to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/559769 I just confirmed it, I suspect there might be another one around somewhere but if there is it'll get merged
[13:55] <simontol> penguin42: thanks
[13:59] <vitium> I can't install ubuntu lucid beta 2 - It shows me a splash screen then thats it
[13:59] <yofel> KDE should use phonon, which should work
[14:00] <vitium> "Bad page state in process swapper"
[14:01] <penguin42> vitium: That's after installing?
[14:01] <vitium> Before
[14:01] <simontol> penguin42 : also found a bug for the boot screen resolution issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/551013
[14:01] <vitium> I have beta 1 installed on a partition and beta 2 - I am trying to install beta 2 from dvd over beta 1 but I can't get into the installer
[14:02] <penguin42> vitium: Not seen that error before; some googles suggest it can be bad ram
[14:02] <vitium> I know which is annoying because I just bought the RAM about 3 weeks ago
[14:03] <vitium> Had a faulty batch last time too
[14:03] <vitium> I'll take a stick out and see whether it'll load
[14:03] <penguin42> vitium: Run the memtest86 boot over night and see if it's happy; check you have the right type of RAM, don't overclock it
[14:04] <vitium> penguin42: Thanks for the help, I'll keep you posted
[14:05] <penguin42> anyone using chromium from the ppas?  The list of URLs partially matching seems now to be green on brown for me - yuch!
[14:06] <benomatic> by all appearances, 10.04 uses a different grub mechanism... where is easiest place to go and add a vmalloc default?
[14:06] <penguin42> benomatic: 10.04 uses Grub2 (as 9.10 started doing) - what are you trying to add?
[14:07] <benomatic> vmalloc=192M ... curiously my old menu.lst is laying around, but i presume that it is ignored.
[14:07] <penguin42> benomatic: It depends, do a dpkg -l grub - does it show it installed (ii) or uninstalled (un)
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> wow - 200 updates
[14:09] <benomatic> penguin42: ii  grub-common     1.98-1ubuntu4    GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2
[14:09] <penguin42> penguin42: Yeh but what other grub packages?
[14:09] <vitium> penguin42 - Taken one stick out and its working perfectly again
[14:10] <vitium> penguin42: I think slot 2 on my motherboard is faulty :(
[14:10] <benomatic> penguin42: grub-common and grub-pc, both 1.98
[14:10] <penguin42> vitium: OK, when you get a chance run a memtest86 on it for a few hours though
[14:10] <penguin42> benomatic: OK, so you are on Grub 2
[14:10] <vitium> penguin42: Will do
[14:10] <penguin42> benomatic: See /etc/default/grub  you can add things to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
[14:11] <benomatic> penguin42: danke
[14:11] <Tiibiidii> penguin42, can i ask you something about grub?
[14:12] <penguin42> Tiibiidii: YOu can try, I can't promise I can answer it
[14:12] <jimi_hendrix> penguin42, now, what should i do that the bug is reported?
[14:12] <Tiibiidii> ok, i've already written about it before... i'm going to copypaste it
[14:13] <benomatic> penguin42: it appears that I simply run grub-mkconfig afterward?
[14:13] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: good question; you could try the xorg-edgers ppa's https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers  they're a bit newer and you could try them or they might break completely; or you could make sure you disable anything clever - disable desktop effeects/compiz and see if it's ok
[14:13] <penguin42> jimi_hendrix: You could also ask on #ubuntu-x
[14:15] <yofel> penguin42: the fsck freeze is known as bug 554079 btw.
[14:15] <penguin42> yofel: Ah right, I'll merge the other one - we could really do witha  list of common ones
[14:15] <benomatic> penguin42: n'mind.  update-grub seems to be the magic cmd. :)
[14:16] <penguin42> oh, already merged
[14:17] <vitium> lucid has a very nice install gui
[14:17] <Tiibiidii> i was affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477104 , so yesterday i recovered my ubuntu install, and updated to lucid... but the upgrade went somewhat wrong
[14:17] <Tiibiidii> so i had to do a partial upgrade, after that i rebooted... the reboot wen fine (X broke, but that's due to the flgrx drivers),  so i updated the flgrx drivers and then rebooted in windows to purge the temporary boot.disk i created to rescue my old karmic install
[14:17] <Tiibiidii>  but now it doesn't boots anymore but it "senses" grub... with this i mean: it shows the countdown, but after that if i press ESC or if i wait the countdown to finish the screen output disappears and the whole pc reboots
[14:17] <Tiibiidii>   i guess it may be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/grub2/+bug/508173 but running an update-grub didn't solve the issue
[14:17] <benomatic> penguin42: thanks again!  works ;)
[14:18] <Tiibiidii> now i've tried asking in #grub and they told me it's an "old known bug" and that i should google for "wubildr upgrade instructions", but that's seems related to the original bug 477104
[14:19] <Tiibiidii> penguin42, any idea?
[14:19] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[14:19] <Damascene> hello, if some one built a package on launchpad ppa and want someone to test it. is this the place?
[14:19] <ulle> was compiz intentionally deactivated ?
[14:19] <penguin42> Tiibiidii: Is this a wubi install?
[14:19] <Tiibiidii> yes
[14:19] <penguin42> Tiibiidii: Sorry, I've never done wubi
[14:20] <penguin42> ulle: It tends to have a disable for some graphics cards it knows don't work well
[14:21] <ulle> penguin42, hmmm i ve never had problems with compiz in ages with this card
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> there was some bug that made it get broken last week
[14:22] <ulle> and penguin42 why remove it if one can easily disableit from starting?
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> ther ewas a package bug that got made it accidently get removed - i think
[14:22] <penguin42> ulle: In that case, it might not what you are seeing - I'd check you have 3d drivers ok; the reason for disabling was some times it got so broken for people they couldn't get to the point to disable it on some cards; but it sounds more like you have Dr_Willis's bug
[14:24] <Tiibiidii_> sorry flaky internet connection... penguin42 can you repeat whatever you wrote?
[14:24] <penguin42> Tiibiidii_: Sorry, I just said I didn't know Wubi stuff
[14:25] <Tiibiidii_> ok
[14:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[14:25] <ulle> Dr_Willis , and my sensors-applet got removed too !!!
[14:26] <frenkel> anybody know if the new linuxwacom drivers will be added to lucid?
[14:26] <frenkel> because they add support for 5 bamboo models and some others
[14:26] <frenkel> seems usefull for a LTS
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> i imagine most things are allready frozen. they can make exceptions
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[14:27] <hawk> frenkel: If I were to guess I would guess "no" if they aren't already there
[14:27] <frenkel> it difficult to check
[14:27] <frenkel> because they are part of the kernel package I think?
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> be X input drivers i would think for the most part
[14:29] <topyli> i doubt anything will be added that isn't in already. as for the kernel, some modules may be added to linux-backports-modules
[14:31] <agronholm> hi, has anyone else come across this error when attempting to upgrade ubuntu karmic server to lucid b2? Exception during pm.DoInstall(): E:Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall
[14:32] <Ian_Corne> I think drivers will be backported if needed
[14:36] <agronholm> I mean, I know I'm not the only one having this problem (there's an issue raised on launchpad) but any hints on how to get around it?
[14:37] <penguin42> which issue?
[14:37] <hawk> agronholm: How are you performing the upgrade? Any more output available?
[14:37] <agronholm> hold on
[14:38] <agronholm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/559582
[14:39] <agronholm> hawk, I'm doing "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[14:39] <penguin42> agronholm: Are you also in a kvm guest?
[14:39] <agronholm> no
[14:40] <agronholm> I'm pasting the entire output shortly
[14:41] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain to me why Kwin and my computer hangs itself when ONE application freeze in an inifinite loop? xD
[14:41] <subchee> hello
[14:41] <penguin42> agronholm: What does your fstab look like - could you put in a pastebin?
[14:42] <agronholm> http://www.pastebin.org/146909
[14:43] <penguin42> agronholm: Can you pastebin your fstab please
[14:43] <agronholm> http://www.pastebin.org/146912
[14:44] <penguin42> agronholm: Hmm so the unusual things you have seem to be the tv2 and maybe the raid5
[14:44] <penguin42> agronholm: I'd try taking the tv2 mount out and seeing if you can do the upgrade
[14:44] <agronholm> I commented the tv2 line out but didn't change anything
[14:44] <DDAZZA0> Hello, I'm having graphics problems with lucid.  for example I can't change desktop effects.
[14:45] <penguin42> agronholm: What happens if you make it just the / and swap ?
[14:45] <thiebaude> you got your graphics card drivers installed?
[14:45] <agronholm> will try
[14:45] <agronholm> should I also unmount said volumes?
[14:45] <penguin42> agronholm: I would
[14:45] <DDAZZA0> thiebaude, I'm not sure I've been trying but havn't got anywhere
[14:46] <thiebaude> let ubuntu search for the drivers and then choose the current driver, thats what i did:)
[14:47] <subchee> who uses acerhk on Lucid?
[14:47] <DDAZZA0> thiebaude, the "Hardware Drivers program says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system".
[14:47] <harry-houdini1> if i upgrade to lucid is there a direct path to upgrading to the release version when it comes out?
[14:47] <thiebaude> upgrade manager should offer and upgrade
[14:47] <penguin42> harry-houdini1: Barring any nasty bugs, just keeping it upgraded should do that
[14:47] <thiebaude> an
[14:47] <yofel> DDAZZA0: did you refresh your package cache once since installation?
[14:48] <thiebaude> DDAZZA0, you use nvidia?
[14:48] <DDAZZA0> yofel, sudo apt-get update? and upgrade? yes
[14:48] <DDAZZA0> I have an ATI Radeon HD 4650.
[14:48] <thiebaude> hmm ok ATI:(
[14:49] <DDAZZA0> I've been trying to install things from the software centre
[14:49] <penguin42> DDAZZA0: Were you previously running with the frglx drivers?
[14:49] <agronholm> penguin42, no difference, same error
[14:50] <DDAZZA0> penguin42, yes maby if that was default.
[14:50] <penguin42> agronholm: weird, the only thing I can suggest is working through the mountall install script and seeing what fails - I haven't quite got my head around mountall
[14:50] <DDAZZA0> fglrxinfo returns Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:51] <harry-houdini1> one last question I see there is some problems with nvidia's release of its drivers, so if i am using their package should i first downgrade to ubuntu's package (or risk not getting x working)
[14:51] <persia> Good day.  I'm having an issue booting lucid on an lvm2 system: specifically it appears I need to run `modprobe dm_mod; lvm vgchange -a y` (or modprobe something else that depends on that) in initramfs for each boot.  I don't have to do this on another machine with a similar configuration.  Does anyone happen to know what I need to adjust to make this just work?
[14:51] <DDAZZA0> Is their a simple command to reset the video drivers to default settings?
[14:51] <yofel> harry-houdini1: NEVER use the driver from the nvidia site, use the ubuntu package
[14:52] <bjsnider> yofel, wait. how often should he use the nvidia-installer? i'm not clear on that
[14:53] <yofel> bjsnider: huh?
[14:53] <subchee> does somebody have an acerhk.ko module compiled on Lucid i386?
[14:53] <thiebaude> subchee, sorry i dont
[14:54] <harry-houdini1> sorry i lied found a second bug that might effect me...although it says the bug effects raid 1 I have raid5 with 2TB of storage (so the 2TB limit is ok) but the other bug about out of sync raid1 would that effect a raid 5 as well
[14:54] <bjsnider> yofel, just having a bit of fun with your emphatic uppercase "NEVER"
[14:54] <penguin42> harry-houdini1: OK be very very careful the out of sync raid bug was marked as dangerous
[14:55] <yofel> bjsnider: oh, sorry, I think I'm getting a bit tired of telling people not to use the nvidia site driver...
[14:55] <thiebaude> i heard that yofel :)
[14:55] <bjsnider> well, there's a sticky post in their forums that emphatically tells people to use the distro package
[14:55] <bjsnider> but nobody reads that, do they?
[14:56] <thiebaude> not many do
[14:57] <bjsnider> they want the latest driver. but that's not always a good thing. hdmi audio has been broken since the 190 driver
[14:57] <bjsnider> you have to use the 185 if you need that feature
[14:59] <matmat> nvidia site driver?
[15:00] <yofel> matmat: the NVIDIA*.run that you can download from the nvidia homepage
[15:00] <DDAZZA> When I boot up i just see a purple screen.
[15:00] <matmat> but youre not refering to the one in the lucid repos?
[15:02] <celticjak> ubuntuone issues?
[15:03] <yofel> matmat: I referred to the .run as the site driver and the lucid repos package as the ubuntu package
[15:03] <matmat> okok
[15:03] <bjsnider> !find SDL_image.h
[15:03] <matmat> the ubuntu package one gives me flickering when i play flash
[15:04] <matmat> and the flickering is not in the area of the flash thing, but next to it
[15:04] <yofel> hm, should switching to a tty and back to X set screen brightness to 100%? it does here...
[15:05] <penguin42> yofel: I'd have thought it should restore it somewhere or not change it at all
[15:06] <yofel> hm, seems like switching back to tty7 sets it back  to full, switching to tty keeps the current value
[15:09] <penguin42> yofel: Sounds like a bug in whatever does the restore to graphics then
[15:20] <DDAZZA> Do I need to install something to get opengl programs like tremulus to run?
[15:20] <penguin42> DDAZZA: No as long as your graphics drivers are OK
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> proper 3d video drivers
[15:21] <coz_> ^^
[15:23] <DDAZZA> How do I install them? I downloaded the driver and installed it.
[15:23] <DDAZZA> I don't know what ive done wrong
[15:24] <vuksamotnjak> Hrllo! I want to know why i cant load ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 & 1 from livee cd
[15:25] <oliolioli> What is the difference between installing from the final CD and installing from the beta CD then updating? Or is there no difference?
[15:26] <penguin42> oliolioli: There shouldn't be much of a difference, occasionally a few small bug fixes/installation tweaks won't quite get picked up if you update
[15:27] <oliolioli> Thanks, i'll probably just install the beta then
[15:27] <oliolioli> vuksamotnjak: can you load other live cds?
[15:28] <vuksamotnjak> yes. Mandriva and older version of ubuntu
[15:28] <vuksamotnjak> i curient use mandriva 2010
[15:28] <penguin42> vuksamotnjak: How does it fail and what hardware do you have?
[15:29] <vuksamotnjak> iI have a AMD sempron 3000, 512 mb ram, ATI 9550
[15:29] <vuksamotnjak> Just show me a terminal
[15:29] <penguin42> what does it say on the terminal?
[15:29] <vuksamotnjak> then i set comand sudo service gdm start
[15:29] <vuksamotnjak> and show me a blank screen
[15:31] <penguin42> vuksamotnjak: Can you switch back using ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[15:32] <vuksamotnjak> i dont try that
[15:32] <vuksamotnjak> why?
[15:32] <penguin42> vuksamotnjak: OK, try that and if you can see what /var/log/Xorg.0.log says, also try booting adding the command radeon.modeset=0 to the boot line
[15:33]  * penguin42 notes the 9550 is not listed in the list of chipsets supported by the radeon driver he is running even though it lists the 9500 and 9600
[15:34] <kklimonda> 9550 has the same chipsed as 9500 and 9600
[15:34] <kklimonda> chipset even
[15:35] <penguin42> ah yes, it's a 9600 with a lower clock according to wikipedia
[15:35] <vuksamotnjak> ok i go naow to try
[15:35] <vuksamotnjak> thnx
[15:43] <Guest49181> can anyone help me install freewrl deps in 10.4? http://pastebin.com/qNfR5CX8 is the error i get
[15:44] <penguin42> LucidLynx: Can you translate that into english?
[15:44] <DDAZZA> The check disk at startup always get stuck at 88% Any ideas how I can fix this?
[15:44] <JoshuaL> penguin42, it says that some packages cant be installed
[15:45] <LucidLynx> penguin42: yes it can not install the deps because im in the unstable distro :)
[15:45] <penguin42> DDAZZA: fsck from an installc d by hand, it's a known bug
[15:45] <JoshuaL> LucidLynx, do you have installed all the latest updates with sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:45] <JoshuaL> so first: sudo aptitude update
[15:46] <penguin42> DDAZZA: https://launchpad.net/bugs/554079
[15:46] <JoshuaL> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and then sudo aptitude install freewr1
[15:46] <LucidLynx> JoshuaL: penguin42: upgrading now
[15:46] <venice> Hi I've updated from 9.10 to 10.04 and now i'm stuck with this http://pastebin.com/dCF2d1fc
[15:48] <venice> It seems like the fglrx stuff has only been installed partly :/
[15:48] <penguin42> yeh that's a mess
[15:48] <venice> i agree :)
[15:49] <venice> any ideas how to fix it?
[15:50] <penguin42> venice: How did you do the upgrade?
[15:50] <SuperMiguel> ay of u guys having issues with firefox? opening sites slowly?
[15:50] <penguin42> SuperMiguel: No but I've seen other people ask the same question
[15:51] <venice> update-manager -d
[15:51] <venice> and then via the manager
[15:51] <penguin42> venice: I think I might try removing fglrx and all the other related bits, getting the update to finish and then reinstalling it
[15:52] <SuperMiguel> penguin42, ummm
[15:52] <venice> :/
[15:53] <venice> cant remove it via apt it doesnt work :/
[15:56] <venice> :)
[15:56] <venice> got it :)
[15:58] <lucidlynx> penguin42: no rebooted and still same error cannot install deps cus im in unstable
[15:59] <penguin42>  'cus im in unstable' ?
[16:00] <lucidlynx> penguin42: it says im using the unstable distro and some nessesary packages are in the incoming?
[16:00] <kklimonda> is python-configobj installed by default by any ubuntu metapackage (i.e. -mininal, -standard or -desktop) ?
[16:00] <kklimonda> or how can I check it?
[16:01] <lucidlynx> penguin42: then it tries to install libmozjsld but cannot do so.. then reccomends ttf-bitstream-vera but cannot then recommends convert but cannot..
[16:01] <penguin42> lucidlynx: That sounds very messed up
[16:02] <lucidlynx> penguin42: is it because im trying to install a non 10.4 freewrl?
[16:02] <penguin42> kklimonda: The beta2 I installed in a kvm last night doesn't have that; it has python-configglue as the nearest
[16:03] <penguin42> lucidlynx: Don't know - start by installing a basic 10.4 and get htat OK and then try anything non-standard
[16:03] <penguin42> is anyone else finding kvm/qemu/libvirt mouse has got very jumpy in the last few days?
[16:03] <lucidlynx> htat
[16:03] <lucidlynx> ?
[16:04] <kklimonda> penguin42: ok, thanks
[16:05] <mrp> bah my sound is broke
[16:05] <switchgirl> empathy issue this time irc related
[16:06] <switchgirl> when i have an irc channel it has a different window - so one wondow are all my irc chatts and the other is my msn yahoo and other ersonal im's i want them put together in one window - like it does in pidgin
[16:07] <switchgirl> and yet chanserv and nickserv  are in the im windows
[16:08] <switchgirl> the hard drive issue i had the other day 80 gb loggs was likley dnsmasq
[16:09] <switchgirl> its sorted now - i'm on 9-10 gb system
[16:17] <penguin42> hehe 80gb logs are always fun
[16:21] <eldon> any word on empath supporting OTR, or is it going to have to be OTR writing another plugin for empathy?
[16:23] <cronos> Hey there folks, just installed lucid beta 2 and now my grub isn't working.  I de-selected grub during the installation as I already ahve multiple OSes on there and have grub already setup.  But now nothing is working HELP!
[16:27] <bjsnider> !find gnome-vfs-2.0.pc
[16:30] <cronos> by the look of it there are many others who are suffering the same trouble with grub on lucid... yet no support here?!
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> what OS is in charge of grub?
[16:31] <cronos> karmic
[16:31] <cronos> it _was_
[16:31] <coc0nut> What do you mean in charge? =/
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> You need to pick one OS to handle the bootloader..
[16:32] <cronos> I have OSX, Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid installed and Karmic is the OS that installed grub
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> in theory you can boot a live cd, chroot into the karmic install and rerun update-grub and it should see the other os's
[16:32] <coc0nut> oh right nevermind ^^
[16:32] <eldon> i
[16:32] <cronos> I'm livecd'ing now to chroot in and fix
[16:32] <coc0nut> I thought you meant in charge of development
[16:32] <cronos> coc0nut: lol
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> I dont see the point in having 3 ubuntus's :) but i guess if ya got the hd space.
[16:32] <coz_> :)
[16:32] <cronos> Dr_Willis: Jaunty is my main workspace
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> If i have some usb hd's plugged in. ive seen update-grub see those and add boot entries for them
[16:33] <eldon> i've used 9.04/9.10 to reinstall grub several times, it is interesting that 10.04 beta 2 did not update grub to 2, i'm still on 1.5 from an update to my 9.04 instalation
[16:33] <cronos> Karmic is for playing with as is lucid
[16:33] <cronos> I'm also installing debian and arch
[16:33] <cronos> 8-0
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. for grub1 - you may need to add the entries by hand..
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is much better at finding other os's
[16:34] <eldon> on that topic i'd reccommend using a 9.10 disk to install grub 2
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> Or let Lucid handle the bootloader
[16:36] <BadHorsie> I wonder why my video red color turns to green, using nvidia propietary drivers
[16:37] <yofel> BadHorsie: can you check if your HUE setting is  correct? I'm not sure where that's set though
[16:39] <SuperMiguel> 9.10 doesnt have /boot/grub/menu.lst ??
[16:39] <SuperMiguel> i mean
[16:39] <SuperMiguel> 10.04
[16:40] <yofel> no
[16:40] <yofel> !grub2 | SuperMiguel
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> grub 2 dosent use menu.lst
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> grub1 does
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> time to learn some grub-fu-kung-fu
[16:42] <BadHorsie> yofel: If I move the Hue on the nvidia x server settings to 1 and take it back to 0 it works, sometimes by just invoking the display settings manager it resets it, sometimes it doesn't.
[16:43] <yofel> BadHorsie: search LP for a bug report, I know there is one, but this bug appears so random that noone seems to have found the cause yet
[16:43] <BadHorsie> Also, I sort of forgot if "insmod vbe" in /etc/grub/10linux was needed, after so much messing around the other day
[16:43] <bjsnider> yofel, the blob sometimes likes to reverse blue and red on video playback. it's probably the same story here
[16:44] <BadHorsie> I've seen reports from 2007
[16:44] <yofel> bjsnider: I had issues with the blob setting HUE wrong all the time, but it seems to be fine now...
[16:44] <BadHorsie> Some recommending removing the codecs and all
[16:45] <yofel> BadHorsie: do 'grep "vbe" /boot/grub/grub.cfg' to see if it's used, I think setting GRUB_GFXMODE should add insmod vbe
[16:46] <Raydiation> are there currently problems with network printers?
[16:46] <Raydiation> mine stopped working
[16:46] <holstein> Raydiation: what is it?
[16:46] <holstein> i got an older brother
[16:47] <holstein> and its good to go
[16:47] <BadHorsie> Aight thanks.
[16:47] <Raydiation> got an hp officejet 6200
[16:47] <Raydiation> did fine until cups update
[16:47] <holstein> other machines print to it?
[16:47] <Raydiation> yes
[16:47] <holstein> doah
[16:48] <yofel> BadHorsie: more like... if you don't set GRUB_GFXMODE it sets it to 640x480 and then adds '  insmod ${GRUB_VIDEO_BACKEND}' which equals 'insmod vbe' here always
[16:48] <holstein> Raydiation: and you've looked on launchpad?
[16:48] <Raydiation> holstein: not yet, ive just dropped by in here
[16:48] <holstein> and tried reinstalling the driver?
[16:48] <holstein> OR removing and re-adding the printer
[16:50] <Raydiation> ah ok, huge amount of updates just coming in
[16:58] <_stryk3r> If I have done all my updates its the same as using beta2 right?
[16:59] <hanshenrik> ah
[16:59] <hanshenrik> i just tried using beta 1 and "update installation" button (connected), it fucked up grub..
[17:00] <hanshenrik> it went to some error: file not found  and a console named "grub recovery:>"      .. but using beta 1, not update install, and apt-get update;apt-get upgrade;  worked  :p
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> lets try fglrx again :)
[17:03] <maj> The pictures in Firefox seem pixelated. Is there a fix for that?
[17:03] <hanshenrik> system->admin->hardware drivers->    maybe a solution?
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> hmm, I've just had apport warning me my system had a serious kernel problem
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> but I don't notice anything
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> what should I do?
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> It asks me questions I cannot answer when I try to report it
[17:07] <hanshenrik> just curious, like what? :p
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> What does this issue relate to: Audio, video, network..
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> is this a regression
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> can you recreate
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> those kind of questions
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> I just cancelled...
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> lets try fglrx, bbl :)
[17:09] <pingu> Will Lucid have GMA 500 support?
[17:10] <yofel_> pingu: as far as I know: no
[17:10] <hanshenrik> btw funny thing, copying from ext4 to NTFS ->~30 MB/s , copying the same files back from NTFS to ext4->~4 MB/s    (same harddrive, same files), strange
[17:10] <devilsadvocate_> read and write have different costs
[17:10] <Ian_Corne> no direct rending so far
[17:11] <hanshenrik> devilsadvocate_: was same read/write operation, just ext4->ntfs is much faster than ntfs->ext4
[17:12] <devilsadvocate_> hanshenrik, no, ntfs read~!= ntfs-write and ext4-read != ext4write and ntfs-write!=ext4-write and ntfs4-read!=ext4-read
[17:13] <devilsadvocate_> one of ext4write and ntfsread is ugly, possibly even both
[17:14] <hanshenrik> good point
[17:15] <penguin42> hanshenrik: Same drive but different partitions?
[17:16] <hanshenrik> yes
[17:16] <penguin42> hanshenrik: There's a factor of 2 in bandwidth between the two ends of a drive
[17:18] <grobda24> What is the messaging application (popup notifications) called in Lucid ?
[17:21] <penguin42> notify-osd
[17:21] <grobda24> penguin42, ah, cheers :)
[17:21] <hanshenrik> im having same problems as described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8187se/+bug/416488 , and there has been posted things that others have said to work, for jaunty..   think http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/rtl8187se-source/download is safe to install in lucid? ideas to something else i can try?
[17:21] <grobda24> does that log the popup messages somewhere ?
[17:22] <hanshenrik> (i basically have to sit under the router to get a connection >.<)
[17:23] <penguin42> grobda24: Not that I know
[17:23] <grobda24> oh, gah
[17:23] <grobda24> I just a security breach probably through Nicotine+ where someone just connected to my desktop using Vinagre
[17:24] <grobda24> I should have recorded the IP but I was too busy switching off routers.
[17:25] <grobda24> I wonder if I might have discovered a security problem in Lucid ?
[17:25] <hanshenrik> grobda24: your referring to that Nicotine p2p program?
[17:25] <grobda24> yeah
[17:26] <hanshenrik> well shouldn't be able to do more than you can do without root (@damage) at least
[17:26] <penguin42> hanshenrik: Not strictly true, various things are enabled by policykit etc
[17:27] <penguin42> grobda24: Run it with an apparmor profile to restrict what files it can access and network calls it can make
[17:27] <penguin42> grobda24: But if someone has done something like that they can already have installed loads of crap on your machine
[17:28] <grobda24> penguin42, oh, thanks, I'll look into it. How do I check for that ? I can't see anything in my logs.
[17:29] <penguin42> grobda24: Checking if someone has done something nasty is very difficult - running debcheck from a live cd is one way to help, then check that none of your . files have been tampered with - non-trivial
[17:30] <grobda24> k
[17:31] <harry-houdini1> hello on a non raid drive on boot I get a message saying device or resource busy unable to mount and it ubuntu+1 hangs on boot fsck of the drive shows its clean its mounted to an internal sata controller card
[17:31] <harry-houdini1> I have to boot to an old kernel to get around it
[17:32] <harry-houdini1> oh and this is after an upgrade from karmic 9.10
[17:33] <penguin42> harry-houdini1: There's a bug going on at the moment where some fsck's get stuck
[17:33] <grobda24> Ah, it does log ... /home/user/.cache/notify-osd.log
[17:34] <penguin42> grobda24: Oh useful to know
[17:35] <MikeChelen> firefox window "bindwood: migrating older bookmarks" is staying open forever adding more ...
[17:36] <mjmason> Hi, has anyone else experienced a lack of video when trying to load the beta? My laptop shows the initial logo with the purple background but the screen then goes black and after 10 minutes I had to give up and reboot. Have tried a few times, and it does display on a second monitor if I plug one in. Not much use if it doesn't run on the main screen though...  I have an Acer 5739g with nvidia GT 130M if that helps, though gi
[17:38] <penguin42> sounds like a bug
[17:39] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/560802
[17:39] <Damascene> does any one have this bug?
[17:39] <mjmason> oh and occasionally it will show a mangled and repeated version of the windows 7 boot screen, but no more video after that...
[17:40] <penguin42> Damascene: Youch - nasty
[17:40] <penguin42> does anyone else have any errors in /home/user/.cache/indicator-applet-session.log ?
[17:41] <harry-houdini1> penguin42 as a temporary work around should i set the check frequency to 0 for that hard drive?
[17:42] <penguin42> harry-houdini1: If it is just the fsck not finishing then just fscking from a live cd should get it going, or as you say setting the freqency/time to 0 should do it - but if you are using a raid be careful there was a bug about degraded raids not behaving correctly in the release notes
[17:42] <astronouth7303> I filed a bug last night (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/560506); is there anything I should do to get it tagged?
[17:43] <harry-houdini1> penguin42, nah this one isnt raided but actually should be considering whats on it...
[17:49] <LADmaticCA> any more fixes for slow dns lookups?
[17:50] <astronouth7303> So I got rid of the bottom panel when I got gnome-do. but until I get opengl back, gnome-do is out of commission. How do I get my bottom panel back?
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> right click on the panel, add new panel, add what applets you want
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanels
[17:52] <astronouth7303> when I try to add a panel, windows get out of the way but no panel appears
[17:53] <astronouth7303> oh, there we go
[17:53] <astronouth7303> it just needed to cycle around to the top
[17:58] <edgy> Hi, I am getting this error in kubuntu when I try to enable desktop effects: "Compositing is not supported on your system." which package do I need to install? I have an ati 5730 card with fglrx installed
[17:59] <astronouth7303> edgy: ATI and effects don't mix. Go and blame AMD.
[18:00] <edgy> astronouth7303: strange!! but I remember I used to have an ATI card and have the effects enabled!
[18:00] <edgy> astronouth7303: in my previous laptop
[18:00] <LinuxRevolution> guys! did anyone solve keyboard layout problem?
[18:01] <Freanki> Hi, since the update from 9.10 to 10.4 my system will stop after loading the kernel. No daemons start... But the kernel still works (CTRL+ALT+DEL still works). Does someone know how to get my system fixed?
[18:02] <astronouth7303> Freanki: so upstart (init) fails?
[18:03] <Freanki> astronouth: all the devices will be found. (Keyboard, all usb, even hardrives)
[18:03] <Freanki> but then it stops
[18:03] <Freanki> btw. without an error
[18:04] <astronouth7303> Freanki: boot without the quiet flag?
[18:04] <Freanki> sure
[18:04] <Freanki> I already did a chroot with the 9.10 disc to get the latest updates... So the system is up to date
[18:05] <astronouth7303> wait... what?
[18:05] <Freanki> and no logfiles since no syslog or anything else has been loaded
[18:05] <Freanki> what what?
[18:05] <astronouth7303> you chrooted to update what?
[18:05] <Freanki> oh, I just used the 9.10 disc to boot since the 10.4 has still problems with the nvidia driver
[18:06] <Freanki> But it's a different issue... I updated lucid
[18:06] <Freanki> over the net
[18:06] <astronouth7303> and if you're messing with chroots, shouldn't you be able to come up with more information than "no daemons start"?
[18:07] <Freanki> If I could, I might already fixed it... I tried Grub2, different kernels etc. but nothing works
[18:08] <astronouth7303> by the sound of it, the userspace is failing to start
[18:08] <Freanki> how does it get started?
[18:08] <astronouth7303> which would point at init, but i figured that the kernel would at least protest if init ever failed
[18:09] <Freanki> a problem with the initrd?
[18:09] <methril> is something similar with my case astronouth7303
[18:10] <methril> mine bootups (all daemons boot) but after a while it switch down
[18:10] <Freanki> nearly at the end it says: Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom
[18:10] <methril> i'm not able to login
[18:10] <astronouth7303> methril: vt?
[18:10] <methril> then mine goes further
[18:11] <Freanki> Then it mounts swap and /home and thats all
[18:11] <Freanki> I already read about this switch down in a forum =) But no solution so far...
[18:11] <methril> i'm trying to understand it..
[18:11] <astronouth7303> Freanki: i'd suggest digging around in your initrd and seeing what scripts there is
[18:12] <methril> Freanki: where did you read something about it?
[18:12] <astronouth7303> (I'm just another poor user; i'm speculating)
[18:12] <Freanki> german ubuntuusers.de
[18:12] <methril> uf!! i don't speak german
[18:12] <Freanki> you asked where I read it :D
[18:13] <methril> if you give me a link, maybe google translator could help ;)
[18:13] <Freanki> I wouldn't try it ;)
[18:13] <Freanki> astronouth7303: thx, I'll try to check this
[18:14] <Erv> Hi I have encountered an issue while trying to activate nvidia restriced drivers
[18:15] <Erv> anyone have a second to help me out?
[18:16] <ZykoticK9> Erv, does jockey (aka Hardware Drivers) say "A different version of this driver is in use"?
[18:16] <Erv> yes
[18:16] <Erv> is this a common issue?
[18:16] <ZykoticK9> Erv, i think everyone with nvidia is currently getting that.  Are your graphics working properly?
[18:17] <Erv> well my computer is running fine, but i really feel like my graphics card isnt getting used at all
[18:17] <ZykoticK9> Erv, if you rung "lspci -vnvn" and fine the VGA section, you can see what Kernel driver is in use
[18:17] <Erv> compiz seems a little choppy
[18:17] <ZykoticK9> s/rung/run
[18:18] <ZykoticK9> s/fine/find
[18:18] <astronouth7303> if compiz is running, it's using the video card; compiz won't run on software render
[18:18] <ZykoticK9> astronouth7303, actually i think compiz will run with noveau
[18:18] <Erv> intresting..;
[18:18] <astronouth7303> that's a hardware driver
[18:19] <Erv> this is my new laptop
[18:19] <astronouth7303> the software render is mesa
[18:19] <ZykoticK9> astronouth7303, true - i gotcha
[18:19] <Erv> on my old one with half the specs of this one, compiz seems to run way smoother
[18:19] <Erv> so i just kinda feels like my video card or something isnt getting used
[18:19] <Erv> if that makes sense
[18:19] <Micc> I think the wubi grub was the problem with my upgrade.
[18:20] <Erv> under my nvidia x server settings it even says it is running nvidia driver : 195.36.15
[18:20] <Erv> but i cant activate anything in the restricted driver window
[18:21] <Erv> Zykotic : do u want to knwo what my kernel driver is?
[18:21] <Micc> My laptop always fails to activate the restricted hardware drivers too.
[18:21] <ZykoticK9> Erv, i don't no - You can check with the "lspci -vnvn" command from a terminal
[18:21] <ZykoticK9> !tab > Erv
[18:22] <ZykoticK9> Erv, sorry misread you -- though you ask IF i knew what your kernel driver was sorry - does it say nvidia?
[18:23] <Erv> pretty big output.. gimme a sec to find it, any guidance on that infos location would be appreciated :)
[18:23] <ZykoticK9> Erv, look for VGA section
[18:24] <Erv> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] [10de:0618] (rev a2)
[18:24] <Erv> 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:02a2]
[18:24] <Erv> 	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
[18:24] <Erv> 	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
[18:24] <Erv> 	Latency: 0
[18:24] <Erv> 	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
[18:24] <Erv> 	Region 0: Memory at ce000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[18:24] <Erv> 	Region 1: Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[18:24] <Erv> 	Region 3: Memory at cc000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M]
[18:24] <Erv> 	Region 5: I/O ports at 2000 [size=128]
[18:24] <Erv> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[18:24] <Erv> 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[18:24] <Erv> 	Kernel modules: nvidia-173, nvidia-current, nvidiafb, nouveau
[18:24] <ZykoticK9> Erv, USE PASTEBIN!
[18:24] <Erv> I hope that copy and paste is ok in the forum
[18:24] <ZykoticK9> !paste | Erv
[18:25] <Erv> IRC newbie here
[18:25] <ZykoticK9> Erv, but we do see "Kernel driver in use: nvidia" so it is using the Nvidia driver
[18:25] <Erv> so it looks like its working fine then, huh
[18:26] <ZykoticK9> Erv, i guess so - but your experience would suggest otherwise
[18:27] <Erv> my only problem was, that I can't go into the Restricted Drivers
[18:27] <MikeChelen> anyone know why the firefox window "bindwood: migrating older bookmarks" never finishes?
[18:27] <ZykoticK9> Erv, in nvidia-settings it is showing 195.36.15 as the Driver version correct?
[18:28] <Erv> and activate, say 173 driver, because it always comes back and says it failed to initiate
[18:28] <Erv> yes it is
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> Erv, i'm not sure (due to Jockey activation issue) how to try the 173 driver... sorry.
[18:28] <DanaG> hmm, is xorg in ubuntu 10.04 supposed to automatically use nouveau?
[18:28] <W3ird_N3rd> if I install beta2 and keep apt updating it, will it automagically become 10.04 stable by april 29th?
[18:29] <DanaG> For me, it doesn't use it without an xorg.conf.
[18:29] <LADmaticCA> any more fixes for slow dns lookups?
[18:29] <DanaG> [    0.114613] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)        [    0.116093] (EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist, 0)        [    0.117025] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)        [    0.117074] (EE) No drivers available.
[18:30] <Erv> Well thanks for the help
[18:30] <W3ird_N3rd> DanaG, it might be useful to know exactly which videocard (chip) you've got
[18:30] <DanaG> NV17, mobile.
[18:30] <Erv> ZykoticK9: I appreciate it, everything points to it working, just doesnt feel like it is. Maybe its something a random update will fix later
[18:31] <DanaG> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go] [10de:0175] (rev a3)
[18:31] <kklimonda> DanaG: NV17? maybe it's not supported?
[18:31] <kklimonda> it should be though
[18:31] <DanaG> No, it works fine if I have xorg.conf.
[18:31] <W3ird_N3rd> meaning it's not detected correctly
[18:31] <kklimonda> DanaG: is kms loaded?
[18:31] <timboy_> ubuntu doesn't want to allow me to use 3 monitors with my ati 58xx card. is there a reason for this?
[18:31] <DanaG> oh yeah, I also have lbm-nouveau installed.... should I switch to regular nouveau?
[18:31] <W3ird_N3rd> or well, it is detected but the wrong driver is loaded (the non-existent nv driver)
[18:32] <DanaG> Yes, KMS does work.
[18:32] <kklimonda> DanaG: ugh, lbm-nouveau is ancient
[18:32] <kklimonda> DanaG: where do you have it from?
[18:32] <DanaG> Might be good to update the package to do nothing instead of giving old stuff.
[18:32] <DanaG> =þ
[18:32] <penguin42> timboy_: You got frglx going?
[18:32] <DanaG> xorg-edgers.
[18:33] <kklimonda> DanaG: well, xorg-edgers is a synonym of "I live on IRC and track development all the time"
[18:33] <timboy_> penguin42, yes and amdcccle won't configure anything so i've been trying with the resolution utility
[18:33] <Erv> ZykoticK9: i guess one last question. Is there any way to see what the graphics card is doing? Kind of like being able to view the CPU activities
[18:33] <BUGabundo> damn it
[18:33] <BUGabundo> pidgin is crashing like hell
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I blame twitter fail whale
[18:33] <DanaG> [lbm-drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.16 20090420 for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0
[18:33] <penguin42> timboy_: I've not configured frglx for ages, but I'm betting it's the config utilities for that which you'll have to persuade - the ati drivers like to do all that stuff themselves
[18:34] <kklimonda> DanaG: well, it's nothing short of a miracle that you can boot it with lbm- modules at all :)
[18:34] <kklimonda> DanaG: in xorg-edgers there is a nice package called ppa-purge, use it
[18:35] <timboy_> penguin42, so what do you suggest I try next? amdcccle might work for all I know but settings don't persist after reboot and it won't apply anything without telling me to restart...
[18:35] <DanaG> ah, but I was wanting the 3D support... what little there is.
[18:35] <kklimonda> DanaG: hmm.. then leave xorg.conf
[18:35] <DanaG> Anyway, does it still lack non-power-of-two support?
[18:36] <DanaG> On nv17, that is.
[18:36] <kklimonda> maybe
[18:37] <penguin42> timboy_: I thought there was a gui tool for it (at least there is in the RPM version of the ati tools I've used on RHEL)
[18:37] <DanaG> okay, purging edgers now.
[18:37] <penguin42>  <flush>
[18:37] <DanaG> Also weird on that system: it still has the Karmic orange wallpaper at gdm.
[18:37] <timboy_> penguin42, i'm talking about the amdcccle gui tool
[18:37] <DanaG> hmm, does nouveau default to fpdither true?
[18:37] <DDAZZA> So how do I install/write  ubuntu 9.10 over ubuntu 10.4.?
[18:37] <penguin42> timboy_: Not sure what to suggest them; there's an aticonfig or something isn't there?
[18:38] <DanaG> hmm, if amdcccle is not working, are you sure xorg is actually using fglrx?
[18:38] <timboy_> penguin42, yeah haven't tried that seems pretty complicated
[18:38] <DanaG> /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/amdcccle
[18:38] <penguin42> timboy_: Only thing I can suggest
[18:39] <timboy_> DanaG, yes and amdcccle will "appear" to function and make resolution changes etc but any major changes it says to restart and changes don't persist after restart
[18:39] <DanaG> Weird.
[18:39] <DanaG> hmm, try it as root (gksu amdcccle)?
[18:42] <timboy_> DanaG, tried...
[18:42] <timboy_> I posted a bug but it's being ignored... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/551475?comments=all
[18:42] <BUGabundo> nice bug :\
[18:43] <BUGabundo> if I connect an e-sata disk, and then mount it , it just works
[18:43] <BUGabundo> if I plug it, and wait a few minutes, and then mount it, it asks for my password
[18:43] <BUGabundo> can anyone confirm this ?
[18:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: There's something very odd about the perms for mounting disks
[18:44] <BUGabundo> but its not the perm
[18:44] <BUGabundo> its priveleges
[18:44] <penguin42> yeh
[18:44] <penguin42> something very odd with them
[18:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't seem to need to enter a password to unlock my encrypted drive and I don't understand why
[18:45] <BUGabundo> penguin42: can you reproduce?
[18:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't have an esata drive
[18:45] <BUGabundo> any usb disk should be the same
[18:45] <BUGabundo> althouh I haven't tried it
[18:45] <BUGabundo> let me test a dongle
[18:45]  * penguin42 grabs any usb dosl
[18:45] <penguin42> disk
[18:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It's automounting the usb disk for me
[18:46] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[18:46] <BUGabundo> the usb pendrive is automounted
[18:46] <BUGabundo> :\
[18:46] <BUGabundo> so, either specific to that disk or to e-sata
[18:46] <penguin42> anyway, time for foooood
[18:46] <BUGabundo> /dev/sdb1 on /media/wdtvdisk type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[18:46] <BUGabundo> ext2
[18:46] <BUGabundo> shouldn't be causing any probs
[18:51] <eldon1> i can't adjust the balance (left and right) when you adjust the slider to either side, the main volume goes down and the balance returns to center
[18:53] <ZykoticK9> eldon1, i'm experiencing the same thing here, when i touch the Balance volume drops to 0
[18:54] <ZykoticK9> eldon1, see bug #532095
[18:57] <hackeron> hey, any ideas about this? < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/557566
[18:59] <SuperMiguel> is it better for me to do a clean install or an upgrade if um running 9.10 and want to install 10.04
[19:00] <astronouth7303> SuperMiguel: it'll probably be easier to do an upgrade
[19:00] <coc0nut> Clean install is always less likely to go horribly wrong.
[19:00] <astronouth7303> at least in the short term
[19:00] <coc0nut> But if you have lots to back up, an upgrade would be quicker.
[19:00] <SuperMiguel> and do it now or wait until final realease?
[19:00] <DanaG> stupid ubuntuone... can't handle large numbers of files without eating 100% CPU every time I log in.
[19:01] <astronouth7303> SuperMiguel: if you're not ready to deal with beta, try waiting 10 days for the release canidate
[19:01] <nickevasion> a
[19:02] <nickevasion> Ooops, excuse the above a, didn't mean to type that.
[19:08] <JimD--> last fall, none of the Karmic betas would boot on my HP mini netbook, but the release version booted fine..  now I seem to be seeing the same thing with the Lucid beta2
[19:15] <JimD--> gosh, thanks :p
[19:18] <tritium> Hmm, I wanted to install beta 2 with RAID 1 today, but bug 557429 has persuaded me otherwise.
[19:21] <Guest001> Hi Guys I need ur advise which ubuntu  will be better for installing on my DELL Vostro Laptop 2510
[19:22] <coc0nut> Guest001: It's entirely up to you.
[19:22] <areichman> Guest001: are you asking whether 9.10 or 10..04 would be better? Or for advice on Ubuntu vs. Kubuntu vs. Xubuntu?
[19:22] <Guest001> yes ur correct
[19:23] <areichman> who's correct about what?
[19:24] <kassah> is there any way to look at what packages were installed on the last apt-get upgrade?
[19:25] <Guest001> areichman: could you please specify or advise which version will be suitable for DELL Vostro 2510 laptop
[19:25] <hf4> how do I install kernel from livecd fast and easy ?
[19:26] <hanshenrik> try the "install ubuntu" button on the desktop? :p
[19:26] <hf4> hanshenrik: yeap but that will install the whole think
[19:26] <hanshenrik> ah.. if its the desktop-version, that is
[19:26] <coc0nut> Guest001: Probably all of them.
[19:26] <kassah> hf4, why are you installing the kernel from the livecd?
[19:26] <coc0nut> Guest001: Lucid has serious bugs for a lot of people but I haven't had many problems with it.
[19:26] <hf4> kassah: because I accidentaly removed my :'(
[19:26] <kassah> hf4, you might just want to chroot into your existing install and use apt-get to install a new kernel
[19:27] <coc0nut> Guest001: Something which works on everyone else's computer might not work on yours and vice-versa
[19:27] <kassah> hf4, yeah... you want to chroot instead... much easier
[19:27] <hf4> kassah: you're 100% right . how do i do that
[19:27] <kassah> one sec... just did it about 5 minutes ago with grub =P
[19:27] <hanshenrik> ah question, if he runs a livecd, wont apt-get just install it to ram or something
[19:27] <hanshenrik> ?
[19:27] <Guest001> Coc0nut: So you mean to say Lucid is working for you better
[19:27] <om26er> hanshenrik, he will be doing chroot
[19:28] <coc0nut> Guest001: It works fine for me.
[19:28] <coc0nut> If you install something and it doesn't work or you don't like it, you can install something else
[19:28] <hackeron> hey, any ideas about this? < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/557566
[19:28] <kassah> hf2, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD under Method 3- Chroot
[19:28] <areichman> Guest001: if I were you I would stick with the stable, released version of ubuntu, 9.10 and probably with standard ubuntu
[19:28] <om26er> hackeron, did it work in Karmic?
[19:29] <Guest001> Coc0nut: is it a laptop or desktop installed
[19:29] <kassah> hf4, when you get to where it says update-grub... instead of doing that... use apt-get to install your kernel =)
[19:29] <coc0nut> Guest001: Laptop.
[19:29] <gbear14275> I'm having problems with my window manager
[19:29] <Guest001> areichmen:Thanks
[19:29] <hanshenrik> is there some console-command to turn off caps lock? :p
[19:29] <Guest001> Coc0nut; model??
[19:29] <coc0nut> Acer Aspire 5720
[19:29] <gbear14275> When I boot i get no window borders, window controls or anything... I can't really do anything until I type metacity --replace into a command prompt
[19:29] <hf4> kassah: thanks will try that
[19:29] <kassah> hf4, after you're done... exit out of the chroot (Ctrl-D) and follow the instructions for umounting all the stuff
[19:30] <coc0nut> It's not going to make much of a difference though. In all likelihood, it will work for you.
[19:30] <coc0nut> Ubuntu's compatible with most hardware. It's not like, say, FreeBSD or something.
[19:30] <kassah> hf4, unfortunately... gotta run... wife is waiting for lunch =) Good luck!
[19:30] <DanaG> weird... lucid livecd on the nv17 laptop is having xorg segfault!
is 9.10 supports skype, gtalk msn voice video call, multimedia
[19:31] <adalal> hey, how would you calibrate a touchscreen controlled by evdev?
[19:31] <gbear14275> anyone able to help me troubleshoot this and perhaps help me report it?
[19:31] <DanaG> !info tscal
[19:31] <DanaG> !info tscalib
[19:32] <DanaG> er, something like that.
Is ur sound recorder / internal microphone working. i saw lot of bugs reported on new lucid version
[19:32] <DanaG> great, livecd offers to install nvidia 96... and then gives 404 when I actually try!
[19:33] <hanshenrik> ah from update-manager?
[19:34] <areichman> Guest001: skype yes, gtalk yes, msn I don't know (I don't use it but probably not) and multimedia, depends on what you mean, probably yes
[19:34] <hanshenrik> i had a similar problem with update-manager, workaround: settings->Ubuntu Software->Download From: (put Main Server, default is a server near you)
 Are you pulseaoudio(localserver) or ALSA
[19:37] <areichman> Guest001: I'm not sure, whatever the default is seems to work fine. I don't think I use PulseAudio, though
[19:38] <DanaG> argh, and the stupid thing keeps BLINKING brighter!
[19:38] <gbear14275> looks like I'm not the only one...  http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9107885#post9107885
 So u completly remove pulseaudio
[19:40] <om26er> my hardrive becomes mad once in an hour causing slowing down my syste so I have to logout and login again any one seeing this type of problem?
[19:40] <ZykoticK9> gbear14275, i believe your compiz/metacity issue was caused by doing a Partial Upgrade the other day (in future, NEVER do these - use "sudo aptititude safe-upgrade" if you get a Partial Upgrade message from Update Manager).  Sorry I'm unaware of a fix (barring a time-machine)
[19:41] <om26er> processor and ram usage is fine during those moments
[19:41] <Freanki> Let's give it another try: Hi, since the update from 9.10 to 10.4 my system will stop after loading the kernel. No daemons start... But the kernel still works (CTRL+ALT+DEL still works). I already updateded my system in a chroot enviroment but it's still not working
[19:43] <Freanki> All connected devices are recognized...
[19:43] <gbear14275> ZykoticK9, wouldn't synaptic give me a partial upgrade warning message?
[19:43] <om26er> Freanki, try clean install, I guess
[19:43] <ZykoticK9> gbear14275, no idea actually.
[19:43] <hanshenrik> it should.
[19:43] <gbear14275> ZykoticK9, I don't use upgrade manager only synaptic, but I normally do daily updates
[19:44] <gbear14275> BTW... for anyone interested, changing your appearance visual effects settings from none to normal resolves the issue (I also think that uses compiz instead of metacity doesn't it?)
[19:45] <sburwood> I can't play around with the different releases before the release version on April 29th.  With the version I have (alpha 3, I think), there are no way to click on the show desktop button, nor to open 2 windows at the same time
[19:45] <sburwood> that will be fixed in the final version?
[19:45] <sburwood> or is it already fixed in the beta version?
[19:46] <mawst> uh...
[19:46] <mawst> sburwood: You should be able to right click your panel and add those things
[19:46] <mawst> That is if you're using gnome.
[19:47] <sburwood> I am using gnome
[19:47] <hanshenrik> actually i remember having problems adding buttons there on alpha.. dont remember if it was 1/2/3, but 1 of em :p buttons even went un-clickable and just vanished..
[19:50] <hf4> what is the latest lucid kernel ?
[19:51] <Guest001> 2.6.32-19-generic is the latest lucid kernel
[19:51] <hf4> Guest001: thanks
[19:52] <Some_Person> Can evolution be minimized to indicator applet?
[19:52] <Guest001> yes
[19:52] <Guest001> it works very well in lucid beta version
[19:53] <Some_Person> How do I do that?
[19:53] <Guest001> only problem in lucid 10.04 i m facing is Microphone / sound recording
[19:53] <coc0nut> Try increasing the microphone volume
[19:53] <coc0nut> make sure you have the right microphone selected
[19:53] <Guest001> microphone right selected
[19:54] <Guest001> which is capture in 10.04 as 100%
[19:54] <Guest001> Internal Audio Analog stereo
[19:56] <DanaG> ugh, I still hate the way the user-switch applet deletes the normal logout and shutdown items!
[19:56] <DanaG> oh, and stupid Toshiba... has proprietary hotkeys that don't send keyboard events.
[19:56] <Guest001> Some_Person: alltray
[19:56] <hackeron> hey, any ideas about this? < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/557566
[19:57] <Guest001> Some_person:most people ignore evolution.
[19:57] <Guest001> My workaround is to just leave it open in Desk 2, makes use of the second desktop for something purposeful.
[19:58] <Some_Person> Guest001: That's what I do too
[19:58] <Some_Person> Except I use Desk 3
[19:59] <Some_Person> I use Desk 2 when I want to show my dad something on my laptop without letting him see IRC open (he doesn't allow me in chatrooms)
[20:00] <Guest001> Some_Person: Also there is an developer developed one patch to do this stuff
[20:01] <Guest001> Some_Person:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1120782&page=2
[20:01] <Guest001> #16
[20:02] <Some_Person> Yes, I saw that. I don't want to do any source changing myself though
[20:09] <dax2112rush> My system (10.04 updated) partly freezes (ie graphics frozen + no mouse movement) but I can still connect and issue commands via ssh. How can I know what went wrong?
[20:10] <DanaG> weird... installer slideshwo.... icon that goes with "Firefox" caption is missing-icon icon.
[20:14] <W3ird_N3rd> if I install Ubuntu 10.04 server beta 2 and keep apt updating it, will it automagically become 10.04 stable by april 29th?
[20:15] <Guest001> yes
[20:15] <ZykoticK9> !beta
[20:16] <W3ird_N3rd> thx :)
[20:16] <ZykoticK9> Is there a webpage or method of searching the #ubuntu+1 factoids?
[20:16] <Guest001> keep up-to date  dist upgrade patches
[20:17] <ZykoticK9> nevermind above question http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi has the #ubuntu+1 stuff
[20:19] <Some_Person> What are the dropdown arrows in indicator applet's evolution/gwibber/empathy menu for?
[20:24] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, if you're talking about the "MeMenu" i don't see any drop down arrows on mine?
[20:25] <Some_Person> I'm talking about the menu with the envelope icon
[20:25] <DanaG> weird... when doing the language packs, the slideshow window twitched vertically (resized).
[20:26] <DanaG> argh, damn blinking.
[20:27] <DanaG> it's worse than the old nvidia random blink to black.... this is every 15 seconds, blinking to full brightness and then back to low.
[20:27] <DanaG> actually, assuming it's at medium, it does this:
[20:27] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, that's called indicator-messager or similar -- no idea what the arrows do, i have one beside Broadcast
[20:27] <DanaG> medium-*dim*-*bright*-medium
[20:28] <Some_Person> I have one beside Chat, Mail, and Broadcast
[20:28] <DanaG> hhmm, anyone try the recent nvidia 96?  does it still just segfault?
[20:29] <thebishop> hello helloo
[20:29] <thebishop> Lucid runs great on my laptop, but i'm only getting about half the battery life i should
[20:30] <W3ird_N3rd> what graphics chip do you have / is cool'n'quit or speedstep working?
[20:30] <thebishop> are any significant power-saving features coming in the release that aren't currently in the beta?
[20:30] <ZykoticK9> thebishop, if you are comparing to Windows, then the sad fact is Windows does better with batter life then linux
[20:30] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, it's an intel 4500MHD
[20:31] <W3ird_N3rd> and check your display brightness
[20:31] <W3ird_N3rd> and yes, what are you comparing to..
[20:31] <thebishop> ZykoticK9, i am comparing to windows, but i should be getting 8-10 hours on this laptop, and i'm getting around 3.  even in a windows/linux comparison that's a big drop
[20:31] <ZykoticK9> thebishop, as i said "sad fact"
[20:32] <thebishop> ZykoticK9, any features in a more recent kernel that could help me?
[20:32] <W3ird_N3rd> http://www.lesswatts.org/
[20:32] <ZykoticK9> thebishop, not that i'm aware of -- also saw a comparison of the different WM/DE on Lucid, and they all faired the same on Battery consumption
[20:33] <W3ird_N3rd> http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/ especially
[20:33] <ZykoticK9> thebishop, if you're interested in that comparison see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
[20:33] <W3ird_N3rd> power aware SMP scheduler is quite worth it if you have multicore
[20:34] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, not enabled by default?  I have "CULV" laptop with 1.3ghz core2duo
[20:34] <h4f>  I am trying to chroot to my installed system
[20:34] <h4f>  sudo chroot /mnt/root/ /bin/bash
[20:34] <h4f>  chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[20:34] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, asus ul30a-x5
[20:34] <h4f> nor chroot /mnt /bin/bash works
[20:34] <W3ird_N3rd> thebishop, no, not enabled by default. Well at least not in 9.10, I'm guessing still not in 10.04, just check it.
[20:34] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, advertised as "12 hour battery", but if i was getting 8 i'd consider that outstanding
[20:36] <W3ird_N3rd> just check all the tips on lesswatts and you should be able to get some extra battery life out of it.
[20:36] <W3ird_N3rd> and disable 3D effects if they are still enabled
[20:38] <thebishop> seems like the ubuntu kernel is missing some significant power saving features
[20:39] <W3ird_N3rd> thebishop, missing? which ones?
[20:39] <W3ird_N3rd> I know not everything is enabled by default, but missing..
[20:39] <W3ird_N3rd> would like to know what
[20:40] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, sched_mc_power_savings is not listed for my cpu
[20:41] <W3ird_N3rd> you sure?
[20:41] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, yep
[20:41] <thebishop> W3ird_N3rd, and my cpu freq is 1.3ghz even though i'm on battery and not at high load
[20:41] <W3ird_N3rd> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/sched_mc_power_savings
[20:41] <W3ird_N3rd> ?
[20:42] <thebishop> for both cores
[20:42] <W3ird_N3rd> doesn't exist?
[20:42] <W3ird_N3rd> speedstep disabled
[20:42] <thebishop> no such file or directory
[20:42] <W3ird_N3rd> ..okay that's strange
[20:42] <thebishop> i'll have to check the bios, but wouldn't that be enabled by the factory?
[20:42] <thebishop> most likely, i mean
[20:44] <DanaG> What laptop?
[20:44] <thebishop> DanaG, Asus UL30A-X5
[20:44] <DanaG> hmm, I don't know much about Asus stuff.
[20:44] <DanaG> handy tool: powertop
[20:45] <thebishop> DanaG, it's a CULV form-factor: core2duo 1.3ghz, 4500MHD, 4gb, 13" led backlit
[20:46] <thebishop> seems like it's keeping both cores running full blast even on battery
[20:47] <thebishop> brb, i'm gonna check my bios
[20:48] <DanaG> hmm, anyone try the newest nvidia-96 on an nv17?
[20:49] <bjsnider> nvidia-96 hasn't worked since the nixon years
[20:49] <DanaG> So it's still just as segfaulty?
[20:49] <DanaG> =þ
[20:50] <DanaG> It wouldn't surprise me if they had removed all code and replaced it with a ((void*)NULL);
[20:50] <DanaG> =þ
[20:51] <bjsnider> that would be cool
[20:51] <DanaG> ... and just as useful.
[20:59] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, do you happen to know the story behind Jockey showing "A different version of this driver is in use" - it's not an issue for me, but seems to be causing several support questions.
[21:00] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, no. Alberto is never around on weekends but i'm sure he'll look at it this week.
[21:02] <DexterF> hi
[21:02] <DexterF> will 10.04 have grub1, too?
[21:02] <ZykoticK9> DexterF, Lucid uses Grub2 just like Karmic
[21:03] <DexterF> i heard ya the first time. I don't wanna know what it uses, I want to know if there will be a grub1 package for people like me who think the way ubuntu implements grub2 is a bad joke
[21:03] <guntbert> DexterF: except if you updated from jaunty->karmic->lucid
[21:03] <owen1> i noticed that there is a specific scenario where firefox is slow to open a page.
[21:04] <ZykoticK9> DexterF, i see a grub-legacy-doc package, but not just a grub-legacy (grub1)
[21:04] <DexterF> hmm
[21:04] <DexterF> not good
[21:04] <owen1> when i click on a link that open a small window, seperate from the main firefox. it can take 5 seconds sometimes. any ideas?
[21:16] <ZykoticK9> owen1, unfortunately the linux version of Firefox is notoriously slow (using the MS version of Firefox with wine is even faster, believe it or not), but there are alternative browsers to firefox - you might want to check out SwiftFox which is supposedly a faster linux native Firefox (don't use it myself so can't really report)
[21:17] <Sabre_Edge> Even google chrome is quite fast
[21:17] <adalal> but buggy
[21:17] <adalal> sometimes
[21:17] <adalal> and not all websites like chrome
[21:17] <Sabre_Edge> yeah but i prefer it over firefox
[21:17] <Sabre_Edge> in terms of speed
[21:20] <Sabre_Edge> can anyone suggest a better video editing software other than Pitivi? (It's too simple)
[21:20] <Sabre_Edge> ?
[21:21] <Volkodav> dvdauthor
[21:21] <Sabre_Edge> but isn't that just to create dvd menus and such things?
[21:22] <Volkodav> that too
[21:22] <Sabre_Edge> i see i'll give it a try
[21:22] <Sabre_Edge> thanks
[21:22] <Volkodav> np
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> Sabre_Edge, there is also openshot and kdenlive in the repos
[21:23] <Sabre_Edge> I had problems with kdenlive
[21:23] <Sabre_Edge> when i add a video to the timeline it crashes
[21:23] <ZykoticK9> Sabre_Edge, i haven't used either myself
[21:24] <christophsturm> hey! it seems my gconf database is corrupted because my disk was full. what can i do to fix that?
[21:24] <DanaG> hmm, nouveau is segfaulting.
[21:25] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/swkWZ8vL
[21:27] <alvin> christophsturm: Click op 'this bug affects me' here: bug 22842
[21:27] <dupondje> hi sweetharts :)
[21:27] <christophsturm> alvin: and how do i fix it?
[21:28] <owen1> ZykoticK9: got it. thanks
[21:28] <dupondje> andersk: thx for the fix of the aptitude fuckup :)
[21:28] <alvin> A corrupt database? I would't know. I use Kubuntu, so there's no gconf there (but there are other databases)
[21:28] <owen1> Sabre_Edge: kdenlive
[21:29] <Sabre_Edge> ok i'll try it again, because since the new format I haven't tried re-installing it
[21:29] <owen1> ZykoticK9: i had good experience with kdenlive
[21:29] <Sabre_Edge> thanks
[21:29] <alvin> the aptitude segfault is fixed now?
[21:30] <soreau> Hi. I would like to view the raw diff for compiz debian/patches/060_move_checks_to_compiz.patch. Where can I find it?
[21:31] <yofel> alvin: it's supposed to be fixed believing the changelog
[21:31] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/8fxdifhM
[21:31] <DanaG> that's xorg segfault with backtrace.
[21:33] <alvin> Ah, indeed. bug 515525 is fix released. Good. Now the lvm problems and I'm willing to try the upgrade on another computer.
[21:35] <sam92> hi, i've got a question about the package "chromium-browser". if a user searchs the software center for "chrome", he doesn't find the browser most will be searching. i think the description of the package "chromium-browser" should be updated to mention "chrome" there so that users searching for that will find it.
[21:35] <duffydack> I installed clamav/clamtk and its saying there are no virus definitions?
[21:36] <sam92> is this a bug? where should i report this?
[21:36] <DanaG> !find /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg
[21:37] <DanaG> warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug//usr/bin/Xorg" does not match "/usr/bin/Xorg" (CRC mismatch).
[21:38] <Lachesis> Does anybody know how to get Gnome-Keyring-Daemon working as a SSH agent at login in Xubuntu 10.04?
[21:38] <ZykoticK9> sam92, i agree with you, although it's more of a "feature request" then an actual bug -- but Launchpad.net is where to file bugs - you should probably file under "software-center"
[21:39] <sam92> shouldn't i file it for the package "chromium-browser" because its description needs to be updated?
[21:39] <ZykoticK9> sam92, i doubt chromium-browser package has anything to do with the Ubuntu-Software-Center description, but maybe???
[21:40] <sam92> i thought the description in software-center is the one from the debian package
[21:40] <ZykoticK9> sam92, maybe I really don't know man.
[21:40] <joaopinto> sam92, it is
[21:41] <sam92> ok, so i'll file a bug for chromium-browser. thanks
[21:41] <joaopinto> sam92, if you believe the package should have a better description file a bug against it, not for software center ;)
[21:41] <ZykoticK9> joaopinto, would you agree that searching in Ubuntu-Software-Center for "chrome" would be a bug for chromium-browser then?
[21:41] <ZykoticK9> sam92, follow joaopinto suggestion then
[21:42] <joaopinto> well, it will be arguable I am sure there was some reason for the current description to ommit chrome
[21:42] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/vmsZFk27
[21:42] <joaopinto> but the bug should clear that up ;)
[21:44] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/vmsZFk27
[21:44] <DanaG> nouveau crash... more debug symbols this time.
[21:47] <thak> Any suggestions if Places > Network doesn't work?
[21:48] <thak> With "Nautilus cannot handle "network" locations."
[21:50] <diverse_izzue> does bogofilter in evolution work for people?
[21:52] <DanaG> hmm, ubuntu-netbook-edition-2d doesn't have the netbook panel layout!
[21:53] <sam92> ZykoticK9, if you're interested, i've asked a question on launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+question/107105
[21:55] <thak> Does anyone know which packages allow Nautalis to look for network shares?
[21:55] <duffydack> I installed clamav/clamtk and its saying there are no virus definitions?  Ive installed everything clam* so now what
[21:57] <duffydack> nevermind, ive fixed it ..  ugh, why so hard ubuntu
[22:02] <DanaG> Version: 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu5
[22:02] <DanaG> segfaults.
[22:02] <DanaG> that's nouveau.
[22:02] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/vmsZFk27
[22:10] <DanaG> (02:09:36 PM) joi: DanaG: old kernel (2.6.32), old libdrm (without bugfix for crash), old ddx (line numbers does not match)
[22:10] <DanaG> great... nouveau libdrm is too old to work.
[22:10] <KDesk> hi, I don't know if it ts a new kernel, but my memory usage is very high, also the swap, that normaly is about 0 MB used, now it goes to 500MB, and he system becomes very slow. When doing: sudo swapoff -a  the swap starts to get cleaned until almost 0, then it says Killed, and the swap is 200MB full again. Is this a known problem or only my problem?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> KDesk: memory leak ?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> KDesk: sudo atop 5
[22:11] <BUGabundo> then press 'm' for memory
[22:13] <kassah> BUGabundo, there anywhere I can find out what the columns in atop mean?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> erk
[22:13] <BUGabundo> their name should be clear!
[22:14] <KDesk> BUGabundo: I don't think,  sudo atop 5 and m displays that firefox uses 7&, RSIZE is 98M VSIZE 483M, What is the VSIZE?
[22:14] <KDesk> BUGabundo: is VSIZE normal?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> virtual size
[22:14] <BUGabundo> 400 is "normal"
[22:14] <kassah> so RSIZE will be actual?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: what GPU drivers are you using?
[22:15] <kassah> is RSIZE 300MB for Evolution normal? that's double the nearest thing to it
[22:15] <danny> hello guys
[22:15] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: DanaG is complaing about nouveua
[22:15] <danny> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will not type unicode.
[22:15] <kassah> I need to find a better mail client lol...
[22:16] <KDesk> I was whatching htop, it seams to be normal, but there is no program with unusual high memory usage. It is something else I don't know
[22:16] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, ATI, my bug was already picked up by bryce
[22:16] <KDesk> Why does swapoff get killed?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> ahhh ok
[22:16] <danny> Does anyone know why?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> kassah: kmail?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> danny: LIES. sure it does
[22:17] <danny> Well mine cant. with ctrl+shift+u
[22:17] <danny> I just can't.
[22:17] <danny> :)
[22:17] <DanaG> Or rather, I need help with nouveau.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> danny: I just did !
[22:18] <danny> Okay, great it works on your box, but it will not work on mine and I need help.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> on which app?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> cause chromium doesn't!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> beats me why
[22:18] <BUGabundo> filed the bug a LONG TIME AGO
[22:19] <danny> I try to use Firefox, XChat and OOw but none will type it.
[22:20] <RPG-Master> I FIXED IT!!!!!
[22:20] <RPG-Master> :D
[22:20] <RPG-Master> anyone else having compiz issues?
[22:20] <danny> fixed what?
[22:20] <RPG-Master> compiz
[22:21] <danny> oh
[22:21] <RPG-Master> which got broke from an update
[22:21] <danny> That blows. My unicode won't work.
[22:21] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, how did you fix it?
[22:22] <RPG-Master> ZykoticK9: The update removed compiz-gnome
[22:22] <RPG-Master> installed it and all was good :D
[22:22] <ZykoticK9> RPG-Master, good to know, thanks.
[22:22] <danny> brb
[22:23] <DanaG> hmm, aside from using xorg-edgers, is there any other way to get a packaged newer nouveau?
[22:25] <danny> Im back
[22:26] <danny> I truly need help as I need to type Spanish
[22:26] <danny> I cannot type unicode with the ctrl+shift+u,
[22:26] <danny> In any appl
[22:26] <danny> app*
[22:26] <joaopinto> you need a key combination to type unicode ?
[22:27] <danny> Usually you type ctrl+shift+u but that won't work.
[22:27] <astronouth7303> ctrl+shift+u?
[22:27] <astronouth7303> never heard that
[22:27] <astronouth7303> change your keyboard layout?
[22:27] <thak> If Nautilus seems to have forgotten how to handle any network address (network///, smb://, ftp://, etc...) does anyone have any suggestion as to what package that might be contained in?
[22:27] <RPG-Master> danny: you use that on  a regular bases?
[22:27] <joaopinto> why should you need such combination ?
[22:27] <astronouth7303> joaopinto: because it's not on US keyboards
[22:28] <joaopinto> I am also not on a US keyboard and I don't need any special key combination
[22:28] <RPG-Master> I've done it before, but I have to look at a list of codes first :P
[22:28] <RPG-Master> also, on a US keyboard
[22:28] <danny> I use the codes whenever I type in Spanish. I am just weirded out because it used to work before SCIM
[22:28] <joaopinto> oh, he is using a US keyboard to type spanish ?
[22:29] <maco> danny: ctrl+shift+u worked for me when i used scim, so i dont think thats it
[22:29] <maco> and still does in gnome apps with ibus too
[22:29] <joaopinto> ctrl shift u does work for me on a terminal
[22:29] <BUGabundo> ↓
[22:29] <danny> Hm, let me try to install SCIM again and I'll let you guys know. BRB
[22:29] <joaopinto> not on xchat
[22:29] <maco> however qt apps, it does not work for me
[22:29] <RPG-Master> danny: a work around would be to use the character palette widget
[22:30] <joaopinto> Ņ
[22:30] <maco> works in pidgin and terminator
[22:30] <danny> yeah but that's a bit of a pain. Gimme a minute.
[22:30] <BUGabundo> n
[22:30] <joaopinto> ࢈oh
[22:30] <joaopinto> it works
[22:30] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:30] <BUGabundo> what was that?
[22:30] <joaopinto> ٦
[22:30] <RPG-Master> ģ
[22:30] <RPG-Master> :D
[22:31] <RPG-Master> ģȑ
[22:31] <RPG-Master> ģȑeat :P
[22:31] <RPG-Master> sorry
[22:32] <BUGabundo> stop messing with my head
[22:33] <Nattgew> does hal have to be installed for virtualbox usb support?
[22:33] <joaopinto> the open soure version does not support usb
[22:33] <Nattgew> i'm using the puel version
[22:33] <joaopinto> that requires some tweek on an usb related script
[22:34] <joaopinto> tweak
[22:34] <joaopinto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[22:34] <ZykoticK9> Nattgew, see USB support with Lucid on http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox but yes you need to run hald --daemon=no prior to starting VM
[22:35] <Nattgew> so I can't remove hal if I want USB in VirtualBox?
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> Nattgew, that's correct
[22:35] <Nattgew> ok, thanks, that's what I was wondering
[22:35] <DanaG> hmm, looks like I need edgers, after all.
[22:36] <danny> All right, so I installed SCIM again, and it still does not work.
[22:38] <DanaG> besides edgers, is there anywhere else to get a newer nouveau?
[22:38] <DanaG> It seems the edgers nouveau depends on lbm-nouveau
[22:39] <DanaG> ... which somebody said were "horribly old".
[22:39] <DanaG> s/were/was/
[22:40] <joaopinto> DanaG, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallNouveau
[22:40] <DanaG> Yeah, but I want it packaged.
[22:40] <joaopinto> DanaG, good luck :P
[22:40] <DanaG> I'm expecting to see lots of "xorg doesn't work on nv17" bug comments at lucid release. =þ
[22:41] <danny> I still need help :)
[22:44] <danny> I dont know why it stopped.
[22:46] <joaopinto> danny, sorry, can't reproduce your problem
[22:46] <danny> should I do a clean re-install.
[22:46] <danny> of Ubuntu 9.10
[22:46] <danny> ?
[22:47] <joaopinto> that will not fix your 10.04 problem :)
[22:47] <danny> i can upgrade to 10.04 again afterwards.
[22:47] <danny> or just wait until the final release.
[22:47] <joaopinto> that is not a fix, unless you did some configuration whic you dont remember
[22:47] <joaopinto> if you can afford the time, file a bug report
[22:48] <joaopinto> if you don't do so there are greater chances of the problem not being fixed on final
[22:48] <danny> True. The thing is I have not changed any configurations other than SCIM
[22:50] <BUGabundo> danny: just try daily isos
[22:56] <duffydack> Ive had a couple of plymouthd crashes since installin beta2, all up to date too..  will it ever not crash?
[22:57] <duffydack> I say crash, it just pops up in my panel, I dont actually see anything happen... not like a real crash or anything..
[23:01] <sweet> just updated lucid linux kernel to 2.6.32-20 but it doesn't show op in my boot options
[23:02] <kklimonda> DanaG: I've said that before you decided to share the fact that you are using xorg-edgers with us ;)
[23:02] <DanaG> Anyway, it doesn't work WITHOUT edgers.
[23:02] <DanaG> Just segfaults.
[23:02] <kklimonda> have you reported that?
[23:03] <kklimonda> may be worth looking at by Sarvatt & co.
[23:04] <sweet> just updated lucid linux kernel to 2.6.32-20 but it doesn't show op in my boot options
[23:04] <KDesk> has any one a high memory usage and sometimes the system becomes very slow (the mouse pointer slow too) since a few days?
[23:04] <sweet> sry didn't meqn to double post *cliboqr
[23:04] <Sarvatt> DanaG: just use a mainline daily lucid kernel and unblacklist nouveau
[23:05] <DanaG> on my netbook (a different system), all the recent vanilla kernels have panic'd even before initializing KMS.  that's a different topic, though.
[23:06] <Sarvatt> yeah thats why I said a lucid specific one, the karmic ones all panic on boot for me too
[23:06] <Sarvatt> (plus the karmic ones dont have nouveau)
[23:07] <Sarvatt> the nouveau package in edgers blacklists the nouveau module though, have to remove that to use the mainline ones
[23:08] <DanaG> I just ppa-purged edgers again, to try kernel-change-only way.
[23:08] <Sarvatt> cant use nouveau from .34 with lucid userspace if thats what you mean
[23:09] <DanaG> dang.
[23:09] <DanaG> so either way, I need edgers.
[23:09] <sweet> just updated lucid linux kernel to 2.6.32-20 but it doesn't show op in my boot options
[23:09] <DanaG> I was hoping to make the thing usable without edgers.
[23:09] <sweet> i mean in grub bootloader... any ideas?
[23:10] <kklimonda> sweet: show your /boot/grub/grub.cfg (paste it to pastebin.com or wherever)
[23:10] <sweet> kklimonda: ok sec
[23:11] <Sarvatt> sweet: grep 2.6.32-20 /boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't return anything?
[23:12] <sweet> kklimonda Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/2KEkLx9M
[23:12] <kklimonda> hmm..
[23:12] <kklimonda> sweet: can you run update-grub2 manually?
[23:12] <Sarvatt> sweet: you dont have any 2.6.32-20 files in /boot?
[23:13] <Sarvatt> if you do just sudo update-grub and it'll pick it up
[23:13] <sweet> kklimonda Sarvatt: nope they are in usr/src though
[23:13] <sweet> Sarvatt: i'll give it a try ^^
[23:14] <Sarvatt> update-grub wont work then
[23:14] <Sarvatt> are you sure you have linux-image-2.6.32-20 installed
[23:14] <Sarvatt> ?
[23:14] <Sarvatt> dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6.32-20
[23:15] <sweet> Sarvatt: I'll check it sayd so in the dist-upgrade but I'll verify
[23:16] <sweet> Sarvatt: hmmm E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.32-20
[23:16] <crimsun> -generic
[23:16] <sweet> crimsun: aha
[23:16] <kklimonda> !find libjpeg.so.8
[23:17] <sweet> Sarvatt: installing image
[23:17] <sweet> Sarvatt: get back to you after reboot ;)
[23:20] <Sweet> crimsun Sarvatt: THX
[23:20] <Sweet> works like a charm!
[23:34] <DanaG> weird... this is missing the headers-all package:
[23:34] <DanaG> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-rc3-lucid/
[23:39] <DanaG> weird... nouveau gives me screens full of garbage during reboot cycle.
[23:39] <crimsun> DanaG: known, will be addressed this week.
[23:39] <DanaG> Like it's displaying random contents of video RAM.
[23:39] <crimsun> DanaG: referring to the missing headers deb
[23:39] <DanaG> yeah, I figured. =þ
[23:41] <DanaG> netbook-launcher.distrib: nouveau_fbo.c:223: get_tex_format: Assertion `0' failed. -- probably due to lack of NPOT.
[23:42] <KDesk> has the -18 and -19 kernel something special? becuse the swap is used with hundreds of MB all the time. Older kernels where ok
[23:45] <DanaG> wow, compiz on nv17 is just asking for pain.  =þ
[23:46] <KDesk> When I do:  sudo swapoff -a: swapoff: /dev/sda3: swapoff failed: Cannot allocate memory.  What does this mean?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> KDesk: please don't repeat the same message over and over
[23:46] <BUGabundo> most of us, do read the backlog
[23:47] <KDesk> BUGabundo: this is no the same message. I haven't see this allocate memory message
[23:47] <BUGabundo> okay
[23:47] <KDesk> And I only asked if in -18 an -19 something changeed
[23:48] <DanaG> Cannot allocate memory means that total swap usage plus total ram usage, is greater than the physical RAM in the system.
[23:49] <KDesk> DanaG: ah, thanks for the info! Maybe that is what swapoff was killed
[23:51] <Gnimsh> hi
[23:52] <Gnimsh> 10.04 beta 2 broke window compositing for me, and when I try to turn it back on it just tries to reset itself but then nothing happens
[23:52] <ChrisiPK> hi everyone, after upgrading to beta2, gnome crashes and restarts after i enter my password
[23:53] <ChrisiPK> note that the reported issue with the nvidia driver makes gnome freeze and crash when clicking a user from the list...mine only crashes after entering the pass
[23:54] <DanaG> AAAaaah, bug report already exists for nouveau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/547124
[23:54] <Viper1432> ChrisiPK,  which nvidia driver, and upgraded to beta2 from what? karmic? beta1? alpha?
[23:56] <ChrisiPK> Viper1432, upgraded from karmic, using packages nvidia-173-modaliases, nvidia-96-modaliases, nvidia-current-modaliases
[23:56] <ChrisiPK> how do i know which one is the one i am using?
[23:56] <Grimmy> what's your problem ChrisiPK?
[23:56] <Grimmy> (curious if it is similar to my own)
[23:56] <ChrisiPK> grimmy, gdm crashes on entering password
[23:57] <Grimmy> ah ok. it is not
[23:57] <Viper1432> crashes, or restarts?
[23:57] <ChrisiPK> crashes, then restarts
[23:57] <Viper1432> when you were on karmic, were you using the proprietary drivers for nvidia?
[23:57] <DanaG> ooh, toshiba_acpi now gives real keyboard events, instead of acpi events.
[23:57] <ChrisiPK> Viper1432, yes
[23:57] <DanaG> The only downside: it misses some hotkeys.
[23:58] <Viper1432> ChrisiPK,  which one?   And oh fyi, the "modaliases" ain't the driver. just fyi
[23:58] <ChrisiPK> when i upgraded, i was using the latest one
[23:58] <ChrisiPK> 185, i guess
[23:58] <ChrisiPK> but i had problems with that one on karmic right away
[23:59] <ChrisiPK> ksmserver did not start because some libraries had different versions
[23:59] <Viper1432> that's not the latest.  195.xx was the latest.
[23:59] <ChrisiPK> so i removed nvidia-current
[23:59] <ChrisiPK> that made the problem with ksmserver go away, but did not really help with gdm