| godbyk | daker: you need help transferring the website files from the ubuntu-manual branch to the ubuntu-manual-website branch? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| daker | no with Series and milestones | 00:01 |
| daker | ??!!! | 00:01 |
| daker | i don't know if waht i am doing is correct or not :) | 00:01 |
| godbyk | daker: it looks like it's probably okay to me. | 00:02 |
| godbyk | I don't really understand them all fully, either. | 00:02 |
| godbyk | Basically, the milestones are things like alpha, beta, release candidate, etc. | 00:02 |
| daker | o.O | 00:02 |
| godbyk | and a series is where you want to work on two things in parallel. | 00:02 |
| godbyk | do we need to have milestones for the website? we have most of it done already, don't we? | 00:03 |
| daker | yes | 00:03 |
| daker | if i want to move all the UMP website from https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website | 00:15 |
| daker | possible ? | 00:15 |
| godbyk | daker: the translations will automatically appear. if the translators translate something in the UMP and it's the same string that's in the website, then it'll automatically appear. | 00:16 |
| daker | oki | 00:18 |
| humphreybc | hi all | 02:48 |
| daker | hi humphreybc | 02:48 |
| humphreybc | :) | 02:49 |
| daker | it was a looong time | 02:49 |
| humphreybc | how's the website stuff going daker? | 02:51 |
| daker | i am going to move the website to lp:ubuntu-manual-website | 02:53 |
| godbyk | hey, humphreybc. | 02:53 |
| humphreybc | daker: cool | 03:07 |
| humphreybc | hey kevin | 03:07 |
| daker | and you what's up ? | 03:08 |
| humphreybc | not a lot | 03:08 |
| humphreybc | need to tidy my room up today, it's a bit of a mess | 03:08 |
| * humphreybc might re-design nautilus | 03:08 | |
| godbyk | redesign it how? | 03:09 |
| humphreybc | make it more streamlined, less cluttered | 03:09 |
| humphreybc | sort of like the elementary team has done | 03:10 |
| humphreybc | i also just want to draw some stuff on graph paper | 03:10 |
| humphreybc | :) | 03:10 |
| godbyk | gotcha. | 03:11 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 03:11 |
| godbyk | didn't a couple different people do that a while back? (wasn't there a post or two on OMG or Planet GNOME about some mockups, at least?) | 03:11 |
| humphreybc | maybe | 03:12 |
| humphreybc | I think Ubuntu should fork Nautilus | 03:12 |
| humphreybc | and make it better | 03:12 |
| humphreybc | but i'll talk to you about that in a PM later today | 03:12 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 03:12 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: Can you get the list of contributors/credits to me sometime soonish? I'd like to get that dumped into the PDF (and website) and figure out which parts the translators need to translate. | 03:28 |
| humphreybc | okay | 03:28 |
| humphreybc | i'll work on that today | 03:28 |
| godbyk | It would be great if we could get everyone's names both in Latin script and whatever their preferred script is. | 03:28 |
| humphreybc | hm | 03:29 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 03:29 |
| humphreybc | might be a bit hard though | 03:29 |
| humphreybc | i'll see what I can do | 03:29 |
| godbyk | cool. | 03:29 |
| godbyk | I don't know if it's a matter of emailing the list and translators and asking for their names or what. | 03:29 |
| humphreybc | i think i'll go through all the launchpad contributors etc first, grab everyone | 03:29 |
| humphreybc | and the ones who have odd names i'll try to contact individually | 03:30 |
| godbyk | Also, if anyone has copied text from another project, we need to know what that text is licensed under, hope that it's compatible, and cite it if necessary. | 03:30 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 03:30 |
| humphreybc | i think Ilya took the firefox stuff from mozilla | 03:30 |
| godbyk | yeah, and that's in the credits already, I think. but other text may have come from the ubuntu docs project. I'm not sure what their license is (haven't looked). | 03:30 |
| humphreybc | same as ours | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | we can just credit them anyway | 03:31 |
| godbyk | that may be something we have to ask the authors (and hope they're honest about it). | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | let's just credit them anyway | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | stick them in special thanks | 03:31 |
| godbyk | we can, that's not a problem. | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | :) | 03:31 |
| godbyk | I just don't want to miss anyone/anything. | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | keep em' happy :P | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | yeah, i know | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | it'll be a bit hard | 03:31 |
| godbyk | we'll have to organize all that better for this next edition. :) | 03:32 |
| godbyk | It's all going to be easier the second time 'round, right? Right? :-) | 03:32 |
| humphreybc | ugh | 03:32 |
| humphreybc | honestly? no :) | 03:32 |
| humphreybc | it'll be just the same | 03:32 |
| humphreybc | if it's easy, it's boring | 03:32 |
| humphreybc | people like challenges, keeps them interested and occupied | 03:32 |
| godbyk | ha! | 03:34 |
| humphreybc | you think i'm joking ;) | 03:35 |
| godbyk | I'm hoping so! :) | 03:36 |
| * daker is upgrading to Lucid | 03:37 | |
| * humphreybc just had his interview for the Full Circle Magazine podcast, went really well | 08:51 | |
| humphreybc | when is translation support going to hit ubuntu-manual.org? | 09:06 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: When daker's ready to make the test.ubuntu-manual.org site the ubuntu-manual.org site. | 09:12 |
| godbyk | I emailed him about it a bit earlier. | 09:12 |
| humphreybc | k | 09:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | morning all | 09:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | humphreybc: can you put me down as a writer on the website please | 09:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | humphreybc: on the wiki what would you like me to do about the meeting that is listed there for the 2oth march? | 09:19 |
| humphreybc | luke, the "titles" will be different for the actual credits in the PDF | 09:23 |
| humphreybc | I'll put you as Author, Quickshot developer | 09:23 |
| humphreybc | but then we've all done multiple things | 09:23 |
| humphreybc | in theory I should have Team lead, Author, Editor, Web designer etc etc | 09:23 |
| humphreybc | but in the PDF it'll be different | 09:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok true just leav it as quickhsot | 09:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | you have a good point | 09:23 |
| humphreybc | and for the wiki, just remove the stuff about the 20th march thing | 09:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok will do | 09:24 |
| humphreybc | :) | 09:25 |
| * ubuntujenkins meeting done | 09:43 | |
| popey | whats wrong with the textlive in the ubuntu repo for lucid? | 09:49 |
| popey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors suggests getting texlive from upstream? | 09:49 |
| humphreybc | popey: not enough character support for all the languages | 09:50 |
| popey | so if I wanted to build the manual for en-gb it would be fine? | 09:50 |
| humphreybc | no, you'll need texlive 2009 unfortunately | 09:50 |
| humphreybc | i think so | 09:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep you need the upstream ones even for english | 09:51 |
| godbyk | popey: The Lucid packages don't have the latest TeX packages that we require (specifically, polyglossia). | 09:51 |
| popey | is upstream just newer than the one in lucid? | 09:51 |
| popey | is there a bug filed? | 09:51 |
| humphreybc | i think it's not a bug, more just the fact TeX 2009 is quite new | 09:52 |
| godbyk | popey: Probably not. I haven't looked at the packages for a few months. | 09:52 |
| godbyk | popey: Basically, the Lucid packages will never keep up to date with the TeX Live packages themselves. | 09:53 |
| godbyk | popey: We're using some leading edge packages for the TeX stuff (and we're actually contributing some code back to them). | 09:54 |
| popey | ok, thanks | 09:56 |
| godbyk | No problem. | 09:56 |
| * ubuntujenkins shouts at python dbus | 10:48 | |
| ubuntujenkins | hello all | 13:45 |
| daker | hi | 13:45 |
| daker | lucid looks good | 13:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | hi daker lucid is good, i have had it since alpha 2/3 I think | 13:47 |
| daker | from last night | 13:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | I installed 9.04 yesterday in a vm and that looks so old and wierd | 13:48 |
| daker | hhh | 13:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | evening everyone | 19:55 |
| daker | :) | 20:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello daker, how was your day? | 20:38 |
| * ubuntujenkins and quickshot fails on another local | 21:48 | |
| * ubuntujenkins doesn't understand why it doesn't work | 22:02 | |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: ping | 22:02 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: which locale is failing now? | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | all of Serbian language I have filled a bug against the python module. titeuf put in a work around but it doesn't appear to work | 22:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | nope that work around was for something else just trying to write one now | 22:24 |
| godbyk | gotcha. | 22:25 |
| godbyk | so is it just that pybabel (or whichever module) doesn't know about all the locales we're using? or something else? | 22:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | I hope the user is using the ppa. It isn't pybabel all pypbabel does is provide us with a pretty display name for the language. its the locale module that that issue is in | 22:27 |
| godbyk | ah | 22:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok type $LANG in your teminal | 22:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | how can i extract the first two letters of it? | 22:28 |
| godbyk | with python? | 22:29 |
| godbyk | you actually want to extract up to the underscore | 22:29 |
| godbyk | so: (lang_code, locale_code) = LANG.split("_", 2) | 22:30 |
| godbyk | or something like that. | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | exacltly, with python ideal or bash | 22:30 |
| godbyk | then lang_code will be the stuff before the _ and locale_code is everything after. | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | I don't know if your suggestion works | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | yes all we need is the first bit as far as i know | 22:30 |
| godbyk | $ python | 22:31 |
| godbyk | Python 2.6.4 (r264:75706, Dec 7 2009, 18:43:55) | 22:31 |
| godbyk | [GCC 4.4.1] on linux2 | 22:31 |
| godbyk | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 22:31 |
| godbyk | >>> (lang, locale) = "en_US.UTF-8".split("_", 2) | 22:31 |
| godbyk | >>> print lang | 22:31 |
| godbyk | en | 22:31 |
| godbyk | >>> print locale | 22:31 |
| godbyk | US.UTF-8 | 22:31 |
| godbyk | >>> | 22:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks godbyk that helps to fix it | 22:31 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 22:31 |
| godbyk | you could further splut the locale into locale and encoding (split on the .) | 22:32 |
| ubuntujenkins | I don't "think" it is needed, every day is a learning day for me :-) | 22:32 |
| * ubuntujenkins was pleased he helped someone else with python today | 22:33 | |
| Red_HamsterX | godbyk, that should actually be .split('_', 1). The integer is the maximum number of times to split, nit the maximum number of returned elements. | 22:56 |
| godbyk | Red_HamsterX: Ah, thanks. | 22:57 |
| godbyk | I haven't written python code for quite some time. | 22:57 |
| Red_HamsterX | Other languages, like Java, work that way. | 22:58 |
| Red_HamsterX | So confusion is understandable. | 22:58 |
| Red_HamsterX | (I make that mistake when switching between Python and Java sometimes) | 22:58 |
| Red_HamsterX | (It's quite annoying) | 22:58 |
| * ubuntujenkins notes that | 22:58 | |
| godbyk | I can imagine. | 22:58 |
| Red_HamsterX | (Like any other off-by-one issue) | 22:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: bug 554861 has got another local that doesn't work I am writing a work around. Also filed a bug against the locale module and people are replying to it so quickly. un like ubuntu stuff | 23:00 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 554861 in quickshot "Quickshot crashes on unknown locale" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554861 | 23:00 |
| Red_HamsterX | Python's issue tracker is weird. | 23:00 |
| Red_HamsterX | Sometimes things are investigated quickly, even when minor, and sometimes major things go ignored for weeks. | 23:01 |
| Red_HamsterX | I'll see if I can write a patch against it if nobody claims ownership by tomorrow. | 23:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am not sure i filed it against the right thing at them moment put a patch would be nice if you can do it. | 23:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | if you look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/554861/comments/6 | 23:03 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 554861 in quickshot "Quickshot crashes on unknown locale" [Medium,Confirmed] | 23:03 |
| Red_HamsterX | Python's dev team is pretty good about spotting duplicates and moving stuff to the right place. | 23:03 |
| ubuntujenkins | ooo i did file it right "Actually, my diagnosis was wrong. The locale module contains a list of locale aliases and some of the Serbian ones are missing. A recent locale.alias file from X11 is more complete." | 23:03 |
| ubuntujenkins | anyway what i was going to ask form the output of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/554861/comments/6 would this be the right thing to except "except ValueError: unknown locale:" | 23:04 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 554861 in quickshot "Quickshot crashes on unknown locale" [Medium,Confirmed] | 23:04 |
| Red_HamsterX | Of course, we won't see that fix until 2.7, so we'll have to catch ValueError. | 23:04 |
| Red_HamsterX | Yeah, "except ValueError, e: error-log-write("Unable to process locale: %(error)s" % {'error': str(e),}" | 23:06 |
| godbyk | I have four locale.alias files on my system (at least that locate locale.alias found for me) | 23:06 |
| godbyk | the X11 one has the sr_RS entry, but the others don't. | 23:06 |
| Red_HamsterX | Where we'd replace the string with something more uniform after evaluating how we should rebuild stuff. | 23:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | hang on i am confused | 23:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | why are we using short_code = locale.getdefaultlocale()[0] when we could use short_code = = os.environ['LANG'] | 23:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | ignore th double = | 23:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | *the | 23:11 |
| * ubuntujenkins typing fail | 23:11 | |
| Red_HamsterX | We'd have to ask titeuf. I assumed it was because getdefaultlocale() did some sort of validation that he found helpful/necessary. | 23:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | if we use the other way it would save us the problems. | 23:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | If i understand it right | 23:13 |
| Red_HamsterX | It likely would, yes. | 23:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | reply form the bug is "getdefaultlocale is inherently unmaintainable, and shouldn't be used by applications. I wish it was removed from Python (but unfortunately, too many people got tricked into believing that it does something useful). | 23:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | That said, if anybody feels like updating the tables from the various data sources, please go ahead." | 23:14 |
| Red_HamsterX | But we'd need to make sure Ubuntu can't possibly mess up $LANG. | 23:14 |
| Red_HamsterX | I can commit a patch against 2.7/3.2, then. | 23:15 |
| Red_HamsterX | Switch to $LANG, I guess. | 23:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks, i don't know what others are missing yet | 23:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will drop titeuf an e-mail just to double check if there was a reason. I will impliment it and release it in the morning unless there is an issue. and do another cd is suppose. | 23:18 |
| godbyk | Per the description, getdefaultlocale() looks at the four locale-related environment variables and parses them in order of precedence. | 23:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | which are those variables and where would i find them? | 23:19 |
| godbyk | Whereas LANG itself can be overriden by $LANGUAGE. | 23:20 |
| godbyk | http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gettext/Locale-Environment-Variables.html | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok I will keep what i wrote and look for the error from getdefaultlocale and use os,envi.... as a fall back | 23:21 |
| godbyk | k | 23:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks guys, I am going to bed | 23:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | night o/ | 23:22 |
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