[03:18] <White-Horse> hi guys i am in need of something to make slide shows with affects and music but openoffice.org just ain't doing it for me anyone know what i can use ?
[03:18] <holstein> hey White-Horse
[03:19] <White-Horse> hi
[03:19] <holstein> im an audio guy
[03:19] <holstein> almost exclusively
[03:19] <holstein> BUT...
[03:19] <holstein> let me think a minute
[03:20] <White-Horse> i used something called pro show gold on a windows machine i do have to admit it was great would love to find something for ubuntu 9.04 32-bit thats kinda the same
[03:21] <holstein> OH
[03:21] <holstein> scribus?
[03:22] <White-Horse> maybe
[03:22] <holstein> http://www.scribus.net/
[03:22] <holstein> ??
[03:22] <White-Horse> one sec i look
[03:22] <holstein> i used that for something WAY back
[03:22] <holstein> i forget what it even looked like
[03:23] <holstein> how about a photo suite?
[03:23] <holstein> http://www.rawtherapee.com/
[03:23] <White-Horse> i need something as close to this as it can be: http://www.photodex.com/products/proshow/producer
[03:23] <holstein> this just went open source
[03:24] <holstein> im not sure it does slides or not
[03:24] <holstein> do you have that software White-Horse ?
[03:24] <holstein> you could try it in wine...
[03:24] <White-Horse> yes i own it
[03:24] <White-Horse> but not sure if it will run in wine
[03:25] <White-Horse> it uses alot of windows codecs
[03:25] <White-Horse> and .dll's
[03:25] <holstein> well, if you have to have it
[03:25] <holstein> its worth a try
[03:25] <holstein> what about an online slide show maker?
[03:25] <White-Horse> what about ILinux  ?
[03:25] <holstein> like picassa?
[03:26] <White-Horse> not sure if picassa will make the affects i am looking for
[03:26] <ACKT1C> anything is worth a shot
[03:28] <ACKT1C> artistically speaking
[03:28] <White-Horse> i can give you a link to a youtube vid that i am trying to make maybe that will help if you see what kind of affects i am looking to do ?
[03:28] <holstein> i'll look at it for sure
[03:28] <White-Horse> ok one sec
[03:28] <holstein> and i'll show it around too
[03:28] <holstein> but
[03:28] <holstein> i just dont do anything like that on linux
[03:28] <holstein> OR any OS
[03:29] <holstein> but, im sure somebody knows
[03:29] <White-Horse> http://www.youtube.com/user/IamMadisonPettis?feature=chclk
[03:30] <White-Horse> i make videos like that almost everyday with pro show gold on a windows machine but i would really like to make them from my ubuntu laptop as well
[03:31] <holstein> hmmm
[03:31] <White-Horse> that youtube link was made from a mac book pro
[03:31] <White-Horse> with ilife
[03:32] <holstein> i know #ubuntu is a mess
[03:32] <holstein> BUT...
[03:32] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[03:32] <holstein> you could try a local ubuntu channel
[03:32] <holstein> ALSO
[03:32] <holstein> the #ubuntu-uk channel
[03:33] <holstein> i know some of those guys do video
[03:33] <holstein> i listen to the ubuntu uk podcast
[03:33] <Andorin> My friend installed some Ubuntu Studio packages from the repos on Karmic. She's now telling me that several programs- Pidgin, GIMP, Rhythmbox, etc- are segfaulting. Some don't work at all.
[03:33] <holstein> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[03:33] <White-Horse> ok i will give those a try
[03:33] <Andorin> Trying to search around via Google and such but not finding much helpful info...
[03:33] <White-Horse> thanks so much holstein
[03:33] <holstein> White-Horse: but, check back in here anytime
[03:33] <White-Horse> will do
[03:34] <White-Horse> thanks
[03:34] <holstein> :)
[03:34] <White-Horse> take care
[03:34] <holstein> hello Andorin
[03:35] <holstein> SO karmic
[03:35] <holstein> 32? 64 bit?
[03:35] <holstein> standard install with what packages added?
[03:35] <Andorin> 32
[03:35] <holstein> the meta packages?
[03:35] <holstein> like ubuntustudio-whatever?
[03:36] <holstein> or like sudo apt-get install gimp?
[03:36] <holstein> also, are you at the machine?
[03:37] <holstein> can you run uname -a
[03:37] <holstein> or do you know what kernel?
[03:37] <Andorin> I'm pretty sure she installed the meta-packages through apt. (Neither of us know anything about Ubuntu Studio; she wanted to try it out.) And no, I'm not, but I'm communicating with her.
[03:37] <holstein> OK
[03:37] <Andorin> I'll have her run commands/follow instructions as necessary.
[03:38] <Andorin> Her kernel version is 2.6.31-20
[03:38] <holstein> do you think something triggered it?
[03:38] <holstein> or did she install the packages
[03:38] <holstein> and boom
[03:38] <holstein> they never worked
[03:39] <Andorin> Rhythmbox and such worked fine before she installed the Ubuntu Studio packages, and now they're not working. So it's most likely because of Studio.
[03:39] <holstein> OH
[03:39] <holstein> interesting
[03:39] <holstein> well, i would suggest
[03:40] <holstein> trying to get rid of the meta packages she installed
[03:40] <holstein> i know it took a long time to get them :/
[03:40] <holstein> it could be...
[03:40] <holstein> some things are getting updated and changed around for lucid
[03:40] <holstein> OR something is just not quite right somewhere in the repos
[03:40] <Andorin> Right.
[03:40] <holstein> and a conflict is somewhere
[03:41] <holstein> BUT
[03:41] <holstein> if she wants
[03:41] <Andorin> Um, these packages came with a whole flood of dependencies.
[03:41] <holstein> yup
[03:41] <holstein> i think you would want to use aptitude
[03:41] <holstein> or sudo apt-get auto remove ubuntustudio-*whatever*
[03:42] <holstein> i forget how to do that in synaptic
[03:42] <holstein> remove packages and all the extra stuff too
[03:42] <holstein> anyways
[03:42] <holstein> you dont have to install ubuntustudio
[03:42] <holstein> OR all the studio packages
[03:42] <holstein> the theme is nice though
[03:42] <Andorin> Does that have to be done manually for each package? Because as I said, there were an awful lot, and we don't know which is causing the problems.
[03:42] <holstein> mostly
[03:43] <holstein> you will benifit by having all the audio packages installed
[03:43] <holstein> Andorin: you should be able to get rid of the meta-packages
[03:43] <holstein> and be cool
[03:43] <holstein> thats where i would start
[03:43] <Andorin> Alright.
[03:43]  * holstein assumes all other packages are up to date?
[03:44] <Andorin> Right.
[03:44] <holstein> yeah
[03:44] <holstein> you could try booting into a couple old kernels
[03:44] <Andorin> Does apt support wildcards for package names? e.g. auto-remove ubuntustudio-*
[03:45] <holstein> and see if the programs run smoother
[03:45] <holstein> Andorin: wow
[03:45] <holstein> good question
[03:45] <Andorin> I could ask in #ubuntu
[03:45] <Andorin> And actually
[03:45] <holstein> you can try
[03:46] <holstein> let me know
[03:46] <holstein> im aksing a few places too
[03:46] <Andorin> I just tried sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-* without confirming the install, and it pulled up a huge list of packages.
[03:46] <Andorin> So I think it works.
[03:46] <holstein> OH
[03:46] <holstein> i like it
[03:46] <holstein> look through them
[03:46] <holstein> at least glance
[03:46] <Andorin> Yep
[03:46] <holstein> just to make sure it looks normal
[03:46] <Andorin> It pulls up all packages with ubuntustudio- in their names, and their dependencies.
[03:47] <holstein> i would go for that i think
[03:47] <Andorin> Yeah, I told her to run it.
[03:47] <holstein> see if you can get back to square one
[03:48]  * holstein is not responsible for any loss of friendship you might encounter during this tech call ;)
[03:48] <holstein> if it seems like thats the case
[03:48] <holstein> and everything is back to normal
[03:48] <holstein> let me konw
[03:48] <holstein> know*
[03:48] <holstein> thats not cool
[03:48] <Andorin> Right, I'll let you know.
[04:02] <Andorin> Well, the wild card thing isn't going to work, because it doesn't remove the dependencies.
[04:03] <Andorin> People in #ubuntu are saying that apt should remove them automatically, but according to what she's telling me about the disk space being freed by each removal command, it isn't.
[04:04] <holstein> Andorin: sudo apt-get autoremove ?
[04:05] <Andorin> She ran sudo apt-get --purge autoremove as part of the process.
[04:05] <holstein> OH
[04:05] <holstein> and no dice
[04:05] <holstein> ?
[04:05] <Andorin> Right.
[04:05] <holstein> hmmm
[04:05] <holstein> rythymbox is still Fd up
[04:06] <Andorin> Yes.
[04:07] <holstein> hmmm
[04:07] <holstein> is that the only software that is acting funny?
[04:07] <holstein> she could try reinstalling taht
[04:07] <holstein> that*
[04:08] <holstein> you can do that in the gui part of synaptic
[04:08] <holstein> if you search for it
[04:08] <holstein> you can right click and say reinstall
[04:08] <holstein> i can imagine what would break rythymbox
[04:08] <holstein> BUT to be honest
[04:08] <holstein> i dont use it on my studio box
[04:09] <holstein> ive never even launched it
[04:09]  * holstein fires up ubuntustudio...
[04:12] <holstein> hmm
[04:12] <holstein> yeah
[04:12] <holstein> im not convinced that that is the trigger
[04:12] <holstein> i got ubuntustudio packages added that way too
[04:12] <holstein> i did not get the themes
[04:12] <holstein> BUT i got rythymbox running
[04:13]  * holstein had issues with the themes
[04:13] <holstein> causing some crashing here and there
[04:13] <holstein> is she back to the default theme?
[04:14] <Andorin> Sorry, trying to get an answer in #ubuntu too. Um...
[04:14] <holstein> sure
[04:14] <Andorin> I'll ask her about themes.
[04:16] <bastid_raZor> hi, if i'm trying to remove all the packages ubuntu studio added and get back to just ubuntu.. what would that require?
[04:16] <holstein> hey bastid_raZor
[04:16] <holstein> are you Andorin 's friend?
[04:16] <Andorin> She says she's also having trouble with the Appearances menu and can't get into it to adjust the theme.
[04:16] <Andorin> I'm pretty sure he's asking because of me ^^;
[04:16] <bastid_raZor> no, but i was trying to get an answer for him.
[04:17] <holstein> OH ok
[04:17] <holstein> cool
[04:17] <bastid_raZor> i wasn't finding much on google.
[04:17] <Andorin> I tried that too.
[04:17] <tucemiux> bastid_raZor, why would you want to do that? LoL
[04:17] <tucemiux> wut up holstein
[04:17] <holstein> hey tucemiux :)
[04:17] <Andorin> tucemiux: Because my friend installed the metapackages and now several of her apps (such as Rhythmbox) are crashing.
[04:17] <tucemiux> holstein, youre back home from your gig so soon?
[04:18] <Andorin> So we need to remove them, but that is proving to be difficult.
[04:18] <holstein> tucemiux: it was an early one
[04:18] <holstein> tomorrow, i got 2
[04:18] <holstein> and one is late
[04:18] <tucemiux> dawn
[04:18] <holstein> hehe
[04:18] <tucemiux> youre my hewoe
[04:18] <holstein> lol
[04:18] <tucemiux> you dont drink, right?
[04:18] <holstein> sometimes
[04:19] <holstein> i quit smoking 8 days ago
[04:19] <holstein> ive been dringking a little more than average
[04:19] <tucemiux> ok well youre not an alcoholic like me, otherwise you wouldve stayed out drinking
[04:19] <holstein> nah
[04:19] <tucemiux> you quit smoking? congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:19] <holstein> just a beer here and there
[04:19] <holstein> ;)
[04:19] <holstein> 8 days
[04:19] <holstein> and no fatalities
[04:20] <tucemiux> ha ha ha
[04:20] <tucemiux> well I can stay up drinking all night long till the morning LoL
[04:20] <tucemiux> that's why I decided not to go out drinking on the weekends
[04:20] <holstein> SO how about dpkg ?
[04:20] <holstein> isnt there a purge in there?
[04:21] <holstein> i though sudo apt-get autoremove metapackage would get it
[04:21] <holstein> and thats not the case
[04:21] <tucemiux> Andorin, i would just reinstall, it's the easiest, just back up your file and reinstall, boom, it's done, i generally reimage my machine every 6 months or so
[04:22] <holstein> i dont think he has direct access
[04:22] <holstein> she could update though
[04:22] <holstein> that would really get things going ;)
[04:22] <Andorin> She can't.
[04:22] <Andorin> She doesn't have the disk space necessary to back up her files at the moment.
[04:22] <holstein> cant upgrade?
[04:23] <holstein> OH
[04:23] <holstein> hmmm
[04:23]  * holstein wonders if this i not related somehow
[04:23] <holstein> is*
[04:26] <holstein> Andorin: what happens now with a simple sudo apt-get autoremove
[04:27] <holstein> tucemiux: you install each ubuntu release fresh?
[04:27] <holstein> i usually try the update
[04:28] <holstein> upgrade*
[04:28] <holstein> if i have time
[04:28] <tucemiux> holstein, yup yup
[04:28] <holstein> and then i do a fresh install too ;)
[04:28] <Andorin> holstein: 0
[04:28] <tucemiux> holstein, i generally test it first then upgrade to the official version, then download the official ISO and reinstall again
[04:29] <Andorin> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
[04:29] <holstein> hehe
[04:29] <holstein> Andorin: SO
[04:29] <holstein> why is 11 not upgraded?
[04:29] <holstein> what are those?
[04:29] <Andorin> Those are software updates she hasn't installed yet. They're irrelevant.
[04:29] <holstein> right
[04:30] <holstein> there not updated
[04:30] <holstein> those versions could need to be updated
[04:30] <Andorin> Software updates for programs like Firefox.
[04:30] <holstein> what are they?
[04:30] <holstein> OH
[04:30] <Andorin> Updates that were recently issued.
[04:30] <holstein> no libawhatnots
[04:35] <jordanl> are there any special considerations when doing a fresh install on lucid when your root partition is raid0?
[04:35] <jordanl> i thought this was a lucid only bug... but it's breaking on a fresh 9.10 install too
[04:36] <holstein> you should try that in #ubuntu+1
[04:36] <holstein> thtas a good question
[04:36] <holstein> thats*
[04:36] <jordanl> the first boot fails with a message like "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<long uuid> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
[04:36] <jordanl> ok
[04:36] <holstein> i havnet had the oppotunity to work with RAID yet
[04:42] <holstein> jordanl: yeah, you might have to try again over there
[04:42] <holstein> and get louder ;)
[04:44] <jordanl> holstein: ok, thanks. i try not to be obnoxious in the support channels though. i know we're all volunteers
[04:44] <jordanl> i'll try in regular #ubuntu as well now since i get the same result on a fresh 9.10 install
[04:45] <holstein> you could ask
[04:45] <holstein> yeah, not obnoxious
[04:45] <holstein> just a little loud
[04:46] <holstein> i think most of the devs are taking a break since beta 2
[04:46] <holstein> getting ready for RC
[04:46] <holstein> taking a break from IRC to do work
[04:51] <jordanl> yep
[04:51] <jordanl> and i'm trying to take a break from work to do audio recording
[04:51] <jordanl> ;)
[04:52] <tucemiux> jordanl, youre a developer?
[04:52] <jordanl> yes, but not an ubuntu dev
[04:52] <tucemiux> jordanl, ahhh so you dont work on opensource stuff?
[04:53] <jordanl> no, but i would like to
[04:53] <tucemiux> jordanl, if you know how to code just pick your poison and shoot
[04:54] <tucemiux> there's plenty of projects around
[04:54] <holstein> jordanl: there was an interview today
[04:54] <holstein> with ScottL
[04:54] <holstein> on the #opensourcemusicians podcast
[04:55] <jordanl> wow, i solved it
[04:55] <holstein> jordanl: w00t
[04:55] <holstein> how
[04:55] <holstein> ?
[04:56] <jordanl> it was a stupid thing actually
[04:56] <holstein> heh
[04:56] <holstein> e
[04:56] <jordanl> my root partition was raid0
[04:56] <holstein> OH
[04:56] <jordanl> but the bootable partition can only be raid1
[04:56] <holstein> so that grub idea you had
[04:56] <jordanl> the thing is, my first installation attempt with lucid had a separate boot partition on raid1
[04:56] <jordanl> and that one failed the same way, so i tried letting ubuntu automatically partition things for me
[04:57] <jordanl> and i had been using that configuration from then in (which only used a / partition and a swap partition)
[04:57] <jordanl> so i should go back and retry lucid with a separate /boot again and see if i can reproduce with the daily build
[04:57] <jordanl> because i just got this to work on 9.10
[04:58] <holstein> i like it
[04:58] <holstein> sounds like you got it solved
[04:58] <jordanl> yes :)
[04:59] <jordanl> i will check that podcast with ScottL
[05:22] <jordanl> so ubuntustudio uses the Private directory when you choose to use an encrypted homedir?
[05:23] <jordanl> the regular install encrypts your entire homedir if i remember correctly
[05:24] <holstein> jordanl: i still havent encrypted a home yet either
[07:43] <jefimenko> does anyone here use a delta 1010 in ubuntustudio? ice1712
[07:47] <jefimenko> i can hear any output from pulseaudio
[07:48] <jefimenko> but i can hear stuff through jack
[08:29] <jefimenko> can i just have jack always running and make pulseaudio play through jack?
[17:15] <tucemiux> anybody uses dropbox??
[17:15] <_guitarman_> dropbox is awesome
[17:16] <tucemiux> _guitarman_, im in opensourcemusicians, i typed into the wrong channel
[17:42] <tucemiux>  #opensourcemusicians