[00:00] imbrandon: you mean the ones that don't use mono :D [00:01] no i mean the billions arround the planet not in the US or UK [00:05] /msg txwikinger oops it was IBM not MS in the curent case and its 106 not 160, but the case is IBM vs Roger Bowler ( reguarding the Hercules mainframe emulator ) [00:05] err crap [00:06] okies, i got to run for a bit anyhow, back in an hour or so fellas, dont have tooo much fun [00:06] imbrandon: Ah yes.. I have heard about that issue, however, asaik it is not even in front of court yet [00:06] new round of uno in #kubuntu-playtime [00:06] in case you two care :P [00:08] * txwikinger is afk for dinner [00:08] oh my [00:08] kubotu: np [00:08] apachelogger is listening to "Qt 4 Dance" by Finn Arild/Trolltech -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [00:08] :D :D :D :D [00:08] weeeeheeee [00:08] * apachelogger takes Nightrose for a dance [00:09] imbrandon: That's probably case has been covered on Groklaw recently. [00:10] jjesse: o/ uno in #kubuntu-playtime [00:11] would love to but on briefly, be back after i take out the trash and walk the dog [00:12] oh [00:12] jjesse: have fun ;) [00:12] apachelogger: thanks wouldn't consider it fun ;) [00:12] Who would ;) === romulo is now known as promulo [00:18] * apachelogger installs russian [00:19] hi promulo [00:21] * DarkwingDuck grumbles [00:21] Woah, that's a handfull for the 10.10 wishlist... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Brainstorm [00:24] DarkwingDuck: Get to work. [00:25] ScottK: What am I supposed to be doing? :P [00:26] DarkwingDuck: You're the one with the list. [00:26] Actually, ScottK, is there anything I can help with for netbook? [00:26] I think we're in pretty good shape. [00:26] Ok, cool. [00:26] We use khelpcenter or, do we use a modified version of yelp? [00:26] DarkwingDuck: Could you check and see if there are any screenshots for digikam or kipi-plugins in kubuntu-docs? [00:27] There's some discussion of an update and it'd be good to know if it'd affect docs. [00:27] back [00:27] Ok, gimme a few [00:28] hrm can the knr and the full gui reside peacefully on the same laptop ScottK [00:28] * imbrandon ponders === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [00:29] imbrandon: Yes. There's a kcm to picking which one you want to run if both plasma-netbook and plasma-desktop are installed. [00:30] to picking/for picking [00:30] k [00:31] whats the current todo list look like ? any itches i can scratch tonight ? [00:31] bug 560976 [00:31] Launchpad bug 560976 in ktorrent "All translation of KTorrent disappears after latest update" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560976 [00:31] maybe getting rid of the search tab in khelp ;) [00:31] at times I wonder [00:31] mmmm.... Am I the only one with broken images in kubuntu-docs? can someone go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/ and let me know if images are working? [00:32] Well, okay then. [00:32] It's only broken with firefox [00:32] and there comes the locobot querying me [00:36] ScottK: No screen shots [00:38] DarkwingDuck: where in specific? [00:38] apachelogger: hmm? [00:38] imbrandon: you could get rid of khc ;) [00:38] DarkwingDuck: what precise page I can see that? [00:38] apachelogger: See... digikam? [00:39] Oh, my problem [00:39] apachelogger, i think thats a bit optimistic for only 15 days left and past beta 2, BUT getting rid of the search tab wouldent be all bad per that bug [00:39] right ? [00:39] Any of them. The images were not showing up in firefox. Any of the pages. [00:40] DarkwingDuck: oh [00:40] DarkwingDuck: from /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/photos/graphics.html it seems as if it uses urls of the sort help:/foobar [00:40] which of course only works in konqueror and/or khc [00:41] Right. It's on my ToDo list ;) [00:41] imbrandon: I guess getting rid of the tab will do ;) [00:42] DarkwingDuck: Thanks. [00:42] ScottK: anytime [00:42] apachelogger: So we can change digikam/kipi without affecting docs. [00:42] DarkwingDuck: also, I am getting the old fugly kubuntu icon in KHC [00:43] ScottK: that you should ask DarkwingDuck [00:43] DarkwingDuck: I suppose you mostly just refer to the digikam documentation? [00:43] apachelogger: I did. [00:44] and the answer was? [00:44] ah [00:44] apachelogger, ScottK. Here is what we have currently for that... /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/photos/index.html [00:44] ScottK: yeah, then it shouldnt be a problem, we dont change any strings, so regression potential is rather low there [00:45] DarkwingDuck: btw, you should really make sure that it works best in KHC [00:45] regular folks will not manually direct their browser to the documetnation ;) [00:45] I know. Quick fix [00:46] file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/photos/index.html [00:46] Sput: ^ [00:46] it would be very nice if that was clickable and opened the right thingy [00:46] apachelogger, actualy is 3.5 in universe yet ? [00:46] imbrandon: KDE 3.5? [00:47] yes [00:47] no [00:47] should it? [00:47] we ditched it except for kdelibs and some apps [00:47] a 3rd party version is maintained in a ppa though [00:47] apachelogger: help:/kubuntu/photos/graphics.html#Digikam [00:47] well debian did the fix by adding htdig , witch sucks and we can only do it if its in universe [00:48] imbrandon: well, KHC is also in KDE 4 ;) [00:48] the other solution to fixing it properly would be rewriting the search [00:48] my "plan" was to add htdig to the 3.5 , since it should be in universe imho anyhow and remove it for 4+ [00:48] as I said yesterday ... KHC is broken by design [00:48] but that plan wont work if we have bits of kdebase in mauin [00:49] main* [00:49] all of kdebase is in main :P [00:49] all of core KDE is in main [00:49] anyhow [00:49] right [00:49] imbrandon: you could mail the 3rd party ppa maintainer to fix up his 3.5 stuff, and for our 4.4 hide the search tab [00:49] okies then i guess it will just be a divergence form debian then, not a big loss or delta anyhow [00:49] because even with htdiag it fails in 7/10 tries last I checked [00:50] yea, because of dash [00:50] sure? [00:50] you need to add htdig plus un-bash a script or two [00:50] yea [00:50] * apachelogger seems to remember that he ditched all the bashishm some time ago [00:50] apachelogger: I'm not seeing the kubuntu logo anywhere... just the KDE one. [00:50] maybe someone keeps re-adding bashishm ^^ [00:51] its from a generated perl script that calls /bin/sh and assumes bash that htdig uses to make indexes [00:51] apachelogger: NM I see it now [00:51] http://imagebin.ca/view/ddzcdiF5.html [00:51] big mess imho [00:51] I told you so [00:51] imbrandon: just dont invest too much time into it [00:51] 3rd party maintainer ? sooo ..... whats the state of 3.5 now ? [00:51] KHC is going to be replaced sooner o rlater [00:52] apachelogger, i'm not, its an easy fix to get rid of it, just wanna make sure i'm doing it "right" [00:52] apachelogger, like seriously 10 min of packing once i have the "plan" if that [00:52] apachelogger: what are we going to replace it with? and can we write in support for Mallard? [00:54] imbrandon: I dont quite know all about 3.5. But AFAIK it is like this: first kb9vqf started redoing the old KDE 3 packages, then we helped him to make it less conflicting with our KDE 4 packages, so I thik for both 9.04 and 9.10 he did KDE 3 remixes, meanwhile I think he officially forked KDE 3.5 and maintains it under new name [00:54] DarkwingDuck: what is mallard? [00:54] apachelogger, litterly if i rename the khelpcenter/searchhandlers to like khelpcenter/searchhandlers_disabled everything should just *work* as we want, i was just gonna be hard on myself and do it diffrent for 3.5 too , but that "fix" will disable the search tab in 3.5 and 4+ [00:54] DarkwingDuck: we will replace it with new fanch KHC [00:54] I just dont know how and when [00:54] the topic is insanely complex [00:54] mallard is gnome's help file stuff [00:55] Mallard is a doc standard that is instead of using docbook [00:55] and the fact that there are 4 diferent types of documentation files doesnt help [00:55] DarkwingDuck: should I ever come up with a software design that can cope with all the shiz that is out in linux documentation land, then we sure can integrate mallard support ;) [00:56] apachelogger: the reason I'm asking is we are setting up a plan to one day convert kubuntu-docs to mallard [00:56] err s/disable/hide [00:56] imbrandon: well, as said 3.5 technically does not exist anymore and certainly not our maintenance obligiation == just bonus [00:56] apachelogger, rockin, thats what i wanted to hear [00:57] It's more topic oriented. [00:57] DarkwingDuck: that can easily be done with a mallard2html converter even now ;) [00:57] * apachelogger finds the html approach rather sane actually [00:57] ScottK, i ran into a strange grub problem with 10.04 on the netwooks ( but to be fair its not kubuntu specific, unr has it too ) [00:58] netbooks* [00:58] wow if i could type today [00:58] my current concept involves an abstract backend layer to which you can attach various engines that will parse the various markup syles on-the-fly to html [00:58] apachelogger: ahhh, sweet [00:58] apachelogger, i would love to help with some code on that, sounds intresting ( not s joke. seriously ) [00:59] the other approach would be insanly more complex, but might be sweeter -> as far as the various markups allow youd parse it and then build a Qt UI on the fly [00:59] that might actually be possible via that new UI magic in Qt 4.7 [01:00] but really insanely complex [01:00] imbrandon: cool :) [01:00] apachelogger: then what are you waiting for? :P:P [01:00] apachelogger, why not pasre it then output xml, then you could do both, xlst for the html and xml-->uidesigner for the other [01:01] imbrandon: I think the current solution parses to xml anyway, so one could heavily reuse that [01:01] :) [01:01] also docbook is xml derived anyway [01:01] kubotu: google gnome mallard [01:01] Results for gnome mallard: 1. ProjectMallard - GNOME Live!: http://live.gnome.org/ProjectMallard | 2. Yelp/Icons - GNOME Live!: http://live.gnome.org/Yelp/Icons | 3. Project Mallard: Rethinking Help: http://people.gnome.org/~shaunm/quack/mallard.xml [01:02] mallard is also xml [01:02] see , we stand on the shoulders ... [01:03] nice thing about xlst is it would be fast to build etc, then work on the ui stuff as you go along ( point releases ? ) [01:04] * apachelogger nods [01:05] either way, we would need a better search index than htdig [01:05] lol [01:05] there isnt something built into qt for indexing ? [01:06] not that I know of [01:06] i'll be glad when the help files dont have to be local, online only would be awesom , but i know that day is not as close as i would like [01:06] imbrandon: I was thinking about using nepomuk + strigi [01:07] in fact strigi can already index docbook IIRC, so we would just need to build a collection using those two thingies (the media player bagarang can be a role model for that) [01:07] nice [01:07] apachelogger: where's the game of uno? [01:08] uht oh [01:08] jjesse: all uno'd out already :) [01:08] do'h [01:08] wow it feels like i have been away from kde FOREVER [01:08] unless you find enough people to do another round ;) [01:08] imbrandon you have been :) [01:08] remind me never to do that again , LOL [01:09] * apachelogger giggles [01:09] apachelogger, no that actualy sounds sound, but we should definately start it sometime after release, for real [01:09] it only feels like yesterday that I was trying to prevent dolphin from crashing in some very early KDE trunk build of what would become KDE 4 ^^ [01:09] apachelogger, exactly [01:09] apachelogger: I wrote a comment. I hope it as an optimal confusion factor [01:10] well, actually it feels more like last century :D [01:10] so many things happened [01:10] incredible [01:10] txwikinger: yeah, I saw, thanks :) [01:10] apachelogger, its actauly been since the last LTS, i was kinda disapointed in the kde4 state at that time , so i started using gnome, now i got a ton of catching up to do [01:10] imbrandon: re starting ASAP - that entirely depends on whether I get a gsoc slot for ubuntu one kde [01:11] apachelogger, ahh [01:11] * txwikinger wonders why he pays for cable TV when he gets everything he watches for free on the Internet and it is even legal to do so [01:12] imbrandon: we could defenitely draw up some design and stuff though and go upstream with that [01:12] txwikinger, lol i thought the same thing yesterday, i only watch 2 shows, and really could carer less about them , caprica and stargate universe , and they both are online the day of air legal [01:12] I suppose other distros would ditch resources in [01:12] its not like only our doc dudes and I are annoyed by the crappyness of KHC ^^ [01:13] apachelogger, yea thats more of what i ment, not nessesarly diving into code right away, more of start the "real" planning for it then [01:13] ugh apt-mirror sorely needs some love this week too [01:14] wow [01:14] we really dont want to dive in ^^ [01:14] I suspect that is how KHC came into existance [01:14] Really bad idea. [01:14] i really wish i had the time to rewrite apt-mirror in python [01:15] apachelogger, yea, well maybe not existance, but it dosent look thought out over a long peroid [01:15] more like patch on patch on patch on bandaid on patch [01:15] though it is rather powerful under the hood [01:15] theoretically [01:15] It just completely fails to embrace that. [01:15] :) [01:16] where is khc in 4 ? [01:16] -workspace dosent seem right [01:17] imbrandon: runtime [01:17] ahhh yea much better [01:18] mmm mt dew with real sugar /me is in love [01:19] its the greatest sn't it? [01:19] definately [01:20] whats our timeline look like , i dont wanna be uploading bugfixes toooo late [01:20] ( for main ) [01:23] new kernel, time to reboot brb [02:10] txwikinger: where do you go for the TV online? [02:10] ctv.ca for instance [02:11] ScottK: where is the kcm module you mentioned ? i'm not seeing it after a cursory look [02:11] ( i've installed kubuntu-netbook on a full blown install ) [02:26] imbrandon: It's in Look and Feel -> Desktop the last item. If you don't have both plasma-netbook and plasma-desktop installed it won't give you any choices. [02:26] k [02:29] hrm i have both installed, maybe i need to restart kde [02:32] ahh got it [02:32] i think i'm bit by the overlap bug though [02:32] lol [02:33] leaste with the clock [02:38] That's it. [02:38] You could test debfx's patch. [02:38] That'd be good. [02:39] sure, where is the bug/patch ? [02:40] apachelogger: i am pretty sure i have the khelp search disabled, just rebuilt kdebase-runtime and gonna test it on my desktop first [02:41] imbrandon: Bug #540324 [02:41] Launchpad bug 540324 in kdebase-workspace "plasma-netbook logout widget overlaps other widgets" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540324 [02:41] kk, yup thats what i'm bit by [02:42] looks strange [02:42] lol [02:42] me too [02:52] Hopefully debfx saved the day again. [03:07] hrm [03:07] no accept or reject email [03:07] i wonder if i still have main permissions , lol [03:08] imbrandon how long did you take off :) [03:08] well i havent uplaoded anything to main in about a year [03:08] but i havent been gone that long [03:08] :) [03:09] imbrandon: It didn't look to me like you do. [03:09] ScottK: can you poke arround and see if my upload of kdebase-runtime is not silently failing somewhere i'm unaware of [03:09] Maybe I missed it when I looked. [03:10] hrm, that sucks, i'll have to get that fixed, ok mind grabbing the bzr branch and sponsoring this upload for me please ? [03:10] OK. persia can probably point you in the right direction on that. [03:11] * ScottK has a few things in the queue first, then if he hasn't passed out .... [03:11] no worries, i can grab a sponsor i'm sure no problems if your backlog looks full for the night [03:11] It's probably OK, just I may run out of steam. [03:12] persia: ping ( re: kubuntu privs ) when you have a moment [03:12] If you could test out the overlap fix, that'd help. [03:12] yup yup, doing that now, it was next on the list [03:12] imbrandon: Actually you want core-dev back, right? [03:12] ScottK: yes, iirc i still had it [03:12] :) [03:12] or so i thought [03:12] yeah, not according to Launchpad. [03:13] mustive expired when i wasent looking, probably will need to talk to the TB again [03:13] oh well not something i can fix at this second, i'll take a look at the overlap fix and then worry about it [03:15] does core-dev still go through the TB , or has that also changed a bit, i know they was talking about deligating a bit of it, just not sure what bits [03:15] imbrandon: We have Developer Membership Board now that does it. [03:15] persia is on the DMB. [03:16] ahh cool, ok, rockin , ok onto bug # 540324 [03:16] Thanks. [03:17] felix=debfx ? ( just makin sure ) [03:18] yes [03:18] k [03:20] i need to move my blog to its new linode tonight sometime too, fun fun [03:20] gonna be up all night again ;) [03:25] k building with patch now, will test when done , for now, time to find a snack [03:26] ahh yea got the reject email [03:26] no main privs [03:26] fooooooooood [03:39] imbrandon: Looking at the precedent (predating my membership on the DMB), it appears that the process is to mail developer-membership-board@lists.ubuntu.com with a statement of the reasons you stepped down, and your intentions for the future. [03:40] ok persia thanks, will do that here in a few minutes :) [03:41] imbrandon: The next meeting is at 15:00 13th April. There's a request at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess for a week to pass: I'm unsure if that applies for reactivations: be aware that it might be on the 13th and it might be on the 27th that your application is considered. [03:42] ahh ok, i thought reapplications were mail only like motu, thanks [03:44] imbrandon: MOTU apps are done "in person" at the meetings too. [03:44] ... [03:45] mine was email only to renew motu [03:45] hrm [03:45] no worries thgouh, its easy enough when i'm always on irc anyhow :) [03:46] been a long time since i had to do any of this stuff anyhow, will do me good to refresh my memory [03:47] It's not your memory: the processes changed :) === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only10 left to fix! [03:48] leaste its not as bad as when i got core-dev to begin with, awnsering questions from sabdfl in the TB meeting was a lesson in calming ones nerves ;) [03:49] at least you didn't break the tech board ;) [03:49] lol [03:49] JontheEchidna did you? [03:50] My still-pending application invoked much confusion on whether or not abstaining meant lowering the total number of people voting or not [03:51] i was so nervious durring the meeting i dident sleep for 24 hours before more than 10 min at a time, much has changed since then :) [03:51] JontheEchidna: ??? people are abstaining on your vote? [03:52] jjesse: well, with good reason, for the most part [03:52] oh ok [03:55] uht ohh , who let nixternal in [03:55] apachelogger: That is exactly correct (the new name is Trinity at http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net) Also, Lucid packages are coming up shortly [03:57] some idiot obviously [03:57] :) [03:59] kb9vqf: looks like a handfull [04:00] imbrandon: It sure is :P [04:00] But it sure beats the alternatives... [04:01] * kb9vqf is probably the only one who hates Windows/Mac interfaces with a passion [04:01] :) [04:03] not that i care at all but why setup all the infrastructure youre self ( like bugzilla ) why not use launchpad ? [04:03] just curious [04:05] jjesse: Part of the reason nm-applet just works with NM is that it's developed by the same people that develop NM in conjunction with it. KNM, OTOH, is developed seperately, so it's harder to keep in sync. [04:05] (your blog requires a login to comment, so you get IRC comments) [04:05] ScottK: i'll add them to the comments [04:06] jjesse: Also, except for the lack of hidden network support, it's worked pretty well for me in Karmic and Lucid both. [04:06] woot build finished, time to test on the laptop [04:06] i seem to have some form or issue that i need to figure out to get working correctly every release [04:06] i try really hard [04:07] Heya nixternal. How goes recovery from the flood? [04:07] nixternal: BTW, we have working powerpc live CD images. Tm_T tested them for me during your hiatus. [04:07] i have 2 out of 8 computers, 3..keep forgetting about the netbook [04:07] flood didn't damage them, a roof fell on them and smashed them [04:08] :s [04:08] i have not one single computer i can do any type of dev work on...no power [04:08] and insurance is being a pita [04:08] ouch [04:09] imbrandon: Mainly, I'm used to those particular software packages. I also like to keep services completely or mostly under my control when possible; that way there's one less variable to worry about [04:09] so...i think i am probably done doing dev work for a while [04:09] what money i do have i am using for bike racing, and that isn't much money at all [04:09] Launchpad is great though; I really like the PPA feature (when it's not bogged down of course ;)) [04:09] i get more benefit out of racing than I do wasting a ton of time here [04:10] nice i insert a usb disk and it gets named ..... ?PNG!> [04:24] * ScottK hopes the sudden silence isn't a bad sign for imbrandon's testing. [04:24] hehe nope, just installing ti now [04:24] dident wanna build on the laptop , tooo slow, so i sneekernet'd it via usb and its installing now [04:25] gonna reboot/test in about ~30 sec [04:25] ScottK: my solid oak desk, saved the PPC and this server [04:25] Host '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.31-21-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 1000 MHz; Up: 36 min; Users: 3; Load: 0.67; Free: [Mem: 468/935 Mio] [Swap: 863/863 Mio] [/: 10764/14084 Mio] [/boot: 55/122 Mio] [/media/maxtor: 137358/150230 Mio] [/home: 33689/41301 Mio]; Vpenis: 96.6 cm; [04:26] woohoo, 1 GHz athlon, the most power system I have right now :( [04:26] ouch [04:26] i'd say move to kc but umm we have those damnd things too [04:26] lol [04:27] so, whoever steps up and takes over building docs with translations, that's gonne be fun, as I doubt I will have the power to do it in a week or so [04:27] * nixternal is broke too which makes it worse [04:27] i can do some of that if needed, you'll just have to let me know where ya was with everything [04:28] just waiting for translations to get a bit better, then download them all, work it into the build setup somehow and rock-and-roll [04:28] k [04:28] i'll poke it later this week some and then poke you if i have issues [04:29] this box should build stuff fairly quick, dual quad core w/8gb ram [04:29] 2 weeks [04:29] the day before final freeze [04:29] nixternal: flood? [04:29] txwikinger: tornado [04:29] or microburst [04:29] oh my [04:29] the weather people are to stupid to say which it was [04:30] hey, i was on tv one day getting interviewed by every news station in chicago wearing an ubuntu t-shirt :) [04:30] the second day, openSUSE t-shirt :) [04:30] ScottK: everything looking good so far, still pokin a bit more to make sure [04:30] OK. Good to know. [04:30] Trying to find room on my hard drive for -runtime now. [04:30] nixternal: You should have asked for some consulting fee for the interview ;P [04:30] heh [04:30] the diff is small, like 40 or 50kb [04:30] iirc [04:30] eep openSuse... lot's of mono I guess [04:31] a friend of mine just started his own construction company, so i am thinking of leaving this whole insane computer world for something different....job market blows ass in chicago and i don't feel like moving or traveling 8 out of 7 days a week [04:32] nixternal: you can franchise my store and open one in chi ;) [04:32] construction? Does not seem to be the right industry for the future either [04:32] works for me...what is the store? [04:32] probably a head shop or sex toy shop [04:32] computer thift shop ( .com ) [04:32] dot com!!!! [04:32] nixternal: You should move into Healthcare ;p [04:32] recycled systems and closeout buys ;) [04:32] sorry, don't want to work for the government [04:33] computer theft shop? [04:33] nixternal: I have a cousin who was a EE in silicon valley and then gave it up to work as an independent handyman type contractor. [04:33] i just found out that i live by one of those places [04:33] thrift* [04:33] He enjoyed it for a few years and then got tired of being poor and went back. [04:33] i went in to check it out as i rode past it on my bike...that guy has shit from the 80s in there [04:33] lol [04:33] OS/2 [04:33] imbrandon: I thought that is called eBay [04:33] wtf is going to buy OS/2? [04:33] os/2 is still used by alot of atm's [04:34] esp at BoA [04:34] my bank's atms use aix [04:34] v6 [04:34] the ones that use windows are down all the time [04:34] blue screen! [04:35] dude, i went to the atm 2 days ago, at some bank in southern illinois, and it was a BSOD [04:35] the words were all garbled but it was an actual BSOD [04:35] pics ? [04:36] txwikinger: yes ebay helps alot, but i gear more twords business that let me come in and recycle 200 to 500 machines ata time, its expensive for them to get rid of [04:36] i help with that expense ( and make a bit o cash at the same time ) [04:38] nixternal: What about the Blackhawks? [04:38] that and i buy closeouts from manufatures, like the apple bid list, all their refurbs go onto a "bid list" that you can buy pallets at a time of ( but not less ) [04:40] txwikinger: they are the best NHL team evah! damn, Celeste isn't here for me to rip on her Pens [04:40] but the Capitals are hot this year [04:40] imbrandon: I didn't have my cam on me, I was just wearing my underwear actually when I was getting money :) [04:41] tmi [04:41] lol [04:41] it was a couple of hours before our ride, so i chucked on my bike undies and went out in those [04:41] ScottK: looks good, i cant seem to break the patch [04:41] gonna push it to bzr [04:41] right now I am trying to find pics of me in yesterday's race and today's time trials...I even shaved my legs and have yet to find a picture of me [04:41] imbrandon: Great. Please do. I'll take that after I get done with runtime. [04:41] kk [04:42] nixternal: You really believe you are faster :D [04:42] nixternal: lol, i cant imagin you with shaved anything ( nor do i wanna ) [04:44] shaved legs aren't for going faster...they are for when you fall the big ass band aides don't stick to your fur...."PULL FAST!!!" 1.....2......OMG OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! [04:44] nixternal: I ride with my bicycle to work at least once a week [04:45] wish i could say that [04:46]