[00:00] <ChrisiPK> i had kde-runtime files installed, so after logging in, kde started
[00:00] <ChrisiPK> at least some basic kde environment
[00:00] <ChrisiPK> i removed those, as i do not want to use kde
[00:00] <Viper1432> you removed nvidia current...and now you are having issues.  well...you need to go to xorg.conf, and verify what its trying to load.
[00:00] <ChrisiPK> and now gnome doesn't start at all, just restarts
[00:01] <Viper1432> good chance, xorg is pointing to something not "there" now.
[00:01] <Viper1432> you can get there by ctrl+alt+f1, login at the prompt, and then use nano to open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and check it.
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> i am looking at it right now
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> Driver "nvidia"
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> that is the line, i suppose
[00:02] <Viper1432> there is the problem.
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> well, i do have nvidia-kernel-common installed
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> doesn't that contain the basic files i need?
[00:03] <Viper1432> under lucid jockey does the install of stuff now.  its not like karmic was.
[00:04] <Viper1432> So...you removed stuff needed to boot into X.  change that driver listing in xorg to say..."nv" or to be safe "vesa", and give it another shot.  THEN  use the hardware driver applet (jockey) from system/admin and have it install the nvidia driver recommended for your box.
[00:05] <ChrisiPK> will do, thanks
[00:05] <ChrisiPK> by the way, if it cannot find the driver, it should complain about that someplace, right?
[00:06] <Viper1432> vesa is a good fallback ChrisiPK .
[00:07] <ChrisiPK> i edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf~
[00:07] <ChrisiPK> is that the right file?
[00:07] <ChrisiPK> cuz i changed it to vesa and the issue is still the same
[00:07] <Viper1432> the ~ is a temp indicator.  you want the "xorg.conf" file with no tilde'
[00:08] <ChrisiPK> that file does not exist
[00:08] <Viper1432> do you have /home in a separate partition?
[00:08] <ChrisiPK> no, not on this machine
[00:08] <Viper1432> sigh.
[00:08] <ChrisiPK> strange...locate tells me it is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but dir and nano tell me it's not there
[00:10] <Viper1432> The problem is that its damn difficult to troubleshoot this after the person has gone and deleted various things.  I personally would take the beta2 disc and do a fresh upgrade...better yet, put /home on a sep partition and do a clean install with it.  I'm using two different test boxes, and am not having any issues at all with nvidia prop. and lucid.
[00:11] <ChrisiPK> i see...well, actually i'd rather not go this way, so thanks for your help :)
[00:11] <Viper1432> good luck with that.
[00:12] <ChrisiPK> thanks
[00:13] <Nattgew> ChrisPK: I think that you have the same bug as the one you mentioned... at least I did, and mine was marked a duplicate of that one
[00:13] <Nattgew> ChrisiPK
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> Nattgew, i read that bug report and it says that gdm already freezes when you click the user
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> that is not the case for me
[00:14] <Nattgew> wasn't for me, either
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> also, the comments say you can bypass this by deinstalling the gdm themes
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> didn't work for me
[00:15] <Nattgew> hmm, good to know, i'll have to look at that again, then
[00:17] <AutoBot> anyone know of the largest issue with beta 2 currently?
[00:18] <ChrisiPK> not being able to log in seems pretty severe to me ;)
[00:18] <ChrisiPK> any higher bids? ;)
[00:19] <genii> Scrambled TTYs ... ?
[00:19] <yofel> we have a few... boot freezes when fsck is being run, the live disks can't boot sometimes and plymouth still seems to randomly fail sometimes
[00:20] <yofel> you'll find much more on LP...
[00:20] <BUGabundo> oh look who is back
[00:20] <BUGabundo> in time to hit the bed :)
[00:20] <BUGabundo> yofel: let go off the keyboard....
[00:20] <BUGabundo> slowlly
[00:21] <yofel> haha, no, I finished what I wanted to do today and though I would check what's going on :D
[00:21] <yofel> *thought
[00:22] <ChrisiPK> ohwell...vesa is not loading ^^
[00:23] <Tominator> hi! I've got a problem with subdomains and other domains... I just installed ubuntu lucid server and the config for the subdomains (which i had in debian etch) don't work anymore... I don't know why
[00:23] <AutoBot> yofel: yes I have the plymouth issue, nothing else really
[00:25] <danny> Hello
[00:26] <DanaG> hmm, I usually like having desktop_is_home_dir set.... it makes it easy to open any of the documents or pictures (or such) dirs.
[00:26] <BUGabundo> Tominator: that's quite a jump
[00:27] <danny> joao I did a clean install. There was no other way as there was no bug
[00:27] <Tominator> BUGabundo: jap
[00:27] <BUGabundo> jap?
[00:27] <danny> joa?
[00:27] <Tominator> yes it is :)
[00:28] <danny> BUGabundo: how do I let the Ubuntu team my problem?
[00:28] <danny> Since it's not a bug
[00:28] <BUGabundo> danny: beats me! if its not a prob why do you want to let anyone know ?
[00:28] <h4f> where can I get vmlinuz-2.6.31-17-generic ?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> you could try the forums
[00:28] <BUGabundo> or LP anwsers
[00:29] <BUGabundo> h4f: LP ? or kernel team PPA
[00:29] <danny> Because I want them to know there are idiots out there who mess up their Ubuntu and there should be some kind of restore point.
[00:29] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[00:29] <BUGabundo> so what did you do ?
[00:30] <danny> I don't know. All I did today was trying to enable my computer to work with SCIM so I can type Japanese. I did but my unicode got messed up so I had to do a clean install.
[00:30] <Andre_Gondim> does any one have problem with gwibber, doesn't apears nothing in main windows
[00:31] <dos123> do you mean a time machine like thing for ubuntu?
[00:31] <danny> はい
[00:31] <danny> yes
[00:32] <danny> Something where you can restore your settings back to a time where all worked well.
[00:32] <DanaG> heh, gwibber is even more broken for me... I have to manually edit the source file to change int(font-size) to eval(font-size).
[00:32] <dos123> i dont need it, i just pull the livecd out the stay
[00:32] <danny> Can you restore settings with a Live CD?
[00:32] <AutoBot> danny: what settings are you having problems with
[00:33] <dos123> i dont trust and use ubuntu in real cases
[00:33] <AutoBot> danny: nm I see SCIM and unicode
[00:33] <danny> Well now it's too late, but I was having trouble with inserting unicode.
[00:33] <danny> Thanks anyway. :)
[00:33] <dos123> i use only default settings
[00:33] <AutoBot> lol
[00:34] <dos123> lol+1
[00:34] <danny> Well everything is fine for now. I'll just upgrade to LTS the 29th
[00:34] <DanaG> hmm, I find it a bit odd that the default desktop is 100% empty.
[00:34] <DanaG> Is it supposed to be like that?
[00:34] <AutoBot> DanaG: yes
[00:35] <AutoBot> DanaG: what did you expect to be on the desktop?
[00:35] <log|in> is free porn an aceptibal answer?
[00:35] <AutoBot> log|in: haha yes
[00:35] <dos123> how many people really pay for lts service?
[00:35] <maco> its not an appropriate answer
[00:36] <log|in> ok well i didnt say it
[00:36] <virtuald> didn't there use to be a circle of naked friends?
[00:36] <AutoBot> maco: he said aceptibal not acceptable ;)
[00:36] <DanaG> Hmm, I'd expect mounted volumes, or a shortcut to "computer", or such. maybe.
[00:36] <virtuald> though that's far from porn :p
[00:36] <log|in> ok well i have something i need help with
[00:36] <astronouth7303> of course free porn isn't appropriate. That wasn't the question.
[00:37] <maco> DanaG: mounted *external* volumes do show on the desktop i think
[00:37] <log|in> i upgrated from beta 1 to beta 2 but now my wifi card isnt working
[00:37] <log|in> any ideas why?
[00:37] <log|in> i have no network interface options atall
[00:37] <AutoBot> log|in: anything relevant in dmesg?
[00:37] <log|in> im not in it now
[00:37] <log|in> i would have to reboot to find out
[00:37] <AutoBot> log|in: your switch is off
[00:37] <dos123> log|in, your keyboard are screwed up
[00:38] <log|in> no 3 beers in a hour :P
[00:38] <dos123> my multi-task dos has no such crap problem
[00:38] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the "Ubuntu Netbook 2D" session doesn't have the netbook type panel setup.
[00:39] <log|in> so no help?
[00:39] <AutoBot> DanaG: I have no idea what Netbook 2D is
[00:40] <DanaG> !info netbook-launcher-efl
[00:40] <AutoBot> I wouldn't call that light
[00:40] <AutoBot> oh nm it's lite
[00:41] <DanaG> Enlightenment Foundation Libraries... or something like that.
[00:41] <DanaG> Good for NV17, which is lé suck.
[00:42] <amalthea> hello, i have problems with onboard nvidia. are there something known? i have a geforce 6100 nforce 405 chipset. after boot there is not the language choice and choice to install or use livecd. it came a windows (anfter some crashes of x i mean) that shows... configure xserver (dont work), use terminal or safe graphic-mode. when i use the safe-mode the livecd directly boot. are there any problems known like this? would it be fixed until release? i 
[00:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Is there an easy way to see what packages have been added to a repo since the last release? I moved from 9.04, skipped 9.10, and now Im on 10.04 beta2. Im curious to see what apps are new to choose from.
[00:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Beside surfing through the whole list
[00:43] <AutoBot> LinuxGuy2009: added or updated?
[00:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Added
[00:44] <ChrisiPK> Viper1432, just in case you're still here...i managed to load the nvidia-current drivers, but the issue still persists...i'm not really sure this is related to the nvidia drivers at all
[00:45] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: what issue are you having?
[00:45] <ChrisiPK> gnome restarts after i enter my password
[00:46] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: from a fresh install?
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> nope, upgrade from karmic
[00:46] <yofel> where do you enter the password? login screen?
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> yes
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> i get the list with the accounts, click my account and enter my pass
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> and then i restarts
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> and takes me back to the list
[00:46] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: gdm restarts or X
[00:47] <ChrisiPK> dunno...how do i know the difference?
[00:47] <nomnex>  can someone help with the lucid ambience radiance them in the lucid beta2? what do I need to change the round icon to the simple windows icons (e.g. Dust theme)
[00:47] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm really starting to wonder if anyone is working on the resource usage problem by policykit
[00:47] <yofel> ChrisiPK: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old tell you something after it crashes?
[00:47] <jdsbluedevl> bug number 426556
[00:47] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: by checking the X log I guess
[00:47] <yofel> bug 426556
[00:47] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: System->prefs->appearance?
[00:48] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: theme tab?
[00:48] <jdsbluedevl> I mean, none of the developers are answering my cries, no one cares on the forums, and no one is sure caring here the past few days
[00:48] <DanaG> hmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/547124
[00:48] <DanaG> arfghjkl
[00:48] <DanaG> or rather,
[00:48] <jdsbluedevl> in other words, I think I'm starting to get fed up
[00:48] <DanaG> AAARfghkl
[00:49] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: I would imagine you have already reported your found issue?
[00:49] <jdsbluedevl> yes, bug 426556
[00:49] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, to have the widnows control Dust icons (called simple) and only these 3 controls in the theme Radiance/Ambiance?
[00:50] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: All you can really do is sit back and wait. If the bug is not critical or does not effect many users then I would imagine it will take time.
[00:50] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: Im sorry I dont clearly understand you.
[00:50] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, yofel i have no idea, what should be in Xorg.0.log.old, so here's the entire thing: http://nopaste.php-q.net/278270
[00:50] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: can you at least set the bug as affecting you if you didn't do that yet and set the status to confirmed?
[00:50] <jdsbluedevl> LinuxGuy2009: how is a bug that sucks up so much CPU not critical?  That's what's really bugging me about the developers' priorities
[00:50] <AutoBot> LinuxGuy2009: well you can continue to search for a patch, but other then that your right
[00:50] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: how do I set it to confirmed?
[00:51] <yofel> ChrisiPK: thanks, looking
[00:51] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: login and click on the button besides 'New' and select 'Confirmed'
[00:51] <DanaG> weird, policykit is being fine for me.
[00:51] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: me as well
[00:51] <ChrisiPK> thanks
[00:51] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: Bug status is invalid.
[00:52] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, it's me, sorry about the English. I want to change in Radiance/Ambiance theme the window controls (the closle/min/max). I don't like the OSX design of the button. I want to replace them by the simple buttons (as they are in the Dust theme by example). Does it make sense?
[00:52] <jdsbluedevl> LinuxGuy2009: bug status on one of the packages is invalid, but not the bug
[00:52] <DanaG> oh eyah, you can just go to "advanced" and change the window border theme.
[00:53] <jdsbluedevl> ok, moved status on PolicyKit from "new" to "confirmed"
[00:53] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: it must be gdm crashing
[00:54] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: gconf-editor edit is needed to change the control layout.
[00:54] <ChrisiPK> so what log do i look at?
[00:54] <jdsbluedevl> does clicking on "nominate for release" nominate it for critical status?
[00:54] <jdsbluedevl> what bugs the hell out of me is that this bug has been unresolved since 9/6/2009
[00:54] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[00:54] <ZykoticK9> !controls | nomnex
[00:55] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: Try that
[00:55] <jdsbluedevl> and frankly, I'm getting sick of the non-response
[00:55] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I'm not sure where gdm logging is stored
[00:55] <DanaG> argh, soft-reboot with nouveau gives me a screen full of garbage, and an unreadable grub.
[00:55] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot,  /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log
[00:55] <ChrisiPK> i suppose...
[00:55] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: Thats what happens when your a tester. Have to be patient and put up with bugs and issues until fixed.
[00:55] <DanaG> It even tramples on the BIOS splash!
[00:56] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: that seems likely :P
[00:56] <yofel> ChrisiPK: do you have any files in /var/crash/ ?
[00:56] <ChrisiPK> yofel, yes, four...one of them has "gnome-settings-daemon" in the file name
[00:56] <jdsbluedevl> LinuxGuy2009: I expected that when the PulseAudio thing happened in Karmic beta.  It persisted through today.  That's why I'm getting angry
[00:56] <DanaG> It also shows old contents of video RAM (such as plymouth).
[00:56] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: "menu:maximize,minimize,close" is the old layout so you know.
[00:57] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, gconf-editor let's me change the layout, not the icons. How to I change the round icons to the simple icons in both radiance/ambiance?
[00:57] <jdsbluedevl> the fact that I have to re-set the alsamixer every single time I boot up my computer has me jaded
[00:58] <jdsbluedevl> oh sure, I put in a hack so that it starts up at 85% each time on Master and PCM, but that isn't fixing it
[00:58] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: customize in appearance window. Can change the window control theme.
[00:58] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: window border
[00:58] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log http://nopaste.php-q.net/278271
[00:58] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: checking
[00:58] <ChrisiPK> thx
[00:59] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: If you need stability and a rock solid release then perhaps 8.04.4 LTS until new LTS is finished?
[00:59] <yofel> ChrisiPK: does 'dmesg | grep segfault' give you something?
[01:00] <ChrisiPK> nope yofel
[01:00] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: are you using german localazation?
[01:00] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, yes
[01:00] <yofel> ok, then nothing crashes that apport could catch
[01:00] <yofel> hm...
[01:00] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: just making sure
[01:00] <ChrisiPK> do you need me to translate that?
[01:00] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: you may need to run strace on gdm
[01:01] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, I know that, but I don't want to change the window border, only the icons (that's all) and keep the default themes. I don't know about themes, is there a theme editor?
[01:01] <ChrisiPK> uh okay...if you tell me how to do that
[01:01] <AutoBot> strace gdm
[01:01] <ChrisiPK> just like that on tty1?
[01:01] <yofel> ChrisiPK, AutoBot: wait
[01:01] <AutoBot> yofel: ok
[01:01]  * ChrisiPK waits
[01:01]  * AutoBot takes a shot
[01:02] <yofel> gdm is a service, he should rather start it and then attach strace to gdm with 'strace -p PID'
[01:02] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: If you want to use all of Ambience/Radiance except for the window control icons, then you need to go to customize and choose the window border for dust etc. Dont like it then your out of luck.
[01:02] <AutoBot> yofel: ok didn't know that
[01:02] <yofel> 'ps -e | grep gdm' should show the PID of gdm
[01:03] <ChrisiPK> yofel, what pid do i want? gdm-binary?
[01:03] <yofel> ChrisiPK: actually not sure, I use kdm here so I can't check
[01:03] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, I see, well thanks (and I am out of luck)
[01:03] <yofel> ChrisiPK: try what you find
[01:04] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: gdm-binary would be right I believe
[01:04] <ChrisiPK> okay
[01:05] <ChrisiPK> so now what? i try to login again?
[01:06] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: let me see the results
[01:06] <yofel> yes, then go back and see what was the last it did before it crashed
[01:06] <ChrisiPK> oh geee that's a looooot of stuff
[01:06] <ChrisiPK> i should probably have put that into a file....
[01:06] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: pipe it
[01:07] <ChrisiPK> uhm...is that right, that the PID doesn't change after it restarts?
[01:08] <AutoBot> not sure, usually the PID does change
[01:08] <ChrisiPK> that's what i was thinking...
[01:08] <ChrisiPK> anyway, will try again, this time into a file
[01:08] <AutoBot> ok
[01:09] <yofel> ChrisiPK: to log it to a file run it with "2>/path/to/logfile"
[01:09] <LinuxGuy2009> What is mean in software center by "Featured Applications"?
[01:09] <LinuxGuy2009> meant*
[01:09] <ChrisiPK> is that 2 accidental or do i need that?
[01:09] <yofel> ChrisiPK: you need it
[01:09] <ChrisiPK> ok will do
[01:10] <yofel> strace prints everything to stderr not stdout (please don't ask me why, I don't know)
[01:11] <DanaG> it does that in case you want to pipe the normal stdout to somewhere... you can then still strace.
[01:11] <yofel> ah, that makes sense
[01:11] <DanaG> oh yeah, and if you go thingy >& file
[01:11] <DanaG> it will redirect both stderr and stdout to there.
[01:11] <AutoBot> DanaG: nice3
[01:12] <ChrisiPK> oh wow, that is a 22 megabyte file
[01:12] <yofel> huuuh, didn't know that one yet, I usually used '>fiile 2>&1'
[01:12] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: should have put a tail on it also
[01:13] <ChrisiPK> how much of the output do you need?
[01:13] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: maybe the last 50 lines
[01:14] <ChrisiPK> actuallly that doesn't really look very interesting...
[01:14] <ChrisiPK> http://nopaste.php-q.net/278273
[01:15] <ChrisiPK> i suppose that is not the right pid
[01:15] <yofel> o.O
[01:15] <ChrisiPK> i'll try with gdm-greeter
[01:15] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: maybe it isn't let me look and see what you got
[01:16] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: yes thats no good, what were looking for is what is causing gdm to die
[01:16] <ChrisiPK> yea, i'll try with the pid of /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-simple-greeter
[01:16] <ChrisiPK> that one seems to have been restarted
[01:16] <yofel> now we need to find out what crashes, if the pid doesn't change then gdm-binary at least doesn't crash
[01:17] <ChrisiPK> along with /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-session-worker
[01:17] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: like it calls this .so and that .so then crash
[01:17] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:17] <ChrisiPK> will try with greeter
[01:18] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I'm in windows or I would be able to tell you which process to run the strace on
[01:18] <ChrisiPK> well, those are the only two with a higher PID
[01:18] <ChrisiPK> so i suppose those are the ones that crashed
[01:18] <hackeron> hey, any ideas about this? < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/557566
[01:19] <AutoBot> I wonder why it's not making it into a crash log
[01:20] <ChrisiPK> http://nopaste.php-q.net/278275
[01:20] <AutoBot> looking
[01:21] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: between that paste and the first one it seems as if some files may be missing
[01:23] <ChrisiPK> what files?
[01:24] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I'm not sure, it also mentions something that seems relevant to Bug #539440
[01:25] <ChrisiPK> so you're saying i should try again once that bug has been resolved?
[01:26] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:26] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: no that bug is i386 and your x86_64 ?
[01:26] <ChrisiPK> yes
[01:28] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:28] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: and what is your video driver?
[01:28] <ChrisiPK> nvidia
[01:28] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: ok thought so
[01:28] <ChrisiPK> i installed the nvidia-current package
[01:28] <ChrisiPK> and it is loaded
[01:28] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: it is related to that bug then
[01:29] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:29] <ChrisiPK> well, i removed that package and the problem persisted....
[01:30] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:30] <AutoBot> bug #553200
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, i saw that bug, but that is different: i can select a user without a problem
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> i can even enter the password
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> and it even checks the password
[01:31] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:31] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I was reading that for myself
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> sry
[01:32] <yofel> nishanth: we heard you, please don't post the same question over and over
[01:32] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: but for your issue
[01:32] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: it seems your going to have to not use gdm for now
[01:32] <ChrisiPK> i see
[01:32] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: or don't use the nvidia drivers
[01:32] <ChrisiPK> that doesn't fix the issue
[01:33] <AutoBot> really
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> well, as i said, i removed the nvidia-current package
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> and all other nvidia packages i could find
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> what more can i do to not use the drivers?
[01:33] <yofel> then try another desktop manager for now, that way we'll see if it's gdm or something else during gnome login
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> kde works fine
[01:34] <ChrisiPK> but it uses the same login
[01:34] <yofel> ChrisiPK: if you removed the package then you shouldn't be using nvidia (actually try lsmod | grep nvidia to check)
[01:35] <yofel> hm, odd, but if you have kde installed anyway, can you try it with kdm?
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> i removed kde
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> because instead of gnome, it started kde
[01:35] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: could you log into gnome through kdm?
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> and i was wondering whether it would start gdm when i removed kde
[01:35] <yofel> you should be able to select that...
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> so i removed kde and got the current issue...
[01:36] <ChrisiPK> so what do i do now? install kde oder remove nvidia-current?
[01:36] <yofel> ChrisiPK: well, try to at least install kdm again and try to login to gnome from there
[01:37] <ChrisiPK> ok it asks me whether i want to use gdm oder kdm...what do i select?
[01:37] <yofel> kdm
[01:37] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:37] <ChrisiPK> last time i selected gdm
[01:38] <ChrisiPK> which gave me the gnome greeter screen
[01:38] <ChrisiPK> but after login, it started kde
[01:38] <yofel> once it's finished, use 'sudo stop gdm && sudo start kdm'
[01:38] <yofel> ChrisiPK: as I said, you should be able to select gnome/KDE at the gdm screen
[01:38] <ChrisiPK> i didn't find that option
[01:38] <yofel> or they messed so much with gdm since I stopped using it that I'm wrong
[01:39] <ChrisiPK> yes, i remember that you could pick that in earlier version
[01:39] <ChrisiPK> s
[01:39] <ChrisiPK> but i'm not sure whether you still can
[01:40] <ChrisiPK> ok, i'm lookin at the kde login right now
[01:41] <ChrisiPK> what do i do?
[01:42] <yofel> sec
[01:43] <yofel> ChrisiPK: use the blue arrow to select the session and then use username and pw to login
[01:43] <ChrisiPK> the blue arrow allows me to select from "standard, KDE, guest-restricted, xterm, abgesichert"
[01:44] <ChrisiPK> last one is german for "safe mode"
[01:44] <ChrisiPK> but nothing about gdm
[01:44] <RussellAlan> i am on a dv9000 pavilion i saw the driver updates for my wireless card, now i dont know where to redownload them
[01:44] <RussellAlan> can someone help
[01:44] <yofel> ChrisiPK: then you might have removed some part of gnome... try to remove ubuntu-desktop and install it again (not reinstall)
[01:45] <ChrisiPK> gnaaah now it tells me it cannot start ksmserver
[01:45] <ChrisiPK> _that_ is a problem with nvidia
[01:45] <yofel> ChrisiPK: and I'm german so don't worry about it (wan't to join us in #ubuntu-de+1? jedoch nicht viel los um die uhrzeit)
[01:46] <ChrisiPK> well, if AutoBot is gone, i don't see why not
[01:46] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I am back
[01:46] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:46] <yofel> ChrisiPK: anyway, tried to install ubuntu-desktop?
[01:47] <AutoBot> quick eater
[01:47] <ChrisiPK> at it right now
[01:47] <RussellAlan> When I did the download from karmic koala to lucid lynx, I saw option to install drivers for my wireless card in this HP Pavilion dv9000, can someone direct me back to the screen where I can install them?
[01:47] <RussellAlan> Please
[01:47] <ChrisiPK> ah i didn't have it installed anyway
[01:47] <ChrisiPK> i suppose i removed that when i removed the soungs
[01:48] <ChrisiPK> *sounds
[01:48] <ChrisiPK> anyway, installing right now
[01:49] <yofel> RussellAlan: not sure what you mean, we have the Hardware Drivers application for proprietary drivers
[01:49] <RussellAlan> yofel: Well I still cant connect with a wireless settings setup priper
[01:49] <Blue11> anyone having problems running wine under lucid?
[01:50] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: what are you installing currently
[01:50] <ChrisiPK> ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <AutoBot> that was what I was going to suggest as a last resort
[01:51] <jrendas> does anyone know if when I delete one file using "sudo rm file" it can be recovered?
[01:51] <AutoBot> jrendas: not by any normal methods
[01:51] <DanaG> weird... netbook-launcher's icon labels change from 2-line labels to 1-line labels on hover.
[01:51] <ChrisiPK> jrendas, google for it, that's a fairly regular question
[01:52] <DanaG> Now, if only I could get those stupid toshiba hotkeys to work...
[01:52] <AutoBot> jrendas: I'm sure there are applications to help recover files, like in windows
[01:53] <AutoBot> jrendas: I just don't know of any offhand
[01:53] <jrendas> yes, I tried ntfsundelete
[01:53] <jrendas> but with no results
[01:53] <AutoBot> jrendas: on a ntfs
[01:53] <AutoBot> jrendas: drive
[01:54] <jrendas> its my windows drive (C:) and i deleted it using ubuntu
[01:54] <AutoBot> jrendas: you may be better off using a windows based tool if at all possible
[01:54] <jrendas> i tried that already
[01:54] <ChrisiPK> aaah it's running :)
[01:54] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: ahhhhhh
[01:54] <ChrisiPK> i wonder whether i should dare to try and reinstall the themes....
[01:54] <yofel> so something was missing after all
[01:55] <gatlin> with beta2 on amd64 nforce chipset, boot hung for a long time.  So I disabled the splash screen and this is what came up:
[01:55] <gatlin> http://bayimg.com/Halkpaacn (safe, promise)
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> probably...dunno
[01:55] <AutoBot> yofel: thats what I thought
[01:55] <yofel> ChrisiPK: what themes?
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> didn't remove any gnome stuff
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> yofel, the bug report about the related problem suggested that this could be bypassed by removing the gnome themes
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> i tried that
[01:55] <gatlin> and then those last 2 lines repeat forever
[01:56] <yofel> hm, can't help there as I don't use gnome
[01:56] <ChrisiPK> ah what the hell, i'll try ;)
[01:56] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I read that also
[01:56] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I would, nothing better than breaking something you just fixed :)
[01:57] <ChrisiPK> yup ^^
[02:02] <ChrisiPK> huh still works :)
[02:02] <ChrisiPK> great, thanks for your help
[02:03] <gatlin> has anyone else had any boot errors?
[02:05] <yofel> gatlin: for some reason it repeatedly tries to access the floppy drive
[02:05] <gatlin> is that what fd0 means?
[02:05]  * gatlin learns something
[02:06] <gatlin> I suppose I should disable that in the bios, though this was something that started happening between alpha3 and beta1
[02:06] <yofel> gatlin: I'm not sure if that will help, but you could try to add '--no-floppy' to the kernel line
[02:06] <gatlin> thank you, I think I might
[02:10] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: gdm with themes is working now?
[02:10] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I was away
[02:10] <DanaG> argh, stupid toshiba proprietary acpi hotkeys.
[02:10] <AutoBot> DanaG: not as bad as Dell ;)
[02:10] <DanaG> Are you sure?
[02:11] <DanaG> Right now the hotkeys on this old toshiba laptop don't work at all.
[02:11] <DanaG> They send acpi events, not keycodes.
[02:11] <AutoBot> DanaG: I've had both, it's the same really
[02:11] <DanaG> And the display-switch hotkey instead just kills nouveau (white screen).
[02:11] <AutoBot> DanaG: same functionality not same method necessarily
[02:11] <mazda01> trying to find out how to disable some startup services in lucid now that it changes to service versus init.d. any help?
[02:12] <AutoBot> mazda01: it's in the Administration menu
[02:12] <AutoBot> Startup Items
[02:12] <AutoBot> or something like that
[02:13] <mazda01> don't have a gui, thanks anyway though.
[02:13] <AutoBot> mazda01: oh
[02:13] <White-Horse> hi guys
[02:13] <AutoBot> mazda01: I'm an init.d man for cli so I don't know either
[02:13] <White-Horse> does anyone here know if 10.04 will support wireless N ?
[02:14] <AutoBot> hello
[02:14] <AutoBot> White-Horse: why wouldn't it?
[02:14] <mazda01> AutoBot: well, maybe init.d will still work.  what would I enter using init.d
[02:14] <White-Horse> cause 9.10 does not
[02:14] <DanaG> AutoBot: normally, I expect a hotkey to send a key event, not slaughter the video driver.
[02:14] <AutoBot> DanaG: I agree, thats is not the correct way to function
[02:15] <AutoBot> White-Horse: what wlan card?
[02:15] <White-Horse> Intel PRO 5100 ABGN
[02:15] <AutoBot> mazda01: /etc/init.d/something start
[02:15] <yofel> mazda01: some scripts still use sysvinit scripts, those can be configured like always, upstart isn't quite configurable yet...
[02:15] <DanaG> 2.6.34-rc1 kernel has a newer toshiba_acpi that actually sends keycodes... though it's missing a few of them.
[02:15] <AutoBot> mazda01: service start something?
[02:16] <AutoBot> DanaG: can't you make it send what you want in some way?
[02:16] <yofel> mazda01: you want to remove them from auto-starting on boot?
[02:16] <AutoBot> rename the S to K or is it the other way round'
[02:16] <mazda01> AutoBot: im not talking about stopping or starting it. i am talking about permanently stopping it from starting.
[02:17] <yofel> mazda01: for sysvinit (init.d) scripts, see in /etc/rc2.d/
[02:18] <mazda01> yofel: isn;'t there some command to remove a startup script from all run levels?
[02:18] <yofel> there is, update-rc.d I think
[02:18] <cyberanger> anyone here having kernel issues? a few people are having a kernel issue 2.6.32-20
[02:19] <yofel> mazda01: for upstarts scripts in /etc/init I fear you'll have to edit the start on statements in the configuration files by hand if you don't want it to auto-start
[02:19] <AutoBot> I thought 2.6.32.18 or 19 was current
[02:19] <cyberanger> 20 just hit the repos today
[02:19] <AutoBot> . = -
[02:20] <cyberanger> 19 had been out
[02:20] <AutoBot> I still have 19, no problems so far with it
[02:20] <cyberanger> not sure how long, but I'm using that one now, installed 20, no go
[02:20] <DanaG> on this old laptop, ubuntu-netbook would be way better than winxp... if not for Toshiba's stupidity.
[02:20] <cyberanger> I'm not alone on that either
[02:20] <yofel> mazda01: read up on  bug 94065 maybe
[02:21] <mazda01> yofel: the command  is sudo update-rc.d lirc disable  that disables the scrtip but leaves it for future use.
[02:21] <AutoBot> DanaG: I love old hardware, but sometimes it's more trouble then it's worth
[02:23] <emma> when is the release of lucid?
[02:24] <yofel> !schedule | emma
[02:24] <DanaG> great, the only kernel it's usable with is 2.6.34-rc1... and that demands xorg-edgers.
[02:29] <AutoBot_> did I timeout
[02:29] <AutoBot_> ahhh
[02:30] <myrl> do you like the purple boot screen?
[02:31] <bjsnider> anybody who wants bleeding edge vlc/vaapi/ffmpeg for lucid give it a shot: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/cutting-edge-multimedia
[02:32] <White-Horse> here is my output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/412863/
[02:33] <tristan__> will wireless for an asus eeepc 1001p be supported in lucid?
[02:34] <White-Horse> wireless G yes
[02:34] <myrl> do you like the purple boot screen?
[02:34] <White-Horse> not sure about wireless N
[02:34] <AutoBot_> bjsnider: is that cutting edge or semi-tested
[02:35] <White-Horse> has anyone looked at this yet ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/412863/
[02:35] <bjsnider> AutoBot_, works well here
[02:38] <White-Horse> emma last i heard it will be April 29th, 2010.
[02:41] <AutoBot_> bjsnider: thanks, I was looking for vlc that will do :)
[02:43] <mazda01> how do i see all processes that are actually taking up memory? when I look at top, i see a whole bunch of stuff that isn;'t even using memry
[02:45] <AutoBot_> mazda01: ps -a
[02:46] <AutoBot_> ps -aux
[02:58] <mazda01> trying to get it so that all i have is a command line login, no gdm or wdm, i also don;t want plymouth to start. how to do this in lucid?
[02:59] <chris4585> mazda01, well you can either disable gdm or uninstall it
[03:00] <mazda01> ok, disabled wdm. what about plymouth? i have a process running called plymouthd
[03:00] <mazda01> i tried to disable it with sudp update-rc.d plymouthd disable, but it doesn't contain a startup script in init.d
[03:00] <chris4585> I don't know about disabling plymouth.
[03:02] <yofel> mazda01: you can remove the 'splash' option from grub, but if you want to completely disable it fiddle around with the init script
[03:02] <DanaG> I can't, in good conscience, set up Ubuntu on this old Toshiba, for somebody who lives way across the country.
[03:02] <DanaG> Too much stuff broken by Toshiba's stupidity / proprietary-ness.
[03:03] <mazda01> yofel: i just got done saying, there is no init script for plymouth. not in my lucid
[03:03] <yofel> mazda01: plymouth doesn't use sysvinit but upstart, edit the start on statement in /etc/init/plymouth.conf (I think, there are several plymouth files)
[03:13] <mawst> What's the beta 2 version of KDE?
[03:13] <mawst> I just installed k3b and it looks nice, makes me want to give it a shot again.
[03:13] <nhaines> 4.4?
[03:14] <yofel> 4.4.2
[03:23] <mazda01> yofel: are you serious? how do i know what to change?
[03:30] <yofel> mazda01: did you check the bug I told you about earlier? upstart isn't that easy to configure at the moment, so if you're unsure, just remove the splash option from grub
[03:30] <mazda01> yofel: did that for now. thanks
[03:31] <yofel> mazda01: actually, just commenting the 'start on' lines out should disable an upstart script
[03:38] <Micc> time to upgrade my desktop now.
[03:41] <Micc> I couldn't upgrade my laptop. I had to reinstall.
[03:44] <woodyjlw> ubuntu 10.4 is awesome!  it is better and faster than any other ubuntu so far.  and it finally fixed my amd ati laptop wake and suspend problems....very excited so far
[03:44] <TommyThaGun> woodyjlw, I agree
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> they still haven't fixed the mocrophone problem with my laptop though
[03:45] <Berzerker> ok this is really irritating me
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> ?
[03:45] <Berzerker> bash: /home/andrew/Documents/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/adb: No such file or directory
[03:45] <Berzerker> I'm looking at the file right now
[03:45] <Berzerker> it's in that exact path
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[03:47] <woodyjlw> only problem I have had is with wicd
[03:48] <woodyjlw> but I am sure it will be fixed in future or by release date of 10.04
[03:48] <Berzerker> maybe I'm doing my path wrong
[03:48] <Berzerker> export PATH=${PATH}:/home/andrew/Documents/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/:.
[03:48] <Berzerker> no?
[03:48] <chris4585> Berzerker, what kind of file is it? when you load a file in a program usually its in a buffered state, so its possibly to delete a file when you're using it
[03:49] <Berzerker> chris4585: uhm...I've added it to paths before...
[03:51] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to set up the indicator applet? to maybe add my prefered mail client
[04:22] <Ninja_> Are the buttons in Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 going to be on the left permanently? (For Final Version and future releases?
[04:23] <chris4585> Ninja_, probably
[04:23] <Ninja_> Ok thanks.
[04:23] <chris4585> you can change the placement though pretty easily
[04:23] <Berzerker> chris4585: any idea on my adb problem? it's not something that get deleted when used
[04:23] <astro73|tod> You know how when you try to fix something and you only make it worse?
[04:23] <chris4585> Berzerker, sorry I really have no idea
[04:24] <astro73|tod> I now need more help than I originally filed a bug for (LP#560506)
[04:25] <astro73|tod> I can't get any bootable media I have to run on my system. Not lucid, not UNR. Not chromium os.
[04:26] <astro73|tod> None of them work
[04:26] <MikeChelen> check the bios options
[04:29] <astro73|tod> I did. That's how I broke it in the first place. Restoring it doesn't fix it.
[04:31] <nhaines> astro73|tod: What exactly did you check?
[04:32] <astro73|tod> the video setting
[04:32] <astro73|tod> auto, internal, PCIe, PCI
[04:32] <astro73|tod> before, it only worked if you selected internal (my card is PCIe)
[04:32] <astro73|tod> and by "before", I mean since I built the system close to 3yrs ago
[04:34] <astro73|tod> but after changing it (as per comment #25 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/560506), I can't get it working
[04:34] <astro73|tod> restoring the old setting doesn't work
[04:39] <Blue11> anyone know how to install java for windows (windows firefox) under wine - I get "uncompression of download file failed" error
[04:42] <qwertyjustin> other users logged into their own user account can still access my home files, im on ubuntu 9.10
[04:43] <qwertyjustin> how do i stop this?
[04:43] <mawst> I have a weird issue.... I have a wireless network and a wired network. When I enable the wired one I can't view websites... is there a way to tell the system to use one for networking and the other for inet?
[04:43] <nhaines> qwertyjustin: this channel is for support for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.  You may find better support in #ubuntu
[04:43] <nhaines> But what I would do is check the directory permissions for your home directory.
[04:44] <nhaines> mawst: both your LAN and Internet connections are "networking".  There's no difference to the system.
[04:44] <mawst> Well I hope you catch my drift at any rate,.
[04:44] <mawst> :D
[04:44] <nhaines> You'd have to modify your routing tables if you wanted to force traffic to one interface or the other.
[04:45] <nhaines> Yeah, it's important to understand they're both IPv4 networks as far as your computer's concerned.  Not as important while asking us though.  :)
[04:46] <mawst> can't I just set a system wide df gw
[04:47] <mawst> oh duh
[04:47] <mawst> I just found the problem.
[04:47] <Blue11> got it!  go to here http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and grab the offline version and install that
[04:47] <mawst> HEH
[04:56] <astro73|tod> I don't suppose anyone else has fixed their nvidia issues, have they?
[04:57] <chris4585> astro73|tod, what kind of nvidia issues?
[04:57] <astro73|tod> The kind where you don't have OpenGL, go and try to fix it, and end up with a system that refuses to run linux
[04:58] <astro73|tod> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/560506?comments=all
[04:58] <steen444> im going to install ubuntu for my parents, they just use thunderbird + firefox   ...  would it be better to install 10.04 Beta 2 then upgrade to final, or just go for 9.10 then upgrade to 10.04 final when it comes out?
[04:59] <bjsnider> there can't be any such nvidia issue
[04:59] <bjsnider> it's impossible. all we're doing is packaging pre-build libs and building an unpatched kernel module. it's completely out of our hands
[05:00] <astro73|tod> so should I call up nvidia tech support?
[05:00] <astro73|tod> or Intel's tech support? (it's their motherboard)
[05:01] <Zenker> how do i silence that music that plays when this os starts up?
[05:01] <chris4585> astro73|tod, in your bios boot menu, is anything selected to boot?
[05:01] <bjsnider> astro73|tod, your hardware could somehow be broken i suppose
[05:01] <astro73|tod> yes
[05:02] <chris4585> astro73|tod, that was the problem right?
[05:02] <astro73|tod> except it was working when I initially filed the bug
[05:02] <astro73|tod> and it's been working since I bought it
[05:02] <astro73|tod> I was even running compiz before I upgraded
[05:03] <astro73|tod> if I was going to place hardware blame, it would probably be on the motherboard
[05:03] <Guest001> steen444: Do not use Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 nor 9.10, there are many issues . If u like to use I suggest use ArchLinux, Fedora, Suse very flexible than ubuntu . In 9.10 and 10.04, bug problem is Internal mircrophone , sound, no voice or video chat
[05:05] <steen444> Guest001: they're pretty simple users, just firefox and thunderbird :)
[05:05] <astro73|tod> steen444: I would advise you using 9.10. Hardware issues vary widely, but I think for the most part it works
[05:06] <steen444> astro73|tod: ok, ill go with 9.10 thanks
[05:06] <Guest001> steen444: My recommendation suggestion is Windows or Mac
[05:06] <tritium> Guest001: you must be having some issues specific to your hardware, as all those things you list work, in general.
[05:07] <Guest001> astro73|tod:Ubuntu 9.10 10.04 are not reliable, many bugs
[05:07] <steen444> Guest001: thanks mate, are used to ubuntu already though
[05:08] <tritium> Guest001: do you need assistance with 10.04?
[05:08] <astro73|tod> Guest001: If you're not here for support, shut up and clear off.
[05:08] <Guest001> tritium: Yes I need assistance 10.04
[05:08] <tritium> Guest001: then ask for it, rather than simply recommend against using it.
[05:08] <Guest001>  tritium: If u can help me on internal microphone or sound recorder issue
[05:09] <tritium> What hardware?
[05:09] <Guest001> tritium: This is a simple ...
[05:09] <tritium> A simple what?
[05:09] <Guest001> DELL Hardware
[05:09] <Guest001> Simple because it is Sound Recorder
[05:10] <chris4585> astro73|tod, hrm so you have an onboard video card and an independent video card?
[05:10] <steen444> geez...
[05:10] <Guest001> but facing many issues. (.04 wasgood but when it comes sound architecture to pulseaudio, hen it faces many problem
[05:11] <Guest001>  but facing many issues. (9.04 was good but when it comes sound architecture to pulseaudio, hen it faces many problem
[05:11] <Zenker> how do i disable the start up music?
[05:12] <astro73|tod> chris4585: yes. The onboard video is an intel integrated memory controller/video accelerator
[05:12] <chris4585> Zenker, in the System menu > preferences > startup > uncheck login sound
[05:12] <tritium> Guest001: please don't /query.  State the specifics of your issue.  Otherwise, if you're just another archlinux troll, I can help you /part the channel.
[05:12] <astro73|tod> the video card is a PCIe Geforce ... something
[05:12] <liamsan2> Hello, I recently upgraded ubuntu to  lucid and upon upgrading the tray icons for pidgin are blank, i tried replacing the files in /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin but it doesn't work
[05:13] <Peddy> a
[05:13] <chris4585> astro73|tod, have you tried switching in the bios to use the PCIe card?
[05:13] <KB1JWQ> tritium: \o/
[05:13] <owen1> the video-out key is not working anymore (xev showing it but i don't see the screen on the TV). anyone else have this issue? where can i report it?
[05:13] <voss749> astro, pcie geforce something.... 6, 7, 8 ,9 ?
[05:14] <astro73|tod> yes. That's proved problematic since I bought the card. When I change BIOS to PCIe, the kernel fails to load
[05:14] <Peddy> Hello, I want to upgrade from Karmic to Lucid using the alternate install CD, but in cdromupgrade, it downloads additional updates from the internet, even when I tell it not to. Is there a workaround for this?
[05:14] <astro73|tod> voss749: 8, i think. It's hard to check since the system refuses to boot currently
[05:14] <Zenker> chris4585 thank you
[05:15] <voss749> astro, You might just have a bad video card
[05:15] <astro73|tod> there's more details in the files I posted in LP#560506
[05:15] <chris4585> Zenker, no problem
[05:15] <voss749> Astro, what brand of video card is it?
[05:15] <Zenker> it seemed not a logical place to find such an option ;)
[05:17] <astro73|tod> XFX GeForce 8600GT. (I just pulled the video card out)
[05:18] <voss749> What version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:18] <voss749> Sorry dumb question
[05:18] <bjsnider> i didn't think there was  such a thing as an 8600gt
[05:18] <astro73|tod> 10.04, but it's had that problem since I bought the card a few years back
[05:18] <astro73|tod> (this is #ubuntu+1)
[05:19] <owen1> where to submit bugs for 10.4?
[05:19] <voss749> astro, does the motherboard have on-board video?
[05:19] <astro73|tod> That's what it says on the label. You want a picture?
[05:19] <astro73|tod> yes. Intel. I don't know what it is off-hand
[05:20] <voss749> Of course there is an 8600gt
[05:20] <astro73|tod> and I can't exactly pull that out to look
[05:20] <astro73|tod> the mobo is an Intel DG965RY
[05:21] <astro73|tod> so I'm guessing the video is a G965, in a GM965
[05:21] <Guest001> tritium: Here is the issue - internal microphone, speakers and Headphones are detected properly. I can play music and video sound but not recording.when i do a record, sliding level moves but when I playblack, no sound.
[05:21] <voss749> astro, You might try booting up under motherboard video then installing the 1.95 nvidia drivers and then reinstalling the nvidia card.
[05:21] <astro73|tod> (it's actually on the same chip as the memory controller)
[05:22] <tritium> Guest001: pulseaudio is not new to 10.04.  Have you tried reading any of the following?
[05:22] <tritium> !sound
[05:22] <voss749> I had some glitchy stuff happen when I tried to upgrade my quad core system with an 9800 card.
[05:22] <Guest001> tritium: Sound Input is Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[05:22] <astro73|tod> voss, you mean reinstall? I just installed lucid. We're talking about software changes over hours
[05:23] <voss749> astro, no I mean physically reinstall the card
[05:23] <bjsnider> astro73|tod, what was the result when you first installed lucid and activated nvidia-current?
[05:23] <Guest001> tritium: Yes I read about pulseaudio
[05:24] <voss749> my problem is when the nvidia current was first installed it didnt work so uninstalled and reinstalled the driver
[05:24] <astro73|tod> X worked but I had no OpenGL, as outlined in LP#650605
[05:24] <Guest001> tritium: From 9.10 and 10.04 , You cannot see Microphone on Input tab for Sound Preferences . Microphone has changed to Capture in ALSAMIXER
[05:24] <voss749> I was upgrading from 9.1 to 10.4
[05:25] <bjsnider> sarvatt is probably right that you hadn't actually activated nvidia-current and were using nouveau instead
[05:25] <Guest001> tritium: Let me know if u need any other information
[05:26] <voss749> Nouveau for the lack of a better word...sucks
[05:26] <astro73|tod> voss: it's currently booting, should I reinstall the nvidia driver?
[05:26] <voss749> astro, yeah couldnt hurt
[05:26] <bjsnider> voss749, how do you figure that?
[05:26] <voss749> bj, specific please
[05:27] <tritium> Guest001: beyond reading about pulseaudio, please try the sound troubleshooting
[05:27] <bjsnider> how do you figure that nouveau sucks
[05:27] <astro73|tod> so Xorg was using nouveau despite nvidia being referenced in xorg.conf and jockey saying it was activated?
[05:27] <voss749> Nvidia cards are 3d cards, by definition drivers for 3d cards that do not support 3d...suck
[05:28] <astro73|tod> and nvidia-settings was still happy
[05:28] <bjsnider> not really, no
[05:28] <bjsnider> gl is a small part of a desktop environment
[05:29] <Guest001> tritium: wot you want to try from Sound Troubleshooting. Sound is working fine. I can play music, watch Videos but not Sound Recorder or Voice Call chat via Empathy/Skype
[05:29] <voss749> bj, If all I need is 2d acceleration, motherboard video will work fine for that
[05:30] <bullgard4_> [Ubuntu 9.10] '~$ sudo do-release-upgrade; No new release found.' How should I upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4 Beta 2 now?
[05:30] <astro73|tod> (note to self: clean up packages and cut down on boot time)
[05:30] <voss749> bullgard try sudo update-manager -d
[05:31] <bjsnider> that's a very odd way of looking at things. nouveau does a lot of good things, even some thing like randr 1.2 that the blob doesn't
[05:31] <Blue11> bullgard4_: backup /home/ and /etc/ and then do a fresh install
[05:33] <voss749> bjsnider, you dont get a laptop with an 8200m chipset to do 2d graphics, an intel 845 chipset will do that. You get 8200m chipset so you can play 3d stuff and eventually hard accelerated flash
[05:33] <thebishop> i'm getting a strange flickering on my Laptop display (intel 4500MHD chip).  it looks like a hardware problem, but i don't see it on windows
[05:34] <bjsnider> what 3d stuff?
[05:34] <bullgard4_> Blue11: I have done backup /home and /etc. Why do you suggest a fresh install?
[05:35] <Blue11> bullgard4_: in the end, you'll have less problems.  upgrades have been problematic
[05:35] <voss749> I play eve online with wine
[05:35] <Blue11> voss749: ?
[05:35] <bullgard4_> Blue11: General statements are not helpful.
[05:35] <AK> Guys, anybody has upgraded the latest software update for 10.04 Beta 2 on Kernel 2.6.32-20
[05:35] <voss749> Wine uses open gl
[05:36] <voss749> bullgard did you try update-manager -d?
[05:36] <Blue11> bullgard4_: sorry best I can do.  my experience has shown me, that's it's better to backup/restore then to upgrade things don't always go as planned during an upgrade
[05:36] <bullgard4_> voss749: Thank you very much for your help. --  Yes.
[05:37] <AK> Guys, anybody has upgraded the latest software update for 10.04 Beta 2 on Kernel 2.6.32-20 . Is it safe to do a distribution updates , any issues
[05:37] <Blue11> AK still on .19 here
[05:37] <voss749> blue ive had fewer problems upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 than any other upgrade ive ever done with ubuntu
[05:37] <AK> Bluell: I got now Update manage window
[05:37] <Blue11> voss749: i guess the old adage is true - YMMV (your mileage may vary)
[05:37] <AK> which says new Kernel
[05:37] <AK> 2.6.32-20
[05:38] <Blue11> AK I have not updated today
[05:38] <voss749> blue, so far ive successfully upgraded a desktop, and 2 netbooks
[05:38] <bjsnider> many lucid packages are not far from their karmic versions, like for instance the entire multimedia system. same ffmpeg, same mplayer, same gstreamer, same vlc etc.
[05:38] <astro73|tom> It seems that the webchat is not without it's downsides
[05:38] <astro73|tom> did I miss anything?
[05:39] <voss749> The only thats annoyed me about 10.04 is they didnt bring in the latest version of freeciv, and the whole buttons on the left crap :)
[05:39] <AK> Bluell: New Distribution included latest Kernel, server and pulseaudio
[05:39] <Blue11> voss749: Ymmv -- that has not been my experience - I always backup, fresh install, then restore -- some of the libs get broken and those can be a pain to fix
[05:39] <AK> 43.4 MB files and 30 items
[05:40] <bjsnider> voss749, more power to you for trying to use linux as a gaming platform. it never will be that, and you won't have hardware accelerated flash playback until adobe fires the whiners they have working on the linux plugin
[05:40] <bjsnider> in other words, never
[05:40] <voss749> bjsnider, 10.1 currently in beta has hardware accelerated flash for linux
[05:41] <bjsnider> does it really?
[05:41] <bjsnider> awesome
[05:41] <AK> yes it is awsome
[05:41] <astro73|tom> 10.10 is in beta?
[05:41] <Blue11> yup new kernel avail d/l now
[05:41] <Blue11> astro73|tom: I heard it was still in alpha
[05:41] <astro73|tom> or did you mean 10.04?
[05:42] <voss749> Flash 10.1
[05:42] <astro73|tom> oh
[05:42] <Blue11> astro73|tom: big change in 10.10 - they are going to report file sizes in decimal
[05:42] <AK> Blue11: Installation Process going on...
[05:42] <Blue11> AK same -
[05:43] <voss749> Adobe flash 10.1 supports hardware accleration of flash
[05:43] <astro73|tom> so I see my little video problem has desolved into holy wars
[05:43]  * Blue11 can't wait till flash is dead, jim!
[05:43] <bjsnider> voss749, not for linux it doesn't
[05:43] <voss749> bj, yes it does
[05:43] <bjsnider> no it does not
[05:44] <voss749> The only one it doesnt support is h.264
[05:45] <AK> Blue11: Can u check from your Sound --> Preferences ---> Multimedia System Selectors, what is Default output and input plugin and device selected for audio?
[05:45] <Blue11> AK omw (on my way)
[05:46] <Blue11> AK I have system/preferences/sound but no multimedia thing
[05:47] <AK> You can get multimedia things from Main Menu
[05:47] <AK> Bluell: Your Multimedia things is hide
[05:48] <bjsnider> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2010/01/solving_different_problems.html
[05:48] <Blue11> AK not on my system
[05:48] <bjsnider> mike melanson explains in that deranged rant why linux will never have any kind of accelerated video support
[05:48] <AK> Bluell: Go to system ---> Preferences ---> Main Menu --> then u can see system prefernces
[05:49] <Blue11> AK ahh okay I had never noticed a main menu before hang on
[05:49] <Blue11> AK still no multimedia
[05:50] <AK> Bluell: You can put a check mark, where u can see sound settings for audio and video
[05:50] <voss749> bj, your right
[05:50] <astro73|tom> mount isn't happy if you mention a non-existant filesystem (unionfs) in fstab
[05:50] <Damascene> any one using ubuntu-netbook launcher?
[05:50] <Blue11> AK okay let me schlep a minute
; settings is there check it properly
[05:51] <Blue11> AK got it
[05:51] <Blue11> AK says it's using gstreamer
[05:52] <astro73|tom> ok, i'm reinstalling nvidia and removing nouvou and nv
[05:52] <AK> Blue11: You will see 2 tab Audio and Video
[05:52] <Blue11> okay gonna reboot into .20 brb (hopfully)
[05:52] <Blue11> AK okay let me look
[05:53] <AK> Meanwhile I,m rebooting my system back in .20 seconds
[05:53] <Blue11> I am at System/Preferences/Main Menu/System/Preferences/Multi media System selector
[05:53] <Blue11> me too
[05:58] <voss749> In two-tenths of a second? thats fast! ;-)
[05:58] <astro73|tom> woot! I have a boot screen
[05:59] <voss749> ....and there was much rejoicing...yeah
[06:01] <astro73|tom> except i'm not sure i can convince xorg to use the geforce exclusively
[06:01] <Blue11> voss749: I am on .20
[06:01] <EdgEy> I don't think my monitor wakes up in .2 seconds
[06:01] <EdgEy> :D
[06:02] <Blue11> yeah pulse audio is less hiccuppy
[06:03] <Micc> rebooting after upgrade, cross fingers.
[06:06] <astro73|tom> ok, running w/o xorg.conf doesn't work, restoring it.
[06:06] <astro73|tom> if i'm lucky, i'll be back at square one
[06:06] <astro73|tom> and if i'm very lucky, it'll be mysteriously fixed
[06:07] <Blue11> astro73|tom: I had problems with gconf
[06:07] <Blue11> that might be your problem
[06:07] <astro73|tom> and if murphey is awake, Xorg will refuse to use my geforce
[06:07] <astro73|tom> Blue11: gconf has nothing to do with xorg
[06:07] <Blue11> i nuked .gconf in my home directory, and then logged out/in and things finally worked
[06:07] <Blue11> astro73|tom: no
[06:08] <Blue11> astro73|tom: ahh differnt problem
[06:09] <astro73|tom> mine's kinda well below gconf
[06:09] <astro73|tom> gconf doesn't deal with hardware much, esp not fundamental stuff like video
[06:09] <Micc> On both my desktop and laptop installing nvidia restricted hardware drivers fails.
[06:09] <bullgard4_> "Canonical no longer provides support for the packages bluetooth, ..." Why?
[06:09] <astro73|tom> bullgard4_: they've been superseeded (sp) by other packages
[06:11] <bullgard4_> astro73|tom: What package has superseded the DEB program package 'bluetooth'?
[06:13] <vahe_> quick question guys, trying to install ubuntu 10.04 beta on a seperate hard drive on my windows system. The installer will not see this specific drive (sees the other two). When I run it in Live CD, ubuntu sees this drive and its content. This drive had opensuse installed previously. I had deleted that volume using windows disk management and the ubuntu installer still does not see it
[06:15] <Blue11> vahe_: you may need to create a space with gparted, I don't remember if that's on the livecd or not.
[06:15] <bullgard4_> vahe_: Try first to write something on this drive in question. may be this helps the installer then to recognize this drive.
[06:16] <Blue11> vahe_: I did pretty much the same thing, went from suse on this box, to ubuntu
[06:16] <vahe_> thanks guys, going to attempt that now
[06:17] <Blue11> bullgard4_: good idea - touch is excellent for that
[06:21] <AK> Blue11: Do u have a chance to look into it
[06:22] <AK> Bluell: Could you please check Sound --> Preferences ---> Multimedia System Selectors, what is Default output and input plugin and device selected for audio? from your side
[06:22] <Blue11> AK I could not find it -- I did:  System/Preferences/Main Menu/System/Preferences/Multimedia Systems Selector  there is nothing like what you described there.
[06:22] <AK> Your settings is hide
[06:23] <AK> Please go to System/Preferences/Main Menu
[06:23] <Blue11> AK I am there, Private message ok?
[06:24] <AK> Blue11: OK
[06:24] <Blue11> kewl
[06:25] <Micc> Where do I put the splash gdm images?
[06:26] <emergency> help?
[06:26] <Blue11> emergency: sup?
[06:26] <emergency> i was dual booting win 7 + ubuntu 9.10. then i was upgrading 9.1 to 10.04 when the grub installation near the end got corrupted somehow. now there is a "GRUB error" (considering it's screwy) message after the bios option to where i can't choose to boot up in either win or ubuntu
[06:26] <emergency> i've tried putting my recovery disk for windows back in, but it won't get rid of the screwed up grub settings, and now i'm running off of a spare 9.10 disk which is having trouble installing
[06:26] <emergency> well, i think during the upgrade i chose to replace my current grub settings with the new one which froze during the installation. it would have been wrong any
[06:27] <Blue11> emergency: I am not the grub guy but hopefully someone can assist you.
[06:27] <emergency> hopefully
[06:28] <Blue11> it is precisely those reasons though, why I don't do an upgrade, and a fresh install instead.
[06:28] <vahe_> bullgard4_ and Blue11: Thanks for your help, installation now proceeding
[06:28] <astro73|tom> i guess i'll come back to it tomorrow
[06:29] <emergency> well, regardless i'm relatively new to all this and wasn't sure about which option to pick in regards to the grub settings. i think if i was going from 9.04 -> 9.1 i could have made the same mistake
[06:30] <Blue11> yes. I had problems going from 8.04 to 8.10 and I learned quickly upgrade wasnt the way to go - unfortunately
[06:30] <emergency> well now i feel stupid considering i see "grub loading" 50 times a day and should have kept things how they were
[06:38] <Micc> I can't find where to change the gdm login screen greeting in 10.04
[06:41] <rocket16> Hello all,
[06:41] <mxe5> I have forgotten how to query ubottu for information - and not flood the channel - Anyone ? ?
[06:41] <rocket16> I am downloading Lucid Alternate. Is there any bug in the installer?
[06:42] <rocket16> Also, is Lucid faster than 9.10?
[06:44] <chris4585> rocket16, the bootup is much faster, but that depends on your hardware
[06:44] <AK> rocket16; I agreed with you Lucid is faster than Karmic 9.10. My booting tooks 7 seconds with 2 GB RAM
[06:45] <rocket16> chris4585 AK Ok, thank you. But, if I install it via Alternate CD, will there be any bug in it?
[06:45] <rocket16> Because I can't wait for the new release, :(
[06:46] <rocket16> My Laptop is minimal, with 512 MB RAM, but my Desktop has 2 GB. Still, I wish Lucid helps me to resurrect my Laptop, :) 9.10 does the same, but hope Lucid is better, :)
[06:46] <AK> rocket16:  You can do upgrade to lucid .. There are some bugs r there
[06:47] <chris4585> rocket16, there might be, thats the fun of testing betas
[06:47] <rocket16> AK, oh I see.
[06:47] <rocket16> chris4585: Oh, yes.
[06:48] <rocket16> But,at least, It will work, :) Won't it? (Really new to beta-testing, :( )
[06:49] <rocket16> And, is there a way to have Lucid Lynx's Empathy theme in 9.10?
[06:50] <chris4585> rocket16, there's no way to know without testing it
[06:50] <rocket16> chris4585: Ok, :)
[06:51] <rocket16> Oh! I got it! The way to get Lucid's empathy theme in 9.10!
[06:51] <rocket16> http://tecnicoslinux.com.ar/livecd/empathy-chat-themes_1_all.deb
[06:51] <rocket16> Here the deb file is there, :)
[06:53] <chris4585> rocket16, awesome :)
[06:53] <rocket16> chris4585: Thank you, :)
[06:55] <rocket16> I hope, Lucid beats Windows 7 fever, that started after October 22, last Year. Although Ubuntu 9.10 came out the next day, but people got amazed and used Windows . :( I myself, an Ubuntu user and fan, can't tolerate this. :( (Sorry, a bit offtopic)
[07:01] <vahe_> so i finally managed to install 10.04. However, when selecting to boot via the drive its installed on, bios hangs on "Verifying DMI Pool Data....". When I choose the windows HD to boot from, everything works correctly. Anyone have an idea on what may be causing this?
[07:21] <SandGorgon> can somebody check that in kubuntu 10.04 on a laptop - when you pull out the power cord (or put it back in), the mouse pointer jumps to the launcher ?
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Sandgoron: no kde here dude. I like free ram :)
[07:30] <LordKow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/537218 that is going to be nasty for lucid nvidia users
[07:30] <LordKow> im surprised it isn't being mentioned in the release notes for the betas
[07:32] <jimjimovich> hey all
[07:32] <jimjimovich> I noticed that Lucid beta 2, 32bit version, sees all of my 4GB of RAM
[07:32] <jimjimovich> what is the RAM limit for the 32 bit version?
[07:33] <Blue11> 4G?
[07:34] <jimjimovich> yeah, Karmic shows only 3.2 GB of RAM if I used the 32 bit version, but Lucid is showing 3.8 GiB
[07:34] <Blue11> if you think its confusing now, wait till 10.10 reports stuff in decimal instead of binary
[07:35] <jimjimovich> well, i'm not so much confused, i'm just wondering how much RAM Lucid 32bit will see. Since the only reason I'm using the 64bit version of Karmic is to use all my RAM
[07:39] <vega> LordKow: urk, just begin ugprade and have nvidia binary drivers..
[07:40] <Mikerhinos> hi all
[07:49] <vahe_> hello again guys, can anyone help me troubleshoot my ethernet connection
[07:50] <blue102> can you ping it
[07:50] <vahe_> nope, i'll describe my issue
[07:51] <vahe_> and this has been an issue with ubuntu on multiple installs
[07:51] <blue102> i'm listening
[07:51] <vahe_> as far as I can tell, ubuntu sees my network adapter (on my motherboard) as I notice that it can detect my mac address
[07:51] <vahe_> but i can never receive an IP
[07:51] <blue102> dhcp working or static ip
[07:52] <vahe_> dhcp from my router
[07:52] <blue102> yep ok
[07:52] <vahe_> and it works fine with windows and the os x machine that I'm running on
[07:52] <blue102> nano /etc/network/interfaces and make it static see what happen
[07:53] <vahe_> what do I put in here specifically to make that happen?
[07:54] <vega> i recently discovered a funny thing, i had an extra /etc/network/interfaces file with some funny utf8 character right after the 's' character, this made the wlan assosiation fail completely even though the actual 'interfaces' was correct, after deleting the extra file it worked
[07:55] <blue102> hang on back in a minute
[07:57] <blue102> auto eth0
[07:57] <blue102> iface  eth0 inet static
[07:58] <blue102> address 192.168.0.10
[07:58] <blue102> netmask 255.255.255.0
[07:58] <blue102> network 192.168.0.0
[07:59] <blue102> broadcast  192.168.0.255
[07:59] <vahe_> my router is at 192.168.1.1, should I have it at "network 192.168.1.0"
[08:00] <blue102> gateway 192.168.0.1
[08:00] <blue102> try that
[08:01] <blue102> see how that goes
[08:01] <vega> well that won't work if his router is .1.1
[08:01] <blue102> after that /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:02] <blue102> then you try 192.168.1.0
[08:02] <vega> rather: address 192.168.1.10, network 192.168.1.0, broadcast 192.168.1.255 and gateway 192.168.1.1
[08:02] <blue102> yep try that
[08:03] <blue102> you must be able to ping the router
[08:04] <vahe_> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  results in "*Reconfiguring network interfaces... grep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory [OK]"
[08:04] <vahe_> i went with the settings vega provided
[08:04] <AK> Guys what is the command from terminal to test speaker in ubuntu 10.04. I am facing some issue while sound recorder
[08:05] <vega> vahe_: yeah you need a resolv.conf now as you don't have dhcp creating it.. but it probably will work without too
[08:06] <blue102> works with me here
[08:07] <AK> Anybody can help me on Sound Recorder testing. what is the command from terminal to test speaker in ubuntu 10.04. I am facing some issue while sound recorder
[08:08] <ZykoticK9> AK, you can try "speaker-test -c2 -t wav"
[08:10] <AK> This is for Front left and right sound. I need for playback command
[08:11] <AK> ZykoticK9:This is for Front left and right sound. I need for playback command
[08:11] <ZykoticK9> AK, sorry - don't have any other suggestions.  Best of luck.
[08:11] <blue102> vahe is it sorted?
[08:12] <vahe_> nope
[08:12] <vahe_> tried restarting
[08:12] <vahe_> no luck
[08:12] <almoxarife> AK: you want to know why you don't have playback?
[08:14] <presuntorj> !info netbook-launcher
[08:15] <vahe_> ping restults in From 192.168.1.10 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[08:15] <blue102> is the network card working ???
[08:15] <vahe_> yes, booting into windows from the same machine, everything works fine
[08:15] <vega> .1.10 is your gateway(router) ip?
[08:15] <AK> almoxarife: I am doing a sound recorder testing. I have internal microphone. From Sound Preferences : Hardware : Analog Stereo Duplex Input:Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[08:16] <diverse_izzue> kernel -20 doesn't boot on my machine. any others having trouble?
[08:16] <almoxarife> I need help from a samba guru, I have two user folders being shared, and I can see them from a win7 system, I don't see them on the ubuntu side as beiing part of a workgroup though, I have had this issue I think from the time I upgraded
[08:16] <vahe_> router is at .1.1
[08:16] <vahe_> thats what i have gateway set at
[08:16] <vega> ping that
[08:16] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Works here.
[08:16] <KB1JWQ> On it now, no issues.
[08:16] <vahe_> tried "Destination Host Unreachable"
[08:16] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Do we have the -20 changelog available?
[08:17] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, i'm sure we can find it
[08:18] <almoxarife> AK: on a desktop?
[08:18] <blue102> same hostname???
[08:18] <blue102> network name
[08:18] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.32-20.29
[08:18] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: How's it dying, just fails to boot?
[08:18] <vahe_> not sure what you mean
[08:18] <vega> vahe_: assume this is a wired link?
[08:18] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, it just hangs on boot
[08:18] <AK> almoxarife: yes on a desktop I can record the sound but when i play it nothing hears anything
[08:18] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Can you throw it into single user mode?
[08:19] <vahe_> btw, under System > Preferences > Network Connections
[08:19] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, how do i do that?
[08:19] <vahe_> Auto eth0 and Auto eth1 are both now gone
[08:19] <diverse_izzue> maybe i should try with the latest 2.6.32 mainline kernel also
[08:19] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Append "single" without the quotes to the kernel boot line in grub.
[08:19] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, ok, easy enough. what's the effect of that?
[08:19] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: You can also use grub to fail back to the last working kernel.
[08:20] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: It throws it into single user mode for the first boot? :-)  No networking, no loading of a lot of drivers.
[08:20] <AK> ALSAmixer setting all r 100% - capture, mic boost and internal
[08:20] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, i will try.
[08:20] <almoxarife> AK: system>admin>system testing avail for use?
[08:21] <blue102> you use 2 cards eth0 and eth1
[08:21] <bullgard> '~$ sudo update-manger -d'  updated my Thinkpad T43 to 2.6.32-20. But this kernel does not start. Also 2.6.32-20-generic-recovery mode hangs. There is no access to a virtual console. My old kernel 2.6.31-20 starts though, even X. How to fix this?
[08:21] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, i have the same issue
[08:21] <bullgard> Ah!
[08:21] <vahe_> well, motherboard has 2 ethernet ports, cable is connected at eth1 i believe
[08:22] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, KB1JWQ recommended trying to boot with the "single" argument. i cannot reboot right now, but maybe you can try
[08:22] <diverse_izzue> also, you could try using the latest 2.6.32 mainline kernel. do you know where/how to get those?
[08:22] <diverse_izzue> i have a thinkpad as well btw
[08:22] <blue102> try the cable in the eth0
[08:22] <bullgard> diverse_izzue: How can I boot using the "single" argument?
[08:22] <almoxarife> AK: you stated that the issue was 'playback', what is the status of the output in alsa-mixer?
[08:23] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, easiest is to edit the command line directly in grub, just for that one boot. select the boot entry, press e. then at the line which ends in "ro quiet splash" or similar, add "single" to the end
[08:23] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, then press ctrl-x to boot
[08:24] <SiDi> Hi there.
[08:25] <SiDi> I've got an HP6730b, which was working fine under Karmic. I upgraded to Lucid and now the brightness keys don't work. Apparently it's due to my GMA915 not using the good backlight control method, and plenty of bug reports tell to run the following command:
[08:25] <SiDi> xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native
[08:25] <SiDi> Problem is that in Lucid, LVDS has no BACKLIGHT_CONTROL property. Does anyone have an idea what to do?
[08:27] <AK> almoxarife: The issue was with playback the status of the output in alsamixer is 100%. When I do a system testing for Audio i.e speak into internal microphone. after few seconds, i cannot hear back my speach
[08:30] <AK> problem in alsa_record_internal_playback. I cannot hear my speech
[08:34] <AK> I got the testing report
[08:34] <jmfthevci> My Lenovo T61 was updated this morning. Beta1 to Beta 2. New kernel  (2.6.32-20) crashes at the isapnp point early in kernel boot. 2.6.32-19 still boots.
[08:35] <jmfthevci> Using Recovery mode for 2.6.32-20 does not get any further.
[08:37] <diverse_izzue> jmfthevci, you're the third here, besided me and bullgard
[08:37] <jmfthevci> bug 561140 applies
[08:37] <diverse_izzue> bullgard ^
[08:39] <jmfthevci> multiple platforms affected by 561140. Looks like a widespread issue. I'm so glad I keep at least one working kernel...
[08:40] <BUGabundo_remote> m0rning
[08:41] <jmfthevci> Can someone update the motd on this channel to flag bug 561140?
[08:41] <hayanbom> guys, Does anyone know programs that can do comments, annotation,highlight function on pdf file ? only free
[08:42] <diverse_izzue> hayanbom, evince, in it's next version :-) ...maybe
[08:42] <diverse_izzue> there should be something though
[08:42] <hayanbom> diverse_izzue, thanks for response
[08:43] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. I'm getting a deprecated signal error in Kubuntu 10.04 on a svn commit (work repository) - Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[08:43] <SandGorgon> any clue what's going on ?
[08:48] <AK> Guys , I am getting failed on alsa_record_internal_playback when I performed a system testing for Audio
[08:56] <nishanth> my computer freezes randomly. but it works fine when i set acpi to off. but i happen to notice that my fan is working continuously if i set acpi to off....anyone know how to fix this?
[09:00] <vega> can anyone tell the output of "dpkg --list | wc -l
[09:00] <vega> " on a freshly installed lucid machine
[09:00] <vega> ie. how many package installed by default on normal desktop install..
[09:01] <nishanth> my computer freezes randomly. but it works fine when i set acpi to off. but i happen to notice that my fan is working continuously if i set acpi to off....anyone know how to fix this?
[09:01] <blue102> vega 1357
[09:01] <vega> ok, thanks
[09:02] <AK> my system sounds all work, but I can't record or playback with Sound Recorder application. I did tested with System testing where alsa_record_internal_playback failed. Please advise wot needs to be done to fix
[09:02] <nishanth> AK try installing alsa player
[09:03] <nishanth> I used to have similar issue and it worked after i installed alsa player
[09:05] <AK> nishanth: can u tell me how??
[09:05] <nishanth> AK try using the ubuntu software center or synaptic
[09:06] <AK> nishanth:look for?/
[09:06] <nishanth> AK alsa player
[09:07] <Konstigt> how do I report this as a bug? the log out/switch user applet is missing and indicator applet session seems messed up https://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/up/Screenshot.png
[09:07] <TheSov> Can anyone help me get my sound card to work in lucid, its detected and i see multiple profiles but i hear no audio and sometimes pulse crashes when i change profiles.
[09:07] <nishanth> AK which are you using synaptic or software center
[09:07] <vahe_> vega: 1288
[09:08] <AK> I can see alsaplayer-alsa and alsaplayer-daemon
[09:08] <nishanth> AK so you are in synaptic?
[09:08] <nishanth> AK install alsaplayer-alsa
[09:08] <AK> nishanth: Yes I am in Synaptic
[09:08] <AK> nishanth;OK
[09:09] <AK> nishanth; Thanks let me install and test it...
[09:10] <nishanth> AK after you install open sounds from system -> pref..-> sounds
[09:10] <AK> nishanth; Installation done. I am in system -> pref..-> sounds
[09:10] <nishanth> AK then click on the input tab and set input volume to some level and try recording something
[09:11] <nishanth> AK using sound recorder
[09:11] <nishanth> AK did it work?
[09:12] <AK> nishanth : I cannot hear anything while playback
[09:13] <nishanth> AK did you change the input volume?
[09:13] <AK> nishanth : no it didn't work . Do u want to see the screenshot
[09:13] <bullgard> diverse_izzue: jmfthevci <dholbach> said that Ubuntu kernel people are working on the problem and he advised to watch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561151/ for a fix.
[09:13] <nishanth> AK ya maybe
[09:15] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, thanks, subscribed
[09:17] <TheSov> I'm trying to get my sound card to work in 10.04 beta2. It's a sound blaster X-fi pci-express 1x. the system can detect the card and shows is in available hardware. I hear nothing and it does not matter which sound profile I pick for the device I hear no audio.
[09:19] <vega> hmm, evolution seems to be install but is nowhere to be found in the gnome menu
[09:19] <diverse_izzue> vega, if you start evolution rom terminal, does that work?
[09:20] <vega> apt-get --reinstall install evolution did not help
[09:20] <vega> diverse_izzue: it starts
[09:20] <diverse_izzue> vega, right click on your menu to open the menu editor, maybe it's disabled?
[09:20] <Arvan> ls
[09:20] <Arvan> ls
[09:20] <Arvan> hi,all
[09:20] <NET||abuse> hey folks, i ran the upgrade through from 9.10 to the beta on my laptop,, i get to reboot after all the packages are installed, grub pops up, then it sits there saying "Starting Up" with my hdd light on solid....
[09:20] <Arvan> i have a question,please help me. my server acts a router role, now i need to control traffic,which program will be great??
[09:21] <vega> diverse_izzue: hm, right-click on what menu?
[09:21] <diverse_izzue> right click on where it says "applications"
[09:22] <vega> ah ok
[09:22] <vega> nope, no evolution in the "Internet" section
[09:23] <diverse_izzue> vega, in /usr/share/applications, do you have evolution.desktop?
[09:23] <diverse_izzue> vega, do you have the evolution-common package installed?
[09:25] <jmfthevci> bullgard: I'll keep an eye on both 561140 and 561151. Thanks.
[09:26] <NET||abuse> ok, so i tried to get grub to boot off 2.6.31-20 rather than 2.6.32-19 and it does the same thing
[09:26] <jmfthevci> I think 561140 and 561151 are duplicates.
[09:27] <TheSov> can I use beep to test sound?
[09:27] <NET||abuse> just sits there saying "Starting Up"
[09:28] <vega> diverse_izzue: yes to both questions
[09:28] <diverse_izzue> vega, this starts getting a bit weird :-)
[09:29] <diverse_izzue> vega, tried killing the panel "killall gnome-panel" ?
[09:29] <NET||abuse> hmm, seems recovery mode boots with a similar problem i get alot of info flying up the screen, then once it's loaded Ext3 FS on sda1    that's it, just sitting there waiting hdd light on solid,
[09:30] <NET||abuse> is there anyway i can debug this better?
[09:30] <vega> diverse_izzue: just did it, no help.. also did apt-get --reinstall install evolution-common
[09:31] <diverse_izzue> vega, sorry, I'm out of ideas
[09:31] <vega> NET||abuse: https://launchpad.net/bugs/561140 seen this?
[09:33] <vega> diverse_izzue: ok thanks anyways
[09:34] <NET||abuse> vega, yeh, might be the problem, but i tried in 2.6.31-19 kernel and it wouldn't boot either, same situation.
[09:39] <larsivi> have anyone seen a hang in boot right after a kernel is selected in grub? i.e. no output at all (beyond a blinking cursor in the upper left corner)?
[09:39] <NET||abuse> larsivi, i'm in that situation too, though mine says "Starting Up"
[09:39] <larsivi> with me it happens at least half of the time with the -19 kernel, on a dell studio xps 17
[09:39] <NET||abuse> I've got 100% of the time.
[09:39] <larsivi> I don't think I got the -20 kernel yet
[09:39] <NET||abuse> just finished updates from 9.10 to the beta, stuck
[09:40] <NET||abuse> can you get recovery mode to load?
[09:41] <larsivi> I believe the -18 kernel works fine for me (I've been at the beta for some weeks now)
[09:41] <NET||abuse> not sure how i can get any thing else installed here, nothing will load
[09:41] <vega> -20 kernel works ok for me
[09:41] <NET||abuse> i've no tty to switch to or anything.
[09:41] <screen-x> morning all
[09:41] <larsivi> I see I get the -20 kernel now
[09:42] <NET||abuse> i've got the 2.6.32-19 kernel and the 2.6.31-20 kernel to choose from
[09:42] <NET||abuse> i take it the 2.6.31-20 kernel isn't the new one your talking about?
[09:43] <NET||abuse> ahh, google says there's 2.6.33-20
[09:43] <NET||abuse> so i'm not on that version, and so vega that forum / bug is not related to me.
[09:43] <larsivi> hmm, I'm getting 2.6.32-20
[09:43] <vega> ok
[09:43] <vega> 2.6.32-20-generic is what i have
[09:43] <vega> (x86_64)
[09:44] <NET||abuse> vega, you sure? 2.6.32-19 surely? or else either 2.6.31-20 or 2.6.33-20
[09:44] <vega> Linux visam09lk 2.6.32-20-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 9 20:35:00 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:45] <NET||abuse> ohh,
[09:45] <NET||abuse> ok, i've only got 2.6.32-19.. hmm
[09:45] <vahe_> blue102 and vega: an update regarding my networking issue, this seems to have been a specific issue with the network controller on my motherboard. Solution here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/136836
[09:45] <vahe_> thanks for the help guys
[09:46] <BUGabundo_remote> g
[09:47] <NET||abuse> i am completely stuck here, i don't know how to debug this.. anyone know what i can do to get more information?
[09:48] <NET||abuse> i'm curious as to what my disc is doing, after grub the hdd indicator starts to flash up with work then just goes solid on
[09:49] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: what graphics card? I had that with ati card
[09:49] <NET||abuse> nvidia
[09:49] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, but i've no X , no tty, this is not getting past whatever is immediately after grub
[09:51] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: well my ati problem was related to kms. disabling it fixed it. but with the most recent update 2.6.32-20 kernel boots with kms enabled
[09:51] <NET||abuse> i can't get recovery mode or anything to boot, so i don't know how i can change any setting?
[09:51] <bullgard> In Grub I selected (highlighted) the line "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-20-generic root= UUID<<<<<<<<<<009a568ee-...->. How can I navigate to its end and add a string there?
[09:51] <aprilhare> hello.
[09:52] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: how far does recovery mode boot get?
[09:52] <aprilhare> how does one force the login screen to the default display preferences used in lucid? i upgraded, but it still appears chocolatey.
[09:53] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, hold on a tick while i try it again.
[09:53] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, Running /scripts/init-bottom
[09:54] <NET||abuse> Adding 3943948k swap on /dev/sda2. Priotiry: -1 extents: 1 across: 3943948k
[09:54] <NET||abuse> EXT4 FS on sda1, internal journal
[09:54] <NET||abuse>  ------ that's the end
[09:54] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, just sits there after that, and the hdd indicator is just on solid.
[09:56] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, worth running spinright on it? or try boot withlive cd first and mount sda1?
[09:57] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: don't know about spinright, but maybe boot livecd and run fsck on sda1 (don't mount it, of course)
[09:57] <NET||abuse> yeh, ok
[09:57] <NET||abuse> burning image now
[09:57] <NET||abuse> thank god i have desktop with 9.10 still on it.
[09:57] <NET||abuse> problem is 95% of my code is sitting on laptop :P
[09:58] <NET||abuse> looked at my development folder with disc usage analyser yesterday, i have 16GB of Music, and 4.6GB of code :P
[09:58] <NET||abuse> i'm pleased with that ratio.
[09:58] <immortal_soul_> hi i wonder can anyone help
[09:58] <NET||abuse> though there's alot of image assets in that 4.6GB :P
[09:59] <NET||abuse> immortal_soul_, don't ask to ask i think is a rule on most irc
[09:59] <immortal_soul_> im trying to download and instal sound drivers on ubuntu and dont kno how
[09:59] <NET||abuse> sound drivers? What is your hardware?
[09:59] <NET||abuse> you usually don't need much inthe way of sound drivers.. pulse or alsa will work it all out.
[10:00] <immortal_soul_> i was using xp an the disk failed to work an now using ubuntu an basically im a newbie with it so dont know what im doin lol
[10:00] <NET||abuse> ah, kay. have you tested sound will work at all?
[10:00] <NET||abuse> oh, are you using the beta?
[10:00] <NET||abuse> or are you on ubuntu 9.10?
[10:00] <immortal_soul_> um not sure
[10:00] <NET||abuse> are you in ubuntu right now?
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> i am
[10:01] <NET||abuse> or are you dual booting?
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> nah
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> i was able to get wine to work and installed basic irc
[10:01] <chadnru_in> Since the built-in speakers of my laptop didn't work, I had installed  linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic.  Now my built-in speakers work but headphones when connected produce no sound.
[10:01] <NET||abuse> ok, first thing is to see if your on the beta or the stable release.
[10:01] <chadnru_in> The laptop uses an Intel sound card
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> how do i check that ? terminal ?
[10:02] <NET||abuse> yeh, terminal   stick in     uname -a
[10:02] <bullgard> immortal_soul_: uname -a
[10:02] <immortal_soul_> kk 2 secs
[10:02] <immortal_soul_> Linux patrick-desktop 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:03] <NET||abuse> hmm, is beta running on 2.6.31 or is that 9.10?
[10:03] <immortal_soul_> i have no idea lol
[10:05] <NET||abuse> your on 9.10
[10:05] <immortal_soul_> cool
[10:05] <immortal_soul_> i havnt used linux in over 5 yrs or so lmao an that was in school :|
[10:05] <NET||abuse> so this is ubuntu+1 which means it is aimed at the release ahead of the current stable release.
[10:05] <bullgard> immortal_soul_: 2.6.31 is the kernel for Ubuntu 9.10 (called "Karmic").
[10:05] <iconmefisto> chadnru_in: for hda audio, this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845
[10:06] <NET||abuse> 9.10 is the stable release, but by the start of next month 10.04 will be the next stable release
[10:06] <immortal_soul_> ahh i see
[10:06] <NET||abuse> until then just use #ubuntu for help,
[10:06] <NET||abuse> but for sound, make sure you install restricted drivers etc.
[10:07] <NET||abuse> there's some stuff on getting hardware to work on the wiki's
[10:07] <immortal_soul_> kk ty
[10:07] <bullgard> In Grub I selected (highlighted) the line "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-20-generic root= UUID=09a568ee-...->". How can I navigate to its end and add a string there?
[10:08] <iconmefisto> bullgard: arrow keys?
[10:08] <vega> bullgard: isn't it "e" to edit
[10:08] <AK> Guys, I am getting a strange on Sound Preferences ---> Application tab . When I go to Sound Recorder, it should show ALSA plug-in [npviewer.bin]
[10:09] <AK> but its showing sound recorder
[10:09] <thecookie> Howdy!
[10:09] <thecookie> I get thrown out to busybox pretty instantly during kerlen loading
[10:09] <thecookie> any ideas?
[10:10] <om26er> !maverik
[10:10] <AK> Guys, I am getting a strange on Sound Preferences ---> Application tab . When I go to Sound Recorder, it should show ALSA plug-in [npviewer.bin] but its showing sound recorder . I think some application/config needs to be done. any ideas??
[10:10] <bullgard> iconmefisto: The screen picture reacts to the Up and Down arrow keys. But I cannot see any reaction when I press the Left or Right arrow keys.
[10:10] <chadnru_in> iconmefisto: Does this method require having  linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic installed?
[10:11] <vega> bullgard: 12:08 < vega> bullgard: isn't it "e" to edit
[10:11] <Micc_> why does my gdmsetup not have tabs like it shows in web sites when I google it?
[10:11] <jasmuz> Hello to all
[10:11] <jasmuz> I have an urgent question
[10:12] <iconmefisto> chadnru_in: I don't think it matters. it's for enabling sound driver features on different laptop models, even though the audio chipset is the same, different laptops use the same hardware differently
[10:12] <Micc_> my gdmsetup is a single page, not tabs. And I don't see any way to setup a new gdm login screen
[10:12] <jasmuz> I've started the update to 10.04 beta 2, and the installer stuck on disabling power management, What should i do?
[10:13] <iconmefisto> bullgard: are you in the "edit" mode? (press "e" key to edit the selected grub menu item)
[10:15] <jasmuz> ?
[10:15] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: how are you doing the upgrade? commandline or gui?
[10:16] <jasmuz> gui
[10:16] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, GUI
[10:17] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: I only know kde, so if this is on gnome, I can't help you much
[10:17] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, i tried shutting down the acpi-support via init to see if it would roll but no go on that
[10:17] <jmfthevci> jasmuz: Are you doing an update on Battery or mains power?
[10:18] <bullgard> vega: Yes it is. --  Thank you for your help. I added the string "single" to the end of the kernel boot command line. Now a "Recovery menu" appears offering 5 options: clean, dpkg, failsafeX, Update grub bootloader, Drop to root shell prompt with networking. What should I select?
[10:18] <jasmuz> jmfthevci, main power its a PC
[10:18] <vega> bullgard: sorry don't know didn't follow your problem actually.. just commented on the "editing detail" :)
[10:19] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, Im scared of pulling the plug on a partial upgrade, i will end up with a stone for PC
[10:19] <bullgard> vega: Thank you very much.
[10:19] <Sebastian> Kernel panics/segfaults on ThinkPad X60s after upgrade to latest Lucid. How would I gather debug information for this?
[10:19] <jasmuz> ideas, anyone?
[10:19] <bullgard> iconmefisto: This works. Thank you.  --  I added the string "single" to the end of the kernel boot command line. Now a "Recovery menu" appears offering 5 options: clean, dpkg, failsafeX, Update grub bootloader, Drop to root shell prompt with networking. What should I select?
[10:21] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: you could kill the upgrade process and then sudo dpkg --configure -a to continue the rest of the upgrade. as long as you fix things before reboot it should be ok
[10:21] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, let me just do that
[10:22] <iconmefisto> bullgard: what do you want to do?
[10:22] <bullgard> iconmefisto: Starting Ubuntu 10.04 Beta.
[10:23] <madalin> hello
[10:23] <madalin> anyone arround?
[10:23] <bullgard> no
[10:23] <madalin> i could use a hand..
[10:23] <DASPRiD> please don't use the hand :x
[10:23] <madalin> i have an ATI Radeon 4350, and it looks like X is screaming something about fglrx or such
[10:23] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, killed lucid and the dpkg process in the background.. restarted the install with dpkg --configure -a i will tell you the results in a while
[10:24] <iconmefisto> bullgard: so it doesn't boot with normal grub kernel options? any idea why?
[10:25] <AK> Hello I am getting following available message while opening gstreamer-properties
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'artsdsink'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdsink'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'glimagesink'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'v4lmjpegsrc'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'qcamsrc'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdmon'
[10:25] <SandGorgon> !paste | AK
[10:27] <madalin> ok, so i canhow can i do a force repair ?
[10:28] <chandru_in> iconmefisto: I tried all possible option as said in that thread.
[10:28] <iconmefisto> chandru_in: no good?
[10:29] <chandru_in> The codec identified on my system is Realtek ID 270 which is neither on that list nor in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
[10:29] <chandru_in> So I tried hp, hp-* as mine is a compaq laptop
[10:29] <chandru_in> none of them worked
[10:30] <chandru_in> iconmefisto: Also most people on that thread are trying to get ti working on their headphones, while it is the opposite for me my headphones are working just fine
[10:30] <iconmefisto> chandru_in: I have a compaq too, but no sound at all. maybe try filing a bug report?
[10:30] <chandru_in> it is my laptop speakers which fail
[10:31] <chandru_in> iconmefisto: I wanted to comfirm if it is a bug at all first
[10:31] <bullgard> iconmefisto: "So it doesn't boot with normal grub kernel options? any idea why?" <- Because the Ubuntu kernel developers introduced a bug in kernel 2.6.32-20-generic. --  "Why?" Because they did not pay attention enough to side effects of their work.#
[10:32] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, i came up with these errors: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
[10:32] <jasmuz> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-21-generic
[10:32] <jasmuz> .: 4: Can't open /scripts/functions
[10:32] <jasmuz> Processing triggers for python-support ...
[10:32] <jasmuz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:32] <jasmuz>  mplayer-nogui
[10:32] <jasmuz>  acpi-support
[10:32] <jasmuz> ups, sorry guys
[10:33] <vega> Sebastian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561151
[10:33] <bullgard> iconmefisto: Launchpad Bugs #561140 and 561151 are similar.
[10:34] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, what to do, reboot?
[10:35] <LetsGo67> How do I downgrade my kernel to 2.6.27?
[10:36] <bullgard> LetsGo67: You better don't.
[10:36] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, i shall reboot.. will post how it goes in a while, hopefully
[10:36] <jasmuz> !exit
[10:37] <LetsGo67> Bullgard: But my laptop keeps overheating and crashing, and they *still* didn't fix in 10.04 beta 1!  Also, the instructions to "fix" the problem are complicated!
[10:38] <bullgard> LetsGo67: In your case the best thing to do is to install another kernel and try this one out.
[10:38] <LetsGo67> Sorry?  Why not 2.6.27?
[10:39] <bullgard> LetsGo67: Did you not say that fixing it is too complicated for you?
[10:40] <LetsGo67> Mhm.  It involves machine code.;
[10:40] <jackhigh> this may be a daft question but ive never used empathy before can it do irc if so how do i set it up ? do i need another package to make it work ?
[10:40] <st4aluck> Guis I posted a bug about my laptop but still no progress https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/553084
[10:42] <aprilhare> NET||abuse, wouldn't moar video be good?
[10:42] <om26er> st4aluck, you could try the latest kernel just to check if it really is a kernel bg
[10:43] <st4aluck> om26er: Do you mean 2.6.33
[10:43] <mfraz74> Just done an update and now I can't log in
[10:43] <om26er> st4aluck, yes
[10:43] <nishanth> any one know what this does......quiet splash i915.modeset=0
[10:43] <LetsGo67> bullgard?
[10:43] <NET||abuse> aprilhare, sorry??
[10:43] <st4aluck> om26er: I tryed already, it doesn't work either
[10:43] <mfraz74> it gets stuck at 2.77
[10:43] <om26er> st4aluck, I guess not a kernel bug then
[10:44] <aprilhare> NET||abuse, sorry was replying to something in log
[10:44] <om26er> st4aluck, maybe upower? or g-p-m
[10:44] <aprilhare> NET||abuse, behind the times I am :)
[10:44] <mfraz74> also unable to get into the GRUB2 menu to choose another kernel
[10:44] <nishanth>  quiet splash i915.modeset=0 any one know what this does?
[10:44] <bullgard> LetsGo67: I do not understand your last questionmark. What do you want to know?
[10:44] <st4aluck> om26er: I tried to run live CDs of 9.10 10.04 and Knpppix and non of them are working
[10:45] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, im back.. !
[10:45] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: sorry I was gone for a while. you said you had errors. did you boot up normally?
[10:45] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, everything seems ok.. except i lost the screen resolution i had for my 17 inch screen, im using an ATI X1550 card with radeon drivers
[10:46] <st4aluck> om26er: only Hardy works without any problems even a live CD on battery mode
[10:46] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, thanks a lot. Any ideas on how to fix my resolution issue.
[10:46] <mfraz74> can anyone help me?
[10:47] <vega> !ask | mfraz74
[10:47] <LetsGo67> bullgard: How do I install and boot 2.6.27?
[10:47] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: I'm gnome-ignorant, so probably not much help. does gnome have a screen res gui? can you set screen res to what you want?
[10:48] <NET||abuse> right, so i can't boot, but live cd boots and can mount my hdd partitions,, i unmount the drive and i want to fsck them,,
[10:48] <SandGorgon> can somebody check that in kubuntu 10.04 on a laptop - when you pull out the power cord (or put it back in), the mouse pointer jumps to the launcher ?
[10:48] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, yes, it does.. but it won't display beyond 1024x768
[10:48] <NET||abuse> how do i use fsck?
[10:48] <mfraz74> i've tried asking but no resonse. after doing an update just now, I can no longer boot into my laptop
[10:49] <SandGorgon> mfraz74, looks like the -20 kernel update is breaking quite a few boots... just FYI
[10:49] <NET||abuse> mfraz74, i'm in the same situation.
[10:49] <mfraz74> sandgorgon: how do I boot into the older kernel?
[10:49] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, but i can't boot on the 19 either, breaking at the same versino
[10:49] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: I just tried it, my mouse pointer jumps to top left of the screen
[10:49] <NET||abuse> infact the -19 kernel i have is still 9.10's version.
[10:50] <om26er> st4aluck, is your problem like "freezes then lines appear"
[10:50] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, cool.. will file a bug.. please mark it as "affects me too"
[10:50] <SandGorgon> mfraz74,  NET||abuse  maybe something more has happened...
[10:50] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: ok, let me know when you've filed it
[10:50] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, well, last night i set off the update, finished out this morning.
[10:50] <mfraz74> sandgorgon: has a bug been reported?
[10:50] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i havn't booted once into it
[10:51] <st4aluck> om26er: no, just freezes
[10:51] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i just get "Starting up" and it sits there, drive light on solid, just frozen
[10:51] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i have no tty or anything
[10:51] <NET||abuse> i'm in live cd and my partitions mount up fine. so no hdd problem
[10:51] <NET||abuse> and the live cd running on kernel 2.6.32-19 seemed to boot
[10:52] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, you could try adding "debug=" to the end of the boot params list to see what is happening.
[10:52] <mfraz74> i just get what looks like tty1, but get stuck at around 2.7s.
[10:52] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, ahhhh yay, debug, ok i'll do that now.
[10:52] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, im getting normal accelerated graphics, i just need to manually add a higher resolution, do you know where i can do that?
[10:52] <iconmefisto> !resolution
[10:52] <st4aluck> om26er: it' freezes at the moment I have to log on my account or if I work on AC and switch to battery it freezes in 3-5 sec
[10:52] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, is it doen by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst ??
[10:52] <SandGorgon> jasmuz, check "Hardware Drivers" first - and install the recommended drivers.
[10:53] <bullgard> LetsGo67: You need to install the associated kernel image DEB program package. Then restart your computer and select this kernel.
[10:53] <SandGorgon> jasmuz, later you can choose ur resolution in "Display"
[10:53] <bullgard> in grub
[10:53] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: try that link ^^
[10:53] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, I'm not too sure... but I think u can press "e" at the grub menu
[10:53] <om26er> st4aluck, what if you start it without charger?
[10:54] <jasmuz> SandGorgon, the Radeon drivers for my ATI X1550 are there.. and Display wont set it to anything beyond 1024x786
[10:54] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, well i'm looking at menu.lst and i'm seeing the boot groups,, there's 4 lines, root, kernel root=UUID=...   initrd then quiet
[10:54] <SandGorgon> !ati | jasmuz
[10:54] <st4aluck> om26er: read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:54] <mfraz74> how do i get the grub menu?
[10:54] <NET||abuse> where do i add the =debug?
[10:54] <NET||abuse> mfraz74, during boot, the count down appears for 3 seconds, hit escape
[10:54] <mfraz74> is that for grub 2?
[10:54] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, at the "quiet", you can just append "debug=" to the end
[10:55] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[10:55] <NET||abuse> so the line would be "quiet debug="
[10:55] <om26er> st4aluck, searching on the internet suggests that there are problems with Toshiba Satellite A205 when switching to battery or from battery
[10:55] <jasmuz> Thanks NET||abuse & iconmefisto
[10:55] <Freanki> Hi, since the update from 9.10 to 10.4 my system will stop after loading the kernel. No daemons start... But the kernel still works (CTRL+ALT+DEL still works). I already updateded my system in a chroot enviroment but it's still not working
[10:55] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, yup.. actually all the lines get concatenated together anyway... but its a good idea to add it at the very last line.. so that it is not overridden
[10:56] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, ah, kay, cheers.
[10:56] <st4aluck> om26er: I am searching non stop and I didn't find anything but my posts
[10:56] <NET||abuse> right, rebooting into it.
[10:56] <om26er> st4aluck, http://laptopforums.toshiba.com/t5/Batteries-and-Power/Satellite-A205-S5800-freezes-when-AC-power-cord-is-connected/td-p/65220;jsessionid=A835B9B41E22FDC31F4F0323E6CA9B9A
[10:57] <om26er> st4aluck, its not the exact problem but seems related
[10:58] <st4aluck> om26er: do you realy think it's not a kernel problem?
[10:58] <mfraz74> is this the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561140
[10:58] <om26er> st4aluck, seems that way
[10:58] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, here's the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/561342
[10:58] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i added debug= to the end of that line,, nothing new is showing up on screen when i boot
[10:59] <LetsGo67> bullgard: In 10.04, how do you select it, as I do not see "GRUB loading..."
[10:59] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, hmm... that was my last resort buddy... sorry :(
[10:59] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, that page is dated and that system uses xrandr and xorg.conf which are deprecated
[10:59] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, when i edit the line, it doesn't stay,
[10:59] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, it musn't be actually working to edit the line?
[11:00] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: xrandr is deprecated? are you sure?
[11:00] <st4aluck> om26er: You see they didn't solve the problem too
[11:00] <bullgard> LetsGo67: Do you have X running, or do you have only virtual consoles?
[11:00] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, hmm.. u need to take a look at that But try to get "debug=" in there somewhere
[11:00] <st4aluck> om26er: toshiba is the worst mashine for Ubuntu
[11:00] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i edited it, hit enter and it goes back and i see it there, if i hit escape to go back to the boot list, then e to edit again, it's reverted
[11:00] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: xorg.conf is still usable, also. it's just not part of a default setup these days
[11:00] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, haven't been using xrandr in ages, prolly mistaken there.. but xorg configs are old
[11:00] <LetsGo67> bullgard: I have X installed.
[11:01] <om26er> st4aluck, btw those people are having problems with windoze too
[11:01] <bullgard> Can you open Synaptic?
[11:01] <LetsGo67> bullgard: yes.
[11:01] <st4aluck> om26er: toshina is shit
[11:01] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, i'm not sure about the exact syntax, but perhaps you are not supposed to hit escape. Just a thought.. u'll need to google it
[11:02] <LetsGo67> I'm gone.
[11:02] <st4aluck> om26er: there is a similar bug again on Toshiba, brb
[11:03] <NET||abuse> this sucks, i have completely lost access to my machine, arrrg
[11:03] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: after editing, ctrl-x to boot what you've edited (look under the "edit" box and there should be some instructions about that)
[11:03] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, jasmuz@stelo:~$ xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 75
[11:03] <jasmuz> xrandr: cannot find mode 1280x1024
[11:03] <st4aluck> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/518705
[11:05] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, ideas?
[11:06] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: xrandr --newmode <Mode``Line> you can use gtf or cvt to generate a modeline, then put that in the xrandr command. (see the link)
[11:07] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, iconmefisto, should i not be setting debug=  to something?
[11:07] <SandGorgon> st4aluck, I had a similar problem in KDE - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182347
[11:08] <madalin> I have an ATI Radeon 4350 but when i lspci |grep vga i get nothing. What should i do ?
[11:11] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, just won't work
[11:11] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: No, it's not
[11:11] <mfraz74> know i should'nt have done this, but i've had to use a live boot to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf to allow me to boot into 2.26.32-19
[11:11] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, got the generating the newmode line, but when i feed it to xrandr its just a no go
[11:12] <NET||abuse> ok, so when i boot with recovery mode i get a lot of info, it gets stuck when i hits "EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal"  that's the last output before it just sits there blinking.
[11:12] <NET||abuse> how can i do some better debugging.?
[11:12] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: I tried to load and live cd of Knoppix for examp but it freezes
[11:12] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: Only Hardy works onbattery mode with Toshiba A205
[11:12] <iconmefisto> madalin: make that VGA, or grep -i vga (ignore case)
[11:13] <madalin> aye. It works. its there
[11:13] <madalin> however, i cannot enable compiz for some reason..
[11:14] <ubuntu> hello everyone, the plymouth problem has just made my computer a mess
[11:14] <ubuntu> can anyone please help me out
[11:14] <ubuntu> i did a upgrade from karmic
[11:14] <ubuntu> when it goes for update-initramfs it throw a lot of error it is all about the plymouth thing
[11:14] <ubuntu> can anyone help me pls
[11:15] <SandGorgon> st4aluck, i had a similar issue but I had to disable the unused floppy port on my computer for livecd to go through.. that was sometime back.
[11:15] <aprilhare> have floppy disk drive here no problems
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> there are ppl still using floppyes? wow
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> just wow
[11:16] <aprilhare> BUGabundo_remote, media is media
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> ubuntu go into grub, and delete the splash
[11:16] <aprilhare> can't guarantee the drive *works* though :)
[11:16] <SandGorgon> on some motherboards, livecd (and I think Casper) croaks when it tries to work with the floppy drive ports.. I have had to disable them (during install) on all my machines..
[11:16] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: did you had the problem to run on battery mode
[11:16] <aprilhare> just inserted floppy disk and no idea how to access
[11:16] <ubuntu> i already removed the splash
[11:17] <ubuntu> im using the encrypted hard disk so it was already removed in the grub
[11:17] <spikeofdoom> anybody run a 9xxx,8xxx series card with 10.04?
[11:17] <SandGorgon> st4aluck, these were desktops
[11:18] <aprilhare> hmmm having trouble mounting floppies
[11:18] <aprilhare> yay mounted a floppy disk :)
[11:19] <aprilhare> it still works
[11:19] <aprilhare> in 2010 :D
[11:19] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: Did read my bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/553084
[11:19] <spikeofdoom> is anybody running a nividia 8xxx,9xxx series card with 10.04?
[11:19] <ubuntu> bugabundo_remote : im not even able to get into grub
[11:19] <ubuntu> its also giving me error of somd symbol
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> ubuntu left shift?
[11:20] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: and this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[11:20] <ubuntu> no man the grub itself if going down to rescue mode
[11:20] <ubuntu> i think i have to somehow make the update-initramfs to work so that the update-grub too will work and fix the whole issue
[11:20] <mfraz74> the shift key didn't work for me either
[11:21] <ubuntu> but for that i need this plymouth thing and im not able to get it installed too....meaning that im already into a loop...if i want to install plymouth then i need to run a dplg --configure and to do that ubuntu wont allow as it need the plymoth
[11:22] <ubuntu> so now whats the next method
[11:22] <mfraz74> tried holding shift down just after the bios screen vanished and it still wouldn't do anything
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> mfraz74: its not exaclty after bios, more like, a moment just after grub loads
[11:23] <NET||abuse> ooh, a development: hmm, i left it sitting for a while, the last line i had was "EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal" then after 5 minutes it came up with 3 more lines
[11:23] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: try booting with a livecd, chroot, then do the update-initramfs thing
[11:23] <mfraz74> bugabundo_remote: it seemed to straight into booting the kernel
[11:23] <ubuntu> im already in a live cd iconmefisto
[11:23] <ubuntu> and i did a chroot already
[11:23] <NET||abuse> "kjournald starting. Commit internal 5 seconds    EXT3 FS on sda3, internal journal     EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordere datamode.
[11:23] <mfraz74> now that i'm using -19 the shift key works again
[11:23] <NET||abuse> anyone have a suggestion on what to do at this point?
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> mfraz74: it does work. just a question of (very) lucky
[11:26] <aprilhare> hmmm.. kfloppy lets you format floppy disks but gives you choice between DOS, Minix and ext2 only
[11:26] <ubuntu> anyone, shall i purge the /apt/cache/*.pkg files and try again
[11:26] <ubuntu> or shall i purge the /apt/lib/dpkg/info thing?
[11:26] <ubuntu> how this round loop can be broken
[11:28] <NET||abuse> damn.. ok, i'm at a complete loss here,, what can i do?
[11:28] <franta> Hi people!  Is there a way to completely disable all framebuffers? nofb option in grub does not work... I need this to install proprietary NVidia drivers ( with nvidia-current I don't have 3D ) currently I have both nvidia-current and driver directly from nvidia installed and it kinda works, but....
[11:29] <NET||abuse> ahhh, i got debug to run.. now where is that info stored?
[11:29] <ubuntu> im completely lost now about this loop i got into
[11:29] <NET||abuse> if i boot with live cd is it on the drive somewhere?
[11:31] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: what loop? I thought you had a grub problem?
[11:31] <ubuntu> i tried a upgradation to lucid, it allowed me to login once, but on doing a apt-get upgrade it gave me a lot of upgrade and downloaded gbs of file but upon installing that, at one point when it was doing update-initramfs it encountered a problem plymouth and was unable to create the initrd image file and thus not able to run update-grub, so now the system is crashed
[11:31] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: please read the one i posted now you will get the full picture
[11:33] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: sudo update-initramfs -k all -c (that's "all kernels" and "create a new initramfs")
[11:34] <ubuntu> but again the problem when running update-initramfs is throwing is about some missing files, one of the file is that /lib/plymouth/theme/default.plymouth
[11:34] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: and that folder is not available in my system, i guess its not at all installed too.
[11:35] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: so im unable to run that command update-initramfs
[11:35] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: update/upgrade? or sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:36] <ubuntu> now i  did a rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin files and again ran a update and upgrade
[11:36] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: let me see how its gonna go, its downloading now and will take another 7 mins
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> erkk
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> notify-osd is in BOTH top corners of my screen
[11:37] <ubuntu> im not sure whether it is going to work or not.bcoz once again when the upgrade start installing its gonna again call update-initramfs and once again im gonna face the same problem
[11:38] <madalin> I am using an ATI Radeon 4350 and i can't enable compiz. What should i do ?
[11:38] <aprilhare> madalin, panic.
[11:39] <aprilhare> madalin, don't panic :)
[11:39] <madalin> :P
[11:39] <aprilhare> madalin, are there proprietary ati drivers?
[11:39]  * aprilhare is out of the loop on all things ati
[11:40] <madalin> there is one, yes, but after activation and the required reboot i get some errors about missing..
[11:40] <aprilhare> cause i'd check to see if they are latest
[11:40] <aprilhare> delete old ones, install latest ones
[11:40] <aprilhare> that sort of thing
[11:40] <aprilhare> cause i noticed that here. it was bad
[11:41] <maxb> I apologize for my slightly irate tone.... but is Plymouth even REMOTELY ready for release?
[11:41] <aprilhare> plymouth?
[11:41] <maxb> Every time my disks has fscked, it has hung the boot process entirely
[11:42] <maxb> plymouth is the graphical boot nonsense
[11:42] <aprilhare> oh
[11:42] <aprilhare> it just looks ugly here.
[11:42] <aprilhare> and when i go to login, it looks chocolatey. still.
[11:43] <madalin> aprilhare, they are the latest one...
[11:43] <aprilhare> madalin, check to see if old ones are installed too
[11:43] <aprilhare> delete old ones
[11:43] <iconmefisto> maxb: it's remotely ready, yes :) that fsck halting boot is a bug I was reading recently
[11:43] <madalin> how?
[11:43] <aprilhare> reinstall new one after deleting old ones
[11:43] <aprilhare> madalin, use synaptic
[11:44] <iconmefisto> maxb: at least some people said after second boot, everything starts normally
[11:45] <maxb> It does... but that's not really the point
[11:45]  * maxb does not have a good feeling about lucid
[11:45] <iconmefisto> maxb: it's not released yet. that's how it goes
[11:45] <aprilhare> who was it who said moods are for cattle?
[11:45] <aprilhare> think it was from dune
[11:46] <aprilhare> maxb, its ok from my perspective. forced to create a new user account (the old one was cruddified anyways from successive upgrades)
[11:47] <NET||abuse> what log file do I look at now since i added the  debug=  boot param ?
[11:47] <NET||abuse> i'm in the live cd and want to get my machine booting again.
[11:48] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: just guessing, maybe /var/log/debug ?
[11:49] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, thanks.
[11:49] <NET||abuse> but no, it's saying stuff from 2 hours ago, not 15 minutes ago
[11:50] <NET||abuse> that was right before i finished my upgrade,
[11:50] <NET||abuse> would a clean re-install be a better idea?
[11:50] <NET||abuse> as long as my data is preserved i'mok
[11:51] <NET||abuse> i'd have no problem with that.
[11:51] <madalin> aprilhare: no old ones installed..
[11:51] <NET||abuse> rather than resolve this botched upgrade
[11:53] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: is your home on a separate partition?
[11:53] <NET||abuse> yeh
[11:53] <NET||abuse> thankfully
[11:54] <NET||abuse> 60 gig main parition, 250GB home
[11:55] <JohnFlux> Firefox in ubuntu+1  crashes continually
[11:55] <JohnFlux> after about 5 minutes of use
[11:55] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: well, you should be able to do a fresh install. just be careful you don't delete or format your home partition
[11:55] <JohnFlux> I don't have any plugins
[11:56] <kwk> Hi there! I need to install a fresh linux distribution aside to my Windows 7 installation. I usually run ubuntu but due to the improvements of 10.04 I don't want to install 9.10. Since 10.04 is in beta I wanted to know if is a pain to update to the latest version of 10.04 once it is out. Can you predict any kind of troubles with it?
[12:02] <iconmefisto> kwk: shouldn't be a problem upgrading once it's released, if that's what you're asking
[12:03] <iconmefisto> JohnFlux: by plugins, you mean extensions?
[12:03] <kwk> iconmefisto: No. I'm asking if it's a good Idea to install beta and update to final.
[12:04] <Freanki> Hi, since the update from 9.10 to 10.4 my system will stop after loading the kernel. No daemons start... But the kernel still works (CTRL+ALT+DEL still works). I already updateded my system in a chroot enviroment but it's still not working. Tried kernel 2.3.32 and 2.3.31
[12:04] <iconmefisto> kwk: yeah that's what I meant. if you have the beta installed, shouldn't be a problem upgrading to final when it's released
[12:04] <kwk> thanks
[12:05] <iconmefisto> kwk: the bugs in the beta is the only thing to worry about, imo
[12:05] <chris4585> Freanki, the other day a few people I know had issues with the latest kernel, I would suggest waiting for an update
[12:05] <Freanki> there was an update to the kernel this morning... :(
[12:05] <Freanki> from -19 to -20
[12:06] <chris4585> yes the x.20 kernel was the problem
[12:06] <iconmefisto> Freanki: ati video, by any chance?
[12:06] <Freanki> iconmefisto: no, nvidia but it's not coming that far...
[12:09] <Freanki> where would be the bugreport in launchpad for my problem?
[12:09] <Freanki> I have no clue for which packages to search
[12:17] <franta> anyone know why with nvidia-current there is no 3D and with the same driver directly from nvidia it works?
[12:21] <G-Farkas> How to install flashplayer in Lucid? I don't have it in the repositories.
[12:23] <franta> G-Farkas: what about flashplugin-installer?
[12:24] <G-Farkas> franta, I supposet to be in the official repos?
[12:25] <G-Farkas> it*
[12:26] <franta> G-Farkas: it's in multiverse
[12:26] <ubuntu> hii iconmefisto: can you tell me what is this grep: /lib/plymouth/themes/default.plymouth: No such file or directory
[12:26] <k1llm3kwik> hey guys
[12:26] <ubuntu> cpio: ./lib/plymouth/.so: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[12:27] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: im running update-initramfs
[12:27] <G-Farkas> franta, I think I made a mistake, I thought that I have It in the cache because the previous karmic installation. Thanks and excuse the question
[12:27] <k1llm3kwik> I have been having a crazy issue with xorg. Everything seems to be fine then it wigs out and makes the screen look 8-bit (if you have ever seen a bad GFX card it looks like that)
[12:28] <k1llm3kwik> 9.10 works great...it is just 10.04
[12:29] <G-Farkas> k1llm3kwik,  did you try to write an xorg.conf ?
[12:29] <G-Farkas> where you specify 24 bits)
[12:29] <k1llm3kwik> yeah I did all the xorg stuff
[12:29] <k1llm3kwik> I even tried to move my xorg file from 9.10
[12:29] <k1llm3kwik> everything works great for a while
[12:30] <k1llm3kwik> then it starts acting up and artifacting...if I move desktops is is fine
[12:30] <G-Farkas> how long is "a while"?
[12:30] <k1llm3kwik> random amount of time
[12:30] <k1llm3kwik> it can be 10 mins or 4 hours
[12:31] <k1llm3kwik> it isn't a heat issue because I am on MINT now and it never happens or I can use 9.10 (3 parts 10.04, 9.10 and Mint 8)
[12:31] <G-Farkas> one it start failing, xorg.conf is still there?
[12:32] <k1llm3kwik> yeah it is still there
[12:32] <k1llm3kwik> same config
[12:32] <G-Farkas> what happens if you reboot?
[12:32] <k1llm3kwik> I also did a full reinstall with beta2 just to make sure it wasn't a bad install
[12:33] <k1llm3kwik> when I reboot...it comes up fine again...for unknown amount of time
[12:33] <k1llm3kwik> most the time it seems to freak out when I am on the web (firefox, chrome or Opera...didn't matter)
[12:33] <G-Farkas> Sorry, I tried
[12:34] <G-Farkas> I really dont have idea of what can be happening
[12:34] <k1llm3kwik> yeah that is where I am...bad part is I love 10.04 for boot times
[12:34] <k1llm3kwik> haha
[12:34] <k1llm3kwik> keep going over every couple of days and doing updates..hoping
[12:35] <G-Farkas> well, if it will be fixed, isnt terrible
[12:35] <G-Farkas> I love 8 bits ;)
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> haha it is all good and livable until the text scrambles
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> then I am screwed
[12:36] <G-Farkas> Just use windows :P
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> I reported it on launchpad so it will get checked up at some point
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> haha fail
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> I have to use that full time
[12:36] <JohnFlux> iconmefisto: yes, sorry.  I don't have any extensions or anything, but firefox crashes anyway after about 5 minutes of use
[12:37] <G-Farkas> k1llm3kwik, well I have to continue studying, see you
[12:37] <k1llm3kwik> later
[12:38] <vega> "Thanks to all of you for your help in making this past Thursday's beta
[12:38] <vega> release a great success"
[12:38] <sara_> hi :)
[12:38] <vega> and here every second people complaining about non-bootable systems :)
[12:38] <sara_> no sound applet after installing new headers
[12:39] <om26er> sara_, check if indicator-sound is installed
[12:41] <NET||abuse> ok, fresh install, doing full upgrade and see if i fall afoul of the -20 kernel bug
[12:41] <sara_> sorted it wasnt installed
[12:41] <sara_> sorry
[12:41] <NET||abuse> wish i knew what went wrong with my upgrade though :(
[12:42] <bullgard5> What DEB program package includes the Disk Mounter 2.30.0 applet?
[12:43] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me where i can get label.so which should be inside /lib/plymouth/
[12:43] <bullgard5> NET||abuse: Please tell me the Launchpad number of "the -20 kernel bug".
[12:43] <ubuntu> its missing and im unable to do a update-initramfs
[12:44] <ubuntu> anyone have any work around please let me know im in a real problem
[12:48] <franta> plymouth seems like pure trouble to me :)
[12:55] <bullgard5> What DEB program package includes the Disk Mounter 2.30.0 applet?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> one of the many reasons i removed Plymouth
[12:58] <franta> Dr_Willis: how?:)
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> remove /reinstall plymouth if its messed up perhaps?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> franta:  you can disable the /etc/init scripts that run it.. as one way
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> or remove the package
[12:59] <franta> you can't it removes half of the system ...
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. it dident for me the other day
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> removed 2 packages
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> I dont even think it removed ubuntu-desktop
[13:00] <franta> Dr_Willis: do you know how to completely disable framebuffer? I have medium size trouble with nvidia drivers :)
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> franta:  the nofb option to the kernel used to do it.. but even now it seems to load the vesa16fb module
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> perhaps blacklist that module as well
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> and use the nofb option
[13:01] <franta> its' vesa16fb? I thought that it was vga16fb
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> all this stuff they are doing to try to get a 'smooth boot progress' for pure eyecandy
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> it may be. I havent looked lately
[13:01] <iconmefisto> Dr_Willis: it also gives you a faster boot though, doesn't it?
[13:01] <franta> the most eye-candy would be grub->kdm :
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> every so often i notice the framebuffer console is a purpleish
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> iconmefisto:  i dont see how plymouth speeds up anything.. its just fancy splash screens
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> Unless it has some feature ive never heard of. :)
[13:02] <iconmefisto> Dr_Willis: well not plymouth I suppose, but kms
[13:02] <franta> they just need some nice logo placement I guess
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> now kms has some actual features. :)
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> Im suprised they havent set up some Grub splash screens yet
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> heh - removing Plymouth now DOES remove a lot of other stuff.. it definatly did not do that  like 2 weeks ago
[13:03] <iconmefisto> Dr_Willis: some people are afraid of white text on a black screen
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> I would think that counts as a bug.
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> iconmefisto:  some people are well.. stupid also. :)
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> with a 20-30 sec boot time..  they see text.. its gone.. i dont see the point :)
[13:04] <franta> iconmefisto: so they can use quiet option in grub :D
[13:05] <iconmefisto> franta: yes but it's quiet, not silent :)
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Id much perfer to see the system is doing somthing or has some error.. so i dont wait an hr.. then get annoyed and hit the power button and make things worse.
[13:05] <iconmefisto> Dr_Willis: I agree. I like to know what's happening, or at least try to understand...
[13:06]  * patdk-wk wants to dump the graphics on usb boot
[13:06] <patdk-wk> cause that fails so many times, and you dunno if it's just the usb taking forever or not
[13:06] <NET||abuse> hmm, despite any 2.6.32-20 kernel concerns, i seem to be running just fine, and my nvidia driver works now too after reboot
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> OR the fact you dident turn on the external usb HD.. thats hanging it...
[13:06] <NET||abuse> problem,, audio volume control indicator not visible.
[13:06] <NET||abuse> or not loaded?
[13:07] <franta> NET||abuse: do you use nvidia-current?
[13:07] <Psi-Jack> Heh. So how's the kvm support in 10.4 so far? ;)
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> It is amuseing that removeing plymouth now wants to remove
[13:07] <Dr_Willis>  807 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:07] <franta> Dr_Willis: I guess that they just want tu make us use it ...
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> kvm has worked supriseingly well for me.
[13:07] <TommyThaGun> ok, I just did an upgrade, one of the new packages was 2.6.32-20 kernel...
[13:08] <TommyThaGun> did my boot time just decrease 5 seconds
[13:08] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: You ever tried doing migrations with kvm? ;)
[13:08] <TommyThaGun> I think it did
[13:08] <iconmefisto> TommyThaGun: me too
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Psi-Jack:  nope. - I just noticed this one box when it booted ran some kvm stuff and updated thenvidia drivers.. which was  handy.
[13:08] <TommyThaGun> that's amazing
[13:09] <NET||abuse> franta, not sure, just checking which one is loaded..
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> well updated/upgraded... time for a reboots.
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> brb
[13:09] <NET||abuse> franta, i have packages for 173 and current loaded
[13:09] <iconmefisto> TommyThaGun: rebooting is much much faster too
[13:09] <NET||abuse> franta, otherwise which one is running?
[13:09] <iconmefisto> TommyThaGun: I mean the shutdown process
[13:10] <Pici> 21 second boot on first reboot after a fresh install. Only services added were ssh and fail2ban. :D
[13:10] <NET||abuse> franta, hardware driver applet tells me i'm using neither??? ummm, what ?
[13:10] <franta> NET||abuse: current is 195 and with nvidia-current 3D doesn't work for me :( but when I install binary distribudion from nvidia over it it works
[13:10] <franta> NET||abuse: maybe you're on nouveau?
[13:11] <NET||abuse> how can i tell which driver is actually loaded with X?
[13:11] <franta> try nvidia-settings
[13:11] <NET||abuse> driver version 195.36.15
[13:12] <NET||abuse> right now though i've nt volume applet ??
[13:12] <NET||abuse> what gives?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Update/upgrade - boots
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> this old box is booting in under 30 sec it seems.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> I dont even Notice the Plymouth animation when im sitting here watching it...
[13:13] <franta> my core2 boots in about 27sec :-/
[13:13] <patdk-wk> mine can't make up it's mind between 12s and 15s boots
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> sort of a neat trick getting it so quick.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> expecially when i got an old machine like this
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> the bios POST tests take longer then boot time. and GRUB no longer hangs for like 90 sec on this box.
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> I can imagine how fast a machine with a SSD would be
[13:14] <vega> is there a default mta package installed?
[13:14] <vega> or some lightweight alternative
[13:15] <patdk-wk> I haven't liked the lightweight mta's, as they don't queue
[13:15] <vega> but what
[13:15] <vega> 's the default on a desktop install?
[13:15] <patdk-wk> there isn't one
[13:15] <patdk-wk> if one needs to be isntalled, it will attempt postfix though
[13:15] <vega> ok
[13:16] <vega> also, why do i have cupsd running when using a print server..
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> cups services talk/discover each other
[13:17] <vega> imho ServerName foo.bar in client.conf should be enough for a client/desktop machine
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> so the local box is perhaps connecing to the local cups server thats going to the remote cups
[13:17] <vega> or is there some reason to run an own instance of cupsd? can't think of any right now..
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> as far as i know.. the local box is connecting to its local cups server then going out to the remote box's cups server.. but its been a while since i last did  that.
[13:18] <vega> i still get printer lists from the server and can print without cupsd running
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> remove it then and see.
[13:18] <vega> just tested.. ok, so no need for cupsd
[13:20] <vega> next tune question, no need for a getty process to run on tty1-tty6, is inittab still the right place to disable them?
[13:20] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:20] <vega> apparently not, since it doesn't exist... :)
[13:20] <patdk-wk> inittab hasn't been used for a long time
[13:21] <vega> well, haven't fiddled with these things for some 10 years..
[13:21] <Psi-Jack> Hrmm? inittab hasn't been used for a long time?
[13:21] <vega> seems /etc/init/tty?.conf, iirc sometime ago there was no proper way of disabling upstart services, situation changed?
[13:21] <Pici> Not on Ubuntu
[13:22] <Psi-Jack> hmmm.. Part of the whole upstart system?
[13:22] <vega> as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/94065
[13:23] <patdk-wk> yep, upstart now
[13:23] <patdk-wk> used to be event.d
[13:23] <patdk-wk> and before that inittab :)
[13:23] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. guess I been out of the loop then. ;)
[13:23] <vega> yes, but question remains.. how to disable an upstart script?
[13:24] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having issues with ubuntu server karmic and upgrading to lucid
[13:24] <eagles0513875> Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall is the message i get near the start of upgrading
[13:25] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu has support for grsecurity and PaX these days, right?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> never noticed.
[13:26] <vega> this post seems to suggest a .noexec extension: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1351501 but what happens during upgrade?
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> Wasent there supposed tobe some 'feature' where you could move windows around by clicking on the titlebar or menu area and drag windows?
[13:26]  * patdk-wk spanks eagles0513875
[13:26] <eagles0513875> what patdk-wk
[13:27] <joris_> Does anybody know what happened with the F11 shortcut in openoffice?
[13:28] <joris_> It brings up fullscreen
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> gotten taken over by compiz perhaps
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> what did it used to do?
[13:28] <joris_> Styles and formatting
[13:28] <joris_> the most usefull shortcut...
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> I would check compiz to see if its got it maped to somthing else.
[13:38] <joris_> It seems intentional https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387562
[13:38] <vega> does ubuntu server also use upstart?
[13:38] <joris_> But the shortcut is not remapped
[13:38] <Psi-Jack> vega: Of course.
[13:38] <joris_> It is also not changed in the openoffice.org manual
[13:38] <vega> ... and there's no way to disable an init script (upstart job) ?
[13:38] <vega> uh
[13:39] <NET||abuse> not finding i'm happy with some of the changes in lucid,, gwibber doesn't minimize to the tray
[13:39] <Psi-Jack> I'm sure there is.
[13:39] <NET||abuse> it's awkward to close rhtyhmbox rather than just click the icon to hide to tray
[13:39] <vega> well, according to that bug (upstart developer included) and upstart.ubuntu.com docs, there isn't
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> rename the /etc/init/XXXXX script to be /etc/init/XXXX.DONT_RUN_ME  or move it to some DONTSTART dir
[13:39] <eagles0513875> bolloks
[13:39] <NET||abuse> i have no volume control indicator icon?
[13:39] <eagles0513875> :(
[13:39] <eagles0513875> no upgrading for me today
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> NET||abuse:  you removed  the envelope from your panel also?
[13:39] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: Wait... Ermmm.. What?
[13:39] <vega> Dr_Willis: what happens when you upgrade the package that contains the script? does that take into account it
[13:40] <eagles0513875> anyone have any idea of a possible work around for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/559582
[13:40] <NET||abuse> Dr_Willis, which panel item is that in?
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> vega:  from what i saw with Plymounth.. it  dident reinstall it.. but eventully i noticed it did.  so you have to keep an eye on it.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> NET||abuse:  some of thepanel applets are actually '2 in one' the mail icon and volume control - are both a single applet. with 2 icons.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> which is annoying
[13:40] <vega> Dr_Willis: that's not acceptable in a server environment, you can't expect a server admin to track that kind of things
[13:41] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: Is that seriously "the way" to stop an upstart init script from running at boot time? Move it out of the way?
[13:41] <vega> it cannot be
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> vega:  after the beta is out.. i imagine it wont change much.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> ive never noticed a boot option to disable a specific service
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> only just what ive read/skimmed from theupstart docs
[13:41] <vega> note to self: don't use ubuntu on servers..
[13:41] <JEEBsv> is ubuntu server no good? :3
[13:41] <Psi-Jack> No doubt.. If that's "the way."
[13:41] <Chipaca> do not use ubuntu desktop on servers :)
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> i dont even think theres an Upstart GUI tool yet.
[13:41] <JEEBsv> I use it personally
[13:42] <alvin> vega: see bug 548954
[13:42] <NET||abuse> Dr_Willis, what's the panel applets name then so i can add it back in?
[13:42]  * Psi-Jack cancels his installation of ubuntu 10.4 beta2
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> NET||abuse:  no idea. I go through them all and add/remove and figure out what ones do what.
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know a way to disable an old sysv service from the boot command line options
[13:42] <Psi-Jack> update-rc.d
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> Psi-Jack:  from the KERNEL command/boot options..
[13:43] <Psi-Jack> Oh yeah. You can't, from the kernel.
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> wasent that what he was asking?  :) or did i missread
[13:43] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: No
[13:43] <Psi-Jack> You misread. ;)
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> I dont think the service command has a way to disable an Upstart service.. yet..
[13:43] <jpds> Dr_Willis: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/94065
[13:44] <vega> yes, that's what i'm after
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> The 'upstart' docs/guides mention how the method to enable/disable the servies is left up to the disrto makers. (If i recall properly)
[13:44] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[13:44] <jpds> vega: Ubuntu is fine for servers.
[13:44] <Psi-Jack> Yet, ubuntu's the only distro using ubstart. ;)
[13:44] <Psi-Jack> upstart
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> actually I think theres a few others.
[13:44] <vega> alvin: one more reason not to abandon debian in servers in favor of ubuntu..
[13:44] <NET||abuse> Dr_Willis, found it, Indicator Applet
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> alias 'disableupstart' = 'sudo mv /etc/init/* /etc/init/whatever.disabled
[13:45] <vega> oh well, but it would be "kinda nice" to be able to disable services properly also in a desktop env..
[13:45] <alvin> The most critical bugs I've encountered in Ubuntu up to this day are upstart related
[13:45] <jpds> Psi-Jack: It isn't.
[13:46] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> vega:  its very possible it does rember and dosent readd them. ive not noticed.. and i also do dist-upgrades and stuff. so there may be cases wher it does or dosent
[13:46] <vega> Dr_Willis: that's not "proper" if an upgrade of the package re-enables the service
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> try it and see.
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> vega:  thats the bottom line.. try it and see.
[13:46] <jpds> Psi-Jack: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Upstart#Adoption
[13:46] <Psi-Jack> I thought OpenSolaris' SMF was interesting enough. But, this upstart sounds like a horrible idea.
[13:47] <Psi-Jack> No offense intended, of course.
[13:47] <jpds> Psi-Jack: Err, no, again; it isn't, it's just a radical change from the old, slow init.d scripts.
[13:48] <Psi-Jack> jpds: The idea is great. But without reasonable tools to manage it, it's as worthless as sysv-init without tools to manage it.
[13:48] <Psi-Jack> Manually making symlinks yourself was a pita.
[13:48] <alvin> Not calling it 'beta' is the biggest mistake.
[13:49] <Psi-Jack> alvin: yeah, and this being in LTS... That's frightening.
[13:50] <patdk-wk> hmm, I have had no issues with upstart in karmic at all
[13:50] <patdk-wk> so far none in lucid either
[13:50] <Pici> upstart was on Hardy as well, wasn't it?
[13:50] <patdk-wk> no
[13:50] <patdk-wk> event.d was
[13:50] <alvin> I've had plenty. You are probably not using NFS or LVM
[13:50] <Psi-Jack> patdk-wk: So how do you disable an upstart script from starting during the bootup phase?
[13:50] <patdk-wk> I normally comment out the exec line
[13:50] <Psi-Jack> Yeouch.
[13:50] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Yeah. Not going there. ;)
[13:51] <alvin> No, I said that wrong
[13:51] <NinoScript> Hi!
[13:51] <patdk-wk> Psi-Jack, same as with inittab :)
[13:51] <alvin> It's I *have* plenty. NFS mounts are won't fix in Karmic
[13:51] <mase_home> wait, whats wrong with upstart ?
[13:51] <patdk-wk> almost the same as init.d
[13:51] <mase_home> i love upstart
[13:51] <Psi-Jack> patdk-wk: That's a horrible way to do it. :p
[13:51] <NinoScript> What kind of packages are in the "partner" repositories? :O
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> mase_home:  ive rarely had issues with it .
[13:52] <mase_home> best init system i've seen on anything anywhere
[13:52] <alvin> Then you probably have <4 LVM volumes. Upstart can't handle (mount) more at boot
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> most people dont even notice its being used
[13:52] <vega> NinoScript: acroread, flash etc.
[13:52] <alvin> (in Lucid)
[13:52] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: I run only servers. I'd notice. :p
[13:52] <NinoScript> vega: flash player?
[13:52] <patdk-wk> I mostly only ever run servers
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> Psi-Jack:  i encounter people in #ubuntu  that never r4ealize it . untill they notice the rc-whatver command
[13:53] <vega> NinoScript: yes
[13:53] <mase_home> alvin, erm i have more than 4lvms but i use them as storage for KVM guests
[13:53] <patdk-wk> have 3 desktops, and about 16 servers
[13:53] <alvin> That 'best' init system halts boot when you have NFS fstab entries, and could crash boot entirely
[13:53] <mase_home> not sure if that makes a difference
[13:53] <alvin> mase_home: On Lucid?
[13:53] <mase_home> yeh
[13:53] <mase_home> i also had it with karmic
[13:53] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: Most people in #ubuntu are newbies or using Ubuntu for desktop use, and don't care. ;)
[13:53] <NinoScript> vega, isn't that on the normal repositories?
[13:53] <mase_home> what issue am i supposed to be running into ?
[13:53] <alvin> mase_home: bug 557909
[13:53] <vega> NinoScript: _adobe_ flash plugin is in partner repo
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> I dont care that they dont care. :)
[13:54] <vega> as is adobe reader and sun java plugin
[13:54]  * Dr_Willis has lost the thread.. but has to run. take care
[13:54] <NinoScript> vega: and what is that flash player on the other repos? :O
[13:54] <mase_home> alvin, maybe I don't hit it because i don't actually mount them. they get mounted by the guest
[13:55] <alvin> mase_home: That is probably the case. After the update, I couldn't mount /home
[13:55] <rye> In case somebody uses non-compiz GNOME and wonders why you drag one window but the other one gets dragged instead - bug #494096
[13:55] <mase_home> the second upstart starts handling file modification events i'll be in heaven.
[13:55] <NinoScript> vega: it says "Adobe Flash plugin"
[13:56] <alvin> Then, after I removed 2 mounted snapshots, instead of /home, a snashot of /home was mounted in /home... (Who decided that lvm volumes needed to be mounted by UUID while snapshots have THE SAME UUID?)
[13:56] <Psi-Jack> Well, yeah. Seems I won't be using Ubuntu. Now that I know about upstart's issues.
[13:56] <Psi-Jack> Have fun, I'm out. :)
[13:56] <mase_home> alvin, i'm sure upstart isn't perfect but conceptually it's brilliant and i've managed to get rid of a whole bunch of hacks because of it.
[13:56] <mase_home> each to their own i guess
[13:56] <vega> NinoScript: not sure, seems to be some kind of downloader package
[13:56] <alvin> But well, Lucid is still beta. Have patience
[13:57] <alvin> I tried explaining that at work, but everybody failed to see past the failed boots
[14:03] <JediMaster> hi guys, I'm trying to do-release-upgrade -d on a karmic install on a virtual machine but it fails right at the start with: Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall
[14:04] <NinoScript> vega, I found this link: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/partner/binary-i386/Packages I see flash, lots of something2swf stuff, java stuff and "fluendo-plugins" for gstreamer… just that
[14:04] <JediMaster> am I right in thinking this is something to do with fstab, as it's customised by the web interface that that sets up the virtual machines?
[14:04] <NinoScript> how are fluendo plugins? :P
[14:04] <Pici> JediMaster: Someone else just was talking about this in #ubuntu-bugs, see bug #559582
[14:08] <vince_> hey guys :)
[14:08] <NinoScript> hello :)
[14:08] <vince_> so...guess you know what question i'm gonna ask :p
[14:09] <JediMaster> Pici, thanks
[14:11] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, you know that nvidia issue you mentioned yesterday? what is it?
[14:11] <vince_> Am i gonna need to make a clean install on the day of Lucid release ? I'm running the beta2 atm
[14:11] <yofel> !beta | vince_
[14:12] <vince_> Thanks, I just wanted to be sure
[14:14] <MichaelKohler> I tested Lucid for several weeks now, but now my notebook lost power (was not plugged in) and shut down. After the manual restart it is always stuck at the login screen and I can't move the mouse and the keyboard.. Why's that?
[14:15] <Ian_Corne> were you updating while this happened?
[14:16] <MichaelKohler> oh, damn, I guess I was
[14:16] <JediMaster> Pici, seems to be to do with mountall not being able to start the swap properly
[14:17] <JediMaster> Pici, mountall gives me: "swapon: /dev/xvdb: swapon failed: Device or resource busy", "mountall: swapon /dev/xvdb [13089] terminated with status 255", "mountall: Problem activating swap: /dev/xvdb"
[14:17] <MichaelKohler> Ian_Corne: shall I post the last lines of /var/logs/syslog on pastebin?
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> You system could verywell be just totaly broken
[14:17] <JediMaster> Pici, even though the swap is working when swapoff'ing it and mountall (with no error)
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> you can go to recovery mode and continue the updates
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> and then try to boot
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> I've had the same issue and was forced to reinstall as nothing helped
[14:18] <MichaelKohler> Ian_Corne: I have disabled the GRUB menu, any other way to go into the recovery mode?
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> hold down shift while booting
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> or get a live-cd and chroot to your system
[14:19] <MichaelKohler> Ian_Corne: ok, thanks, I'll try
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> I wouldn't disable grub menu when you're on a pre-release :p
[14:20] <MichaelKohler> sounds reasonable :P
[14:29] <vince_> guys
[14:30] <vince_> can I install virtualbox for ubuntu 9.10 on my 10.04 ?
[14:30] <vince_> :/
[14:31] <yofel> vince_: why would you do that?
[14:31] <vince_> because on their website, there's no 10.04 version
[14:31] <nezticle> How do I set the group for devices enumerated in /dev/input/ (event*,mouse*) in 10.04?  It doesn't appear to use my udev policy anymore
[14:31] <vince_> I'm talking about the non OSE version
[14:32] <charlie-tca> vince_: yes, and most things will even work
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Or you can install from the package manager
[14:32] <bazhang> !final
[14:32] <yofel> ah, yes, they don't have a lucid package yet
[14:33] <bazhang> Steinex ^^
[14:33] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[14:33] <Malkavian_> hi; using Lucid Beta 2 and just updated the system; now it won't boot up with the new Kernel, it would just die in text mode; has anyone any idea?
[14:33] <charlie-tca> thiebaude: still valid?
[14:34] <thiebaude> yes still does not shutdown, charlie-tca
[14:34] <thiebaude> it just redstarts
[14:34] <Malkavian_> I can boot the old Kernel 2.6.32-19 but the new 2.6.32-20 wont even start
[14:35] <thiebaude> restarts
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Needs information
[14:36] <vince_> !ask
[14:36] <Malkavian_> does anyone experienced the same?
[14:36] <jpds> Malkavian_: /topic
[14:37] <charlie-tca> thiebaude: I'll comment on what is needed on the bug
[14:37] <Freak_NL> Hello #+1, the latest kernel update (20) doesn't boot (previous ones do). I have no idea what is wrong, or where, but I did take a picture of the kernel output on screen. Could someone help me file a bug?
[14:38] <MagicFab> Freak_NL, it's most likely a duplicate of this one:
[14:38] <MagicFab> [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken!
[14:38] <thiebaude> charlie-tca, ok thanks
[14:38] <Freak_NL> MagicFab, a duplicate of?
[14:38] <Freak_NL> A there it is
[14:39] <MagicFab> bug #561151
[14:39] <Freak_NL> Bit hard to read in XChat
[14:39] <MagicFab> Judging from other reports I believe it affects more than thinkpads.
[14:40] <MagicFab> You should apport-collect 561151 if you're certain it's the same bug.
[14:40] <Freak_NL> It's not a Thinkpad, but it looks similar
[14:41] <Malkavian_> I also have a Toshiba laptop and it acts like that
[14:42] <Freak_NL> Asus M51SN
[14:43] <Freak_NL> Does this look like the same bug? Picture 1 is a fresh boot after a working boot with -19, picture 2 is what it shows after a hard shutdown and boot
[14:43] <Freak_NL> http://imagebin.ca/view/NaACuR2b.html
[14:43] <Freak_NL> http://imagebin.ca/view/AhEwbr.html
[14:44] <Freak_NL> The second time it does end in ACPI
[14:44] <jeiworth> hmm anyone already noticed that current kmail sends back invitation replies in the name of the invitor and not the invitee? ^^
[14:48] <Freak_NL> Not only Thinkpads
[14:49] <charlie-tca> thiebaude: request made on the bug
[14:49] <thiebaude> charlie-tca, thanks very much
[14:50] <charlie-tca> you are welcome. I subscribed to it so I will know when you add the files
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> wait wait
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> .20 removed??
[14:51] <thiebaude> BUGabundo_remote, :)
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> I instaled it last night
[14:51] <Freak_NL> Hangs a bunch of laptops
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> should I reboot to 19 ?
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> man I just purged .15, 16,17 and .18 :(
[14:51] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_remote: -20 seems to be a big problem
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> wfm so far
[14:51] <charlie-tca> -19 works for most people
[14:51] <Freak_NL> It seems to be a problem that either happens at boot, or not
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote>  14:51:40 up  7:26,  6 users,  load average: 0.35, 0.45, 0.42
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> 7h up no prob so far
[14:52] <charlie-tca> you must just be lucky
[14:52] <thiebaude> or shutting down
[14:56] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: I can't always have all the probs!
[14:56] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:56] <charlie-tca> But to not have one of this importance?
[14:59] <BUGabundo_remote> YAY
[15:00]  * charlie-tca thinks BUGabundo_remote finally misses out on a bug
[15:01] <switchgirl> firefox keeps filling with lines
[15:01] <NET||abuse> hmm, getting a ton of telepathy crashes......
[15:03] <MichaelKohler> Ian_Corne: thanks for your help. I was able to chroot to my system and then finish the upgrade and now I can log in :)
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> nice :)
[15:04] <vince_> guys
[15:04] <MichaelKohler> Ian_Corne: had a few errors because of the chroot, but I'll upgrade again on the "normal" machine.
[15:04] <MichaelKohler> to upgrade the last few packages
[15:04] <vince_> do yu think final users are gonna have the choice between buttons on the left and buttons on the right ? or Canonical already made a final decision?
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> vince_: the choice is there between themes I think
[15:06] <vince_> Ian_Corne, it doesn't appear so
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> It does for me
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> if I pick clearlooks
[15:07] <vince_> alrite
[15:07] <vince_> it just a matter of themes then
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> Yes
[15:07] <vince_> i though it was system deep
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> Well, it's adjustable in gconf
[15:07] <vince_> yes, but the buttons order is different
[15:08] <vince_> clearlooks is fine
[15:08] <vince_> dust is not
[15:08] <vince_> ;)
[15:08] <switchgirl> http://www.flickr.com/photos/33346930@N05/4514821428/ keeps looking like this
[15:08] <vince_> ok, time to reboot
[15:09] <switchgirl> this is banshee and the white space is my edit
[15:09]  * vince_ is praying for the reboot to go fine
[15:10] <MichaelKohler> Ian_Corne: upgrade completed. I'll going off now. thanks again for your help
[15:14] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: or my FS will explod on next reboot
[15:15] <charlie-tca> likey
[15:15] <charlie-tca> likely
[15:16] <Ian_Corne> hello BUGabundo_remote :)
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> hey Ian_Corne
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> I'll need your help to bat charlie-tca down, when I reboot my laptop tonigh
[15:17] <Ian_Corne> Ha :p
[15:18] <TommyThaGun> is anyone else thoroughly impressed the latest update?
[15:18] <thiebaude> im impressed with 10.04:)
[15:18] <TommyThaGun> with the* latest update
[15:18] <TommyThaGun> well yeah, me oo
[15:18] <TommyThaGun> too
[15:18] <thiebaude> except for the shutdown issue
[15:18] <JediMaster> is there any other way to upgrade to lucid from karmic on the server edition other than the broken do-release-upgrade -d?
[15:18] <Freak_NL> I noticed the single "close window" button used for tool-windows like GIMP's tool window is visually fixed now
[15:19] <Freak_NL> Although the latest update also broke the kernel for a number of laptops :)
[15:19] <TommyThaGun> JediMaster, I did update-manager -d
[15:19] <jmfthevci> thiebaude: Shutdown issue? Or intermitten Won't shutdown issue?
[15:19] <TommyThaGun> I saw that Freak_NL, it looks like compaqs
[15:20] <thiebaude> when i click on shutdown the computer restarts jmfthevci
[15:20] <Freak_NL> My Asus too
[15:20] <TommyThaGun> oh really?
[15:20] <TommyThaGun> I'm on an Acer, and it it blazing fast now
[15:20] <Freak_NL> I think the -20 kernel is removed from the updates already
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> JediMaster:
[15:20] <JediMaster> TommyThaGun, running ubuntu server, so no GUI
[15:20] <TommyThaGun> oh really?
[15:21] <Ian_Corne> you can always update to the latest 9.10
[15:21] <jmfthevci> When I click on Shutdown and then Shutdown or Restart my NC10 (10.04 B1) will mostly do nothing. Leading to a trip to the terminal and sudo shutdown -h/-r
[15:21] <Ian_Corne> and then change your apt/sources.list files
[15:21] <thiebaude> im using the -20 kernel
[15:21] <Ian_Corne> to point to lucid
[15:21] <Ian_Corne> and do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:21] <Freak_NL> thiebaude, seems a hit-or-miss kernel
[15:21] <TommyThaGun> what Ian_Corne is saying makes sense
[15:21] <jmfthevci> -20 on my T61 is dead. I've not updated my NC10 to -20 yet.
[15:21] <thiebaude> ok
[15:21] <TommyThaGun> that's essetially what update-manager -d does
[15:21] <Ian_Corne> Yes
[15:22] <thiebaude> because i had this problem before beta1 with beta 1 and now beta 2
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> update manager will also disable ppa's and other sources added tho
[15:22] <TommyThaGun> NC10? is that the Dell I hear a lot about?
[15:22] <TommyThaGun> right, it adds # to non official lucid ppas
[15:22] <jmfthevci> I've only seen the variable shutdown issue with Beta1
[15:23] <JediMaster> From what I've heard do-release-upgrade does more than just change apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade
[15:23]  * thiebaude wonders if plymouth is causing it somehow
[15:23] <jmfthevci> NC10 - Samsung. Excellent bit of kit. Best in equivalent netbook spec range
[15:23] <JediMaster> I'm perfectly happy to do that, as I have done with many a debian version years ago
[15:24] <jmfthevci> On my NC10, which boots faster than my Lenovo T61, I don't see the plymouth splash. It goes straight to login prompt.
[15:24] <jmfthevci> (login GUI)
[15:24] <TommyThaGun> me too jmfthevci, I don't get a spash on boot
[15:24] <TommyThaGun> I get one on shutdown though
[15:25] <jmfthevci> Is Plymouth only for "slow" machines?
[15:25] <mdlueck> I have been having trouble with Lucid dailies running in a VirtualBox session. Load it up, install the guest additions, come back another day to find the NIC no longer working. Reloading the VM has been my resolution. Anyone else seeing this?
[15:25] <dvheumen> hi/exit
[15:25] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[15:25] <TommyThaGun> random
[15:25] <jmfthevci> TommyThaGun: I can't say that I always see plymouth on shutdown.
[15:26] <sint> hey, when will 10.4 be released official?
[15:26] <jmfthevci> I'm not really bothered about the splash screen as long as it boots. -20 does not. -19 does.
[15:26] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/308708
[15:26] <TommyThaGun> sint, the 29th
[15:26] <Ian_Corne> anyone got an idea how to fix this without a workaround?
[15:26] <sint> k, thx :)
[15:26] <jmfthevci> !release dates
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> who who my car is ready :)
[15:27] <Pici> !schedule
[15:27] <sint> thought about reinstalling, but then i have to wait a few more days.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[15:28] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, hey there
[15:28] <BluesKaj> hi thiebaude
[15:28] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj
[15:29] <TommyThaGun> you don't want to upgrade sint?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo_remote
[15:29] <mdlueck> Has the memory check been taken off of the live CD?
[15:29] <sint> TommyThaGun: for some reason, i usually prefer reinstalling with the new version. i did a couple of upgrades and was never really happy about them
[15:29] <mdlueck> I see no boot menu, CD simply starts booting.
[15:30] <under> Hi. I've installed compiz in my Ubuntu 10.04 Remix, but I've to active it manually. How can active it at startup?
[15:30] <b__> how do i stop the auto screen lock in lucid lynx??
[15:30] <BluesKaj> wow, revenue canada claims to suppoort FF and kubuntu , but i can't get in , gotta use windows .,..damm java probs
[15:30] <mdlueck> b__: Screensaver preferences
[15:30] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: yup
[15:30] <b__> under go to synaptic package manager  type compiz in search
[15:30] <b__> mdlueck, thanks
[15:31] <sint> TommyThaGun: the other problem is, i am with 9.4 right now and its not to much stable anymore. i broke a couple of things by playing to much in /etc or something :D
[15:31] <under> b__: is installed
[15:31] <BluesKaj> oops wrong room
[15:32] <mdlueck> Anyone know if it is an official decision to remover memtest86 from the live CD boot options?
[15:32] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: yes
[15:32] <mdlueck> OK, why?! ;-)
[15:32] <charlie-tca> If you let it boot, it comes up with a new menu screen, at the language selection
[15:32] <mdlueck> Yes I see that.
[15:32] <charlie-tca> You can choose install or try without installing
[15:32] <b__> under  anyone know where to download compiz pre built profiles??
[15:33] <mdlueck> Just was handy to not have to drag an extra CD along just to run memtest86
[15:33] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: less confusion, I think
[15:33] <under> boh
[15:33] <mdlueck> Ah well, thanks charlie-tca
[15:33] <charlie-tca> You could always use Xubuntu. It still has the old menu
[15:34] <mdlueck> Frazzle-razzle! Window icons back in the wrong corner on today's daily CD!
[15:34] <b__> lucid lynx netbook remix is not LTS rite?
[15:37] <JediMaster> bahh! apt-get dist-upgrade fails as well as do-release-upgrade
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> on what does it fail JediMaster ?
[15:37] <arand> It seems like hardy2lucid upgrades are currently broken, is it known?
[15:37] <JediMaster> Ian_Corne, bug 559582
[15:38] <Ian_Corne> oh
[15:38] <mdlueck> Anyone else testing with xfs filesystem? Between 4/1 and 4/12 that has gotten broken. Trying to use ext4 on /boot, xfs on / and /home. Fails to format / partition.
[15:39] <myk_robinson> this morning's updates hosed my install :(
[15:39] <myk_robinson> works fine if I boot to the previous kernel
[15:39] <myk_robinson> perhaps I manually updated in the middle of things being uploaded
[15:39] <myk_robinson> Will keep trying updates throughout the day and see if it gets fixed
[15:39] <csgeek> I tried to do a dist-upgrade on my Lucid install and I keep getting:  Quit gPodder
[15:39] <csgeek> uhmm.. wrong paste buffer
[15:39] <csgeek> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-20-generic_2.6.32-20.29_amd64.deb
[15:40] <csgeek> that's the error ..
[15:40] <z0rt> window 1
[15:40] <z0rt> whoops!
[15:41] <TiGR[rus]> Hi there! I have ubuntu lucid beta 2, and I have the problem that system switches to tty's not by alt+ctrl+f*, but by alt+f*
[15:42] <mdlueck> TiGR[rus]: Do you happen to be running Lucid in a VirtualBox VM session by any chance?
[15:43] <TiGR[rus]> nope
[15:43] <TiGR[rus]> Also one thing to notice is that if I restart gdm, everything starts working okay, at least it won't switch from X to tty
[15:43] <TiGR[rus]> But it would still switch between ttys
[15:43] <mdlueck> OK, that at least has special capabilities to allow differentiation between host/guest OS.
[15:45] <TiGR[rus]> This system I am using was upgraded from jaunty to karmic and then to lucid, so that's not clean install.
[15:49] <m_anish> Hi I am facing a peculiar problem.. I have just installed ubuntu-lucid-beta2 and installed the sugar-emulator-0.88 package (there is some bug in karmic that doesn't allow sugar-emulator/xephyr to work)... anyways sugar-emulator is now working in lucid but it seems to have screwed up my touchpad settings. When I left-click instead of performing the normal left-click operation it turns the normal pointer to a hand... I have to use CTRL+Left click to ma
[15:49] <m_anish> ke left click work. Any ideas how to fix this?
[15:51] <b__> what type of bugs are in lucid so far?.. i00m0 new to u00b0untu just got lucid up0 n ru0nni00bng
[15:52] <b__> do splash screen at 0start up hog a bit more resources?
[15:53] <m_anish> Problem solved! Installed compizconfig-settings-manager and performed "reset to default" .... thanks to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/90918
[15:53] <z0rt> if i install the beta from karmic netbook remix will it be the netbook beta?
[15:53] <Varth> After upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 beta, boot hangs after selecting Ubuntu from the GRUB menu. It doesn't give me any error messages. does anyone know what could be going on?
[15:55] <ChogyDan> Varth: do you have a thinkpad?  :)
[15:55] <JSund> Varth: might be the new boot screen, try booting without quiet splash
[15:55] <Varth> ChogyDan: I have an S10 ideapad
[15:55] <TiGR[rus]> Varth: known bug
[15:55] <Varth> JSund: How would I go about doing that?
[15:56] <TiGR[rus]> using nvidia-96?
[15:56] <JSund> Varth: I don't know what the bug is about, but I chose to edit the entry in grub (press E), removed "quiet splash" from the boot options and then booted with Ctrl-X
[15:57] <Varth> JSund: I'll give it a shot. Be back in a minute.
[15:57] <mungojerry> TiGR[rus], do you know the bug id please?
[15:58] <ChogyDan> is it bug #561151 from the topic?
[15:58] <TiGR[rus]> I think I misunderstood you. You say grub, but I thought that it was gdm %)
[15:59] <mungojerry> ok, i have the one TIGR[rus] is referring to . i have geforce 52000  card and the only way to get gdm login was to remove quiet splash
[15:59] <TiGR[rus]> GDM bug I meant is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/553200
[16:00] <mungojerry> hmm, i had no yet installed the nvidia drivers, so may be different, thanks anyway
[16:00] <TiGR[rus]> Another way is to remove gdm theme
[16:00] <TiGR[rus]> It might affect others, it just was confirmed with nvidia drivers only.
[16:06] <Varth> JSund: I'm back. When I booted without the quiet splash option, it hanged at this line: 6.636698 ] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk.
[16:07] <LordNeo> Good afternoon, I'm having an issue with the session, i don't have enabled automatic login, and after i put my user and password, the screen blinks twice and then the GDM sound plays and i'm back into the login screen. Thanks for reading and helping
[16:07] <JSund> that might help someone else find the problem, but unfortunately I'm not that good at debugging boot problems
[16:07] <Varth> JSund: Okay. Thank you for your help.
[16:07] <JSund> no problem
[16:07] <jmfthevci> Varth: Is this with the -20 kernel? Did you uppdate with fixes today?
[16:08] <TiGR[rus]> LodrNeo: nvidia?
[16:08] <Varth> It is with the .20 kernel. I updated last night.
[16:08] <jmfthevci> bug 561140
[16:08] <LordNeo> nope, i have it on a virtual machine (virtualbox)
[16:08] <Lord_Rahl> Anyone know how to remove the text beside icons
[16:08] <ChogyDan> Varth: it is in the topic.  You need to boot with an older kernel for now
[16:08] <TiGR[rus]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/553200
[16:09] <jmfthevci> Varth: The -19 kernel is still OK.
[16:09] <scott_ino2> yikes, 230MB in updates in 4 days
[16:10] <TiGR[rus]> It updated to beta2
[16:10] <LordNeo> TiGR[rus], i'm able to insert my password, and the mouse doesn't stop working, the screen blink once (with background) then blink to black screen and then back to GDM
[16:10] <LordNeo> it's beta2, updated
[16:11] <LordNeo> eventho, not really sure, because i don't see the grub screen at the begining to confirm if there is more kernells avaiable
[16:12] <TiGR[rus]> The problem I am referring to also leads to gdm restart, as you describe
[16:12] <spine55-work> does anyone know how to move the title bar buttons from the left to the right?
[16:13] <scott_ino2> TiGR[rus], ahh i see well sweet
[16:13] <chorse> did the nvidia driver break with a recent update?
[16:14] <scott_ino2> spine55-work, you can apparently do it in gconf-editor, however I haven't looked into it further
[16:14] <LordNeo> i will try to bypass GDM as described
[16:16] <duffydack> How can i unlock the top panel components in netbook remix so i can add stuff like netspeed there?   there is no option in lucid yet
[16:17] <JediMaster> btw, when did php 5.3.2 make it into lucid?
[16:17] <JediMaster> last time I looked it was still 5.2.x
[16:17] <JEEBsv> it has been for quite a while
[16:17] <JediMaster> fantastic news though, would have been a big pain in the arse if 5.3.x wasn't in the new LTS
[16:19] <freckle> hi, i am trying to setup printing on UNR, when I starting the printing app and say connect to localhost CUPS it complains CUPS is not running, any ideas anyone?
[16:22] <bjsnider> chorse, which one?
[16:23] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, the nvidia issue i mentioned yesterday was the jockey: not showing any activated driver for nvidia an saying "a different version of this driver is in use"
[16:27] <yotta911>  Folks, i downloaded an image of Lucid beta and checked MD5, it's ok. But, VirtualBox aways sucks on running the iso. What i can do?
[16:27] <MichaelKohler> I now get a "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WindowListApplet"." error after the login. Is this known?
[16:27] <MichaelKohler> yotta911: what's the error message?
[16:28] <jonatan> hi! :)
[16:28] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, ok, that is fixed.
[16:28] <yotta911> The screens freezes when i select "Try Ubuntu..."
[16:29] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, nice! - thanks for letting me know :)
[16:30] <MichaelKohler> yotta911: try to chose "check integrity of the disc"
[16:30] <jonatan> I got a problem, when i installed 10.4 yesterday i got errors when the fglrx-package was installed, now, i cant fix the broken packages because fglrx is erroring and stopping the update...
[16:31] <Varth> I tried rebooting with an older kernel, but all I have are 31.20 and 32.20, neither of which work. Do I have any other options, or do I need to do a fresh reinstall?
[16:31] <yotta911>  MichaelKohler: Freezes, also
[16:32] <yotta911> md5: d5c257bb85664afc97d62b04a5994f02 *ubuntu-10.04-beta2-desktop-i386.iso
[16:32] <glphvgacs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/412831/
[16:34] <charlie-tca> yotta911: increase the memory available
[16:34] <glphvgacs> 2.6.31-20-powerpc64-smp
[16:35] <Machtin> i got a problem, which isn't really lucid-related.. but i thought you guys might be able to help me: i have two pdf-scans: one pdf contains all back-pages and one contains all front pages.. is there any software with which i can combine these easily, without doing it for every page manually?
[16:36] <glphvgacs> do-release-upgrade -d : http://paste.ubuntu.com/412831/
[16:36] <yotta911> charlie-tca: Main: 991 Mb Video: 32 Mb
[16:36] <glphvgacs> uname: 2.6.31-20-powerpc64-smp
[16:37] <jonatan> noone who can help me?
[16:38] <yotta911> charlie-tca: Keep freezing
[16:38] <AK> Guys do u know any adobe software for Markup from Synaptics, worked as PDF Change Viewer
[16:38] <charlie-tca> yotta911: I am running VBox 3.1.6 in Lucid, using 384MB ram, 32MB video for each machine with no problems
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Could it be a bad image, even though it passes md5?
[16:39] <yotta911> MD5 is ok, d5c257bb85664afc97d62b04a5994f02
[16:40] <vince> Hi, i've got a problem with the nvidia drivers when I enable those fancy compiz effects
[16:40] <yotta911> charlie-tca: I'm using VB 3.0.  Any issue?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> That doesn't mean the image is not bad
[16:40] <freckle> hi, i am trying to setup printing on UNR, when I starting the printing app and say connect to localhost CUPS it complains CUPS is not running, any ideas anyone?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> yoasif: 3.0 doesn't work right in lucid
[16:40] <charlie-tca> you need to update it
[16:40] <vince> The system keeps using those dodgy 173 drivers...
[16:40] <vince> instead of the brand new :/
[16:41] <AK> any adobe software for Markup from Synaptics, worked as PDF Change Viewer
[16:41] <yotta911> I'm givin up.....
[16:41] <jonatan> is there any way to force-fix broken packages?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> yotta911: is isn't working because it is out of date
[16:42] <charlie-tca> jonatan: apt-get force , I think
[16:42] <tritium> Looks like apt-get and update-manager don't honor HTTP_PROXY env. var. any longer.,
[16:43] <jonatan> sudo apt-get force upgrade?
[16:43] <yotta911> charlie-tca: Upgrading..... Thanks....
[16:43] <charlie-tca> jonatan: sudo apt-get install -f
[16:44] <charlie-tca> if I recall correctly
[16:44] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: do-release-upgrade -d : http://paste.ubuntu.com/412831/
[16:44] <charlie-tca> glphvgacs: to fix broken packages?
[16:44] <AK> any adobe software for Markup from Synaptics, worked as PDF Change Viewer
[16:44] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: to install lucid
[16:44] <charlie-tca> That was not the question I answered. but thanks anyway
[16:45] <MikeChelen> anyone else have a problem with ubuntu one bookmark sync, where firefox window "bindwood: migrating older bookmarks" never finishes?
[16:45] <jonatan> Why do i need to install fglrx anyways? My card isnt supported...
[16:46] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: can you help me  with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/412831/ pls
[16:46] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: do-release-upgrade -d says this  http://paste.ubuntu.com/412831/
[16:47] <charlie-tca> glphvgacs: comment out that repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:47] <charlie-tca> It may not be valid in lucid
[16:47] <charlie-tca> What port are you trying to upgrade?
[16:47] <Ascavasaion> I am running 10.04 and I upgraded via System>Administration>Update Manager to 2.6.32-20-generic this morning, and when I rebooted it froze and refuses to go any further...  I typed out the last four lines before it froze http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/413186/  I have booted into the 2.6.32-19-generic kernel to get here to ask your advice.
[16:47] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: uname: 2.6.31-20-powerpc64-smp
[16:47] <jonatan> Well, im rebooting and hoping for the best, thanks for all help :)
[16:48] <charlie-tca> That is invalid right now, I think
[16:48] <ChogyDan> Ascavasaion: just remove -20 and see topic
[16:48] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: i don't have any commented repo in source.list
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I keep seeing the powerpc ports are invalid at this time
[16:48] <Ascavasaion> ChogyDan: Aaah, thank you man... I have a thinkpad :)  Brilliant!
[16:50] <glphvgacs> charlie-tca: img does exist, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ not sure if that means i can upgrade
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Hmmm, I don't know then. Is your network connection breaking up?
[16:50] <glphvgacs> not really
[16:50] <charlie-tca> sorry
[16:54] <eagles0513875> JediMaster:
[16:55] <JediMaster> eagles0513875...
[16:55] <JediMaster> eagles0513875, did you try the upgrade?
[16:55] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: there is a work around for bug 559582
[16:55] <eagles0513875> and its successful
[16:55] <skrite99> hey all
[16:55] <eagles0513875> j/w what kernel is lucid running
[16:55] <eagles0513875> !info kernel
[16:56] <TommyThaGun> !kernel
[16:56] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[16:56] <JediMaster> eagles0513875, do you mean *my* workaround? (Tom here!)
[16:56] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: heheh ya
[16:56] <eagles0513875> it works but i dont think it upgrades the kernel
[16:56] <JediMaster> hehe, glad to hear it works
[16:57] <JediMaster> really? did for me, what's your uname -a?
[16:57] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: i can confirm though
[16:57] <eagles0513875> kernel isnt upgraded
[16:57] <vitium> chromium keeps showing me the oh snap! page
[16:57] <Josh007> My alsa_record_playback_internal fails while performing system testing for Audio tests / record from Sound Recorder. Please advise anyone to fix ..
[16:57] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: server is on 2.6.31-20
[16:57] <MichaelKohler> When starting up (log in) or adding something to the panel (e.g. "Window List"), I get a "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WindowListApplet"." error.. How can I fix this?
[16:57] <JediMaster> eagles0513875, ahh yeah, sorry I forgot on my virtual machine the host automatically inserts the latest kernel: 2.6.32-x86_64-linode11
[16:58] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: could i just do sudo apt-get install KERNEL that way
[16:59] <JediMaster> eagles0513875, try something liek sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[16:59] <JediMaster> eagles0513875, or linux-image-server
[16:59] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: strange i just did an apt-cache search and its not listing 32 version
[17:01] <JediMaster> eagles0513875, linux-image-generic should point to a version that will work
[17:02] <eagles0513875> apt-cache policy shows the candidate to be 32 but i have 31 installed
[17:02] <kklimonda> we had a kernel roll back today and it was the only 2.6.32 kernel afair
[17:02] <eagles0513875> kklimonda:  O_o
[17:02]  * kklimonda is actually checking it
[17:02] <eagles0513875> what you mean what version of the kernel should be on lucid
[17:03] <kklimonda> eagles0513875: 2.6.32-20 was removed from server as it had a nasty bug that made it unbootable on some thinkpads
[17:03]  * JediMaster loves the automatically installed/upgraded/inserted kernels from linode.com's servers - paravirt kernels =)
[17:04] <mungojerry> does lucid have the annoying update-manager popup that was introduced in 9.04?
[17:04] <eagles0513875> kklimonda: why then does apt-cache policy linux-image-server show otherwise
[17:04] <kklimonda> eagles0513875: it shows "2.6.32.20.21" here
[17:04] <kklimonda> eagles0513875: you sure you are on lucid?
[17:05] <eagles0513875> i had to use JediMaster's work around to upgrade from karmic to lucid as mountall using do-release-upgrade -d is broken
[17:06] <eagles0513875> kklimonda: here is the bug report for it 559582
[17:07] <Sebas> when I boot a live session with beta2 the boot splash seems fine but after install the splash image seems 256 colors and not the right resolution.. how can I fix this?
[17:07] <kklimonda> Sebas: do you change your video drivers in the meantime?
[17:07] <Sebas> yes installed the nvidia via jockey
[17:08] <eagles0513875> kklimonda: i should be ok in regards to the kernel version im on or should i uninstall and reinstlal linux-image-server
[17:08] <kklimonda> Sebas: you can either use nouveau and have a nice splash of nvidia and have a good 3d support
[17:08] <kklimonda> eagles0513875: no idea, if it reports 2.6.31.. then something is wrong
[17:08] <Sebas> kklimonda: thanx :)
[17:09] <jonatan> how to remove sources?
[17:09] <jonatan> nbm
[17:09] <jonatan> *nvm
[17:09] <eagles0513875> kklimonda: :( what would happen if i removed the kernel and reinstalled with the newer version
[17:09] <eagles0513875> also im getting an unmet dependency issue when trying to install linux-image-server
[17:11] <jonatan> "E: fglrx: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2"
[17:11] <ZykoticK9> Sebas, actually increasing Plymouth's resolution with Nvidia if fairly straight forward -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[17:12] <Sebas> ZykoticK9: Thank you very much :)
[17:13] <jonatan> Failed to fetch http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-20-generic_2.6.32-20.29_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.163 80] is it down?
[17:13] <eagles0513875> JediMaster: any idea re kernel
[17:13] <jpds> jonatan: /topic.
[17:14] <eagles0513875> jpds: there is 32-23 i believe in repo
[17:14] <eagles0513875> not sure about desktop version but for server thats whats in there
[17:14] <jpds> eagles0513875: I dunno, I know that that kernel got blacklisted and a fix is en route.
[17:14] <eagles0513875> jpds 32-21 on server is that affected by channel message
[17:15] <chorse> bjsnider: the non-free "nvidia" one, it doesn't work for me since the last upgrade which brought 2.6.32-20
[17:15] <jonatan> how come i cant fetch updates in update manager, when "sudo apt-get upgrade" works fine?
[17:15] <eagles0513875> jpd any ideas as to this issue bug 559582
[17:15] <agronholm_> I just worked around it 1 minute ago
[17:15] <jpds> eagles0513875: No.
[17:15] <eagles0513875> jpds: any ideas ^ JediMaster gave a work around but its anoying to not be able to use do-release-upgrade -d
[17:15] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:16] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: i did as well im wondering about the kernel
[17:16] <mrenouf> Ahaha. yup... another thinkpad user :-(
[17:16] <agronholm_> eagles0513875, what about the kernel
[17:16] <agronholm_> I just rebooted the server, came back online fine
[17:16] <mrenouf> so I should downgrade to 2.6.32.19 ?
[17:16] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: whats ur version then
[17:17] <agronholm_> kernel 2.6.32-20-server
[17:17] <jmfthevci> eagles0513875: the -20 kernel issue is not just a thinkpad issue.
[17:17] <jpds> jonatan: Update Manager probably doesn't handle errors like apt-get does.
[17:17] <jmfthevci> mrenouf: -19 kernel is working
[17:18] <agronholm_> what problems are you having
[17:18] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: strange how yours upgraded and mine didnt im still on the 31 kernel after the work around for that bug jmfthevci im still on the karmic kernel it seems
[17:18] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: no problems
[17:18] <eagles0513875> bug 561151
[17:19] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: how did you with the work around get ur kernel up to 32 lucid kernel im still using 31 is my question
[17:19] <jmfthevci> bug 561140 is the same but affecting other non-thinkpads
[17:19] <agronholm_> I didn't do anything special
[17:20] <agronholm_> I upgraded my box using the exact same method as provided in the comments of the launchpad issue
[17:20] <mrenouf> jmfthevci, what symptoms might I see? right now my system hangs at startup with a blinking cursor... best I can tell it's dying during 'mountall' complaining about Plymouth?
[17:20] <eagles0513875> same here
[17:20] <eagles0513875> strange
[17:20] <mrenouf> jmfthevci, but it could have been an imcomplete update
[17:20] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: 32bit or 64bit
[17:20] <agronholm_> 64
[17:21] <jmfthevci> mrenouf: it varies as to what you see. I get a kernel partial boot stopping just after isapnp,,,
[17:21] <jonatan> Can anyone tell me how to remove a un-removable package? ^^
[17:21] <eagles0513875> agronholm_: strange O_o humm
[17:22] <eagles0513875> runnning apt-get update and dist-upgrade if any updates have come down the pipline
[17:22] <mrenouf> jmfthevci, ok I will retest with -19. but the same thing happens on my karmic kernel (2.6.31-20)
[17:23] <TommyThaGun> I hope they don't change the -20 kernel too much. Something about it makes my computer blaze
[17:24] <jmfthevci> mrenouf: i boot to 2.6.32-19 which is a lucid kernel and no problems. whats your reason for the karmic kernel?
[17:24] <mrenouf> jmfthevci, left over from upgrade
[17:24] <TommyThaGun> has anyone else had a problem with gdesklets in lucid? It hasn't worked for me at all
[17:25] <mrenouf> jmfthevci, wait I still have 2.6.32-19
[17:25] <mrenouf> jmfthevci, so it must be a different issue
[17:26] <chorse> bjsnider: it's working again, i had to disable the driver and enable it again, whyever.
[17:27] <AmberJ> Hello, My ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 fonts/display just crashed like this: http://i39.tinypic.com/nv4izc.png  and  http://i40.tinypic.com/2r44j1k.png
[17:28] <AmberJ> I just logged out and logged in again and everything is back to normal
[17:28] <AmberJ> Do I need to report this somewhere?
[17:28] <TommyThaGun> I get this error when I try to run gdesklets "Cannot establish connection to daemon: timeout!"
[17:33] <jmfthevci> With all the latest updates (as of 10 mins ago) and without the -20 the beta 2 is OK.
[17:33] <look> how do i make a persistent flash image of 10.04b2
[17:34] <look> ..?
[17:35] <AmberJ> look: usb-creator of 9.04 didn't worked for me...but unetbootin did the job
[17:36] <look> will 'dd if=/dev/zero of=[flashdrive]/casper-rw bs=1024 count=$[1024*100];mkfs.ext2 [flashdrive]/casper-rw' do it?
[17:37] <TommyThaGun> what's the apt-get command to delete the deb packages saved on my computer?
[17:37] <eagles0513875> !usb | look
[17:38] <look> TommyThaGun: apt-get clean
[17:38] <eagles0513875> look: see 2nd link
[17:39] <charlie-tca> TommyThaGun: apt-get --help
[17:39] <TommyThaGun> got it, thanks
[17:39] <look> cool ... but so i jsut want to know if i make a casper-rw file, will it automatically use it
[17:39] <TommyThaGun> I didn't understand the difference between autoclean and clean
[17:39] <eagles0513875> look: not sure i usually follow that link
[17:40] <charlie-tca> TommyThaGun: old is normally something like 30 days
[17:40] <TommyThaGun> oh ok
[17:40] <TommyThaGun> thanks
[17:42] <hceylan> Guys, while everthing was working with beta-1, now with the updates: sound, nvidia blob, plymouth, ureadahead is broken...
[17:43] <hceylan> Any1 know what's going on?
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> YAY
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> master FAIL in APT
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> open syanptic
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> then run aptitude upgrade
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> it usually complains of apt being lick
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> *lock
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> this time, it complain, and run anyway
[17:50] <hceylan> plus firefox crashes very frequently...
[17:58] <hceylan> plus acpi problems like not being able to detect if adapter plugged in...
[17:58] <hceylan> :(:(:(
[18:00]  * charlie-tca thinks the mystery gets deeper ... :-( 
[18:08] <gnimsh> hi
[18:09] <gnimsh> I could really use some help, compositing has not been working since I upgraded to lucid beta2 from beta1, and also when I open more than one window at a time only one program has focus
[18:09] <gnimsh> I have no titlebars either, and most windows are getting stuck in the top left corner of the screen
[18:12] <gnimsh> ok I used the appearance menu to change visual settings to normal, now I have titlebars back and can fullscreen the system
[18:13] <gnimsh> hm, appearance still reset effects to none but compositing seems to be back on
[18:14] <An_Ony_Moose> what would be the best way to install 10.04 on a USB drive?
[18:15] <holstein> An_Ony_Moose: install the OS onto a USB drive?
[18:15] <An_Ony_Moose> yep
[18:15] <holstein> or make an install USB
[18:15] <holstein> ?
[18:16] <holstein> you can install ubuntu to whatever drive you want
[18:16] <An_Ony_Moose> Make a live USB drive essentially, like a live CD but that keeps files, settings, etc
[18:16] <holstein> if your using the live CD
[18:16] <An_Ony_Moose> I'm not :P
[18:16] <holstein> check (i think is step 6) towards the end on the installation setup
[18:17] <holstein> and notice where GRUB is being installed
[18:17] <holstein> An_Ony_Moose: theres a live USB creator
[18:17] <An_Ony_Moose> ah
[18:17] <An_Ony_Moose> on the live CD?
[18:17] <avis> hi crimsun.  will it be too long before the new kernel alsa modules are available ?  let me run my alsa script for you
[18:17] <holstein> startup disk creator
[18:18] <holstein> An_Ony_Moose: also, unetbootin
[18:18] <An_Ony_Moose> yeah, I know unetbootin... never really worked for me
[18:18] <holstein> try startup disk creator
[18:18] <holstein> AFAIK you can save settings
[18:18] <An_Ony_Moose> anyway - live USB creator. Is it on the live CD? Because I don't currently have a live CD.
[18:18] <holstein> An_Ony_Moose: it should be
[18:19] <holstein> its in my lucid install
[18:19] <holstein> last time i tried it
[18:19] <holstein> it didnt work
[18:19] <An_Ony_Moose> well
[18:19] <holstein> BUT that was weeks ago
[18:19] <patdk-wk> I used my karmic one, to make a lucid boot stick :)
[18:19] <An_Ony_Moose> I have nothing really. Do I need to download a live CD? I have no previous installation either
[18:19] <An_Ony_Moose> patdk-wk, how?
[18:19] <An_Ony_Moose> that's essentially what I want to do
[18:19] <patdk-wk> what do you mean how?
[18:19] <avis> crimsun here is my latest report.  generic pae -19 modules on the pae-generic-20 kernel http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f18723738c45c05a91509a073d56c9e52bbe158b
[18:20] <holstein> patdk-wk: and you made it with the lucid ISO too right?
[18:20] <patdk-wk> you download the lucid iso
[18:20] <holstein> i think you can
[18:20] <patdk-wk> you run iso maker, done
[18:20] <An_Ony_Moose> iso maker?
[18:20] <An_Ony_Moose> xD
[18:20] <patdk-wk> well, the usb iso maker thing
[18:20] <avis> hi everyone
[18:20] <patdk-wk> usb startup disk creator :)
[18:20] <patdk-wk> *that thing in the menu* :)
[18:21] <An_Ony_Moose> uuuh
[18:21] <An_Ony_Moose> where in the menu? >.<
[18:21] <patdk-wk> system->administration
[18:22] <An_Ony_Moose> aaah, ok, thanks :)
[18:31] <alex_mayorga> are updates slow to download or is it my carrier?
[18:34] <Zenker>  does anyone know how to use gmount-iso to mount and play a dvd iso?
[18:34] <jrr> empathy: how to connect to generic XMPP server? (not facebook or google talk or jabber)
[18:35] <SandGorgon> damn... i'm not able to suspend/resume on Kubuntu... anyone else having this issue ?
[18:35] <Zenker> SandGorgon if i remember right that is a well known issue
[18:36] <yofel> SandGorgon: works fine on my eeePC, my desktop doesn't even show the suspend option
[18:36] <SandGorgon> Zenker, true... what I was hoping is _somebody_ telling me that it has been fixed (yayyy!!). My laptop is pretty much unusable
[18:36] <SandGorgon> yofel, :)
[18:39] <Zenker> SandGorgon suspend is a very technical thing believe it or not, it may not ever be fixed for everyone, you will proably have to learn 2 lie w/o it
[18:39] <Zenker> err...thats *live rofl
[18:45] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: where does it fail? on suspend, or resume?
[18:45] <James2k> Can I get support for Lucid here?
[18:45] <Berzerker> yup
[18:46] <James2k> OK, basically I've just tried to update to Ubuntu 10.04 through Update manager used "update-manager -d" but the upgrade fails at the second stage something about I have held broken packages
[18:47] <pvelkovski> hi
[18:47] <James2k> I've cleared all broken packages used various clean commands and booted into recovery mode to ensure no packages are broke
[18:47] <pvelkovski> can i ask a question regarding lucid?
[18:47] <James2k> Anyway know how I can get past the rror
[18:47] <James2k> *error
[18:48] <pvelkovski> anybody?
[18:48] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, on resume... screen goes black... never get the UI back.
[18:49] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, earlier it was some artifacts
[18:49] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, don't ask to ask, just ask
[18:49] <pvelkovski> ok
[18:49] <pvelkovski> I have a huge memory leak problem
[18:49] <pvelkovski> BUT
[18:49] <pvelkovski> not related to any program
[18:49] <pvelkovski> the cache memory is filled
[18:49] <pvelkovski> untill
[18:50] <pvelkovski> the swap disk starts filling
[18:50] <pvelkovski> and yet
[18:50] <iconmefisto> James2k: if you do sudo apt-get upgrade, does it say there are packages held back?
[18:50] <pvelkovski> only max 30 percent of my memory is actualy used by programs
[18:50] <pvelkovski> so
[18:50] <James2k> iconmefisto: will check
[18:50] <pvelkovski> how do you report a bug like this??
[18:51] <pvelkovski> the new bug reporting polici insist that i file a bug against a package
[18:51] <James2k> inconmefisto: I get 0 changes to be made
[18:52] <iconmefisto> James2k: but no packages held back?
[18:52] <James2k> Nope none held back
[18:52] <thiebaude> charlie-tca, im trying to attach an attachment and im not able to
[18:52] <Berzerker> James2k, should say "The Following packages were held back:"
[18:52] <James2k> None
[18:52] <iconmefisto> James2k: apt pinning maybe?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> thiebaude: if all else fails, copy the text and paste in
[18:53] <thiebaude> ok thanks i sure will
[18:53] <pvelkovski> so can anybody give me some advice?
[18:53] <James2k> iconmefisto: What is apt-pinning
[18:54] <thoeger> Hi channel. Just installed Lucid on an old HP Compaq laptop with a BCM4312 wireless card. Through Jockey I installed the STA driver and it seems to work, but it says "this driver is activated but not currently in use", and the nm applet doesn't seem to find any wireless networks...
[18:54] <James2k> sudo apt-get update only returns: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:55] <iconmefisto> James2k: it's a way to hold onto a particular version of a package, so it won't get upgraded
[18:55] <charlie-tca> pvelkovski: You could file it against linux
[18:55] <charlie-tca> That puts most of the log files in the report that would be needed
[18:55] <thoeger> Bonus info: iwlist scanning finds all the networks it needs to. What am I doing wong?
[18:55] <pvelkovski> yes but it's not kernel related
[18:55] <SandGorgon> thoeger, in that use the b43 fwcutter package (you must have had two options for broadcom drivers)
[18:55] <James2k> Iconmefisto: OK but I have no indication of what package would be stopping the upgrade
[18:55] <pvelkovski> because
[18:55] <iconmefisto> James2k: I think synaptic does it, but I'm not familiar with how it works because I don't use it
[18:55] <pvelkovski> I tried with an upstream kernel
[18:55] <Damascene> om26er,
[18:55] <pvelkovski> and the bug is still present
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Note that in your comments when you file
[18:56] <Damascene> om26er, what did you find
[18:56] <void^> pvelkovski: try setting /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to a lower value
[18:56] <thoeger> SandGorgon, yeah and I was recommended on varios threads etc to use the STA driver. But I'll give it a try. Remove the STA driver first?
[18:56] <pvelkovski> Did that too
[18:56] <James2k> I just get an error on the second stage of the upgrade with unable to determine
[18:56] <om26er> Damascene, I turns out that my partition dont require any passwords when mounting
[18:56] <charlie-tca> pvelkovski: working with an upstream kernel or not does not mean it is not kernel related
[18:56] <pvelkovski> swapiness was set to 10 out of 100
[18:56] <iconmefisto> James2k: does /etc/apt/preferences exist? or any files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ folder?
[18:56] <pvelkovski> when the cache becomes full
[18:57] <om26er> Damascene, which filesystem you have?
[18:57] <pvelkovski> the swap disk is used
[18:57] <Damascene> om26er, ntfs
[18:57] <pvelkovski> and I have 2GB of RAM
[18:57] <void^> pvelkovski: that's correct behaviour. what's your usage pattern, and what's the problem?
[18:57] <James2k> iconmefisto: Will check
[18:57] <Damascene> om26er, but it asks for password for all partition ntfs and ext4 too
[18:58] <pvelkovski> the problem is that something is eating the cache memory, using only openoffice and firefox and liferea
[18:58] <pvelkovski> but
[18:58] <pvelkovski> this 3 programs
[18:58] <Damascene> from nautilus not form netbook-launcher
[18:58] <James2k> iconmefisto: nope nothing in either locations
[18:58] <pvelkovski> are not using 2GB of ram
[18:58] <pvelkovski> it says 22% used by programs
[18:58] <olga_> guys, why cant i "sudo apt-get upgrade" from beta to beta 2?
[18:59] <pvelkovski> olga
[18:59] <pvelkovski> regular updates
[18:59] <Berzerker> James2k, try running an apt-get clean, then sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:59] <om26er> Damascene, I formated it through disk-utility with the option 'take ownership of FS' so now when I mount I am not asked for password
[18:59] <pvelkovski> upgrade from beta to beta 2
[18:59] <charlie-tca> olga_: because the beta 2 is lucid with all updates applied
[18:59] <SandGorgon> thoeger, yup
[18:59] <James2k> Berzerker: OK will try
[18:59] <thiebaude> charlie-tca, lspci-vvnn.log command not found
[18:59] <Damascene> om26er, I see
[18:59] <olga_> is "sudo apt-get upgrade" right command?
[18:59] <James2k> Nothing was changed
[18:59] <Berzerker> James2k, doing that might error on a certain broken package, which you can use sudo apt-get install -f <package> to fix it
[19:00] <charlie-tca> thiebaude: space before the -  lspci -vvnn
[19:00] <thiebaude> ok
[19:00] <Berzerker> James2k, or it might remove the broken package
[19:00] <pvelkovski> @olga once you have lucid installed you only do "apt-get update"
[19:00] <James2k> Berzerker: Didn't touch anything
[19:00] <James2k> All 0;s
[19:00] <Berzerker> hmm...
[19:00] <charlie-tca> olga_: you can not upgrade to beta 2
[19:00] <Berzerker> do you know which package it is
[19:00] <Berzerker> ?
[19:00] <charlie-tca> beta2 is just a point in time when a new cd was made
[19:00] <James2k> Nope nothing is indicated
[19:00] <olga_> okay, if i do UPDATE, i get some haches error
[19:01] <James2k> I can get you the exact error message if that helps
[19:01] <TommyThaGun> haches error?
[19:01] <Berzerker> it might
[19:01] <olga_> hashsum is not right or something
[19:01] <TommyThaGun> olga_, sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:01] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[19:01] <James2k> It gets stuck on getting new software channels
[19:02] <James2k> *Setting
[19:02] <thiebaude> charlie-tca, whats the full command and i can copy and paste from xchat thanks?
[19:02] <olga_> i actually just did  updates, and they are good, but the kernal isnt updating
[19:02] <olga_> says bad hashes
[19:02] <duffydack> updated the system and it got 2.6.32-20 kernel but its not in my grub list, and when i run update-grub it doesnt detect it.  when I try to mark the kernel for reinstall it says linux-image and linux-generic-image are deps but cant be installed?
[19:03] <TommyThaGun> olga_, what is the exact error it's giving?
[19:03] <olga_> euhm
[19:03] <olga_> moment, pastebin
[19:03] <olga_> if u can read that :D
[19:03] <TommyThaGun> yeah
[19:03] <Berzerker> James2k, I'll brb, restart from upgrade
[19:03] <James2k> OK
[19:03] <olga_> cuz its in russian -.-
[19:03] <TommyThaGun> oh
[19:04] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[19:04] <TommyThaGun> try me
[19:04] <TommyThaGun> haha
[19:04] <thoeger> SandGorgon, oddly enough when I open Jockey after removing the STA driver, the fwcutter doesn't come up as an option anymore...
[19:04] <pvelkovski> so anyone here experienced in debugging memory problems?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> duffydack, olga_ : from the topic - New kernel affecting various machines (bug #561151) / 2.6.32-20 removed from archive
[19:05] <olga_> http://pastebin.com/BaRnk9BQ
[19:05] <duffydack> ah.. sorry, didnt see topic...
[19:06] <olga_> hmm
[19:07] <charlie-tca> olga_: mirror is out of date, maybe
[19:07] <charlie-tca> try that one again in an hour or two
[19:08] <TommyThaGun> charlie-tca, do you think olga_ can just change the mirror?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> possible, I guess
[19:08] <charlie-tca> I normally just wait a couple of hours, myself.
[19:08] <James2k> OK I've got the screenshot of the upgrade error
[19:09] <James2k> On moment just uploading to ImageShack
[19:09] <olga_> hmm, ok, lets see
[19:11] <James2k> Berzerker you still there?
[19:11] <Berzerker> James2k, yeah, sorry, I don't know
[19:12] <James2k> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9660/lucidbetaerror.png
[19:12] <Berzerker> James2k, strange place to error
[19:12] <James2k> If that helps you at all
[19:12] <TommyThaGun> please tell me that when they fix kernel 32-20 they won't do too much to it
[19:12] <James2k> It's OK I hadn't been messaging you for help, just promised you that screenshot
[19:12] <TommyThaGun> I'm loving i
[19:13] <TheSov> I have a soundblaster x-fi sound card, the system detects it and shows it in sound preferences, however i hear no audio from the system whatsoever when i skip around to different profiles sometimes pulse audio crashes.
[19:13] <Berzerker> James2k, did you check the log?
[19:14] <James2k> Where is the log?
[19:14] <Berzerker> ./var/log/dist-upgrade/
[19:14] <James2k> OK, will check now
[19:15] <James2k> I've got apt.log, main.log and term.log
[19:15] <James2k> Which one is useful?
[19:15] <yofel> odd, that's a pre-upgrade error, are you sure you have all updates installed?
[19:15] <James2k> I have ran Update Manager before doing this upgrade
[19:16] <James2k> It's all strange tonight
[19:16] <yofel> hm, then maybe some package in lucid has proken deps at the moment
[19:17] <TheSov> does anyone have a clue as to whats going on with my sound card?
[19:17] <thak> So... if the kernal update left me with a while console, is there any way to roll back to an earlier version?
[19:17] <yofel> thak: select the older kernel when booting?
[19:18] <pvelkovski> reboot
[19:18] <pvelkovski> and hold the Shift key
[19:18] <pvelkovski> that will present you with a grub menu
[19:18] <thak> Thanks!
[19:18] <TommyThaGun> has anyone had a problem with gDesklets in lucid? Here's a thread I posted in case anyone can help with my issue with it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1452812
[19:20] <TheSov> I really need help with my sound card, i would hate to go back to windows after this. it gets detected in the sound preferences but i hear no audio at all, even when selecting different profiles. it is a soundblaster x-fi.
[19:20] <thoeger> Hi folks - progress but more probs with the broadcom wireless card. STA driver now finds the networks in our area but when trying to log on to my own wireless, it keeps searching and then coming up with a new "authentication needed write password here" box... Argh! Others maintain I should still go for the b43fwcutter instead?
[19:20] <thak> Hrm... what was the last good version of the kernel?
[19:21] <thak> 19?
[19:21] <TommyThaGun> thak, depends who you ask. 19 is more stable for more people
[19:21] <TommyThaGun> 20 has done amazing things to my computer, but crashes when loading on others
[19:22] <thak> I seem to be booting into Low Graphics mode
[19:22] <thak> and I've begun to suspect that it isn't related to the kernel
[19:23] <thak> I'm not sure where to even start troubleshooting this, any suggestions?
[19:24] <yofel> troubleshooting low graphics mode begins at the Xorg log
[19:24] <yofel> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:26] <TheSov> I need some help with my sound card, It's a soundblaster x-fi and the system detects but i get no audio at all.
[19:28] <JoshuaL> my laptop has issues with sleep mode. The screen goes black and the system doesn't respond afterwards..
[19:28] <JoshuaL> Even the magic reisub doesnt work and i have to force it to shutdown with the powerbutton
[19:29] <thak> Is my problem with line 50? The Nvidia drivers? http://pastebin.com/Y04Sv6aW
[19:29] <vega> TheSov: you've checked that _everything_ is unmuted .. with alsamixer
[19:29] <TheSov> yes
[19:30] <Berzerker> so I tried insatlling flash 10 on lucid...64-bit...copied libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins but firefox doesn't recognize it's installed
[19:30] <Berzerker> any suggestions?
[19:30] <TheSov> applications that play audio also tend to lockup
[19:30] <pvelkovski> try to copy it to /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
[19:31] <thak> or is that log old?
[19:32] <yofel> thak: the log is from Mon Apr 12 11:25:14 2010
[19:32] <pvelkovski> Berzerker: did you try my sugestion?
[19:32]  * duffydack uses a ppa for flash64.  just easier for updates
[19:32] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, no, one sec
[19:33] <yofel> Berzerker: why not just copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ?
[19:33] <Berzerker> duffydack, what is the ppa?
[19:33] <thak> What should I be looking for in this log?
[19:33] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/64bit-flash-ppa.html
[19:34] <TheSov> should i try installing 9.10?
[19:34] <yofel> thak: usually any lines that begin with EE for error, but the only thing I can find are the acpi warnings, no idea if that's the cause
[19:34] <thak> Hrm...
[19:34] <look> thak: yes
[19:34] <look> TheSov: yes
[19:34] <look> thak: sorry about that
[19:34] <thak> What loads after Xorg? Like, what actually loads the gnome desktop
[19:34] <pvelkovski> duffydack are you sure that it's a 64bit flash plugin?
[19:35] <pvelkovski> Berzerker
[19:35] <look> nautilus i think
[19:35] <pvelkovski> you should try manualy installing 10.1 as far as i know
[19:35] <yofel> thak: the desktop manager (the login screen) is gdm
[19:35] <duffydack> yes.. it installs it like the regular flash installer does, it grabs the tar.gz from adobe.
[19:35] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, 10.1 isn't 64-bit yet
[19:35] <pvelkovski> ok
[19:35] <yofel> thak: I'm not sure how it continues after that
[19:35] <Berzerker> lastest is feb release, 10.0.45 I think
[19:35] <duffydack> the version in ppa is the latest.. ive checked
[19:36] <duffydack> been using the ppa for a few months
[19:36] <yotta911> charlie-tca: VirtualBox upgraded and beta running -- Thanks!!!!
[19:36] <bjsnider> thak, that log says you're getting 32 bit colour and your monitor is 1280x800. that is not low graphics mode at all
[19:36] <thak> Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager...
[19:37] <Berzerker> duffydack, the install isn't working for me...it says it can't find flashplugin64-installer
[19:38] <duffydack> Berzerker, works for me,.. I added the ppa and installed it again the other day actually after doing a reinstall
[19:38] <Berzerker> duffydack, the apt-get update hits, but it says it can't find package "flashplugin64-installer"
[19:39] <duffydack>  flashplugin64-nonfree
[19:39] <Berzerker> duffydack, same, can't find it
[19:39] <pvelkovski> Berzerker:  the flash plugin I have on my system is in /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/
[19:39] <pvelkovski> but i am on 32 bit linux
[19:39] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, I've always copied it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[19:39] <duffydack> Berzerker, no idea then bud.
[19:40] <duffydack> i`ll try removing/reinstalling it
[19:40] <pvelkovski> Berzerker this is lucid
[19:40] <jef91> Anyone know what repos sun-java6-plugin is contained in in 10.04? I have medibuntu and all the defaults enabled and its telling me it cannot find it
[19:40] <pvelkovski> whatever you did before
[19:40] <yofel> pvelkovski: that's where the file is copied to, it then gets symlinked to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[19:40] <pvelkovski> is not same here
[19:40] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, yes in lucid, that's what I've done
[19:40] <thak> Alright, does this make sense: http://pastebin.com/bGvnMV8N
[19:40] <yofel> jef91: canonical partner
[19:40] <bjsnider> jef91, it will not be added until lucid is released
[19:40] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, it's worked before, on lucid...no idea why it's not now
[19:40] <duffydack> working for me...
[19:41] <Berzerker> duffydack, is there a way to list the packages in the repo?
[19:41] <jef91> ... bjsnider Thats a pain in the ass.
[19:41] <yofel> !language | jef91
[19:42] <bjsnider> it's a pain in the whaddayacallit
[19:42] <duffydack> Berzerker, http://pastebin.org/148604
[19:42] <jef91> Anyone else here use software-center in KDE on 10.04?
[19:43] <duffydack> and "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sevenmachines/flash/ubuntu lucid main" is whats in my sources.
[19:43] <yofel> jef91: from time to time
[19:43] <pvelkovski>  duffydack are you using a clean isntall of lucid?
[19:43] <duffydack> pvelkovski, yes...
[19:43] <duffydack> pvelkovski, I used that repo for my karmic install too
[19:44] <jef91> yofel Do you have segfaulting issues? It keeps crashing on me
[19:44] <pvelkovski> ok
[19:44] <pvelkovski> can you do this in your console
[19:44] <pvelkovski> sudo updatedb
[19:44] <pvelkovski> and then
[19:44] <pvelkovski> locate libflashplayer.so
[19:44] <yofel> jef91: I had random crashes while using the qtcurve gtk engine, it works fine now that I'm using nodoka
[19:45] <DanaG> E: Type 'n' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-mozilla-daily-ppa-lucid.list
[19:45] <DanaG> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[19:45] <duffydack> http://pastebin.org/148610
[19:45] <jef91> yofel whats nodoka?
[19:46] <duffydack> I can snag the deb from my cache if you like
[19:46] <yofel> !info gtk2-engines-nodoka | jef91
[19:46] <Berzerker> pvelkovski, /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[19:46] <Berzerker> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[19:46] <Berzerker> /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[19:46] <thak> Hrm... it seems that ubuntu-desktop went away
[19:46] <thak> I guess I didn't notice that getting removed... but it wasn't a partial update or anything... bizarre
[19:47] <jef91> thanks for the tip yofel
[19:47] <pvelkovski> Berzerker: i claned flash from my system firs
[19:47] <duffydack> Berzerker, pvelkovski     http://www.sendspace.com/file/eew93z
[19:47] <pvelkovski> deleted manualy all of the libflashplugin,so
[19:47] <pvelkovski> and then
[19:47] <pvelkovski> used
[19:47] <yofel> jef91: you can use any gtk engine I think, I only noticed crashes with qtcurve
[19:47] <pvelkovski> adobe-flashplugin package
[19:48] <pvelkovski> in synaptic
[19:48] <pvelkovski> and the path I gave is where flashplugin ended
[19:48] <yofel> pvelkovski, Berzerker: don't ever remove any system files, remove the packages, and the proper flash package is flashplugin-installer in lucid
[19:48] <pvelkovski> the version installed is 10.0.32.18
[19:48] <Berzerker> yofel, even on 64-bit?
[19:48] <pvelkovski> yofel
[19:48] <pvelkovski> I don;'t have a clean lucid install
[19:49] <pvelkovski> and to tell you
[19:49] <pvelkovski> lucid gives me lot's of headaches
[19:49] <blendmaster1024> hi
[19:49] <blendmaster1024> i just took over the webchat from look
[19:49] <blendmaster1024> xD
[19:49] <thak> Lucid is in beta, so I guess headaches are kind of expected
[19:50] <yofel> Berzerker: from the official repository yes (if you're trying that)
[19:50] <pvelkovski> yofel
[19:50] <thak> Hey, look at that
[19:50] <pvelkovski> i suppose you don't have the ubuntu partners repo enabled
[19:50] <pvelkovski> because
[19:50] <pvelkovski> flash
[19:50] <thak> Reinstalling Ubuntu-Desktop fixed Nautilus
[19:51] <pvelkovski> that comes from there is 10.0.32.18
[19:51] <bjsnider> the 64-bit plugin will not be installed though. the 32-bit plugin with nspluginwrapper will instead
[19:51] <pvelkovski> and it has the "ubuntu" logo
[19:51] <pvelkovski> in synaptic
[19:51] <pvelkovski> and says
[19:51] <pvelkovski> "Canonical provides critical updates for adobe-flashplugin until October 2011"
[19:51] <yofel> pvelkovski: the partner repos has 10.0.45.2ubuntu1 and please don't use enter as punctuation
[19:52] <yofel> wait, that's the official repository from multiverse
[19:52] <thak> TommyThaGun: Out of curiosity, what did 20 improve?
[20:01] <malwina> hello, excuse me do you know maybe if its possible to enable a microphone in skype? In 'sound recorder' it seems to work, but not with skype :/
[20:01] <malwina> all volume controls seems to be fine
[20:01] <Martiini> need "howto" busybox (initramfs) tutorial. Stuck @ initramfs ... no root filesystem found
[20:02] <malwina> btw. I'm using ubuntu 10.4 netbook remix on asus 1005AH maybe this will be helpful
[20:04] <duffydack> pvelkovski, got the 64bit installed yet?
[20:05] <alvin> Martiini: See bug 360378 (and say it affects you if it does)
[20:06] <pvelkovski> I have never tried Ubuntu 64bit
[20:06] <domjohnson> Hello good folk of the Ubuntu Lucid IRC channel.
[20:06] <duffydack> pvelkovski, oh.. i thought you were trying to install the 64bit flash
[20:06] <TisMe> heh
[20:06] <pvelkovski> no I wasn't
[20:06] <pvelkovski> I'm haveing a memory leak problem
[20:07] <pvelkovski> but no one is able to help me
[20:07] <domjohnson> Has the shipit scheme started the pre-ordering of the 10.04 discs?
[20:07] <pvelkovski> lucid is very much broken for me
[20:07] <domjohnson> Oh dear...
[20:08] <domjohnson> Have you ran memtest?
[20:08] <domjohnson> Or whatever it's called?
[20:08] <Martiini> alvin: Im looking for busybox howto .. really .. I know .. system can be booted from busybox
[20:08] <pvelkovski> I am not sure what are you talking about domjohnson
[20:08] <domjohnson> Apologies, I'm not great at Ubuntu and such
[20:08] <domjohnson> Does anyone know what I mean?
[20:08] <Lord_Rahl> Is there a toaster popup for empathy
[20:09] <pvelkovski> something is eating my memory and I have to restart my computer after using it for 2 3 hours
[20:09] <xfact> Hello everyone
[20:09] <alvin> Martiini: Type 'help' in busybox. Mount -a should work too. I just keep rebooting when karmic doesn't find my root device. (i sure hope this will be fixed in Lucid. It was introduced in karmic)
[20:10] <pvelkovski> considering the fact that with karmic I rarely restarted my system (I usually use hibernate), karmic is a BIG disappointment so far
[20:10] <Martiini> alvin: where can I find a busybox howto ?? simple specific step-by-step commands
[20:10] <domjohnson> Ohhh, shimmies...I'm about to run out of space on here, methinks.
[20:10] <xfact> My hardware drivers indicating all(3) of my nvidia graphic drivers are enabled (green) is that normal? Here is the picture: http://imagebin.ca/view/xhLmJGpS.html
[20:10] <domjohnson> pvelkosvki - memtest
[20:11] <domjohnson> Should be able to get to it from grub
[20:11] <pvelkovski>  domjohnson: what do I do with memtest?
[20:11] <vega> memtest tests memory.. not memory leaks
[20:11] <vega> for physical defects
[20:11] <charlie-tca> xfact: it is possible in lucid to enable them all
[20:11] <pvelkovski> yes vega, i was about to say the same thing
[20:11] <LordKow> oh great first ubuntu doesnt boot fast enough now it boots too fast for some people
[20:11] <domjohnson> Ok
[20:11] <LordKow> i didnt know there was such thing as booting too fast
[20:12] <Lord_Rahl> Is there a toaster popup for empathy
[20:12] <domjohnson> Apologies :)
[20:12] <alvin> Martiini: Actually it's a good question. I now notice there is no 'man busybox'. But busybox does contain a help
[20:12] <pvelkovski> does anyone here use intel graphic?
[20:12] <LordKow> i suppose if ubuntu boots faster than the speed of light there is potential for the universe to collapse into itself
[20:12] <xfact> charlie-tca, is that healthy? and I didn't done anything myself
[20:12] <domjohnson> Like I say, I know little about these things...thought memory leaks may have had something to do with it, but...
[20:12] <charlie-tca> xfact: you didn't install the hardware drivers?
[20:12] <vega> bootup for lucid on my 2009 machine is not so impressive i would have expected, 40 secs to login screen
[20:13] <Lord_Rahl> pvelkovski, try not to what you need
[20:13] <vega> fast dual core laptop, 4gb ram etc.
[20:13] <pvelkovski> vega that's tooo much
[20:13] <vega> i think so too
[20:13] <LordKow> really vega? mine is 18 seconds with a 7200 rpm mechanical hdd
[20:13] <vega> huh
[20:13] <LordKow> 27 seconds w/o ureadahead
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Mine is slow, about 1 minute
[20:14] <pvelkovski> LordKow do u use ureadahead?
[20:14] <vega> just clocked it today a couple of times.. then + gnome loading after that also
[20:14] <pvelkovski> what's with that package?
[20:14] <LordKow> pvelkovski: yes
[20:14] <xfact> Charlie-tca, well, I had only one 'recommended' driver since upgrade from karmic, but after running some updates now it showing all three drivers are enabled
[20:14] <pvelkovski> LordKow did ureadahed come with karmic too by default?
[20:14] <vega> maybe need to run bootchart or whatever it was called that graphs the boot sequence
[20:14] <xfact> I juts want to know is that healthy or harmful
[20:14] <pvelkovski> was it installed by default in karmic?
[20:15] <LordKow> pvelkovski: i believe readahead was used by default before lucid
[20:16] <LordKow> ureadahead is basically readahead on crack
[20:16] <natman> has anyone any thoughs on the lucid beta 2 for Kubuntu?
[20:16] <pvelkovski> due to my memory leaking problems I tried uninstalling ureadahead
[20:16] <pvelkovski> I read that it tries to speed programs startup by cahing more things
[20:17] <pvelkovski> but the problem is that my cache is never released
[20:17] <rye> pvelkovski, is /var on the separate partition (i assume you are writing about ureadahead)
[20:17] <pvelkovski> once all the phisical RAM is spend by caching, the swap partition kicks in
[20:17] <pvelkovski> no
[20:17] <LordKow> pvelkovski: it loads data from your hard drive in one swoop at the beginning of the boot process, instead of throughout
[20:17] <pvelkovski> I have separate partitions for /, /boot and /home
[20:18] <rye> ok, bug 523484 does not apply
[20:19] <pvelkovski> ok
[20:19] <pvelkovski> i have noticed another serious bug
[20:19] <pvelkovski> when the partitions are scaned for errors on startup, the boot screen freezes and I never get to login screen
[20:20] <pvelkovski> which package would be responsible for this kind of error?
[20:20] <vega> seems to be quite a lot of these serious boot-related issues at the moment..
[20:21] <vega> somewhat concerning after beta2 and being lts..
[20:21] <alvin> but expected. Karmic has a lot of boot issues too
[20:22] <pvelkovski> karmic worked like a charm for me
[20:22] <pvelkovski> absolutely no problems with Karmic
[20:22] <alvin> I never got it to boot right.
[20:24] <pvelkovski> did anyone get the upgrades for the xserver today?
[20:25] <pvelkovski> after those upgrades glxinfo is not working for me too
[20:26] <epifanio> hi all
[20:27] <epifanio> i'm on ubuntu 10.4 installed on a mac book pro 15'' 2.2
[20:27] <epifanio> is this the right place to ask for support about 10.4 installation and issue ?
[20:27] <pvelkovski> yes epifanio
[20:28] <epifanio> my problem is irc, i'm not able to connect to irc using xchat or chatzilla, the only way i find is to use the freenode java applet
[20:28] <pvelkovski> at least that's what I was told in the #ubuntu chanell
[20:28] <epifanio> thanks pvelkovski
[20:29] <epifanio> :-)
[20:29] <pvelkovski> hm
[20:29] <pvelkovski> let me check this on my computer
[20:30] <pvelkovski> x-chat works here
[20:30] <epifanio> maybe i have to change settings ... but after a fresh xchat installation, i had the same problem as on chatzilla
[20:30] <yofel> just read the topic please.. "Official Ubuntu Lucid Lynx support/discussion"
[20:30] <yofel> epifanio: how does the connection fail?
[20:31] <epifanio> humm :-/ i installed xchat-gnome
[20:32] <malwina> do you know where I can get linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.32-19-generic ? In repo I got only for kernel 2.6.32-20 which currently is blocked :/
[20:32] <epifanio> now i can try to install the xchat X version, and see if it give me the same problem
[20:33] <epifanio> .. same problem :-( ..
[20:33] <pvelkovski> epifanio
[20:33] <epifanio> yofel this the log on screen : http://paste.debian.net/68615/
[20:34] <yofel> malwina: you'll have to wait for the fixed kernel, 19 was already removed from the servers
[20:34] <malwina> ok, thanks for advice yofel
[20:36] <epifanio> any clue on how to debug ? it's a weird situation
[20:36] <yofel> "Network is unreachable" o.O, haven't seen that yet
[20:36] <yofel> does 'ping chat.freenode.net' work?
[20:36] <epifanio> i can  try now
[20:37] <epifanio> yofel , ping works fine
[20:38] <yofel> hm
[20:40] <domjohnson> I can't update quite a few packages
[20:40] <charlie-tca> epifanio: that server you are using - 32.1.6.176  won't ping
[20:40] <domjohnson> I think 40-something packages
[20:40] <charlie-tca> epifanio: You need to try a different server
[20:41] <domjohnson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413282/
[20:41] <domjohnson> That's the output from update-manager
[20:42] <domjohnson> The message it gives me after pressing update
[20:42] <domjohnson> And it kinda worries me...well, when I say kinda, I mean quite a bit.
[20:42] <yofel> domjohnson: bad gb.archive.ubuntu.com server sync
[20:42] <domjohnson> I had a problem with update manager in karmic, too.
[20:42] <domjohnson> Ok
[20:42] <yofel> or you didn't refresh your package cache
[20:42] <domjohnson> Ok
[20:43] <Martiini> I wish we would live on a planet where we would have perfect software and only free open software
[20:43] <domjohnson> lol
[20:44] <yofel> that would be rather boring...
[20:44] <domjohnson> I think more software will become free
[20:44] <domjohnson> Because of new revenue streams for developers
[20:44] <Martiini> We were supposed to get internet2 ..
[20:45]  * domjohnson is waiting for someone to go "Yah, another job" xD
[20:45] <domjohnson> Seriously, though...
[20:45] <virtuald> isn't there going to be a tooltip or libnotify osd when changing the volume by scrolling over the speaker icon?
[20:47] <votan_> elllo
[20:47] <domjohnson> How quickly do things appear on IRSeek and suchlikes?
[20:48] <Martiini> what software do ITER run? http://www.iter.org/mach/Pages/Tokamak.aspx
[20:48] <votan_> Anyone got an idea why I cannot install 10.04 UNR Beta 2 on my Samsung N220 (Pinetrail Netbook, exchanged the HDD for a Intel X-25m G2) ? If I try to boot the live image, it hangs in the splash screen, if I try to install it directly I gett lots of squashfs errors and it hangs with those. I Redownloaded the iso several times form different mirrors.
[20:57] <grobda24> Is this suspicious in netstat ? "tcp        1      1 anubis-ubuntu.loc:39681 static-ip-62-41.eur:www LAST_ACK    root       0"
[21:01] <scott_ino2> Interesting read Martiini
[21:01] <jef91> Is there anyway I can install java on 10.04 before it gets added to the repos? I need it :-/
[21:02] <pvelkovski> yes you can jef91
[21:02] <agronhol> what java
[21:02] <yofel> jef91: doesn't openjdk work for you?
[21:03] <jef91> plugin/jre agronhol pvelkovski how can I?
[21:03] <pvelkovski> wait
[21:03] <jef91> yofel does that work in firefox?
[21:03] <pvelkovski> let me look for the file
[21:03] <pvelkovski> sudo gedit
[21:03] <NETabuse> hey guys, just re-installed and i've no wpa available?
[21:03] <pvelkovski> sorry
[21:03] <agronhol> it should work in firefox
[21:03] <yofel> jef91: there is the icedtea6-plugin for firefox
[21:03] <afghj> Is the kernel image currently missing from Lucid?
[21:04] <yofel> jef91: try it first as that's what ubuntu wants to use in the future, and use sun if something doesn't work with it
[21:04] <agronhol> afghj, apparently yes since there was some bug
[21:04] <afghj> agronhol: What bug?
[21:04] <agronhol> read the topic
[21:04] <yofel> afghj: see topic
[21:04] <afghj> agronhol: And how is Lucid supposed to function without a kernel?!??!
[21:04] <pvelkovski> jef91 try this: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:04] <afghj> Ironically, this latest kernel is the only 2.6.32 kernel that works for me.
[21:05] <arvind_khadri> pvelkovski, gksudo
[21:05] <pvelkovski> look for this line in the file: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner
[21:05] <yofel> afghj: there was a serious regression and the kernel was removed, fixed kernel on the way
[21:05] <pvelkovski> if there is a # in front of it
[21:05] <jef91> yofel icetea6-plugin?
[21:05] <pvelkovski> remove itt
[21:05] <afghj> yofel: For me, this version fixed a serious regression.
[21:05] <yofel> !info icedtea6-plugin | jef91
[21:06] <pvelkovski> jef91
[21:06] <jef91> A yes would have worked yofel
[21:06] <iconmefisto> what's wrong with the sun java plugin?
[21:06] <agronhol> the icedtea6 plugin doesn't seem to work for me (just tried)
[21:06] <agronhol> iconmefisto, there's no 64-bit version
[21:06] <pvelkovski> sun java is in the lucid parners repo
[21:06] <pvelkovski> so enable it
[21:06] <yofel> jef91: sry, I wasn't exactly sure what you expected ;P
[21:06] <agronhol> or maybe there is? dunno
[21:06] <yofel> pvelkovski: he should first try openjdk and sun only if it fails
[21:07] <pvelkovski> yofel
[21:07] <pvelkovski> why should I do that yofel?
[21:07] <agronhol> http://www.gokgs.com/applet.jsp <- didn't work for me
[21:07] <yofel> pvelkovski: because sun java is only supplied by the partner repos and might be removed completely in the future? and openjdk gets official support from ubuntu?
[21:07] <iconmefisto> !info sun-java6-plugin
[21:08] <iconmefisto> ok, doesn't exist
[21:08] <hceylan> any1 knows of a ppa to solve the audio loss problem?
[21:08] <pvelkovski> hm
[21:08] <yofel> iconmefisto: it was removed from the official servers and is now in the partner repos
[21:08] <pvelkovski> I'm on lucid
[21:08] <pvelkovski> and i have java
[21:08] <alvin> and icedtea is installed when you install 'default-jre'
[21:08] <agronhol> pvelkovski, does the applet at that url work for you?
[21:09] <yofel> actually you can just install ubuntu-restricted-extras if you want icedtea/flash/unrar and a few other things
[21:10] <agronhol> icedtea is open source, why would it be in restricted?
[21:10] <scott_ino2> yofel, i thought restricted extras installed sun
[21:10] <scott_ino2> sun java
[21:10] <mawst> Installing kubuntu-desktop made my fonts in Gnome ugly.
[21:10] <yofel> please don't ask me about that, I don't know (and I agree with you)
[21:10] <hceylan> People do you have sound working?
[21:10] <yofel> maybe it's just easier like that
[21:11] <jef91> yofel for future if people want Sun java - the partner repos is just commented out in the sources.list
[21:11] <NETabuse> anyone know why i can't get wpa as an option when connecting to a wifi network?
[21:11] <NETabuse> 10.4 64bit.
[21:11] <yofel> jef91: I know that, and you can just activate it by going to the 'Other Software' tab in Software Properties and re-enabling it
[21:11] <jef91> NETAbuse what network manager
[21:12] <NETabuse> network-manager
[21:12] <CKUB> Hi Guys...last week i had installed Ubuntu 10.04 B, getting lots of distrubution updates. This distribution updates will enable to final version on April 28th
[21:12] <agronhol> ok the icedtea java plugin does not work at all
[21:12] <jef91> yofel if the software manager wasn't crashing on me sure
[21:12] <NETabuse> jef91, this is a fresh re-install reather than a upgrade
[21:12] <agronhol> none of the jdk demo applets work
[21:12] <scott_ino2> hceylan, yes sound works for me
[21:12] <yofel> jef91: 'software-properties-gtk' is crashing for you? o.O
[21:12] <hceylan> scott_ino2: could you tell me what card & codec you have please?
[21:12] <jef91> not install yofel ;)
[21:13] <jef91> Its just as easy to uncomment the source.list..
[21:13] <scott_ino2> hceylan, sure thing one sec
[21:13] <yofel> well, true as well
[21:13] <hceylan> scott_ino2: thx man
[21:13] <scott_ino2> hceylan, no volume control for panel though wtfx haha just tested sound dont use it at the office
[21:13] <CKUB> scott_ino2: Is your audio testing works fine?
[21:13] <duffydack> I cant for the life of me get U1 to play nice at all..  Can drop sync other folders and not just its own dropbox folder?
[21:13] <NETabuse> jef91, any idea?
[21:13] <scott_ino2> CKUB, let me check
[21:14] <yofel> agronhol: please make sure there's a bug filed about that against openjdk-6 on launchpad
[21:14] <jef91> not sure offhand NETabuse no.
[21:14] <scott_ino2> hceylan,  ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller
[21:14] <NETabuse> jef91, kayo
[21:15] <hceylan> scott_ino2: I had the sound after install beta-1 and before updating. I have the sound controller and it even displays the bass mute control for my subwoffered HP Laptop
[21:15] <hceylan> scott_ino2: just can't get sound out of it
[21:15] <hceylan> scott_ino2: while KDE starting it says sth like "Analog auido not working"
[21:15] <pvelkovski>  yofel are you Ubuntu user, developer, package maintainer?
[21:16] <Typh> anyone having any luck with a update-manager -d today to upgrade to 10.04?
[21:16] <scott_ino2> hceylan, i had MAJOR issues when i had my hp laptop using azalia, but recent changes in alsa fixed most of that
[21:16] <yofel> pvelkovski: user/tester
[21:16] <scott_ino2> i say recent
[21:16] <scott_ino2> one year ago
[21:16] <agronhol> Typh, read the topic
[21:16] <CKUB> hceylan; There is an issue on audio tests for alsa_record_playback_internal
[21:16] <hceylan> scott_ino2: I use default and hp-dv5
[21:16] <yofel> pvelkovski: as an alpha tester I know a bit about the development though
[21:16] <hceylan> CKUB: thx CKUB
[21:16] <scott_ino2> hceylan, currently i have no volume control other than sound/preferences
[21:16] <scott_ino2> and well.. alsamixer ;)
[21:17] <pvelkovski> I'm asking because i have bad experience with ubuntu bug reports
[21:17] <hceylan> CKUB: Should I wait, anything I can work it around?
[21:18] <JohnnyAmerica> qui
[21:18] <scott_ino2> CKUB, what did you want me to check for
[21:18] <yofel> pvelkovski: in what way? feedback is always welcome, the bugsquad is understaffed a bit though (that's a huge understatement)
[21:19] <pvelkovski> well yofel again what package do i file bug against for the memory leak? What package do I file bug report against for the startup freeze I get when my disks are scanned at startup?
[21:19] <CKUB> hceylan/scott_ino2: When I do a Sound testing with internal microphone, I cannot hear back my speech. Its failed.
[21:19] <scott_ino2> hceylan, yeah the dv's had lots of sound issues but they were all fixed.....
[21:20] <scott_ino2> CKUB, let me try using sound recorder, i don't have an internal mic just what's on my webcam
[21:20] <CKUB> scott_ino2: Go to system testing , do a Audio test.
[21:20] <yofel> pvelkovski: for the memory leak it depends on what app causes it, if your boot freezes on ~70% fsck then that is known and being investigated
[21:20] <scott_ino2> CKUB, one thing i did notice was the mic wasnt selected
[21:20] <scott_ino2> ahh yes forgot they added this
[21:21] <scott_ino2> ;) many moons ago
[21:21] <hceylan> scott_ino2: I am a long time linux user but ubuntu newbee, does "dv's had lots of sound issues..." translates to anything avaliable somewhere?
[21:21] <scott_ino2> hceylan, like I said, most of what i remember when i had mine were resolved
[21:21] <CKUB> scott_ino2;mic has been changed to capture
[21:21] <scott_ino2> CKUB, no doesn't work in ubuntu test
[21:21] <scott_ino2> test sound that is
[21:21] <scott_ino2> let me check recording guessing it wont work
[21:22] <scott_ino2> but my sound does work im listening to music
[21:22] <CKUB> scott_ino2; Report a bugs
[21:22] <scott_ino2> CKUB, will do is this not already posted?
[21:22] <scott_ino2> CKUB, i do have MANY audio outs on here, let me check the rest of them
[21:23] <CKUB> <scott_ino2; Yes posted. what is ur hardware
[21:23] <hceylan> CKUB: OK CKUB I see, thx for the info... ;)
[21:23] <yofel> pvelkovski: what a memory leak do you have? I didn't catch the whole conversation. And btw, if you have questions about filing bugs you can always ask the bugsquad in #ubuntu-bugs
[21:23] <scott_ino2> CKUB, ok wait
[21:23] <scott_ino2> the second step i could hear audio, just not in the first question
[21:23] <pvelkovski> yofel can we discuss this in private?
[21:24] <TheSov> I need help with my sound card, its a soundblaster X-Fi and the system can detect it and all the volume sliders work however i get no sound at all, and apps that produce any sound lag and crash
[21:24] <yofel> pvelkovski: ok
[21:24] <scott_ino2> CKUB  ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller
[21:25] <TheSov> when i set the sound profile to "off" all the apps works fine.
[21:26] <CKUB> scott_ino2: IS it Dell/acer/IBM??
[21:26] <duffydack> is it me or has grubs font changed to a bold one
[21:26] <duffydack> the OS list that is..
[21:26] <scott_ino2> CKUB, custom desktop
[21:27] <scott_ino2> CKUB, asus motherboard.. all ATI components, i can fill in the info if you want
[21:27] <TheSov> does anyone have a clue as to whats going on with my sound card? it won't work in 9.10 either and works fine in windows
[21:29] <CKUB> scott_ino2:  You can add a bugs report
[21:30] <scott_ino2> CKUB, can you link me? and i'll handle it :)
[21:30] <xfact> TheSov, What kind of sound card it is?
[21:30] <nonameNN> exaile radio plugin has some issues
[21:31] <TheSov> sound blaster x-fi extreme
[21:31] <CKUB> scott_ino2:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/
[21:31] <xfact> Humm
[21:31] <scott_ino2> CKUB, thanks i'll fill it out
[21:31] <TheSov> as i stated earlier the system can see the card and shows many profiles for it, it just doesnt work any app that makes sound freezes
[21:32] <CKUB> scott_ino2: I had also reported a bugs. My Bug#555978
[21:32] <scott_ino2> CKUB, wait, thought tihs was a previously filed bug?
[21:32] <TheSov> the only thing i could find google searching the issue was to remove pulse audio and install OSS
[21:32] <scott_ino2> CKUB,  ah ok cool, wasn't sure if you preferred a new one
[21:32] <xfact> TheSov, Are you using Ubuntu or any derivatives?
[21:32] <TheSov> ubuntu 10.04
[21:32] <TheSov> beta 2
[21:33] <CKUB> scott_ino2: Use new one
[21:33] <TheSov> I tried downgrading to 9.10, same issue.
[21:33] <scott_ino2> CKUB, k
[21:33] <TheSov> I really don't want to go back to windows, but the sound issue is a deal breaker.
[21:33] <xfact> well, It should work I had the same issue with Kubuntu, but by changing some profile it was working :)
[21:33] <xfact> TheSov, Yup I can understand
[21:33] <TheSov> what profile did you change to?
[21:34] <xfact> Actually I have one Realtek HD sound card with two outputs and one input and the accurate profile for it is "Analog sound duplex"
[21:35] <TheSov> yeah that one is a no go for me
[21:36] <TheSov> I don't understand why it would show up but not work.
[21:36] <TheSov> I see it in the volume preferences menu SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio CA0110-IBG
[21:37] <xfact> But one thing as it's about sound so I am sure your card is not 'uncomfortable' so maybe after few setting changes it'll start working
[21:38] <xfact> Why don't you try out with alsamixer command in terminal
[21:38] <TheSov> what other settings can i change?
[21:38] <xfact> alsamixer ?
[21:38] <xfact> if you are using alsa I guess
[21:40] <duffydack> TheSov, what chipset is it (sorry I cant be bothered to scroll up)
[21:40] <TheSov> CA0110-IBG
[21:40] <TheSov> alsa mixer shows it and has volume sliders and everything
[21:41] <DopeGhoti> Is the LiveCD not booting a common issue for Beta 2?  On my machine, it locks up on the bootspash screen.
[21:42] <DopeGhoti> well, xsplash
[21:43] <TheSov> how do i find out what audio im using in x. i think its pulse audio cuz i notice pulse crashes from time to time.
[21:47] <duffydack> TheSov, some have some success with using OSS https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound
[21:47] <TheSov> I have to uninstall pulse for this correct?
[21:48] <duffydack> TheSov, also, sometihng to try http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi
[21:49] <TheSov> lol after i removed pulse...
[21:49] <duffydack> TheSov,  try http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi   first.. it uses alsa
[21:49] <duffydack> lol
[21:49] <duffydack> reinstall it
[21:49] <TheSov> ok
[21:50] <duffydack> shouldnt do any damage..
[21:50] <duffydack> my bad, #2 doesnt use alsa.. its oss.
[21:50] <TheSov> looks like its back
[21:50] <duffydack> my eyes are killing me I cant read properly
[21:50] <avis> can you use oss with lucid ?
[21:51] <duffydack> TheSov, do you have any onboard sound?
[21:51] <avis> my onboard sound works, i have a secondary asus that is cmi8788 which i believe is the same as the X-Fi
[21:52] <avis> and ubuntu-audio-dev hasn't updated its modules for the newer kernel yet i dont think
[21:52] <astro73|tom> I have returned. My video card is still non-functional
[21:53] <astro73|tom> (LP#650506)
[21:56] <TheSov> duffydack, nope
[21:57] <TheSov> the drive snd-hda-intel is already present on the system, i get that error and when i modprobe that it does it.
[21:58] <duffydack> TheSov, I had to add my dell laptops sound to get it to work in karmic.. its ok out the box in lucid now
[21:58] <duffydack> I had to sudo pico /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and add  options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6
[21:58] <TheSov> im pretty new to linux so i still don't know how most of this works
[21:58] <duffydack> so maybe you could try the same with something similar for your card?
[21:59] <duffydack> just knowing the right module thats all..
[21:59] <abb> TheSov:  Sorry, I joined late; are you talking about a Dell Mini or a laptop?  (I have an E6500 is why I asked, and it uses that snd-hda-intel stuff.)
[21:59] <duffydack> as avis said, maybe something in cmi8788 range
[21:59] <avis> i think they use the same chip
[22:00] <TheSov> no
[22:00] <avis> i'm wondering can you get oss working in lucid ?  i abandoned that in karmic, i'd sure rather have oss than alsa
[22:00] <TheSov> i have a sound blaster x-fi xtreme
[22:00] <avis> not sure what chip that is
[22:01] <abb> is oss the "new/future" driver, or is that pulseaudio?  (I know "alsa" is the old one...)
[22:01] <abb> er, not driver.."subsystem" I guess.
[22:01] <iconmefisto> TheSov: that's not the best soundcard for linux
[22:02] <avis> they make very good sounding alternatives to alsa
[22:02] <TheSov> i was running windows :( this is my first attempt at running linux at home
[22:02] <avis> open sound its called
[22:02] <TheSov> I dont want to go back to windows but it looks like i will have to.
[22:03] <avis> the creative labs aren't really thought of as good linux compatible choices
[22:03] <abb> avis:  yes, but I always find myself with the same problem -- one or the other comes preinstalled, neither works, reverting to alsa (though not as nice) ends up working, so I stick with it for *another* release, etc.  (And ten years later...  lol)
[22:03] <avis> abb, that only happened to me in karmic, but i'm guessing things haven't improved or updated i'll just google it
[22:04] <duffydack> my dvd writer and sound didnt work in karmic, now both work in lucid :)
[22:05] <iconmefisto> !info oss4-base
[22:05] <pvelkovski> duffydack tha't how it is in ubuntu
[22:05] <duffydack> TheSov, out of curious, if you say alsa recognises your card and has mixer levels etc, have you tried connecting headphones?
[22:05] <pvelkovski> everything worked for me in karmic
[22:05] <pvelkovski> now I have many problems in lucid
[22:05] <abb> avis:  AFAIK pulsaudio works okay on this laptop  (since Karmic) but whenever I'm in doubt (aka, no sound) I always hit "options-->audio-->alsa" and magically, poof, problem disappears. :)
[22:05] <pvelkovski> jaunty was a nightmare for me
[22:05] <nokia3510> In Fedora I can do "yum update --changelog" to see what's new in available updates. Is there a way to employ apt-listchanges to do the same thing when updating Ubuntu ?
[22:05] <avis> there is that options--audio--alsa that you speak of ?
[22:06] <abb> I would hope so... otherwise, what would apt-listchanges be good for?
[22:06] <avis> i assume my -20 kernel inherited -19's alsa modules, but she isn't detected
[22:07] <duffydack> 'she' lol
[22:07] <duffydack> is that because it doesnt work
[22:07] <duffydack> lol
[22:07] <abb> avis, I mean like, in the particular application.  Like say, you can't hear your podcast, I go into the rbox preferences menu, tell it to use alsa, etc.  not a global setting.  (Afaik, they both run, which no doubt *causes* some of the problem. lol)
[22:07] <avis> :)
[22:08] <abb> what, sorry, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU  ... ahem.   :)
[22:08] <abb> how apropos!
[22:08] <TheSov> yes duffydack, i have
[22:08] <TheSov> any app that produces audio freezes
[22:08] <votan_> Anyone got an idea why I cannot install 10.04 UNR Beta 2 on my Samsung N220 (Pinetrail Netbook, exchanged the HDD for a Intel X-25m G2) ? If I try to boot the live image, it hangs in the splash screen, if I try to install it directly I gett lots of squashfs errors and it hangs with those. I Redownloaded the iso several times form different mirrors.
[22:09] <TheSov> something is wrong at some other level
[22:09] <duffydack> TheSov,  same here.. mine had alsa appearing to work, but I had to add that line to alsa to get it to output any sound
[22:09] <TheSov> ok i added "options snd-hda-intel index=-2"
[22:09] <KB1JWQ> votan_: I had a similar issue.  Hosed flash drive.
[22:10] <TheSov> reboot now?
[22:10] <duffydack> so, if you can find the right module to load thats similar enough like I did (I dont have dell m6).. then thats the answer for now
[22:10] <abb> sure!
[22:10] <votan_> KB1JWQ mh.i got no other stick who is large enough :/ but i can write anything else on the stick without a problem :/
[22:11] <abb> TheSov:  you shouldn't have to reboot that often with linux, but then again, it's often easier (quicker) than tracking down the correct system to restart, etc.  Especially since Karmic boots in like, a picosecond now...
[22:11] <duffydack> lucid?
[22:11] <TheSov> ok rebooting gonna try this thanks guys if i come back, it didnt work :P
[22:11] <abb> duffydack:  right, I meant "since Karmic"
[22:11] <duffydack> lucid is even quicker :)
[22:12] <duffydack> 8 secods on my netbook
[22:12] <abb> what's the next letter in the animal alphabet, anyway?  Monstrous Manbearpig?
[22:12] <duffydack> seconds.
[22:12] <duffydack> lol
[22:12] <abb> Meowing Maccaw?
[22:12] <duffydack> meerkat
[22:12] <abb> lol, that would be great.
[22:12] <duffydack> I hope it doesnt try and sell me cheap car insurance.
[22:13] <abb> mischievious meerkat
[22:13] <duffydack> maverick meerkat
[22:13] <abb> so long as they can work "misanthropic" in there somewhere, it'll be perfect for me. :)
[22:13] <bernhard> hi im having problems with wine and execution bit
[22:13] <bernhard> i cant run windows binaries from a cd
[22:13] <bernhard> can i disable this warning?
[22:13] <abb> bernhard:  i can see how that might be a problem
[22:15] <abb> which warning in particular -- a Wine specific warning, or the one from Nautilus?
[22:15] <abb> (the latter can be turned off in the Nautilus options menu, IIRC)
[22:15] <duffydack> bernhard, maybe can mount the cd with mode=777 ?
[22:15] <duffydack> even tho you cant write obviously, it`ll set the +x bit i think.
[22:16] <abb> duffydack:  I was going to suggest that, but whenever you say "chmod 777" in a room with linux-y people, you never hear the end of it (security! danger!) lol
[22:16] <abb> bernhard:  duffydack knows what s/he is talking about, you should definitely consider what he or she says. +1
[22:16] <yofel> then use 555, that's read/execute
[22:16] <abb> oops, nevermind -- +2 to yofel
[22:17] <duffydack> i was thinkin along the lines of fstab "/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8,mode=777 0       0
[22:17] <duffydack> or that...
[22:17] <duffydack> its irrelevant anyway
[22:17] <abb> it mostly is
[22:18] <roote> hi all!
[22:18] <bernhard> duffydack: i ran wine from terminal, it works
[22:18] <duffydack> I`m a few whiskeys away from falling off my chair anyway
[22:18] <abb> another satisfied customer!
[22:18] <duffydack> bernhard, ok cool
[22:18] <bernhard> maybe it would be a good idea to prevent that warning from /media/cdrom
[22:19] <roote> i can't upgrade from karmic to lucid.... help please :)
[22:20] <bernhard> roote: whats the exact problem
[22:20] <roote> "you have held broken packages" something like that... let me check the full message
[22:21] <mauri> my scanner canon lide 100 is not recognized by sane.... is there any other way to get it work
[22:21] <bernhard> mauri: dunno, i always had bad luck with anything from canon
[22:22] <roote> bernhard: in the shell where i ran "update-manager -d" i have a "WARNING: Failed to read mirror file"
[22:23] <roote> bernhard: in the update-manager GUI, i get:
[22:23] <bernhard> is it deprecated to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:24] <bernhard> btw, isnt there something like do-dist-upgrade
[22:24] <roote> "Could not calculate the upgrade"
[22:24] <KB1JWQ> bernhard: full-upgrade may be the newer one.
[22:24] <mccool_1985> updatemanager -d?
[22:24] <BluesKaj-Laptop> roote , open a terminal and do : sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:24] <duffydack> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:24] <duffydack> ^
[22:24] <duffydack> heh
[22:24] <roote> BluesKaj-Laptop: will do
[22:24] <bernhard> BluesKaj-Laptop: thats the cmd
[22:25] <bernhard> roote: i always do a clean install instead of an upgrade though
[22:25] <BluesKaj-Laptop> update manager is a bit flaky , roote..it's better to upgrade in the terminal
[22:26] <roote> bernhard: that's always preferred :)
[22:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> bernhard, well, an upgrade saves your data , a clean install is fine if you save your data to /home partition
[22:27] <bernhard> roote: yes, get a / partition with 15gb and a /home will be a lot less painful
[22:27] <bernhard> i had really bad experiences with upgrades
[22:27] <roote> bernhard: the end result is never the same
[22:28] <BluesKaj-Laptop> not me , bernhard ..mine have usually been fine
[22:28] <roote> can i paste here?
[22:28] <iconmefisto> !paste
[22:29] <roote> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413322/
[22:29] <bernhard> BluesKaj-Laptop: its especially risky if you got other repos, like skype
[22:30] <BluesKaj-Laptop> roote, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[22:31] <BluesKaj-Laptop> bernhard, I just upgraded this laptop from karmic without any probs with skype or any other apps
[22:31] <roote> BluesKaj-Laptop: no result
[22:31] <iconmefisto> same here, bernhard. upgrades seem to be smoother in the last 2-3 releases
[22:32] <BluesKaj-Laptop> roote, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:32] <yofel> err... lucid is still beta and we don't have any kind of freeze right now, so don't expect upgrades to work
[22:32] <bernhard> maybe because i did my upgrades back in 7.04+
[22:33] <Nalf> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/411783/ Can anyone help me with this?
[22:40] <marcusb> since I updated to lucid, I don't have a volume control in my panel anymore.
[22:40] <BUGabundo> marcusb: reaad the Indicator Applet
[22:41] <bernhard> marcusb: had the same problem here, audio and indicator applet merged for whatever reason
[22:41] <roote> BluesKaj-Laptop: also no result
[22:41] <BluesKaj-Laptop> marcusb, sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[22:41] <marcusb> the indicator applet only has the useless mail letter icon
[22:41] <marcusb> BluesKaj-Laptop: they are installed
[22:42] <jimerickson> when will gnome-shell functional on lucid?
[22:42] <BluesKaj-Laptop> roote, ok try installing again , sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:42] <BUGabundo> bernhard: not some random reason
[22:42] <BUGabundo> the idea is to end the tray area, where many many apps abuse it
[22:43] <BUGabundo> marcusb: not exactly. shows volume, network, social networks, user login etc
[22:43] <bernhard> BUGabundo: abuse how?
[22:43] <iconmefisto> end the tray?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> bernhard: where any and every app would loadge, use diff tranperencies, try to grab user attention
[22:44] <BUGabundo> iconmefisto: yes
[22:44] <iconmefisto> BUGabundo: you mean phasing it out? not having a tray?
[22:44] <marcusb> BUGabundo: not for me.  I have two sound cards (on board and PCI),maybe it's confused by that?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> iconmefisto: yes
[22:44] <votan_> can I trick windows into thinking my external HDD is an USB Stick ?
[22:44] <yofel> iconmefisto: removing the notification area (alias systray)
[22:44] <roote> BluesKaj-Laptop: same problem :(
[22:44] <BUGabundo> marcusb: re-add it
[22:44] <bernhard> BUGabundo: dunno what programs do that, never had problems with this
[22:44] <BUGabundo> votan_: we don't do windows support, sorry
[22:45] <bernhard> well, it will be gone anyway in gnome 3.0
[22:45] <marcusb> BUGabundo: still the same
[22:45] <bernhard> yofel: try ##windows
[22:45] <BUGabundo> bernhard: many, like email clients, IM apps, etc etc
[22:45] <votan_> BUGabundo yeh well it is to install 10.04 beta2 UNR ... but i try to figure if my usb stick is hosed or if it is another problem
[22:45] <marcusb> BUGabundo: ah, I am missing indicator-sound
[22:45] <roote> Package linux-generic has broken Depends on linux-image-generic
[22:45] <roote>   Considering linux-image-generic 1 as a solution to linux-generic 10000
[22:45] <roote>     Reinst Failed early because of linux-image-2.6.32-20-generic
[22:45] <roote>  Try to Re-Instate linux-image-generic
[22:45] <alex_____> hi all
[22:45] <BUGabundo> bernhard: ence the need to migrate app out of there
[22:45] <yofel> bernhard: ?
[22:45] <alex_____> the nvidia drive rin kubuntu lucid does not seem to install correctly
[22:45] <alex_____> is it a know bug in the beta?
[22:45] <marcusb> BUGabundo: apparently nothing depends on it
[22:46] <bernhard> yofel: type in: /j ##windows
[22:46] <yofel> bernhard: and what do I want there?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: rant?
[22:46] <yofel> haha
[22:46] <BUGabundo> or ask where is the source so you can patch something
[22:46] <iconmefisto> lol
[22:46] <yofel> XD
[22:46] <BUGabundo> hi chrisccoulson
[22:47] <BUGabundo> "I want to patch notepad so it does proper line break"
[22:47] <BUGabundo> "where can I find its source?"
[22:47] <BluesKaj-Laptop> roote, from which version are you upgrading?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> err enouth OT
[22:47] <bernhard> yofel: apart from the trolls the folsk in windows are pretty helpful
[22:47] <marcusb> BUGabundo: thanks, installing indicator-sound and re-adding did the trick
[22:48] <yofel> bernhard: what I meant was *why* are you sending me to ##windows
[22:49] <BluesKaj-Laptop> marcusb, forgot, i  have to brush up on my gnome settings :)
[22:49] <marcusb> making the volume slider horizontal is a crazy idea though, it makes moving the mouse to the slider control much harder (diagonal movement depending on volume rather than always straight down)
[22:49] <yofel> votan_ asked a windows question, not me
[22:49] <BUGabundo> yofel: bernhard got confused
[22:49] <bernhard> yofel: lol sry i misread one line over your post
[22:49] <yofel> ah, nvm then ^^
[22:49] <votan_> anways, my windows message is linux related :P
[22:49] <bernhard> currently using irssi due to empathy bugs
[22:49] <BUGabundo> marcusb: and don't even get me started with mouse scroll over it :(
[22:50] <votan_> well then another way, if I use the 10.04 wubi to install the system on an external disk, will I be able to install it form that disk onto my netbook ?
[22:50] <marcusb> BUGabundo: oh yeah, that must be mind-melting :)
[22:50] <Nader> will there be backports for 2.6.33 in lucid, and will it be stable?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> votan_: try netboot.me or boot.kernel.org
[22:50] <marcusb> BUGabundo: I'll just sit it out, they'll surely flip flop on it every couple of years...
[22:51] <BUGabundo> votan_:  then change the server to use the daily lucid iso
[22:51] <bernhard> votan_: unetbootin is also a good choice
[22:51] <bernhard> votan_: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[22:51] <BUGabundo> marcusb: or release cycle , as it depends on who is desingning it
[22:52] <votan_> i see, thx bernhard and BUGabundo
[22:52] <BUGabundo> bernhard: we've had a few reports of probs with unetbootin , hence why I didn't recommend it
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Nader: why do expect so?
[22:52] <bernhard> BUGabundo: ah ok
[22:52] <BUGabundo> on the contrary, upstream plans to make .32 much more stable
[22:52] <bernhard> votan_: well you could also boot the cd and use the usb-creator
[22:52] <Nader> BUGabundo, as far as i've read theres no ATA TRIM in .32
[22:52] <BUGabundo> and its used by MANY distro for long time releases
[22:52] <Nader> which is why im wondering
[22:53] <BUGabundo> like red hat, debian, ubuntu lucid ltc
[22:53] <BUGabundo> *lts
[22:53] <Nader> yea, thats what ive read
[22:53] <BUGabundo> the anwser is NO
[22:53] <iconmefisto> isn't usb-creator installed by default?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> we are going with .32
[22:53] <Nader> tho is there a possibility for ATA TRIM in .32?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> what ever is needed from .33 should already  be in, like DRM and alsa
[22:53] <bernhard> iconmefisto: yes
[22:53] <BUGabundo> iconmefisto: yes
[22:53] <votan_> bernhard the problem is, i used the usb creator to create my usb stick and boot, but i only get massive squashfs errors. Someone suggested that my usb thumbdrive might be hosed, so now i look for another solution. CD is not an option as it is a netbook
[22:54] <BUGabundo> Nader: there's a kernel team ppa, if you need staging. or you could file a wish bug
[22:54] <BUGabundo> don't take to long, we are long past feature freeze
[22:54] <Nader> alright
[22:54] <BUGabundo> feel free to idle #ubuntu-kernel
[22:54] <Nader> thanks
[22:54] <BUGabundo> np
[22:54] <iconmefisto> bernhard, BUGabundo: I get it now. misunderstood the cd reference
[22:55] <BUGabundo> np
[22:56] <Nader> it seems i cant chat in there... basically all i was wondering:  will there be any chance of including ATA TRIM in .32? whats the situation
[22:58] <votan_> oh, no trim support in the current beta2 kernel ?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> beats me
[22:58] <BUGabundo> I'm not a kernel dev
[22:58] <Nader> i have only googled.. im using karmic at the moment and havent recieved my SSD yet
[22:59] <votan_> weöö i've got an ssd in my netbook, so it would be quite useful if rim would be in
[22:59] <BluesKaj-Laptop> roote,
[22:59] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ?
[22:59] <votan_> i thought i read somewhere that .32 had trim support
[22:59] <bernhard> i just bought an ssd today :)
[22:59] <Nader> ive read it has TRIM support on a low level
[23:01] <Nader> it would be very useful
[23:03] <votan_> is there a way to manually trim ur ssd in 10.04 like the Intel SSD Toolbox for windows ?
[23:04] <Nader> well ive heard you can use backports
[23:04] <Nader> for 2.6.33 in lucid
[23:04] <Nader> tho ive never done that before, so im a bit sceptical
[23:04] <duffydack> votan_, trim?
[23:04] <votan_> i'll give it a shot once i managed to get lucid running on the friggin netbook
[23:05] <votan_> duffydack yes, ATA Trim for SSD's with TRIM Support
[23:05] <duffydack> votan_,  lost me lol
[23:05] <Nader> ATA TRIM is an important feature in terms of the SSD's performance and lifetime
[23:05] <duffydack> votan_, I have a meager netbook with 8gig ssd
[23:05] <duffydack> Nader, what does it do
[23:06] <votan_> i had a samsung n220 but i replaced the 5400 hdd with an Intel X-25M G2
[23:06] <agronholm> the TRIM command cleans up unused blocks in drives so that they don't have to be erased before a write is done
[23:06] <votan_> that's why I'd be interested in trim support ;)
[23:06] <votan_> duffydack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
[23:06] <Nader> i just ordered the same disk
[23:06] <votan_> if u want a more in depth explanation :)
[23:06] <Nader> for my acer 3810T
[23:06] <Nader> which is an awesome linux notebook :)
[23:06] <agronholm> I got that for my dad's laptop
[23:06] <agronholm> he was ecstatic
[23:06] <duffydack> doesnt the fact ext doesnt dump data in any old place mean its not needed?
[23:07] <Nader> only bummer is the glossy screen, tho its a matter of getting used to
[23:07] <agronholm> duffydack, eventually you'll have to reuse blocks
[23:07] <duffydack> I guess Ive got "defrag" in my mind
[23:07] <Nader> ATA TRIM changes the way you read erased blocks
[23:07] <Nader> afaik
[23:07] <Nader> defraggin an SSD isnt recommended
[23:07] <Nader> and it wont help you
[23:08] <duffydack> not an actual defrag, just .. i dunno
[23:08] <hypatia> gods why do people still think defragging does anything
[23:08] <duffydack> I thought data would be written logically in linux and I guess yes you are right, eventually it needs to be erased..
[23:09] <duffydack> I think I forgot that part about ssd.
[23:09] <yofel> hypatia: it does help with extreme fragmentation, but you don't usually need it right
[23:10] <Nader> defragging will help for certain OS and HDDS
[23:10] <BUGabundo> hypatia: because it actually works for consise files on rotatory disck
[23:10] <BUGabundo> lowering access time and load to memory
[23:10] <Nader> tho ive read you need to do it a few times
[23:10] <hypatia> it only works on fat32
[23:10] <Nader> cant confirm whether its BS or not
[23:10] <hypatia> it hasn't been necessary on NTFS in ever
[23:10] <BUGabundo> hypatia: no
[23:11] <BUGabundo> works on most FS
[23:11] <hypatia> or in systems like ext2/3
[23:11] <BUGabundo> you are mistaken
[23:11] <BUGabundo> its has very low incidence on extfs
[23:11] <duffydack> Im skeptical wether its a microsoft thing...made out to be sometihng special
[23:11] <BUGabundo> but it does happen
[23:11] <BUGabundo> usually around 10-15% tops on 75% fill disk
[23:11] <duffydack> like the boost you get with some usb sticks...not
[23:11] <hypatia> fragmentation still happens but the performance hit is negligible
[23:11] <hypatia> duffydack: lol
[23:11] <BUGabundo> if you go as high as 90% fragmentation will happen
[23:11] <Nader> ubuntu will defrag the disks after 20 mounts... or it used to
[23:12] <Nader> maybe thats just disk-check
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Nader: wrong
[23:12] <BUGabundo> will FSCK them
[23:12] <duffydack> my home os 0.1% fragged..
[23:12] <BUGabundo> you can use -D to reorder dirs
[23:12] <BUGabundo> duffydack: LOL
[23:12] <duffydack> lol
[23:12] <Nader> well
[23:12] <Nader> a disk format will usually solve any problems
[23:12] <duffydack> and my "dump" drive that gets stuff dumped and erased is ooo look its 0.0% frag
[23:13] <duffydack> guess I dont be needing any commercial defragging tool today
[23:13] <nhaines> I work for Western Digital level 2 support.
[23:13] <votan_> well anyways, if u dont wanna use .33, hdparm got manual trim support as it seems
[23:13] <nhaines> Defragging does nothing but destroy the lifetime of SSDs.  ;)
[23:13] <Nader> yea
[23:13] <Nader> but not much
[23:13] <duffydack> as does swap and journal
[23:13] <nhaines> Depends how often you use it.  It *is* competely useless, though.
[23:13] <hypatia> nhaines: have you seen scott moulton's stuff on data recovery and SSDs? it's neat :)
[23:14] <nhaines> hypatia: no, but I'll Google it.  :)
[23:14] <Nader> id like to know if swap and journal actually damages SSDs
[23:14] <hypatia> nhaines: myharddrivedied.com
[23:14] <nhaines> hypatia: ha!
[23:14] <bernhard> no one needs swap today
[23:14] <hypatia> nhaines: yeah great url :)
[23:14] <nhaines> Nader: well, our drives have pretty advanced wear-levelling enabled.
[23:14] <nhaines> But I wouldn't run swap on them!
[23:14] <Nader> no swap?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> nhaines: get me a 2T wd 64MB cache
[23:14] <BUGabundo> those stuff it TOOOO EXPENSIVE still
[23:14] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:15] <nhaines> BUGabundo: sure, but they record the serial numbers when I use my discount.  ;)
[23:15] <Nader> ok. so let me get this clear... i should never use swap?
[23:15] <hypatia> Nader: not on an SSD
[23:15] <votan_> i thought about going without swap on my ssd netbook with 2gig, what u guys think ?
[23:15] <bernhard> Nader: swap is slower ram space
[23:15] <monkeytwin> if you're swapping, you probabl have bigger problems
[23:15] <bernhard> Nader: if you got enough ram (2gb+) dont use one
[23:15] <duffydack> just  more disk writes...
[23:15] <Nader> ok
[23:15] <nhaines> With an SSD?  Depends.  if you had 2GB RAM it's probably safe.  But SSD is so expensive it's probably a waste.
[23:15] <votan_> no swap then :>
[23:15] <Nader> so swap will actually slow it down
[23:16] <Nader> ive got 4 GB
[23:16] <nhaines> Linux does what it can to not use swap space.
[23:16]  * BUGabundo is loving the conversation but its going OT very fast!
[23:16] <hypatia> though that said, i've also heard that the realistic lifetime of SSDs is such that it's not likely to die before you replace it even with things like swap turned on... is that about right nhaines ?
[23:16] <bernhard> Nader: got 4gb too and no swap
[23:16] <Nader> BUGabundo, sorry :P
[23:16] <duffydack> i got 1gb ram netbook, no swap.. I run quite a few things at once, its ok
[23:16] <BUGabundo> guys gonna ask this just once.! be consice! avoid OT
[23:16] <BUGabundo> thanks in advance
[23:16] <nhaines> Oh!  TRIM support.  Just like a CD-RW, you can't write to a SSD block unless you have erased that block.
[23:16] <Nader> believe me, ive googled ata trim
[23:16] <bernhard> Nader: i also write /tmp into ram to keep up ssd life :)
[23:17] <duffydack> bernhard, ditto
[23:17] <Nader> ok, thanks :)
[23:17] <BUGabundo> nhaines: the WD20EARS is a 4k disc ?
[23:17] <bernhard> Nader: google tmpfs
[23:17] <nhaines> So there's an ATA command to sort of manage that behind the scenes, so that the erases aren't done as you try to write.
[23:17] <votan_> so on a netbook, on which i usually dont do any memory intense computing i can get rid of my swap ? (2gig ram)
[23:18] <nhaines> BUGabundo: yes.  So, make sure you start partition 1 on sector 64, not 63.
[23:18] <bernhard> votan_: yes
[23:18] <Nader> <3 behind the scenes
[23:18] <votan_> great.
[23:18] <votan_> thx
[23:18] <bernhard> votan_: id even recommend it since they mostly got little hds
[23:18] <nhaines> nhandler: you can start fdisk in sector mode and start at 2048.  That should do it.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> nhaines: doesn't the OS/partion tool do that for us ?
[23:18] <bernhard> s/little/small/
[23:18] <nhaines> BUGabundo: nope.  Palimpset does warn about it now, though.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> thanks for the heads up
[23:19] <nhaines> Alternative, you can preformat the drive in Windows Vista or 7, and then install.
[23:19] <Nader> only distros i know of with .33 will be Fedora, arch and gentoo
[23:19] <bernhard> Nader: i thought oyu could get vanilla kernels via synaptic
[23:19] <nonameNN> is kernel fixed already?
[23:20] <nonameNN> im using 2.6.34rc1...
[23:20] <Nader> is that recommended for a distro designed for .32?
[23:20] <Nader> wont it affect performance/stability
[23:20] <bernhard> Nader: i guess so
[23:20] <BUGabundo> nonameNN: /topic
[23:20] <nonameNN> ok
[23:20]  * yofel has /tmp and /var/tmp as tmpfs adn swappiness at 0, I do need a swap though with my 2GiB RAM sometimes
[23:20] <BUGabundo> nonameNN: with that kernel don't count on a working alsa or GPU drivers
[23:20] <bernhard> Nader: just try it, otherwise compile your own^^
[23:20] <nonameNN> well... im using 2.6.34rc1 and in my case it works better than the 2.6.32--- graphic issues...
[23:21] <nonameNN> its working everything perfect
[23:21] <bernhard> yofel: didnt new about /var/tmp ty
[23:21] <Nader> bernhard, well its either that or windows 7
[23:21] <yofel> bernhard: I don't know what is put there, here kde puts the icon and theme cache there
[23:21] <Nader> tho id prefer to get lucid running with ata trim
[23:21] <yofel> bernhard: and some other things I can't identify
[23:22] <votan_> Nader or u can run hdparm via corn once a weak to use the trim command
[23:22] <bernhard> Nader: id just install the vanilla kernel
[23:22]  * duffydack sticks to good old hdd
[23:22] <votan_> cron*
[23:22] <nonameNN> what problems should i be having this kernel 2.6.34?
[23:22] <Nader> im not gonna manual trim
[23:22] <duffydack> I use my hd way too much to want a finite write device
[23:23] <Nader> wtf is a finite write device?
[23:23] <bernhard> yofel: i wont do that for my ssd though, in 6 months im maybe getting the new release and my ssd will still work
[23:23] <BUGabundo> Nader: votan_: nonameNN: as I said before: there's an 'oficial' kernel team ppa. use that if you need cutting edge
[23:23] <Nader> i thought that SSDs will last as long as a regular HDD with ata trim
[23:23] <Nader> approx.
[23:23] <nonameNN> BUGabundo: ok
[23:23] <BUGabundo> Nader: Language. thanks
[23:23] <Nader> sorr
[23:23] <Nader> sorry*
[23:23] <duffydack> Nader, cant say that when a regular hdd isnt governed by how many writes
[23:23] <votan_> Nader afaik they do, in theory.
[23:24] <MarcoPau> hello, one of most important newspaper's websites http://tv.repubblica.it/ makes my firefox 3.6.3 crashing under lucid. do you have any hint? I can't even find any crash log
[23:24] <bernhard> duffydack: they usually die of headcrashes before
[23:24] <BUGabundo> Nader: votan_: nonameNN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds
[23:24] <duffydack> when my hdd dies it`ll be because its plain dead,  not because how many writes and trims its performed
[23:24] <Nader> MarcoPau, you could try noscript
[23:24] <Nader> :P
[23:24] <nhaines> All hard drives fail.  It's just a matter of when.
[23:24] <duffydack> bernhard, I got a 10yr old laptop still in regular use...
[23:25] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please install firefox dbg symbols and start it with $ firefox -g. thanks
[23:25] <votan_> BUGabundo thx
[23:25] <Nader> dont ssds give a warning when theyre reaching poor health so to speak?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> Nader: please provide real fixes!
[23:25] <bernhard> duffydack: out of 8 hds, 2-3 died because of headcrashes
[23:25] <Nader> :/
[23:25] <duffydack> bernhard, its been battered to death with formats and writes.. I wouldnt trust an ssd to take the same
[23:25] <bernhard> MarcoPau: try disabling flash
[23:26] <MarcoPau> bernhard: well that's what that website is about :)
[23:26] <BUGabundo> bernhard: MarcoPau: lastest releases of FF have process separations. some plugins may still not like it
[23:26] <duffydack> I just dont like the idea of parts of an ssd being unable to write any more....
[23:26] <apparle> !psi
[23:26] <Simon1245> Hey guys, I am trying to upgrade my 9.10 version to 10.4 using sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:26] <nhaines> duffydack: well, the same thing happens to hard disks as well.  :)
[23:26] <apparle> !info psi
[23:26] <Nader> all HDS have finite life
[23:26] <bernhard> duffydack: id say if you keep the ssd out of the write intensive part it will do better than an hdd over long time
[23:26] <duffydack> I`ll take my flash drives as usb sticks for convenience, and nothing else
[23:26] <nhaines> Simon1245: is it a server?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> apparle: please use #ubuntu-bots or msg it directly . thank you
[23:27] <Simon1245> nhaines, No, Desktop I belive, I get this: Authentication failed
[23:27] <Simon1245> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:27] <Nader> the worst thing ive experienced was an old IBM Deskstar with bad sectors
[23:27] <nhaines> Simon1245: I'd rather run 'sudo update-manager -d' to upgrade a desktop machine.
[23:27] <Nader> tha pain
[23:27] <BUGabundo> can we PLEASE get back on TOPIC? thank you
[23:27] <duffydack> Id bet the life of a decent hdd compared to a decent ssd is far more.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> please redirect further DISK chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:28] <BUGabundo> as it has NOTHING to do with lucic
[23:28] <bernhard> MarcoPau: i dont have crashes atm, how does it crash?
[23:28] <Simon1245> nhaines, I get the same error
[23:28] <Simon1245> nhaines, Authentication failed
[23:28] <Simon1245> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> Simon1245: change mirror
[23:28] <Simon1245> BUGabundo, How?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> !mirrors
[23:29] <BUGabundo> !sources
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Simon1245: ^^^^^
[23:29] <Simon1245> BUGabundo, I'll check it 1min
[23:30] <Simon1245> BUGabundo, Nvm, I'll go and sleep now i'll check this tthing tomorrow thanks for the help guys and bye
[23:30] <core_> ne 1 like guns ?
[23:30] <bernhard> MarcoPau: browser crashes are mostly provoked by flash applets, thats why all the world rants about flash atm (apple & co)
[23:30] <BluesKaj-Laptop> odd that do-upgrade-release fails lately without changing the source mirrors, i thought the upgrade command automatically looked at the next release source repos
[23:31] <bernhard> k guys gnite
[23:32] <mo-germany> Hello everyone. Since upgrading to Kubuntu lucid, I can't enable compositing using OpenGL anymore. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?
[23:33] <yofel> mo-germany: what graphics driver?
[23:33] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: tried loading firefox -g after installing firefox-dbg but it'll freeze at Reading symbols from /opt/firefox/firefox-bin...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
[23:33] <mo-germany> yofel: intel
[23:33] <yofel> mo-germany: depends on the card you have then, compositing in kwin works fine on my 945GME
[23:33] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: press 'r'
[23:33] <BUGabundo> for RUN
[23:34] <BUGabundo> !debug | MarcoPau
[23:34] <mo-germany> yofel: hm, thanks. Where should I report a bug and what info is needed to fix it?
[23:35] <yofel> mo-germany: what does 'glxinfo | grep render' tell you?
[23:35] <apparle> what can I use for google voice chat?
[23:35] <apparle> other than empathy
[23:35] <monkeytwin> Skype
[23:36] <monkeytwin> oops
[23:36] <monkeytwin> ignore me
[23:36] <mo-germany> yofel: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[23:36] <mo-germany> about 10 times
[23:36] <mo-germany> and: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[23:36] <yofel> mo-germany: can you pastebin your Xorg log?
[23:37] <mo-germany> yofel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, right?
[23:38] <yofel> yes
[23:38] <BUGabundo> mo-germany: $ pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:38] <BUGabundo> should be fast enough
[23:39] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: SIGSEGV: 0x0472da85 in ?? () from /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:39] <BUGabundo> ohhhhhh
[23:39] <BUGabundo> that's _bad_
[23:39] <mo-germany> thanks, BUGabundo
[23:39] <BUGabundo> and NOTHING related to the browser
[23:39] <BUGabundo> sec MarcoPau
[23:39] <MarcoPau> video drivers
[23:40] <mo-germany> http://pastebin.com/wE2Hq7Nq
[23:40] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S r600_dri.so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> erkk mesa mess
[23:40] <ghizlane> hello i want to configure snort with iptables can you help me  if you have an idea
[23:40] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: can you $ ubuntu-bug  ibgl1-mesa-dri
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ghizlane: running lucid ?
 is it a package?
[23:42] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: bug cannot be reported: this is not a genuine ubuntu package
[23:43] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: using any X ppa ?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> ghizlane: it's a release of ubuntu. well a devel code name to be more exact. you are in #ubuntu+1 , home of Lucid support
[23:43] <BUGabundo> and he goes way :(
[23:44] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: well no, there's no ppa's for lucid, afaik
[23:44] <BUGabundo> there are MANY
[23:44] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: I used to have some of them for karmic but release-upgrade should have disabled all of them
[23:44] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please pastebin your souces and sources.d/ dir
[23:45] <BUGabundo> yes it should
[23:45] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: $ $ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri | pastebinit
[23:45] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: after that, I haven't enabled any
[23:46] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: that's a karmic package
[23:46] <BUGabundo> well there's you problem
[23:47] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:47] <yofel> mo-germany: I don't get this, but Xorg seems to load the nvidia glx module and then error out with "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)"
[23:47] <BUGabundo> or like I like to call it
[23:47] <BUGabundo> alias aptitudeupgrade='sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[23:47] <mo-germany> @yofel: ah, thanks. Now I get it
[23:48] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: but the karmic packages is more recent than the lucid one. 7.8.0 versus 7.7.1
[23:48] <mo-germany> Seems like the corresponding BIOS option doesn't really kill the NVidia card ...
[23:48] <BUGabundo> mo-germany: no need for '@'. this is IRC. not µblogs
[23:48] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please $ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri | pastebinit
[23:48] <mo-germany> BUGabundo: It's late ;9
[23:49] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/p9zVVd0D
[23:49] <yofel> mo-germany: did you have the nvidia driver installed? if yes then you need to switch the open gl libs from nvidia to mesa first if you want to use intel
[23:50] <linuxman410> hey has anyone here heard about epson worforce 40 printer working in ubuntu
[23:50] <ChogyDan> is the next kernel going to be version -21 or -20?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ChogyDan: current is .20
[23:50] <mo-germany> yofel: yes, temporarily, to test the Nvidia card
[23:50] <BUGabundo> but was removed today because of problems
[23:50] <mo-germany> how do I do that
[23:50] <mo-germany> ?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> although I have it running fine
[23:50] <yofel> mo-germany: sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf
[23:51] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please PURGE that package and reinstall from archive . you have the old PPA version which is higher
[23:51] <yofel> mo-germany: select mesa and restarting X should be enough (I think...)
[23:51] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: you can user ppa-purge tool from pp-edgers ppa
[23:51] <BUGabundo> I know, its ironic :)
[23:52] <mo-germany> yofel: thanks a lot, I'll try and report back
[23:52] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: LOL ok I'll reinstall that
[23:52] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: NOT reinstall
[23:52] <BUGabundo> remove the ppa orphan version of all PPA packages
[23:52] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: yeah, purge and (re)install
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and install archive
[23:52] <BUGabundo> the ppa-purge tool should to that for you pretty easy
[23:53] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: better do that from a recovery console with network
[23:53] <BUGabundo> be ready for some GPU probs
[23:53] <BUGabundo> then again you are already facing those
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: please read backlog from (2010-04-12 23:39:16) MarcoPau: BUGabundo: SIGSEGV: 0x0472da85 in ?? () from /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:57] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: ok I'm off, thanks for now!
[23:57] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: what do you want me to look at? you fixed his problem :)
[23:57] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:57] <BUGabundo> just saying in case you find more reports
[23:58] <Sarvatt> i get emails about it every day
[23:58] <BUGabundo> and in case you want to fixe your ppa
[23:58] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I see
[23:58] <Sarvatt> whats there to fix?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[23:58] <BUGabundo> its making flash crash
[23:58] <Sarvatt> theres a note you need to ppa-purge when upgrading on there, cant make people read it :)
[23:58] <BUGabundo> your are our beloved dev
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I'm just a support monkey and FLOSS advocate
[23:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: sure you can, make it Pink! seems to have worked for canonical /rant
[23:59] <Sarvatt> would be nice if the release upgrade process did the equivalent to ppa-purge instead of just disabling PPAs on upgrade :(
[23:59] <BUGabundo> ping mvo on it ?