[00:05] <ZachK_> DarkwingDuck: ping
[00:05] <DarkwingDuck> ZachK_: pong
[00:05] <ZachK_> DarkwingDuck: please pm me
[01:48] <ghostofmybrain> how would I reinstall all the lib tools?
[01:53] <Motig> Hey, are there any downsides to using the .exe installer to install Ubuntu?
[02:03] <ZachK_> Motig: ah let me see
[02:04] <ZachK_> Motig: are you referring to Wubi?
[02:05] <Motig> Err... I think so.
[02:08] <ZachK_> http://wubi-installer.org/ is this it?
[02:09] <nomnex> ZachK_, Wubi creates a virtual partition inside windoze. it is slower than having a dual boot install
[02:09] <ZachK_> nomnex: this indeed do I know
[02:09] <ZachK_> nomnex: i'm just trying to make sure of what he is referring to
[02:09] <nomnex> ZachK_, sorry the comment was for Motig
[02:10] <ZachK_> nomnex: ok..
[02:11] <nomnex> and yes, he is doing some confusion here
[02:11] <ZachK_> nomnex: meaning?
[02:11] <Motig> ZachK_, I found it here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi But I guess it's the same
[02:12] <ZachK_> Motig: it is the same yes
[02:12] <nomnex> ZachK_, wubi for "using the .exe"
[02:12] <Motig> nomnex said it was slower?
[02:12] <Motig> Slower to install, or it runs slower?
[02:13] <ZachK_> Motig: it is a bit yes...runs slower in my opinion
[02:13] <nomnex> Motig, run slower
[02:13] <Motig> Hmm
[02:13] <Motig> I would rather wait to get a blank CD then
[02:13] <ZachK_> Motig: and while dualbooting isn't the fastest way either it is a bit faster than Wubi
[02:13] <nomnex> Motig, what are you looking for?
[02:14] <ZachK_> Personally I just run Ubuntu by itself on an external hardrive while keeping Windows on a drive all by it's lonesome
[02:14] <Motig> I want to run Ubuntu on this laptop. Dual booting is what I want to do, because I want to keep Windows until I like Ubuntu
[02:14] <Motig> I have two hard drives on this laptop
[02:14] <ZachK_> Motig: do you have an external drive?
[02:14] <Motig> Um, I do, but it has my music on
[02:14] <ZachK_> nigelb: WELCOME DUDE!
[02:14] <Motig> And is probably slower than a real HDD
[02:15] <ZachK_> Motig: actually it's about the same..
[02:15] <ZachK_> I should know as I've done it a few different ways. Running an OS that is
[02:15] <Motig> You mean to run Ubuntu on the external one? Or install it only from there?
[02:15] <ZachK_> I've done VM, External Drive, Dual Boot.
[02:15] <ZachK_> Motig: I mean running Ubuntu from an external drive
[02:15] <ZachK_> completely
[02:16] <Motig> My external drive cannot be as fast as a real one :p
[02:16] <ZachK_> Motig: you'd be surprised
[02:16] <nomnex> Motig, wubi is fine for your purpose. when you like it, delete the v.part and dual boot install
[02:16] <ZachK_> Motig: but like I said...it's your preference
[02:16] <Motig> hmm.
[02:17] <Motig> I will buy a blank CD I think
[02:17] <nomnex> Motig, keep in mind that 10.04 is a few weeks aways before installing
[02:17] <Motig> How hard is it to update it?
[02:17] <nomnex> Motig, don't
[02:17] <Motig> Don't upgrade?
[02:17] <nomnex> Motig, update is the recipe for troubles
[02:18] <Motig> But doesn't Ubuntu update all the time?
[02:18] <nomnex> Motig, that's different
[02:18] <ZachK_> Motig: updating the drives and file systems is a HECK of a lot different than updating the entire SYSTEM
[02:19] <Motig> I think I read somewhere that the system updates once every 6 months?
[02:19] <Motig> The kernel, right?
[02:19] <nomnex> Motig, the Ubuntu distribution 9.10, 10.04, 10.10 etc
[02:20] <Motig> Errr
[02:20] <Motig> 2009/10, 2010/04 etc. you mean?
[02:20] <nomnex> Motig, correct
[02:21] <Motig> So yes, that means within 6 months my OS will be old? D:
[02:21] <Motig> I thought Linux was meant to be better at this :}
[02:21] <nomnex> Motig, 10.04 is a LTS version it is supported for 2 years (stable) the others are dev. version (unstable), but you can use them too
[02:22] <Motig> Ah, right.
[02:22] <Motig> That's better
[02:22] <Motig> :}
[02:22] <nomnex> Motig, I would recommend a bit or reading beforehand
[02:22] <Motig> About what?
[02:22] <nomnex> Motig, Ubuntu, Linux
[02:23] <nomnex> Motig, using Windoze now?
[02:23] <Motig> Yes
[02:23] <nomnex> win7?
[02:23] <Motig> Vista
[02:23] <nomnex> ubuntu 9.10?
[02:24] <Motig> Don't use Ubuntu atm
[02:24] <nomnex> but you said you want to try it, so what's your image?
[02:24] <Motig> I don't have one...
[02:24] <nomnex> it's still 9.10 on the downl. page
[02:25] <nomnex> from the 29 of April there going to be the 10.04, a LTS (stable) Ubuntu version
[02:25] <nomnex> might be good to wait a bit if you can
[02:25] <Motig> Ok.
[02:25] <nomnex> the diff between a Stable release and a dev. release is the testing period
[02:26] <nomnex> plus these version are maintained for 2 years (updates)
[02:27] <Motig> Okay, thanks.
[02:28] <Motig> I'll read about Linux.
[02:28] <nomnex> it's recommended to wait a bit when a new distro comes out (a few weeks or so)
[02:28] <nomnex> so the new bugs can be ironed out
[02:28] <nomnex> what's you notebook make?
[02:30] <Motig> Vaio
[02:30] <Motig> Err
[02:30] <nomnex> Motig, there a bit of learning curve at the beginning, but it worths it. I hope you will like it.
[02:30] <Motig> Well I've tried Ubuntu before
[02:30] <Motig> But I hated it
[02:30] <Motig> But I decided maybe I had a bad start
[02:31] <Motig> So I want to try it again
[02:31] <nomnex> Motig, hardware issues?
[02:31] <Motig> No, literally found no help
[02:31] <Motig> Didn't know what was going on
[02:31] <Motig> Everything I found on Google was full of jargon
[02:31] <nomnex> Motig, wait a sec.
[02:32] <Motig> I am totally new to Linux, these tutorials didn't get that; they used stuff like "grub" and "sudo" and "gnome" without even explaining them
[02:32] <Motig> I now know what these are
[02:32] <Motig> But I grew tired of it :}
[02:32] <Motig> And when you see no advantage over Windows... You give up :P
[02:32] <nomnex> Motig?
[02:32] <Motig> Yep>
[02:32] <nomnex> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html -- free guide
[02:33] <nomnex> Motig, .pdf or hard copy, it's a good start to have an idea of Ubuntu linux
[02:33] <Motig> I see.
[02:33] <Motig> Does it assume you know other Linux distros?
[02:33] <Motig> 'Cause I know nothing of linux
[02:33] <nomnex> No, that's for Ubuntu
[02:33] <Motig> No, I mean
[02:34] <Motig> Do I need to know anything about linux
[02:34] <Motig> Atall
[02:34] <nomnex> no, that's why I recommend you this free book
[02:34] <Motig> Okay, thank you
[02:34] <Motig> Oh, free?
[02:34] <Motig> Oh, yes
[02:34] <nomnex> yes, many people will tell you the same around here about this book
[02:34] <Motig> Okay I'll jsut read it then ^^
[02:34] <nomnex> yes, only the hard copy has a fee
[02:35] <nomnex> Motig, if you get by Linux (any distro) you will never use or want to use Windoze again
[02:35] <Motig> I am a gamer...
[02:36] <nomnex> Oh, then that's different, you stick to windoze for the gaming part
[02:36] <nomnex> Motig, what games?
[02:36] <Motig> Hmm
[02:36] <Motig> UT2004, BF:BC2... Err
[02:36] <Motig> Lemme think
[02:36] <Motig> I know UT2k4 actually runs on Linux
[02:37] <Motig> I doubt BF does
[02:37] <nomnex> Batt. field, that's right
[02:38] <Motig> hmm
[02:38] <Motig> Tbh though
[02:38] <Motig> I don't game on this laptop
[02:38] <Motig> I use it to make games, though
[02:38] <Motig> And work
[02:38] <Motig> :}
[02:39] <nomnex> so Linux will do
[02:40] <Motig> Yes.
[05:26] <man0riaX> Morning
[05:30] <paultag> Hallo man0riaX, wie geht's ?
[05:30] <man0riaX> paultag: Gut, und dir?
[05:31] <paultag> man0riaX, mir geht es gut! Ich bin ein bisschen mude, aber gehts gut :)
[05:31] <man0riaX> 6:30AM here and I have school in about an hour. :D
[05:31] <paultag> man0riaX, way too early for me :)
[05:32] <man0riaX> paultag: Well, yes. But since this is my last week ever I have to go there, I don't expect anything to work much
[05:32] <paultag> man0riaX, Gymnasium?
[05:32] <paultag> man0riaX, congrats :) Have you taken the arbitur ( not sure on how to spell it ) ?
[05:33] <man0riaX> paultag: Yes, Gymnasium. My Abitur exams start by the beginning of next week
[05:33] <paultag> man0riaX, Math first, then English, if I recall, right?
[05:35] <man0riaX> paultag: Monday Electrics Engineering, Friday Math, the week after (I don't know the exact day yet :D) English and at the beginning of May religion
[05:36] <man0riaX> Even though I don't believe in God I have chosen religion to be 4th exam :D
[05:36] <paultag> man0riaX, I would do the same, I think :)
[05:36] <paultag> man0riaX, I love studying religion. I don't like the idea much, but I like learning about them :)
[05:36] <man0riaX> Ye (:
[05:39] <man0riaX> I have only done much for Math and EE yet…I think I can handle English :D
[05:39] <paultag> I think so as well man0riaX, your English is very good :)
[05:39] <paultag> man0riaX, Have you seen the film Brüno? It's an American film
[05:39] <man0riaX> Ya
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, I just watched it for the first time tonight
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, I don't know how ANYONE could think his accent was German
[05:40] <man0riaX> My bus arrives in 3 minutes so I gotta go.
[05:40] <man0riaX> Well
[05:40] <paultag> eeeeeecsh
[05:40] <man0riaX> Yes
[05:40] <man0riaX> :D
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, Viel glük!
[05:40] <paultag> man0riaX, Tschuss :)
[05:40] <man0riaX> See ya later
[10:34] <smeag0l> good morning / evening everybody welcome leoquant
[10:37] <st4aluck> @women
[10:49] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Can anyone tell me how to install adobe flash player 10 for 64bit?
[10:59] <Akos> hi ZeRoDeAtH50435
[10:59] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hey
[11:01] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: read this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins#64-bit%20Firefox%20and%2032-bit%20Flash%20plugin%20%28Officially%20supported%20by%20Ubuntu%20to%20the%20extent%20possible%20with%20Flash%29
[11:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thanks
[11:03] <Akos> my pleasure
[11:11] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> will not work
[11:15] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: any errors you're getting?
[11:15] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> 404 not found
[11:16] <Akos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[11:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> do you know the command for installing restricted software
[11:18] <Akos> ZeRoDeAtH50435: it depends on what do you want to installed
[11:18] <Akos> *-d
[11:18] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> well I used it to install adobe on 9.10 64bit
[11:19] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> it was the only way it would work
[11:38] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[11:38] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hey
[11:38] <duanedesign> hello ZeRoDeAtH50435
[11:42] <duanedesign> ZeRoDeAtH50435: did you get Flash installed ok
[11:42] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I just got it
[11:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> now I need to install adobe reader
[13:52] <C-Ray> Hello! I need an Offline English Dictionary for Ubuntu 9.10. Any suggestions?
[14:07] <C-Ray1> ok I found it
[14:07] <C-Ray1> thanks
[14:07] <C-Ray1> goldendic is the answer
[19:37] <michae1> trying to install zimbra desktop beta 2 and am getting permissions denied. can anyone tell me where I can find instructional on how to correct?
[19:37] <pleia2> michae1: are you using sudo?
[19:38] <michae1> yeah. and it installs it to root, not user ( me )
[19:38] <pleia2> where are you getting permission denied?
[19:39] <michae1> after I run the user-install.pl and open / access the app.
[19:40] <pleia2> open / ?
[19:40] <michae1> there's a lock on the desktop icon ( open ) and a lock on the directory in /opt ( access )
[19:40] <michae1> when I try either, I get the permissions denied message.
[19:41] <pleia2> unfortunately I don't know much about zimbra and telling you to arbitrarily chmod things until the user can run them would be unwise
[19:42] <pleia2> is there install documentation that came with it?
[19:42] <michae1> nope.
[19:43] <michae1> followed the directions on the zimbra forum right up until it mentioned "it's a permissions issue" but didn't ellaborate on how to adjust accordingly.
[19:43] <pleia2> http://www.zimbra.com/forums/installation-help/38181-zd-2-0-beta-linux-installation-f12.html seems to have some tips (search for user-install.pl)
[19:44] <pleia2> "chmod" is the command to change permissions on something, so to give all users read access you'd do something like: chmod o+r file.pl
[19:45] <pleia2> execute would be o+x (o == other users not in the file's group, so everyone), x == execute, r == read
[19:47] <michae1> be right back - got an idea...
[19:50] <michae1> last question for the session - is there a resource available that illustrates how to see what permissions are set where for who ( kind of a global permissions search )?
[19:51] <pleia2> you can figure it out per file, but you'd have to write a little script for something globally
[19:53] <pleia2> for the single file:
[19:53] <pleia2> elizabeth@r2d2:~$ ls -alh test/check.sh
[19:53] <pleia2> -rw-r--r-- 1 elizabeth video 184 2009-04-13 11:18 test/check.sh
[19:53] <pleia2> so it's read write for the owner (u), elizabeth, readable by the group video (g) and readable by everyone else (o)
[19:55] <pleia2> michae1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[19:58] <michae1> pleia2: yeah... uh... got through the first couple of lines and my eyes crossed. guess I need to find a dumbed down version for me who's trying to break away from the death clutch of winblows.
[19:59] <pleia2> michae1: if you open up gnome's file manager and click on "properties" of a file it should also show you permissions
[20:10] <michae1> pleia2: are you still available?
[20:11] <pleia2> michae1: somewhat, am at work :) what's up?
[20:12] <michae1> pleia2: never mind. know you got stuff to do to... will look more into chmod - zdesktop directory in my home direcotry is accessible only by root and me thinkst that's where the problem may lie...
[20:12] <michae1> thanks for the insight.
[20:13] <pleia2> perhaps, feel free to ask your questions anyway, there may be others here who can help :)
[20:13] <pleia2> good luck
[20:13] <michae1> what the worse that can happen. I'll have to reload the box...
[20:14] <pleia2> yeah, hopefully you can avoid that
[20:14] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> can anyone tell me the command to install a Brother MFC-255CW printer/scanner on 64bit
[20:15] <michae1> hey - it's not aiwndows box, so it's not like it's gonna go lurch on me. most of this is reverse engineer-fixable.
[20:26] <PabloRubianes> hi... anyone know how to...
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> I am asking something in name of a guy from uruguay...
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> Network problem
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> someone here?
[20:27] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> :-)
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> the thing is...
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> He has a server connected to internet via wireless modem
[20:28] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> that server is also connected to a router
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> and the router to other clients
[20:29] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> he can see the server from the clients but he want to share the internet access
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> there's any way?
[20:29] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> so the sever is wireless but the other computer connections are wired
[20:30] <PabloRubianes> the only wireless is de modem
[20:30] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> share how
[20:30] <PabloRubianes> but that works
[20:30] <PabloRubianes> share as have internet access in the clients
[20:31] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> so the clients can not access the internet
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> no
[20:31] <PabloRubianes> that's the problem
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> the clients only access to the server
[20:32] <PabloRubianes> duanedesign: ping :P
[20:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> so they can access the server but not the internet
[20:33] <PabloRubianes> yes
[20:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> are the client computers setup to access the internet though a server
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> don't know that, what he had to setup to do that?
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> so I ask him...
[20:37] <cliff> I was wondering if there was anyway I could set up the keyboard shortcuts to a command that includes the compose key. This is hard to explain but I'll try. Suppose what I want for the shortcut to be is every time I press: winkey + a, the result (command) is: compose + ' + a, (which yields the result á). This would be very useful cause it takes the effort from 3 keys I press to 2. Does any1 have any idea if this is possible?
[20:39] <PabloRubianes> cliff: have you tried System- prefference- key conbination?
[20:39] <PabloRubianes> I don't know if is key combination because I have and spanish version...
[20:40] <cliff> I really dont know what that is, can u show me?
[20:41] <pedro3005> PabloRubianes, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[20:41] <PabloRubianes> That one... Sorry I have the spanish version!
[20:41] <PabloRubianes> thanks pedro3005
[20:42] <cliff>  I just dont know how to write the command for: comp. + ' + a in the keyboard shortcuts to create as a custom...
[20:43] <cliff> I can already write and use comp key, its just thaat i need to use 3 keys to write á or ñ, etc and was wondering if I could shorten it with a keyboard shortcut down to 2...
[20:45] <pedro3005> cliff, hm.. well, try asking on ubuntuforums.org
[20:48] <cliff> I just did, right now... I dont know if it helps, but in what language are the commands written in? Maybe I can google it up as a command for the language it uses...
[20:50] <cliff> I'm just looking to see if I get lucky and it ends up being something like: print á or cout << "á"  or something like that...
[20:55] <michae1> pleia2: thank you...thank you...thank you. took me a while, but finally figured out how to get the chmod to work allowing me access to the zdesktop directory and being able to FINALLLY launch the app. did I say thank you?
[20:55] <pleia2> michae1: hooray! you're welcome :)
[20:56] <michae1> well, fortunately no blood, more sweat than I care for and almost came to tears!!! thank you for your help and patience and sorry for bothering you at work ( again ).
[20:56] <pleia2> no worries, glad to hear you got it figured out
[22:21] <drew212> i need some help getting my printer back online after upgrading to 10.04, anyone available?
[22:31] <drubin> drew212: what is your printer make and model
[22:36] <drew212> hp psc950
[22:36] <drew212> it worked in 9.10