[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <akgraner> dholbach, good morning :-)
[07:27] <dholbach> hi akgraner
[21:46] <Aiween> hi
[21:48] <Pendulum> hi Aiween
[21:48] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: hey
[21:50] <Aiween> hi Pendulum
[21:51] <MichelleQ> Hey there everyone
[21:52] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: I hadn't even thought to poke you on this, but in case you hadn't seen it and might be interested, http://pendulumtech.wordpress.com/2010/04/11/reviving-the-ubuntu-accessibility-team/
[21:53] <MichelleQ> Pendulum: I'd absolutely be in on that one
[21:53] <MichelleQ> all you've got to do is shout
[21:53] <MichelleQ> I don't know whether or not I'll be able to make the meeting tomorrow, tho.
[21:54] <MichelleQ> Mike and I've been kicking around the notion of an ubuntu-for-the-elderly - we've nicknamed it "Elderbuntu" in our heads.
[22:02] <Pendulum> yeah, no worries. I realised that the time probably wasn't great for you
[22:11] <Aiween> bye
[22:25] <maco> MichelleQ: i think there's a monty python joke in there
[22:26] <maco> your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderbuntus?
[22:40] <MarkDude> MichelleQ, - my GMA would really like Elderbuntu - its hard to change the settings since she cant see unless it is 800 x600
[22:40] <MarkDude> A Qimo-like interface for her would rock!
[22:45] <JanC> MarkDude: better use a higher resolution & change the size of screen elements
[22:49] <MarkDude> Uh, I tried that - she is so particular about the dimensions. The fonts look slightly different with any other way. Her make or break app was MS solitaire - it *had* to appear *exactly* the way Windows used to- We did make a power-off button that takes up half the screen (it uses visudo to power off)
[22:51] <MarkDude> even 1024 on the big plasma only works for Facebook for her,
[22:52] <maco> MarkDude: er....gksudo?
[22:53] <maco> visudo is for editing /etc/sudoers
[22:53] <MarkDude> Its cool though - she NOW can read 90% of her email - she could not do that a while ago. No big deal if I have to change res to DO actual stuff to - I just need  change back
[22:54] <MarkDude> maco - I think we tried that at 1st & some part of her hardware would not shut down- There was some cringing when we used visudo
[22:54] <maco> MarkDude: how on earth are you using visudo to shut down though?
[22:54] <MarkDude> We tried the testbook ways 1st
[22:54] <MarkDude> Let me check
[22:54] <maco> visudo just opens a text editor
[22:54] <maco> as root
[22:54] <maco> to the /etc/sudoers file
[22:55] <maco> and adds some syntax highlighting settings
[22:56] <MarkDude>  My bad - I misread my notes
[22:57] <MarkDude> sudo shutdown -P now   <<<< Rainman on my part
[22:58] <valorie> what is the -P for ?
[22:58] <MarkDude>  /me does not know -
[22:58]  * valorie just uses sudo halt
[22:58] <MarkDude> lol
[23:00] <MarkDude> I need to have it documented better - I want to have a few of these things organized better - it took us a ridiculous amount of time to get the power button. She tends to open windows on accident- and that stops the shutdown
[23:05] <MarkDude> visudo was used for something before we did that. My handwritten notes are terrible. Good catch maco - now I need to go figure out how this will work for Lucid (or IF)
[23:05] <maco> -P tells it "and make sure you power off"
[23:06] <maco> remember how win95 would shut down and then put up text "it is now safe to turn off your computer"?
[23:08] <MarkDude> Yep - it was not happy without -P
[23:09] <JanC> maco: PCs couldn't be powered of programmatically back then  ;)
[23:09] <JanC> off
[23:10] <maco> i think centos 5.4 in vmware requires -P
[23:10] <maco> but not other distros
[23:11] <JanC> IIRC there are by now 3 ways to power off a computer programmatically
[23:12] <JanC> and all of them don't work with some hardware  ;)
[23:13] <JanC> as is usual for "IBM PC compatible" hardware
[23:14] <JanC> maybe "-P" tries them all  :P
[23:21] <Tm_T> -P was "poweroff" message (ACPI?)
[23:21] <Tm_T> if my flaky memory doesn't fail