[12:50] <highvoltage> mhall119: qimo-{session,wallpaper} has been accepted into the archives \o/
[14:08] <mhall119> highvoltage: yeah/w 30
[14:08] <mhall119> Riddell wants me to put a version number on the CC-BY-SA though
[14:08] <mhall119> so when I make those changes, and have the fixed qimo-session package, do I upload them to revu again?
[14:10] <highvoltage> mhall119: nope, since they're existing packages now it's just a bug fix, so you could send me a debdiff and I can just sponsor it
[14:11] <mhall119> cool, do I increment the Qimo version number, the Ubuntu version number, or both?
[14:11] <highvoltage> mhall119: the ubuntu version number
[14:11] <mhall119> ok
[14:11] <highvoltage> mhall119: so if it was 0ubuntu1 it would then be 0ubuntu2
[14:12] <highvoltage> mhall119: you'd increment the qimo version number if the upstream version number has changed
[14:14] <mhall119> hmmm, right now it's -ubuntu1, not -0ubuntu1
[14:14] <mhall119> the -0 is if it's coming from Debian, correct?
[14:31] <mhall119> highvoltage: do you just need the output from "debdiff qimo-session_2.0.0-ubuntu1.dsc qimo-session_2.0.0-ubuntu2.dsc"
[14:31] <mhall119> ?
[14:39] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep
[14:40] <highvoltage> mhall119: I basically get your source package again, apply the diff and then upload, although at this stage you'll need an FFe for bug fixes as well
[14:41] <highvoltage> mhall119: maybe it can still count towards that needs-packaging bug since it's just a packaging bug being fixed right?
[14:44] <mhall119> right
[14:44] <mhall119> I didn't think bug fixes required an FFe
[14:45] <mhall119> ok, so you want the qimo-session_2.0.0-ubuntu2.diff.gz then
[14:45] <mhall119> not the diff between -ubuntu1 and -ubuntu2
[14:46] <mhall119> if you're applying it to the .orig file
[14:50] <highvoltage> mhall119: usual procedure is, file a bug, subscribe the sponsor, then attach the debdiff to the bug
[14:50] <highvoltage> mhall119: it sounds very tedious but it's not that bad, and it leaves a 'paper trail' that you can use when applying for motu, edububuntu-dev, etc
[14:51] <mhall119> ok
[14:51] <mhall119> so you want me to just attach these to the existing bugs?
[14:51] <mhall119> or create new ones?
[18:51] <bencrisford> highvoltage: do you mind if i try and sort out the advocacy team?
[18:51] <bencrisford> i.e. emailing members asking them if they are still active (which most of them arent)
[18:51] <bencrisford> and accepting/declining members and stuff
[18:52] <bencrisford> someone requested to join last month, so if we can accept the recent people, it might give us a few contributors
[18:52] <highvoltage> bencrisford: it would probably be better deactivating them with a message explaining why, and inviting them to rejoin if interested
[18:52] <highvoltage> (well, less work anyway)
[18:53] <bencrisford> oh ok, that sounds like a better idea yeah :)
[18:53] <highvoltage> bencrisford: you're basically leading that so it's up to you, but yes I think it's a good idea to clean up
[18:53] <bencrisford> ill check it out then :)
[18:58] <mhall119> highvoltage: where do you need me to put the deb diffs?
[18:59] <highvoltage> mhall119: on the bug report
[18:59] <mhall119> the original?
[18:59] <mhall119> They're marked Fix Committed now
[18:59] <highvoltage> mhall119: see our discussion from earlier :)
[18:59] <highvoltage> mhall119: you need to:
[18:59] <mhall119> right, I was confused as to thether to use the existing one, of file a bug, since you mentioned both
[19:00] <highvoltage> 1. File a new bug describing what needs to be done and ask for FFe
[19:00] <highvoltage> 2. Subscribe release-team
[19:00] <highvoltage> 3. Attach the debdiff to the bug report
[19:01] <mhall119> and the diff should against .orig.tar.gz, not against the last -ubuntu version, correct?
[19:02] <highvoltage> 15:31 < mhall119> highvoltage: do you just need the output from "debdiff qimo-session_2.0.0-ubuntu1.dsc qimo-session_2.0.0-ubuntu2.dsc"
[19:02] <highvoltage> 15:39 < highvoltage> mhall119: yep
[19:02] <highvoltage> sometimes I wonder if I'm talking to the same mhall119 :)
[19:02] <mhall119> right, but then you told me you'd apply the diff to the original package
[19:02] <mhall119> 09:36 < highvoltage> mhall119: I basically get your source package again, apply the diff and then upload, although at  this stage you'll need an FFe for bug fixes as well
[19:03] <mhall119> unless I misunderstood what you meant by "source package"
[19:03] <highvoltage> mhall119: debdiff makes the diff's between the appropriate files, if you use it on the .dsc files like you mentioned before, then you don't need to make any other diffs on .orig files or anything like that
[19:03] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok
[19:03] <mhall119> ok, will take care of that now
[19:04] <highvoltage> mhall119: the source package is the package that is used to build the binary packages that people ultimately install on their systems
[19:04] <highvoltage> mhall119: that's the set of tarballs and stuff you get when doing an apt-get source <packagename>
[19:11] <mhall119> debdiff doesn't seem to be showing changes to my source files
[19:12] <mhall119> oh wait, I know why, nevermind
[19:12] <highvoltage> ok :)
[19:16] <bencrisford> highvoltage: im trying to track down all the recent members and de-activating the old ones
[19:16] <bencrisford> then ill email and explain like you suggested
[19:16] <bencrisford> and ask them to come back if they can and want to :)
[19:17] <mhall119> highvoltage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qimo-session/+bug/562471
[19:23] <highvoltage> bencrisford: ok
[19:28] <highvoltage> mhall119: hmm, sure you didn't edit the CC-BY-SA file inbetween? the patch for that file fails to apply
[19:29] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok, seems like all that needed to change was the version number? I'll just add that manually
[19:30] <mhall119> to the CC-BY-SA
[19:30] <mhall119> Riddell asked me to add a version #
[19:31] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok
[19:31] <mhall119> I did re-build using the old version at one point, which is what was throwing me off earlier, if it's not applying, let me correct it the right way
[19:31] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i think i did it right :S, edited the members by putting a comment explaining and clicking de-activate
[19:31] <bencrisford> brb
[19:32] <highvoltage> mhall119: it's also usually a good idea to add something like "(Closes LP: #562471)" to the description in the changelog, that way the launchpad janitor can mark the bug as fixed when the package is uploaded, I'll just add that for now
[19:32] <mhall119> ok, I'll make those changes and re-attach a diff
[19:33] <highvoltage> mhall119: I already did and uploaded
[19:34] <highvoltage> mhall119: (sorry if you explicitely wanted to)
[19:34] <mhall119> it's okay, just wanted to do things the right way
[19:35] <highvoltage> mhall119: I mentioned it for future packages, I'm sure you'll have more packaging work as soon as maverick opens up :)
[19:35] <mhall119> I'm sure
[19:36] <mhall119> okay, well then I'm off to work on my beta ISO
[19:36] <mhall119> thanks again for all your help highvoltage
[19:36] <highvoltage> and same to you mhall119
[19:36] <highvoltage> it's nice knowing that ubuntu users will know have easy access to a qimo desktop by just selecting some packages
[19:37] <mhall119> yeah, I'm excited
[19:38] <mhall119> but I need to do something about the dependencies it pulls in
[19:38] <mhall119> it's like 400MB even on an Xubuntu system
[19:39] <mhall119> I may need to put some packages into Suggests or Recommends
[19:39] <mhall119> also, something is pulling in a bunch of ttf packages, and i'm not sure why
[19:41] <highvoltage> mhall119: you bring in all of xubuntu-desktop?
[19:41] <mhall119> no, just xfce4
[19:42] <mhall119> but oddly enough, Xubuntu-desktop doesn't depends on the xfce4 metapackage, it specified which ones it depends on
[19:42] <mhall119> so I may be able to reduce that too
[19:44] <mhall119> much work to do for maverick
[19:45] <highvoltage> *nod*
[19:46] <mhall119> heck much work left to do for Lucid
[19:47] <highvoltage> heh, yes. from my side I'm just doing some ltsp testing (I think I found some bad bugs but I just need to retest and confirm) and getting the new edubuntu logo in when it lands
[19:48] <highvoltage> besides that there won't be time for anything else since final freeze is basically just around the corner
[19:48] <highvoltage> but then there's the website that needs to get ready, release parties, etc :)
[19:48] <highvoltage> and blueprints and getting ready for uds... the cycle just goes on and on :)
[19:49]  * highvoltage is using way too many smiley faces today
[19:49] <mhall119> did you get the new font yet?
[19:49] <stgraber> hey everyone
[19:50]  * mhall119 won't be at UDS this year either
[19:50] <mhall119> maybe next cycle
[19:59] <bencrisford> stgraber: hi :)
[20:32] <highvoltage> mhall119: heh, package was rejected because it was marked as karmic in the changelog file, I somehow missed that
[20:32] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'll change to lucid and re-upload
[20:32] <mhall119> ah! dch failed me
[20:32] <mhall119> should have edited it by hand
[20:33] <mhall119> all these tools and their magic
[20:33] <highvoltage> mhall119: using dch is good... just keep an eye on what it does :)
[20:33] <mhall119> I know, I know
[21:49] <bencrisford> rockstar: fancy seeing you here :P
[21:50] <bencrisford> we are really grateful for your support :)
[21:53] <rockstar> bencrisford, :)
[21:53] <bencrisford> rockstar: if you have any advocacy material to share then there is a bzr branch on the lp team
[21:53] <bencrisford> people are around on here most of the time if you need help with other things
[21:54] <bencrisford> you can find a list of bugs in edu packages at http://tinyurl.com/EduBugs
[21:54] <bencrisford> and im not quite sure what else to say :)
[21:55] <rockstar> bencrisford, yeah, I've been through this a few times before.
[21:56] <bencrisford> rockstar: well, hopefully this time will be better
[21:56] <bencrisford> :]
[21:56] <rockstar> bencrisford, Ubuntu development is like reading the Bible, most people don't get past Genesis chapter 4.
[21:56] <rockstar> But they know those 4 chapters pretty well!
[21:57] <bencrisford> rockstar: heh, i know what you mean
[21:57] <bencrisford> but then, suddenly, you venture to genesis 5 and everything gets better
[21:57] <bencrisford> its like running
[21:57] <bencrisford> the first 2 miles are hell
[21:58] <bencrisford> but then its a little easier going
[21:58] <bencrisford> but not enough people go past the first 2 miles
[23:13] <bencrisford> highvoltage: https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-school-support - is that an official team?
[23:57] <bencrisford> night all