[00:00] apachelogger: looks good to me. [00:00] apachelogger: once your testing is done, please upload. [00:00] k :) [00:00] apachelogger: make sure that all the necessary bits are in client-core [00:02] mathiaz: works just fine .... BUT having mysql in there is actually a bit of a hack, it does not even get used, the only reason it is there is because mysql_upgrade looks for it but doesnt seem to use it at all [00:03] i.e. touching and chmodding in $PATH would work just as well ^^ [00:03] apachelogger: really - I would be surprise [00:03] apachelogger: I haven't looked at the code though [00:03] seriously, upgrading worked just fine without it *shrug* [00:04] Tm_T: akonadi is growing support for sqlite btw [00:04] apachelogger: have you looked at the code? [00:04] mathiaz: nope [00:04] apachelogger: how can you tell that the upgrade worked? [00:04] apachelogger: ouch [00:05] same results as with proper mysql-client installed [00:05] well [00:05] * apachelogger uploads to ppa and browses the code a bit [00:05] apachelogger: is akonadi using the new features of 5.1? [00:06] apachelogger: if not, it may not be enough to check whether the upgrade *actually* worked [00:06] mathiaz: unlikely, the lead storage dude said that all his machines are still using 5.0 [00:06] mathiaz: what do you suggest? [00:06] apachelogger: check the code [00:06] k [00:07] apachelogger: and make sure that the mysql binary is not called by the mysql_upgrade script [00:07] first one must find it of course ^^ [00:07] that is interesting [00:08] mathiaz: mysql_upgrade is in ./client/ yet we ship it in the server package [00:08] apachelogger: yes - because you wanna run it on system where a mysql server is running [00:09] well, it clearly depends on the client anyway, so... [00:09] apachelogger: hm actually - that's not true [00:09] apachelogger: mysql_upgrade can probably connect to the remote server and do the ugprade there [00:09] which might be why it is in the client source [00:11] aha [00:11] Run query using "mysql" [00:11] */ [00:12] called by /* [00:12] Update all system tables in MySQL Server to current [00:12] version using "mysql" to execute all the SQL commands [00:12] compiled into the mysql_fix_privilege_tables array [00:12] */ [00:12] makes sense after all [01:20] JontheEchidna: So no major issues on your end to speak of? Once I file the sync request / FFe, feel like adding a comment with the testing you did? [01:27] ryanakca: what's the tip of the day idea on ofirk's website design? [01:29] Riddell: FYI, the "Kubuntu 9.10 is out!" is now "Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx is out!" [01:30] Hm [01:35] Riddell: If I remember correctly, it contains a random tip of the day for a KDE application. Like the Tip of the day when one opens a KDE app (or opened, haven't seen them in ages, but that's because I always clicked the "Don't show this again" box) [01:36] yeah, suggests to me it's not a good idea since they're out of fashion and it's the sort of thing we get rid of in kubuntu [01:36] but that space could be used for the user profiles and other bits on the current kubuntu.org front age [01:36] page [01:37] Riddell: OK [01:47] Riddell: Jay Franklin's blurb is up by the way [01:47] if i only have the usb i isnstalled and no internet how to install the restricted network drivers? only have wireless [01:48] Does the Kubuntu.org site auto cycle through those info bits? [01:48] daskreech: Unfortunately not [01:48] * daskreech winces. Techinical barrier or just an oversight ? [01:50] daskreech: Bit of the two. It's easier to change things manually every now and then than write a script and have it reviewed and yadda yadda. [01:52] ryanakca: I'm not sure I've tested it properly to get a good idea of its stability. I'm not exactly sure how to use it [01:52] JontheEchidna: Have time to more thoroughly test it with me, assuming I can get it to behave on my end? [01:52] ryanakca: sure [01:53] waiting for kde4libs to compile at the moment anyhow ;) [01:53] JontheEchidna: OK, just a sec === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:12] JontheEchidna: bug 561950 :) [02:12] Launchpad bug 561950 in kobby "Please sync kobby_1.0~beta5-2 from Debian unstable (main) to Kubuntu Lucid (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561950 [03:18] I think it is only fair that I should be able to bill Canonical for the 5+ years of work I have done around here, so with that said, sabdfl are you listening? -> http://tinyurl.com/y5jmdqp - I figured this was better than the $380,000 USD I came up with :D [03:19] so that bike costs 380k? :) [03:19] it is exactly the same bike I broke last year in a race while I was thinking of ways to make Kubuntu better :) [03:19] about $5,000 [03:20] hrmm i would blame your fat ass for breaking the bike and not thinking about kubuntu broke the bike [03:20] thanks [03:20] your welcome [03:20] madness all around [03:20] i crashed, that's what broke that bike [03:21] now I am racing on a $800 bike, it just isn't the same [03:21] Hm [03:22] actually, I think $4,500 is all I need, as Trek is one of my team's sponsors, so we get discounts [03:22] * apachelogger can indeed imagine that there is less fear of breaking a 800 bike than a 5000 [03:22] then again 5000 USD is like 100 EUR, so that problem would not occur for me anyway :P [03:22] not so much fear, but with the $800 bike, it is harder to stay in the pack, therefor you don't usually crash by yourself [03:23] nixternal: are you a wolf that you want to stack in the pack? :) [03:23] I can save Canonical $1,000 by changing out the wheels, but I think it is only fair to run carbon clinchers on that beauty [03:24] * apachelogger agrees and pokes some json documents [03:24] wow you have competly lost me [03:24] uhm, now they are broken [03:24] I am the that wants to be in the pack [03:24] what animal can I insert there? [03:24] i don't know actually, what is a predator of a wolf? [03:24] * genii welds his crappy old steel tubing bike back together and carries on [03:24] * apachelogger always did triage bugs in school and doesnt know :( [03:24] dear $securitycompany your private ftp sites shouldn't be googleable espeically when they contain username and password [03:24] or a wolf's predator? [03:25] nixternal: Other wolves? bears? [03:25] aliens for sure [03:25] genii: I thought bears, but wasn't sure how they hell they would catch a wolf [03:25] Us? [03:25] no hold on [03:25] aliens and predators [03:25] apachelogger: And humans [03:25] or maybe only one of them [03:26] humans are only intersted in ponies!!!!!!!!!! [03:26] nixternal: tell him [03:26] * genii munches on a pony [03:26] genii: but if I went with human, PETA would be all over me [03:26] Hm [03:26] rightly so [03:26] animal on animal brutality is OK though, though humans are animals...damn that PETA [03:27] sup peeps [03:27] qdebug is utter crap compared with kdebug [03:27] long live kdebug \o/ [03:27] * apachelogger makes his qlib a klib [03:27] muahhahaa [03:28] imbrandon: nixternal wants to munch wolves it seems [03:28] apparently cyclists do that [03:28] *shrug* [03:29] lol [03:29] * apachelogger throws away his lib and considers going to bed [03:29] bah, sleep is for the weak [03:29] Riddell: I might indeed have been to optimistic regarding the u1 akonadi stuff [03:29] kubotu: time [03:29] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Tue Apr 13 04:30 CEST [03:29] true, no point in going to bed now anyway [03:29] nixternal: I guess the baby seal beaters have disenchantched PETA [03:30] * apachelogger diggs through to desktop [03:30] oh cmon now srsly!!!! [03:30] still no sun shine in sight [03:30] you gotta have balls to mess with a baby seal...in california I tried to get close to take a picture of a couple of baby seals and mama seal chased me for a good 100 yards [03:30] never knew seals could move that fast [03:31] nixternal: why did you want to take a picture anyway? [03:31] they were so damn cute [03:31] isn't that like ponrography, considering they are technically not wearing anythinhg? [03:31] Heh [03:32] Canonical, while you are at it, I could use a new time trial bike too, mine just isn't cool enough anymore....3 years old equipment gets slower :) http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/triathlon/equinox_ttx/equinoxttx99ssl/ [03:32] {"couchdb":"Welcome","version":"0.10.0"} [03:32] horrible [03:32] just horrible [03:32] nixternal: Ride a crappy old bike and be happy! ;) [03:33] * apachelogger rides a crapppy old bike and is not happy [03:33] not advisable [03:33] really [03:33] :P [03:33] Bah [03:33] uhhhhh [03:33] reading works [03:33] sweet [03:33] me@osiris:~$ curl http://localhost:33397/_all_dbs [03:33] ["management","users","contacts"] [03:34] genii: I race though, crappy doesn't cut it [03:34] question of course is, where one gets the documentation for all them interfaces [03:35] http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/2708563780/in/set-72157606404909644/ [03:35] genii: that's what I am racing now, just doesn't cut it ^^ [03:35] apachelogger: Do you still have those files I emailed you? [03:35] Hm [03:35] * apachelogger falls over [03:35] DarkwingDuck: do you need to bling me that loud? [03:36] apachelogger: :D My apoligies [03:37] * genii slides nixternal a composite frame penny-farthing [03:37] hehe [03:38] apachelogger: the reason for my asking is the bug that you and ScottK were talking about, the answers should lie somewhere in those files. I'm digging and seeing if I have them still [03:38] dude [03:38] fetch you mail [03:40] ah [03:40] * apachelogger cant copynpaste ^^ [03:41] What? [03:41] apachelogger: I switched out Harddrives and switched to AMD64 instead of i686 since then. [03:42] DarkwingDuck: fetch your mail^!!!1 [03:42] * apachelogger finds it scary when a host of apache.org times out [03:42] and it is all moinmoin's fault [03:43] What mail am I looking for? [03:43] The packaging branch? [03:43] * apachelogger sent mail :P :P :P :P [03:43] * apachelogger is going to fall apart [03:43] No, I don't have it. [03:44] Well, wait... [03:44] BRB... I'm going to see if this will work. [03:44] AH [03:45] moinmoin fowarded me to a stupid german translation of the frontpage [03:45] no wonder I did not find no documentation ^^ [03:45] * genii shakes an impotent fist somewhere in the general direction of moinmoin [03:47] genii: editmoin can be your friend [03:50] apachelogger: You saw mathiaz answer about mysql? [03:50] yes [03:55] apachelogger: you may beat me for not remembering I used my never used gmail account to email those to you [03:56] :D [03:56] DarkwingDuck: you did very much indeed [03:57] LOL At least I remembered that I emailed those to you [03:58] that is something [03:58] wooohoooo [03:58] * apachelogger just broke an addressbook entry created with evolution [03:58] that is actually fun [03:58] * apachelogger could destory data all day long ^^ [03:59] lol [03:59] How about fixing the akonadi issue :P:P [03:59] too little sleep [03:59] well [03:59] no sleep [03:59] actually [04:00] I could be testing upgrading mysql [04:00] :D [04:00] but I am afraid I wouldnt find the proper terminal at this time of day [04:00] I might wipe my system [04:00] That would be bad juju [04:00] nixternal: ping [04:06] QVariant(QVariantMap, QMap(("error", QVariant(QString, "conflict") ) ( "reason" , QVariant(QString, "Document update conflict.") ) ) ) [04:06] damn [04:07] hm, seems as if it got accepted though [04:08] cool [04:08] actually [04:08] darn awesome [04:08] * apachelogger can edit stuff in couchdb [04:29] debfx: Bad news on the powerdevil patch. I still get the double suspend. [04:32] DarkwingDuck: pong [04:40] hey nixternal... Are you still awake ;D [04:51] Has anyone else seen Landscape/Portrait reversal between what Okular shows and printer applets does? I see this in Karmic and Lucid [04:51] JontheEchidna, Riddell ^ [04:51] been like that since 4.0.0 [04:51] oh. no fix? [04:51] Qt Software just don't give to craps [04:52] hmm,,, s9omething we should look to fix for Maverick? [04:52] good luck (tm) [05:04] LCD on my laptop died. [05:07] Does Dell offer any non-crap laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled? [05:12] Rumour has it that they don't. [05:12] And that Ubuntu works great on their less bad notebooks, but isn't there by default. [05:13] Dell Canada > Dell US [05:13] :) [05:14] Indeed. Different markets have different offerings, some of which are better than others for given user segments :) [05:15] I got 8.04 on my Mini with 2 GB RAM, and you can get that anywhere else (the 2GB) [05:15] For example, Dell offers no products with Ubuntu preinstalled here (although there will be some available later this month, supposedly) [05:16] s/products/laptops/ (apologies fo failing to notice the OptiPlex offerings) [05:24] * txwikinger thinks we need to integrate kubuntu into testdrive [05:27] persia: That was my experience last time I bought a laptop ~two years ago. [05:29] Market segmentation is anti-competitive and disallowed by EU law [05:30] Of course now that I realize it was ~two years ago and not ~three, it may be under warranty.... [05:31] txwikinger: So one has to offer the exact same products in Europe everywhere? [05:31] Well.. yes [05:31] One wonders how test marketing would work? [05:31] the rule says you cannot restrict a retailer to sell in a particular territory [05:31] I see. [05:32] so if they have an offer in Germany, the retailer is allowed to sell to anywhere in the EU [05:32] Well in Dell's case they don't restrict retailers, they choose to sell directly. [05:32] So it doesn't seem that would enter into it. [05:32] Even there [05:32] if you get to the Dell germany site they cannot refuse to deliver to UK or wherever else [05:32] and they cannot refuse warranty [05:33] Sounds very inconvenient for business. [05:33] Well.. your business has to have a certain size [05:33] Such that your behaviour can have a anti-competitive effect on the market [05:34] however, this can be as little a 16% of the market [05:34] So the small family business does not have the same obligation [05:36] If I'm running Dell Germany, how would I even know if Greece has any special rules? [05:36] special rules? [05:36] If my section of the company is focused on one market, how can it be expected to know about other markets? [05:37] I've no idea (which is rather the point). [05:37] Maybe Greece has requirements around offering to recycle old computers when you sell a new one? [05:37] No idea. [05:37] In what sense? Greece cannot diallow any product to be sold which is allowed in any other country [05:38] Well. Greece as a country cannot do anything that would hinder companies outside of GREECE [05:38] to sell in their market.. that would be anti-competetive by itself [05:39] That used to be the problem with cars [05:39] but they introduce the EU certificate that every car has to comply with and hence you can import it from any EU country into any other [05:40] i.e I bought a car in Germany registered it in Luxembourg and then took it to England [05:41] because in Luxembourg and UK the models had different packages that I did not like [05:42] So that would be the analogy to your Dell issue [05:44] Essentially, the "EU" is taking the "state" out of "nation-state" and handing that at a higher-level. [05:45] persia: Well.. in some way yes.. however, this is not so different to the interstate commerce clause in the US [05:45] just that the anti-competition law is not a strong in US, since i.e. Anheuser Bush has exclusive distributors for certain markets [05:46] in EU such limits in contracts with distributors would be illegal [05:46] txwikinger: Indeed, although in that case, the "nation" was removed from "nation-state", and the "state" is still under process of being removed (last direct foreign treaty between a US State and a non-US nation-state was circa 1996) [05:47] Functionally similar, but very, very different in terms of identity of polities, etc. [05:47] However, yes, some of the new treaty of Lisbon is taking lots of things to the EU council [05:47] i.e. an EU state cannot protect its own citizens anymore from other states [05:48] Now Ireland could theoretically procecute someone in Germany who had an abortion and Germany would have to expedite even everything happened in Germany [05:49] but it would violate Irish law [05:49] Indeed, and interesting, and worthy of discussion (especially in comparison with other aggregated unions (US, India, etc.), but far off topic :) [05:49] However, I presume the German Supreme Court would set this part of the Lisbon treaty apart and not allow thta to happen [05:49] :D [05:51] So US states have more ability to regulate car sales than EU nations (thinking about California emissions control requirements) [05:58] ScottK: Yes. [08:59] ScottK: are you sure that you have used the patched package to test it? [09:48] two days until final freeze! panic! [09:49] can we change now the wallpaper to some unicorn pony, please? [09:59] Riddell: hi [09:59] Riddell: Feedbacks about current svn snapshot of knetworkmanager are very good [09:59] Riddell: should I consider uploading now ? [09:59] Riddell: you can checkout the ML [10:01] Riddell: since we only have 2 days before final freeze... [10:05] Tonio_: mm, I think we should [10:05] Tonio_: give me an hour to test it myself first [10:09] Riddell: sure [11:00] debfx: Reasonably sure. I can double check. [11:15] Tm_T: one wallpaper coming up right away [11:17] that said [11:17] I should be uploading some junk anyway. [11:19] [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413101901-7vv8ozxy1m1v57ex * debian/changelog releasing version 1:10.04ubuntu18 [11:20] ScottK, Riddell: anything up for workspace? [11:20] * apachelogger has a patch for kickoff's model loading pending [11:21] apachelogger: Just debfx's powerdevel thing. [11:21] ok, I'll wait with that upload the [11:21] * ScottK needs to sleep more before considering any testing reliable. [11:21] Tonio_: hmm, I can't get it to work [11:21] apachelogger: Did you do mysql already? [11:22] * ScottK attempts sleep again.... [11:22] ScottK: waiting on mvo to tell me how to do proper testing considering update-manager eats my sources.list [11:26] in case anyone cares [11:26] export RELEASE_UPRADER_ALLOW_THIRD_PARTY=true [11:33] Riddell: really ? [11:33] Riddell: talking about knetworkmanager or the plasmoid ? [11:34] Tonio_: dist-upgrade sorted it [11:34] Tonio_: so go for upload [11:34] Riddell: may I get your log output please ? [11:34] oh okay ;) [11:34] uploading [11:57] hey apachelogger, JontheEchidna, re: bug 560411, it looks to me that you are handling this already, but just in case is there anything else to do from the Translations team? Anything we should look into? [11:57] Launchpad bug 560411 in ubuntu-translations "Desktop translations not pulled for desktop-extragear-multimedia_k3b" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560411 [11:58] Remove (was auto installed) g++-4.2 libstdc++6-4.2-dev [11:58] mysql-client-core-5.1 [11:58] * apachelogger finds that unfortuante [11:59] dpm: just checking if that actually worked [11:59] problem was that we were fetching the desktop pos for non-core KDE stuff from the wrong SVN branch [11:59] so some files were just not present or outdated [11:59] now they should be in ubergood shape [12:00] ah, cool [12:01] * apachelogger rolls back his upgrade chroot and tries again [12:01] dpm: it is still a bit of a dirty approach though ... bug 560606 [12:01] Launchpad bug 560606 in pkg-kde-tools "Fetching of desktop file pos needs to be improved" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560606 [12:01] need to revise that a bit for maverick [12:02] looking at the bug... [12:03] ok, gotcha. I'll add an ubuntu-translations task for the translations team to keep track of the progress [12:03] k [12:07] kubotu: topic del 1 === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 9 left to fix! [12:07] kubotu: topic del 3 === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 9 left to fix! [12:08] that topic is way too useful ^^ === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu <3 Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | Beta 2 Released!, UI Freeze, String Freeze, Feature Freeze | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 9 left to fix! [12:08] much better [12:12] emit fail(); [12:12] or maybe not [12:15] apachelogger, dpm: this string is translated upstream, but hasn't been imported even after the fix: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/k3b/+pots/desktop-extragear-multimedia-k3b/ru/52/+translate [12:15] in fact, none of the strings in that template seem to have an upstream translation [12:17] we use svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/$(LANGCODE)/messages/extragear-multimedia/desktop_extragear-multimedia_k3b.po [12:17] it's possible with k3b 2 not being stable that's the wrong place [12:17] JontheEchidna, the template seems to have been imported, though -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/k3b/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot [12:18] Riddell: ah, good point. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [12:18] (and translations too -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/k3b/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=po) [12:20] Riddell: I switched to trunk [12:21] dpm: the po for the template should be coming from kde-l10n-FOO [12:22] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kde-l10n-ru/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=po [12:22] messages/kdelibs/desktop_extragear-multimedia_k3b.po in kde-l10n-ru in Ubuntu Lucid [12:22] Approved [12:22] [12:22] Uploaded by Harald Sitter on 2010-04-11 19:03:09 CEST [12:22] Will be imported into Russian (ru) translation of desktop-extragear-multimedia-k3b in Ubuntu Lucid package "k3b" [12:23] still pending import I suppose [12:23] can we speed that up a bit? [12:24] apachelogger, if I'm mistaken, it should not come from kde-l10n-$LANG, if it's extragear [12:24] If I'm _not_ mistaken, that was :) [12:25] you are mistaken :P [12:25] sorta [12:25] upstream distributes its translations in the .desktop files [12:25] I knew it, can't beat kubuntu devs [12:26] but pkgbinarymangler.... mangles... them [12:26] yeah [12:26] stupid and ugly binary mangler [12:26] mangles but doesnt extract, stupid as it is [12:26] so what we do, is have script magic in kde-l10n packages that fetches the pos from KDE's SVN [12:26] gotta go to class now, be back this afternoon [12:26] and that is why those translations come from kde-l10n-FOO but the tempalte from the actual source package [12:29] apachelogger, yeah, but my point was, when I saw desktop_extragear-multimedia_k3b, that if k3b is extragear (is it?) the translations should not be included in the kde-l10n-* packages but actually come from the actual k3b source package. I thought only core kde apps' translations were in kde-l10n-* [12:29] yes, that is absolutely correct [12:29] just not for the desktop files [12:30] ah, I see... [12:30] Is this to support app-install-data? [12:30] dpm: in the k3b source ther is a po/ directory that indeed contains the localized UI strings [12:31] dpm: then we manually create templates [12:31] deskto files however get distributed without appropriate .po files [12:31] persia, no, that's to support the KDE translation infrastructure in Launchpad [12:32] Having the .desktop translations outside the source? I think we have a context miss :) [12:32] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/k3b/src/k3b.desktop?revision=1112045&view=markup [12:32] that is how the desktop file look sin the k3b source [12:32] then the ubuntu binarymangler comes and takes away all the translations, and (unfortunately) dumps them [12:32] so technically as it is the desktop files are left without associated po files [12:33] and that is why we fetch them form KDE svn in kde-l10n-FOO [12:33] technically we could also do it in k3b, but by doing it in kde-l10n-FOO we have a central point of failure [12:34] otherwise too many things can go wrong + it would be quite the PITA to maitain [12:34] ok, I get you [12:36] persia, that's how it's done in KDE upstream. .desktop files are not created on build from a .desktop.in, but are kept in the sources. Translations for them are done in separate PO files than the ones from applications. [12:38] persia, upstream the translations are also not distributed in the sources but in sort of separate language packs [12:38] Seems like an opportunity for string cleanup, since all the strings are *duplicated* in app-install-data. [12:38] We oughtn't need to ship both (or else there's a bug in app-install-data translation for all KDE apps) [12:40] persia, haven't we got the same problem with duplication with app-install-data for GNOME apps? Just asking, since I think this is not an issue only for KDE apps [12:41] I thought there was some special hack for GNOME apps, related to the bit how binarymanger takes away the .desktop translations. [12:41] I may be wrong. [12:42] meh. [12:42] upgrade failed :( [12:42] * apachelogger rebuilds mysql [12:46] persia, these are unrelated things, I believe. For GNOME apps, inline translations in the .desktop files are discarded, but they are nevertheless in the PO files and the original template in the POT files, and they get imported. In KDE, translations in the .desktop files are discarded, and there is no POT file or a way to create one, so it directly has to be fetched from upstream's SVN [12:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle [12:48] So what happens for the GNOME apps with maintainer-added .desktop flies. I suspect there's a gap somewhere, and duplication, but that's possibly a longer-term thing. [12:49] If you're going to UDS, you might want to have a spec on .desktop file translation. I know seb128, mvo and myself have previously been interested in the topic, and wouldn't be surprised if there are others. [12:49] Should save disk space for all. [12:52] persia, I'll be at UDS, and I'd be happy to discuss this :). I'm not sure about the spec yet, but we could have a session. [12:53] * apachelogger loves specs [12:53] * apachelogger should write some of them for kubuntu [12:53] dpm: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-desktopfile-ui [12:54] Basically needs someone to take it up, and run with it. I was strongly reminded by the KDE .desktop file handling description. === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [12:56] mornin persia [12:57] persia, ah, but that's something different. One thing is improving how KDE translations for desktop files are imported (packaging infrastructure), while the other (the spec) is about adding new funcionality to Launchpad to allow translators to translate them in an easier way. The latter would require someone to hack on LP, as the LP Translations developers' current focus is upstream integration, and I don't think they'd have the resources to put time o [12:57] n that [12:58] OK. That was the old spec that was always referenced when folks talked about .desktop files. Working with upstream is clearly better. We could do a new spec, regarding handling the translations for .desktop files. [12:59] Since we end up needing translations for every .desktop file in the archive on (nearly) every GUI install, it seems wasteful not to use them. [13:01] ryanakca: you forgot to subscribe ubuntu-archive to bug 561950 [13:01] Launchpad bug 561950 in kobby "Please sync kobby_1.0~beta5-2 from Debian unstable (main) to Kubuntu Lucid (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561950 [13:12] tsimpson: bug 412929 [13:12] Launchpad bug 412929 in arora "Arora does not start a new instance when icon in kickoff is clicked." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412929 [13:15] hi, for kubuntu karmic there where plans to use arora as default browser, seems to have gotten pretty feature-complete by now... what are the plans for lucid or future releases? [13:17] gunsofbrixton: it is not features we are concerned with, but reliabilty, consistency, integration and stability of course [13:17] gunsofbrixton: lucid is LTS so not a good time for changing browser, konqueror still default [13:18] I personally do however think that now that kdewebkit is maturing along nicely that arora is out of the race [13:18] It's more like konqueror-khtml vs konqueror-webkit vs rekonq vs firefox now [13:18] at least until chromium grows KDE integration ;) [13:24] * apachelogger is wondering if akonadi resources can interact with eachother [13:49] Riddell: ping [13:55] * shadeslayer watches as plasma-widget-networkmanagement crashes [13:57] agateau: yo [13:58] Riddell: hi, was wondering about the status regarding the latest krandrtray and kalarm patches [13:58] agateau: next on my todo list after archive admin duties, which I think I'm about done with [13:58] agateau: anything else from you before final freeze on thursday? [13:58] Riddell: nothing I can think of [13:59] Riddell: sounds good then, thanks [13:59] agateau: what should we do with the colibri package? [13:59] Riddell: good question [13:59] it still gives an error trying to overwrite '/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service', which is also in package notification-daemon 0:0.4.0-2ubuntu2 [14:00] a conflicts would be a quick fix I guess [14:00]