[00:00] <mathiaz> apachelogger: looks good to me.
[00:00] <mathiaz> apachelogger: once your testing is done, please upload.
[00:00] <apachelogger> k :)
[00:00] <mathiaz> apachelogger: make sure that all the necessary bits are in client-core
[00:02] <apachelogger> mathiaz: works just fine .... BUT having mysql in there is actually a bit of a hack, it does not even get used, the only reason it is there is because mysql_upgrade looks for it but doesnt seem to use it at all
[00:03] <apachelogger> i.e. touching and chmodding in $PATH would work just as well ^^
[00:03] <mathiaz> apachelogger: really - I would be surprise
[00:03] <mathiaz> apachelogger: I haven't looked at the code though
[00:03] <apachelogger> seriously, upgrading worked just fine without it *shrug*
[00:04] <apachelogger> Tm_T: akonadi is growing support for sqlite btw
[00:04] <mathiaz> apachelogger: have you looked at the code?
[00:04] <apachelogger> mathiaz: nope
[00:04] <mathiaz> apachelogger: how can you tell that the upgrade worked?
[00:04] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ouch
[00:05] <apachelogger> same results as with proper mysql-client installed
[00:05] <apachelogger> well
[00:05]  * apachelogger uploads to ppa and browses the code a bit
[00:05] <mathiaz> apachelogger: is akonadi using the new features of 5.1?
[00:06] <mathiaz> apachelogger: if not, it may not be enough to check whether the upgrade *actually* worked
[00:06] <apachelogger> mathiaz: unlikely, the lead storage dude said that all his machines are still using 5.0
[00:06] <apachelogger> mathiaz: what do you suggest?
[00:06] <mathiaz> apachelogger: check the code
[00:06] <apachelogger> k
[00:07] <mathiaz> apachelogger: and make sure that the mysql binary is not called by the mysql_upgrade script
[00:07] <apachelogger> first one must find it of course ^^
[00:07] <apachelogger> that is interesting
[00:08] <apachelogger> mathiaz: mysql_upgrade is in ./client/ yet we ship it in the server package
[00:08] <mathiaz> apachelogger: yes - because you wanna run it on system where a mysql server is running
[00:09] <apachelogger> well, it clearly depends on the client anyway, so...
[00:09] <mathiaz> apachelogger: hm actually - that's not true
[00:09] <mathiaz> apachelogger: mysql_upgrade can probably connect to the remote server and do the ugprade there
[00:09] <apachelogger> which might be why it is in the client source
[00:11] <apachelogger> aha
[00:11] <apachelogger>   Run query using "mysql"
[00:11] <apachelogger> */
[00:12] <apachelogger> called by /*
[00:12] <apachelogger>   Update all system tables in MySQL Server to current
[00:12] <apachelogger>   version using "mysql" to execute all the SQL commands
[00:12] <apachelogger>   compiled into the mysql_fix_privilege_tables array
[00:12] <apachelogger> */
[00:12] <apachelogger> makes sense after all
[01:20] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: So no major issues on your end to speak of? Once I file the sync request / FFe, feel like adding a comment with the testing you did?
[01:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's the tip of the day idea on ofirk's website design?
[01:29] <ofirk> Riddell: FYI, the "Kubuntu 9.10 is out!" is now "Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx is out!"
[01:30] <genii> Hm
[01:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: If I remember correctly, it contains a random tip of the day for a KDE application. Like the Tip of the day when one opens a KDE app (or opened, haven't seen them in ages, but that's because I always clicked the "Don't show this again" box)
[01:36] <Riddell> yeah, suggests to me it's not a good idea since they're out of fashion and it's the sort of thing we get rid of in kubuntu
[01:36] <Riddell> but that space could be used for the user profiles and other bits on the current kubuntu.org front age
[01:36] <Riddell> page
[01:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[01:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: Jay Franklin's blurb is up by the way
[01:47] <jjesse> if i only have the usb i isnstalled and no internet how to install the restricted network drivers?  only have wireless
[01:48] <daskreech> Does the Kubuntu.org site auto cycle through those info bits?
[01:48] <ryanakca> daskreech: Unfortunately not
[01:48]  * daskreech winces. Techinical barrier or just an oversight ?
[01:50] <ryanakca> daskreech: Bit of the two. It's easier to change things manually every now and then than write a script and have it reviewed and yadda yadda.
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: I'm not sure I've tested it properly to get a good idea of its stability. I'm not exactly sure how to use it
[01:52] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Have time to more thoroughly test it with me, assuming I can get it to behave on my end?
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: sure
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> waiting for kde4libs to compile at the moment anyhow ;)
[01:53] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK, just a sec
[02:12] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: bug 561950 :)
[03:18] <nixternal> I think it is only fair that I should be able to bill Canonical for the 5+ years of work I have done around here, so with that said, sabdfl are you listening? -> http://tinyurl.com/y5jmdqp - I figured this was better than the $380,000 USD I came up with :D
[03:19] <jjesse> so that bike costs 380k? :)
[03:19] <nixternal> it is exactly the same bike I broke last year in a race while I was thinking of ways to make Kubuntu better :)
[03:19] <nixternal> about $5,000
[03:20] <jjesse> hrmm i would blame your fat ass for breaking the bike and not thinking about kubuntu broke the bike
[03:20] <nixternal> thanks
[03:20] <jjesse> your welcome
[03:20] <apachelogger> madness all around
[03:20] <nixternal> i crashed, that's what broke that bike
[03:21] <nixternal> now I am racing on a $800 bike, it just isn't the same
[03:21] <genii> Hm
[03:22] <nixternal> actually, I think $4,500 is all I need, as Trek is one of my team's sponsors, so we get discounts
[03:22]  * apachelogger can indeed imagine that there is less fear of breaking a 800 bike than a 5000
[03:22] <apachelogger> then again 5000 USD is like 100 EUR, so that problem would not occur for me anyway :P
[03:22] <nixternal> not so much fear, but with the $800 bike, it is harder to stay in the pack, therefor you don't usually crash by yourself
[03:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: are you a wolf that you want to stack in the pack? :)
[03:23] <nixternal> I can save Canonical $1,000 by changing out the wheels, but I think it is only fair to run carbon clinchers on that beauty
[03:24]  * apachelogger agrees and pokes some json documents
[03:24] <jjesse> wow  you have competly lost me
[03:24] <apachelogger> uhm, now they are broken
[03:24] <nixternal> I am the <insert animal that kills wolves> that wants to be in the pack
[03:24] <apachelogger> what animal can I insert there?
[03:24] <nixternal> i don't know actually, what is a predator of a wolf?
[03:24]  * genii welds his crappy old steel tubing bike back together and carries on
[03:24]  * apachelogger always did triage bugs in school and doesnt know :(
[03:24] <jjesse> dear $securitycompany your private ftp sites shouldn't be googleable espeically when they contain username and password
[03:24] <nixternal> or a wolf's predator?
[03:25] <genii> nixternal: Other wolves? bears?
[03:25] <apachelogger> aliens for sure
[03:25] <nixternal> genii: I thought bears, but wasn't sure how they hell they would catch a wolf
[03:25] <genii> Us?
[03:25] <apachelogger> no hold on
[03:25] <apachelogger> aliens and predators
[03:25] <genii> apachelogger: And humans
[03:25] <apachelogger> or maybe only one of them
[03:26] <apachelogger> humans are only intersted in ponies!!!!!!!!!!
[03:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: tell him
[03:26]  * genii munches on a pony
[03:26] <nixternal> genii: but if I went with human, PETA would be all over me
[03:26] <genii> Hm
[03:26] <apachelogger> rightly so
[03:26] <nixternal> animal on animal brutality is OK though, though humans are animals...damn that PETA
[03:27] <imbrandon> sup peeps
[03:27] <apachelogger> qdebug is utter crap compared with kdebug
[03:27] <apachelogger> long live kdebug \o/
[03:27]  * apachelogger makes his qlib a klib
[03:27] <apachelogger> muahhahaa
[03:28] <apachelogger> imbrandon: nixternal wants to munch wolves it seems
[03:28] <apachelogger> apparently cyclists do that
[03:28] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[03:29] <imbrandon> lol
[03:29]  * apachelogger throws away his lib and considers going to bed
[03:29] <imbrandon> bah, sleep is for the weak
[03:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: I might indeed have been to optimistic regarding the u1 akonadi stuff
[03:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: time
[03:29] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Tue Apr 13 04:30 CEST
[03:29] <apachelogger> true, no point in going to bed now anyway
[03:29] <genii> nixternal: I guess the baby seal beaters have disenchantched PETA
[03:30]  * apachelogger diggs through to desktop
[03:30] <apachelogger> oh cmon now srsly!!!!
[03:30] <apachelogger> still no sun shine in sight
[03:30] <nixternal> you gotta have balls to mess with a baby seal...in california I tried to get close to take a picture of a couple of baby seals and mama seal chased me for a good 100 yards
[03:30] <nixternal> never knew seals could move that fast
[03:31] <apachelogger> nixternal: why did you want to take a picture anyway?
[03:31] <nixternal> they were so damn cute
[03:31] <apachelogger> isn't that like ponrography, considering they are technically not wearing anythinhg?
[03:31] <genii> Heh
[03:32] <nixternal> Canonical, while you are at it, I could use a new time trial bike too, mine just isn't cool enough anymore....3 years old equipment gets slower :)  http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/triathlon/equinox_ttx/equinoxttx99ssl/
[03:32] <apachelogger> {"couchdb":"Welcome","version":"0.10.0"}
[03:32] <apachelogger> horrible
[03:32] <apachelogger> just horrible
[03:32] <genii> nixternal: Ride a crappy old bike and be happy! ;)
[03:33]  * apachelogger rides a crapppy old bike and is not happy
[03:33] <apachelogger> not advisable
[03:33] <apachelogger> really
[03:33] <apachelogger> :P
[03:33] <genii> Bah
[03:33] <apachelogger> uhhhhh
[03:33] <apachelogger> reading works
[03:33] <apachelogger> sweet
[03:33] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~$ curl http://localhost:33397/_all_dbs
[03:33] <apachelogger> ["management","users","contacts"]
[03:34] <nixternal> genii: I race though, crappy doesn't cut it
[03:34] <apachelogger> question of course is, where one gets the documentation for all them interfaces
[03:35] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/2708563780/in/set-72157606404909644/
[03:35] <nixternal> genii: that's what I am racing now, just doesn't cut it ^^
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Do you still have those files I emailed you?
[03:35] <genii> Hm
[03:35]  * apachelogger falls over
[03:35] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do you need to bling me that loud?
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: :D My apoligies
[03:37]  * genii slides nixternal a composite frame penny-farthing
[03:37] <nixternal> hehe
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: the reason for my asking is the bug that you and ScottK were talking about, the answers should lie somewhere in those files. I'm digging and seeing if I have them still
[03:38] <apachelogger> dude
[03:38] <apachelogger> fetch you mail
[03:40] <apachelogger> ah
[03:40]  * apachelogger cant copynpaste ^^
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> What?
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I switched out Harddrives and switched to AMD64 instead of i686 since then.
[03:42] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: fetch your mail^!!!1
[03:42]  * apachelogger finds it scary when a host of apache.org times out
[03:42] <apachelogger> and it is all moinmoin's fault
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> What mail am I looking for?
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> The packaging branch?
[03:43]  * apachelogger sent mail :P :P :P :P
[03:43]  * apachelogger is going to fall apart
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> No, I don't have it.
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> Well, wait...
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> BRB... I'm going to see if this will work.
[03:44] <apachelogger> AH
[03:45] <apachelogger> moinmoin fowarded me to a stupid german translation of the frontpage
[03:45] <apachelogger> no wonder I did not find no documentation ^^
[03:45]  * genii shakes an impotent fist somewhere in the general direction of moinmoin
[03:47] <nixternal> genii: editmoin can be your friend
[03:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: You saw mathiaz answer about mysql?
[03:50] <apachelogger> yes
[03:55] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: you may beat me for not remembering I used my never used gmail account to email those to you
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:56] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you did very much indeed
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> LOL At least I remembered that I emailed those to you
[03:58] <apachelogger> that is something
[03:58] <apachelogger> wooohoooo
[03:58]  * apachelogger just broke an addressbook entry created with evolution
[03:58] <apachelogger> that is actually fun
[03:58]  * apachelogger could destory data all day long ^^
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> How about fixing the akonadi issue :P:P
[03:59] <apachelogger> too little sleep
[03:59] <apachelogger> well
[03:59] <apachelogger> no sleep
[03:59] <apachelogger> actually
[04:00] <apachelogger> I could be testing upgrading mysql
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:00] <apachelogger> but I am afraid I wouldnt find the proper terminal at this time of day
[04:00] <apachelogger> I might wipe my system
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> That would be bad juju
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[04:06] <apachelogger> QVariant(QVariantMap, QMap(("error", QVariant(QString, "conflict") ) ( "reason" ,  QVariant(QString, "Document update conflict.") ) )  )
[04:06] <apachelogger> damn
[04:07] <apachelogger> hm, seems as if it got accepted though
[04:08] <apachelogger> cool
[04:08] <apachelogger> actually
[04:08] <apachelogger> darn awesome
[04:08]  * apachelogger can edit stuff in couchdb
[04:29] <ScottK> debfx: Bad news on the powerdevil patch.  I still get the double suspend.
[04:32] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[04:40] <txwikinger> hey nixternal... Are you still awake ;D
[04:51] <rgreening> Has anyone else seen Landscape/Portrait reversal between what Okular shows and printer applets does? I see this in Karmic and Lucid
[04:51] <rgreening> JontheEchidna, Riddell ^
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> been like that since 4.0.0
[04:51] <rgreening> oh. no fix?
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> Qt Software just don't give to craps
[04:52] <rgreening> hmm,,, s9omething we should look to fix for Maverick?
[04:52] <JontheEchidna> good luck (tm)
[05:04] <ScottK> LCD on my laptop died.
[05:07] <ScottK> Does Dell offer any non-crap laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled?
[05:12] <persia> Rumour has it that they don't.
[05:12] <persia> And that Ubuntu works great on their less bad notebooks, but isn't there by default.
[05:13] <rgreening> Dell Canada > Dell US
[05:13] <rgreening> :)
[05:14] <persia> Indeed.  Different markets have different offerings, some of which are better than others for given user segments :)
[05:15] <rgreening> I got 8.04 on my Mini with 2 GB RAM, and you can get that anywhere else (the 2GB)
[05:15] <persia> For example, Dell offers no products with Ubuntu preinstalled here (although there will be some available later this month, supposedly)
[05:16] <persia> s/products/laptops/ (apologies fo failing to notice the OptiPlex offerings)
[05:24]  * txwikinger thinks we need to integrate kubuntu into testdrive
[05:27] <ScottK> persia: That was my experience last time I bought a laptop ~two years ago.
[05:29] <txwikinger> Market segmentation is anti-competitive and disallowed by EU law
[05:30] <ScottK> Of course now that I realize it was ~two years ago and not ~three, it may be under warranty....
[05:31] <ScottK> txwikinger: So one has to offer the exact same products in Europe everywhere?
[05:31] <txwikinger> Well.. yes
[05:31] <ScottK> One wonders how test marketing would work?
[05:31] <txwikinger> the rule says you cannot restrict a retailer to sell in a particular territory
[05:31] <ScottK> I see.
[05:32] <txwikinger> so if they have an offer in Germany, the retailer is allowed to sell to anywhere in the EU
[05:32] <ScottK> Well in Dell's case they don't restrict retailers, they choose to sell directly.
[05:32] <ScottK> So it doesn't seem that would enter into it.
[05:32] <txwikinger> Even there
[05:32] <txwikinger> if you get to the Dell germany site they cannot refuse to deliver to UK or wherever else
[05:32] <txwikinger> and they cannot refuse warranty
[05:33] <ScottK> Sounds very inconvenient for business.
[05:33] <txwikinger> Well.. your business has to have a certain size
[05:33] <txwikinger> Such that your behaviour can have a anti-competitive effect on the market
[05:34] <txwikinger> however, this can be as little a 16% of the market
[05:34] <txwikinger> So the small family business does not have the same obligation
[05:36] <ScottK> If I'm running Dell Germany, how would I even know if Greece has any special rules?
[05:36] <txwikinger> special rules?
[05:36] <ScottK> If my section of the company is focused on one market, how can it be expected to know about other markets?
[05:37] <ScottK> I've no idea (which is rather the point).
[05:37] <ScottK> Maybe Greece has requirements around offering to recycle old computers when you sell a new one?
[05:37] <ScottK> No idea.
[05:37] <txwikinger> In what sense? Greece cannot diallow any product to be sold which is allowed in any other country
[05:38] <txwikinger> Well. Greece as a country cannot do anything that would hinder companies outside of GREECE
[05:38] <txwikinger> to sell in their market.. that would be anti-competetive by itself
[05:39] <txwikinger> That used to be the problem with cars
[05:39] <txwikinger> but they introduce the EU certificate that every car has to comply with and hence you can import it from any EU country into any other
[05:40] <txwikinger> i.e I bought a car in Germany registered it in Luxembourg and then took it to England
[05:41] <txwikinger> because in Luxembourg and UK the models had different packages that I did not like
[05:42] <txwikinger> So that would be the analogy to your Dell issue
[05:44] <persia> Essentially, the "EU" is taking the "state" out of "nation-state" and handing that at a higher-level.
[05:45] <txwikinger> persia: Well.. in some way yes.. however, this is not so different to the interstate commerce clause in the US
[05:45] <txwikinger> just that the anti-competition law is not a strong in US, since i.e. Anheuser Bush has exclusive distributors for certain markets
[05:46] <txwikinger> in EU such limits in contracts with distributors would be illegal
[05:46] <persia> txwikinger: Indeed, although in that case, the "nation" was removed from "nation-state", and the "state" is still under process of being removed (last direct foreign treaty between a US State and a non-US nation-state was circa 1996)
[05:47] <persia> Functionally similar, but very, very different in terms of identity of polities, etc.
[05:47] <txwikinger> However, yes, some of the new treaty of Lisbon is taking lots of things to the EU council
[05:47] <txwikinger> i.e. an EU state cannot protect its own citizens anymore from other states
[05:48] <txwikinger> Now Ireland could theoretically procecute someone in Germany who had an abortion and Germany would have to expedite even everything happened in Germany
[05:49] <txwikinger> but it would violate Irish law
[05:49] <persia> Indeed, and interesting, and worthy of discussion (especially in comparison with other aggregated unions (US, India, etc.), but far off topic :)
[05:49] <txwikinger> However, I presume the German Supreme Court would set this part of the Lisbon treaty apart and not allow thta to happen
[05:49] <txwikinger> :D
[05:51] <ScottK> So US states have more ability to regulate car sales than EU nations (thinking about California emissions control requirements)
[05:58] <persia> ScottK: Yes.
[08:59] <debfx> ScottK: are you sure that you have used the patched package to test it?
[09:48] <Riddell> two days until final freeze! panic!
[09:49] <Tm_T> can we change now the wallpaper to some unicorn pony, please?
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: Feedbacks about current svn snapshot of knetworkmanager are very good
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I consider uploading now ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can checkout the ML
[10:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: since we only have 2 days before final freeze...
[10:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, I think we should
[10:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: give me an hour to test it myself first
[10:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[11:00] <ScottK> debfx: Reasonably sure.  I can double check.
[11:15] <apachelogger> Tm_T: one wallpaper coming up right away
[11:17] <apachelogger> that said
[11:17] <apachelogger> I should be uploading some junk anyway.
[11:19] <CIA-6> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413101901-7vv8ozxy1m1v57ex * debian/changelog releasing version 1:10.04ubuntu18
[11:20] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: anything up for workspace?
[11:20]  * apachelogger has a patch for kickoff's model loading pending
[11:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just debfx's powerdevel thing.
[11:21] <apachelogger> ok, I'll wait with that upload the
[11:21]  * ScottK needs to sleep more before considering any testing reliable.
[11:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, I can't get it to work
[11:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you do mysql already?
[11:22]  * ScottK attempts sleep again....
[11:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: waiting on mvo to tell me how to do proper testing considering update-manager eats my sources.list
[11:26] <apachelogger> in case anyone cares
[11:26] <apachelogger> export RELEASE_UPRADER_ALLOW_THIRD_PARTY=true
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: really ?
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about knetworkmanager or the plasmoid ?
[11:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: dist-upgrade sorted it
[11:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: so go for upload
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I get your log output please ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> oh okay ;)
[11:34] <Tonio_> uploading
[11:57] <dpm> hey apachelogger, JontheEchidna, re: bug 560411, it looks to me that you are handling this already, but just in case is there anything else to do from the Translations team? Anything we should look into?
[11:58] <apachelogger> Remove (was auto installed) g++-4.2 libstdc++6-4.2-dev
[11:58] <apachelogger>   mysql-client-core-5.1
[11:58]  * apachelogger finds that unfortuante
[11:59] <apachelogger> dpm: just checking if that actually worked
[11:59] <apachelogger> problem was that we were fetching the desktop pos for non-core KDE stuff from the wrong SVN branch
[11:59] <apachelogger> so some files were just not present or outdated
[11:59] <apachelogger> now they should be in ubergood shape
[12:00] <dpm> ah, cool
[12:01]  * apachelogger rolls back his upgrade chroot and tries again
[12:01] <apachelogger> dpm: it is still a bit of a dirty approach though ... bug 560606
[12:01] <apachelogger> need to revise that a bit for maverick
[12:02] <dpm> looking at the bug...
[12:03] <dpm> ok, gotcha. I'll add an ubuntu-translations task for the translations team to keep track of the progress
[12:03] <apachelogger> k
[12:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 1
[12:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 3
[12:08] <apachelogger> that topic is way too useful ^^
[12:08] <apachelogger> much better
[12:12] <apachelogger> emit fail();
[12:12] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger, dpm: this string is translated upstream, but hasn't been imported even after the fix: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/k3b/+pots/desktop-extragear-multimedia-k3b/ru/52/+translate
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> in fact, none of the strings in that template seem to have an upstream translation
[12:17] <Riddell> we use svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/$(LANGCODE)/messages/extragear-multimedia/desktop_extragear-multimedia_k3b.po
[12:17] <Riddell> it's possible with k3b 2 not being stable that's the wrong place
[12:17] <dpm> JontheEchidna, the template seems to have been imported, though -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/k3b/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ah, good point.
[12:18] <dpm> (and translations too -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/k3b/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=po)
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I switched to trunk
[12:21] <apachelogger> dpm: the po for the template should be coming from kde-l10n-FOO
[12:22] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kde-l10n-ru/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=po
[12:22] <apachelogger>    messages/kdelibs/desktop_extragear-multimedia_k3b.po in kde-l10n-ru in Ubuntu Lucid
[12:22] <apachelogger>  Approved
[12:22] <apachelogger>  
[12:22] <apachelogger>    Uploaded by Harald Sitter on 2010-04-11 19:03:09 CEST
[12:22] <apachelogger>    Will be imported into Russian (ru) translation of desktop-extragear-multimedia-k3b in Ubuntu Lucid package "k3b"
[12:23] <apachelogger> still pending import I suppose
[12:23] <apachelogger> can we speed that up a bit?
[12:24] <dpm> apachelogger, if I'm mistaken, it should not come from kde-l10n-$LANG, if it's extragear
[12:24] <dpm> If I'm _not_ mistaken, that was :)
[12:25] <apachelogger> you are mistaken :P
[12:25] <JontheEchidna> sorta
[12:25] <JontheEchidna> upstream distributes its translations in the .desktop files
[12:25] <dpm> I knew it, can't beat kubuntu devs
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> but pkgbinarymangler.... mangles... them
[12:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:26] <apachelogger> stupid and ugly binary mangler
[12:26] <apachelogger> mangles but doesnt extract, stupid as it is
[12:26] <apachelogger> so what we do, is have script magic in kde-l10n packages that fetches the pos from KDE's SVN
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> gotta go to class now, be back this afternoon
[12:26] <apachelogger> and that is why those translations come from kde-l10n-FOO but the tempalte from the actual source package
[12:29] <dpm> apachelogger, yeah, but my point was, when I saw desktop_extragear-multimedia_k3b, that if k3b is extragear (is it?) the translations should not be included in the kde-l10n-* packages but actually come from the actual k3b source package. I thought only core kde apps' translations were in kde-l10n-*
[12:29] <apachelogger> yes, that is absolutely correct
[12:29] <apachelogger> just not for the desktop files
[12:30] <dpm> ah, I see...
[12:30] <persia> Is this to support app-install-data?
[12:30] <apachelogger> dpm: in the k3b source ther is a po/ directory that indeed contains the localized UI strings
[12:31] <apachelogger> dpm: then we manually create templates
[12:31] <apachelogger> deskto files however get distributed without appropriate .po files
[12:31] <dpm> persia, no, that's to support the KDE translation infrastructure in Launchpad
[12:32] <persia> Having the .desktop translations outside the source?  I think we have a context miss :)
[12:32] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/k3b/src/k3b.desktop?revision=1112045&view=markup
[12:32] <apachelogger> that is how the desktop file look sin the k3b source
[12:32] <apachelogger> then the ubuntu binarymangler comes and takes away all the translations, and (unfortunately) dumps them
[12:32] <apachelogger> so technically as it is the desktop files are left without associated po files
[12:33] <apachelogger> and that is why we fetch them form KDE svn in kde-l10n-FOO
[12:33] <apachelogger> technically we could also do it in k3b, but by doing it in kde-l10n-FOO we have a central point of failure
[12:34] <apachelogger> otherwise too many things can go wrong + it would be quite the PITA to maitain
[12:34] <dpm> ok, I get you
[12:36] <dpm> persia, that's how it's done in KDE upstream. .desktop files are not created on build from a .desktop.in, but are kept in the sources. Translations for them are done in separate PO files than the ones from applications.
[12:38] <dpm> persia, upstream the translations are also not distributed in the sources but in sort of separate language packs
[12:38] <persia> Seems like an opportunity for string cleanup, since all the strings are *duplicated* in app-install-data.
[12:38] <persia> We oughtn't need to ship both (or else there's a bug in app-install-data translation for all KDE apps)
[12:40] <dpm> persia, haven't we got the same problem with duplication with app-install-data for GNOME apps? Just asking, since I think this is not an issue only for KDE apps
[12:41] <persia> I thought there was some special hack for GNOME apps, related to the bit how binarymanger takes away the .desktop translations.
[12:41] <persia> I may be wrong.
[12:42] <apachelogger> meh.
[12:42] <apachelogger> upgrade failed :(
[12:42]  * apachelogger rebuilds mysql
[12:46] <dpm> persia, these are unrelated things, I believe. For GNOME apps, inline translations in the .desktop files are discarded, but they are nevertheless in the PO files and the original template in the POT files, and they get imported. In KDE, translations in the .desktop files are discarded, and there is no POT file or a way to create one, so it directly has to be fetched from upstream's SVN
[12:47] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle
[12:48] <persia> So what happens for the GNOME apps with maintainer-added .desktop flies.  I suspect there's a gap somewhere, and duplication, but that's possibly a longer-term thing.
[12:49] <persia> If you're going to UDS, you might want to have a spec on .desktop file translation.  I know seb128, mvo and myself have previously been interested in the topic, and wouldn't be surprised if there are others.
[12:49] <persia> Should save disk space for all.
[12:52] <dpm> persia, I'll be at UDS, and I'd be happy to discuss this :). I'm not sure about the spec yet, but we could have a session.
[12:53]  * apachelogger loves specs
[12:53]  * apachelogger should write some of them for kubuntu
[12:53] <persia> dpm: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-desktopfile-ui
[12:54] <persia> Basically needs someone to take it up, and run with it.  I was strongly reminded by the KDE .desktop file handling description.
[12:56] <rgreening> mornin persia
[12:57] <dpm> persia, ah, but that's something different. One thing is improving how KDE translations for desktop files are imported (packaging infrastructure), while the other (the spec) is about adding new funcionality to Launchpad to allow translators to translate them in an easier way. The latter would require someone to hack on LP, as the LP Translations developers' current focus is upstream integration, and I don't think they'd have the resources to put time o
[12:57] <dpm> n that
[12:58] <persia> OK.  That was the old spec that was always referenced when folks talked about .desktop files.  Working with upstream is clearly better.  We could do a new spec, regarding handling the translations for .desktop files.
[12:59] <persia> Since we end up needing translations for every .desktop file in the archive on (nearly) every GUI install, it seems wasteful not to use them.
[13:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: you forgot to subscribe ubuntu-archive to bug 561950
[13:12] <Riddell> tsimpson: bug 412929
[13:15] <gunsofbrixton> hi, for kubuntu karmic there where plans to use arora as default browser, seems to have gotten pretty feature-complete by now... what are the plans for lucid or future releases?
[13:17] <apachelogger> gunsofbrixton: it is not features we are concerned with, but reliabilty, consistency, integration and stability of course
[13:17] <Riddell> gunsofbrixton: lucid is LTS so not a good time for changing browser, konqueror still default
[13:18] <apachelogger> I personally do however think that now that kdewebkit is maturing along nicely that arora is out of the race
[13:18] <apachelogger> It's more like konqueror-khtml vs konqueror-webkit vs rekonq vs firefox now
[13:18] <apachelogger> at least until chromium grows KDE integration ;)
[13:24]  * apachelogger is wondering if akonadi resources can interact with eachother
[13:49] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[13:55]  * shadeslayer watches as plasma-widget-networkmanagement crashes
[13:57] <Riddell> agateau: yo
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: hi, was wondering about the status regarding the latest krandrtray and kalarm patches
[13:58] <Riddell> agateau: next on my todo list after archive admin duties, which I think I'm about done with
[13:58] <Riddell> agateau: anything else from you before final freeze on thursday?
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: nothing I can think of
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: sounds good then, thanks
[13:59] <Riddell> agateau: what should we do with the colibri package?
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: good question
[13:59] <Riddell> it still gives an error  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service', which is also in package notification-daemon 0:0.4.0-2ubuntu2
[14:00] <Riddell> a conflicts would be a quick fix I guess
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: if you have time, at least it would be nice to add a "Provides: notification-daemon"
[14:00] <Riddell> mm, that might work
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: and distro-rename the .service to colibri-org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
[14:00] <Riddell> agateau: what will that do?
[14:01] <agateau> Let you install both notification-daemon and  colibri
[14:01] <agateau> Riddell: but then, only disk order will determine which one is started :/
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: I was wondering whether it would not actually be simpler to get rid of the service file and turn colibri into a kded module
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: but that would be for later
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: ah, so the kde- and gnome- prefixes we used to have for policykit weren't some magic desktop thing it was dbus picking a file based on the first one it came across?
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: yes, according to dbus source
[14:03] <agateau> I guess no one got both installed, maybe
[14:03] <Riddell> ok I'll do that
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: great, thanks
[14:03] <Riddell> people would have had both installed but they probably weren't too fussed which got used
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: yes, makes sense
[14:03]  * agateau does not know much about policykit
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: who is handling the networkmanagement plasmoid?
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tonio
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: got a bug for you : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234254
[14:14] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: can't reproduce....
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: weird....
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: well this too : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/562192
[14:15] <shadeslayer> lemme try again with the previous bug
[14:15] <shadeslayer> brb
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: i can reproduce it again... but the crash dialog doesnt come up,although the whole of plasma goes down
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: gsoc reply
[14:53] <Riddell> agateau: what's the status of kalarm-ksni.diff getting upstream?
[14:53] <agateau> Riddell: I am discussing it with David Jarvie on reviewboard
[14:55] <debfx> can anyone confirm bug #538075 ? I can't and haven't found a report on the kde bug tracker
[14:55] <debfx> I wonder why the ubuntu-10.04 milestone is set for that bug
[14:57] <debfx> Riddell: have you seen the discussion about the brightness osd on kde-core-devel?
[14:57] <Riddell> debfx: I have not, let me look
[14:58] <rgreening> Riddell: on my Acer's, the Plymouth splash isn't smooth. I get errors dropped onto the vty with a black screen. is this a known issue? I thought it should stay until kdm appears and console errors were supposed to be redirected?
[14:59] <apachelogger> rgreening: mouse cursor?
[14:59] <rgreening> I get some input/output error with glib iirc
[15:00]  * apachelogger just hacked the upgrade tool \\o/
[15:01] <Riddell> rgreening: it's much the same for me too :(
[15:02] <Riddell> debfx: groovy, so people like it but the question of a general OSD class is to be resolved
[15:02] <Riddell> sebas: have you had a look at the patch yet, I'd like to put it in our kdebase-workspace package but decision needs taken toot sweet before final freeze
[15:05] <apachelogger> http://tinyurl.com/82kur
[15:05] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:06] <apachelogger> man that paste plasmoid is broken
[15:06] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413660/
[15:07] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413661/
[15:07] <apachelogger> proof of workability
[15:07]  * apachelogger uploads mysql
[15:08]  * Riddell cheers apachelogger 
[15:11] <CIA-6> [akonadi] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413141111-r2b52cyp00r4c7mk * debian/ (changelog control) + akonadi-server depends on mysql-server-core-5.1 (>= 5.1.41-3ubuntu11) + akonadi-server depends on mysql-client-core-5.1 (>= 5.1.41-3ubuntu12)
[15:17]  * apachelogger notes that kres-migrator likes to explode very much
[15:20] <apachelogger> ProcessControl: Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kabc_resource' stopped unexpected (Process crashed)
[15:23] <apachelogger> hm, no wonder that happens, the nepomuk resource is going cazy after resources were migrated
[15:27]  * Riddell uploads kdebase-workspace
[15:28] <Riddell> debfx: I included your patch, there seems to be broad support for it upstream, thanks for the improvement
[15:28] <Riddell> amichair: ooh you fixed bug 556376, lovely
[15:32] <sebas> Riddell: uhm, which patch?
[15:34] <Riddell> sebas: brightness OSD one from debfx http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/64489
[15:35] <sebas> Riddell: If Dario finds it OK I'll merge it
[15:35] <sebas> patch looks reasonably clean, for as much I can say
[15:37] <apachelogger> goodness
[15:38] <apachelogger> apparmor--
[15:38] <sebas> I'll ask dario to have a look
[15:40] <EagleScreen> sebas: if you talk with Dario, tell him to review also the patch proposed here, please: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221637
[15:42] <sebas> EagleScreen: aye :)
[15:42] <EagleScreen> thanks
[15:43] <debfx> sebas: and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221648 :)
[15:44] <sebas> debfx: do you have an SVN account?
[15:44] <sebas> in KDE's SVN :)
[15:44] <EagleScreen> sebas: Bug 221648 may be duplicate of 221637
[15:45] <sebas> EagleScreen: let's see
[15:45] <debfx> sebas: nope
[15:45] <sebas> debfx:  http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account :)
[15:45] <debfx> Riddell: thanks, great to have the osd back in kubuntu :)
[15:46] <EagleScreen> oh i see, it could be a different issue
[15:47]  * apachelogger is feeling like captain kirk in star trek the motion picture
[15:47] <ScottK> debfx: You were right.  I tested with the wrong -workspace .debs.  Retesting.
[15:48] <sebas> debfx: Dario has some comment on the patches, so some need a bit of work, overall they look very good
[15:48] <sebas> debfx: if you apply for an svn account, then you'll be able to commit them yourself
[15:49] <apachelogger> someone please hold me!
[15:49]  * sebas holds apachelogger
[15:49] <apachelogger> thanks
[15:49]  * apachelogger hugs sebas while they are at it
[15:50]  * ScottK hands sebas a towel.
[15:50] <apachelogger> so, it would seem that dearest apparmor is repsonsible for bug 554514
[15:50] <sebas> hehe, thanks :)
[15:50] <apachelogger> I DO HATE APPARMOR
[15:50] <apachelogger> just so that you know
[15:50] <sebas> debfx: the patch to  221637 can go in
[15:51] <sebas> I can commit it, if you want it in quickly, otherwise you can do it as soon as you get your creds
[15:52] <EagleScreen> I'd like a fix for 221637 as soon as possible
[15:52]  * apachelogger puts on a smile -> :)
[15:52] <apachelogger> <3
[15:52]  * apachelogger just fixed a bug without even wanting too
[15:52] <sebas> debfx: the other one ok BKO is also good
[15:53] <CIA-6> [akonadi] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413145338-ooogf1cknocxzoa5 * debian/ (changelog usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi) Expand apparmor profile to silence apparmor complaints in syslog, additonally this seems to fix LP: #554514
[15:54] <debfx> sebas: great, I'll apply for an svn account
[15:54] <sebas> debfx: great :)
[15:54] <sebas> you can take me as reference if you want
[15:54] <apachelogger> and the sponsorings I did
[16:01] <apachelogger> :/
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: one first-start akonadi issue remains on my machine :(
[16:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's that?
[16:01] <apachelogger> Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus
[16:02] <apachelogger> it only happens for first start though
[16:02] <apachelogger> which might be indication that it is also apparmor related
[16:02] <apachelogger> but I dont get any apparmor denials in syslog :(
[16:03] <Riddell> tried turning off apparmour?
[16:03] <apachelogger> at some point I probably did
[16:03] <apachelogger> *trying*
[16:03] <apachelogger> nah, not apparmor related
[16:05] <Riddell> time to poke upstream?
[16:05] <apachelogger> no one around it seems
[16:05] <apachelogger> I could call karke and lure him to some bar, so that he can fix it ^^
[16:07] <sebas> the whole KDAB akonadi team is at a meeting right now
[16:07] <apachelogger> how unfortunate :(
[16:07] <sebas> the meeting ends on Friday
[16:08] <Riddell> that is one long meeting
[16:08] <sebas> UDS takes longer :)
[16:10] <apachelogger> well, that is a summit ;)
[16:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am very much out of ideas
[16:10] <apachelogger> it probably is some timing issue (timeout?)
[16:11] <agateau> sebas: hi! speaking of UDS, will you be there?
[16:11] <sebas> no
[16:11] <sebas> it's in Belgium right?
[16:11] <agateau> yes
[16:11] <agateau> too bad
[16:12] <sebas> akademy then :)
[16:12] <agateau> yes :)
[16:12] <agateau> do you know if any upstream kde developer will be at uds?
[16:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: needs a handy "sleep 5" somewhere?
[16:12] <Riddell> agateau: dantti will be
[16:12] <Riddell> seele should be
[16:13] <agateau> Riddell: great!
[16:13] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[16:13]  * apachelogger does the looking
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe it is not the server that fails registering but the selftest that fails noticing it (due to rather short timeout)
[16:18] <apachelogger> yay
[16:18] <apachelogger> by the time the selftest returns akonadi is not even done with creating the tables
[16:19] <Riddell> sleep 6 ? :)
[16:21] <agateau> warning, engineers at work :)
[16:22]  * shadeslayer sounds the horn
[16:25] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413700/
[16:25] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:25] <apachelogger> I marked the important line for you
[16:26] <ScottK> debfx: I have good news and I have bad news.  The double suspend is gone (this is a really big fix), but the second suspend still doesn't happen.
[16:26]  * apachelogger builds new pimlibs
[16:27] <ScottK> I think we should upload it.
[16:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: For your workspace upload, please include debfx's powerdevil patch.
[16:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: is that in bzr already?
[16:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't think so.  I fished it out of the bug for testing.
[16:28] <apachelogger> can someone put it in bzr please?
[16:28]  * apachelogger is busy fighting timeouts
[16:28] <ScottK> debfx: Can you put it in bzr?
[16:28] <ScottK> If not, I'll try to sqeeze it in before I have to go.
[16:29] <debfx> ScottK: I'm not a kubuntu-member but I can put up a merge request
[16:30]  * rgreening thinks debfx should request to be a member for next meeting
[16:30] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Please ping me when you have it.
[16:30]  * ScottK thinks rgreening should file debfx's application.
[16:31] <debfx> :D
[16:31] <rgreening> ha
[16:31] <ScottK> It's been done before.  Hobbsee never applied for core-dev.  It was done to her.
[16:31]  * apachelogger thinks rgreening should go talk to ayatana :P
[16:31]  * rgreening still has to put together my kubuntu-dev app
[16:31] <rgreening> that too
[16:32] <Riddell> ScottK: which powerdevil patch?
[16:32] <rgreening> $work has been on my a-$$
[16:32] <rgreening> :P
[16:32] <ScottK> Riddell: KDE Bug 221637
[16:32] <ScottK> That one
[16:33] <debfx> ScottK: just to be sure, you have applied both patches to your testing package?
[16:33] <ScottK> Both?
[16:33] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:33] <debfx> ScottK: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221648#c1
[16:35] <ScottK> debfx: No.  I didn't include that one.
[16:35] <ScottK> I just did the one in 221637
[16:35] <ScottK> Unfortunately I need to leave nowish for $WORK meetings and can't test further.
[16:37] <debfx> ScottK: both patches work for me and sebas said they are good, so should I include both?
[16:37] <ScottK> debfx: I'm willing to trust you on that one and that would explain why it didn't resuspend
[16:37] <ScottK> debfx: yes.
[16:37] <apachelogger> well
[16:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: currently it times out after 10 seconds, assuming the starting failed
[16:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: how about bumping that to 30 seconds or even 1 minute?
[16:38] <apachelogger> takes about 15 here, so a netbook might easily be 30 or more
[16:39] <apachelogger> and frankly, if the starting failed I doubt it will make much difference if you present the selftest after 10 seconds or 30 or 1 minute
[16:41] <ScottK> BTW, the "Akonadi Starting" announcement freaked my wife out the first time she logged into Karmic.
[16:41] <ScottK> It seems like it should only be chatty on failure.
[16:42] <rgreening> nixternal: ping
[16:42] <nixternal> rgreening: PONG!!!!!
[16:42] <shadeslayer> nixternal: oh hi :)
[16:42] <rgreening> nixternal: we gotz docs for usb-creator-kde?
[16:42] <nixternal> howdy
[16:42] <nixternal> rgreening: dunno, do we?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i want to help with help.kubuntu.org....
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ( saw it on the To Do list )
[16:43] <rgreening> nixternal: we should...
[16:43] <nixternal> shadeslayer: talk to ryanakca about that, he is in charge of web stuff
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ah..
[16:43] <nixternal> rgreening: there is something in kubuntu-docs, that I do know
[16:43] <nixternal> actually, yeah we do have docs for it, I did them
[16:43] <nixternal> derr
[16:44] <nixternal> but the app itself should have docs I feel....it is a simple enough UI, but for a newb none of the wording makes a lick of sense
[16:44] <nixternal> and the ubuntu version is even worse
[16:44] <rgreening> nixternal: we should review it, as there are some changes... 0.2.22 with bug fixes has instroduced some changes
[16:44] <nixternal> don't know whose idea it was to use jargon in the ui over there
[16:44] <nixternal> no need to review it now since we can't fix it
[16:44] <nixternal> have to wait for lucid+1
[16:45] <nixternal> when was 0.2.22 released?
[16:45] <nixternal> post UI freeze?
[16:45] <nixternal> oh, people remove the losing fingers part from the topic I see
[16:45] <rgreening> hrmmm... 0.2.22 is coming now (soon as evan releases)
[16:45] <nixternal> shouldn't have any UI changes
[16:45] <nixternal> as usb-creator is documented with screenshots
[16:45] <rgreening> added a warning dialog
[16:45] <rgreening> for format
[16:46] <rgreening> LP #553460
[16:46] <nixternal> ahh, that isn't anything
[16:46] <nixternal> oh, that does change something....
[16:46]  * nixternal looks for it
[16:46] <rgreening> and a translation change on format button from Format to Erase Disk
[16:46] <shadeslayer> nixternal: um why are missing screenshots in kubuntu-manual?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Chapter : Intro. to Kubuntu
[16:47] <nixternal> rgreening: alt+f2 ->    help:/kubuntu/media
[16:47] <nixternal> Bootable ISO Images From USB Media
[16:47] <nixternal> shadeslayer: kubuntu manual?
[16:47] <nixternal> there hasn't been a kubuntu manual for years
[16:48] <shadeslayer> nixternal: no
[16:48] <shadeslayer> nixternal: sorry i meant docs
[16:48] <nixternal> I am not missing screenshots
[16:48] <nixternal> oh, i am missing a screenshot
[16:48] <nixternal> don't know...i will have to look at that
[16:49] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://imagebin.ca/view/S56toSWL.html
[16:50] <rgreening> nixternal: LP #484252 for the Format button label change. We'll need to update text (potentially).
[16:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: upstream might eat us for hiding this fancy progressbar
[16:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: easy enough to hide though
[16:51] <nixternal> shadeslayer: fix committed to bzr
[16:51] <shadeslayer> nixternal: :D
[16:52] <nixternal> the image was kubuntu.png and the screenshot was supposed to be kubuntu-desktop.png...easy enough fix, just rename the image :)
[16:52] <rgreening> nixternal: also, the "Before Continuing" comment about Format not working is fixed in the new release.
[16:54] <shadeslayer> rgreening: btw if i want to help with kubuntu docs,i just make a clone of the bzr and start working on my branch and request merges?
[16:54] <nixternal> there, added a comment to that bug report
[16:55] <rgreening> nixternal: and the Before Continuing should probably be changed to "Warning! Erase Disk with delete all partitions on the device"
[16:55] <nixternal> rgreening: if it were actually up to me, and it was a UI/String freeze at this point, I would say no, but who am I? I think Riddell or the KC has the right to approve, not me
[16:55] <apachelogger> *sigh*
[16:55]  * rgreening +1
[16:55] <apachelogger> someone for got to mark released
[16:55] <apachelogger> beh
[16:55] <shadeslayer> nixternal: so...
[16:55] <nixternal> was it me?
[16:55] <nixternal> I do that shit all the time apachelogger
[16:55] <apachelogger> dunno
[16:55] <apachelogger> dont care quite frankly
[16:56] <apachelogger> easy to fix
[16:56] <shadeslayer> rgreening: btw if i want to help with kubuntu docs,i just make a clone of the bzr and start working on my branch and request merges?
[16:56] <CIA-6> [kdepimlibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413155642-gq5s2c3hp1gs9lbf * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1
[16:57] <rgreening> nixternal: you want me to make changes to the docs, or are you ok with updating?
[16:57] <nixternal> we can't make changes to the docs
[16:57] <nixternal> not until maverick
[16:57] <rgreening> or do we want to have a KC vote on making any changes
[16:57] <rgreening> oh.. grr
[16:57] <nixternal> ask Riddell, see what he says
[16:57] <rgreening> okies
[16:57] <nixternal> we have been in UI and string freeze for over a month
[16:59] <Riddell> nixternal: what's the issue?
[16:59] <nixternal> Riddell: usb-creator has UI and string changes and needs approval, my vote would be -1, however I don't think I have the right to make such a decision and think you or the KC should
[16:59] <rgreening> Riddell: as a result of some bug fixes to usb-creator package, kubuntu-docs is out of sync.
[17:00] <rgreening> so question is leave it or fix it
[17:00] <nixternal> if it gets changed, it looks to throw the documentation out of whack, which honestly I don't care, people will file bug reports and I will just smack them
[17:00] <nixternal> ksmackbugreporter <- apachelogger get on that!
[17:01] <rgreening> nixternal: 1 easy fix we could do, would be delete the warning box as its now unnecessary. Now translations affected, other than the time effort people put in.
[17:01] <CIA-6> [kdepimlibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413160145-ywrl31ghf7c1c6iy * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_01_increase_fail_timeout.patch to bump the timeout before starting error detection from 10 seconds to 60, that should be enough time for akonadi to start on somewhat decent hardware (I hope)
[17:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: whut?
[17:01] <rgreening> e.g. the "Before Continuing"
[17:02] <apachelogger> always this dirty talk in here
[17:02] <apachelogger> horrible
[17:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: so what's it gonna be? happy wife or happy upstream? ^^
[17:03] <rgreening> nixternal: that only leaves the Format->Erase Disk change as lingering/out-of-sync
[17:03] <rgreening> which isn't bad
[17:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: wasnt you
[17:03] <rgreening> or screw it altogether.. Riddell? thoughts?
[17:04]  * rgreening notes I did not make the string change and it certainly wasn't my idea on the best fix
[17:04] <Riddell> bug 484252 looks potentially destructive, I think it should be changed
[17:04] <Riddell> although I don't see what's wrong with rgreening's idea of only enabling it when selecting the full disk
[17:05] <rgreening> Riddell: ya. but ev did not want to make deep changes at this point, only cosmetic.
[17:05] <EagleScreen> hello Riddell, printer-applet is always in systray even if there aren't jobs in the printer, I think it should appear only when there are some job
[17:06] <Riddell> EagleScreen: that's not what I'm seeing
[17:06] <rgreening> so a label change Riddell, was what he suggested and this means unfortunately strings change (Im only the messenger)
[17:06] <EagleScreen> oh, i see it
[17:06] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm not sure enable/disable is much harder than a string change
[17:07] <rgreening> Riddell: it's not. It's quite easy as ['Free'] is set or not. Someone offered a patch
[17:07] <nixternal> Riddell: unhide your tray icons, I see it too
[17:08] <Riddell> nixternal: well of course it's there if you unhide them, because if you unhide it then it'll get shown
[17:08]  * apachelogger uninstalls the printer applet always :P
[17:08] <rgreening> anyway... If you wish to beat up on ev Riddell, I can back you up :)
[17:08] <apachelogger> might be related ot the fact that I dont own a printer ^^
[17:08] <nixternal> Riddell: it shouldn't even be a hidden icon, there shouldn't be an icon if it isn't running right?
[17:09] <Riddell> nixternal: it is running
[17:09] <nixternal> what if someone has it setup to show all icons, their sys tray is gonna get huge
[17:09] <ofirk> apachelogger: I fixed the kubuntu logo size inside kickoff
[17:09] <Riddell> well yes, so don't do that
[17:09] <ofirk> apachelogger: here: http://imagebin.ca/view/cNyrYdz.html
[17:09] <nixternal> shouldn't it only run when I go to print something?
[17:09]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[17:09] <Riddell> nixternal: no, it's always running
[17:09] <nixternal> k
[17:09] <ofirk> apachelogger: good or not good?
[17:09] <apachelogger> not good
[17:09] <nixternal> so is that stupid message indicator even though there are no apps running that use it
[17:10] <apachelogger> ofirk: way too blury
[17:10] <apachelogger> IMHO
[17:10] <ofirk> apachelogger: do you mean the circle?
[17:10] <EagleScreen> Riddell: as suggestion, you can try to impre it to only run when some job is being printed, for future versions
[17:11]  * rgreening goes for some Tim's coffee
[17:11] <Riddell> EagleScreen: why?
[17:11] <EagleScreen> I think the applet has no sense if any job is printing
[17:11] <Riddell> that's why it's hidden
[17:13] <EagleScreen> yes I know, if you think this is better..
[17:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: I vote for happy non-technical user (of which my wife is one).  It's pointless to show "thingyouhavenoideawhatitis starting".
[17:13] <ScottK> Actually it's not pointless, it's harmful.
[17:13] <apachelogger> well
[17:14]  * ScottK predicts seele would agree if she were here.
[17:14] <apachelogger> I suppose akonadi start can slow the system down quite a bit
[17:14] <apachelogger> and then you ahve no indicaiton as to why that is happening
[17:14] <apachelogger> also app startup can be delayed a lot without visual feedback
[17:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: We never had a visual warning for updatedb running.
[17:15] <apachelogger> 1. updatedb does not get executed in blockig manner before app startup
[17:15] <apachelogger> 2. updatedb does not eat your system
[17:15] <apachelogger> mysqld startup + init hogs my system quite a bit
[17:15] <ScottK> It can eat your system.
[17:15] <apachelogger> only for 10 seconds, but on a bit of a weaker machine that might indeed be horrible
[17:15] <ScottK> Anyway, I gave my opinion.
[17:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: it can ... akoandi does
[17:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think
[17:16] <nixternal> updatedb will only be a hog the first time it is run though
[17:16] <nixternal> after that it is usually really fast, unless of course you just installed 1000 more packages and then it kicks off
[17:16] <apachelogger> the first time it gets run at CD creatin I think
[17:16] <ScottK> debfx: I got another idea for a needed fix (no powerdevel involved).  Up for it perhaps?
[17:16]  * apachelogger had too much coffee and nothing to eat
[17:16] <apachelogger> bad combination
[17:16] <nixternal> haha
[17:17] <nixternal> i have had gum and water thus far today
[17:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: are you also on a hunger strike?
[17:17] <ofirk> apachelogger: what about http://imagebin.ca/view/YKHvBw4A.html ?
[17:17] <ScottK> debfx: On plasma-desktop, alt-F2 brings up krunner.  Plasma-netbook has it's own runner built into search and launch and it doesn't always play well with krunner, so could we make it so that if plasma-netbook is running, alt-F2 brings up search and launch and not the regular krunner?
[17:18] <nixternal> apachelogger: no, woke up and started participating in this community instead of eating properly
[17:18]  * ScottK has really got to go now.
[17:18] <nixternal> according to Jono, that could be a sign of burning out
[17:18] <nixternal> that's it, I quit! :p
[17:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: oh, that I do every day
[17:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Jono's got a job opening ....
[17:18] <nixternal> i don't even wanna know
[17:19] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:19] <ScottK> Cloud computing community lead.
[17:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:19] <nixternal> oh, imbrandon is going for that I think
[17:19] <apachelogger> since when do clouds form communities?!
[17:19] <apachelogger> ?!?!?!
[17:19] <apachelogger> ?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?
[17:19] <ScottK> On that note, I'm off.
[17:19] <nixternal> cloud, the buzz word for the internet
[17:20] <nixternal> peace out cubscout
[17:20]  * nixternal thinks it was already made clear that canonical won't hire me after the escapade last year where they blew me off on a scheduled interview and wouldn't reply to emails asking what happened
[17:21] <apachelogger> http://www.frederic.gierlinger.eu/blog/fp-content/images/cloud_computing.jpg
[17:21] <nigelb> nixternal, 0_0
[17:22] <ofirk> apachelogger: funny :D
[17:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: its all because of the stepchild bsuiness
[17:22] <Sput> apachelogger: funnily enough, current KDE trunk doesn't seem to deem it necessary to show akonadi startup
[17:22] <nixternal> apachelogger: yup
[17:22] <apachelogger> Sput: maybe they removed that ugly progressbar
[17:22]  * apachelogger is all in favor of removing ugly things
[17:23] <Sput> at least I haven't seen this ugly popup since upgrading kdepim to trunk
[17:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: we could apply at mandriva's
[17:23] <Sput> and I've seen it again when I downgraded it to 4.4 again
[17:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: and become nepomuk fallback-overlords
[17:23] <ofirk> say, what about http://imagebin.ca/view/YKHvBw4A.html for a new logo size? I really think the current one is too big
[17:23] <nixternal> hehe
[17:23] <ofirk> btw, this is how it looks now: http://imagebin.ca/view/2CtPoUVn.html
[17:24] <apachelogger> ofirk: still very blurry
[17:24] <ofirk> apachelogger: you mean the circle, right?
[17:24] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:30] <apachelogger> oh
[17:30] <apachelogger> jonny made a mess in kds
[17:30] <apachelogger> \o.
[17:31] <Riddell> which one?
[17:32] <apachelogger> the younger one
[17:32] <apachelogger> no offence though, you are also young :)
[17:33]  * apachelogger sings the happy merge song
[17:37] <CIA-6> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413163704-t5zspkxfd2cls9nu * (2 files in 2 dirs) merge with archive and release ubuntu19 now
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: so what is your POV on hiding the akonadi start/stop progressbar?
[17:39] <EagleScreen> I cannot switch KDE languaje in Kubuntu, what package should I report a bug against?
[17:41] <apachelogger> that entirely depends on where you try to switch it
[17:42] <EagleScreen> in Kcontrol/Systemsettings -> Regional & Language
[17:43] <apachelogger> where in specific
[17:43] <apachelogger> what buttons do you press
[17:43]  * apachelogger is wondering why his hard disk is so busy
[17:43] <EagleScreen> from Spanish to British English
[17:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm all for it in general, it should be just a trunk backport, arguably it's a UI freeze exception issue though
[17:44] <EagleScreen> this is not new, this is an ancient problem in Kubuntu, can it be related to Launchpad translation? this not happens in other distributions
[17:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: it will be our secrit ;)
[17:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you want to have a bug for it?
[17:44] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: you did not answer my question
[17:44] <EagleScreen> buttons?
[17:45] <apachelogger> well, from look at this nice systemsettings module the language will not change
[17:46] <EagleScreen> I add British English to the list, it is set upper by default, then I click on apply
[17:46] <apachelogger> well see
[17:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't mind about having a bug
[17:46] <EagleScreen> then I reboot the system and almost everything is still in spanish
[17:46] <apachelogger> that is already the wrong way to do it
[17:46] <apachelogger> because en_GB requires to fallback to en_US
[17:47] <apachelogger> but if your systems global language is set to spanish ,then it will fall back to spanish
[17:47] <apachelogger> hence you will end up with a mixture of en_GB and spansih instead of en_GB and en_US
[17:48] <EagleScreen> then I must set en-GB; en_US; es_ES in the list?
[17:50] <apachelogger> yep
[17:50] <apachelogger> that should work
[17:50] <EagleScreen> ok, will check it now
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 562420
[17:51] <Riddell> nixternal: is that progress bar documented?
[17:51]  * apachelogger certainly hopes not
[17:54] <EagleScreen> ok apachelogger, this is still in Spanish
[17:55] <EagleScreen> I restarted session, must I reboot?
[17:55] <apachelogger> quite frankly, you should just not use the fallback lists
[17:55] <EagleScreen> then?
[17:56] <apachelogger> switch the system language
[17:56] <EagleScreen> apachelogger: this shouldn't be necessary
[17:56] <apachelogger> then go fix whatever is the fallback lists causing to fail
[17:56] <EagleScreen> i can tell you that in Debian or Suse this problem is not present, thay change the language as expected
[17:57] <apachelogger> stupid langack patches always break some shiz -.-
[17:57] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: so?
[17:57] <EagleScreen> so this is a Kubuntu specific issue
[17:57] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: so?
[17:57] <apachelogger> want me to remove the list widget?
[17:58] <EagleScreen> so I must give feedback about it
[17:58] <apachelogger> yep yep, though there is some report about that particular issue
[17:58] <apachelogger> + it is not the kubuntu way of changing the language
[17:59] <apachelogger> the kubuntu way is switching the syslang
[17:59] <EagleScreen> :o
[18:00] <EagleScreen> in my opinion the Kubuntu way is not a good idea, and why is it necessary in Kubuntu and not in the rest of distributions?
[18:00] <apachelogger> *sigh*
[18:00] <apachelogger> because it is
[18:01]  * apachelogger takes note of the issue and wil look into it once he gets time
[18:01] <EagleScreen> ok and thanks
[18:03] <nixternal> Riddell: no
[18:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: exception accepted
[18:06] <neversfelde> a universe package can be in the Recommends section of a package in main, is that correct?
[18:07] <persia> Ideally not.
[18:09] <neversfelde> persia: there is a universe package in Recommends for kipi-plugins "graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat", I would like to add hugin, because it is needed for a new expoblending feature
[18:10] <neversfelde> debian did that, too
[18:11] <persia> Well, this will show up in component-mismatches, and the archive-admins will want to you undo it.
[18:11] <persia> It is considered a bug.  It's not a critical bug.
[18:13] <neversfelde> I am not sure what to do. If you choose the expoblending feature in kipi-plugins, it displays a warning, that hugin needs to be installed. So hugin needs to be recommended somewhere?
[18:15] <EagleScreen> apachelogger: you may want to know that after changing the system language to en_GB, this is still in Spanish
[18:16] <persia> neversfelde: If you wanted to be really tricky, you could catch the error and offer to install the software for the user.
[18:16] <persia> I did this with a package where my recommends was downgraded to suggests, but I really needed it for one feature.
[18:16] <neversfelde> also kipi-plugins will not have some new features announced with 1.1.0 and 1.1.2 like RedEyeRemovement because of missing libs in main
[18:17] <neversfelde> persia: I think I will never manage to do this till thursday :)
[18:17] <persia> That's the challenge :)
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20100413-1.txt
[18:20] <nixternal> nixternal->(gone_for_the_day);
[18:25] <neversfelde> kipi-plugins needs a second runtime dependency Enblend, that is also in universe :(
[18:26] <neversfelde> I think it is not a good idea to introduce a package that needs major changes so close before final freeze?
[18:29] <debfx> apachelogger: could you merge the powerdevil aptches into kdebase-workspace? https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/powerdevil-patches/+merge/23337
[18:38] <CIA-6> [kdepimlibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413173817-ek5pe87gvmn2wh8t * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_02_hide_akonadi_progressbar.patch to hide start/stop progressbar as done in KDE trunk and requested by ScottK LP: #562420
[18:38] <apachelogger> debfx: cando
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'm committing the CVE fix to bzr in just a bit here
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> though the patch that riddell just uploaded isn't present...
[18:40] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: congratulations for becoming core dev
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: thanks :)
[18:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what fix? ^^
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20100413-1.txt
[18:41] <apachelogger> oh
[18:41]  * apachelogger didnt read mail all day long
[18:41] <apachelogger> was breaking akonadi ^^
[18:41] <CIA-6> [kdepimlibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413174138-l9hjlbca2yeu8zy1 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2
[18:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: which patch isn't present?
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kubuntu_119, the dbusmenu one
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> it's not in the upload to the archive either, it seems
[18:42] <apachelogger> up up we go
[18:42]  * apachelogger moves on to akonadi
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, do I have to do that cia magics every boot?
[18:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: fooey, added now
[18:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, for every branch
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: could you tell me the command again?
[18:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: was this security issue advertised?
[18:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bzr cia-project kubuntu
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yes: http://www.kde.org/info/security/
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thanks
[18:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but not on e-mails?
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I've not seen one
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> saw it on Digg, actually
[18:44] <apachelogger> uhm
[18:44] <apachelogger> that is a flaw in the system
[18:44] <apachelogger> this stuff should be announced to packager and release
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> it usually is :/
[18:45] <apachelogger> maybe we just found a bug in dirk ^^
[18:46] <Riddell> we should also check with the security team about doing -security updates
[18:46] <neversfelde> I think it is best to leave kipi-plugins at 1.0.0 and ship digikam in 1.2.0 with lucid, I will ask upstream, if that is ok for them. For maverick it will need a lot of work, I will have a look at it, if Lure is still busy then and try to backport. Do you agree with this?
[18:47] <Riddell> neversfelde: usually we just go with what lure says :)
[18:48] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100413174809-hpska67yneotl3dr * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add CVE-2010-0436_fix_kdm_local_exploit.diff from upstream to fix a local KDM vulnerability (LP: #562440)
[18:48] <CIA-6> [akonadi] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100413174848-qaw2jqpgakoav91v * debian/changelog releasing version 1.3.1-0ubuntu3
[18:49] <Riddell> neversfelde: you don't want to do the new kipi-plugins because of new dependencies?
[18:49] <neversfelde> Riddell: he is busy with baby and job, so I offered to have a look at digikam and kipi for lucid
[18:49] <neversfelde> Riddell: new Recommends
[18:49] <neversfelde> hugin and another one, bot in universe
[18:49] <neversfelde> s/bot/both
[18:50] <apachelogger>   Uploading akonadi_1.3.1-0ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[18:50] <apachelogger> MAGIC
[18:50]  * apachelogger can eat again
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think that it might be best if I do the ubuntu12 upload for the patch, and that the osd stuff can come in ubuntu13
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> or I could just merge the patches real quick ;)
[18:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: whatever you like best mister core dev ;)
[18:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you choose to do the mergery, could you please also merge debfx's powerdevil stuff
[18:53] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/powerdevil-patches/+merge/23337
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, that's what I was saying about merging the patches
[18:54] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100413175425-h7nhww8nwjz7hh5w * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[18:54] <CIA-6> [ Felix Geyer ] * Add kubuntu_119_powerdevil_fix_suspend_twice.diff, fixes
[18:54] <CIA-6> PowerDevil suspending twice when system is idle. http://bugs.kde.org/221637 *
[19:25] <imbrandon> nixternal / ScottK : indeed I have considered applying for the Cloud Community postion, still mulling it over
[19:26] <imbrandon> guess i should make my decision today sometime to get an app in , in a timely manner
[19:26] <imbrandon> lol
[19:35] <neversfelde> Riddell: still around?
[19:37] <rgreening> OMG: the first para dropped me to the floor... http://www.osnews.com/story/23151/Rumour_Google_To_Open_Source_VP8_Video_Codec
[19:38] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100413183805-xvt2ou5ghdxjo1h6 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu12
[19:40] <apachelogger> hm
[19:41] <apachelogger> internet farting unicorns
[19:41] <apachelogger> that indeed might become a new buzzword right there
[19:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: you shouldn read crappynews.com though
[19:41] <apachelogger> leaves a bad taste
[19:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: how is the courser stuff progressing?
[19:41] <apachelogger> cursor even
[19:41] <rgreening> I know, but I love a good chuckle now and then.
[19:42] <rgreening> once work stops riding me... I may get some time to send it tonight
[19:42]  * rgreening crosses fingers
[19:42] <apachelogger> you said that yesterday already :P
[19:43] <rgreening> back to the future or deja vu huh.. good talent to have
[19:44]  * apachelogger puts some honey in his tea and decides that he shall do useful things tomorrow
[19:55] <sebas> debfx: can you join #solid, that's where we're coordinating powerdevil stuff, and dario (drf) has some questions / comments on one of the patches
[19:55] <sebas> your account is ready, btw :_
[19:55] <sebas> :)
[19:56] <debfx> sebas: cool, thanks :)
[19:56] <sebas> :)
[19:59] <promulo> Riddell, just saw your comment on the proposal :)
[19:59] <promulo> I've posted a reply
[20:50] <Riddell> neversfelde: how's the packaging?
[20:53] <neversfelde> Riddell: freeze exception requests for digikam are filed and I have a package for kipi-plugins in staging, but it pulls in mono and other things
[20:54] <neversfelde> because of recommending hugin
[20:54] <Riddell> yuck
[20:54] <Riddell> what's the beastie numbers?
[20:54] <maco> make it suggests instead of recommends?
[20:55] <neversfelde> maco: yes, but Debian recommends
[20:55] <maco> i wonder why
[20:55] <maco> i thought recommends was for "would be found together in all but unusual setups"
[20:56] <maco> and the set of people who use a photo album is MUCH larger than the set that make panoramas
[20:56] <neversfelde> we could make it suggest hugin and remove the expoblending desktop file and would "only" have a link in the menu, which is not working without hugin
[20:56] <neversfelde> that's not a big problem, because a warning is displayed
[20:59] <Riddell> what does the desktop file do?
[21:00] <neversfelde> Riddell: add a link to the expoblending tool, which is only working with hugin to kickoff
[21:00] <neversfelde> wait, it is till there
[21:00] <neversfelde> s/till/still
[21:05] <Riddell> neversfelde: run kbuildsycoca4
[21:06] <neversfelde> Riddell: already did, it is still available in kickoff
[21:07] <neversfelde> hum, now it is away
[21:07] <neversfelde> no, it is still there, kickoff seems to be a little bit buggy
[21:09] <ari-tczew> could you review bug 533432 please?
[21:11] <neversfelde> I uninstalled hugin and it is gone now
[21:11] <neversfelde> weird :)
[21:12] <amichair> Riddell: I hope the fix is ok, the event handling there is quite tangled up... any chance u played around with it with the fix applied?
[21:14] <Riddell> amichair: not yet, I'll do some CD testing tomorrow
[21:15] <neversfelde> Riddell: seems that kickoffs search feature is not updated, so expoblending link is no there, when installing from staging. This link is available in digikam and gwenview and if hugin is not installed, a window is offered, which recommends to install it. I think best way would be to move hugin to Suggested and talk to the debian maintainer
[21:15] <Riddell> amichair: bug 538505 maybe related to the event handling I suppose
[21:15] <amichair> Riddell: great, would love to hear how it goes
[21:15] <Riddell> neversfelde: sounds good
[21:16] <neversfelde> ok, I'll do this and file UI/Feature freeze exceptions
[21:16] <amichair> Riddell: Yes, possibly. I'll be pretty busy the next couple of days, but if it's not fixed and a window of opportunity comes, I'll be happy to take a deeper look
[21:57] <sgh> Hi
[21:58] <sgh> How do I find a history packaging of libssh-4? I would like to downgrade to the version before the current version.
[21:59] <neversfelde> ScottK: Riddell: bug 561691 and bug 562561
[22:26] <debfx> sgh: are you getting "Out of Memory" errors in konqueror with sftp?
[22:26] <sgh> debfx: yes
[22:27] <sgh> debfx: I have just allways wondere how to find a recent historic version
[22:27] <debfx> sgh: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/libssh/0.4.0-1ubuntu1
[22:28] <debfx> sgh: you need to click on your architecture below "Builds"
[22:28] <sgh> debfx: how did you get to that page?
[22:29] <debfx> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libssh -> "View full publishing history"
[22:30] <sgh> debfx: aaahhh ... nice
[22:33] <apachelogger> Mamarok, JontheEchidna: what is this horrible news about broken pulseaudio I've been hearing?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: upstream bug, as far as I can tell. Or at least the Qt patch we've been handed by upstream is insufficient
[22:34] <apachelogger> fantastic
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> I should ping sandsmark about that
[22:36] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: I subscribed you to the bug report, but yes, you should talk to sandsmark
[22:36] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: and while you are at it, with cguthrie, too
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: yes, I've been in discussions with cguthrie on the bug
[22:37] <Mamarok> both hang out in #phonon
[22:37]  * apachelogger takes JontheEchidna on a visit to #phonon
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: just pinged sandsmark in #kde-devel
[22:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we might be looking at serious brain demage this time!!!
[22:47]  * apachelogger forgot to boil his tea water
[22:47] <Nightrose> ohnoes!
[22:47]  * Nightrose hugs the apachelogger and hopes it makes things better
[22:48] <apachelogger> didn't help :(
[22:48] <apachelogger> I appreciate the gesture though
[22:48]  * apachelogger rehugs Nightrose
[22:48] <Nightrose> awww
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: zomg, cubecap needs updated, stat!
[23:04] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:04] <apachelogger> AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[23:04]  * apachelogger aint got no compositing 
[23:04] <apachelogger> + I am watching torchwood
[23:05] <apachelogger> dont tell me such horrible things when I am watching torchwood
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> sry
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> I'll get to it once Phonon is squared away
[23:06] <apachelogger> aaah, he got the second glove!!!
[23:07] <apachelogger> omg omg
[23:08] <apachelogger> shtylman: ping ping
[23:09] <shtylman> apachelogger: pong
[23:10] <apachelogger> shtylman: do we have a SVG version of that kubuntu menu icon
[23:10] <shtylman> new logo you mean?
[23:10] <shtylman> we have an svg of that
[23:10] <apachelogger> no, the kde oxygen logo with our circle thingy
[23:10] <shtylman> iirc noone has made it into a new menu icon
[23:11] <apachelogger> well, I have it here
[23:11] <apachelogger> just not SVG ^^
[23:11] <shtylman> hmm... not sure if I follow
[23:11] <apachelogger> sec
[23:11] <shtylman> what is the "kde oxygen logo" ?
[23:11] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/CFiKSU.html
[23:11] <apachelogger> shtylman: ^
[23:12] <shtylman> whoa... I didn't make that :)
[23:12] <shtylman> and ive never seen it
[23:12] <shtylman> before now
[23:12] <apachelogger> omg, but who did
[23:12] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:12] <shtylman> my guess: Riddell
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: riddell did, I think
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> at least, he put in in bzr
[23:13] <apachelogger> first nixternal, now jr
[23:13] <apachelogger> soon we will run out of devs, everyone is doing artist work these days :)
[23:14] <apachelogger> shtylman: can you make a SVG of that?
[23:14] <apachelogger> though
[23:14] <apachelogger> before
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: were you saying something about Qt builds taking 26 hours to compile on arm? Is there anything I should take in to consideration before uploading?
[23:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think about exchanging the current logo cubecap with a 800x800 sized menu icon with our circle
[23:15] <apachelogger> IIRC our logo looks like shit without backgrand, and with background it also looks like shit
[23:15] <shtylman> apachelogger: I bet Riddell has the svg... so no need to make it again :)
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, black doesn't really do any favors when put up against... anything... in this case
[23:16] <apachelogger> shtylman: JontheEchidna wants a fix stat :P
[23:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping ping
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it is perhaps even more important than CrapAudio integration for Phonon!
[23:17] <rgreening> plymouth suxorz
[23:17] <apachelogger> shtylman: well, meanwhile, if you have time, maybe you could take a look at whether you have some fancy idea to make the cubecap look hot and sexy
[23:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong pong
[23:17] <shtylman> kk
[23:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you put the svg(z) for start-here-kubuntu in kds please
[23:20] <Riddell> honestly not sure where I put it now
[23:21] <Riddell> not hard to remake though
[23:21] <apachelogger> :)
[23:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, maybe shtylman gets a better idea anyway
[23:21] <apachelogger> whihch would be much preferred
[23:22] <shtylman> apachelogger: what is the object with that one as it is now?
[23:22] <shtylman> doesn't look good?
[23:22] <apachelogger> shtylman: it is the old kubuntu logo and looks like crap
[23:23] <apachelogger> shtylman: upstream uses an oversized logo
[23:23] <apachelogger> which looks better but still not really "wowing"
[23:24] <shtylman> apachelogger: the image you sent me isn't the old logo...
[23:24] <Riddell> talking about artwork bug 557220 is rather important
[23:24] <shtylman> wait.. im lost
[23:24] <shtylman> what is the new logo?
[23:25]  * apachelogger is lost too
[23:25] <shtylman> the splash does use the new logo
[23:25] <apachelogger> shtylman: when you turn on the desktop cube kwin effect
[23:25] <apachelogger> you have an image on the top and on the bottom
[23:25] <shtylman> apachelogger: ahhhhh
[23:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna can surely make a picture
[23:25]  * apachelogger doesnt have desktop effects
[23:25] <shtylman> Riddell: is that bug still open?
[23:25] <Riddell> shtylman: the CD boot splash, not the plymouth bootup splash
[23:26] <shtylman> Riddell: cause I see the new logo on boot..
[23:26] <shtylman> ahh
[23:26] <shtylman> ok.. all is cleared up
[23:26] <Riddell> which has the same problem as apachelogger's issue with kwin cube, it needs to be on black
[23:26] <shtylman> I see
[23:26] <shtylman> on black with no circle around it?
[23:27] <Riddell> full logo, including text
[23:32] <Riddell> quick answer is just to use white text of course
[23:32] <rgreening> Riddell: you should read bug 535108 regarding plymouth. maybe we could cheat temporarily and add cryptsetup to kubuntu-desktop meta... or something to force the early loading of plymouth... may help.
[23:36] <Riddell> r	why is that a cheat?
[23:58] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping