[07:45] <lool> GrueMaster: You can't loop mount cramfs; you have to gunzip + cpio -i it
[08:50] <zumbi> hrw|gone: yet another ARM netbook, http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Science-and-Technology-Co-Ltd-Wabook/
[08:54] <suihkulokki> VIA arm, wtf.
[09:05] <persia> They build any sort of processor :)
[09:13] <ogra> ndec, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/ has a live image for the C4 beagle that should boot and run without hitting OOM (still not installable and indeed very slow on that HW, but workable and our future base for later releases)
[09:14] <ogra> ndec, from now on we should have "usable" dailies
[09:14] <ndec> ogra: thx.
[09:14] <ndec> ogra: does the installer support installation on the SD card, or does it require USB drive?
[09:15] <ndec> ogra: btw, I will be in vacation next 3 days... ;-)
[09:15] <ogra> ndec, for lucid it requires a USB drive
[09:15] <ogra> ndec, for later we'll do with other setups, given that thu. is the last day to upload anything to lucid i had to make many compromises ...
[09:16] <ogra> ndec, the lucid image will also re-use the SD as /boot
[09:16] <ndec> ogra: ok. but if there is a workaround I can do on the image, please let me know.
[09:16] <hrw|gone> zumbi: this netbook is parody of all netbooks...
[09:16] <ogra> ndec, but we're not there yet, the partitioner seems to hit a kernel bug atm
[09:17] <lool> suihkulokki: Hey, I couldn't get qemu-maemo/-meego to work with SD card images; it hangs agter Uncompressing linux... done., can't get any kernel output; does it work for you with some combination of SD image + qemu-system-arm invocation?  NB: I'm building without the gles forward libs
[09:17] <lool> (This is with -M beagle)
[09:17] <ogra> ndec, Bug 561426 ... probably your kernel folks have an idea and could help amitk
[09:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 561426 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "partman dies when trying to detect disks due to kernel error (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561426
[09:17] <hrw|gone> 10" 1024x600 are fine. but 300MHz arm926 cpu and 2h battery life??? my 8 years zaurus is faster and have better battery life
[09:18] <suihkulokki> lool: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu
[09:24] <ogra> ndec, oh, and i forgot, http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap/netboot/omap/ has a working netinstall image too now (as well as http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ports/daily/current/) ... they all suffer the same partitioner issue though, but these two are more lightweight
[09:26] <amitk> ogra: its interesting though that I cannot trigger this on a USB stick (running fdisk/formatting, etc.) from rootfs
[09:26] <ogra> amitk, well, i would happily give more debug info if i could switch consoles in d-i
[09:27] <amitk> ogra: serial console?
[09:27] <ogra> doesnt give me tty4 :)
[09:27] <amitk> ogra: the exact set of commands that trigger this would be useful
[09:27] <ogra> i tried already, i cant get any output from the partman script at all
[09:28] <amitk> live images are not very useful for development, I want to recreate this on an 'installed' system
[09:28] <ogra> i'll try to attach the script that runs last to the bug ... but i cant identify which command causes the actual failure
[09:30] <amitk> ogra: tty4?
[09:30] <ogra> amitk, thats where d-i runs and shows output ...
[09:31] <ogra> amitk, its not that important ... i tried to redirect script output to a file but didnt get any info from that either, it dies very early
[09:31] <lool> suihkulokki: thanks
[09:31] <ogra> like ... before it execs commands it seems
[09:33] <lool> suihkulokki: Do you run your tree with beagle images from time to time?
[09:35] <suihkulokki> randomly
[09:43] <neure> hello
[09:43] <neure> what is the current status?
[09:43] <amitk> great!
[09:43] <neure> where can i get image i can try?
[09:44] <amitk> you haven't specified what status you're inquiring about nor which image you're interested in :)
[09:45] <neure> i want to try ubuntu on my beagleboard
[09:45] <neure> does keyboard, mouse, network work?
[09:45] <amitk> neure: yes, on the live image.
[09:45] <neure> where do i get one?
[09:45] <ogra> neure, what beagle (revision)
[09:45] <neure> rev c i think
[09:45] <neure> this is 256MB
[09:46] <ogra> revC should work (but very slow) with the live image
[09:46] <neure> very slow?
[09:46] <neure> why?
[09:46] <amitk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/
[09:46] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/
[09:46] <neure> whicih one?
[09:46] <neure> i mean which image
[09:46] <neure> omap?
[09:46] <amitk> yes
[09:47] <ogra> neure, because our live images are rather built for 512M ... the 256M HW makes everything slow and the image has to use several hacks to even make it work at all
[09:47] <neure> can i tell it not to boot to X?
[09:48] <neure> something like server install?)
[09:48] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ports/daily/current/
[09:48] <ogra> try that image then
[09:49] <ogra> note though that we are working on a bug with the partitioner atm, you wont get very far
[09:55] <lool> suihkulokki: The meego n900 drop boots fine for me with your cmdline, but e.g. an Angstrom beagleboard SD card image doesn't; I'm using:
[09:55] <lool> qemu-maemo-system-arm -M beagle -m 256 -sd Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.sd-image-2GiB.img  -serial stdio -clock unix
[09:55] <lool> suihkulokki: Do you use any extra args which could help?
[09:56] <neure> ogra i need something i can use to build my app
[09:58] <suihkulokki> lool: try building the kernel with early printk on to see where it ends
[09:58] <ogra> amitk, so it does seem this time testing i dont even get as far as partman ... seems it rather fails in disk-detect
[09:58] <ogra> which gets me even less logs :/
[09:59] <lool> suihkulokki: Ok thanks
[10:00] <amitk> ogra: seems like disk-detect is d-i-only?
[10:01] <ogra> no, ubiquity uses it as well
[10:01] <amitk> (I meant it isn't part of the standard install)
[10:02] <ogra> it is
[10:02] <ogra> oh, you mean on the installed system ? no
[10:02] <ogra> its a script that checks the disk availability
[10:02]  * ogra treis to log to a file
[10:02] <amitk> script with no debug output, I presume?
[10:04] <hrw> hi
[10:06] <ogra> amitk, debug output added to the bug now (running disk-detect with set -x)
[10:06] <ogra> amitk, smells like it dies even before
[10:07] <amitk> ogra: question is, will all debugging have to be done in a live environment only? Or does the installed system have similar commands...
[10:07] <ogra> amitk, i doubt it
[10:07] <ogra> lets iedntify what triggers it first
[10:10] <amitk> ogra: can the disk-detect script be used outside d-i?
[10:11] <ogra> i dont think so, it sources several d-i componentws
[10:11] <ogra> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44009972/syslog somewhat indicates that the issue lies even before disk-detect
[10:13] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:27 kernel: [  318.895812] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x40200000
[10:13] <ogra> right
[10:13] <ogra> thats right *before* disk-detect runs
[10:13] <ogra> i wonder if it has something to do with the check for missing firmware
[10:14] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:23 main-menu[238]: INFO: Menu item 'disk-detect' selected
[10:14] <ogra> i'll set -x that one (if i can find it)
[10:14] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:24 kernel: [  316.195953] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[10:14] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:24 net/hw-detect.hotplug: Detected hotpluggable network interface eth0
[10:14] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:24 net/hw-detect.hotplug: Detected hotpluggable network interface lo
[10:14] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:26 check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in /tmp/missing-firmware
[10:14] <amitk> Apr 13 08:47:27 kernel: [  318.895812] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x40200000
[10:14] <amitk> ogra: it says you selected disk-detect there...
[10:14] <ogra> yeah
[10:14] <ogra> d-i selects it
[10:14] <ogra> or rather the main-menu process (which is the core of d-i)
[10:16] <ogra> Apr 13 09:15:46 main-menu[240]: (process:5940): + log no missing firmware in /tmp/missing-firmware
[10:16] <ogra> Apr 13 09:15:46 main-menu[240]: (process:5940): + logger -t check-missing-firmware no missing firmware in /tmp/missing-firmware
[10:16] <ogra> Apr 13 09:15:46 main-menu[240]: (process:5940): + return 1
[10:16] <ogra> Apr 13 09:15:46 main-menu[240]: (process:5940): Bus error
[10:16] <ogra> Apr 13 09:15:46 main-menu[240]: (process:5940): Bus error
[10:16] <ogra> Apr 13 09:15:46 main-menu[240]: (process:5940): Bus error
[10:16] <ogra> so thats with set -x in check-missing-firmware
[10:17] <ogra> the non-linefetch error still shows above that
[10:17]  * ogra puts set -x into net/hw-detect.hotplug
[10:20] <ogra> amitk, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/+bug/561426/comments/3
[10:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 561426 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "partman dies when trying to detect disks due to kernel error (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,In progress]
[10:25] <ogra> hmm, adding set -x to net/hw-detect.hotplug doesnt get me any more output
[10:28] <amitk> ogra: no strace possible?
[10:28] <ogra> ~ #
[10:28] <ogra> ~ # parted_devices
[10:28] <ogra> [ 1034.439666] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x40200000
[10:28] <ogra> Bus error
[10:28] <ogra> ~ #
[10:28] <ogra> got it !
[10:31] <nosse1> ogra, I have the same on my ti-omap variant
[10:31] <nosse1> hence I doubt it's a ubuntu regression
[10:39] <ogra> nosse1, no matter if its a regression or not, it breaks the ubuntu (and likely also debian) installer
[11:00] <ogra> lool, you wanted to change the omap naming scheme, do you plan to do that for lucid ? (i'm just patching libdebian-installer to add proper subarch detection)
[11:02] <kbingham> anyone know if efence / electric fence is thread safe ?
[11:02] <kbingham> or rather - i think its not - does anyone know of any thread safe memory bounds tools to run on the arm ?
[11:05] <lool> ogra: You mean omap3 versus omap?  After yours and amitks explanation, I'm happy to keep it if it means any OMAP
[11:05] <lool> At least 3 and 4 that is
[11:05] <ogra> ok
[11:05] <lool> amitk: Hmm open(/dev/mem)  :-)
[11:05] <ogra> just wanted to know if i need to take that into account for d-i
[11:06] <ogra> lool, yeah, it tries to run dmidecode :P
[11:06] <ogra> or parts of it at least which are copied into parted_devices
[11:08]  * ogra takes a break
[11:11] <amitk> lool: yeah, /dev/mem is so irresistible :)
[13:14] <amitk> ogra: do you know already if the parted fixes fix the problem?
[13:15] <ogra> amitk, still building with the fix
[13:15] <ogra> i'll test asap
[13:15] <ogra> but the parted build takes a while
[13:16] <amitk> ok
[13:27] <dmart> ogra: is the mobile IRC meeting cancelled today?
[13:27] <ogra> dmart, its in 30min
[13:27] <ogra> dmart, do you share calendars with asac ? he asked the same some mins ago :)
[13:28] <ian_brasil> are there any popcon figures available for arm?
[13:28] <dmart> Oh, ... ah my calendar doesn't understand that meeting's in UTC don't move with daylight savings time
[13:28] <ian_brasil> looked @ http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ and the latest seem to be dapper
[13:28] <ogra> ian_brasil, http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[13:29] <ogra> ian_brasil, i simply doubt anyone enabled popcon on the few armel installs we have
[13:30] <ian_brasil> ogra, this could be quite useful..could this be encouraged in the installer?
[13:37] <ogra> amitk, fixed :)
[13:38] <ogra> Creating ext4 file system for / in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) ...
[13:38] <ogra> :D
[13:39] <ogra> wohoo ... i'm in base-install
[13:42] <asac> nice
[13:43] <amitk> ogra: nice!
[13:44] <ogra> and cjwatson already uploaded ...
[14:42] <nosse1> I have an ever-eating netbook-launcher running on my target. Now it has consumed 525M of ram, on a 256M system.... Anyone else seen this behaviour?
[14:44] <ogra> netbook-launcher ? or netbook-launcher-efl ?
[14:44] <ogra> (dont run the former on armel)
[14:46] <nosse1> ogra, It's the efl version. It is the one started automatically
[14:46] <plars> nosse1: I've not seen it take up that much, no.  What version, and what are you running it on?
[14:47] <nosse1> Now its 534M, so I suspect a leak.
[14:47] <nosse1> ii  netbook-launcher-efl       0.2.6-0ubuntu1             A lite version of netbook launcher written in EFL
[14:47]  * ogra has only seen netbook-launcher misbehave 
[14:47] <ogra> but never efl
[14:48]  * nosse1 cant tell if it should behave this way or if its a leak
[14:48] <ogra> it shouldnt
[14:49] <nosse1> Hmm. Its consuming 50% CPU constantly as well
[14:49] <plars> nosse1: how long has it been running?
[14:49] <nosse1> demo       894 58.8 67.8 538024 168144 ?       RLl  13:36  77:41 /usr/bin/netbook-launcher-efl
[14:51] <nosse1> I want to kill it, unless theres something you would like to know
[15:06] <GrueMaster> nosse1: What version is it?  I have had it running overnight on my systems and it is only using 56104k memory.
[15:11] <nosse1> It's the 0.2.6-0ubuntu1 version
[15:11] <nosse1> I updated this morning
[15:17] <amitk> ogra: uploading a 'final' kernel to people.canonical.com/~amitk/ti . Please test and let me know if you see anything untoward. I'll test it overnight here and upload first thing tomorrow morning.
[15:17] <ogra> amitk, ok, will do, thanks a lot for the awesome work the last days
[15:17] <amitk> It has OTG support plus some config fixes, everything else will have to go as SRUs
[15:18] <ogra> right
[15:18] <amitk> ogra: thank you :)
[15:22] <ogra> amitk, oh, we might need to have a uboot-mkimage dependency in linux-image-2.6.33-500-omap
[15:22] <ogra> apw, ^^^
[15:22] <ogra> can that be added
[15:23] <apw> ogra, i'll let amitk handlle that
[15:23] <ogra> ok
[15:23] <apw> as i don't have an uptodate omap tree at the mo
[15:23] <Martyn> morning
[15:24]  * Martyn is dissapointed .. TI has said there are no plans to bring an omap44xx beagleboard into play.  *sigh*
[15:24] <Martyn> and nVidia are completely out of tegra250's
[15:29] <GrueMaster> lool: Thanks for reminding me about initrd being cramfs.  It has been a long time since I debugged an initrd issue.
[15:38] <plars> GrueMaster: it does seem to grow very gradually,  I've been up for just about 30 min on this system and n-b-l-e is at 24164 RSS, if you are at 54k from overnight, that would indicate it seems to have grown over time, but it's hard to imagine it getting to 525M as nosse1 is seeing very soon at that rate
[15:38] <plars> something has to be setting it off
[15:38] <plars> nosse1: are you doing a lot from the console? anything you can think of that may have cause it to suddenly grow rapidly?
[15:39] <nosse1> No, I just left the target while going for lunch
[15:43] <ogra> amitk, is your OTG fix supposed to fix that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/413681/ (i get it on an installed system)
[16:02] <cpearson> Martyn, there will be no OMAP4 'BeagleBoard' but there will certainly be a low cost development board from us... just with a different name
[16:03] <cpearson> cheer up :)
[16:03] <Martyn> cpearson: Yeah .. but I will miss the compact cuteness of the beagleboard
[16:03] <cpearson> um... let's say that it'll be about the same form factor and backwards compatible
[16:03]  * Martyn perks
[16:11] <nosse1> Is is possible to install hooks on update-initramfs in order to generate uInitrd images?
[16:12] <nosse1> How do you do it (i.e. workflow) when u-boot is involved
[16:13] <GrueMaster> I'm not sure, but I think the kernel post install script does that for the dove kernels.
[16:13] <GrueMaster> It may be easier to create a wrapper script.
[16:14] <ogra> nosse1, thast done by flash-kernel
[16:14] <ogra> nosse1, i'm working on getting that pieces sorted before thu.
[16:15] <prpplague> cpearson: first day at the conference go well?
[16:20] <cpearson> yes, just VERY long. The Ubuntu on ARM BoF didn't wrap up until 10pm
[16:20] <ogra> wow
[16:21] <ogra> sounds like lots of interest
[16:21] <cpearson> Dave's talk was good, and our the Ubuntu on OMAP4 demo sparked a lot of conversation
[16:21] <ogra> sweet
[16:27]  * cpearson packs up and heads over to the conference
[16:41] <GrueMaster> ogra: I fixed the dove netboot issue (well figured out what was wrong).  Need a fix for debian-installer.  See my post on bug 541399
[16:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 541399 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "netboot image fails to boot. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541399
[16:42]  * ogra reloads
[16:43] <ogra> GrueMaster, that proves my point ;)
[16:43] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~/Devel/branches/debian-installer/ubuntu$ grep INITRD_FS ./build/config/armel/dove/cdrom.cfg
[16:43] <ogra> INITRD_FS = initramfs
[16:43] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~/Devel/branches/debian-installer/ubuntu$ grep INITRD_FS ./build/config/armel/dove/netboot.cfg
[16:43] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~/Devel/branches/debian-installer/ubuntu$
[16:43] <hrw> which conference? ELC?
[16:44] <GrueMaster> So, it should be a very simple fix, right?
[16:46] <ogra> GrueMaster, committed
[16:46] <GrueMaster> cool, thanks.
[20:25] <amitk> ogra: this oops occurs _after_ the install?