[00:57] Hi TheMuso, nice break in the weather, huh? [00:57] I guess since it's warming up here it must be cooling down for you [01:00] rickspencer3: Indeed, and I am looking forward to it. [01:00] right [01:00] There is nothign better than a cool fresh morning for exercise. [01:00] because it cools down for you to what i heats up to for us in Seattle [01:00] ;) [01:01] heh [01:02] break time for me [01:02] I'm looking forward to some properly cold winter. [01:02] be back later for some hacking [01:02] Frost and such. [01:03] RAOF: Yeah that is nice. When I lived on the mountains, winter quite often like that. [01:03] Sometimes the temperature in a day didn't get above 5 degrees. [01:04] It makes hot showers that much more satisfying! [01:13] RAOF: yeah that too. [01:23] bryceh, RAOF, we can now reinstate nouveau package as a dep of xorg for powerpc. The kernel has the drm module, and users say it works, and there is room on the disks. [01:23] Hurray! [01:29] TheMuso, nice [07:28] bonjour [07:34] Good morning [07:37] aloha [07:50] hey desktopers [07:50] bonjour seb128 [07:50] bonjour baptistemm [07:50] hey czajkowski [07:51] guten tag piti [07:51] pitti even [07:51] session restart brb [07:52] re [07:52] ara: do you know of a bug that has been logged where the rows for your other desktops are now in a column all squsihed up in your bottom panel ? [07:53] pitti, I've an appointement in half an hour so don't worry if I'm not around until 10:30 [07:53] czajkowski, no [07:53] seb128: and I was just going to get the whip out to make you fix bugs even faster! [07:53] * pitti hugs seb128 [07:53] * seb128 hugs pitti [07:54] pitti, can I recommend using the whip on robert_ancell while I'm not there? ;-) [07:54] oh, hey robert_ancell, how are you? [07:54] robert_ancell, sorry could not resist seeing you are still around :p [07:54] robert_ancell, hey btw ;-) [07:54] how are you? [07:55] * ccheney should probably go to bed, so he can be up in the morning, heh [07:57] loosing my mind trying to track down this gdm bug... [07:58] ccheney: sleep well! [07:58] seb128: phew, lucid retracers are finally tame [07:59] pitti, nice! [07:59] ok, I've to run [07:59] be back in 1.5h [08:01] * ccheney has OOo ready except for waiting on ARM patch from NCommander and finishing the oracle copyright L10n stuff [08:12] good morning [08:22] hey didrocks, how are you? [08:25] robert_ancell: does the design team actually know about reviewing simple-scan? (it's one of the three last WIs for lucid) [08:25] pitti: I'm good, thanks. Trying to enjoy some nice walk in the early morning :) [08:25] pitti: and you? [08:25] robert_ancell: but since it's quite independent from the release cycle, I'm also happy to postpone it [08:25] didrocks: oh, yay for fresh air :) I'm great, thanks [08:28] * didrocks just killed the first troll of the day in the ubuntu-fr forum. Can work now :) [08:29] hi pitti, seb128, didrocks robert_ancell & others :) [08:29] hey baptistemm, how are you? [08:30] pitti, I'd just postpone/cancel it. I asked Ivanka/Ayatana a while ago but they didn't seem interested/had time [08:30] (in anycase it is too late for any UI changes) [08:30] well, I motivated to improve the bluetooth stack for ubuntu [08:30] but my day-to-day job is deceiving me in some parts [08:34] robert_ancell: ack [08:37] baptistemm: what do you work on at orange? [08:43] didrocks, on the applicative side of the system, I do my best to integrate applications from developpers [08:44] baptistemm: oh, I know someone who is doing the same for sfr :) [08:44] I manage the servers which provide the answers from the search engine [08:44] http://www.lemoteur.fr/S/voila?profil=lemoteur&bhv=web_fr&rtype=kw&rdata=ubuntu [08:45] mind the wornderful url :/ [08:45] baptistemm: do you have a lot of requests in those internal search engine? I always wonders if people are using this… [08:46] lot of orange.fr subcribers I guess [08:46] oki [10:02] good morning everyone [10:03] hey chrisccoulson_ [10:03] hey pitti, how are you? [10:05] hey chrisccoulson_ [10:05] hey didrocks_ [10:05] **didrocks [10:06] No, I'm not a pointer :p [10:06] lol [10:06] you're a pointer to an array ;) [10:06] how are you anyway? [10:09] does anyone want to update epiphany to 2.30? [10:10] re [10:10] hey seb128, how are you? [10:10] chrisccoulson_: I'm fine, thanks, you? ;) [10:11] why doctors always have to be late [10:11] hey chrisccoulson_, didrocks [10:11] chrisccoulson_, I'm good thanks [10:11] hey seb128 [10:11] epiphany -> can't we sync from debian? [10:11] didrocks - yeah, good thanks. it's nice and sunny outside today :) [10:11] seb128 - we can, would you be able to do that? [10:12] (we won't be able to sync once i've changed the search URL though :( ) [10:12] I can do that but if you have a change to do just take the debian version do it and upload [10:12] heh, yeah, that would make more sense actually ;) [10:12] * chrisccoulson_ needs more coffee [10:13] lol [10:13] coffee! [10:14] it seems that seb128 has some keyword, like "coffee", "lunch" which makes him react :) [10:14] heh [10:14] didrocks, you know me! [10:15] heh [10:16] didrocks, I see that now that you are done with the trial period you start showing less respect to people there :p [10:16] oh! nothing related :p [10:17] hello desktop team [10:18] Hell, bzr hero. [10:18] hey james_w [10:18] how are you? [10:18] hey james_w [10:18] hey james_w [10:18] hey RAOF [10:18] RAOF, hey, did you have a fix for f-spot export to directory crashing? [10:18] seb128: good thanks, you? [10:18] RAOF, did you get that in lucid? [10:18] james_w, I'm good thanks [10:18] seb128: Yes, and yes. [10:19] RAOF, ok, I read a similar bug report yesterday so I was wondering [10:19] it's probably a different issue [10:19] It might be the same one; I only uploaded today. [10:19] oh ok [10:19] I didn't read emails from the night yet [10:19] Why does git suck so hard?!@ [10:24] hmmm, i've got no idea where epiphany is getting it's default search URL from :-/ [10:26] you can ask on irc.gnome.org #epiphany [10:26] they are nicely and reply to questions usually [10:27] seb128 - thanks, i will try on there [10:37] TheMuso, hey, do you know if there is any reason why onboard entries are not masked by default in lucid? [10:47] tseliot, hi [10:47] hi seb128 [10:47] tseliot, bug #553200 seems an annoying one [10:47] Launchpad bug 553200 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 "Mouse and keyboard stop working after selecting user" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553200 [10:47] let me check [10:47] tseliot, not sure if it's a known issue? [10:51] seb128: to be honest, I'm not really sure about what's happening. I can ask Nvidia [10:52] tseliot, ok, I just wanted to make sure you know about it since it seems to affect quite some users [10:53] tseliot, if you could ask for some details on the bug if extra infos would be useful or ask nvidia that would be nice [10:53] tseliot, just at least to let those users know that somebody is looking at the issue [10:54] seb128: thanks for bringing this to my attention. I think the nvidia-bug-report.log that one user attached should be enough but I'll let you know if upstream needs something more [10:54] tseliot, thanks! [10:54] and of course I'll deal with this bug report too ;) [10:54] thanks ;-) [10:55] fantastic, Xorg crashes when i switched to the guest session [10:55] chrisccoulson: with what driver? [10:56] tseliot, intel [10:56] ouch [10:57] did you get a backtrace in the log? [10:57] * hyperair wonders what happened to the flying toasters screensaver from ages back [10:57] tseliot - there's no trace, but there is this: [10:57] Failed to submit batchbuffer: Bad file descriptor [10:57] oh nevermind, it's still around [10:58] mpt, are you looking for more bluetooth stories? [10:59] chrisccoulson: I think "Failed to submit batchbuffer" is a known issue [11:00] andreasn, sure, reply to ayatana@ or the OMG Ubuntu discussion or the Ubuntu Forums thread, whichever's most convenient [11:00] all right [11:00] andreasn, what is you problem with blueooth? [11:01] baptistemm, none at all. It works great [11:01] tseliot, yeah, i think i recall that too [11:01] baptistemm, but mpt wanted feedback on what bluetooth devices people use and how they use the bluetooth panel menu [11:01] * tseliot nods [11:01] baptistemm, so I thought I might as well provide some data [11:02] I be interested to have a set of reliable people with various bluetooth devices that could give me feedback for each bluetooth upgrade [11:02] :) [11:03] I just own a phone and a audio gateway, so It's hard to test [11:03] I own a phone, a headset and a wacom tablet [11:04] ohwwwww [11:05] andreasn, what version are you running? [11:06] of ubuntu I meant [11:06] of ubuntu? the current stable one. The Koala? [11:06] okay [11:06] baptistemm, I can do bluetooth testing too [11:06] I've some devices [11:08] baptistemm, I would be more than happy to help you out [11:13] hmm, my X seesion crashed, nice [11:14] I guess something in the nvidia driver went wrong [11:14] seb128, okay I'll ping next time to provide feedback :) [11:16] seb128: No I don't, other than someone requested that they be shown. I would have to check the changelogs/bugs to be sure. [11:18] is Steve Kowalik comes here? he is administrator of ~bluetooth but seems he didn't response to membership approval request [11:24] ok, i'm officially confused about where epiphany is getting it's search URL from :-/ [11:24] asac - any ideas? [11:30] TheMuso, it's adding a category do you think we should keep those or comment them back as there were? [11:31] chrisccoulson, If I refer to an old epi bug, I would say embed/ephy-web-view.c [11:32] chrisccoulson, effective_url = g_strdup_printf (_("http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8"), url); [11:32] chrisccoulson, http://git.gnome.org/browse/epiphany/tree/embed/ephy-web-view.c#n2031 [11:33] baptistemm, thanks. the bit that confuses me is the URL ends up with a load of extra fields, and i don't know where they come from [11:33] eg, client=safari [11:34] libsoup? [11:35] chrisccoulson, ah it can be set in gconf too, there is a "url_search = eel_gconf_get_string (CONF_URL_SEARCH);" [11:35] yeah, i'm wondering if i can override it [11:35] one second [11:35] seb128: I think we need to have all a11y tools behaving the same in terms of visibility of icons in the menu. I'll have a look tomorrow, and change it if there wasn't a good reason given somewhere as to why they are visible. [11:35] TheMuso, ok thanks [11:36] baptistemm - ok, overriding it in gconf works. i'd still like to try and figure out where it's getting client=safari from though [11:37] you might want to follow up in #epiphany about that too [11:37] though some of the main hackers are not online right now [11:37] seb128 - yeah, i tried asking in there [11:38] if it's only a gconf key to set we might want to set it in a different source [11:38] ie ubuntu-artwork [11:38] so we can keep epiphany-webkit in sync [11:38] I think that's what we do now for the default webpage [11:38] yeah, possibly. i don't mind [11:44] seb128 - am i ok to just go ahead and upload ubuntu-artwork with the change? (i just checked, and we are setting the default homepage there too) [11:45] I think it's maintained by the artwork team in bzr so maybe let them know that you uploaded if you don't have write access there but yeah you can upload otherwise [11:50] seb128 - oh, i need to change epiphany anyway, as there is a bookmark URL in default-bookmarks.rdf that i need to change too [11:53] chrisccoulson, ok [11:55] ara, hey, I commented on your wikipage now [11:56] seb128, thanks! [11:56] np! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:01] seb128: hi.. could you do an update for humanity? lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release [12:02] vish, hi, ok, will do [12:02] seb128: thanks... [12:02] hopefully the last, if the design team doesnt change their minds again ;p [12:02] you're welcome [12:14] didrocks, still editing the wiki? your lock expired [12:14] didrocks, ie can I do my changes now? [12:14] seb128: sorry, I didn't release it, you can do your changes [12:14] thanks [12:15] seb128: I was thinking I had the time to finish it, but of course, had been sidetrack ;) [12:17] didrocks, I copied my changes so you can edit it again if needed ;-) [12:17] seb128: thanks :) [12:17] you're welcome [12:18] pitti, there? I would like to discuss updated your libproxy version [12:18] pitti, it's quite a late change and the update is non trivial but the version we have is year old, buggy and not used by lot of components [12:44] hi seb128 [12:44] seb128: (sorry, knee-deep in CD troubles) [12:44] seb128: "my" libproxy version? [12:45] seb128: in fact, it seems that the only rdepends is libsoup-gnome2.4-1? [12:45] pitti, our [12:45] pitti, right [12:45] this is used by a lot of packages, though === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [12:50] pitti, well lot of those don't use a soup_proxy though [12:50] pitti, and the new libproxy is in debian testing and fedora [12:50] pitti, upstream consider the lucid one so outdated and buggy that it can't be used [12:50] seb128: do we need it for somethign in particular? [12:51] pitti, telepathy crashes with ours, gwibber doesn't work [12:51] that seems like a good reason [12:51] pitti, telepathy-butterfly crashes when trying to use proxies with our version [12:51] and gwibber just don't work with proxy right now in lucid because it requires a newer version [12:52] seb128: do we have bugs about it? i. e. people we can ask to test a new version in lucid? [12:52] seb128: it seems okay to me to upgrade [12:52] pitti, not really, we don't turn those options on due to this [12:52] pitti, should I do the update in the ubuntu-desktop ppa? [12:52] ah [12:52] we can ask during the meeting today to have everybody to install the update [12:53] and upload to lucid tomorrow if nothing breaks? [12:53] seb128: does it change ABI/API? [12:53] no [12:53] seb128: I think upload it right away then [12:53] ok thanks [12:53] seb128: and perhaps put proxy-enabled telepathy/gwibber into desktop PPA and ask folks to test? [12:54] seems a good plan, will do that [12:54] I want to get the lib updated at least [12:54] will make easier to have things built on lucid which all proxy use [12:54] even if those changes don't land in lucid [12:54] it will make backports easier [12:54] right [12:54] we will just have to backport softwares [12:54] not system libraries [12:55] pitti, thanks [12:56] seb128: the problem is that it doesn't crash when it try to use proxy, it crash immediatly when trying to connect if python-libproxy is installed [12:57] staz, well, still a good reason to have that fixed no? ;-) [12:57] an even better reason to get it fixed I would say :) [12:57] staz, we just agreed on doing the update so it's all good [12:57] staz, right ;-) [12:57] cool [12:58] seb128, papyon update from yesterday fixed the telepathy-butterfly crashing bug at start of empathy [12:59] baptistemm, excellent! [12:59] baptistemm, thanks for testing [12:59] you're welcome [13:00] nice this bug doesn't bother me anymore : [13:00] :) [13:00] pitti, you don't know how the default dictionnary is defined by any chance? [13:01] seb128: uh, I'm sorry, no [13:02] pitti, that's ok, I figured I would ask in case ;-) french installations have english and french listed with english activated there [13:02] let's debug [13:02] pitti, did you notice bug #559894 btw? [13:02] Launchpad bug 559894 in empathy "German spellchecking does not work" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559894 [13:03] pedro_, hey [13:03] salut seb128 [13:05] baptistemm: you had the on_error bug? [13:05] seb128: hm, I seldomly write German text these days.. I can try [13:05] * pitti grabs some lunch first, though [13:06] pitti, enjoy! [13:11] ok, found the french default dictionnary issue + why French is not in the list [13:13] seb128: sweet! where is it defined? :) [13:13] didrocks, ls /usr/share/myspell/dicts [13:13] there is no fr_FR [13:14] didrocks, it uses the locale and look for a matching dictionnary there [13:14] oh, ok, hence the fact it reverts to default [13:16] yes, it doesn't find a matching one [13:17] so, hunspell-fr will get bigger (not sure it's on the CD) [13:17] no, not seeded [13:18] oh, it's just a symlink [13:18] didrocks, yes, they are installed in the huspell dir [13:18] hunspell [13:19] good catch :) [13:27] staz, on_error bug ? [13:28] baptistemm, the wiimote is a bluetooth device as well, right? I have one of those too. [13:28] baptistemm, the crash you were having, the stacktrace [13:29] andreasn, yep it is [13:29] seb128: have a problem with me uploading this gnome-settings-daemon CRTC fix? [13:29] andreasn, but I doubt you can do something useful with it :) [13:29] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/ubuntu/lucid/gnome-settings-daemon/CRTC-fix/+merge/22699 [13:30] baptistemm, there is a library to use it I think, I was able to use it as a remote control [13:30] james_w, no, quite the contrary, it's on my "list of things to look at before lucid" but the said list is a busy one so I welcome those who help there ;-) [13:30] james_w, thanks! [13:30] andreasn, ah nice [13:31] seb128: well, I'm just building to test it, so I'm happy to take care of it. I'm also subscribed to bugs so I'll look out for regression reports. [13:31] james_w, excellent, thank you [13:32] seb128: has he sent it upstream do you know? [13:32] baptistemm: your butterfly bug [13:33] ah, yes, but no review yet === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:57] pitti - would you mind processing another removal for me please? (bug 562263) [13:57] Launchpad bug 562263 in videolink "Please remove videolink source and binaries from Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562263 [14:00] chrisccoulson: should I blacklist it, or should we wait on Debian to get it fixed (and thus synced into maverick) or removed? (I'd recommend the latter for now) [14:01] pitti - i'd probably go for blacklisting it actually, as it's likely to be difficult to maintain in stable releases anyway [14:02] chrisccoulson: ok, will do; can't remove packages right now, some other archive admin is currently running lp-remove-package.py [14:02] presumably Riddell [14:02] pitti - ok, no worries. thanks [14:18] chrisccoulson: done [14:19] pitti - excellent, thanks [14:22] that's a nice thing to see when first joining the channel in the morning ;) [14:23] hi rickspencer3 [14:23] good morning chrisccoulson [14:23] hey rickspencer3 [14:23] hi didrocks [14:24] hey! robert_ancell fixed bug #532531 ? [14:24] Launchpad bug 532531 in gdm "No way to come back if fast user switcher is activated accidentally" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532531 [14:25] oh it's fixed? last time he told it was driving him mad [14:26] hey rickspencer3 [14:26] hi seb128 [14:26] * rickspencer3 cheers for robert_ancell [14:26] didrocks, he apparently defeated it though ;-) [14:27] robert_ancell rocks [14:27] when do we get it back? around UDS? [14:27] it -> him [14:27] doh ;-) [14:27] that really rocks :) [14:28] seb128, yes, for UDS [14:28] hey rickspencer3 [14:28] good afternoon pitti [14:28] rickspencer3, seb128: You'll kill me in a second, but I'm afraid I can't attend the meeting today :-( [14:29] pitti, why should I be angry at not having our tech lead cracking the whip on us? ;-) [14:29] pitti, what happened? working for OEM Services already? [14:29] :) [14:30] * seb128 still needs to collect blueprints people registered before meeting, just though about that now [14:30] rickspencer3: no, family desperately wanting to see us again before my wife moves to Munich and I disappear for three weeks (Munich/Belgium) [14:30] pitti, that sounds good [14:30] rickspencer3: I'll update DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus by the meeting; do you need anything else from me? [14:31] rickspencer3: I didn't prepare a BP list, since I won't be in the desktop team anyway [14:31] pitti, no, you should enjoy your family time while you have the chance [14:31] pitti, right, no blueprints from pitti [14:31] pitti, I was thinking about the work item tracker though [14:31] * pitti untargets desktop-maverick-getting-rid-of-gnome then [14:31] do we need to hand that off for Lucid? [14:31] hehe [14:31] I mean maverick [14:31] * pitti untargets desktop-maverick-getting-rid-of-gnome then [14:31] hehe [14:31] rickspencer3: I'm fine with keeping an eye on it [14:32] thanks pitti, I was hoping you would say that [14:32] rickspencer3: the bulk of the work was done during lucid [14:32] now it's just guiding people to set it up, etc. [14:32] pitti, but I'm a manager, of course I'll ask you for 1,000 "easy" changes [14:32] and then ask why you didn't your normal work done later [14:33] rickspencer3: I'll just have to convince Pat that they won't get ANYTHING done in OEM unless/until they start using the WI tracker [14:33] and then say "you should have worked smarter, not harder" [14:33] hehe [14:36] ok, udev upload take 2938432; /me crosses fingers that people stop complaining about broken CD handling now [14:39] kenvandine, hi [14:39] chad seemed pretty confident he had tackled the worst of those desktopcouch crashers [14:39] what do you think? [14:40] seb128, this crash: python2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_text_layout_get_line_display() [14:40] probably shouldn't put the bug report in the Python package but rather some gtk package, right? [14:41] rickspencer3, it's likely an app, pygtk or gtk bug yes [14:41] hmmm [14:41] hard to say without a testcase or a valgrind log [14:41] seb128, well, one of my apps crashed [14:41] pygtk tend to not be very pythonish and not raise exception as it should but crash on wrong use [14:41] shall I not log the bug and see if it happens again? [14:42] rickspencer3, log the bug in any case, I'm just saying that it's hard to know exactly where is the issue for those bugs from a stacktrace though, still a bug ;-) [14:42] rickspencer3, select pygtk to file it, it's a good default [14:42] k [14:42] rickspencer3, then we can try to figure if it's really pygtk to blame [15:02] rickspencer3, did you test his package? [15:02] kenvandine, no [15:03] I didn't have time, and it looked like a lot of feedback [15:03] rickspencer3, i hadn't been able to reproduce any of those crashers, so i am not a good test case [15:03] and then I read chad's email [15:03] it looked like he was planning to land two changes in Lucid last night [15:05] he didn't yet, but i hope today [15:41] hey seb128, how would you feel about bumping libproxy to 0.4.0? [15:41] kenvandine, not sure, they changed the soname and they claim they didn't break abi so I don't understand why [15:41] upstream recommended that, and i think that is what is needed to use proxies with https [15:41] I've commented on the launchpad wishlist about that [15:41] yeah, i asked that question and they didn't really answer it [15:41] ok [15:42] well I don't think we should take a soname change before lucid now if we don't know why they did it [15:42] i am pretty sure proxies on https doesn't work in 0.3.1 [15:42] i'll try to get more info [15:42] upstream often recommends to take the newest crack, it doesn't mean that's the best choice for us ;-) [15:42] agreed :) [15:42] you are welcome to do the 0.4 upgrade in a ppa for example to get it tested [15:43] just they said that is what we needed for proxies over https, which many people use [15:43] and if you try to figure why they changed the soname if they didn't break abi that would be nice [15:50] seb128, ok, he bumped soname because px_proxy_factory_get_proxies() can now return NULL [15:50] that doesn't seem to be an ABI change... [15:51] yeah, he was unsure so bumped it just in case [15:51] bah [15:51] ok [15:51] can you do the new version update and test it? [15:51]