| apw | RAOF_, was that another i915.powersave i saw you handing out? | 08:09 |
|---|---|---|
| apw | (on #ubuntu-devel ?) | 08:09 |
| RAOF | apw: Frustratingly slowly, yes. | 08:44 |
| apw | heh ... i did see some teeth being pulled | 08:44 |
| apw | RAOF, what was it on ... | 08:44 |
| RAOF | A 4 series card. Let me grab the bug. I'm pretty sure it'll be covered by our existing stuff. | 08:45 |
| * apw bounces | 08:45 | |
| RAOF | I can still get a nouveau noaccel quirk into the kernel, can't I? | 08:45 |
| RAOF | The final kernel upload is tomorrow morning? | 08:46 |
| RAOF | apw: Yeah, there it is. GM45. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/555503 | 08:50 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 555503 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "screen flickers at least once every few minutes" [Medium,Confirmed] | 08:50 |
| apw | RAOF, and that is already covered ... ? why didn't the user have it | 08:50 |
| RAOF | They were on the -19 kernel. Have we pushed the powersave quirk to the -20 kernel? | 08:52 |
| * apw actually has lost track after the kitten killer yesterday | 08:56 | |
| * apw checks | 08:56 | |
| RAOF | I can't see anything in the changelog. | 08:56 |
| apw | RAOF, no the change was to disable FBC for those sets not powersave | 08:57 |
| RAOF | Ah, right. | 08:58 |
| RAOF | bug #538648 is what I'm thinking of. | 08:58 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 538648 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[gm45] Irregular sync flashes with compiz on (Lenovo T500)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538648 | 08:58 |
| apw | the bug there does not have the upstream infor on powersave in it does it? | 09:01 |
| apw | hrm thats oddd, its longer now, much longer ... launchpad what are you up to? | 09:02 |
| apw | RAOF, so in short if they need powersave = 0 we arn't expecting to need to fix them | 09:03 |
| RAOF | Because the symptoms are insufficiently bad? | 09:04 |
| apw | RAOF, no simply because we are unaware the issues still exist and have no bugs open on linux (that i am aware of) to change it, and no patch out there for testing | 09:04 |
| RAOF | Ok. | 09:05 |
| apw | final freeze kernels close today ... so i don't know if we can get it in before release | 09:05 |
| apw | as its not stopping them booting it can easily be an SRU after release of course | 09:05 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 09:05 |
| apw | and indeed has a simple work around, which we could releasenote | 09:06 |
| RAOF | apw: Will the nouveau acceleration disabling patch make it into lucid? Are you waiting for anything from me for that? Splitting it into the components looks like an excelent idea. | 09:20 |
| RAOF | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-April/009884.html and its follow ups. | 09:20 |
| apw | RAOF, i already split it up and pushed it back for review. i hope it has all the required ack and | 09:21 |
| apw | am intending on merging it today ... for the final kernel | 09:21 |
| apw | its all a bit behind due to yesterdays thinkpad debackle | 09:21 |
| RAOF | Yeah, that was mad. | 09:21 |
| apw | we tend to get at least one a cycle ... its hard to avoid | 09:22 |
| apw | i am very glad it was this week and not next | 09:22 |
| RAOF | OOoooh, yes. | 09:22 |
| apw | and in part was why i pushed half the update last friday instead .. | 09:23 |
| RAOF | Can I add an extra quirk - bug #542950 would like GeForce 6100 cards (pciid 0242) quirked. | 09:23 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 542950 in linux "[Needs noaccel quirk] Screen corruption on startup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542950 | 09:23 |
| apw | RAOF, do we have a patch for that? | 09:30 |
| RAOF | We don't; I can generate one easily though. | 09:30 |
| apw | can you test the final patch ? | 09:31 |
| RAOF | I cannot. However, setting nouveau.noaccel=0 has been reported to work by multiple people. | 09:31 |
| apw | thats tricky ... after yesterday i am nuvous of breaking people ... get the patch out ... and we can look it over. i am sure it'll be 'ovvious' | 09:32 |
| apw | if you get it out i presume on top of the other one (that was nouveau right) | 09:32 |
| apw | then i can make a kernel and ask for testing ... and we can make a decision later today | 09:32 |
| RAOF | It'll be an extra patch on top of your existing 3 in the series. Is there an easy way to apply them on ubuntu-lucid? | 09:34 |
| apw | save them into a mailbox and git am the mailbox | 09:42 |
| * apw wonders if akgraner tested that kernel | 10:47 | |
| apw | i'd like to get that patch into the kernel and some testing feedback would help | 10:48 |
| zimbatm | hi there | 10:55 |
| apw | hi | 11:11 |
| jjohansen | apw: is it to late for include a driver in the initrd | 11:15 |
| jjohansen | Bug #530361 | 11:15 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 530361 in linux "Support for DELL H200/H700/H800 SAS cards is missing in the CD/DVD installer for Lucid (mpt2sas)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530361 | 11:15 |
| apw | jjohansen, you know just how late it is in the cycle! | 11:17 |
| apw | as its a CD driver for a dell server we might be able to do something | 11:17 |
| apw | as they are likely just hosed without it | 11:17 |
| apw | however, that is predicated on it being a simple fix | 11:17 |
| apw | if its 'whole replacement driver' its not going to make the release images imo | 11:17 |
| jjohansen | apw: yes, and I expect no but I just got the Q in my inbox and figured I'd ask | 11:18 |
| apw | looking at the bug i don't see anything other than 'its broken' so its hard to evaluate whether there is a possibility or not | 11:18 |
| apw | finally it may just be that the driver is not in the udebs | 11:19 |
| apw | jjohansen, do we have someone who has one who can answer some of these questions? | 11:19 |
| jjohansen | from the bug that we actually ship the driver its just not in the initrd | 11:19 |
| jjohansen | not that I know of but I'll poke and see | 11:20 |
| apw | it does appear that we have the driver building | 11:22 |
| apw | debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:CONFIG_SCSI_MPT2SAS=m | 11:22 |
| apw | obj-$(CONFIG_SCSI_MPT2SAS) += mpt2sas.o | 11:22 |
| apw | it appears to be called mpt2sas | 11:23 |
| apw | and we don't appear to put it in the installer stuff | 11:23 |
| jjohansen | yep, there are reports of using it to "fix" the problem, its just not in the initrd | 11:23 |
| jjohansen | right, or the installer | 11:23 |
| apw | so if that the only issue then it is fixable i'd say ... but why the hell can't people ask last week not this | 11:23 |
| apw | jjohansen, so who asked | 11:24 |
| jjohansen | ttx | 11:25 |
| apw | ttx should know better | 11:25 |
| apw | i even sent out an email last week saying the deadline was here | 11:25 |
| jjohansen | right, but everyone else is focused on a thursday deadline, so that gets forgotten | 11:26 |
| apw | the thurday deadline doesn't mean thursday for _anyone_ really | 11:28 |
| * apw needs more brown brain fuel | 11:28 | |
| mirsal | Hello there | 13:16 |
| apw | hello | 13:21 |
| mirsal | It's probably not the right place to ask for help but I'm trying to build NetworkManager from the upstream source tree and I'm having trouble with the wireless-tools | 13:30 |
| mirsal | http://pastebin.com/rmUedvqs | 13:30 |
| apw | mirsal, that normall implies there is a -dev package | 13:36 |
| apw | you probabally want to ask about that on #nm on this server | 13:36 |
| mirsal | apw, yeah, usually there is, but I can't find it | 13:37 |
| mirsal | apw, I just asked there. No reply so far :) | 13:37 |
| * apw swears ... that updated EC fix works for dells and doesn't break thinkpads ... but still breaks damn macs | 13:37 | |
| mirsal | (your last two words summarize an awful lot of issues) | 13:38 |
| JFo | apw, very odd | 13:39 |
| mirsal | apw, ah ! found it, thanks | 13:39 |
| mirsal | libiw-dev - Wireless tools - development files | 13:39 |
| mirsal | go figure ;x | 13:40 |
| apw | mirsal, 'so' obvious | 13:40 |
| mirsal | hmm, why I did not think about apt-get build-dep is another story... | 13:46 |
| abogani | smb: Hi Stefan! I'm wondering if you could sponsor me (for PPU right on linux-rt package https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlessioIgorBogani/linux-rtPPUApplication) adding your comments about Feisty-Gutsy-Hardy period... | 13:53 |
| smb | abogani, I guess I can, but you better mail me a reminder to look at it. I am currently at the airport and I'd rather do it with a bit more time later | 13:55 |
| abogani | smb: Of course, thanks! | 13:55 |
| achiang | hm, is there a way to get dev_dbg() statements in usb to display on console? | 15:34 |
| achiang | maybe just pass 'debug' on the kernel command line? | 15:35 |
| apw | achiang, do they not appear in dmesg output? | 15:36 |
| apw | if they are in there you probabally can get them on the console direct via loglevel, if i've understood | 15:37 |
| achiang | apw: haven't confirmed, i'm just doing some drive-by triaging on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bug/433438 | 15:37 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 433438 in linux "device descriptor read/64, error -110" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:37 |
| achiang | apw: in my 5 minutes of reading, that message is due to an urb timeout of some sort | 15:38 |
| achiang | so i was just going to suggest something that the bug reporters could do to get some more info before someone who's really on the kernel team can take a look | 15:38 |
| apw | soz can't be more authorative on that | 15:39 |
| achiang | "soz" ? | 15:41 |
| apw | short for sorry | 15:54 |
| achiang | heh, thanks | 15:54 |
| kaouthia | Hello all. Amitk suggested it would be a good idea to say hello to you all and introduce myself. My name is Lee Jones. I have recently accepted a role within Canonical as an Arm Kernel Engineer, with a view to start at the beginning of May. | 16:48 |
| ogra | kaouthia, awesome ! i see you are also in #ubuntu-arm already :) | 16:53 |
| kaouthia | Yes, and ubuntu-meeting (a bit too keen me thinks) ;) | 16:54 |
| kaouthia | I would like to pick your brains if I may. I have to purchase a laptop and I’m finding it difficult to choose. I would like something which compiles Kernels quickly and is going to last. Do any of you have any suggestions you’d like to make? I hear a lot of you like ThinkPads - anything in particular? | 16:58 |
| * ogra doesnt lkie thinkpads ... i tend to buy whitebox systems to be able to replace parts if they get outdated ... but then i'm not a kernel guy i just happen to hang around here to annoy apw for ARM stuff :) | 16:59 | |
| ogra | *like | 16:59 |
| achiang | kaouthia: building kernels quickly requires lots of cores and fast I/O, so something with Core i7 and an SSD would be good | 17:00 |
| apw | generally i don't build on my laptop, the disk is just too slow | 17:02 |
| achiang | your best bet is probably getting a fast desktop and a cheap laptop for travel, actually | 17:02 |
| apw | yeah i have a "desktop replacement" latop i use as my 'home machine' a 10" laptop for travel, and use remote machines for build generally | 17:02 |
| abogani | apw: distcc? | 17:03 |
| achiang | fast local CPUs + fast I/O + ccache generally outperforms distcc, at least in my experience | 17:03 |
| apw | abogani, nothing so sophisticated, just porters really | 17:04 |
| abogani | apw: right | 17:04 |
| abogani | achiang: Obviously ccache and distcc have different goals so I don't think that you can compare these. | 17:05 |
| apw | i am more of a ccache user myself | 17:05 |
| apw | not that i see a whole heap of difference to be fran | 17:06 |
| apw | frank | 17:06 |
| kaouthia | I already have a Sony laptop, which I really like, but I can't put Linux on it. It is the only Windows based machine in the house now. If I put Linux on it, the girlfriend will BSOD. | 17:09 |
| apw | kaouthia, heh this is the time of equal rights, she can buy her own windows laptop | 17:10 |
| kaouthia | That could be a cheap alt - I'll buy her a cheap laptop to surf the web and I'll have the Sony back - great suggestion! | 17:12 |
| apw | kaouthia, now you are thinking | 17:13 |
| apw | if you have a desktop and the sony u are likely sorted | 17:13 |
| apw | though i suspect none of your buttons will work ... you can fix that :) | 17:13 |
| kaouthia | Buttons? | 17:19 |
| apw | brightness up/down volume up/down eject, that sort of button | 17:19 |
| apw | hotkeys is prolly a better description | 17:19 |
| kaouthia | Couldn't possibly, it doesn't have an Arm Core ;) | 17:19 |
| ogra | nothing a hammer and soldering iron couldnt fix :) | 17:21 |
| kaouthia | What would you want to solder a hammer to? ;) | 17:22 |
| ogra | the old CPU to get it ripped out more easily :) | 17:22 |
| mjg59 | Hotkeys ought to work by default on all Sonys now | 17:23 |
| apw | mjg59, heh that'd be nice | 17:24 |
| kaouthia | Nothing a few extra volts and a cup of liquid nitrogen wouldn't fix | 17:24 |
| mjg59 | Support for the new-style systems went in a year ago | 17:25 |
| apw | mjg59, yeah i admit i've not heard any whining about them for a while :) | 17:28 |
| mjg59 | apw: The fun bit was writing it without any of the actual hardware | 17:29 |
| apw | qudos for that for sure | 17:29 |
| lamont | I used to be able to see my SD card (karmic, inspiron 1520). Now it's not there... wtf? | 18:39 |
| jjohansen | lamont: what kernel | 18:40 |
| lamont | 2.6.32-17-generic | 18:41 |
| lamont | though I guess I could reboot into -19 | 18:41 |
| jjohansen | lamont: -20 is the current kernel | 18:42 |
| lamont | meh | 18:43 |
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| smoser | jjohansen, or anyone, can i disable the function-f2 (disable wireless) button easily ? | 19:21 |
| jjohansen | smoser: depends | 19:21 |
| jjohansen | smoser: on some machines its a key press the kernel sees and triggers events, on others the kernel doesn't even see it | 19:22 |
| smoser | well this one sees it | 19:22 |
| smoser | it probably gets routed to gnome-power-manager, right ? | 19:23 |
| jjohansen | smoser: well does it see the keypress or just propagate an event after the fact | 19:24 |
| smoser | the event goes through and my wirelss drops | 19:24 |
| jjohansen | smoser: right, but there are a couple ways it can go through, and that will determine whether the kernel see it early enough to stop it | 19:26 |
| jjohansen | smoser: basic key debugging is start with xev, see it shows up there, then move to show keys and then acpi_listen | 19:28 |
| jjohansen | but it also could be handled by the ec | 19:28 |
| smoser | ok. i'll poke at it sometime | 19:30 |
| smoser | but thanks. i was hoping something easy. i keep accidently hitting it | 19:30 |
| anoteng | Anybody wanna take a look at Bug #183461, it's not fully triaged yet, but I think it should have importance high as it makes a default installation unusable for some users. This is a very old bug, and I think it could use a pair of kernel-eyes by now. | 19:38 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 183461 in opensuse "ksoftirqd/1 using 50% CPU or above" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183461 | 19:38 |
| mjg59 | anoteng: I think that's several dozen different bugs | 19:40 |
| anoteng | I was thinking the same to, should I make the reporters file separate bugs? | 19:42 |
| JFo | anoteng, there are several thousand old bugs that need a look. it is just not currently possible to look at them all | 19:46 |
| JFo | but yes, the reporter needs to file separate bugs | 19:46 |
| JFo | as much as it pains me to say it :) | 19:46 |
| JFo | I will put this one on my list for review | 19:47 |
| anoteng | thanks. I asked everybody to file their own bugs with apport-bug -p linux. | 19:53 |
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