[10:58] persia: do we have a meeting tonight? [10:58] * persia double-checks but thinks so [10:59] We're scheduled for one. [11:00] Now or plus an hour? [11:01] Now. [11:01] Awesome. [11:01] And didn't time there change minus? [11:01] persia, i'm not sure we've successfully had one since the UK changed, but correct me if i'm wrong [11:02] You may be right. [11:02] That said, since none of us are in the UK, I think we oughtn't care. [11:02] I'm just all thrown out with times as per the Humans Changing Crap thing that we do to make our own lives harder [11:02] * persia wonders if some nice soul has put up a DST map [11:03] Yes! We need to get more red on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png/370px-DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png [11:03] (these are all the places that have sensibly stopped using DST) [11:03] Ok, we're one short of quorum [11:05] Looking at our area, it seems EDT, CDT, NZST, and Chatham Island Time are the remaining offenders. [11:05] we're innocent here... [11:05] Those of you living there now or expecting to live there soon should complain to your governments and get them to stop the madness. [11:06] ajmitch: Sorry. The wikipedia map appears to be out of date. [11:06] * ajmitch storms parliament to redress this situation [11:06] Wait. Are you sure there's no NZDT or CHADT anymore? [11:07] there is, but it's ended for the next few months [11:07] Oh, because of winter? [11:07] yes [11:07] A perfect opportunity to make sure it never returns :) [11:07] it sounds like you don't like the idea of it :) [11:09] Not really. I like sun in the morning :) [11:11] * ajmitch wonders where the stray board members are [11:12] Two of them seem to be detached, and the other is "Away" [11:12] Oh, and the extra bonus folk never come anyway, so I don't even bother looking for them anymore. [11:13] that seems problematic [11:13] Yeah, well. We get to have elections soon. [11:14] wonderful [11:14] I'm not putting my name forward :) [11:14] Which means that we have a decent chance of not having folks who don't participate on the board. [11:14] Ae you sure? Do you have something better to do at midnight on Tuesday nights? [11:15] it's only about 10PM here at the moment [11:15] but I couldn't guarantee availability, so I wouldn't want to contribute to your quorum problems [11:19] I was thinking of end-of-meeting in the Summer, but yeah. [11:19] om26er: Many apologies, but I believe we're going to fail to reach quorum this evening. [11:19] (unless there's some kind soul from another board that wants to sit in) [11:20] * elky glances at popey [11:21] persia: I'm frequently up until past midnight anyway [11:21] * ajmitch is just filling in time finding some nasty problems on that rc bugs list [11:22] * ajmitch has seen themuso around this evening, isn't he on the board? [11:22] Yes. [11:23] he appears to currently be set /away [11:24] Right. [11:27] hmm? [11:28] quorumfiller, but I'm not sure om26er is responsive anyway [11:28] * om26er is [11:28] ooh, he is [11:28] happy to [11:28] lifeless: persia, still there? [11:30] :( [11:31] om26er, how about you introduce yourself and your contributions now, and if they reappear they can respond/query etc [11:32] My name is omer akram, I live in pakistan, I have been triaging bugs for ubuntu for a while [11:32] I work on empathy, gwibber and all indicators [11:32] send most of the empathy bugs upstream myself [11:33] I started with ubuntu-moblin-remix but that turned out to be a dead project then slowly moved to #ubuntu and then starting triaging [11:33] I am not a programmer, I only triage bug for ubuntu [11:34] I adopted empathy and gwibber in 'adopt-a-packge' [11:34] some nice testimonials there [11:36] om26er: You've come before us previously. What changed this time, or what brought you back? [11:37] persia, I was asked to come back with testimonials from the people I work with so this time I came with those [11:37] Makes perfect sense, and matches my memory of your application :) [11:37] * persia is well-familiar with om26er, and has no further questions. [11:38] om26er: what's your plan for MOTU? [11:38] or rather "what's your plan for joining MOTU and perhaps becoming one" [11:38] popey, I am learning packaging, I thought packagers were also in MOTU? [11:39] I can do basic but still not perfect [11:39] MOTU is but one of many development teams. [11:39] Don't worry, they'll give you plenty of practice [11:41] I asked kamusin to cheer for me but he had a different time [11:42] i have no more questions [11:43] Also I work very closely with upstream developers about their projects, often ask them at their IRC channels [11:44] elky: lifeless: ? [11:44] lifeless: are you still there? [11:45] i have no questions [11:46] morning. I'm in favor of om26er aplication [11:47] thanks BUGabundo_remote [11:49] ready to vote? [11:50] all but lifeless, he can catch up later unless we can find another RMB member somewhere [11:56] well, I'm about to leave for lunch, so if you need it my vote is +1 :) [11:56] based on excellent feedback and a clear contribution to a core set of apps. [11:56] +1 from me too [11:57] +1 from me too: great job on cleaning up the wiki page and making your contributions clear. [11:57] lifeless: So, say something :) [11:58] lifeless, in case you have tab-completion-specific highlighting enabled. [12:01] OK. Timeout. [12:01] lifeless, if you return, please vote and do minutes/announcements/team adds if you vote in favour. [12:02] om26er: Sorry about that. We'll get you sorted (either approved or deferred with clear comments) by the next meeting. === BUGabundo_remote is now known as BUGabundo_lunch === om26er_ is now known as om26er [12:05] * vish cheers for om26er :) [12:06] grats om26er [12:08] hi [12:08] back === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [12:09] clearly I wandered off at precisely the wrong time [12:09] Cool, you can still sneak in with a vote [12:11] +1 [12:11] persia: ^ [12:11] Excellent. Now go process the successful application :) [12:11] persia: however I'm going to beg off doing the follow up [12:11] om26er: Congratulations! [12:11] as I've got a head cold [12:11] and am -> bed right now [12:11] yeah [12:11] om26er: congratulations! [12:12] om26er, yaaaaaaaaay! [12:12] lifeless: It's particularly annoying that you have a good excuse. [12:12] vish, thanks alot [12:12] elky: Are you up for a while, or do you want me to do it? [12:12] lifeless, get well :) [12:12] om26er, hope that make you even better contributor :) [12:12] persia: they have me on two antibiotics simultaneously, for the fun of it or something. [12:12] gnight y'all [12:12] gnight [12:13] persia, thanks [12:13] Damascene: om26er has certainly been doing a *lot* of triaging , and certainly "addicted to Ubuntu" :) [12:13] persia, if you fight with launchpad, i'll do the mail [12:14] he was helping me with empathy bug report. and I knew he was very helpful [12:14] Sure. [12:14] elky: Done. [12:14] * om26er notes he got another testimonial on the wiki page :-) [12:15] om26er, pfft, like you need it now [12:15] * ziroday lets out the balloons for om26er [12:15] even if I [12:15] even if I'm a bit late to the parade === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [14:00] #startmeeting [14:00] Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander. [14:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100413 [14:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100413 [14:01] hi [14:01] hi [14:01] hey [14:01] moo [14:01] JamieBennett: ogra: StevenK: dyfet: GrueMaster: persia: ping [14:01] :) [14:01] mooo [14:01] i surely forgot someone [14:01] You forgot *heaps* of folk [14:01] you forgot plars [14:01] * GrueMaster drags a large coffee mug into the room. [14:01] and ian_brasil [14:01] and rbelem [14:02] and dmart :) [14:02] [topic] Action Items from April 6th, 2010 [14:02] New Topic: Action Items from April 6th, 2010 [14:02] hi [14:02] ;) [14:02] [topic] GrueMaster and plars to continue to keep working with crimsun on ARM PulseAudi [14:02] New Topic: GrueMaster and plars to continue to keep working with crimsun on ARM PulseAudi [14:02] Fixed. [14:02] \o/ [14:03] hi [14:03] [topic] asac to upload libplist with -marm [14:03] New Topic: asac to upload libplist with -marm [14:03] It turned out to be libspeex. I had thought the patch from NCommander had made it into the build, but upon digging deeper, I found it hadn't. [14:04] done [14:04] actually wasnt needed [14:04] good work NCommander and GrueMaster on that bug btw [14:04] it worked after replacing the builders with good hardware [14:04] ack ... thanks NCommander and GrueMaster [14:04] [topic] asac and dmart to get firefox rendering issue upstreamed [14:04] New Topic: asac and dmart to get firefox rendering issue upstreamed [14:04] No applause please, just buy us beer. :P [14:05] we upstreamed, but have no input so far [14:05] will do a debugging session with roc as a last resort [14:05] [topic] ericm, plars, NCommander to investigate uboot-mkimage breakage and offline dove installation [14:05] New Topic: ericm, plars, NCommander to investigate uboot-mkimage breakage and offline dove installation [14:05] ok [14:05] no progress from me, plars, anything for you? [14:05] no [14:06] whats broken ? [14:06] c/o [14:06] uboot-mkimage is totally generic [14:06] ogra: offline installation [14:06] ogra: but its unconfirmed if its broken [14:07] right, we need to check that first [14:07] but why is uboot-mkimage involved here ? [14:07] the package only contains a single file [14:07] Does someone have a bug link? [14:07] (the mkimage binary) [14:07] ogra: its installed by flash-kernel-installer into the squashfs [14:07] long story [14:07] on why its like that [14:08] * ogra could imagine flash-kernel being broken but still doesnt get why uboot-mkimage is at fault [14:08] ogra: because if it isn't on the CD, apt-get will try to download it from the wbe and cause offline installation to fail [14:09] well, then its either a seed or a dependency issue :) [14:09] [topic] NCommander and plars to work together to reinitialize plars's NAND flash on his X0 [14:09] New Topic: NCommander and plars to work together to reinitialize plars's NAND flash on his X0 [14:09] we didn't get to that this week [14:09] no progress [14:09] but it wasn't urgent at all [14:10] Which version of mtd-utils were you using? [14:10] and I know NCommander has been pretty swamped :) [14:10] no ericm so skipping his action item [14:10] persia: his board been throwing NAND errors in the kernel log, I was going ot have him reset it in u-boot [14:10] Oh. That can be done from the OS as well. [14:10] plars: Catch me later in the week if NCommander is busy, and I'll see if I can help. [14:11] ok [14:11] persia: there is some uniqueness on how NAND is done on Marvell which means I think it should be done in flash [14:11] er [14:11] in u-boot [14:11] OK. [14:11] [topic] NCommander to coordinate with lamont on determining if OOo build failure is HW specific [14:11] New Topic: NCommander to coordinate with lamont on determining if OOo build failure is HW specific [14:11] Happened, Didn't Help :-/ [14:11] [topic] persia and NCommander to test and improve server image experience [14:11] New Topic: persia and NCommander to test and improve server image experience [14:11] c/o unfortnately [14:11] No point. [14:12] [topic] Standing Items [14:12] We'll be in deep freeze by the next meeting. [14:12] New Topic: Standing Items [14:12] [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [14:12] New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [14:12] This is it folks [14:12] doesn't look too bad [14:12] nope [14:13] Skipping kernel status since no ericm or coolney [14:13] er [14:13] wait [14:13] hmm [14:13] and no amitk [14:13] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [14:13] i think workitems wise we are well set [14:13] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [14:13] i would have liked an update about the regulator issues oon imx51 [14:13] ogra: do we have the patch yet? [14:13] asac, since a week or so [14:13] e.g. the missing piece? [14:13] Beta 2 iso testing completed [14:13] ok [14:14] the new BSP went into the public GIT [14:14] ogra: as a SRU? [14:14] and is supposed to have the fix [14:14] I'll update the pairwise stuff [14:14] probably today [14:14] the beagle kernel looks quite sane now at least for the C4 [14:14] I'm finding a lot of bugs testing various apps. ~11 this last week. [14:14] also something we need to get on this week is upgrade testing [14:14] I plan to do upgrade testing on at least imx51 this week [14:15] we dont have hardy ;) ... so just karmic-lucid upgrades i guess [14:15] right [14:15] just karmic-lucid [14:15] do we acutally support the hardware we supported in karmic still? [14:15] yay [14:15] and we're not an LTS :) [14:15] ogra: that too :) [14:15] heh [14:15] asac, on babbage we did support b3 [14:15] i mean ... afaik karmic was armv6 ... now we are armv7. do we need to do something about that? [14:15] not on dove though [14:15] e.g. preventing upgrades? [14:16] there is code i added to u-m [14:16] asac: already have a sanity check in there as far as I know [14:16] ok [14:16] that might need an enhancement [14:16] ogra: ah, i was wondering who added that, thanks [14:16] NCommander: what does that santiy check do? [14:16] i guess we need to tweak/adjust that for karmic-lucid? [14:16] asac: checks for ARMv{6|7} on upgrade from jaunty-> karmic -> lucid [14:16] asac, checking for ARMv5 in cpuinfo [14:16] Don't remember if it was updated for ARMv7/Thumb2 [14:16] and blocks if you are v5 [14:16] so is that just working right now? i guess it needs some love? [14:16] who can take that actiuon? [14:17] it was only for nslu2 installs [14:17] * NCommander can't [14:17] * ogra would love to but wont have time [14:17] who added that ? [14:17] me [14:17] where is that check implemented? [14:17] update-manager [14:17] asac: UpdateManagerQuirks [14:17] right [14:17] ok ... [14:17] just look for ARM [14:17] dyfet: are you there? [14:17] its the only code adding that [14:17] dyfet: could you take the action to check if the update-manager tweaks are fine? [14:18] [action] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades [14:18] asac: if you change strings now people will get unhappy … [14:18] ACTION received: dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades [14:18] mvo: hmm [14:18] but the check is definitely there [14:18] mvo: what strings? [14:18] mvo, we'll only change the check [14:18] mvo: asac we can probably use the same error message [14:18] yeah [14:18] hopefully [14:18] its babbles about v5 though [14:18] ok, iirc it mentions the arm version [14:18] what does the current string read? [14:18] anynthing else on QA? [14:18] that's it from me [14:18] thanks [14:19] tomorrows beagle images should be testable, please test [14:19] yes! [14:19] GrueMaster: any bugs you want to discuss that came out of your tests? [14:19] with more focus on d-i than on live [14:19] or are those "general/low prio" bugs that dont need special attention? [14:19] live is very slow and not a fun thing to install [14:19] Like I mentioned earlier, I found 11 new bugs this last week. [14:19] and many thanks to ogra for plowing forward on the TI stuff and finding new things before they were really testable in the images [14:19] plars, i'm not done yet [14:19] Yesterday, I found a critical bug with f-spot. [14:20] ogra: heh, no doubt :) [14:20] and many thanks to plars for covering me while i was at a customer :) [14:20] GrueMaster: are these all looking to be arm specific? [14:20] Yes [14:20] f-spot ? [14:20] what broke ? [14:20] GrueMaster: I have seen the f-spot one, but I don't think I've noticed subscriptions on the others, do you have a list? [14:20] Bug 561874 [14:20] Launchpad bug 561874 in f-spot "NULL Reference exception in F-Spot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561874 [14:20] I'm working on a list. [14:21] GrueMaster: ok thanks. [14:21] * ogra hasnt seen any of them in his bugmail [14:21] [ACTION] gruemaster to assemble list of bugs that might need attention still ;)a [14:21] I also sent a list early last week to ogra and asac of bugs that needed attention. [14:21] GrueMaster: right. that was great [14:21] GrueMaster, are they all subscribed to ubuntu-armel ? [14:21] just thought if there is anything new/else ;) [14:21] I'm working on making sure they are subscribed. [14:22] * ogra wonders why they didnt end up in his bugmail folder [14:22] ah [14:22] ok [14:22] asac: There are a lot of new bugs. Will email later today. [14:22] GrueMaster: ok. maybe we can send that list to ubuntu-mobile? [14:22] l.u.c? [14:22] i can take a quick look before sending there if you want me to filter [14:23] moving on? [14:23] [topic] # [14:23] New Topic: # [14:23] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [14:23] uh [14:23] [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [14:23] New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [14:23] hehe [14:23] webservice-office-zoho is in the images and seems to work (apart from a last minute hiccup late yesterday that is now fixed), webmail integration has had its MIR approved ready for inclusion. Not much else to report. [14:24] the .desktop file should really get a StartupNotify=Ture [14:24] *True [14:24] ogra: I can do that today if we really need it [14:24] its a bit irritating that you dont get any notification [14:25] i just get dumped back to the favorites page [14:25] at least on beagle [14:25] desktop-webmail is in archive and will get on image tomorrow ;) [14:25] asac, is there any progress on the scrollbar issue ? [14:25] ogra: OK, I'll add that and kick asac to reupload it later :) [14:25] with that we are fine and happy [14:25] it shows up quite heavily in the weboffice stuff [14:25] ogra: i commented that above, didnt i? [14:25] * ogra missed it [14:26] ogra: so the stuff is upstreamed. but not much traction [14:26] meh [14:26] ogra: i will go and debug this with "roc" ... who offered [14:26] his help [14:26] ah, that was that, yeah, i saw that passing by :) [14:26] sorry for not paying enough attention [14:26] roc is the layout superguru on mozilla ;) [14:26] * ogra trioes to do 7 things at once [14:26] hehe [14:26] no problem [14:26] so yeah. i really hope i get a lead on that [14:27] i see that its annoying [14:27] especially if we promote weboffice ... its quite prominent in the docs [14:28] ok [14:28] *nods* [14:28] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [14:28] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [14:28] OOo is broken again, I think we just need to upload -marm and hope for the best [14:28] theres not enough time to properly test any fix before final freeze [14:29] what happened to gphoto ? [14:29] i saw it vanished from the list, did someone actually fix it ? [14:29] ogra: libgphoto? [14:29] DIdn't didrocks say it wasn't in shape for lucid? [14:29] I hit retry onit, but didn't follow up on it [14:30] NCommander, ah [14:30] so i probably looked when it was building [14:30] its timing out [14:30] i gave back gphoto [14:30] i dont think it succeeded [14:30] i didnt find any example code to get around it, else i would have fixed it yesterday [14:30] ogra: whats the problem? [14:30] asac, iot needs some pinger mechanism to keep the shell active [14:31] the buildd times out if there is no output for 150min [14:31] ogra: hmm. you say the logg pipe times out? [14:31] interesting [14:31] and 150min is normal here? [14:31] ogra: that needs lamont to change the sbuild time out [14:31] that feels too long even on arm ;) [14:31] i know we have other packages that added something to debian/rules to generate some noise every 60min [14:31] asac: 150m is default [14:31] ogra: it builds locally? [14:31] We havea script that keeps builds active, but it can mean builds running for weeks if they really hang. [14:31] well. i mean: a package that doesnt spit out stuff for 150min is not broken? feels like there is a bug [14:31] NCommander, no, that should be fixed in the package and we have other packages that use a hack [14:32] asac, no, there are plenty packages that build -dbg packages with lzma which is very slow on arm [14:32] ogra: having the script make noise is a bad idea [14:32] ogra: too easy to hang in inifinite loop [14:32] we had that issue wtih sparc a lot [14:32] NCommander, thats what others have done [14:33] the right method is to extend the delay [14:33] and what we promoted during karmic iirc [14:33] ogra: thats what you done, I've had lamont fix the ones I found [14:33] i havent done anything [14:33] NCommander, can you take care then for gphoto ? [14:33] ogra: the right solution is to extend the timeout in the prename place for it in the build system, not hack up makefiles and deviate from debian [14:33] ogra: if I have time OOo is my priority [14:34] NCommander, well, its a give-.back and can happen after final freeze [14:34] fair enough [14:34] I'll look at it when I'm done with OOo [14:34] you just seem to know a proper solution :) [14:34] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) [14:34] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) [14:34] did you talk to the likewise guys ? [14:34] so they apply the patch properly ? [14:35] ogra: no, I haven't finished refixing the patch inbetween OOo builds [14:35]