[00:35] <debfx> JontheEchidna: could you please have a look at bug #562240 ?
[00:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: qt4-x11 does take ~26 hours on armel.  So from the time the new i386 binaries are built and published to the time the same happens on armel, you basically can't build Qt using packages on armel, they FTBFS due to archive skew.  Of course it's easy enough to retry ...
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> debfx: waah! thanks for the heads up.
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> I did all my testing on the regular ftp:/ ioslave
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> but I guess the sftp:/ one needed testing too. oh well.
[01:21] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100414002148-leu4btfy6g3iux9x * debian/changelog Rebuild for sneaky libssh ABI breakage. The ftp:/ ioslave worked, but the sftp:/ ioslave didn't...
[01:59] <ScottK> Ugh. network-manager-openvpn-gnome, network-manager-vpnc-gnome, and a stack of Gnome crap to follow.
[01:59] <ScottK> Tonio_: What have you done to me?
[02:05] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[02:23] <Tonio_> ScottK: hu ? I splitted so that this doesn't happen
[02:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: you might have a package that depends on those, but I don't any reason why you get this
[02:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: except if you install all suggested packages by default :)
[02:24] <Tonio_> bed time, we can discuss this tomorrow
[02:24] <ScottK> Tonio_: i   network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-kde
[02:25] <ScottK> When you replaced network-manager-kde with the widget, you didn't fix up the recommends
[02:25] <ScottK> etwork-manager-openvpn Recommends network-manager-openvpn-gnome | network-manager-kde
[02:25] <ScottK> n....
[02:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: No akonadi failure bitching after reboot this time.  Thank you.
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Okay, I'm back now
[04:17] <nixternal> anyone have connections for computer hardware? I need new puters and the insurance company is going to give me $200 for the computers destroyed in the storm
[04:18] <nixternal> i won't be able to buy anything anytime soon, but something i will definitely need to do in the near future
[04:18] <nixternal> no way i can dev on an amd athlon from 1999 (which is my communications server, ie. irssi, mutt and such), or my PPC box, or my dell mini 10v
[04:35] <txwikinger> nixternal: look for companies getting rid of their old computers
[04:36] <txwikinger> Usually they are still pretty good, and you might get them for free
[04:36] <nixternal> yeah, not here you won't find stuff like that
[04:36] <nixternal> companies usually lease their computers here
[04:36] <txwikinger> well.. the company leasing them out doesn't want them back
[04:37] <nixternal> dell does :)
[04:37]  * txwikinger knows why he never gets anything from Dell
[04:37] <nixternal> i checked with my mom's company, but they return all of their computers
[04:38] <nixternal> and the ones they just returned, ran windows 2000, so they are probably as old as my machine here
[04:38] <nixternal> i need something that will build kde trunk and packages
[04:38]  * txwikinger doesn't have anything good either
[04:38] <nixternal> otherwise I am done for a while
[04:39] <nixternal> i had a nice cheap quad core, but it was smashed flat
[04:39] <nixternal> i think i paid $300 for the quad core, 4gb of ram, 250gb sata drive, and a 19" lcd
[04:39] <nixternal> i just don't have that money to spend right now
[04:39] <txwikinger> that's very good
[05:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I see you're putting that core-dev right to work.  Great.
[06:04] <ScottK> Unreleased changes for -workspace in bzr for anyone to add to ...
[06:16] <debfx> JontheEchidna: remmina (the only other package build-depending on libssh-dev) probably needs to to be rebuilt too
[08:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your sig pic on forum.kde needs updating
[08:31] <apachelogger> that said, the kubuntu and ubutnu icons do too
[08:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: <3 how you showed off them bashers in the keeping 3.5 alive thread
[08:37] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cappuccino for Nightrose
[08:37]  * kubotu slides cappuccino down the bar to Nightrose
[08:37] <Nightrose> \o/
[08:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: a wonderufl good morning
[08:38] <Nightrose> to you too
[08:38]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose and kubotu
[08:38] <Nightrose> awww
[08:38] <Nightrose> *hug*
[08:50] <jussi01> good morning all!
[08:51] <jussi01> apachelogger: Nightrose, are you headed to UDS at all?
[08:51] <Nightrose> nope - too busy atm and a few other conferences on the plate :(
[08:52] <apachelogger> jussi01: no, I am heading to the supermarket ^^
[08:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: IIRC there is a math exam in the week of UDS , so unfortunately I cant go
[08:53] <apachelogger> (again)
[08:54] <jussi01> :(
[08:55] <jussi01> SO which kubuntuites are going then? (apart from the bleeding obvious)
[09:42] <Sput> apachelogger: core restart coming up
[09:43] <apachelogger> oh noes
[09:43] <Sput> gonna be quick
[09:43]  * apachelogger braces
[09:43] <Sput> I need to test the release :)
[09:46] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:46] <apachelogger> Sput: thx :)
[09:48] <Sput> apachelogger: looks like it worked :)
[09:52] <apachelogger> Sput: I always think that before we release a new kubuntu version, then it turns out that it is utterly broken and I am *sigh* :P
[09:53] <Sput> apachelogger: yeah, I'm slightly nervous because I touched a lot of code within the last 24 hours, and tagging of the final is.. pretty much now
[09:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:54] <Sput> Name[fi]=Yksityisviesti
[09:54] <apachelogger> agateau: isnt bug 562856 a duplicate of another bug I dont seem to have in my inbox?
[09:54] <Sput> what a fun language, this finnish
[09:54]  * Sput notes that the 0.6 release will be much better in the translations department than 0.5
[09:54] <apachelogger> Sput: the best part ist hat you would actually pronnounce it just like that ^^
[09:56] <agateau> apachelogger: it's not a duplicate, it's a result of the dumbed-down implementation of StatusNotifierItem on GNOME
[09:56] <agateau> apachelogger: no tooltips => no cover art
[09:56] <agateau> apachelogger: no left click / right click => no minimize / maximize
[09:56] <agateau> (actually I like this last decision)
[09:57] <agateau> apachelogger: nothing we can do about that I am afraid :/
[09:57] <agateau> apachelogger: but it's GNOME specific, the icon behaves correctly on KDE
[09:57] <apachelogger> hm, soudns like the gnome way of doing things ... take a sane approach, remove everything sane and leave a usibility certificate behind ;)
[09:57] <agateau> :D
[09:58]  * apachelogger actually is  a supporter of the one-button usage paradigm
[09:58] <agateau> yes, but "no tooltip" is a stupid decision imo
[09:58] <apachelogger> a computer should be usable with just ... the power switch
[09:58] <agateau> the reasoning was that waiting for tooltips is painful
[09:59] <apachelogger> turn on - computer does something - turn off to stop it from doing something
[09:59] <agateau> so instead of fixing them (like KDE does) they removed them :/
[09:59] <agateau> :)
[09:59] <apachelogger> agateau: removing seems like a much more efficient solution though
[10:00] <agateau> apachelogger: in terms of developer cost, probably
[10:00] <apachelogger> less code == less maintenance == less work == less people you need to pay to hold everything together
[10:00] <apachelogger> because it's not like anyone would really want to do C programming with GTK+ in their spare time ;)
[10:00]  * apachelogger personally finds GTKified C rather ugly
[10:01]  * agateau agrees
[10:01] <agateau> and it's not like I haven't done my share of GLib code this cycle
[10:01] <apachelogger> awww
[10:01]  * apachelogger hugs agateau and hands him a cookie :)
[10:02] <agateau> mmm... cookies :)
[10:04]  * apachelogger almost bought a packet of them delicoius choclate crips cookies, but fortunately rememberd that such a packet is worth a day's energy consumption ^^
[10:05] <agateau> You know I am always here to help when cookies are involved
[10:05] <apachelogger> :D
[10:10] <apachelogger> "Kubuntu greatly needs a divx player for online movies" anyone knows what that is?
[10:15] <apachelogger> rgreening_: I doubt ubuntu will use your application.mneu
[10:16] <apachelogger> rgreening_: re brainstorm that is
[10:18] <Sput> ah yeah. the wonders of gnome "usability"
[10:18] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:18]  * Sput wonders if they have anyone who has actually learned the matter professionally, like seele
[10:19] <agateau> I wouldn't be so arsh. There are quite a few things in gnome which kde could learn from
[10:19] <Sput> she pretty much comes up with research papers when such issues are decided, whereas the gnome/ubuntu side generally comes up with "but we know best, and don't argue with designers"
[10:19] <Sput> agateau: stress is on "a few", right?
[10:20] <agateau> :)
[10:22]  * apachelogger clones empathy ^^
[10:22] <apachelogger> is it me or is git.gnome just slow
[10:32]  * Riddell does the one day to freeze dance
[10:56] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck, jjesse: as I see it the gnome doc utils can parse mallard to html, which is exactly what you need to use it in KHC, so if you figure out how to construct the build magic for that there shouldnt be any problem regarding usage of mallard for kubuntu-docs
[11:16] <agateau> Riddell: it seems kmail ksni patch is gone :/
[11:16] <Riddell> oh?
[11:17] <agateau> Riddell: I haven't checked the source package yet, but at least I get the wrong icon here
[11:18] <Riddell> does seem to not be there
[11:18] <agateau> Riddell: yes, just checked the source package
[11:18] <agateau> or rather, no, it's not there
[11:18] <Riddell> where can I find it?
[11:18] <agateau> mmm
[11:18]  * agateau checks his people page
[11:19] <agateau> fail
[11:19] <agateau> I can mail it back to you
[11:21] <agateau> Riddell: sent
[11:25] <harrison> Hi I just installed 10.04 a few days ago on my laptop, but apart from filling out the feedback widget I haven't done anything else. What can I do to help?
[11:26] <Riddell> agateau: don't see it
[11:26] <jussi01> harrison: report bugs hwerever you see them. if something is broken, we want to know.
[11:26] <jussi01> !bug | harrison
[11:26] <Riddell> harrison: we'll be needed ISO testers for the next couple of weeks
[11:27] <agateau> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/kmail-ksni.diff
[11:28] <Riddell> agateau: there's nothing in the changelog about this patch, I wonder if it was ever applied
[11:29] <agateau> Riddell: I need to improve my tracking skills then :/
[11:29] <harrison> So report any bugs I find in the beta 2, then test the next ISO's and report/confirm any bugs I find ?
[11:31] <Riddell> harrison: if you're able now it would be good if you could download today's daily-live CD and check for bug 538505
[11:32] <Riddell> agateau: what's the status of that patch with upstream?
[11:32] <agateau> Riddell: merged
[11:32] <agateau> Riddell: but kmail trunk is a quite different beast
[11:34] <agateau> Riddell: maybe it's time for me to learn how to integrate my patches into kubuntu bzr repositories
[11:35] <harrison> Riddell: I'll start downloading the ISO now
[11:35] <Riddell> harrison: great
[11:38] <Riddell> agateau: it would still need a kubuntu-members to merge in and a kubuntu-dev to upload, and having an extra person to make sure it actually works is no bad thing
[11:38] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[11:40] <harrison> Oh, I had another question. I know a reasonable amount of python and c++ , is there a wiki or page that someone can point me to that will show me how I can help?
[11:41] <Riddell> harrison: hanging around on this channel is a good start :)
[11:41] <Riddell> harrison: we have a todo list https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[11:42] <Riddell> harrison: we're at the end of the cycle currently so less coding needed and more bugfixing and verification
[11:43] <apachelogger> and cookie munching
[11:43] <Tm_T> good bug finding and reporting always helps
[11:43]  * apachelogger hands out cookies
[11:46] <harrison> Riddell: Ah ok ^_^ well I'll start with the bug reporting/confirming and hopefully you'll see me in here more often after the main release. Thanks for all the help, Riddell and jussi
[11:47] <jussi> :)
[12:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please look at my proposed fix for a quassel bug and tell me if it is a) a reasonable way to solve the problem and b) if I did it right (I'm very tired and probably not thinking well): http://paste.debian.net/68804/
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> whee @ bug 562770
[12:20]  * ScottK naps
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: ^^
[12:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am wondering why to implement a new package for that and not just add the link to the existing data package?
[12:28] <JontheEchidna> be back later today
[12:28] <apachelogger> on that remark... the linking as implemented is pointless since it links from quassel-data to quassel-data which makes quassel-data-qt4 empty altogether
[12:28] <apachelogger> + I would carry out the link via a .links file
[12:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: I guess it doesn't hurt there, just seemed better not to ship a pointless symlink.
[12:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: dh_links won't link directories
[12:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am quite sure it does
[12:29] <apachelogger> IIRC kubuntu-default-settings links a directory
[12:29] <apachelogger> for the oxygen emoticons
[12:29] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[12:30] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/bzr/kubuntu-default-settings$ cat debian/kubuntu-default-settings.links
[12:30] <apachelogger> usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/emotes/ usr/share/emoticons/Oxygen
[12:30] <apachelogger> ah
[12:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think you need to create the parent directories via .dirs
[12:30] <ScottK> looking
[12:31] <apachelogger> yeah, kds got a fancy dirs file creating usr/share/emoticons
[12:31] <apachelogger> and is missing a \n ^^
[12:31] <apachelogger> *fix*
[12:32] <CIA-6> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414113231-zewkka2faq8koky9 * debian/ (changelog kubuntu-default-settings.dirs) Add final newline to kubunt-default-settings.dirs
[12:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any chance you'd have time to fix this up?
[12:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: is it in bzr?
[12:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: All but that last bit that's in the pastebin
[12:33]  * ScottK has no bzr setup on any box that's immediately handy
[12:33] <apachelogger> I can take a look at it
[12:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: Release tarball is at http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-0.6.0.tar.bz2
[12:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:34] <ScottK> me resumes napping
[12:34] <apachelogger> hm
[12:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: not using source format 3?
[12:34] <apachelogger> care if I switch?
[12:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  I need to backport
[12:34] <apachelogger> ah
[12:34] <apachelogger> k
[12:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: I do care
[12:35] <ScottK> Thanks
[12:36] <Sput> ah. a packaging bug.
[12:36]  * Sput was getting nervous there
[12:36] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:36] <Sput> actually, it's amazing that I haven't been bombed by all sorts of problems and crashes an hour after tagging yet
[12:37] <apachelogger> Sput: I could send you an ecard with a bliking pony unicorn if you feel like it
[12:39]  * apachelogger is playing linker ... muhahaha ^^
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[12:42] <Riddell> yo apachelogger
[12:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about enforcing http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics in the c++ codestyle?
[12:42]  * apachelogger finds that KUIT stuff very sensible
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: by enforcement I mean ... in our applicatoins use whenever possible and when changing an old string, change it to KUIT
[12:44] <Riddell> yeah, seems fine
[12:45] <apachelogger> cool, I'll add it to the spec and see what theechdnia thinks then :)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: checking the knetworkmanager bug
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I have no choice for that, since I activated the kded service for networkmanager, the desktop file has to come with the plasmoid...
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact the issue was in the previous packaging from a technical perspective
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: so here is my question : cause the problem only happens between 2 dev releases, should I include the conflicts/replaces thing in it or should we just consider people who play with the dev release should be able to sort out this ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: karmic -> lucid transition should be fine afaik
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: you decide what is best, I'll do it
[12:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: how about this people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/cue.png ?
[12:51] <Riddell> matches our boot splash
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: imho, well what is important is the stable -> stable dist-upgrade
[12:51] <apachelogger> uhhh
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: that could work
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes it needs the replaces, lots of people install betas
[12:51] <apachelogger> looks pretty slick actually
[12:52] <Tonio_> hum right
[13:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[13:02] <ScottK> Tonio_: Please fix the nm recommends we discussed last night.
[13:03] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum dunno what to fix on that point lemme check
[13:03] <Tonio_> ScottK: oh only suggest and not recommends the vpn plugins ?
[13:03] <Tonio_> right
[13:04] <ScottK> Tonio_: No, have them recommend the widget instead of the systray app
[13:04] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum I don't get why in fact...
[13:05] <Tonio_> ScottK: either for the widget or the systray app, they should only suggest it
[13:05] <ScottK> Tonio_: Currently network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-kde
[13:06] <ScottK> If you leave it that way and we only provide the widget, the Gnome thing gets pulled in
[13:06] <Tonio_> right
[13:06] <Tonio_> well technically it should recommend network-manager-vpnc-kde
[13:07] <ScottK> Network-manager-openvpn needs fixing too
[13:07] <Tonio_> yeah they all need fixing
[13:07] <ScottK> Tonio_: Can you take care of that?
[13:07] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure, although I'm not sure what you want exactly
[13:07] <Tonio_> there are 2 things...
[13:07] <Tonio_> 1/ fix the network-manager packages
[13:08] <Tonio_> 2/ fix knm-runtime which recommends the vpn plugins
[13:08] <Tonio_> Recommends: kwalletmanager, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-openvpn, network-manager-pptp,
[13:08] <Tonio_>  network-manager-kde | plasma-widget-networkmanager
[13:08] <Tonio_> ScottK: I think it should not recommend, bug suggest
[13:08] <ScottK> I want the Gnome stuff not pulled into a standard KDE install.  It's also good to continue to provide the vpn/vpnc stuff too.
[13:09] <ScottK> I think it's OK to recommend, just the NM plugins need their recommends updated to be the widget instead of KNM
[13:09] <ScottK> I'll leave it to what you  think best though.
[13:10] <Tonio_> ScottK: as I said I disagree :)
[13:10] <ScottK> OK.
[13:10] <Tonio_> ScottK: the NM plugins need to recommend the kde equivalent package to network-manager-vpnc-gnome
[13:10] <Tonio_> which is now network-manager-vpnc-kde :)
[13:10] <ScottK> The main thing is with the switch to the widget we suddenly started pulling Gnome stuff in
[13:10] <Tonio_> that makes a lot more sense imho
[13:10] <ScottK> OK
[13:10] <ScottK> So that's what needs fixing, how, I defer to you.
[13:11] <Tonio_> kk
[13:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: it seems to me that if you install a package A that depends on a package which recommends B | A
[13:15] <Tonio_> then you won't get B installed right ? that would fix your problem I guess
[13:16] <Tonio_> install network-manager-vpnc-kde which depends network-manager-vpnc which recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-vpnc-kde
[13:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: Yes, but the key thing, IMO, is the plugin recommends are obsolete now.
[13:16]  * apachelogger drinks cold coffee
[13:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: I agree
[13:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: you install either network-manager-openvpn-gnome|kde
[13:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: otherwise you would favor gnome and anyone installing network-manager-vpnc will end up with gnome stuff...
[13:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: Changing network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-kde to recommend the widget solves the problem I'm worried about.  There may be other solutions too
[13:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: also I suspect changing this won't be easy :)
[13:17] <ScottK> Since we seed the widget, it works out if one does it this way
[13:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: it fixes your problem, but the problem will appear with people using the widget like me :)
[13:17] <ScottK> network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[13:18]  * apachelogger grabs a microphone, walks over to Nightrose and sings "total eclipse of the heart" with her
[13:18] <ScottK> Tonio_: Now everyone uses the widget
[13:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: I agree, but the day we switch, same problem again :)
[13:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: I mean, I splitted the packaging in order to have the same -kde packages network-manager has -gnome packages for
[13:19] <Tonio_> so I prefer to try to fix thatway
[13:19]  * ScottK goes back to letting Tonio_ fix it.
[13:19] <Tonio_> in case I fail, I'll go with your option, is that oki for you ?
[13:19] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[13:19] <ScottK> Yes
[13:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: just if you install manually network-manager-vpnc you'll end up with gnome stuff anyway
[13:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: but the gnome crew won't give a sh*t, I'm used to that :)
[13:20] <Tonio_> I think I have to ping asac on that point
[13:21]  * apachelogger will never sponsor an upload for lex again
[13:21] <apachelogger> way too much a headache afterwards
[13:21] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what is a headache ?
[13:21] <apachelogger> bug 554069 is
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: you are aware that quassel is rpath'd?
[13:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't recall what I'm aware of about that.
[13:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: E: quassel: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/quassel /usr/lib
[13:28] <apachelogger> cmake defaults to rpathing
[13:28] <Riddell> neversfelde: where can I find digikam 1.2?
[13:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Didn't Riddell make some change in pkg-kde-tools so all our packages have that?
[13:28] <apachelogger> ah
[13:28] <apachelogger> true
[13:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's with that anyway?
[13:29] <apachelogger> why do our packages get rpath'd again?
[13:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2010-04-14 14:13 ./usr/share/apps/quassel -> ../kde4/apps/quassel
[13:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: shall I upload?
[13:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  My test build built all the upstream stuff fine.
[13:30] <ScottK> Please do
[13:31] <apachelogger> oh oh
[13:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: E: quassel-core: init.d-script-missing-dependency-on-remote_fs /etc/init.d/quasselcore: required-start
[13:31] <apachelogger> E: quassel-core: init.d-script-missing-dependency-on-remote_fs /etc/init.d/quasselcore: required-stop
[13:31] <apachelogger> did you look into those?
[13:31] <apachelogger> + I think we should convert to upstart for maverick
[13:31] <Riddell> /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/kde4_flags:-DCMAKE_SKIP_RPATH:BOOL=OFF
[13:31] <Riddell> likely that
[13:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: did we set that to off?
[13:32] <Sput> apachelogger: do we do something wrong with rpath in Quassel? I recall having worked with distro maintainers a *long* time ago to get it all right
[13:32] <Sput> (and stop Gentoo's portage from screaming QA warnings all over the place)
[13:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't remember that one
[13:32] <apachelogger> Sput: yeah, you worked with me on that too :P
[13:32] <Sput> apachelogger: so is it working right now or not?
[13:32] <apachelogger> Sput: but in general it should be controllable via cmake now
[13:33] <apachelogger> Sput: we have our cmake configured to rpath, for whatever reason there is
[13:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe it is new, makes sense though
[13:33] <apachelogger> although I do not think that many people have /usr on a remote share
[13:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: no Debian also has it
[13:34] <Sput> apachelogger: well, if we need to change something, let me know.
[13:34] <Riddell> I've no objection to rpath anyway, I've never seen any problem with it
[13:35] <apachelogger> Sput: sure, thanks :)
[13:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the only reason against rpath is that you cant move stuff around or something, and that it can break if it points at some libc dir and that gets changed for new libc version or something
[13:37] <apachelogger> then again new libc pretty much means recompile the whole archive anyway I guess
[13:37] <amichair> hey guys, how goes?
[13:38] <apachelogger> yo amichair
[13:38] <apachelogger> the description of bug 562991 is my best one so far
[13:39] <apachelogger> better than the title of kubuntu logo in kickoff is stupid and ugly ^^
[13:40] <apachelogger> W: quassel-client: unusual-interpreter ./usr/share/applications/kde4/quasselclient.desktop #!xdg-open
[13:40] <apachelogger> oh dear
[13:40] <apachelogger> Sput: ^
[13:40] <amichair> apachelogger: nice feedback graphs! (dunno what they say yet, but graphs be niiiice!)
[13:40] <apachelogger> Sput: what is the point of that?
[13:41] <apachelogger> amichair: you ask about problems other than at installation and sure enough people will come with ubiquity crashes ;)
[13:42] <Sput> apachelogger: what do I know
[13:42] <amichair> it's their way of saying 'undefined' (since post-installation doesn't exist...)
[13:42] <Sput> I didn't touch the .desktop files... but what would be the correct way to do it?
[13:42] <apachelogger> http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commit;h=98f404b846efa5f0fbf5d838e133e07378009a3f
[13:43] <apachelogger> Sput: ^
[13:43] <apachelogger> Sput: there should be no shebang line at all
[13:43] <apachelogger> oh
[13:43] <apachelogger> Sput: http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commit;h=9f9be449dd60c940135dbea8bac7712dbff03148
[13:43] <apachelogger> that one
[13:43] <apachelogger> sry
[13:45] <Sput> apachelogger: care going in #quassel and talk to al directly?
[13:45] <Sput> he's around too
[13:46] <al> intltool did that
[13:46] <apachelogger> al: stupid tool, please report a bug against that beasie
[13:46] <al> which i was told to use by you guys :>
[13:46] <al> won't do that
[13:47] <apachelogger> intltool is gnomeware, it is bound to do fynny things ^^
[13:47] <al> last time i did that i got a pretty stupid response
[13:47] <al> that tool is a lost case
[13:48] <apachelogger> so much for KDE's scripted approach is inferior :P
[13:48] <apachelogger> al: what do you use it for anyway?
[13:48] <CIA-6> [quassel] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414124825-bhhu2k183q4luyua * debian/ (4 files) releasing version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1
[13:48] <al> .desktop file translations
[13:48] <apachelogger> al: sync po-to-desktop file?
[13:48] <al> yea
[13:49] <apachelogger> hm, I would really go for kde's magic there
[13:49] <al> unfortunately i'm not wizard
[13:49] <apachelogger> al: I'll look into it and poke you
[13:49] <al> great :>
[13:50] <apachelogger> al: with a long point lance :P
[13:50] <apachelogger> ScottK, Sput:0.6.0 uploading
[13:50] <al> i just hope that's not a metaphor
[13:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: all 4 packages uploaded, lemme know if that doesn't fix for you
[13:51] <ScottK> Tonio_ and apachelogger: Thank you.
[13:51] <Sput> oh, apachelogger: al is here too :)
[13:51] <apachelogger> Sput: I am too attracting
[13:52] <Sput> apachelogger: we all know that
[13:52]  * Sput remembers that night at the gothic club
[13:52]  * ScottK is off for the next ~8 hours.
[13:52]  * apachelogger doesnt for some reason
[13:52] <Sput> thanks ScottK
[13:52] <Sput> and apachelogger :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> though I was fat and ugly back then
[13:52] <apachelogger> simply put: I was no kubuntu dev
[13:52] <Sput> you're less fat now?
[13:53] <apachelogger> Sput: natural cause of digging around in mysql ... it kind of kills one's appetite
[13:54] <apachelogger> but now Kubuntu has a somewhat working akonadi
[13:57] <amichair> apachelogger: is this normal for a beta2 survey? looks a bit disappointing to me :-/
[13:57] <Riddell> we've never done one before
[13:57] <apachelogger> also
[13:57] <amichair> statistics rock!
[13:57] <apachelogger> it was hidden away and all
[13:57] <apachelogger> for maverick we really should add the widget to the desktop
[13:58] <apachelogger> in fact we could still do so for the rc
[13:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: thoughts?
[13:58] <amichair> true, but what's the sample size? the numbers in parentheses?
[13:58] <apachelogger> amichair: yeah
[13:58] <apachelogger> at the very bottom
[13:59] <amichair> apachelogger: bottom?
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: not for rc, for maverick we could have it as a small button on the desktop which expands into the full survey
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: why not fo rc? ^^
[13:59] <apachelogger> also the button shouldnt be too small :)
[14:00] <amichair> Riddell: maybe it could be a notification - once shortly after install, once a couple weeks later, something like that
[14:00] <amichair> a notification that stays open, that is. Not one that disappears in 2 seconds :-)
[14:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: because freeze is in a few hours and we don't want to introduce something which could be unreliable
[14:02] <amichair> so, it looks like one in 4 users have problems of some sort?
[14:04] <apachelogger> my changes are not unreliable :P
[14:04] <apachelogger> but oh well, you're right
[14:05] <amichair> was there a similar feedback form in Ubuntu?
[14:05] <apachelogger> al: where do the translations come from?
[14:05] <Riddell> amichair: no
[14:09] <al> apachelogger: launchpad
[14:09] <apachelogger> al: and you download them or what?
[14:09] <al> yea
[14:10] <amichair> what say we do something about quality and usability? maybe an emphasis in MM? or something Timelord related?
[14:10] <apachelogger> al: care to give me a url for testing? :)
[14:10] <al> gt
[14:10] <al> t
[14:10] <al> argh
[14:14] <al> apachelogger: there you go: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44075714/launchpad-export.tar.gz http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44076003/launchpad-export.tar.gz
[14:15] <apachelogger> al: thanks
[14:30] <apachelogger> oh
[14:30] <apachelogger> al: looks more complicate than I thought ^^
[14:30] <apachelogger> well, not the processing itself but wrapping around it to make the envrionment fit the constraints
[14:33] <al> damn.
[14:36] <apachelogger> al: strange thing is, it doesnt seem a lot of debian packages have that particular issue
[14:36] <apachelogger> al: maybe intltool does have some magic switch to turn that off or something?
[14:40] <al> apachelogger: dunno
[14:40]  * apachelogger const casts
[14:48] <apachelogger> hm
[14:48] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[15:19] <shadeslayer> anyone around to help me with a small question in packaging?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> i have a package which has .pot files,how do i build them with the package?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> ( i know these are translation files ;) )
[15:36]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:36] <apachelogger> al: I got something borrowed, something new...
[15:36] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:37] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: pot files are trainslation templates, they arent translation files
[15:37] <apachelogger> hence the the t
[15:37] <apachelogger> the files without t are translation files
[15:39] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ok,so how do i build them?
[15:39] <apachelogger> you dont
[15:39] <apachelogger> what would be the point of building a template?
[15:43] <apachelogger> al: are the regular translations straight imports or also merged?
[15:46] <apachelogger> Sput: ^ do you happen to know?
[15:47] <Sput> apachelogger: I don't actually
[15:47] <apachelogger> always these well informed devs :P
[15:47] <al> apachelogger: uh.. i don't quite get the question
[15:48] <Sput> apachelogger: btw, we're planning to move the core for real now anytime soon... remember the turbobomber.q-i.org URL?
[15:48] <apachelogger> al: I take it you also get UI translation from launchpad?
[15:48] <genii> Hm. After last round of updates this morning, "System Settings" is no longer anyplace accessible from my main menu (I used to find it under Setting.. System Settings). Luckily for the moment it's on my most recently used apps.
[15:48] <al> apachelogger: yea, from launchpad and a bunch of other ways
[15:48] <apachelogger> al: and you merge them all?
[15:48] <al> apachelogger: yea
[15:48] <apachelogger> al: using what tool?
[15:48] <apachelogger> also intltool?
[15:48] <al> apachelogger: no, git :>
[15:49] <apachelogger> genii: it should be on the computer tab
[15:49] <apachelogger> al: that I do not quite understand ;)
[15:49] <apachelogger> al: you surely must use msgmerge or something
[15:49] <genii> apachelogger: I'm not using kickoff style
[15:49] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:49] <al> apachelogger: translators use that for updating the .po from the template
[15:50] <apachelogger> genii: now I remember why I did not want to fix it that way
[15:50] <apachelogger> SCREWY
[15:50] <apachelogger> ALL OF PLASMA IS SCREWY
[15:50] <apachelogger> LIKE MYSQL
[15:50] <apachelogger> JUST WITH ECMASCRIPT
[15:50] <apachelogger> meh
[15:50]  * genii runs!
[15:51] <apachelogger> al: so the translators merge from launchpad?
[15:51] <apachelogger> ah, never mind
[15:51] <apachelogger> if you dont need no scripting then its all alike to me ;)
[15:53] <apachelogger> al: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/src/quassel-desktop-merger/
[15:53] <apachelogger> goes into the po folder
[15:53] <apachelogger> for merging extract the launchpad tar there (creates a po subdir)
[15:53] <apachelogger> then run the ruby script
[15:54] <apachelogger> it will create another subdir merge-dir and bring everything in line with KDE's script exceptations regarding it's environment, and then merge away using that c++ app there
[15:54] <apachelogger> once it is done it will nuke the merge-dir again
[15:54]  * al googles
[15:54] <apachelogger> only files in all_files_quassel get merged
[15:54]  * al goggles actually
[15:55] <apachelogger> merge_desktop_files.sh and applycontext.cpp are canonical sources http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/
[15:55] <apachelogger> well, latter actually has 2 nasty const casts because it wouldnt compile due to const vs. non-const on my system, maybe sput wants to look into that
[15:55] <al> can't i just remove the shebang?
[15:55] <apachelogger> al: yep
[15:56] <al> or maybe even just leave it there?
[15:57] <apachelogger> al: then I or ScottK will come and annoy for every release :P
[15:57] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw what about .po files and docbooks?
[15:57] <al> applycontext deals with msgctxts?
[15:57] <evilshadeslayer> how do i build them?
[15:57] <evilshadeslayer> i was having a look at dh_installdocs
[15:58] <apachelogger> al: msgctxts?
[15:58] <apachelogger> all I know is that it does the heavy lifting ^^
[15:58] <al> apachelogger: uh, never mind then
[15:59] <apachelogger> the shell script really just builds lists and ensures all pos are valid from what I have seen
[15:59] <apachelogger> so everything else is left to poor applycontext :)
[15:59] <al> how the hell did i get into this mess?
[15:59] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: a bit more context would be nice
[15:59] <apachelogger> eh
[15:59] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: ^
[15:59] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: sry :)
[16:00] <apachelogger> al: you commited with a shebang line and mad apachelogger furious :P
[16:00] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: ok,im uploading a kraft release to my PPA,now the dev has said that he has included .po files and a docbook,so i need package them as well
[16:01] <apachelogger> Q: why does the dev not build this stuff?
[16:01] <evilshadeslayer> which ive never done before... or does dh --with-kde do that automatically?
[16:01] <apachelogger> no
[16:01] <apachelogger> any kind of building is handled by the build system
[16:01] <apachelogger> hence the name ;)
[16:01] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: A. Because he doesnt know ubuntu packaging,he has uploaded RPM's
[16:02] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: :D
[16:02] <apachelogger> that has absolutely nononothing to do with ubuntu
[16:02] <apachelogger> and even less with packaging at large
[16:02]  * apachelogger does looky looky the source
[16:02] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: 0.40 b2?
[16:02] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: nope
[16:02] <evilshadeslayer> one sec
[16:02] <apachelogger> Packages for Ubuntu can also be found there.
[16:02] <apachelogger> rofl
[16:03] <apachelogger> that statement is awesome ^^
[16:04] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kraft/files/kraft/0.40/kraft-0.40.tar.bz2/download
[16:04] <apachelogger> well then
[16:04] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/kraft-0.40$ ls
[16:04] <apachelogger> AUTHORS  Changes.txt  cmake  CMakeLists.txt  COPYING  database  doc-translations  importfilter  INSTALL  po  README  Releasenotes.txt  reports  src  TODO  tools
[16:05] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: I dont see no documentation
[16:05] <evilshadeslayer> oh my..
[16:05] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/kraft-0.40$ find ./ -name *.docbook
[16:05] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/kraft-0.40$
[16:06] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: sorry about the docs,thats a leftover from the old package
[16:06] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:06] <apachelogger> regarding po
[16:06] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[16:06] <apachelogger> you see that po dir in the source?
[16:06] <evilshadeslayer> yes
[16:07] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/kraft-0.40$ grep "( po" CMakeLists.txt
[16:07] <apachelogger> add_subdirectory( po )
[16:07] <apachelogger> via that add_subdirectory it gets included in the build process
[16:07] <apachelogger> now lets digg one directory down
[16:07] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/kraft-0.40/po$ ls
[16:07] <apachelogger> CMakeLists.txt  cs  da  de  en_GB  eo  es  ga  lt  nds  nl  pt  pt_BR  sv  tr  uk
[16:08] <apachelogger> if you few the CMakeLists.txt here you will see that it again includes all subdirectories
[16:08] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: cmake takes care of it?
[16:08] <apachelogger> so lets digg again once down
[16:08] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src/kraft-0.40/po/cs$ ls
[16:08] <apachelogger> CMakeLists.txt  kraft.po
[16:08] <apachelogger> file(GLOB _po_files *.po)
[16:08] <apachelogger> GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES( cs ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} )
[16:08] <apachelogger> and this is the build magic
[16:09] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: ah so need to do anything?
[16:09] <apachelogger> essentially that is a script that runs the funciton GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES on all *.po files in the current directory (as found with that glob)
[16:09] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: nope
[16:09] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: tab fails :D
[16:09] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:09] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: you are quite in the way today :P
[16:12]  * evilshadeslayer wonders how to superseed 0.40b2
[16:13] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: ideas?
[16:14] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 0.40c gt 0.40b2; echo $?
[16:14] <apachelogger> 0
[16:14] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 0.40b2+reaylly0.40 gt 0.40b2; echo $?
[16:14] <apachelogger> 0
[16:14] <apachelogger> oh
[16:14] <apachelogger> latter should be really not reaylly ^^
[16:15] <evilshadeslayer> hehe thanks
[16:15] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: I would go with latter
[16:15] <apachelogger> man
[16:15] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: I am really sorr
[16:15] <shadeslayer> that should help :D
[16:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:15] <apachelogger> I will not talk to you anymore when prefixed with evil :P
[16:15] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:15] <al> apachelogger: i'll look into it, thanks :>
[16:16] <apachelogger> yw
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thanks :D
[16:20] <shadeslayer> why wont the stupid thing use the original tarball... *mumble*
[16:20] <apachelogger> wrong name
[16:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kraft_0.40b2+really0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.orig.tar.gz
[16:22] <shadeslayer> also W: kraft source: native-package-with-dash-version
[16:23] <shadeslayer> oh my
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sorry for that... i forgot .40 after really0
[16:25] <apachelogger> ohhhhhh
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that line is bogus anyway
[16:25] <apachelogger> ah
[16:25] <apachelogger> nvm
[16:25]  * apachelogger cant read today ^^
[16:29] <shadeslayer> oh my...
[16:29] <shadeslayer> must have disconnected
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what message did you get last?
[16:30] <apachelogger> none
[16:30] <apachelogger> that you forgot the 40
[16:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok well the source error is gone,but i stll have the native-package
[16:31] <shadeslayer> +error
[16:32] <apachelogger> that might be because the packaging revision is not part of the upstream version number
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ah thats what i thought too :)
[16:32] <shadeslayer> thanks
[16:34] <apachelogger> Riddell, agateau, ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/MaverickCodestylePolicy should now not duplicate kdelibs but stack explicity ontop of it
[16:34] <apachelogger> + requireing i18n semantics
[16:41] <agateau> apachelogger: what changed?
[16:41] <apachelogger> agateau: line length went up to 100 chars ;)
[16:42] <apachelogger> agateau: and http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics must be applied
[16:42] <apachelogger> where it makes sense of course, and only for new strings or string changes
[16:42] <apachelogger> see i18n section towards the end f the policy
[16:43]  * apachelogger thinks we should make a cheatsheet for the roles and subcues
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414394/ << is this a correct rules file for karmic?
[16:44] <apachelogger> try building :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> doesnt look right htough
[16:44] <apachelogger> kde.mk is KDE 3 AFAIK
[16:44] <apachelogger> unless it got moved around
[16:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then what do i use for kde 4?
[16:45]  * shadeslayer keeps forgetting
[16:45] <shadeslayer> pkg-kde-tools right?
[16:45] <apachelogger> wiki dead
[16:46]  * apachelogger seriously hates ubuntu wiki
[16:46] <apachelogger> like sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I wouldnt know
[16:46] <apachelogger> take a look at a karmic package
[16:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok
[16:48] <persia> dh --with kde $@ seems to work
[16:48] <shadeslayer> persia: karmic...
[16:48] <persia> (at least for some packages, but maybe that's lucid only)
[16:51] <apachelogger> well, that poor wiki seems dead alright :(
[16:51] <apachelogger> no spec writing for apachelogger it seems
[17:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can't subscribe ubuntu-archive myself, Scott subscribed ubuntu-sponsors for me....
[17:10] <Riddell> you can't?
[17:10] <Riddell> I thought anyone could subscribe anyone
[17:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: Well, I can, but I'm not supposed to. Someone from that team is supposed to review the packaging that Debian reviewed before ubuntu-archive folks do the work I think
[17:11]  * ryanakca checks the wiki
[17:12] <Riddell> well don't matter, it's synced now
[17:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yep
[17:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze%20for%20new%20upstream%20versions isn't clear. But for future reference, if its a sync, can I subscribe the archive folks myself? It isn't a package upload, so on second thought, I might not need to go through the sponsorship process?
[17:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: syncs needs to be acked by someone who could otherwise upload that package, so a motu for universe, kubuntu-dev for kde in main etc.  also needs a feature freeze ack at this time in the cycle.  but once it's ready to be done anyone can subscribe ubuntu-archive
[17:15] <ryanakca> ah, ok.
[17:54] <apachelogger> shtylman: did you fix this runaway loop in ubiqity? seems to come up quite some times in the feedback ... oh and something else I also noticed, could it be that the installer only redraws upon movement?
[17:54] <apachelogger> shtylman: it appeared to me as if it seemed busy while indeed upon mouse movement the next page loaded right away
[17:55] <shtylman> apachelogger: there is some weird behavior related to that... I have been poking at it to no avail so far
[17:55] <shtylman> apachelogger: the runaway loop was fixed
[17:55] <apachelogger> cool
[17:55] <apachelogger> shtylman++
[17:55] <shtylman> but then that introduced the weird mouse related stuff
[17:56] <apachelogger> shtylman: I think I noticed that mouse stuff while installing on my netbook, so that was defenitely before beta2
[17:57] <amichair> one of the mouse related bugs was closed (the reported tz page thing), but I get the feeling there's a bunch more complexity hiding in there
[17:57] <apachelogger> on that note ... is it ubiquity that uses processEvents?
[17:58] <amichair> apachelogger: among others...
[17:58] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[17:58] <apachelogger> jonny got told to avoid them yesterday
[17:58] <apachelogger> they are evil and dangerous if I recall correctly
[17:58] <apachelogger> which is exactly what I thought when I saw them, I just couldnt exactly remember in what source that was
[17:59] <apachelogger> amichair, shtylman: according to the lords from KDE it would be much wiser to use threads when appropriate, and if that does not work, then at least an own event loop (which is stil evil and dangerous, but less than processEvents the word was)
[18:00] <apachelogger>  
[18:00] <apachelogger>    Wine software is still lacking. Having microsoft office running in linux is no a good experience. I can't print from word. I want very badly, a divx version for linux. The codecs do not work. You still in better plug-in software for this.
[18:00] <apachelogger> that I do not understand
[18:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: google divx
[18:01] <kubotu> Results for divx: 1. DivX – Play DivX, AVI & MKV videos on computers and devices | DivX.com: http://www.divx.com/ | 2. DivX Plus Software – Play and convert DivX, AVI & MKV video | DivX.com: http://www.divx.com/en/divx | 3. DivX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX
[18:02] <amichair> apachelogger: I tend to agree (about event  handling), but just got into it this week, and at this point before release changing the design/implementation is a bit risky. Should definitly be reworked eventually though.
[18:02] <apachelogger> yeah, defenitely not something to change now
[18:02] <apachelogger> but if possible this should be looked into for maverick
[18:02] <apachelogger> maybe it saves us from some bugs
[18:03] <amichair> I have no doubt. Bugs tend to cluster, and we're already seeing them clustering in ubiquity - there are probably a bunch more just waiting to be reported.
[18:03] <apachelogger> so if I understand wikipedia correctly I might suppose that the dear user wants wine, so that he can run ms office, but then complains that printing does not work, also he cant playback divx videos
[18:03] <apachelogger> whatever particular codec that is
[18:04] <amichair> maybe some renewed Timelord marketing around launch can draw more ppl to help?
[18:04]  * apachelogger also never used the software
[18:04] <apachelogger> amichair: we need hand holding for that
[18:04] <apachelogger> I got a bit dragged away form preparing that
[18:04] <apachelogger> "a bit"
[18:04] <apachelogger> more like totaly and completely for months ;)
[18:05] <shtylman> apachelogger: yea... easier said than done... but indeed... forn ext cycle.. I will probly aim to refactor ALOT of the ubiquity codebase for kde side
[18:05] <apachelogger>     even after going through the language options and after answering yes to the message "the language wasn't installed completely, install it now?", the dutch language isn't complete. About 75% is dutch, the rest is english.
[18:05] <apachelogger> Not all programs have Russian language. Also not all programs have help (even in English), for example KTimeTracker and KTorrent
[18:05] <apachelogger> Italian translation is lacking even in central apps like KPackageKit.
[18:05] <apachelogger> Wrong translation in systemsettings "General" (German)
[18:05] <apachelogger>  Some program not fully translated, for example - kubuntu feedback, etc.
[18:05] <apachelogger> go rosetta go
[18:06] <amichair> when I tested ubiquity in RTL (Hebrew), it was mostly English with a little Hebrew scattered around
[18:06] <apachelogger> shtylman: while you are at it, when changing strings make them i18n semantics ;)
[18:06]  * apachelogger steps out of the akonadi mess and must read about all new l10n mess
[18:08] <apachelogger> "The guest additions don't work properly: mouse integration and resolution aren't as they should be. Everything works fine in Ubuntu Lucid b2."
[18:08] <apachelogger> that I dont know understand either
[18:08] <apachelogger> -know
[18:09] <amichair> what is that referring to? I do all my testing in virtualbox amd64 and haven't had such issues.
[18:09] <apachelogger> "6. The option to change the cursor appearence theme strangely isn't under "Appearence" but "Keyboard and Mouse" in System Settings. Papercut? "
[18:09] <apachelogger> that I also find weird
[18:09] <apachelogger> amichair: dunno its from the feedback page, so you think he means virtual machine guest additions?
[18:09] <apachelogger> oh
[18:09] <apachelogger> amichair: maybe vmware
[18:10]  * apachelogger remembers the ESX in his old school had stuff like that
[18:10] <amichair> it's the only kind of guest additions that might relate to mouse integration I can think of
[18:10]  * apachelogger also remembers that KDE never worked terribly great in vmware for some reason
[18:10] <apachelogger> "    I run my music of an nfs share. I linmk my music folder via it. due to the large collection (I think) amarok crashed when I tried to do something before initial scan was over."
[18:10] <amichair> others here test with KVM too, dunno of any issues
[18:11] <apachelogger> we should have a system detecing when someone tries to use a remote share for stuff like that an shout at them ;)
[18:11] <apachelogger> amichair: I find this all very bogus anyway + probably a mess in their driver
[18:11] <amichair> I also had some Plymouth ugliness like some ppl report - error text, black screens, etc.
[18:12] <apachelogger> well
[18:12] <apachelogger> last I checked I did not even see means for i18n
[18:12] <amichair> apachelogger: yeah, vm stuff is very unlikely related to kubuntu
[18:12] <apachelogger> so form where I am standing plymouth is utter crap
[18:13] <amichair> I think it just isn't tested and tried well enough. I find quality in general a bit disturbing (but then I'm slightly on the perfectinist side)
[18:14] <apachelogger> I am totally on your side
[18:14] <apachelogger> IMHO we should have implemented it post LTS
[18:14]  * amichair hands out some chocolate to everyone on this side
[18:14] <neversfelde> Riddel bug 560576, bug 560579, bug 561691 and bug 562561
[18:14] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:15] <amichair> apachelogger: and I'm not referring only to Plymouth - also the ubiquity stuff, software-properties before I got to it (and maybe still?), and others
[18:15] <amichair> it's a general feel of quality in the system
[18:15] <apachelogger> "Kockey-KDE bug with nVidia driver" I probably dont need to state what I just read there ^^
[18:16] <apachelogger> amichair: dont look at the language-selector
[18:16] <amichair> interesting app, that one :-)
[18:16] <apachelogger> seriously
[18:16] <apachelogger> dont
[18:16] <apachelogger> best is to not even think about it
[18:16]  * apachelogger doesnt sleep well at night because of the language-selector UI ^^
[18:16] <amichair> I was doing perfectly fine until u mentioned it :-P
[18:17] <apachelogger> oh noes
[18:17] <apachelogger> "Bluetooth still doesn't work with Motorola Razor. Not Kubuntu specific (kdebluetooth), but Gnome bluetooth and blueman work perfectly."
[18:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: google motorla razor
[18:17] <kubotu> Results for motorla razor: 1. Mobile Phones - Motorola USA: http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ | 2. Motorola Motorola RAZR V3c: http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details/0,,129,00.html | 3. SLB: Motorola RAZR V3 – How to charge and transfer files to your PC!: http://www.somelifeblog.com/2007/01/motorola-razr-v3-how-to-charge-and.html
[18:17] <amichair> question is, what do we do about all this? How do we get Kubuntu to become the highest quality, smoothest experience, most usable distro out there?
[18:17] <apachelogger> ah
[18:17] <neversfelde> meeh, I forgot to close all bugs in the changelogs
[18:18] <apachelogger> phones are the shiz
[18:18] <evilshadeslayer> any ideas what linux-backports-modules-wireless contains?
[18:18] <apachelogger> nick
[18:18] <neversfelde> Riddell: could you add them, if you upload digikam and kipi?
[18:18] <apachelogger> amichair: if it was my choice, I would go review each app and boot those that suck until someone rewrites them
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hold on.. ill brb
[18:19] <apachelogger> of course users would eat us for that
[18:19] <shadeslayer> now ive set it to default :D
[18:19] <apachelogger> "Are you going to provide a Network browser like Gnome does?"
[18:19] <apachelogger> why oh why do people imply knowledge I do not have
[18:19]  * apachelogger hates it when they do that
[18:20] <amichair> apachelogger: how about starting with our own self-developed stuff?
[18:20] <apachelogger> amichair: I was talking about that
[18:21] <apachelogger> and that stuff is most essential for users
[18:21] <apachelogger> we can only redo them bit by bit
[18:21] <apachelogger> and qiute frankly I am not much for redoing that python uglyness in other python uglyness
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how does this rules file look for a kraft ( karmic ) : http://paste.ubuntu.com/414431/
[18:22] <apachelogger> shtylman: could be working
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: still :P
[18:22] <apachelogger> hm
[18:22] <imbrandon> moins all
[18:22] <apachelogger> maybe quassel is bogus
[18:23] <apachelogger> Sput: did you shift the autocompletion code around or something?
[18:23] <apachelogger> yo imbrandon
[18:23]  * shadeslayer replaces all of apachelogger's keys with tab keys
[18:24] <Sput> apachelogger: nope
[18:24] <apachelogger> maybe I really suffered long-time brain injury from that akonadi fixing :(
[18:24] <Sput> haven't touched that in a long time
[18:24]  * apachelogger starts cryng and runs away
[18:25] <Sput> also s<tab> highlights shadeslayer here
[18:25] <apachelogger> Sput: isnt there some magic behind it
[18:25] <Sput> yes, there is
[18:25] <apachelogger> I think it goes to whoever I wrote last
[18:25] <lex79> o/
[18:25] <Sput> MRU
[18:25] <apachelogger> currently you
[18:25] <Sput> yeah or probably whoever wrote last in genereal
[18:25] <apachelogger> lex79: hullos
[18:25] <Sput> can't remember exactly
[18:26] <Sput> also, gotta leave
[18:26]  * apachelogger waves
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the old entry for debian/source/format?
[18:27] <apachelogger> bug 403610
[18:27] <apachelogger> ^^
[18:27] <apachelogger> that title is just awesome
[18:27] <apachelogger> shtylman: there is none
[18:27] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:27] <apachelogger> god damnit
[18:27] <lex79> apachelogger: what happened to kmail icon in systray?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try using sh<tab>
[18:28] <lex79> imagebin.ca/view/437HGcC.html
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i mean sha<tab>
[18:28] <apachelogger> shtylman: :P
[18:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: :P
[18:28] <apachelogger> ah
[18:28] <apachelogger> too much to type
[18:28]  * apachelogger shall not use highlights anymore
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think now it should work with sh
[18:28] <apachelogger> why does this imagebin url have no http?
[18:28] <shadeslayer> (now that youve highlighted me )
[18:28] <lex79> dunno
[18:29] <apachelogger> that is like in irssi
[18:29] <apachelogger> copy tha url and past eit ^^
[18:29] <apachelogger> so the kmail problem is that tini tiny number?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: compat is 5 though right?
[18:29] <lex79> apachelogger: yes
[18:29] <apachelogger> that entirely depends on what version your packaging is compatible with
[18:30] <apachelogger> Well, I have no idea what happened to KMail. Tried restarting?
[18:30] <lex79> yes
[18:30] <apachelogger> Very odd
[18:30] <apachelogger> maybe ask in #kontact
[18:30] <lex79> Riddell: upload new agateau's patch
[18:30]  * apachelogger did not touch kdepim in ages
[18:30] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[18:30] <lex79> ^^^
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its for karmic... so im guessing 5
[18:30] <apachelogger> in that case I blame Riddell and agateau :P
[18:30] <lex79> yeah
[18:31] <apachelogger> no, karmic did have debhelper 7
[18:31] <apachelogger> so that might be compat 5 to 7
[18:31] <apachelogger> I dont think you crafted compat 4 with cdbs ;)
[18:32] <lex79> very fun with my xscreensaver uplaod buahah :)
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[18:33] <apachelogger> I already stated that I shall never sponsor an upload for you again
[18:33] <apachelogger> way too much work post-upload
[18:33] <lex79> :(
[18:34] <shadeslayer> 0.40-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 << that is correct right
[18:34] <apachelogger> looks like it
[18:35] <lex79> Riddell: sync please, bug 545690 545686
[18:35] <lex79> bug 545686
[18:36] <shadeslayer> !find libboost1.40-dev
[18:36] <shadeslayer> !find libboost1.40-dev karmic
[18:40] <lex79> in karmic libboost should be 1.38
[18:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/libboost1.40-dev
[18:43] <shadeslayer> lex79: i can fix it right now.. but you need to be quick!
[18:47] <CIA-6> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414174740-hj90wimhtvo3t5cj * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1
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[18:49] <CIA-6> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414174924-814k6hqegm64tv5i * debian/changelog LP: #203882
[20:06] <CIA-6> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414190609-3icz4dnn1iyk6d1k * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2
[20:27] <Riddell> lex79: what's the issue with kmail?
[20:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: where's digikam?
[20:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: oh I see, there's separate bugs from the FFe
[20:28] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, I did not subscribe main sponsors, because exceptions are not granted, yet
[20:28] <neversfelde> should I do it in one bug in future?
[20:29] <Riddell> I prefer it as one bug, others may disagree I suppose
[20:31] <neversfelde> as always :)
[20:32] <neversfelde> Riddell: I forgot to close the bugs in the changelogs, I could do this, when I push to bzr or can you add it?
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> the kmail icon looks sorta crappy after today's updates :(
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoppz1586-jpg.jpg
[20:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: not scaling properly?
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that, and the dementedly-small unread count
[20:37] <Riddell> I have 14560 unread e-mails so the text is always dementedly-small
[20:37] <Riddell> I'll text agateau and see if we can get him back online
[20:38] <neversfelde> yes, I can confirm this problem
[20:38]  * Nightrose thinks Riddell needs an email intervention
[20:38] <Nightrose> :D
[20:38] <neversfelde> thought that it is wanted
[20:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: if you push to bzr I'll grab the new changelog from there
[20:43] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, should I also close the exception bugs?
[20:43] <Riddell> neversfelde: no I can do that
[20:43] <Riddell> once I decide if I grant it or not of course :)
[20:43] <neversfelde> ok :)
[20:52] <flacoste> any knows about a mem leak in plasma-desktop?
[20:52] <amichair> flacoste: yeah baby!
[20:52] <flacoste> since i upgraded to lucid, the plasma-desktop process often climbs to 1.2G RSS
[20:52] <amichair> flacoste: every couple of weeks it reaches 1G and I need to restart
[20:52] <flacoste> i have to kill it and restart it
[20:52] <flacoste> wow, you are lukcy
[20:53] <flacoste> mine reaches that in a few hours!
[20:53] <amichair> I am the chosen one :-P
[20:53] <flacoste> any work around?
[20:53] <flacoste> applets that shouldn't be use
[20:54] <amichair> I reported one way I managed to recreate it (kde bug 216661), but the response is 'maybe someday it will be fixed by accident' :-(
[20:54] <flacoste> nice answer
[20:55] <amichair> flacoste: no workaround that I know of. I don't use any plasmoids and nothing spiffy or strange configuration...
[20:55] <amichair> flacoste: say, do the steps to recreate there, in particular, trigger the leak for u as well?
[20:55] <flacoste> i have two plasmoids on my desktop: cpu and temperature
[20:55] <amichair> (I have a feeling there's more than one leak though)
[20:56] <flacoste> amichair: what is the 'Taskbar thumbnails effect'?
[20:57] <amichair> it's when the mouse hovers over a window button/title in the taskbar, and u see a little snapshot thumbnail of what the window looks like
[20:57] <amichair> I think it's on by default (but not sure)
[20:57] <flacoste> i don't have that enabled
[20:57] <flacoste> are you talking about the pager?%
[20:57] <flacoste> because i removed mine
[20:57] <flacoste> i only have the taskbar
[20:58] <flacoste> which doesn't show any thumbnails when i hover over it
[20:58] <flacoste> only a bubble with the icon and the window title
[20:58] <amichair> nono, just the things u click on the taskbar to switch between windows
[20:58] <amichair> flacoste: that bubble can be made to contain a thumbnail
[20:58] <flacoste> ah ok
[20:58] <flacoste> well, it's probably something else
[20:58] <flacoste> because mine leaks like crazy without that
[20:59] <amichair> try to narrow it down somehow, it might help in reporting/fixing it
[20:59] <amichair> I had htop open for a month or two until I managed to pinpoint that one
[21:00] <amichair> I tried all kinds of things, closed applications, etc. to narrow down the possible cause
[21:00] <amichair> anything u find can be useful in getting this fixed
[21:01] <neversfelde> Riddell: all pushed to bzr
[21:01] <debfx> sebas: ping
[21:02] <amichair> flacoste: btw what video drivers u use?
[21:02] <flacoste> intel
[21:03] <amichair> flacoste: interesting, I use nvidia - it was suggested this might be a driver issue, and this disproves it
[21:04] <starshiptrooper> pha 14560 unread
[21:04] <starshiptrooper> Riddell must have cleaned out recently
[21:05]  * starshiptrooper just had the most ludicrous skype conversation with a friend and considers washing the cat now ^^
[21:08] <Guest18670> Hi there
[21:09] <Guest18670> I use Kubuntu 10.4 Beta2
[21:09] <Guest18670> On a Lenovo Thinkpad SL510
[21:10] <Guest18670> when it boots , the battery monitor shows that the AC adaptor is plugged in
[21:10] <Guest18670> but it's not
[21:11] <Guest18670> if I plug it in and then unplug it , after that all the things work normally
[21:11] <Guest18670> How can I solve that?
[21:15] <neversfelde> hi Blizzz
[21:16] <Blizzz> hi nevi
[21:16] <Riddell> Guest18670: could be a problem at any of the several levels which report that, linux, hal, solid or powerdevil
[21:18] <Guest18670> Riddell: oh!
[21:40] <Riddell> ScottK: what's this with openoffice and netbook?
[21:40] <ScottK> OOo is currently broken on armel.
[21:41] <ScottK> So this upload is the last shot at getting it working.
[21:41] <ScottK> If it doesn't work, I was going to go fish around on the UNE seeds and see what they're up to.
[21:41] <ScottK> Then do that.
[21:41] <ScottK> They aren't using OOo on armel.
[21:41] <Riddell> I thought they'd added it back
[21:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: digikam and k-p up
[21:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
[21:43] <ScottK> In any case, I don't think it makes sense to keep something known broken (as opposed to terminally painfully slow) on the image.
[21:43] <Riddell> netbook: * (openoffice.org-gnome) [i386 amd64 powerpc]
[21:43] <Riddell> ah, not arm
[21:43] <neversfelde> Riddell: nice :)
[21:43] <neversfelde> thank you
[21:43] <Riddell> neversfelde: thanks for packaging
[21:58] <lex79> Riddell: the issue in kmail is the number of unread mail in the systray
[22:05] <lex79> JontheEchidna: o/ congrats :)
[22:06] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you push your qt changes in bzr?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> lex79: oops, thanks for the reminder
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> will do after I eat
[22:07] <lex79> ok
[22:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I put some conflict/replaces versioning fixes in bzr for -workspace to smooth upgrades with backports enabled.  I don't think it's essential to get in before freeze.
[22:18] <ScottK> I suspect it'll be allowed in over the weekend if nothing else needing doing for -workspace appears.
[23:01] <txwikinger> what a pain... the screensaver issue is back
[23:02] <ScottK> IIRC starshiptrooper what rhapsodizing over that very thing earlier.
[23:03] <starshiptrooper> whut?
[23:03] <starshiptrooper> does someone want to anger me or what?
[23:03]  * ScottK picks "what"
[23:03] <starshiptrooper> hm
[23:04] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: can you ls /etc/xdg/autostart for me please
[23:04] <txwikinger> sure starshiptrooper
[23:05] <txwikinger> what do you need starshiptrooper
[23:06]  * starshiptrooper meant that litterall
[23:06] <starshiptrooper> ls /etc/xdg/autostart
[23:06] <starshiptrooper> ^^
[23:06] <txwikinger> well.. is has about 20 files in it
[23:07] <txwikinger> xscreensaver.desktop among them
[23:07] <starshiptrooper> Oo
[23:07] <txwikinger> the autostart is commented out
[23:07] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: dpkg -S xscreensaver.desktop
[23:07] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: what do you mean by commented out?
[23:08] <txwikinger> there are # in front of the gnome-autostart settings
[23:08]  * starshiptrooper doesnt understand a word
[23:08] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: please just paste the ls and run the dpkg -S :)
[23:09] <txwikinger> the dpkg says not found
[23:10] <starshiptrooper> oh my
[23:10] <starshiptrooper> grep -ri "xscreensaver.desktop" /var/lib/dpkg/info
[23:10] <txwikinger> well .. it needs to be xscreensaver-daemon.desktop
 well.. is has about 20 files in it
 xscreensaver.desktop among them
[23:11] <txwikinger> ok.. it is in the xscreensaver package
[23:11] <txwikinger> sorry it was xscreensaver-daemon.desktop
[23:13] <starshiptrooper> me@osiris:~$ dpkg -L xscreensaver | grep autostart
[23:13] <starshiptrooper> me@osiris:~$
[23:14] <amichair> yo JontheEchidna
[23:14] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: please run the grep with appropriate desktop file name
[23:15] <valorie> my sound seems to have completely disappeared in the last couple of days, running Lucid beta
[23:15] <valorie> anyone else experiencing this?
[23:15] <valorie> not even startup chimes
[23:15] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is the knh fix to ur liking?
[23:15] <txwikinger> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xscreensaver.list:/usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop
[23:15] <txwikinger> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xscreensaver.list:/usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop
[23:15] <txwikinger> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xscreensaver.list:/etc/xdg/autostart/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop
[23:16] <starshiptrooper> that is ultimately weird
[23:16] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: what version does your xscreensaver package have?
[23:16] <txwikinger> valorie: I had that in karmic
[23:16] <starshiptrooper> and what does apt-cache policy hav eot say
[23:16] <txwikinger> starshiptrooper: I know :)
[23:17] <txwikinger> Installed: 5.10-3ubuntu3
[23:17] <txwikinger>   Candidate: 5.10-3ubuntu3
[23:18] <valorie> txwikinger: what was your solution?
[23:18] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: that does make absolute no sense at all
[23:18] <txwikinger> valorie: I upgraded to Lucid :D
[23:18] <lex79> O.O
[23:18] <valorie> super
[23:19] <starshiptrooper> we have the exact same version of xscreensaver
[23:19] <valorie> everything was cool on install
[23:19]  * starshiptrooper is clueless on this
[23:19] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: mind to post your dpkg.log
[23:19] <valorie> a couple of days ago, however, sound disappeared
[23:19] <txwikinger> starshiptrooper: sure
[23:19] <valorie> I've been upgrading daily, so I assume it was something in the upgrades
[23:20] <ScottK> valorie: Do you have Ubuntu and Kubuntu both installed on your system?
[23:20] <valorie> no
[23:20] <valorie> clean kubuntu lucid beta install
[23:21] <ScottK> Check and see if pulseaudio got installed somehow.
[23:21] <valorie> I believe it is
[23:21] <ScottK> That's not the standard Kubuntu config then.
[23:21] <ScottK> I'd try removing it and see if your sound comes back.
[23:21] <valorie> OK, I was going to ask if that might be necessary
[23:22] <valorie> it's always worked before
[23:22] <ScottK> If it does, it at least helps narrow thing down.
[23:23] <ScottK> It doesn't necessarily mean it's pulseaudio's fault though.
[23:23] <valorie> right, and I can always reinstall
[23:24] <starshiptrooper> I think pulseaudio implementation is still broken
[23:25] <txwikinger> starshiptrooper: sorry no luck with pastebin.. file is too big
[23:25] <valorie> pastie.org should work
[23:25] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: paste.ubuntu.com
[23:25] <valorie> pastebin chokes on big files, for sure
[23:25] <starshiptrooper> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xscreensaver-daemon.desktop&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any
[23:26] <txwikinger> can I upload a file without pasting there?
[23:27] <starshiptrooper> oh my
[23:27] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: just send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[23:27] <txwikinger> you know.. I will just paste a grep for xscreensaver
[23:28]  * starshiptrooper is rather tired
[23:28] <txwikinger> starshiptrooper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414583/
[23:29] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: your apt is broken
[23:29] <starshiptrooper> clearly ubuntu3 never got installed on your system
[23:29] <txwikinger> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/414584/
[23:30] <txwikinger> yes in the second part
[23:30]  * starshiptrooper blinks
[23:30] <starshiptrooper> oh well
[23:30] <starshiptrooper> PEBKAC
[23:30] <starshiptrooper> packages.ubuntu sez there is no such file in autostart
[23:31] <starshiptrooper> I do say there is no such file in autostart
[23:31] <starshiptrooper> and the buildlog also says there is no such file in autostart
[23:31] <valorie> ok, sound still doesn't work, but I'll try restarting
[23:31] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: are you on i386 or amd64?
[23:32] <txwikinger> o386
[23:32] <txwikinger> i386
[23:32] <txwikinger> this is a MacBook
[23:32] <starshiptrooper> txwikinger: try manually installing https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/xscreensaver_5.10-3ubuntu3_i386.deb
[23:32] <txwikinger> but the Futjitsu-Siemens (also i386) has the same issue
[23:35] <txwikinger> well.. doesn't change the existence of the file
[23:36] <ScottK> IIRC you have to manually remove the file in postrm.
[23:37] <ScottK> Removing a conffile doesn't automatically happen I don't think.
[23:37] <txwikinger> ScottK: It is neither in postrm nor in postinst
[23:37] <ScottK> The one that stopped shipping it should have removed itin the postrm.
[23:38] <ScottK> So afaict the upload that dropped it was incomplete.
[23:38] <starshiptrooper> HOLY SMOKES
[23:38] <starshiptrooper> why in the name of all that is unholy does debhelper make crap a conffile on its own
[23:38] <starshiptrooper> bleh
[23:38] <starshiptrooper> what a crappery
[23:38] <txwikinger> ScottK: well.. it is not removing it in postinst or postrm
[23:38] <starshiptrooper> debhelper--
[23:39] <txwikinger> and it actually has the file in the .deb anyway
[23:39] <starshiptrooper> it does not have the file in the deb
[23:39] <txwikinger> well.. dpkg-query -L has it in the list
[23:39]  * ScottK waits for enlightenment
[23:39] <starshiptrooper> BECAUSE IT IS A CONFFILE
[23:39] <starshiptrooper> or rather was
[23:40] <ScottK> starshiptrooper: everything in /etc is a conffile unless you really go out of your way by generating it in the postinst
[23:40] <txwikinger> well. even if postrm would remove it, it would be reinstalled in the new package
[23:40] <ScottK> txwikinger: Not if the package wasn't shipping it anymore.
[23:41] <txwikinger> ScottK: Well.. I am saying the newest package is still shipping it
[23:41] <starshiptrooper> ScottK: that is inconsistent, by that definition dh should make everything in /usr/share/ unexecutable
[23:41] <ScottK> starshiptrooper: I don't make this up.  That's just the way it is.
[23:41] <ScottK> If you ship a file in /etc in your .deb, it's a conffile.
[23:42] <starshiptrooper> yeah it oviously is
[23:42] <starshiptrooper> whoever invited that should be sacked though
[23:42] <ScottK> In any case postrm has to deal with it.
[23:45]  * ScottK move on to see what damage he can do elsewhere.
[23:45] <valorie> heh, still no sound, and the sound config crashed while I was testing
[23:45] <valorie> what does it mean, when you are filing a bug: KDE Platform is compiled from sources
[23:45] <valorie> I never know whether or not to check that
[23:46] <ScottK> Not if you're using Kubuntu packages
[23:46] <valorie> OK
[23:47]  * txwikinger still disagrees with the fact that testdrive does not have Kubuntu iso as default selections in it
[23:47] <valorie> any hints on where i should go to hunt this no-sound bit down and fix it?
[23:48] <txwikinger> sound is always a pain
[23:49]  * starshiptrooper is getting majorly annoyed about that screensaver crap
[23:49] <valorie> yes, I've fought this battle before
[23:49] <valorie> and always won
[23:49] <valorie> ::knock on wood::
[23:50]  * ScottK usually takes the beg crimsun for help approach.
[23:51] <valorie> crimsun appears to be not available
[23:52] <ScottK> Yep.  That doesn't always work.
[23:52] <ScottK> maco can sometimes help if she's around.
[23:57] <valorie> for sure