[00:35] JontheEchidna: could you please have a look at bug #562240 ? [00:35] Launchpad bug 562240 in libssh "libssh-4 0.4.2 breaks kio sftp slave" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562240 [00:36] JontheEchidna: qt4-x11 does take ~26 hours on armel. So from the time the new i386 binaries are built and published to the time the same happens on armel, you basically can't build Qt using packages on armel, they FTBFS due to archive skew. Of course it's easy enough to retry ... [01:17] debfx: waah! thanks for the heads up. [01:17] I did all my testing on the regular ftp:/ ioslave [01:18] but I guess the sftp:/ one needed testing too. oh well. [01:21] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100414002148-leu4btfy6g3iux9x * debian/changelog Rebuild for sneaky libssh ABI breakage. The ftp:/ ioslave worked, but the sftp:/ ioslave didn't... === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx [01:59] Ugh. network-manager-openvpn-gnome, network-manager-vpnc-gnome, and a stack of Gnome crap to follow. [01:59] Tonio_: What have you done to me? [02:05] DarkwingDuck: pong [02:23] ScottK: hu ? I splitted so that this doesn't happen [02:24] ScottK: you might have a package that depends on those, but I don't any reason why you get this [02:24] ScottK: except if you install all suggested packages by default :) [02:24] bed time, we can discuss this tomorrow [02:24] Tonio_: i network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-kde [02:25] When you replaced network-manager-kde with the widget, you didn't fix up the recommends [02:25] etwork-manager-openvpn Recommends network-manager-openvpn-gnome | network-manager-kde [02:25] n.... [02:30] apachelogger: No akonadi failure bitching after reboot this time. Thank you. [03:34] nixternal: Okay, I'm back now [04:17] anyone have connections for computer hardware? I need new puters and the insurance company is going to give me $200 for the computers destroyed in the storm [04:18] i won't be able to buy anything anytime soon, but something i will definitely need to do in the near future [04:18] no way i can dev on an amd athlon from 1999 (which is my communications server, ie. irssi, mutt and such), or my PPC box, or my dell mini 10v === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:35] nixternal: look for companies getting rid of their old computers [04:36] Usually they are still pretty good, and you might get them for free [04:36] yeah, not here you won't find stuff like that [04:36] companies usually lease their computers here [04:36] well.. the company leasing them out doesn't want them back [04:37] dell does :) [04:37] * txwikinger knows why he never gets anything from Dell [04:37] i checked with my mom's company, but they return all of their computers [04:38] and the ones they just returned, ran windows 2000, so they are probably as old as my machine here [04:38] i need something that will build kde trunk and packages [04:38] * txwikinger doesn't have anything good either [04:38] otherwise I am done for a while [04:39] i had a nice cheap quad core, but it was smashed flat [04:39] i think i paid $300 for the quad core, 4gb of ram, 250gb sata drive, and a 19" lcd [04:39] i just don't have that money to spend right now [04:39] that's very good === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:37] JontheEchidna: I see you're putting that core-dev right to work. Great. [06:04] Unreleased changes for -workspace in bzr for anyone to add to ... [06:16] JontheEchidna: remmina (the only other package build-depending on libssh-dev) probably needs to to be rebuilt too === dpm-afk is now known as dpm [08:31] JontheEchidna: your sig pic on forum.kde needs updating [08:31] that said, the kubuntu and ubutnu icons do too [08:35] JontheEchidna: <3 how you showed off them bashers in the keeping 3.5 alive thread [08:37] kubotu: order cappuccino for Nightrose [08:37] * kubotu slides cappuccino down the bar to Nightrose [08:37] \o/ [08:37] Nightrose: a wonderufl good morning [08:38] to you too [08:38] * apachelogger hugs Nightrose and kubotu [08:38] awww [08:38] *hug* [08:50] good morning all! [08:51] apachelogger: Nightrose, are you headed to UDS at all? [08:51] nope - too busy atm and a few other conferences on the plate :( [08:52] jussi01: no, I am heading to the supermarket ^^ [08:53] jussi01: IIRC there is a math exam in the week of UDS , so unfortunately I cant go [08:53] (again) [08:54] :( [08:55] SO which kubuntuites are going then? (apart from the bleeding obvious) [09:42] apachelogger: core restart coming up [09:43] oh noes [09:43] gonna be quick [09:43] * apachelogger braces [09:43] I need to test the release :) [09:46] \o/ [09:46] Sput: thx :) [09:48] apachelogger: looks like it worked :) [09:52] Sput: I always think that before we release a new kubuntu version, then it turns out that it is utterly broken and I am *sigh* :P [09:53] apachelogger: yeah, I'm slightly nervous because I touched a lot of code within the last 24 hours, and tagging of the final is.. pretty much now [09:53] ^^ [09:54] Name[fi]=Yksityisviesti [09:54] agateau: isnt bug 562856 a duplicate of another bug I dont seem to have in my inbox? [09:54] Launchpad bug 562856 in amarok "Amarok Notification Icon is Broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562856 [09:54] what a fun language, this finnish [09:54] * Sput notes that the 0.6 release will be much better in the translations department than 0.5 [09:54] Sput: the best part ist hat you would actually pronnounce it just like that ^^ [09:56] apachelogger: it's not a duplicate, it's a result of the dumbed-down implementation of StatusNotifierItem on GNOME [09:56] apachelogger: no tooltips => no cover art [09:56] apachelogger: no left click / right click => no minimize / maximize [09:56] (actually I like this last decision) [09:57] apachelogger: nothing we can do about that I am afraid :/ [09:57] apachelogger: but it's GNOME specific, the icon behaves correctly on KDE [09:57] hm, soudns like the gnome way of doing things ... take a sane approach, remove everything sane and leave a usibility certificate behind ;) [09:57] :D [09:58] * apachelogger actually is a supporter of the one-button usage paradigm [09:58] yes, but "no tooltip" is a stupid decision imo [09:58] a computer should be usable with just ... the power switch [09:58] the reasoning was that waiting for tooltips is painful [09:59] turn on - computer does something - turn off to stop it from doing something [09:59] so instead of fixing them (like KDE does) they removed them :/ [09:59] :) [09:59] agateau: removing seems like a much more efficient solution though [10:00] apachelogger: in terms of developer cost, probably [10:00] less code == less maintenance == less work == less people you need to pay to hold everything together [10:00] because it's not like anyone would really want to do C programming with GTK+ in their spare time ;) [10:00] * apachelogger personally finds GTKified C rather ugly [10:01] * agateau agrees [10:01] and it's not like I haven't done my share of GLib code this cycle [10:01] awww [10:01] * apachelogger hugs agateau and hands him a cookie :) [10:02] mmm... cookies :) [10:04] * apachelogger almost bought a packet of them delicoius choclate crips cookies, but fortunately rememberd that such a packet is worth a day's energy consumption ^^ [10:05] You know I am always here to help when cookies are involved [10:05] :D [10:10] "Kubuntu greatly needs a divx player for online movies" anyone knows what that is? [10:15] rgreening_: I doubt ubuntu will use your application.mneu [10:16] rgreening_: re brainstorm that is [10:18] ah yeah. the wonders of gnome "usability" [10:18] ^^ [10:18] * Sput wonders if they have anyone who has actually learned the matter professionally, like seele [10:19] I wouldn't be so arsh. There are quite a few things in gnome which kde could learn from [10:19] she pretty much comes up with research papers when such issues are decided, whereas the gnome/ubuntu side generally comes up with "but we know best, and don't argue with designers" [10:19] agateau: stress is on "a few", right? [10:20] :) [10:22] * apachelogger clones empathy ^^ [10:22] is it me or is git.gnome just slow [10:32] * Riddell does the one day to freeze dance [10:56] DarkwingDuck, jjesse: as I see it the gnome doc utils can parse mallard to html, which is exactly what you need to use it in KHC, so if you figure out how to construct the build magic for that there shouldnt be any problem regarding usage of mallard for kubuntu-docs [11:16] Riddell: it seems kmail ksni patch is gone :/ [11:16] oh? [11:17] Riddell: I haven't checked the source package yet, but at least I get the wrong icon here [11:18] does seem to not be there [11:18] Riddell: yes, just checked the source package [11:18] or rather, no, it's not there [11:18] where can I find it? [11:18] mmm [11:18] * agateau checks his people page [11:19] fail [11:19] I can mail it back to you [11:21] Riddell: sent [11:25] Hi I just installed 10.04 a few days ago on my laptop, but apart from filling out the feedback widget I haven't done anything else. What can I do to help? [11:26] agateau: don't see it [11:26] harrison: report bugs hwerever you see them. if something is broken, we want to know. [11:26] !bug | harrison [11:26] harrison: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [11:26] harrison: we'll be needed ISO testers for the next couple of weeks [11:27] Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/kmail-ksni.diff [11:28] agateau: there's nothing in the changelog about this patch, I wonder if it was ever applied [11:29] Riddell: I need to improve my tracking skills then :/ [11:29] So report any bugs I find in the beta 2, then test the next ISO's and report/confirm any bugs I find ? === jussi01 is now known as jussi [11:31] harrison: if you're able now it would be good if you could download today's daily-live CD and check for bug 538505 [11:31] Launchpad bug 538505 in ubiquity "Extremely slow reponsiveness / high CPU usage" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538505 [11:32] agateau: what's the status of that patch with upstream? [11:32] Riddell: merged [11:32] Riddell: but kmail trunk is a quite different beast [11:34] Riddell: maybe it's time for me to learn how to integrate my patches into kubuntu bzr repositories [11:35] Riddell: I'll start downloading the ISO now [11:35] harrison: great [11:38] agateau: it would still need a kubuntu-members to merge in and a kubuntu-dev to upload, and having an extra person to make sure it actually works is no bad thing [11:38] Riddell: ok [11:40] Oh, I had another question. I know a reasonable amount of python and c++ , is there a wiki or page that someone can point me to that will show me how I can help? [11:41] harrison: hanging around on this channel is a good start :) [11:41] harrison: we have a todo list https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [11:42] harrison: we're at the end of the cycle currently so less coding needed and more bugfixing and verification [11:43] and cookie munching [11:43] good bug finding and reporting always helps [11:43] * apachelogger hands out cookies [11:46] Riddell: Ah ok ^_^ well I'll start with the bug reporting/confirming and hopefully you'll see me in here more often after the main release. Thanks for all the help, Riddell and jussi [11:47] :) [12:18] apachelogger: Would you please look at my proposed fix for a quassel bug and tell me if it is a) a reasonable way to solve the problem and b) if I did it right (I'm very tired and probably not thinking well): http://paste.debian.net/68804/ [12:20] whee @ bug 562770 [12:20] Launchpad bug 562770 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement "package plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9~svn1075616-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/kded/networkmanagement.desktop', which is also in package kn..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562770 [12:20] * ScottK naps [12:25] Tonio_: ^^ [12:27] ScottK: I am wondering why to implement a new package for that and not just add the link to the existing data package? [12:28] be back later today [12:28] on that remark... the linking as implemented is pointless since it links from quassel-data to quassel-data which makes quassel-data-qt4 empty altogether [12:28] + I would carry out the link via a .links file [12:28] apachelogger: I guess it doesn't hurt there, just seemed better not to ship a pointless symlink. [12:29] apachelogger: dh_links won't link directories [12:29] ScottK: I am quite sure it does [12:29] IIRC kubuntu-default-settings links a directory [12:29] for the oxygen emoticons [12:29] Hmmm. [12:30] me@osiris:~/src/bzr/kubuntu-default-settings$ cat debian/kubuntu-default-settings.links [12:30] usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/emotes/ usr/share/emoticons/Oxygen [12:30] ah [12:30] ScottK: I think you need to create the parent directories via .dirs [12:30] looking [12:31] yeah, kds got a fancy dirs file creating usr/share/emoticons [12:31] and is missing a \n ^^ [12:31] *fix* [12:32] [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414113231-zewkka2faq8koky9 * debian/ (changelog kubuntu-default-settings.dirs) Add final newline to kubunt-default-settings.dirs [12:32] apachelogger: Any chance you'd have time to fix this up? [12:33] ScottK: is it in bzr? [12:33] apachelogger: All but that last bit that's in the pastebin [12:33] * ScottK has no bzr setup on any box that's immediately handy [12:33] I can take a look at it [12:34] apachelogger: Release tarball is at http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-0.6.0.tar.bz2 [12:34] Thanks. [12:34] me resumes napping [12:34] hm [12:34] ScottK: not using source format 3? [12:34] care if I switch? [12:34] apachelogger: No. I need to backport [12:34] ah [12:34] k [12:34] apachelogger: I do care [12:35] Thanks [12:36] ah. a packaging bug. [12:36] * Sput was getting nervous there [12:36] ^^ [12:36] actually, it's amazing that I haven't been bombed by all sorts of problems and crashes an hour after tagging yet [12:37] Sput: I could send you an ecard with a bliking pony unicorn if you feel like it [12:39] * apachelogger is playing linker ... muhahaha ^^ [12:41] Riddell: ping [12:42] yo apachelogger [12:42] Riddell: what do you think about enforcing http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics in the c++ codestyle? [12:42] * apachelogger finds that KUIT stuff very sensible [12:43] Riddell: by enforcement I mean ... in our applicatoins use whenever possible and when changing an old string, change it to KUIT [12:44] yeah, seems fine [12:45] cool, I'll add it to the spec and see what theechdnia thinks then :) [12:47] Riddell: checking the knetworkmanager bug [12:49] Riddell: well I have no choice for that, since I activated the kded service for networkmanager, the desktop file has to come with the plasmoid... [12:49] Riddell: in fact the issue was in the previous packaging from a technical perspective [12:50] Riddell: so here is my question : cause the problem only happens between 2 dev releases, should I include the conflicts/replaces thing in it or should we just consider people who play with the dev release should be able to sort out this ? [12:50] Riddell: karmic -> lucid transition should be fine afaik [12:51] Riddell: you decide what is best, I'll do it [12:51] apachelogger: how about this people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/cue.png ? [12:51] matches our boot splash [12:51] Riddell: imho, well what is important is the stable -> stable dist-upgrade [12:51] uhhh [12:51] Riddell: that could work [12:51] Tonio_: yes it needs the replaces, lots of people install betas [12:51] looks pretty slick actually [12:52] hum right [13:00] Riddell: uploaded [13:02] Tonio_: Please fix the nm recommends we discussed last night. [13:03] ScottK: hum dunno what to fix on that point lemme check [13:03] ScottK: oh only suggest and not recommends the vpn plugins ? [13:03] right [13:04] Tonio_: No, have them recommend the widget instead of the systray app [13:04] ScottK: hum I don't get why in fact... [13:05] ScottK: either for the widget or the systray app, they should only suggest it [13:05] Tonio_: Currently network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-kde [13:06] If you leave it that way and we only provide the widget, the Gnome thing gets pulled in [13:06] right [13:06] well technically it should recommend network-manager-vpnc-kde [13:07] Network-manager-openvpn needs fixing too [13:07] yeah they all need fixing [13:07] Tonio_: Can you take care of that? [13:07] ScottK: sure, although I'm not sure what you want exactly [13:07] there are 2 things... [13:07] 1/ fix the network-manager packages [13:08] 2/ fix knm-runtime which recommends the vpn plugins [13:08] Recommends: kwalletmanager, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-openvpn, network-manager-pptp, [13:08] network-manager-kde | plasma-widget-networkmanager [13:08] ScottK: I think it should not recommend, bug suggest [13:08] I want the Gnome stuff not pulled into a standard KDE install. It's also good to continue to provide the vpn/vpnc stuff too. [13:09] I think it's OK to recommend, just the NM plugins need their recommends updated to be the widget instead of KNM [13:09] I'll leave it to what you think best though. [13:10] ScottK: as I said I disagree :) [13:10] OK. [13:10] ScottK: the NM plugins need to recommend the kde equivalent package to network-manager-vpnc-gnome [13:10] which is now network-manager-vpnc-kde :) [13:10] The main thing is with the switch to the widget we suddenly started pulling Gnome stuff in [13:10] that makes a lot more sense imho [13:10] OK [13:10] So that's what needs fixing, how, I defer to you. [13:11] kk [13:15] ScottK: it seems to me that if you install a package A that depends on a package which recommends B | A [13:15] then you won't get B installed right ? that would fix your problem I guess [13:16] install network-manager-vpnc-kde which depends network-manager-vpnc which recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-vpnc-kde [13:16] Tonio_: Yes, but the key thing, IMO, is the plugin recommends are obsolete now. [13:16] * apachelogger drinks cold coffee [13:16] ScottK: I agree [13:16] ScottK: you install either network-manager-openvpn-gnome|kde [13:17] ScottK: otherwise you would favor gnome and anyone installing network-manager-vpnc will end up with gnome stuff... [13:17] Tonio_: Changing network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | network-manager-kde to recommend the widget solves the problem I'm worried about. There may be other solutions too [13:17] ScottK: also I suspect changing this won't be easy :) [13:17] Since we seed the widget, it works out if one does it this way [13:17] ScottK: it fixes your problem, but the problem will appear with people using the widget like me :) [13:17] network-manager-vpnc Recommends network-manager-vpnc-gnome | plasma-widget-networkmanagement [13:18] * apachelogger grabs a microphone, walks over to Nightrose and sings "total eclipse of the heart" with her [13:18] Tonio_: Now everyone uses the widget [13:18] ScottK: I agree, but the day we switch, same problem again :) [13:18] ScottK: I mean, I splitted the packaging in order to have the same -kde packages network-manager has -gnome packages for [13:19] so I prefer to try to fix thatway [13:19] * ScottK goes back to letting Tonio_ fix it. [13:19] in case I fail, I'll go with your option, is that oki for you ? [13:19] oki ;) [13:19] Yes [13:20] ScottK: just if you install manually network-manager-vpnc you'll end up with gnome stuff anyway [13:20] ScottK: but the gnome crew won't give a sh*t, I'm used to that :) [13:20] I think I have to ping asac on that point [13:21] * apachelogger will never sponsor an upload for lex again [13:21] way too much a headache afterwards [13:21] apachelogger: what is a headache ? [13:21] bug 554069 is [13:22] Launchpad bug 554069 in xscreensaver "xscreensaver autostarted in KDE session" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554069 [13:27] ScottK: you are aware that quassel is rpath'd? [13:27] apachelogger: I don't recall what I'm aware of about that. [13:28] ScottK: E: quassel: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/quassel /usr/lib [13:28] cmake defaults to rpathing [13:28] neversfelde: where can I find digikam 1.2? [13:28] apachelogger: Didn't Riddell make some change in pkg-kde-tools so all our packages have that? [13:28] ah [13:28] true [13:29] Riddell: what's with that anyway? [13:29] why do our packages get rpath'd again? [13:29] ScottK: lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-14 14:13 ./usr/share/apps/quassel -> ../kde4/apps/quassel [13:29] ScottK: shall I upload? [13:30] apachelogger: Yes. My test build built all the upstream stuff fine. [13:30] Please do [13:31] oh oh [13:31] ScottK: E: quassel-core: init.d-script-missing-dependency-on-remote_fs /etc/init.d/quasselcore: required-start [13:31] E: quassel-core: init.d-script-missing-dependency-on-remote_fs /etc/init.d/quasselcore: required-stop [13:31] did you look into those? [13:31] + I think we should convert to upstart for maverick [13:31] /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/kde4_flags:-DCMAKE_SKIP_RPATH:BOOL=OFF [13:31] likely that [13:32] Riddell: did we set that to off? [13:32] apachelogger: do we do something wrong with rpath in Quassel? I recall having worked with distro maintainers a *long* time ago to get it all right [13:32] (and stop Gentoo's portage from screaming QA warnings all over the place) [13:32] apachelogger: I don't remember that one [13:32] Sput: yeah, you worked with me on that too :P [13:32] apachelogger: so is it working right now or not? [13:32] Sput: but in general it should be controllable via cmake now [13:33] Sput: we have our cmake configured to rpath, for whatever reason there is [13:33] ScottK: maybe it is new, makes sense though [13:33] although I do not think that many people have /usr on a remote share [13:34] apachelogger: no Debian also has it [13:34] apachelogger: well, if we need to change something, let me know. [13:34] I've no objection to rpath anyway, I've never seen any problem with it [13:35] Sput: sure, thanks :) [13:36] Riddell: well, the only reason against rpath is that you cant move stuff around or something, and that it can break if it points at some libc dir and that gets changed for new libc version or something [13:37] then again new libc pretty much means recompile the whole archive anyway I guess [13:37] hey guys, how goes? [13:38] yo amichair [13:38] the description of bug 562991 is my best one so far [13:38] Launchpad bug 562991 in quassel "quassel init script needs to be converted to upstart job" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562991 [13:39] better than the title of kubuntu logo in kickoff is stupid and ugly ^^ [13:40] W: quassel-client: unusual-interpreter ./usr/share/applications/kde4/quasselclient.desktop #!xdg-open [13:40] oh dear [13:40] Sput: ^ [13:40] apachelogger: nice feedback graphs! (dunno what they say yet, but graphs be niiiice!) [13:40] Sput: what is the point of that? [13:41] amichair: you ask about problems other than at installation and sure enough people will come with ubiquity crashes ;) [13:42] apachelogger: what do I know [13:42] it's their way of saying 'undefined' (since post-installation doesn't exist...) [13:42] I didn't touch the .desktop files... but what would be the correct way to do it? [13:42] http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commit;h=98f404b846efa5f0fbf5d838e133e07378009a3f [13:43] Sput: ^ [13:43] Sput: there should be no shebang line at all [13:43] oh [13:43] Sput: http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commit;h=9f9be449dd60c940135dbea8bac7712dbff03148 [13:43] that one [13:43] sry [13:45] apachelogger: care going in #quassel and talk to al directly? [13:45] he's around too [13:46] intltool did that [13:46] al: stupid tool, please report a bug against that beasie [13:46] which i was told to use by you guys :> [13:46] won't do that [13:47] intltool is gnomeware, it is bound to do fynny things ^^ [13:47] last time i did that i got a pretty stupid response [13:47] that tool is a lost case [13:48] so much for KDE's scripted approach is inferior :P [13:48] al: what do you use it for anyway? [13:48] [quassel] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100414124825-bhhu2k183q4luyua * debian/ (4 files) releasing version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 [13:48] .desktop file translations [13:48] al: sync po-to-desktop file? [13:48] yea [13:49] hm, I would really go for kde's magic there [13:49] unfortunately i'm not wizard [13:49] al: I'll look into it and poke you [13:49] great :> [13:50] al: with a long point lance :P [13:50] ScottK, Sput:0.6.0 uploading [13:50] i just hope that's not a metaphor [13:51] ScottK: all 4 packages uploaded, lemme know if that doesn't fix for you [13:51] Tonio_ and apachelogger: Thank you. [13:51] oh, apachelogger: al is here too :) [13:51] Sput: I am too attracting [13:52] apachelogger: we all know that [13:52] * Sput remembers that night at the gothic club [13:52] * ScottK is off for the next ~8 hours. [13:52] * apachelogger doesnt for some reason [13:52] thanks ScottK [13:52] and apachelogger :) [13:52] though I was fat and ugly back then [13:52] simply put: I was no kubuntu dev [13:52] you're less fat now? [13:53] Sput: natural cause of digging around in mysql ... it kind of kills one's appetite [13:54] but now Kubuntu has a somewhat working akonadi [13:57] apachelogger: is this normal for a beta2 survey? looks a bit disappointing to me :-/ [13:57] we've never done one before [13:57] also [13:57] statistics rock! [13:57] it was hidden away and all [13:57] for maverick we really should add the widget to the desktop [13:58] in fact we could still do so for the rc [13:58] Riddell: thoughts? [13:58] true, but what's the sample size? the numbers in parentheses? [13:58] amichair: yeah [13:58] at the very bottom [13:59] apachelogger: bottom? [13:59] apachelogger: not for rc, for maverick we could have it as a small button on the desktop which expands into the full survey [13:59] Riddell: why not fo rc? ^^ [13:59] also the button shouldnt be too small :) [14:00] Riddell: maybe it could be a notification - once shortly after install, once a couple weeks later, something like that [14:00] a notification that stays open, that is. Not one that disappears in 2 seconds :-) [14:02] apachelogger: because freeze is in a few hours and we don't want to introduce something which could be unreliable [14:02] so, it looks like one in 4 users have problems of some sort? [14:04] my changes are not unreliable :P [14:04] but oh well, you're right [14:05] was there a similar feedback form in Ubuntu? [14:05] al: where do the translations come from? [14:05] amichair: no [14:09] apachelogger: launchpad [14:09] al: and you download them or what? [14:09] yea [14:10] what say we do something about quality and usability? maybe an emphasis in MM? or something Timelord related? [14:10] al: care to give me a url for testing? :) [14:10] gt [14:10] t [14:10] argh === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel [14:14] apachelogger: there you go: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44075714/launchpad-export.tar.gz http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44076003/launchpad-export.tar.gz [14:15] al: thanks [14:30] oh [14:30] al: looks more complicate than I thought ^^ [14:30] well, not the processing itself but wrapping around it to make the envrionment fit the constraints [14:33]