[00:52] <Phoenixz> Im using kubuntu 10.04, plasma-desktop suddenly is using like 1GB memory, kwin a good 450MB and xorg some 750MB.. since I have like 2,5GB memory, just opening firefox kicks me in swapping.. Is this a new bug? The alpha versions didn't have this issue..
[00:52] <Phoenixz> Im using Kubuntu 10.04B2 by the way
[00:53] <raj> guys i have a question. what would the problem be. if the CD refuses to install at all costs no matter how i partition the drive. on the hard drive i formated it to EXT4 and it still says 4 GIG used then when i tried to install it stops and gives me a DVD/CD and/or a HDD error. is the drive filled with bad sectors? I dont finish the install no matter what CD i use. even if i use my external DVD drive. its not the CD drive or the CD itse
 lf ( tried multiple ones) can any1 tell me what could it be? i thought the even with bad sectors it still should install. or is the HDD locked?
[00:55] <iconmefisto> raj: what cd are you installing from?
[00:56] <raj> iconmefisto:  i tried ubuntu kubuntu and linux mint. does a bad drive refuse to install at all cost?
[00:57] <iconmefisto> raj: not sure. suppose it could
[00:58] <iconmefisto> raj: I read somewhere about a bug in livecd, it would not install if you chose the installer at boot, but it would install if you ran in live mode and started the install when booted
[00:59] <iconmefisto> raj: 9.10 ?
[00:59] <raj> iconmefisto:  yeah i knew about that bug but i tried both ways... well i guess im out of luck
[00:59] <raj> iconmefisto:  yeah 9.10 and 9.04
[00:59] <iconmefisto> raj: I suppose disk problems is the most likely cause
[01:00] <raj> iconmefisto:  even if i troed to partition it to see if i can miss the bad sectors i still get 500 MBS used if i make a 35 GIGS partition .. i think the disk is wack
[01:01] <iconmefisto> raj: how old is it?
[01:02] <iconmefisto> not that it really matters that much. even a new disk can have problems
[01:03] <raj> iconmefisto:  i have no idea i just got it to repair it. it had vista on it with no genuine key so i had to reformat and imnstall linux .. but when i did that it wouldnt install linux at all
[01:05] <iconmefisto> raj: are there sata bios settings you can play around with maybe
[01:05] <raj> iconmefisto:  nope. the bios is very limited .. its a small business laptop .. dell 1510.
[01:06] <raj> iconmefisto:  could the HDD be locked to run only NTSF and windows? is that even possible?
[01:06] <iconmefisto> raj: not as far as I know
[01:39] <rogue780> ok...so I've managed to kill kde...I hit xkill on the...'taskbar'...by mistake. how do I restart kde without losing the apps I have open which I can't get to since they're in another virtual desktop and I disabled shortcut keys?
[01:46] <tsimpson> rogue780: you need to start "plasma-desktop"
[01:46] <tsimpson> see if Alt-F2 still works or if you have a shell open
[01:52] <gonzalo_> hola!!
[02:02] <douglastibr> hello everybody
[02:02] <douglastibr> someone can help me about postfix + courier-imap ?
[02:06] <rogue780> tsimpson, thanks! you're a life saver
[02:24] <Scunizi> just found a bug.. after installing samba-server-configuration the launcher contains "gksu <package name>" so it won't load in kde.. I changed it to kdesudo <package name> and it works fine.. the package manager should offer two versions or automatically reconfigure the launcher.
[02:46] <tsimpson> Scunizi: did you file the bug?
[02:46] <Scunizi> tsimpson: not yet.. been distracted..
[02:47] <Scunizi> tsimpson: any idea where I can find the icon for samba? .. once I changed the launcher it lost the icon
[02:48] <James147> Scunizi: possibally somewhere in /usr/share/icons/oxygen/
[02:51] <tsimpson> /usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/places/network-workgroup.png looks like a good one
[02:56] <Scunizi> tsimpson: had to use locate to find it.. /usr/share/app-install/icons/system-config-samba.png
[02:57] <Scunizi> tsimpson: also found out that adding the launcher to the panel it disappeared from the k menu.. :(
[02:58] <Scunizi> oops.. actually it moved to "Lost and Found" menu.. errrrrr
[03:35] <francesco_> itali?
[03:36] <genii> !it
[03:40] <jacob_> hey room
[03:40] <jacob_> windows sux
[05:08] <contrast> Greets, everyone... I'm having a rather odd issue-- my Up key will, with no apparent cause, stop working until I restart X. I've pastebinned the output of xev when pressing the Up key here: http://pastebin.com/UR48Zcc3 . Any ideas?
[05:39] <Scunizi> contrast: does it move the mouse? if so then take a look at the settings for Assistive Technology or some such..
[05:43] <contrast> Scunizi: Nope, but thanks anyway.
[07:16] <pawan> hi
[07:17] <pawan> cant restart immediatley
[07:17] <pawan> 30 sec delay
[07:17] <pawan> how to get rid
[08:01] <ubuntu> What are some of the features that need to be fine tuned before official release of Kubuntu?
[08:03] <iconmefisto> !lucid
[08:03] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: #ubuntu+1 for lucid questions
[08:05] <cjae> Hi using kde 4,4.2 does google earth play nice with kde yet? tried back in kde 4.1 and it there was issue
[08:06] <AlvaroEP> How do I connect my Sprint USB wireless internet with Kubuntu?
[08:07] <AlvaroEP> Right now I am using Kubuntu on VMware with Windows XP as host.
[08:08] <AlvaroEP> By the way, for all of the developers working on Ubuntu, Kubuntu and all it's rerivartives, you are doing an excellent job!
[08:08] <AlvaroEP> I plan to be a contributor in the near future.
[08:14] <MadMouse[laptop]> cjae, my Google Earth is working fine on Kubuntu 9.10 with kde 4.4
[08:24] <cjae> MadMouse[laptop]: thanks
[08:40] <vivek> hi! can someone tell me of a good UML tool
[08:40] <vivek> and yes free one :-)
[08:52] <vivek> got it thanks!
[09:21] <st4aluck> Pls help me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[09:23] <31NAAODJ5> hi gays
[09:32] <st4aluck> 31NAAODJ5: you are "gay" or gui:)))
[09:33] <31NAAODJ5> :]
[09:33] <vivek> hii.. a few days back I had installed Klam AV on my system .. but yesterday I had uninstalled it.. however when i open the system monitor i can still see a process called clmad (username clamav) using a memoy of 90.5MB... why is it so and can someone please help with that
[09:38] <vivek> bigbrovar:hii.. a few days back I had installed Klam AV on my system .. but yesterday I had uninstalled it.. however when i open the system monitor i can still see a process called clmad (username clamav) using a memoy of 90.5MB... why is it so and can someone please help with that
[09:39] <st4aluck> I need somebody to talk about my toshiba laptop https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/553084
[09:40] <bigbrovar> vivek: have u tried sudo aptitude remove clamav-daemon clamav
[09:40] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Sounds like an ACPI issue...
[09:40] <vivek> bigbrovar: no i will do that now
[09:40] <st4aluck> I have something els to say
[09:41] <st4aluck> Eruaran:
[09:41] <31NAAODJ5> someone know the maximum number of rows for calc 3.2?
[09:41] <31NAAODJ5> 'cause in openoffice channel everyone's sleeping :]
[09:41] <Eruaran> st4aluck: I'm not sure what the issue is but I know Toshiba do funny things sometimes with their hardware...
[09:42] <bigbrovar> Klam AV  the kde fronend to clamav which is more backend/commandline app. installing klam AV would install clam AV as a dependencies. however removing Klam AV might not remove clamav the background commanline app which would still be running.
[09:42] <vivek> bigbrovar: it says it will have to remove the following files:"clamav-base{u} clamav-daemon clamav-freshclam{u} libclamav6{u} libtommath0{u}".. is it ok removing the last package"libtommath0{u})
[09:42] <bigbrovar> Y?
[09:42] <st4aluck> Eruaran: ~$ /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose This CPU has nx in the flags, so the BIOS is not disabling it.
[09:43] <bigbrovar> vivek:
[09:43] <vivek> bigbrovar: yes
[09:43] <st4aluck> Eruaran: do you tink is something relared to my problem
[09:43] <vivek> bigbrovar: i had earlier used the command sudo apt-get remove clamav
[09:44] <Eruaran> st4aluck: maybe see if Toshiba has an update for your laptop's BIOS
[09:44] <vivek> bigbrovar: and now when i use this command you gave me .. it says it will have to remove all these packages"clamav-base{u} clamav-daemon clamav-freshclam{u} libclamav6{u} libtommath0{u}".. shall i go ahead
[09:44] <bigbrovar> sure
[09:45] <vivek> bigbrovar:ok
[09:45] <st4aluck> Eruaran: EruaranIt gave me masage that I have to unable the NX cpu security at the bios
[09:45] <Eruaran> st4aluck: I had kernel errors using my old Asus motherboard, a BIOS update fixed the problem.
[09:45] <st4aluck> Eruaran: but there is no such option
[09:45] <vivek> bigbrovar:thanks a tonne
[09:46] <bigbrovar> vivek: aptitude is more powerful than apt-get. while apt-get remove only removes the package, aptitude removes the package and all its dependencies which are not being used by any other application
[09:46] <bigbrovar> vivek: np
[09:46] <vivek> bigbrovar: while installing a package also should aptitude be used instead of apt-get
[09:46] <Eruaran> st4aluck: What model is your Toshiba laptop?
[09:46] <st4aluck> Eruaran: do you think that I can do bios updated by myself?!
[09:47] <st4aluck> Eruaran: its A205-S4567
[09:47] <bigbrovar> vivek: well personally i use aptitude. for installation there is not much different between both of them.
[09:47] <vivek> bigbrovar:ok will do that from next time :-)
[09:47] <st4aluck> Eruaran: As I know it's a bit dangerouse to do the bios update if you are not very competent
[09:48] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Is your Toshiba a Satellite?
[09:48] <bigbrovar> vivek: just that most times i find aptitude is better at resolving dependency issues and also it often install recommended packages (which u may not want)
[09:48] <st4aluck> Eruaran: yeah Satellite
[09:48] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Ok, let me check
[09:48] <st4aluck> Eruaran: 10x
[09:49] <Eruaran> st4aluck: If you look underneath the laptop do you see a model number starting with PSA?
[09:50] <vivek> bigbrovar: if you are free enough can you explain what is this concept of desktop activities.. cant i just have many virtual desktops and have different widgets,wallpapers etc on each of them,KDE 4.4.2 does let you do that. if both are the same why should there be the concept of desktop atcivities or is there some difference
[09:51] <st4aluck> Eruaran: Wait I will give it to you
[09:51] <bigbrovar> vivek: to be honest i dont really understand or use desktop activities. here is what i think its for. (and dont quote me on this, its not gospel)
[09:52] <st4aluck> Eruaran: PSAF0U-01P009
[09:52] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Thanks
[09:52] <bigbrovar> vivek: desktop activities allows the user to have different desktop profiles for different activities. like a deskto profile for work and one for home.
[09:53] <bigbrovar> vivek: hence i can have a desktop activity for work which has widgets like calender, and stuff of that activity desktop
[09:54] <vivek> bigbrovar: is it not the same as just 2 virtual desktops .. one for home and one for office.. the home dtop can have its widgets and office dtop can have widgets like calendar etc etc
[09:54] <bigbrovar> vivek: and for home i have a different desktop which has media player widget on the desktop. so when am at work i just use the work activity and when am at home i use the home activity
[09:55] <bigbrovar> vivek: not really cus 2 virtual desktops is just for switching workspaces... so u can have more places to manager your windows and applications
[09:55] <bigbrovar> vivek: but like i said am not a guru at desktop activities, i dont know how to use it nor do i care
[09:56] <vivek> bigbrovar: hmm same here till now.. lol.. anyway thanks buddy.....!
[09:56] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Give me a few minutes and I will see what I can find out about this model
[09:56] <st4aluck> Eruaran: 10X
[10:03] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Latest BIOS version for your laptop is ACPI Flash BIOS version 5.20
[10:04] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Check what version your BIOS is, if its an older one you should update it... the only problem is Toshiba only give you a Windows installer.
[10:05] <Eruaran> st4aluck: It can be downloaded here - http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/modelContent.jsp?ct=SB&os=&category=&moid=1702255&rpn=PSAF0U&modelFilter=A205-S4567&selCategory=3&selFamily=1073768663
[10:07] <st4aluck> Eruaran: Mine is 1.0
[10:07] <Eruaran> st4aluck: lol :P
[10:07] <Eruaran> st4aluck: It's really old then :)
[10:07] <st4aluck> Do you think that the problem with the battery mode is from the bios
[10:08] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Its a distinct possibility
[10:08] <st4aluck> Eruaran: so I have to install windows in purpose to update the Bios
[10:08] <Eruaran> st4aluck: unfortunately yes
[10:09] <st4aluck> Eruaran: I am again fucked up:(((
[10:10] <st4aluck> Eruaran: would it matter if I install it on onother hard drive?
[10:12] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Before you try this... Disable graphics support(i.e 'no desktop effects'), and see if you still have the same problem.
[10:13] <st4aluck> Eruaran: I already tried that. It doesn't work too
[10:14] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Ok
[10:14] <st4aluck> Shall give the computer to a shop to have the new bios or I can do it by myself
[10:15] <st4aluck> Eruaran: Shall give the computer to a shop to have the new bios or I can do it by myself
[10:16] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Have you tried changing your power management settings?
[10:17] <st4aluck> Eruaran: not yeat, but I dont tink it will solve the problem cause I even tried to run live CD and its the same
[10:20] <Eruaran> st4aluck: try resetting your BIOS to default settings and then changing your power management to 'Performance'
 Eruaran: would it matter if I install it on onother hard drive? -- No, it shouldn't matter
[10:22] <st4aluck> Eruaran: look I have a spare disk on which I can install windows and upgrade the bios to 5.20, cause my spu can't run on dynamic mode but only on low freq
[10:23] <st4aluck> Eruaran: when I reset the bios to default it fucks up-freezes
[10:23] <Eruaran> st4aluck: Yes, if you have a spare disk then do a basic Windows install on it, download the BIOS exe file and install/run it to update
[10:24] <st4aluck> Eruaran: it's because of the cpu frequancies
[10:24] <Eruaran> st4aluck: If resetting the BIOS makes things worse then its definitely a BIOS issue and I'd recommend updating it
[10:24] <st4aluck> Thanks mate, see you after the upgrade
[10:25] <Eruaran> st4aluck: I know its a pain but hopefully it will resolve the issue or at least make resolving the issue a lot easier
[10:25] <Eruaran> st4aluck: No worries
[10:28] <st4aluck> Bye!:)))
[11:10] <giuseppe_> ciao
[11:10] <giuseppe_> !list
[11:53] <howlymowly> hi poeple... short question about knetwork manager:  I want to use it to connect to a wpa2 network with tunneled tls PAP encryption with a certificate.. but it just does not work..  it says "activating" connection and nothing else.. I know that my connection data are right, because using the nm-applet from gnome under kde this works...  just setting up the nm-applet under kde is a little annoying..
[11:53] <howlymowly> that's why i want to stay witht he knetworkmanager
[11:54] <howlymowly> (ahh btw. I am on ubuntu lucid)
[11:54] <howlymowly> i mean kubuntu lucid
[12:15] <beshr> KDE sucks
[12:16] <beshr> Gnome rulez
[12:16] <bigjools> such insight
[12:26] <pablo_> hello
[12:27] <pablo_> hello
[12:27] <pablo_> is someone there?
[12:27] <pablo_> i am a teacher from spain
[12:27] <pablo_> and i want to show this resource to my students this afternoon
[12:28] <pablo_> in 7 hours aprox
[12:28] <pablo_> I am teaching them linux and i want to show this channel
[12:28] <pablo_> there will be any problem?
[12:29] <pablo_> we will be 30 persons with the samen IP
[12:29] <pablo_> is anybody there?
[12:29] <pablo_> could someone write something, please?
[12:30] <Vge> afaik there will be no problems
[12:30] <Tm_T> pablo_: no problems on that
[12:31] <pablo_> I do not know, they are teenagers, i hope they stay good
[12:32] <Tm_T> pablo_: we'll try to keep channel clean, thanks for notifying us (:
[12:33] <Tm_T> pablo_: if you see anything alarming, you can call ops by using "!ops | reason"
[12:33] <pablo_> thnks you for this resource, i will see you this afterneoon
[12:33] <pablo_> ok, thanks for all
[12:35] <kaddi> !ext4
[12:35] <kaddi> is there any developpement on making ext4 partitions available from windows installs?
[12:47] <Unterfranke> hi
[12:48] <Unterfranke> !de
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:35] <kaddi> howdy :)
[14:15] <Hazamonzo> Hey folks. How might i go about setting RecordMyDesktop to record the sound coming from my speakers (master sound in KMix) instead of my mic? In RecordMyDesktop the sound device is set to record from DEFAULT
[14:15] <Hazamonzo> I tried to set this to MASTER but its crashed RecordMyDesktop
[14:17] <iconmefisto> Hazamonzo: can you set it to pcm?
[14:18] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Worth a shot
[14:18] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: I can set it to anything really (its just a text field)
[14:19] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Hmm. no luck
[14:19] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: I found this http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/rug/p1_3c.php
[14:20] <Hazamonzo> but my Use jack for audio capture is disabled
[14:21] <iconmefisto> Hazamonzo: try hw:0,0
[14:22] <iconmefisto> do you have just 1 soundcard?
[14:23] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Indeed. a 5.1 onboard job
[14:24] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: We are getting somewhere. Setting it to hw:0,0 didn't cause RMD to throw an error
[14:24] <Hazamonzo> but instead no sound was recorded
[14:25] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Found a video.. could help
[14:25] <Hazamonzo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJi580BAb8
[14:25] <Hazamonzo> just wathcing it now
[14:25] <FloodBotK3> Hazamonzo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:29] <iconmefisto> Hazamonzo: how about plughw:0,0
[14:30] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Again it records okay but no sound. Following this video tutorial im told to...
[14:30] <Hazamonzo> ls -la /proc/asound/
[14:31] <Hazamonzo> And i can see Intel
[14:31] <Hazamonzo> ls -la /proc/asound/Intel
[14:31] <Hazamonzo> thats lists pcm0c, pcm0p, pcm1c, pcm1p
[14:32] <Hazamonzo> Im told c = capture and p = playback
[14:32] <Hazamonzo> but why i have two copies of capture and playback i don't know
[14:33] <iconmefisto> Hazamonzo: looks like 2 pcm's pcm0 and pcm1
[14:33] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Sorry this is probablt a stupid qustion.. but PCM stands for>?
[14:34] <iconmefisto> pulse code modulation
[14:34] <Hazamonzo> o.0
[14:34] <iconmefisto> it's the digital audio in computers
[14:35] <Hazamonzo> Okay. so the video goes on to say we choose (in this case he chooses a capture)
[14:35] <Hazamonzo> but i assume i want to select a playback device
[14:35] <Hazamonzo> since i want the sound coming rfom my speakers?
[14:35] <Hazamonzo> (sorry for all the typos)
[14:37] <iconmefisto> Hazamonzo: I think so. makes sense to me
[14:38] <Hazamonzo> okay. so if i choose to get info on one of mt PCM playback devices..
[14:38] <Hazamonzo> hazamonzo@hobbes:~$ cat /proc/asound/Intel/pcm0p/info
[14:38] <Hazamonzo> im told this playback devide is card: 0
[14:38] <Hazamonzo> device: 0
[14:39] <Hazamonzo> so it would make sense to set RMD to use hw:0,0
[14:39] <Hazamonzo> But we already tried that and nothing. So i guess i will try the second PCM
[14:39] <Hazamonzo> hw:0,1
[14:42] <ubuntu> is this working or not
[14:42] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: is what working?
[14:43] <Hazamonzo> ubuntu: Your irc client on the live CD?
[14:43] <ubuntu> since you are answering i think it is working iconmefisto
[14:44] <iconmefisto> oh ok
[14:44] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: hw:0,1 fails :(
[14:44] <Hazamonzo> Couldn't open PCM device hw:0,1
[14:44] <Hazamonzo> Error while opening/configuring soundcard hw:0,1
[14:44] <Hazamonzo> Error log for RMD
[14:44] <Hazamonzo> maybe it was never meant to be? :)
[14:48] <ubuntu> Hazamonzo: yes this is from the live cd.i have never tried this ubuntu before so im testing it via the cd
[14:48] <Hazamonzo> ubuntu: Good stuff :)
[14:49] <ubuntu> Hazamonzo: im really surprised,it's working perfectly on this old machine
[14:50] <iconmefisto> Hazamonzo: have you tried xvidcap? I've had better luck with that one, but the interface is kind of awkward
[14:51] <Hazamonzo> iconmefisto: Ive tried so many :)
[15:05] <chi_> hey people! can you tell me, if there is difference in installing beta 2 or another premature release?
[15:06] <tsimpson> chi_: beta 2 is not the quality of a full release
[15:07] <chi_> tsimpson: also if one was about to update daily?
[15:08] <tsimpson> the beta is just less stable and incomplete compared to a full release, if you choose to run it you should probably expect some issues
[15:08] <tsimpson> but it's close to release now anyway
[15:09] <chi_> yeah, ive justed betas before. But since this will be an LTS release, i plan to use the same installation for a long time. my only concern is:  if i install beta2 ... will it shortcomings be fixed by installing the updates available?  ( so to say upgrade to final release ) ....
[15:10] <genii> chi_: Yes
[15:10] <chi_> and besides ... does kubuntu built the final freeze (as anounced for ubuntu)?
[15:11] <tsimpson> yes, there is no difference from installing beta 2 and updating regularly, and installing 10.04 when it's released
[15:11] <chi_> good to know and thank you
[16:07] <gorn> hi
[16:26] <nacho2k> hi guys, how are you doing? I am having a little issue, after restarting my kubuntu all fonts has converted in VERY HUGE ! and I am not able to use the system..
[16:26] <nacho2k> anybody knows where is located the fontsize so I could Changed it manually by console?
[16:27] <nacho2k> I have already try to remove .kde folder on my user but stills the issue..
[16:34] <snoopy_> helow
[16:34] <appleseed_> Hi there. If I take a hdd with a 64bit Ubuntu installation on and move it from the original AMD machine to a new i7 rig with the exact same gfx, will ubuntu and the KDE gui work?
[16:48] <James147> appleseed_: it should, you may or may not need to edit /etc/fstab though
[16:50] <appleseed_> James147: Makes sense. Another thing, if the PC has 8GB RAM, do I need a swap drive? And if I hibernate?
[16:51] <rmrfslash> RC coming anytime soon?
[16:51] <rmrfslash> who gots the indsider info
[16:52] <rmrfslash> appleseed: you may have issues w/ dev proc sysconfig and all kinds of other stuff
[16:52] <James147> appleseed_: you need a swap drive (or file) to be albe to hibernate, wiuth 8 gigs you dont really need one otherwise
[16:53] <appleseed_> Ok thx guys. I was just trying to figure out how to use a 80GB SSD optimally, I'll settle for a 10GB swapspace then.
[16:53] <rmrfslash> /sys/devices might be anothe point of peril
[16:54] <James147> appleseed_: you could try a swap file, then you can easaly resize or delete it without worrying about resizing partitions
[16:55] <appleseed_> Due to the installer asking for a separate swap partition I've never considered a swap file on the root partition, but I imagined it would be possible. Thx for reminding me
[16:56] <James147> appleseed_: :) i tend to tuse files now and ignore the installer
[16:56] <rmrfslash> did i miss like 1/2 the conversation?
[16:56] <rmrfslash> or, all of it
[16:57] <appleseed_> I believe you got the gist of it, thx for the advice rmrfslash
[16:57] <rmrfslash> it started w/ you wanting to just pick up a hard drive from one machine and plop it into another machine and you expect it to boot
[16:57] <rmrfslash> correct?
[16:58] <appleseed_> Hehe, that was a different question yes, I may have confused some.
[16:58] <rmrfslash> oh... so I totally missed something then
[17:00] <appleseed_> Another question for you, atm my kubuntu lucid installation takes 10GB, will I be OK with a 30GB root partition if I am going to also put a <10GB swap file on that partition?
[17:00] <Tm_T> K'day
[17:01] <Torch> appleseed_: probably yes.
[17:01] <Torch> appleseed_: i have a lot of stuff installed and hardly use more than 12 to 15 gib for root
[17:03] <appleseed_> Torch: Thanks
[17:05] <James147> lucid really taking more then 10gig? never had any kubuntu version previouly taking more then 10 :S
[17:07] <James147> appleseed_: one thing to note, swap dosnt like ssd verymuch yet (think the have a lower read/write life time then normal hdd and swap causes alot of r/w)
[17:07] <appleseed_> James147: A very lucid observation, I will keep that in mind thx.
[17:08] <James147> appleseed_: I would be tempted to put the swap on an older hdd if you have one rather then the ssd :) but thats probally just me being paranoid
[17:10] <appleseed_> James147: My only gripe is that waking from hibernation takes an age and a half currently with my 1TB Seagate 7200.12.
[17:11] <James147> appleseed_: kk, was just a suggestion :) if you want speed then swap on an ssd would be fast, just wanted to note the ware :S
[17:13] <Torch> appleseed_: that's because linux and hibernate doesn't work very well.
[17:13] <Torch> appleseed_: suspens to ram, if you can
[17:14] <appleseed_> James147: It's a very interesting thing; I have read on a Tom's hardware SSD study that, at least with the Intel X25-M 80GB, you can write 500GB of data on the SSD everyday and the drive will still work the same in 10 years time, or something like that.
[17:14] <appleseed_> Torch: I was under the impression that it was the same thing, hibernate and suspend to ram, thx for informing me
[17:16] <Torch> appleseed_: not at all.
[17:17] <Torch> appleseed_: suspend to ram still needs power, hibernate (or suspend to disk) does not.
[17:17] <Torch> appleseed_: but the former works a lot better on linux and is way quicker.
[17:19] <appleseed_> Torch: I was thinking about 'Suspend to Disk' rather, which was not the same as hibernate when I tested it.
[17:20] <Torch> appleseed_: the terms are used interchangably. or at least i am not aware of any difference.
[17:20] <Torch> appleseed_: just look at KDE's kickoff menu.
[17:21] <appleseed_> Torch: You see under Power Profile menu you can set a shortcut for 'Suspend to Disk', and when this shortcut is pressed, I get a fatal error of sorts, as opposed to a working hibernation used under kickoff.
[17:22] <Torch> appleseed_: that's a bug, then, i guess.
[17:41] <luckwisher> hi
[17:41] <luckwisher> anyone managed to get some useful things out of nepomuk ?
[17:44] <appleseed_> James147: I may have exaggerated there, Intel guarantees a 5 year lifetime for the X25-M SSD with an average write of 20GB/day
[17:44] <James147> appleseed_: heard alot of differnt values, but generally heard of them waring out quicker (mind, i havnt look at them in about a year )
[17:56] <appleseed_> James147: It's actually far more than 20GB: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2614/4: Intel went one step further and delivered 5x what the OEMs requested. Thus Intel will guarantee that you can write 100GB of data to one of its MLC SSDs every day, for the next five years, and your data will remain intact.
[17:57] <giampo78> ciao a tutti
[17:57] <giampo78> volevo un paio d'informazioni
[17:57] <giampo78> ho da poco installato kubuntu e volevo capire xke se vedo i video su firefox mi vanno a scatti
[17:58] <giampo78> o meglio ogni 3/4 sec prendono un sec di ritardo anche se il filmato è già stato scaricato
[17:59] <geekphreak> howdy all
[17:59] <giampo78> e poi ho il backup della posta di windows mail volevo sapere se esiste su linux un prg alternativo ke legge il bck e se potevate aiutarmi ad installarlo
[17:59] <geekphreak> question can i use kopete to connect to irc?
[17:59] <alakoo> !ita
[17:59] <alakoo> !it
[18:00] <geekphreak> do i need extra plugin or something  for kopete to connect to irc?
[18:00] <geekphreak> anyone?
[18:01] <alakoo> geekphreak: I think it's there as default
[18:01] <geekphreak> alakoo: i dont see it
[18:01] <alakoo> but why so keen on kopete, konversation and pidgin have better options
[18:01] <geekphreak> i want to use the default application dont want to install 1 more application for it
[18:02] <Torch> geekphreak: it used to. probably this got removed because it wasn't useful  compared to konversation.
[18:02] <Torch> geekphreak: kubuntu's irc default app is quassel.
[18:02] <geekphreak> Torch:  oh ok thanks mate, i really think they should add it back again
[18:03] <geekphreak> Torch:  i normally use pidgin , but would have been nice if fkopete worked as empathy seems to be broken  for me , i am working on it :)
[18:04] <Torch> geekphreak: kopete works fine.
[18:04] <Torch> geekphreak: it's just no longer supporting irc.
[18:04] <geekphreak> it does a good job yes , but just no irc :(
[18:04] <geekphreak> i will get konversation as suggested
[18:04] <Torch> geekphreak: a good choice.
[18:05] <geekphreak> thanks for the help guys :)
[18:06] <appleseed_> geekphreak: I use Quassel, at least in lucid, it has very good KDE integration
[18:06] <geekphreak> appleseed_: i am on lucid
[18:06] <appleseed_> geekphreak: it should be there by default then
[18:06] <geekphreak> i will get both will see which suits me :)
[18:08] <geekphreak> its installing now , be right back
[18:11] <geekphreak> i am back on quassel , looks descent
[18:13] <JuJuBee> I need help getting eclipse with pdt installed on Jaunty.  Any help?
[18:14] <geekphreak> JuJuBee:  just download and use
[18:14] <JuJuBee> I can't see where to create a new Php project.
[18:14] <geekphreak> JuJuBee: goto eclipse site, download eclipse-pdt , use that
[18:15] <geekphreak> dont think they have eclipse-pdt still on repos
[18:15] <geekphreak> can i post link for pdt here?
[18:16] <smbenny> hello
[18:17] <smbenny> !list
[18:17] <JuJuBee> geekphreak: I was using the one from repos.  Now I have php projects.  Thanks
[18:17] <geekphreak> JuJuBee:  ok
[18:18] <smbenny> there is italian?
[18:19] <geekphreak> JuJuBee:  i use this http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/downloads/
[18:27] <geekphreak> this  is much better
[18:28] <geekphreak> Torch:  you were right :)
[18:28] <Hazamonzo> hmm, http://imagebin.ca/view/0CI-Fu.html does that mean im using all my ram and swap or i have all that ram and swap spare?
[18:29] <Torch> geekphreak: about what?
[18:29] <geekphreak> Torch: that konversation client is good
[18:29] <Torch> geekphreak: it's the best i've ever seen
[18:30] <geekphreak> nice, yup looks good , will have to play with it a wee bit
[18:31] <geekphreak> Torch:  any setting on it i should be looking for ?
[18:32] <Torch> geekphreak: the defaults are fine.
[18:32] <geekphreak> ok
[18:32] <James147> Hazamonzo: use the command "free -m" to see how much you are actually using (the line showing -/+ buffers/cache)
[18:32] <Torch> geekphreak: might want to have a channel list at the left instead of tabs if you have more than a couple of channels
[18:33] <Torch> geekphreak: i also turn on marker lines
[18:34] <geekphreak> oh ok make sense will do that
[18:34] <Hazamonzo> James147: http://imagebin.ca/view/QxyrQ71k.html
[18:38] <James147> Hazamonzo: shows your using 3179/3276 of your memory :S I think programs are only using 1986 of it though, the difference is buffers and caches
[18:38] <James147> Hazamonzo: and very little swap is being used
[18:39] <geekphreak> Torch: how do i move it to left :)
[18:40] <geekphreak> oh wow it even has a url catcher
[18:41] <Hazamonzo> James147: Good thing or bad thing?
[18:42] <fifth> what video plugin do most use for firefox in kde4? I've used totem/vlc before but is there a kde option for the likes of dragon player?
[18:42] <ivo````> !nvidia
[18:42] <James147> Hazamonzo: depends on what your doing, 2gigs of used memory is quite alot (the buffers and caches arent that inmportant, my system reads used: 1992/2008  but programs only using 790)
[18:43] <fif> fifth: mplayer i think has it too
[18:43] <Hazamonzo> James147: Hmm i run alot of java based tools here.. And some servers
[18:43] <fifth> fif: cool, thx ... I forgot about mplayer
[18:44] <fif> :)
[18:49] <geekphreak> oh well will work on it later
[18:49] <geekphreak> too tired at this point of time
[18:55] <geekphreak> goodnight all
[18:59] <vbgunz> I have KDE 4.4.2 on Kubnuntu 9.10. I just bought a Canon MP250 and downloaded the debian drivers and printing works. I have a bunch of printing options in system settings. Which controls the printing so that I don't waste so much ink?
[19:06] <ivo_> Hey. I'm uding an nVidia 9600GT with proprietary drivers. All the text looks blurry.
[19:06] <ivo_> What's going on?
[19:07] <sn0man> In Ubuntu it's best to use gksudo when running in graphical, does anyone know if there is a similar/alternative for KDE?
[19:08] <sn0man> @ivo_ you probably need to adjust your resolution to the native resolution for your monitor.  Assuming you are using an LCD
[19:09] <ivo_> sn0man: Correct.
[19:09] <ivo_> The maximum resolution is 1360x768
[19:10] <tsimpson> sn0man: kdesudo
[19:10] <ivo_> That's a bit underestimated, since it could run at 1900xsomething in Win7
[19:10] <sn0man> ahh, thanks tsimpson.
[19:11] <sn0man> @ivo_ you probably just need to manually add the resolution you want to your xorg config file
[19:11] <ivo_> Okay, I'll do that.
[19:12] <sn0man> @ivo_ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[19:38] <CartoonCat> hello
[19:39] <CartoonCat> looking for help with some BT, I hve a Eris and a Saga and i want ot sync them both to my contacts, what app is used on the pc side?
[19:45] <James147> :)
[20:05] <lalalol> is someone canadian in here?
[21:05] <fifth> anyone using lucid? I'm trying to find the best solution for firefox with embedded wav/avi/etc files ... got xine going for now but not ideal ... mozilla-mplayer is deprecated, official solution is gecko-mediaplayer, but that uses  the Gnome version of MPlayer ... was looking for a KDE/Qt solution?
[21:06] <rork> fifth: you may want to ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:07] <fifth> ok thanks rork ... I'll try there
[21:09]  * starshiptrooper drags a dead kdewebdev bug through the channel leaving a trail of slime behind
[21:15] <patoneill> can't drag folders to an external drive
[21:16] <patoneill> drive is hfs extended
[21:17] <James147> patoneill: using dolphin?
[21:17] <patoneill> yes
[21:19] <James147> patoneill: what error are you getting?
[21:20] <scb> Hello. I am using the KDE 4.4 backports. After I close my lid or suspend, the screen gets locked. This would be alright BUT everytime I try to move the mouse or press some keys the unlock dialog never comes up. The only way I can unlock my screen is to killall -9 kscreenlocker a few times in pts/1, Any idea?
[21:21] <James147> scb: you can try disabling the screen locking (System settings -> Advanced -> Power managment)
[21:22] <scb> James147: I want to be able to lock the screen.
[21:22] <scb> Specially when suspending or closing the lid.
[21:24] <patoneill> error is: access denied to /media/Courier_Drive/yard-05.
[21:24] <avihay> scb: I belive I saw other screen locking software. you can, in the worst case, add them to the close lid and suspend scripts
[21:25] <scb> avihay: Excellent, where can I find those scripts?
[21:25] <scb> I guess I can change it to xlock
[21:25] <scb> Or something
[21:26] <patoneill> i get the same thing with cp in bash unless i use sudo but there are too many files this time for bash
[21:26] <avihay> well, there should be /etc/acpi/resume.d
[21:26] <patoneill> i'd like to be able to just drag a folder anyway as this is something i need to do repeatedly
[21:26] <scb> avihay: Let me check.
[21:27] <avihay> just /etc/acpi
[21:28] <scb> avihay: sleep.sh passes the work to KDE.
[21:28] <snoozy> ALGUEM É BRASILEIRO ?
[21:29] <snoozy> OI ALGUM, BRASILEIRO?
[21:30] <James147> patoneill: its probally a premissio problem, my guess is that the folder is owned by root
[21:32] <patoneill> no. not owned by root.
[21:43] <jimmy51_> hello, i'm getting a very ugly Go Upgrade! message when i try to open youtube videos in firefox on kubuntu 9.10.  it looks like youtube is being a jerk to firefox users.  anyone hit this?
[21:45] <scb> jimmy51_: I think I have seen it in grooveshark too.
[21:46] <jimmy51_> i read that youtube sets the video height to 0 or 1 px until the flash version is read.  if they don't like your flash version or can't read it, they block it.
[21:46] <jimmy51_> i don't know if that's the case, but it seems reasonable
[21:46] <jimmy51_> but ridiculous for youtube to do
[21:47] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[22:05] <eu> hi
[22:05] <eu> anybody knows why kubuntu has a 800x600 resolution in a Virtual Box (Sun)?
[22:06] <eu> or how to increase it?
[22:06] <jaime1970> join #kubuntu-es
[22:07] <jaime1970> join #ubuntu-es
[22:08] <patoneill> how do i check disk space with 9.1?
[22:12] <fifth> patoneill: not sure on gui, but from console you can type "df -h"
[22:15] <NinoScript> Hi!
[22:15] <NinoScript> I just installed kubuntu-desktop
[22:15] <NinoScript> It's my first time in life using KDE
[22:16] <scb> NinoScript: enjoy the ride.
[22:16] <NinoScript> and it didn't feel good :S … my question is: do you actually use all those panels/widgets/etc?
[22:17] <scb> Yes, we are crazy like that.
[22:17] <NinoScript> I moved my mouse and there were more panels and stuff appearing
[22:17] <scb> Just remove them.
[22:19] <NinoScript> well, I just have to say that it is a really weird experience :P
[22:20] <scb> It happens sometimes, sir.
[22:20] <NinoScript> Are there any differences in the GUI between the version of KDE used in Karmic and the one in Lucid?
[22:21] <scb> Well, KDE 4.4 has windows tabs.
[22:21] <scb> And it has some nice under the hood features.
[22:22] <scb> The notification system is a little less retarded.
[22:22] <scb> That too.
[22:24] <NinoScript> Is it normal that if I move/resize the "desktop" (widget? panel?) or the "blog" thing that opens by default (<—that's weird…), they just re-resize and move as if they didn't care where I wanted them to be>
[22:24] <NinoScript> ?
[22:25] <scb> You can move them back to where you want them to be.
[22:25] <scb> Just tried resizing some applet I have
[22:25] <scb> Doesn't happen to me though
[22:26] <NinoScript> well it may be that I am using Lucid
[22:27] <NinoScript> but I move/resize them, and like 3 seconds later, they come back
[22:27] <scb> That's weird. Are your effects on?
[22:27] <NinoScript> with a smooth and beautiful animation
[22:27] <scb> Uhm...
[22:27] <scb> that *shouldn't* happen I believe.
[22:27] <scb> Maybe they are crashing. Which plasmoid are we talking here?
[22:27] <NinoScript> making me think that maybe I actually did want them to stay there xD
[22:28] <NinoScript> Desktop and Blog
[22:28] <scb> Uhm, you trying to resize them?
[22:28] <NinoScript> I'm confused, what's what? widget, panel, applet, plasmoid
[22:29] <scb> Well
[22:29] <scb> Your whole desktop
[22:29] <scb> Panel + what you know as wallpaper is the plasma workspace
[22:29] <scb> you can add to that Plasmoids
[22:29] <scb> basically everything is a plasmoid... The microblogging thingy is a plasmoid, the taskbar is a plasmoid, and so on.
[22:29] <NinoScript> ok
[22:30] <NinoScript> so the desktop is a plasmoid too
[22:30] <scb> The desktop as in the Folder view you have? Yes.
[22:31] <NinoScript> instead of the normal approach of other DE
[22:31] <scb> Uhm, yea. You can have a normal DE if you want just right click and... let me check.
[22:32] <scb> NinoScript: if you want the "normal approach of other DE" you can right click, select DEsktop Activity settings, go to Activity tab and change to Folder View
[22:32] <NinoScript> haha, this is so weird, sooooooooo many options :P
[22:33] <NinoScript> I've had Macs all my life, just started testing linuxes about 3 months ago
[22:34] <sIMson> #quit
[22:34] <sIMson> quit
[22:34] <scb> Welcome. I guess it's weird feeling like you have choices.
[22:34] <NinoScript> Macs have almost no options, they just give you something that works, but you can't change it (well you can, but no easily), and this is sooo different, I'm shocked :P