[00:11] <elky> Hmm, i included the news team on the To: for the announcement email. Is there something else I needed to do to get the competition Fridge'd?
[00:17] <pleia2> first pleia2 needs to finish work
[00:17] <pleia2> then I'll get it up
[00:18] <pleia2> akgraner is a fridge editor now too, but she was busy today as well
[00:19] <elky> nhandler is too afaik,
[00:20] <nhandler> Need me?
[00:20] <pleia2> he's mostly around in evenings, he has to proof my post anyway
[00:20] <pleia2> nhandler: I'll need you in a few when I post the new UW competition to fridge
[00:20] <nhandler> Ah yes, it was on my todo list for after dinner ;) It is all yours if you want pleia2
[00:20] <elky> also, someone get jono to RT it. Surely it's more RTworthy than RTing someone mentioning his book :P
[00:21] <nhandler> elky: Link to a dent?
[00:21] <pleia2> nhandler: I have rough html tossed together, then work ate me
[00:21]  * pleia2 will finish soon
[00:21] <nhandler> No rush pleia2. I'll be around probably about 5 more hours (at least)
[00:21] <pleia2> great
[00:21] <elky> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-April/002759.html is the email announcement
[00:22] <pleia2> yep, already mostly drafted into the announcement :)
[00:22] <elky> and if i can learn how identI.ca is spelled, i'll get you that
[00:23] <elky> http://identi.ca/notice/28397262 http://twitter.com/elkbuntu/status/12112708587
[00:24] <nhandler> Retweeted and redented
[00:24] <elky> i need to run to work now, cyas in 40
[00:37] <maco> elky: *snort*
[00:37] <maco> (@ jono RT priorities)
[00:40] <pleia2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2016
[01:02] <IdleOne> Evening
[01:02] <IdleOne> Edith_: welcome!!
[01:03] <hypatia> this is an awesome contest
[01:03] <hypatia> :D
[01:05] <Edith_> Hello  IdleOne ! I'm trying to translate Base de données. Where do you want I send to you the trial ?
[01:06] <IdleOne> you don't have to send it to me. you can just add to the wiki page.
[01:06] <IdleOne> I see all the updates.
[01:07] <IdleOne> Edith_: this is a team project, so pleia2 has volunteered me :) as team lead for the French translations but we all work together :)
[01:08] <IdleOne> What I mean is that if you see an error or something that can be worded better please feel free to edit :)
[01:08] <IdleOne> oh
[01:08] <IdleOne> Thank you so much for all the excellent work you are doing!
[01:09] <Edith_> It's nothing. I like it
[01:10] <elky> That's what contributing is all about; enjoying yourself :)
[01:11]  * IdleOne has not been able to do any translation the past week or so, busy with work but I do keep an eye on it 
[01:15] <IdleOne> dinner/souper
[01:37] <Edith_> IdleOne, j'ai un problème. Je ne sais comment conserver les hyperliens, après avoir fait la traduction :(
[01:37] <IdleOne> quels liens exactement?
[01:39] <IdleOne> les liens qui dirigent aux entrevues et autre articles en anglais on ne traduit pas
[01:39] <IdleOne> mais on vas les inclures
[01:40] <IdleOne> Do we know if there is a Code of Conduct in French we can link to?
[01:42] <Edith_> I don't know.
[01:46] <maco> that would be useful to have
[01:46] <elky> asking in #ubuntu-fr might be worthwhile
[01:53] <IdleOne> indeed
[01:54] <IdleOne> also in other languages
[01:55] <IdleOne> Who is in charge of the CoC and it's wording? irc council right?
[01:55] <pleia2> community council
[01:55] <IdleOne> pleia2: would be nice if someone on that council can maybe find out if there is an official way of getting the CoC translated :)
[01:56] <pleia2> the ubuntu website is currently undergoing the beginnings of a translations project
[01:56] <pleia2> it might be included, I'm not sure
[01:57] <elky> It amazes me that it's taken us, what, more than 5 years to get to "beginnings of a translation project" for the website
[01:57] <elky> sadmaking :(
[01:58] <IdleOne> elky: true but atleast it is started :)
[01:58] <elky> yep
[01:58] <JanC> translating the whole site is not exactly easy
[01:58] <JanC> especially not keeping translations up-to-date
[01:58] <elky> JanC, sure, and it's harder when you don't even start.
[01:59] <JanC> elky: parts of the site are already translated on locoteam sites
[02:00] <JanC> what I understood is that ubuntu.com won't be translated, but would gain a feature to link to such translations
[02:00] <IdleOne> there is an unofficial translation at http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/codedeconduite
[02:01] <JanC> I think there is an unofficial translation in Dutch too
[02:01] <pleia2> looks like that unofficial translation hasn't been updated for the latest CoC revision
[02:01] <IdleOne> reading over it now to see if it is close enough for us to use as a temporary fix but with a link to the official English version included
[02:01] <pleia2> (not a huge deal since the nature of it is the same, but might be worth pointing out to them)
[02:02] <IdleOne> pleia2: that is why I thought we might be able to use with a link to official updated version
[02:02] <pleia2> honestly I'm not all that familiar with translations in Ubuntu
[02:04] <JanC> pleia2: happy you  ;)
[02:04] <IdleOne> ok, for now we can leave it linked to the official CoC.
[02:04] <elky> You know what we could really use right now? Competition translations :)
[02:05] <IdleOne> elky: msg me the links I'll add to the todo page
[02:07] <elky> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Announcement ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/HowToEnter ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Announcement/ModelReleaseWaiver
[02:11] <IdleOne> errr she left
[02:12] <IdleOne> I was about to ask her to look at the edits I did to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/Basededonnée so she can see the format to links in wiki :/
[02:12] <IdleOne> elky: will add those links to the todo page
[02:33] <IdleOne> When is this contest over?
[02:41] <valorie> Enter before 2359UTC 14th May 2010
[02:43] <IdleOne> doesn't leave much time to translate and the Release form is going to be tricky due to it's legal ramifications
[02:43] <IdleOne> Will do our best :)
[02:43] <pleia2> yeah, it took ages to get anything released for this competition due to legal stuff
[02:44] <pleia2> we were trying to get it out weeks ago :(
[02:44] <IdleOne> pleia2 I know, wasn't trying to blame anybody just saying :/
[02:44] <pleia2> thanks for trying
[02:59] <IdleOne> pleia2: CoC 1.0.1 is the updated version?
[02:59] <pleia2> IdleOne: yep
[02:59] <IdleOne> ok
[03:33] <IdleOne> ok posted on the -fr forum for help with translation. Hoping to get a bunch more people involved :)
[04:11] <JanC> probably best make clear they have to sign the English form though
[04:14] <elky> Why? So long as we have someone who can validate the match, it shouldn't matter. And signing a form you don't understand verbatim is really quite wrong.
[04:14] <pleia2> yeah, there should be translations in lp to sign
[04:15] <JanC> well, true, but we have no way to tell if a translation is correct?
[04:15] <pleia2> we work with trusted members of the ubuntu community
[04:15] <elky> JanC, that's why you have /authorised/ translations
[04:16] <elky> JanC, signing something in a language you do not understand is something that IMHO should /immediately/ invalidate it.
[04:16] <elky> And I consider legalese to be a language in this respect.
[04:17] <JanC> elky: true, but OTOH, it has to be legally sound, even if it's in plain English, French, etc.  ☺
[04:18] <IdleOne> JanC: the French version links to the English. I agree with elky and pleia2 that we need official translations.
[04:18] <IdleOne> only the CC can approve those unless I am mistaken
[04:19] <elky> or appoint someone to do so, yes
[04:19] <JanC> I was talking about the release form  ;)
[04:19] <pleia2> a process will have to be established, none exists
[04:19] <elky> JanC, even more important then
[04:20] <IdleOne> So I will edit the current French translation to reflect CoC1.0.1 and propose soon as I can. Probably Thursday or Friday.
[04:20] <pleia2> thanks IdleOne :)
[04:20] <JanC> elky: it' something that goes both ways, I agree that nobody should sign a model release form they don't undertsand, but how can you use the photographs if you don't understand what they signed?  ☺
[04:21] <elky> JanC, because we delegate to someone we do trust to testify to us
[04:21] <IdleOne> then CC can decide on process quicker since they will already have a propsed version to approve :)
[04:21] <IdleOne> proposed*
[04:21] <elky> like IdleOne for french, etc
[04:22] <elky> JanC, the burden is on /us/, not the signatory
[04:26]  * IdleOne puts the pen in the French peoples hand and MAKES them sign
[04:27] <IdleOne> *bad french accent spoken in English* Yuu will sign zee paper or I will break zee face
[04:27] <IdleOne> lol
[04:28] <IdleOne> I could of mistyped that a lot funnier
[04:28] <IdleOne> oh well
[04:29] <IdleOne> monolinguals, go figure
[04:29] <pleia2> pfft, monolinguals
[04:29] <pleia2> oh wait
[04:29] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:29] <IdleOne> pleia2: you speak typoese also
[04:29] <pleia2> yeah!
[04:32] <JanC> learning a second language isn't mandatory in the US?  ☺
[04:33] <IdleOne> learning a first language is mandatory
[04:33] <IdleOne> isn't*
[04:33] <JanC> IdleOne: you sure?
[04:33] <IdleOne> US doesn't have a official language
[04:34] <IdleOne> So learning it can't be mandatory
[04:34]  * IdleOne uses own logic to convince himself he is right
[04:34] <JanC> even then, they should make learning multiple languages mandatory IMHO
[04:35] <JanC> in Belgium it's mandatory from 10yo on (or 8yo in Brussels & some other bilingual regions IIRC)
[04:38] <JanC> so my French isn't very good because I don't practice is, but I still know when somebody makes an error in French (and I guess speaking it would improve quickly if I lived some place where French would be useful)
[04:53] <akgraner> Just walked back in the door - gave a talk tonight  - but it was a 6 hour drive round trip
[04:53] <pleia2> akgraner: how'd the talk go?
[04:54] <akgraner> great - a women that teaches at ECPI gave one talk  - history of open source
[04:54] <pleia2> cool
[04:54] <akgraner> she was cool - but I was sad that the 1st 5 mins was all about how she was qualified to give the talk
[04:55] <akgraner> I was sad she felt she had to justify why she was qualified I should say
[04:55] <pleia2> I have gone back and forth on that point, ended with everyone agreeing that giving qualifications is good
[04:56] <akgraner> Yeah I liked it - but you could tell that she felt she had too
[04:57] <akgraner> so she is going to check out the UW site
[04:57] <akgraner> I showed her some of it  - and she said her students would really like it
[04:57] <akgraner> :-)
[04:57] <akgraner> so that was cool
[04:57] <pleia2> yay :)
[04:58] <akgraner> and I told her all about the learning project
[04:58] <pleia2> I am hoping we can make more progress on learning in the next cycle
[04:59] <akgraner> and all the "ubuntu" weeks stuff - she was really interested in all that - most of the folks really wanted to know more about quickly, opportunistic developer and developer weeks
[04:59] <akgraner> how the server devels differ from desktop devels
[04:59] <pleia2> cool
[04:59] <akgraner> and the cool  part  - I knew what to tell them
[04:59] <pleia2> yay you! :)
[05:00] <akgraner> oh and Lernid blew their mind
[05:00] <pleia2> yeah, it really is way better than just irc for new users
[05:00] <akgraner> people were like where can I find more info on that
[05:00] <pleia2> classbot now posts the link to the slides at the beginning of the session too, so people on irc can follow along easier
[05:00] <akgraner> by the end of the talk even the non-ubuntu users were looking at Ubuntu Community stuff and how they could get involved
[05:01] <pleia2> :D
[05:01] <akgraner> pleia2, I have to learn how to use all that before open week
[05:01] <akgraner> :-)
[05:01] <pleia2> hehe, maybe we'll give a classbot class
[05:01] <pleia2> it's not too hard though
[05:02] <pleia2> and there are some test channels set up if you want to practice sometime
[05:04] <akgraner> pleia2, yep I would love too - I'll block some time tomorrow
[05:04] <akgraner> John and I are going over stuff most of the day tomorrow
[05:05] <pleia2> akgraner: tomorrow isn't good for me (I'll be hangning out with pgraner for a few days!) so grab either nhandler or cjohnston
[05:05] <akgraner> hehe - so he *is* there :-)
[05:05] <pleia2> I'm sure either of them would be happy to get you set up for some testing :)
[05:06] <pleia2> well, I haven't seen him yet ;)
[05:06] <akgraner> I snag one of them  - gotta talk to cjohnston anyways
[05:06] <pleia2> cool
[05:06] <pleia2> he can set up a test session with you as the instructor and feed you soem QUESTION:s
[05:06] <akgraner> ahh ok cool
[05:07] <nhandler> I'll be around tomorrow evening if desired
[05:07] <akgraner> collaboration summit starts tomorrow right?
[05:07] <akgraner> nhandler, awesome!
[05:07] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[05:08] <pleia2> and Myrtti will be there too \o/
[05:08] <akgraner> nhandler, there is a guy  - john someone  - I meet him tonight at the LUG meeting I spoke at - I gave him your name as the script guru - he loves writing scripts so you came to mind...
[05:08] <nhandler> :)
[05:09] <pleia2> nhandler is an /everything/ guru
[05:09] <akgraner> pleia2, cool - hope you all have a great time
[05:09] <nhandler> akgraner: You might also like http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/myslides/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ClassBot (for classbot)
[05:09] <nhandler> Right now, I'm going to be the Sleeping Guy. Night
[05:09]  * akgraner bookmarks those links
[05:09] <pleia2> night nhandler
[05:09] <akgraner> thanks and goodnight
[06:07] <IdleOne> Ok I have created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Proposed/frCodeOfConduct and sent email to the community council
[06:08] <IdleOne> on an UGH note: I posted on the -fr forum asking for help with translation and I have received my first " Why do Women need an Ubuntu Women Project" response :/
[06:09] <pleia2> welcome to our world :)
[06:09] <elky> Sounds about right.
[06:09] <IdleOne> :) EFFIN happy to be here
[06:09] <elky> We'll check back on you in a month for any changes to that statement.
[06:09] <IdleOne> hehe
[06:10] <IdleOne> well least I know where to go to get support and encouragement
[06:10] <elky> hehe
[06:10] <IdleOne> :P
[06:10]  * IdleOne is learning and applying the look on the bright side of things philosophy
[06:11] <IdleOne> So where do we keep the cookies in this world?
[06:12]  * pleia2 opens the cookie jar and gets a cookie for IdleOne 
[06:12] <IdleOne> nom nommy nom nom
[06:12] <pleia2> :)
[06:21] <IdleOne> Good night!
[06:31] <maco> IdleOne: if you join #kubuntu-devel i might be able to convince kubotu to give you cookies :P
[06:39] <elky> !cookies
[06:39] <ubot2> Cookies are delicious delicacies.
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <AlanBell> akgraner: pong
[08:22] <AlanBell> ping czajkowski
[09:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: pong
[09:15] <AlanBell> hi
[09:15] <AlanBell> the spreadsheet needs updating, but I know you don't have much time
[09:16] <AlanBell> I was thinking of just going through the process here, so you and everyone can follow along
[09:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I've penciled in Sunday to work on UW stuff
[09:16] <AlanBell> and laugh at my weak spreadsheeting skills
[09:16] <czajkowski> tomorrow talking at a GGD meet up, friday work on ossbarcamp, saturday IS OSSbarcamp so Sunday is looking good
[09:16] <czajkowski> :)
[09:17] <AlanBell> akgraner: is Sunday OK or do you want an update today?
[09:18] <AlanBell> saturday is the Science Museum visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ScienceMuseumVisit
[09:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is it urgent it needs doing?
[09:19] <czajkowski> I guess I could work on it tonight in between runs to airport?
[09:20] <AlanBell> akgraner is doing something with the data
[09:20] <akgraner> Alan Sunday is fine I can use what is there for now :-)  or is it up to date through March?
[09:20] <akgraner> Just need to know where the cutoff is - not in those sheets at the moment of I would look :-/
[09:22] <AlanBell> cutoff is somewhere in March, probably at the start of the month
[09:23] <akgraner> AlanBell, that will work - don't spend too much time - it's not that critical and I can always go back and up date once you tell me its ready :-)
[09:23] <AlanBell> ok, lets go through it on Sunday then czajkowski
[09:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: adding to google cal now what time suits
[09:24] <akgraner> Thank you!!
[09:24] <AlanBell> gosh, I am not that organised!
[09:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: my bad.
[09:24] <AlanBell> um some time on Sunday, after I wake up, before I pass out
[09:25] <czajkowski> if tis in google cal I get a reminder and I also look at it when planning other bits and bobs
[09:25] <czajkowski> ok
[11:06] <AlanBell> actually sunday might not be so great
[11:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ok
[20:15] <althara> Any other ubuntu women people going to LinuxFest Northwest?
[20:15] <althara> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org
[20:16] <althara> Also do we have a flier for Ubuntu Women that I can print up and have at the Washington LoCo table?
[20:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yes it's on the wiki
[20:17] <akgraner> althara, we have some stuff on the resources page
[20:17] <czajkowski> under resournces
[20:17] <czajkowski> *resources
[20:17] <czajkowski> :)
[20:17] <akgraner> one sec I'll grab you the link
[20:17] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources
[20:19] <althara> Yay
[20:19] <althara> Thanks
[20:35] <althara> Just order a bunch of busines cards using the designs elky put up. Woohoo!
[20:36] <althara> ordered, even my brain is slow today
[20:37] <akgraner> they are really great and people think they are really cool
[22:18] <akgraner> svaksha, ping
[22:18] <akgraner> do you have like 5 mins need to get some stats from you on the mailing list if you have a sec I can let you know what I am looking for :-)
[23:22] <pleia2> akgraner: fwiw jamfish over in -women is also a list admin
[23:22] <pleia2> also - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-April/000953.html
[23:23] <pleia2> "Canonical is slowing moving away from Drupal. ...There is a Drupal to Wordpress migration"
[23:23] <pleia2> this matters to us because it looks like canonical is going to start supporting wordpress
[23:23] <pleia2> which I believe is the better option for this team blog-wise
[23:24] <valorie> yay althara!!!!!!!!!!
[23:24] <pleia2> if this is the case, we should probably hold off on our blog (which wasn't officially a cycle goal anyway, just the static website was) and wait until they can offer us wordpress
[23:24]  * valorie is gonna try to be at the fest
[23:24] <valorie> it's a long drive though
[23:26] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[23:55]  * AlanBell huggles wordpress
[23:55] <AlanBell> http://votegeek.org.uk is a wordpress site and it was easy peasy