[00:11] Hmm, i included the news team on the To: for the announcement email. Is there something else I needed to do to get the competition Fridge'd? [00:17] first pleia2 needs to finish work [00:17] then I'll get it up [00:18] akgraner is a fridge editor now too, but she was busy today as well [00:19] nhandler is too afaik, [00:20] Need me? [00:20] he's mostly around in evenings, he has to proof my post anyway [00:20] nhandler: I'll need you in a few when I post the new UW competition to fridge [00:20] Ah yes, it was on my todo list for after dinner ;) It is all yours if you want pleia2 [00:20] also, someone get jono to RT it. Surely it's more RTworthy than RTing someone mentioning his book :P [00:21] elky: Link to a dent? [00:21] nhandler: I have rough html tossed together, then work ate me [00:21] * pleia2 will finish soon [00:21] No rush pleia2. I'll be around probably about 5 more hours (at least) [00:21] great [00:21] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-April/002759.html is the email announcement [00:22] yep, already mostly drafted into the announcement :) [00:22] and if i can learn how identI.ca is spelled, i'll get you that [00:23] http://identi.ca/notice/28397262 http://twitter.com/elkbuntu/status/12112708587 [00:24] Retweeted and redented [00:24] i need to run to work now, cyas in 40 [00:37] elky: *snort* [00:37] (@ jono RT priorities) [00:40] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2016 [01:02] Evening [01:02] Edith_: welcome!! [01:03] this is an awesome contest [01:03] :D [01:05] Hello IdleOne ! I'm trying to translate Base de données. Where do you want I send to you the trial ? [01:06] you don't have to send it to me. you can just add to the wiki page. [01:06] I see all the updates. [01:07] Edith_: this is a team project, so pleia2 has volunteered me :) as team lead for the French translations but we all work together :) [01:08] What I mean is that if you see an error or something that can be worded better please feel free to edit :) [01:08] oh [01:08] Thank you so much for all the excellent work you are doing! [01:09] It's nothing. I like it [01:10] That's what contributing is all about; enjoying yourself :) [01:11] * IdleOne has not been able to do any translation the past week or so, busy with work but I do keep an eye on it [01:15] dinner/souper [01:37] IdleOne, j'ai un problème. Je ne sais comment conserver les hyperliens, après avoir fait la traduction :( [01:37] quels liens exactement? [01:39] les liens qui dirigent aux entrevues et autre articles en anglais on ne traduit pas [01:39] mais on vas les inclures [01:40] Do we know if there is a Code of Conduct in French we can link to? [01:42] I don't know. [01:46] that would be useful to have [01:46] asking in #ubuntu-fr might be worthwhile [01:53] indeed [01:54] also in other languages [01:55] Who is in charge of the CoC and it's wording? irc council right? [01:55] community council [01:55] pleia2: would be nice if someone on that council can maybe find out if there is an official way of getting the CoC translated :) [01:56] the ubuntu website is currently undergoing the beginnings of a translations project [01:56] it might be included, I'm not sure [01:57] It amazes me that it's taken us, what, more than 5 years to get to "beginnings of a translation project" for the website [01:57] sadmaking :( [01:58] elky: true but atleast it is started :) [01:58] yep [01:58] translating the whole site is not exactly easy [01:58] especially not keeping translations up-to-date [01:58] JanC, sure, and it's harder when you don't even start. [01:59] elky: parts of the site are already translated on locoteam sites [02:00] what I understood is that ubuntu.com won't be translated, but would gain a feature to link to such translations [02:00] there is an unofficial translation at http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/codedeconduite [02:01] I think there is an unofficial translation in Dutch too [02:01] looks like that unofficial translation hasn't been updated for the latest CoC revision [02:01] reading over it now to see if it is close enough for us to use as a temporary fix but with a link to the official English version included [02:01] (not a huge deal since the nature of it is the same, but might be worth pointing out to them) [02:02] pleia2: that is why I thought we might be able to use with a link to official updated version [02:02] honestly I'm not all that familiar with translations in Ubuntu [02:04] pleia2: happy you ;) [02:04] ok, for now we can leave it linked to the official CoC. [02:04] You know what we could really use right now? Competition translations :) [02:05] elky: msg me the links I'll add to the todo page [02:07] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Announcement ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/HowToEnter ... http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Announcement/ModelReleaseWaiver [02:11] errr she left [02:12] I was about to ask her to look at the edits I did to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/Basededonnée so she can see the format to links in wiki :/ [02:12] elky: will add those links to the todo page [02:33] When is this contest over? [02:41] Enter before 2359UTC 14th May 2010 [02:43] doesn't leave much time to translate and the Release form is going to be tricky due to it's legal ramifications [02:43] Will do our best :) [02:43] yeah, it took ages to get anything released for this competition due to legal stuff [02:44] we were trying to get it out weeks ago :( [02:44] pleia2 I know, wasn't trying to blame anybody just saying :/ [02:44] thanks for trying [02:59] pleia2: CoC 1.0.1 is the updated version? [02:59] IdleOne: yep [02:59] ok [03:33] ok posted on the -fr forum for help with translation. Hoping to get a bunch more people involved :) [04:11] probably best make clear they have to sign the English form though [04:14] Why? So long as we have someone who can validate the match, it shouldn't matter. And signing a form you don't understand verbatim is really quite wrong. [04:14] yeah, there should be translations in lp to sign [04:15] well, true, but we have no way to tell if a translation is correct? [04:15] we work with trusted members of the ubuntu community [04:15] JanC, that's why you have /authorised/ translations [04:16] JanC, signing something in a language you do not understand is something that IMHO should /immediately/ invalidate it. [04:16] And I consider legalese to be a language in this respect. [04:17] elky: true, but OTOH, it has to be legally sound, even if it's in plain English, French, etc. ☺ [04:18] JanC: the French version links to the English. I agree with elky and pleia2 that we need official translations. [04:18] only the CC can approve those unless I am mistaken [04:19] or appoint someone to do so, yes [04:19] I was talking about the release form ;) [04:19] a process will have to be established, none exists [04:19] JanC, even more important then [04:20] So I will edit the current French translation to reflect CoC1.0.1 and propose soon as I can. Probably Thursday or Friday. [04:20] thanks IdleOne :) [04:20] elky: it' something that goes both ways, I agree that nobody should sign a model release form they don't undertsand, but how can you use the photographs if you don't understand what they signed? ☺ [04:21] JanC, because we delegate to someone we do trust to testify to us [04:21] then CC can decide on process quicker since they will already have a propsed version to approve :) [04:21] proposed* [04:21] like IdleOne for french, etc [04:22] JanC, the burden is on /us/, not the signatory [04:26] * IdleOne puts the pen in the French peoples hand and MAKES them sign [04:27] *bad french accent spoken in English* Yuu will sign zee paper or I will break zee face [04:27] lol [04:28] I could of mistyped that a lot funnier [04:28] oh well [04:29] monolinguals, go figure [04:29] pfft, monolinguals [04:29] oh wait [04:29] hehe [04:29] pleia2: you speak typoese also [04:29] yeah! [04:32] learning a second language isn't mandatory in the US? ☺ [04:33] learning a first language is mandatory [04:33] isn't* [04:33] IdleOne: you sure? [04:33] US doesn't have a official language [04:34] So learning it can't be mandatory [04:34] * IdleOne uses own logic to convince himself he is right [04:34] even then, they should make learning multiple languages mandatory IMHO [04:35] in Belgium it's mandatory from 10yo on (or 8yo in Brussels & some other bilingual regions IIRC) [04:38] so my French isn't very good because I don't practice is, but I still know when somebody makes an error in French (and I guess speaking it would improve quickly if I lived some place where French would be useful) [04:53] Just walked back in the door - gave a talk tonight - but it was a 6 hour drive round trip [04:53] akgraner: how'd the talk go? [04:54] great - a women that teaches at ECPI gave one talk - history of open source [04:54] cool [04:54] she was cool - but I was sad that the 1st 5 mins was all about how she was qualified to give the talk [04:55] I was sad she felt she had to justify why she was qualified I should say [04:55] I have gone back and forth on that point, ended with everyone agreeing that giving qualifications is good [04:56] Yeah I liked it - but you could tell that she felt she had too [04:57] so she is going to check out the UW site [04:57] I showed her some of it - and she said her students would really like it [04:57] :-) [04:57] so that was cool [04:57] yay :) [04:58] and I told her all about the learning project [04:58] I am hoping we can make more progress on learning in the next cycle [04:59] and all the "ubuntu" weeks stuff - she was really interested in all that - most of the folks really wanted to know more about quickly, opportunistic developer and developer weeks [04:59] how the server devels differ from desktop devels [04:59] cool [04:59] and the cool part - I knew what to tell them [04:59] yay you! :) [05:00] oh and Lernid blew their mind [05:00] yeah, it really is way better than just irc for new users [05:00] people were like where can I find more info on that [05:00] classbot now posts the link to the slides at the beginning of the session too, so people on irc can follow along easier [05:00] by the end of the talk even the non-ubuntu users were looking at Ubuntu Community stuff and how they could get involved [05:01] :D [05:01] pleia2, I have to learn how to use all that before open week [05:01] :-) [05:01] hehe, maybe we'll give a classbot class [05:01] it's not too hard though [05:02] and there are some test channels set up if you want to practice sometime [05:04] pleia2, yep I would love too - I'll block some time tomorrow [05:04] John and I are going over stuff most of the day tomorrow [05:05] akgraner: tomorrow isn't good for me (I'll be hangning out with pgraner for a few days!) so grab either nhandler or cjohnston [05:05] hehe - so he *is* there :-) [05:05] I'm sure either of them would be happy to get you set up for some testing :) [05:06] well, I haven't seen him yet ;) [05:06] I snag one of them - gotta talk to cjohnston anyways [05:06] cool [05:06] he can set up a test session with you as the instructor and feed you soem QUESTION:s [05:06] ahh ok cool [05:07] I'll be around tomorrow evening if desired [05:07] collaboration summit starts tomorrow right? [05:07] nhandler, awesome! [05:07] akgraner: yep [05:08] and Myrtti will be there too \o/ [05:08] nhandler, there is a guy - john someone - I meet him tonight at the LUG meeting I spoke at - I gave him your name as the script guru - he loves writing scripts so you came to mind... [05:08] :) [05:09] nhandler is an /everything/ guru [05:09] pleia2, cool - hope you all have a great time [05:09] akgraner: You might also like http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/myslides/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ClassBot (for classbot) [05:09] Right now, I'm going to be the Sleeping Guy. Night [05:09] * akgraner bookmarks those links [05:09] night nhandler [05:09] thanks and goodnight [06:07] Ok I have created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Proposed/frCodeOfConduct and sent email to the community council [06:08] on an UGH note: I posted on the -fr forum asking for help with translation and I have received my first " Why do Women need an Ubuntu Women Project" response :/ [06:09] welcome to our world :) [06:09] Sounds about right. [06:09] :) EFFIN happy to be here [06:09] We'll check back on you in a month for any changes to that statement. [06:09] hehe [06:10] well least I know where to go to get support and encouragement [06:10] hehe [06:10] :P [06:10] * IdleOne is learning and applying the look on the bright side of things philosophy [06:11] So where do we keep the cookies in this world? [06:12] * pleia2 opens the cookie jar and gets a cookie for IdleOne [06:12] nom nommy nom nom [06:12] :) [06:21] Good night! [06:31] IdleOne: if you join #kubuntu-devel i might be able to convince kubotu to give you cookies :P [06:39] !cookies [06:39] Cookies are delicious delicacies. [07:23] good morning [07:38] akgraner: pong [08:22] ping czajkowski [09:14] AlanBell: pong [09:15] hi [09:15] the spreadsheet needs updating, but I know you don't have much time [09:16] I was thinking of just going through the process here, so you and everyone can follow along [09:16] AlanBell: I've penciled in Sunday to work on UW stuff [09:16] and laugh at my weak spreadsheeting skills [09:16] tomorrow talking at a GGD meet up, friday work on ossbarcamp, saturday IS OSSbarcamp so Sunday is looking good [09:16] :) [09:17] akgraner: is Sunday OK or do you want an update today? [09:18] saturday is the Science Museum visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ScienceMuseumVisit [09:19] AlanBell: is it urgent it needs doing? [09:19] I guess I could work on it tonight in between runs to airport? [09:20] akgraner is doing something with the data [09:20] Alan Sunday is fine I can use what is there for now :-) or is it up to date through March? [09:20] Just need to know where the cutoff is - not in those sheets at the moment of I would look :-/ [09:22] cutoff is somewhere in March, probably at the start of the month [09:23] AlanBell, that will work - don't spend too much time - it's not that critical and I can always go back and up date once you tell me its ready :-) [09:23] ok, lets go through it on Sunday then czajkowski [09:24] AlanBell: adding to google cal now what time suits [09:24] Thank you!! [09:24] gosh, I am not that organised! [09:24] AlanBell: my bad. [09:24] um some time on Sunday, after I wake up, before I pass out [09:25] if tis in google cal I get a reminder and I also look at it when planning other bits and bobs [09:25] ok [11:06] actually sunday might not be so great [11:06] AlanBell: ok === jussi01 is now known as jussi === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === dinda is now known as BelindaLopez_Can === BelindaLopez_Can is now known as Belinda [20:15] Any other ubuntu women people going to LinuxFest Northwest? [20:15] http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org [20:16] Also do we have a flier for Ubuntu Women that I can print up and have at the Washington LoCo table? [20:17] AlanBell: yes it's on the wiki [20:17] althara, we have some stuff on the resources page [20:17] under resournces [20:17] *resources [20:17] :) [20:17] one sec I'll grab you the link [20:17] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources [20:19] Yay [20:19] Thanks [20:35] Just order a bunch of busines cards using the designs elky put up. Woohoo! [20:36] ordered, even my brain is slow today [20:37] they are really great and people think they are really cool [22:18] svaksha, ping [22:18] do you have like 5 mins need to get some stats from you on the mailing list if you have a sec I can let you know what I am looking for :-) [23:22] akgraner: fwiw jamfish over in -women is also a list admin [23:22] also - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-April/000953.html [23:23] "Canonical is slowing moving away from Drupal. ...There is a Drupal to Wordpress migration" [23:23] this matters to us because it looks like canonical is going to start supporting wordpress [23:23] which I believe is the better option for this team blog-wise [23:24] yay althara!!!!!!!!!! [23:24] if this is the case, we should probably hold off on our blog (which wasn't officially a cycle goal anyway, just the static website was) and wait until they can offer us wordpress [23:24] * valorie is gonna try to be at the fest [23:24] it's a long drive though [23:26] pleia2, thanks! [23:55] * AlanBell huggles wordpress [23:55] http://votegeek.org.uk is a wordpress site and it was easy peasy