[00:18] <blueyed> also for pages like: https://code.launchpad.net/bzr-pager
[01:01] <dhd> hi, is there something wrong with the  build farm?
[01:01] <dhd> a package in my ppa has been scheduled to build "in 3 hours" for the last 8 hours
[01:03] <dhd> I promise it will only take like 5 minutes to build :)
[01:03] <maxb> Yes, something is wrong with the build farm. I don't think it's quite been figured out *what* is wrong yet, though
[01:03] <dhd> ahh okay
[01:03] <dhd> no problem, good to know it's a known problem
[01:12] <MattJ> dhd: Yay, I thought I was alone :)
[01:13] <MattJ> Mine even went down to 53 minutes an hour ago, and I dared get my hopes up
[01:13] <MattJ> Then it went back up to 1 hour, 2 minutes later :)
[02:10] <BadHorsie> Say I create a project on launchpad, should I resort to the project files for documentation or are there project documentation features in launchpad.net ?
[02:11] <maxb> If the project has no external website of its own, you'll probably have to resort to something like that
[02:25] <lifeless> you could create a wiki on one of the free wiki sites
[03:03] <keffie_jayx> hello all
[03:04] <keffie_jayx> I have just uploaded an app to my ppa, but trying to setup my ppa I get this error, What did I do wrong? Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint
[03:07] <maxb> keffie_jayx: Could you try that again now? It's quite likely that since this is your first time using your PPA, the signing key had not been generated yet
[03:08] <keffie_jayx> maxb: yup, that did it
[03:08] <keffie_jayx> thanks maxb
[03:13] <TresEquis> what is SOP for correcting a mis-assigned project maintainer?
[03:14] <persia> Gererally filing a question.
[03:14] <TresEquis> on the launchpad project itself?
[03:14] <persia> But 90% of the time it can be resolved more simply and faster by contacting the person involved directly.
[03:14] <TresEquis> The person seems to be AWOL
[03:14] <TresEquis> no projects, no bugs, no branches, no karma
[03:14] <persia> Yeah, but really, send them a note first.  It's quite possible someone registered a project because they needed a placeholder, and *kjnows* they aren't the right contact point.
[03:15] <TresEquis> in this case, the maintainer (a teammate) hit enter too quickly on the search dialog
[03:16] <TresEquis> and now the maintainer is somebody who likely never heard from Zope
[03:16] <TresEquis> happened this morning (around noon US/Eastern)
[03:17] <TresEquis> The project is here:  https://launchpad.net/zope.testrecorder
[03:17] <TresEquis> the guy whose finger slipped is the original registrant, and a member of the ztk-steering-group (with me)
[03:18] <TresEquis> "filing a question" -- that would be on the launchpad project itself?
[03:24] <spm> TresEquis: this be you? ~tseaver
[03:25] <TresEquis> spm: yes
[03:26] <spm> TresEquis: coolio; I've set you as maintainer; but you should probably create (if not already exists) a group; and set them as maintainer
[03:26] <TresEquis> right, I'll set it to the ztk-steering-group
[03:26] <TresEquis> thanks very much!
[03:27] <spm> fwiw, what persia suggests is the normal method for this style of thing - but it's pretty clear a mistake was made and I'm feeling generous this morning. ;-)
[03:27] <spm> err. 12.30pm. this afternoo. :-D
[03:27] <TresEquis> that was what Christian was trying to do:  but he typed 'zt' in the search box and the other guy's account is ~zt ;)
[03:28] <TresEquis> spm: I owe you a beer ;)
[03:29] <spm> the line of folks that owe me a beer is very long... I should open a pub. /sigh ;-)
[03:29] <persia> spm: An inverse pub, where folks stop by and give beer to the proprietor?
[03:31] <spm> persia: well, I don't drink (effectively) so I may as well sell the beer they owe me. that'd be ok wouldn't it?!?!?! ;-)
[03:32] <persia> spm: IF we wanted to give you money, we'd just do that.  The point of beverages is the conversation :)
[03:32] <spm> sssh.
[04:17] <TresEquis> spm:  I'd be glad to make it coffee, or name your poison ;)
[04:18] <spm> Now a *good* coffee is worth savouring. I'll hold you to that. :-P
[04:30] <BadHorsie> I can't upload screenshots to launchpad right?
[04:32] <BadHorsie> Also, if I already did an initial bzr push, and then I do a bzr commit, would I need to do a push again? I'm only familiar with svn and I'm not sure if I have to do another push or some how bzr update on the launchpad side
[04:36] <BadHorsie> Hum I guess bzr push --no-strict did it...
[04:47] <BadHorsie> And I guess flickr does the screenshot thingie too :)
[05:26] <TresEquis> BadHorsie: 'bzr commit' affects the local branch, unless it is "bound" to a remote one (e.g., if you did 'bzr checkout' instead of 'bzr branch')
[05:27] <TresEquis> so you need to 'bzr push' to get the remote branch updated for the "unbound" case
[05:58] <spiv> mwhudson: could you compare the hosted & mirrored copies of lp:~toshio/bzr-gtk/handle-patch-fix, and if the hosted branch differs could you send me a tarball of it?
[05:58] <spiv> mwhudson: I'm looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/562380
[05:59] <mwhudson> spiv: that'd be easier for spm if he's around
[05:59] <spm> yup
[05:59] <spm> barely. hanging out for lunch...
[05:59] <spiv> spm: please spmdo that ^
[05:59] <spiv> ;)
[05:59] <spm> spiv: tsk. sudo spmdo
[06:14] <BadHorsie> Thanks TresEquis
[09:11] <spm> spiv: sorry - never did get to that request today - can you throw it into an RT, hopefully one of the other guys can grab it for you overnight
[13:47] <Laney> Please could someone rescore https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/highlighting-kate/0.2.6.2-1/+build/1689855
[14:49] <kwwii> I keep having a timeout error when filing a new bug, is there something wrong atm?
[15:41] <mbt> Hello.  There appears to be a spam commenter on bug 255651 that needs to be handled somehow.
[15:58] <c_korn> hello, can someone please confirm bug 563884 ?
[15:59] <maxb> c_korn: bug=Invalid. transitionToFoo no longer exist in Launchpad API 1.0 and later.
[15:59] <maxb> Scripts which require the legacy 'beta' API must specify this when creating their Launchpad object
[16:00] <c_korn> maxb: oh, I was said I should open a bug if I could reproduce it.
[16:00] <maxb> The bug is in the test script.
[16:01] <c_korn> maxb: I see. is there an apidoc for the Launchpad API 1.0 ?
[16:01] <c_korn> oh, here it is https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html
[16:01] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/+apidoc
[16:40] <c_korn> is lp_save() now mandatory after each change ?
[16:48] <keffie_jayx> hey all, If I want a package from my ppa t be available for older supported releases I have to upload the different .changes files?
[16:49] <persia> keffie_jayx: No.  THe preferred way to do it is to upload to the oldest release you wish to support, and copy the package forward.  You will have to upload again if you hit a library transition or some such.
[16:49] <Byt|Eee> So I'm sure this sounds silly, but in my own instance of launchpad, how do I edit a web page? I'm not much of a web admin and I'm used to basic files full of text through apache.
[16:50] <keffie_jayx> persia: right, thanks.
[19:21] <barry> are there any ppa experts around today?
[19:32] <persia> barry: Given the underwhelming response, you might want to just ask the question: perhaps it is answerable by a non-expert with a different set of specialised knowledge than your own.
[19:33] <barry> persia: thanks.  i may have figured it out actually. ;)  will ask if not
[21:01] <dickelbeck> asking for help on a 'question'
[21:01] <dickelbeck> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+question/106874
[21:01] <dickelbeck> This seems to have been stalled, has deryk been out?
[21:09] <Hudzilla> Hey! I'm trying Launchpad for the first time, and it's making me feel stupid. Is that normal? :)
[21:34] <bdmurray> I've received several oops reports trying to file a bug report on edge
[21:34] <bdmurray> Is this a known issue?
[21:34] <bdmurray> Disabling redirection would lose my apport collected information wouldn't it?
[21:37] <bdmurray> and it oops'ed on production too
[21:37] <bdmurray> oops-1566h2522
[21:45] <jelkner> can anyone tell me if launchpad itself is translated into other languages?
[21:45] <jelkner> there is a big focus on translating other software, but what about the launchpad site itself?
[21:45] <jelkner> we have a need to use it in Spanish
[21:45] <jelkner> is this possible?
[21:48] <beuno> jelkner, hi, I'm looking for the FAQ explaing why Launchpad is not available in other languages
[21:49] <beuno> maybe kfogel is around and knows where that is...
[21:50] <beuno> jelkner, it boils down to a communication problem
[21:50] <beuno> if people file bugs in languages the developers can't understand, then it's pointless
[21:54] <beuno> jelkner, see: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/3896
[21:58] <jelkner> hmm...
[21:58] <jelkner> this presents a real problem
[21:58] <jelkner> i'm active with the SchoolTool project
[21:59] <jelkner> we use launchpad all the time to permit users to file bugs
[21:59] <jelkner> the very purpose of SchoolTool was to be a free school information system for developing countries
[22:00] <jelkner> so we are currently working on a pilot in El Salvador
[22:00] <jelkner> we have a tough choice to face
[22:01] <jelkner> we will not be able to use launchpad for the project
[22:01] <jelkner> and will have to setup software system
[22:01]  * jelkner wonders if this is a good use case for setting up another launchpad
[22:01] <jelkner> one in spanish
[22:02] <kfogel> jelkner: may I strongly advise against trying to set up a separate launchpad instance?  It takes some resources to run (human, as well as computing, that is).
[22:02] <jelkner> kfogel, i understand, and i read the argument against doing this
[22:03] <jelkner> but would this be preferable to *not* using launchpad at all?
[22:03] <jelkner> since as long as it remains English only, we can't use it in El Salvador
[22:04] <jelkner> kfogel, what would you suggest?
[22:04] <jelkner> i appreciate you advising against, but what would you advise for?
[22:04] <james_w> you could write a skin that uses the API to report bugs etc. and is translatable
[22:04] <james_w> speed could be a problem though
[22:04] <jelkner> james_w, that sounds promising
[22:05] <jelkner> we only need the SchoolTool pages to work in the other languages
[22:05] <kfogel> jelkner: reading
[22:06] <james_w> well, doing everything would be tricky and time consuming (and impossible currently)
[22:06] <geser> has an LP API user seen this error before? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43700230/Traceback.txt
[22:06] <geser> IOError: [Errno 36] File name too long: '[...]'
[22:06] <kfogel> jelkner: let me think for a sec
[22:06] <james_w> but something to report bugs and then see a subset of the information on the bugs page to followup would be possible
[22:06] <kfogel> jelkner: I do want to come up with some way to solve this
[22:06] <james_w> geser: encrypted home dir?
[22:07] <jelkner> kfogel, we could be a great test case for you
[22:07] <jelkner> and we would love to work with the launchpad team
[22:07] <jelkner> SchoolTool is a large, zope 3 app
[22:07] <jelkner> so the developers who work on it know their way around zope
[22:07] <kfogel> jelkner: and schooltool is already using launchpad heavily
[22:08] <jelkner> kfogel, very heavily
[22:08] <jelkner> i'm one of the users, so i can tell you i love it!
[22:08] <kfogel> jelkner: although I'm not sure what the solution will be, let's talk through this a bit.  which pages would you want in spanish?
[22:08] <jelkner> hold on...
[22:08] <geser> james_w: I don't know. I would need to ask the bug sumitter (it's from bug 560206)
[22:08] <asac> so for some folks seems that bzr branch lp:... doesnt work inside their corporate env. is that a known problems? are there best practices to work around?
[22:08] <kfogel> jelkner: e.g., all of schooltool-in-launchpad, or just bug reporting pages, or... ?
[22:09] <jelkner> https://edge.launchpad.net/schooltool
[22:09] <james_w> geser: then yes, probably
[22:09] <jelkner> yeah, all of schooltool-in-launchpad
[22:09] <james_w> geser: see lazr.restfulclient bugs
[22:09] <jelkner> otherwise we are sending the wrong message to our new users
[22:09] <jelkner> that we don't value their participation
[22:10] <kfogel> jelkner: understood, it makes perfect sense
[22:11] <kfogel> jelkner: I'm just trying to think of a way to do this without it turning into "internationalize all of launchpad"
[22:12] <kfogel> jelkner: let me ask about this internally and get back to you?  what's a good email address to reach you at?
[22:12] <jelkner> jeff@elkner.net
[22:12] <kfogel> jelkner: gotcha
[22:12] <jelkner> kfogel, thanks!
[22:12] <kfogel> jelkner: well, don't thank me yet, but we'll at least explore this issue... thanks for raising it!
[22:12] <jelkner> i just brought this up with the schooltool project manager
[22:12] <jelkner> so he'll want to hear about it too
[22:13] <jelkner> ok, i'll await your email
[22:14] <jelkner> thanks for taking the time to talk to me
[22:14]  * jelkner goes back to his teacher duties...
[22:20] <geser> james_w: thanks, looks like bug 545197. Do you know if an updated python-lazr.restfulclient will reach lucid?
[22:20] <james_w> hmm, I think barry said he would look in to it
[22:20] <james_w> should be easy to pull in
[22:21] <james_w> if there has been a release with it then we could ask luca if he would upload to Debian
[22:21] <dickelbeck> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+question/106874 has been stalled for 2 days unexpectedly
[22:21] <dickelbeck> deryk said he would handle it 2 days ago, is he ill?
[22:22] <geser> james_w: the latest lazr.restfulclient release (0.9.14) is 10 hours old, so I assume it contains the fix (I even assume that it got already fixed in 0.9.13 based on the dates). Lucid has 0.9.11.
[22:23] <james_w> right
[22:23] <james_w> lets pull in whatever makes sense for lucid then
[22:23] <james_w> drop me a mail if you would like me to do it tomorrow
[22:23] <james_w> it's too late for that this evening
[22:23] <allenap> dickelbeck: Hi, he's not ill, just very busy. We've - the Launchpad Bugs developers - had a huge rush on bug import requests recently.
[22:24] <allenap> dickelbeck: It's always been quite a manual process to import bugs. With the number of requests we're getting now, we're struggling to cope, and we've been talking a lot about automation.
[22:25] <allenap> dickelbeck: In the meantime, please bear with us and we will get your bugs imported.
[22:25] <dickelbeck> allenap: thanks for the status report.
[23:06] <allquixotic> Hi -- I read on https://launchpad.net/+tour/join-launchpad that, for commercial subscriptions, "Privacy features may incur additional charges after the beta." This sounds to me like additional charges coming down the pipe. Would this cause someone with a basic launchpad commercial subscription to lose the ability to have their code in a private bzr on launchpad unless they pay whatever additional fees Canonical is
[23:06] <allquixotic>  asking?
[23:13] <c_korn> is there a way with python-launchpadlib to change the bug status for a task and make a comment in only one comment ? currently I have to lp_save() on the task for the bug status and then I lp_save() on the bug for the newMessage. this causes two comments to be made. but when launchpad janitor closes a bug it is all done in one comment.
[23:33] <timClicks> if a project doesn't use lp for bug tracking, is it possible for a project manager to indiciate where to go?
[23:34] <mwhudson> timClicks: yes
[23:48] <lamont> https://edge.launchpad.net/builders <-- why does that say 1 disabled and not show any disabled?