[00:00] <yofel> m0ar: words ending with -16-generic yes
[00:00] <m0ar> yofel: Goodie
[00:02] <vistakiller> hi
[00:02] <vistakiller> some package are break i think
[00:02] <vistakiller> with the last update
[00:02] <vistakiller> quassel
[00:02] <vistakiller> audacious
[00:02] <vistakiller> network-manager plasma
[00:02] <vistakiller> it say that will remove
[00:15] <fifth> not getting that with my server yet vistakiller, I'd wait before updating, packages must not be complete yet
[00:16] <fifth> actually, I'm showing quassel updates etc, but nothing to be removed
[00:20] <len_> speaking of quassel:  It won't install because the quassel-data in not up to the same version as quassel.  I had to install the non-kde quassel-qt version instead.  It must not use quassel-data
[00:21] <vistakiller> strange
[00:23] <methril_home> someone has a mc?
[00:23] <methril_home> s/mc/mac
[00:23] <vistakiller> the package is audacious-plugins-extra
[00:23] <methril_home> i having problems with the bootloader
[00:23] <methril_home> grub
[00:23] <methril_home> in a partition
[00:23] <vistakiller> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[00:24] <methril_home> could grub be installed in a extended partiton?
[00:24] <vistakiller> quassel but not quassel-datew
[00:24] <vistakiller> data*
[00:24] <vistakiller> and ttf-tahoma-replacement
[00:24] <kavurt> I can't install java. help please
[00:25] <len_> Funny the nobody noticed they forgot to update quassel-data
[00:25] <len_> Probably doesn't even need updating, but the updated the dep version when they didn't actually need to
[00:31] <fifth> changes must still be coming through, I've got available updates for quassel and quassel-data ... not run the update yet but looks ok
[00:33] <DASPRiD> hm, 14 days to go to get the alternate installer fixed
[00:34] <fifth> installed versions are 0.6~rc1+git100331-0ubuntu1 available is 0.6.0ubuntu1 for both
[00:35] <avis> what version of the nvidia driver is "current" ?
[00:39] <jimerickson> yofel: thanks found a work around for gnome-shell. got it running now.
[00:40] <yofel> !info nvidia-current | avis
[00:40] <avis> thank you
[00:40] <yofel> jimerickson: :)
[00:44] <darkaura> I have a question I've reinstalled ubuntu 10.04 should I install samba4 or just samba3
[00:45] <avis> right click on the folder you wish to share, and it should pick a preferred one over the other
[00:45] <johnyjohnjohn> my keyboard will only work about every other reboot. i have to use onboard and restart to get it working again
[00:45] <darkaura> but I don't have any installed yet
[00:46] <DASPRiD> darkaura, it will automatically (somewhat) install it
[00:49] <chrisl2424> msg/stealth- hmm
[00:50] <len_> I have one motherboard where the keyboard would cause the kernel to hang unless it was plugged into the usb port closest to the din keyboard plug.  I won't cause problems on any other usb port.
[00:51] <len_> It *would* cause problems on any other port
[00:51] <johnyjohnjohn> hmm, i have a laptop though
[00:52] <len_> You probably have a different problem then--I just thought I'd point out it's worth trying other ports because I remember how I was pulling my hair out on that one when it happened to me :)
[00:53] <johnyjohnjohn> definitly worth mentioning
[00:53] <len_> It wasn't a matter of bad ports either because all those ports worked for everything else.
[00:54] <len_> They would have worked for the keyboard too if it could have got past the kernel load
[00:54] <johnyjohnjohn> thats strange alright
[00:54] <len_> It was some wireless keyboard driver but that was putting it in some infinate loop
[00:55] <Zelozelos> is the person that i spoke to earlier in here about the phone?
[00:56] <Zelozelos> im using xchat in ubuntu 10.04, where do i go to to find the chat logs?
[00:57] <DASPRiD> .xchat2/scrollback
[00:57] <DASPRiD> tho i don't think those logs are really complete
[00:57] <JEEBsv> actually, IIRC it log'd into another folder too
[00:58] <JEEBsv> it's inside ˇ.xchat2 tho
[00:58] <Guest79788> Okay I need some help to figure out how to install like the splash screens, you know the log in screen and the log off screens
[00:58] <Zelozelos> thank you
[01:01] <darkaura> DASPRiD if you are willing would you help me some more with my sharing problems, I have it so my windows 7 can see shares on my Ubuntu machine, now I just need to figure out how to view my Windows 7 shares on the Ubuntu machine, and sharing on the Windows 7 is set to no password
[01:02] <DASPRiD> i'm not familiar with windows machines, sorry, also, it's bed time here, gn
[01:02] <darkaura> would someone help me with my problem?
[01:06] <bjsnider> darkaura, open nautilus, click network, your windows box should be sitting there
[01:08] <darkaura> bjsnider it is, but the thing is it asks for a user name and password, I put it in and then the pop up window comes back and it asks me to renter the username and password
[01:09] <bjsnider> did you try googling that?
[01:12] <NinoScript> I installed kubuntu-desktop, didn't like it, uninstalled it and now I can't get rid of KDE's cursor and Kubuntu's Splash Screen. How do I fix it?
[01:18] <durt> anybody got the word for support for synaptics click pad in LL?
[01:19] <arand> NinoScript: I saw that before (on karmic I think), what I did was basically "aptitude search kde | grep '^i'" and remove the relevant packages there.
[01:20] <arand> NinoScript: maybe removing kdm and installing gdm might be useful as well...
[01:22] <NinoScript> arand, I'm guessing that means to search for installed stuff with kde in its name. It outputs nothing
[01:23] <NinoScript> arand, I already removed kdm, maybe I could reinstall gdm?
[01:24] <arand> NinoScript: Yes, that's what it does... Hm, do a search for "oxygen" as well, that's the theme which contains the kde cursors I think.
[01:25] <NinoScript> ahá!
[01:26] <NinoScript> found oxygen! and a plymouth theme for kubuntu, I guess that's all, let's see how it works :D
[01:26] <arand> NinoScript: Found and fixed?
[01:26] <NinoScript> thanks, I didn't know the name for the cursor theme
[01:26] <arand> NinoScript: Hope for the best
[01:28] <valorie> I've had no sound for a couple of days in kubuntu lucid beta
[01:28] <valorie> any help?
[01:28] <valorie> I've been reading bug reports and such, and I'm not alone
[01:33] <EruditeHermit> hello, does anyone know how to upgrade to lucid if you encounter this error? http://pastebin.com/2kSwz5z4
[01:35] <valorie> you might want to do a fresh install rather than trying to upgrade
[01:35]  * valorie tried upgrading, gave up and did a fresh install
[01:36] <darkaura> I'm using smb4k to try and view my network I'm receiving this error can someone help me? "2010/04/14 19:34:48,  0] passdb/secrets.c:71(secrets_init)
[01:36] <darkaura>   Failed to open /var/lib/samba/secrets.tdb
[01:36] <darkaura> ERROR: Unable to open secrets database"
[01:36] <EruditeHermit> valorie, did you have the same problem?
[01:36] <EruditeHermit> I really don't' want to do a fresh install because I have a lot of data and settings I want to keep
[01:36] <valorie> I can't recall now what my problem was, exactly
[01:36] <yofel> EruditeHermit: you would have to find out what exactly is causing this error
[01:36] <valorie> not that exact error, no
[01:37] <valorie> do you have your home in a separate partition?
[01:37] <EruditeHermit> yofel, how would I do that?
[01:37] <valorie> if so, you can preserve that
[01:37] <EruditeHermit> valorie, nope
[01:37] <valorie> bummer
[01:37] <EruditeHermit> I was thinking of doing that next time
[01:37] <yofel> actually you can just install the os without formatting / , it will simply delete all system folders and keep /home intact
[01:38] <yofel> maybe some other folders too, but I'm not sure there
[01:38] <yofel> EruditeHermit: can you maybe try 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' instead of update-manager?
[01:39] <EruditeHermit> ok
[01:39] <yofel> and from where are you upgrading? karmic or hardy?
[01:40] <valorie> no one has insight on the sound problem?
[01:40] <valorie> I've uninstalled pulseaudio without a change in results
[01:40] <valorie> absolutely zero sound
[01:40] <EruditeHermit> yofel, karmic
[01:41] <perscitus> Is Lucid stable enough for RC yet?
[01:41] <EruditeHermit> perscitus, I have one machine that is fine, but another that has issues
[01:41] <EruditeHermit> its dependent on the hardware often
[01:41] <yofel> valorie: I don't know about sound, crimsun is our audio dev in here, he might not be awake at the moment though (not sure in what timezone he lives in)
[01:41] <psusi> rc is in another week or two, I forget the exact date
[01:42] <valorie> he's in DC
[01:42] <valorie> maybe out for the evening
[01:42] <perscitus> EruditeHermit,   im considering upgrading now and testing the Raddeon
[01:42] <EruditeHermit> perscitus, there is xorg-edgers ppa if you only want Xorg stuff
[01:43] <johnyjohnjohn> does tor work on lucid yet?
[01:45] <yofel> johnyjohnjohn: do you know what package that is in? 'tor' doesn't exist in ubuntu since jaunty
[01:45] <EruditeHermit> tor was removed for security reasons
[01:45] <johnyjohnjohn> didnt know that
[01:46] <EruditeHermit> there is a ppa if you know what you are doing
[01:46] <johnyjohnjohn> ok, thanks
[01:46] <johnyjohnjohn> ill check into it
[01:47] <yofel> EruditeHermit: any update on your upgrade issue?
[01:48] <EruditeHermit> same prob with your method
[01:48] <yofel> does it at least tell you what's wrong?
[01:48] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[01:48] <EruditeHermit> not really
[01:48] <EruditeHermit> but
[01:49] <EruditeHermit> there are logs it says to check
[01:49] <EruditeHermit> in /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[01:49] <EruditeHermit> do you know anything about that?
[01:50] <yofel> check if you have something there
[01:50] <EruditeHermit> I have lots of files
[01:50] <yofel> it logs the upgrade there, but I'm not sure what you'll find there
[01:51] <Syk_> Morning, guys.
[01:52] <yofel> EruditeHermit: maybe you should just wait a day or 2, we have a lot of last minute package uploads as today (15th) is the Final Freeze, after that things should calm down a bit
[01:52] <Syk_> Just wondering - I have a smallish project, and I'm using Ubuntu on thin clients (6 of em). Should I wait for Lucid, or would it be better, stability wise, to go with, say Karmic?
[01:52] <EruditeHermit> yofel, its been like this for a month
[01:53] <EruditeHermit> and I sort of want an updated package today
[01:53] <EruditeHermit> =p
[01:53] <Syk_> I'm just wondering because last time I adopted as soon as it was released I ran into a brick wall of Intel degradation issues :P
[01:53] <EruditeHermit> I need mplayer to watch something today
[01:53] <yofel> EruditeHermit: ok, manual way, but please be cautious:
[01:54] <EruditeHermit> yofel, does any of this mean anything to you
[01:54] <EruditeHermit> http://pastebin.com/FZcGW3Tb
[01:55] <yofel> EruditeHermit: that is still missign something, ok...
[01:56] <yofel> EruditeHermit: first back up your sources.list 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak' . After that make sure all third party repositories (those where the log just now said 'disabled because of unknown mirror') are disabled (commented out in sources.list and all files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/)
[01:57] <EruditeHermit> ok
[01:57] <EruditeHermit> then change all karmics to lucid and dist-upgrade?
[01:57] <yofel> EruditeHermit: yes
[01:57] <perscitus> EruditeHermit,  Think i could install Lucid on flash drive to install ati driver and reboot?
[01:58] <EruditeHermit> perscitus, yep
[01:58] <EruditeHermit> perscitus, you can create a live USB stick
[01:58] <perscitus> i didnt mean creating live cd stic
[01:58] <perscitus> though, i dont have to reboot. just need to restart x
[02:00] <h00k> in Lucid, what is the name of the desktop switcher...something I'd use for the Netbook Edition to get a normal environment without maximus?
[02:00] <Syk_> for NBR?
[02:01] <Syk_> oh you said that
[02:01] <h00k> Syk_: it's no longer 'remix' ;) but yeah
[02:01] <h00k> Syk_: the decided to rebrand it Netbook Edition because 'remix' didn't sound official enough
[02:02] <Syk_> desktop-switcher
[02:02] <Syk_> IIRC
[02:02] <Syk_> just apt-get it, but I think the Karmic version was broken last time I used it
[02:02] <h00k> Syk_: Yeah, I remember that being broken, too :(
[02:02] <EruditeHermit> yofel, I figured it out
[02:02] <Syk_> I ended up installing desktop edition :P
[02:03] <Syk_> There is no actual difference, bar the interface, apparently
[02:03] <h00k> Syk_: desktop switcher doesn't appear in the repos
[02:03] <Syk_> identical kernel, iirc
[02:03] <perscitus> Karmic Remix was horrible experiment going horribly wrong
[02:03] <h00k> Syk_: and Cheese, and the panel settings, and maximus and netbook-launcher, everything else i sthe same
[02:03] <EruditeHermit> yofel, xserver-xorg-video-all causes the ugprade to fail if you have it installed
[02:03] <h00k> and a few other apps, I don't remember which
[02:04] <Syk_> Cheese? I have that in regular edition
[02:05] <h00k> Syk_: ah, that wasn't included with Karmic desktop edition, anyway, and was in the Remix
[02:05] <Syk_> I remember using UbuntuEee before they changed it into EasyPeasy... lol those were the days
[02:05] <yofel> EruditeHermit: can you pastebin the full error from apt?
[02:05] <h00k> EasyPeasy made /me facepalm so hard.
[02:06] <Syk_> When to get basic hardware working you had to use custom kernels and stuff around :P
[02:06] <EruditeHermit> yofel, http://pastebin.com/u4hwqCEg
[02:07] <Syk_> h00k: But, what I did was go into services and disable Maximus and Netbook launcher
[02:07] <Syk_> h00k: and I think it changes something in gconf
[02:07] <yofel> EruditeHermit: I meant the output from the dist-upgrade just now
[02:07] <EruditeHermit> yofel, removing xserver-xorg-video-all metapackage makes the upgrade work
[02:07] <h00k> I like the netbook-edition, however. It's doing pretty well for me.  I found and intermittent bug with Maximus and Gnome-Terminal and reported it, but it's really hard to reproduce and the bug is just kinda hanging there
[02:07] <Syk_> uhh, like desktop/gnome/something/ panel
[02:07] <EruditeHermit> yofel, oh I didn't need to do the dist-upgrade
[02:07] <Syk_> Somewhere in there is a
[02:07] <EruditeHermit> yofel, I just removed the metapackage and did update-manager -d
[02:07] <Syk_> "panel" key which might be changed
[02:08] <yofel> EruditeHermit: well, I just wanted to know what exactly apt-get said
[02:08] <EruditeHermit> yofel, do you need the dist-upgrade output for something
[02:08] <EruditeHermit> I can do that and get the output if you need it
[02:08] <Syk_> h00k: lol... I got so frustrated with maximus+clutter... how do you use it, lol
[02:09] <EruditeHermit> yofel, do you want it?
[02:09] <yofel> EruditeHermit: no, if you don't have it anymore, nvm
[02:09] <DanaG> netbook-launcher looks to me like it'd be good for touchscreens... but not too much more than that.
[02:09] <EruditeHermit> yofel, I haven't done the upgrade yet
[02:09] <Syk_> It's like using windows 7 with that annoying group the windows option on... bloody annoying
[02:09] <EruditeHermit> so I can cancel and get it if you need it for something
[02:09] <yofel> EruditeHermit: ok, can you get it then please?
[02:09] <EruditeHermit> sure
[02:10] <EruditeHermit> yofel, what do you need it for, just curious
[02:10] <h00k> Syk_: I am testing default settings for Lucid Desktop on my laptop and Lucid Netbook on my netbook, I haven't gone and customized much, just to help get the kinks out
[02:10] <yofel> I want to make sure what to file a bug against ;)
[02:10] <DanaG> I usually set my win7 to this:
[02:10] <DanaG> small icons, group only when full.
[02:10] <DanaG> In fact, I really really wish we could get a panel to do that in Ubuntu.
[02:10] <EruditeHermit> yofel, oh do you want me to reinstall xserver-xorg-video-all and then do the dist-upgrade?
[02:10] <DanaG> Non-running things are just icons... running things have text.
[02:12] <yofel> EruditeHermit: if possible yes, as I have xserver-xorg-video-all installed here, so I'm not sure that's the package that's broken
[02:12] <Syk_> heh, I'll reask my question from before... is Lucid "bug-free" enough for use in a long-term project, or would I be safer sticking with Karmic?
[02:12] <Syk_> once it's released, of course
[02:14] <EruditeHermit> ok
[02:14] <Syk_> Karmic was nice to me in beta and release, but Jaunty on my netbook was a disaster when I adopted it as soon it was released :P. so maybe it's getting better? :)
[02:14] <yofel> Syk_: depends if you can risk living with a few bugs in the beginning I think, we should have a bunch of post-release bugfixes as there are still quite a few bugs to be fxied
[02:14] <yofel> *fixed
[02:14] <darkaura> I've tried everything, I've enabled guest account and try to connect to windows 7 shares from ubuntu, but nothing is working
[02:15] <valorie> lucid was awesome until my sound disappeared
[02:15] <Syk_> Hmm.
[02:15] <Syk_> they
[02:15] <yofel> valorie: I'm not really sure how sound works in kubuntu, I'm using kubuntu with pulse as I sometimes use gnome, and that works fine, did you try an older kernel?
[02:15] <Syk_> they;re thin clienty sorts of things
[02:16] <valorie> oh, idea!
[02:16] <Syk_> And I really hope to never attend to them again. oh, and the internet out there is near non-existant :P
[02:16] <valorie> I'll be right back......
[02:16] <yofel> Syk_: I don't know about that, sry
[02:16] <Syk_> I updated a public-use computer and it was stuck on [waiting for headers] for like an hour :P
[02:17] <EruditeHermit> yofel, http://pastebin.com/bxjABR8W
[02:18] <EruditeHermit> yofel, when doing dist-upgrade, it tries to remove xserver-xorg-video-all so it doesn't have a problem
[02:18] <EruditeHermit> I think xserver-xorg-video-all might be on a remove blacklist for update-manager or something
[02:18] <EruditeHermit> during upgrades
[02:20] <yofel> hm, might be, what irritates me is that I can install it just fine here. It seems that it was removed sometime in the past though to resolve a conflict
[02:21] <EruditeHermit> it has some sort of depends on xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[02:21] <EruditeHermit> which is the real problem
[02:21] <darkaura> any one out there who could help me with my samba problem?
[02:21] <valorie> no change
[02:21] <valorie> still no sound
[02:21] <valorie> :(
[02:21] <yofel> well, nouveau is the default nvidia driver now so it should be installed by default
[02:23] <valorie> I have ATI, so that shouldn't make a diff
[02:23] <valorie> I filed a bug, so hopefully it will be addressed
[02:23] <valorie> well, commented on the bug already filed, actually
[02:23] <EruditeHermit> yofel, I have one more interesting log for you
[02:24] <EruditeHermit> yofel, just a sec
[02:27] <Syk_> does Lucid bring anything to the table, touch-screen wise?
[02:28] <Syk_> I can't see much in the feature lists :/
[02:30] <EruditeHermit> yofel, take a look at the bottom of this log
[02:30] <EruditeHermit> read from bottom up
[02:30] <EruditeHermit> http://pastebin.com/tMuaPZB2
[02:31] <EruditeHermit> this is how I figured it was xserver-xorg-video-all
[02:41] <JohnFlux> Hi all
[02:42] <JohnFlux> The latest gcc 4.4.3 in ubuntu+1 crashes when compiling a bit of template code in kdelibs
[02:43] <sebas891> hi folks!
[02:44] <timClicks> has anyone had trouble using apt to install spe?
[02:44] <timClicks> I'm receiving a dependency error
[02:44] <timClicks> "spe: Depends: pychecker (>= 0.8.17-5) but it is not installable"
[02:45] <NinoScript> timClicks, what happens if you try to install pychecker?
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> same issue here timClicks
[02:45] <sebas891> I'm testing 10.04 beta, and with a kvm switch, and some how, X doesn't come up... when I plug the screen directely in the computer, everything works.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> sebas891:  ive heard of similer problems with KVM switches. The X auti config stuff dosent get a proper res mode for the display.
[02:46] <sebas891> Dr_Willis: ok,
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> One fix in the past was putting a specific res modeline in the xorg.conf
[02:46] <NinoScript> timClicks, Package pychecker is not available, but is referred to by another package, etc… :O
[02:47] <sebas891> Dr_Willis: many thanks for the info :) very much appreciated.
[02:47] <sebas891> I'll try that.
[02:49] <sebas891> Another, issue, I think it's a bad idea to put the minimize, max, and close in the left coner of the window...
[02:50] <NinoScript> sebas891, I quite like it
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> sebas891:  join the flamewar in the forums on that topic. :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> or pick a different theme.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> or change them back..
[02:51] <NinoScript> timClicks, seems like pychecker was removed in lucid
[02:51] <sebas891> users have years of looking for these stupide 3 littles buttons, on the right upper coner :)
[02:51] <Odd-rationale> after using it for a while, i found my self going to the left corner when using the windows pcs at school... :)
[02:51]  * Dr_Willis imagines theres going to be a #ubuntu-complain-about-the-buttons channel someday soon.
[02:51] <sebas891> hehehe.
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> at least they Finally got it fixed where when you select a different theme. they go back to the proper side for that theme.
[02:52] <JohnFlux> as long as they don't touch kde, it's all okay
[02:52] <JohnFlux> :-D
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> using kde4 right now. It has its own set of issues :)
[02:52] <sebas891> of course, a little magic with gconftool-2 and they go back to the upper right corner :)
[02:53] <NinoScript> sebas891, there are users who come from MacOS, and they've been years looking at then on the upper left corner :O
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> if they truely wanted to impersonate the mac. they could of also usee that one addon that gives you a mac-like-menu bar instead of them being in the apps windows. :)
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> now that would of been a bold  thing to do.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/global_menu
[02:55] <sebas891> NinoScript: well, I've seen more users move anyway from windows to linux than osx users to linux.
[02:56] <gunksta> does anyone else have a "other" section in their menu that is full of stuff -- as in everything on the system?
[02:56] <gunksta> I'm pretty sure it wasn't there earlier today
[02:56] <NinoScript> I come from MacOSX, and I have Gnome Global Menu and Docky installed, so I feel quite at home :P
[02:57] <Odd-rationale> Well, Matt Asay said in a comment to his blog that "The team to beat isn’t Microsoft. It’s Apple." So it makes sense that they are now trying to cater towards Mac users.
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> gunksta:  Other - has 1 item here. 'adobe air installer'
[02:57] <Volkodav> how do switch to lxde if gdm does not give me the option of changing a session ?
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> I dont see much point in catering to mac users.. :)   Why not target the people that are still using C64's :)
[02:58] <gunksta> Dr_Willis:  mine has, well, everything. Starts with abiword and goes to X Window Snapshot and Yelp
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Volkodav:  i think theres a lxde-desktop command  yoyu could make a gdm session for that.
[02:58] <timClicks> NinoScript: does that mean we should report a bug / notify packagers?
[02:58] <NinoScript> timClicks, I don't know, I'm googling about the removal :D
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> When in doubt. try making a new  user  - see if it affects them.
[02:59] <timClicks> NinoScript: :)
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[02:59] <gunksta> I tried reverting my Menu and no affect
[02:59] <Volkodav> Dr_Willis I tried startlxde without gdm running
[02:59] <NinoScript> timClicks, as you can see here: http://tinyurl.com/pych-cache it once was on lucid
[02:59] <Volkodav> I might need to put it in ~/.xinitrc ?
[03:02] <NinoScript> timClicks, They are removing packages that depend on python2.5
[03:02] <NinoScript> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pychecker/+bug/516932
[03:02] <timClicks> NinoScript: hrm, I see
[03:02] <NinoScript> "as an alternative, just keep plplot, sagemath and vegastrike, but remove python2.5 anyway"
[03:03] <NinoScript> maybe you should tell the developer of spe about that?
[03:03] <NinoScript> or ask the big people, I just got here, haha
[03:04] <timClicks> haha
[03:04] <timClicks> I think the developer will shrug
[03:04] <timClicks> it's the ubuntu maintainer that has responsibility once it's in the distro
[03:07] <gunksta> anyone here have any libvirt experience? I'm having trouble starting my virtual machine with virt-manager/virsh but sudo kvm works just fine.
[03:10] <sebas891> What is the name of the new splash screen at boot with lucid?
[03:10] <sebas891> I would like to do some motifications :)
[03:11] <sebas891> Xsplash , I found it.
[03:14] <cozziemoto> sebas891,  ah are you sure plymouth is not what you want to edit?
[03:15] <sebas891> cozziemoto: maybe :)
[03:15] <cozziemoto> sebas891,  are you talking about the ubuntu text with the dots below it?
[03:16] <sebas891> cozziemoto: also that, I would like to know how to change it.
[03:16] <cozziemoto> sebas891,  well the plymouth themes  are under /lib/plymouty/themes  and the default one is  ubuntu-logo
[03:17] <Zelozelos> is it possible to make a link/icon that ends a specific process?
[03:17] <sebas891> ok,
[03:17] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  like which process?
[03:17] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto xwinwrap
[03:17] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  it should be possible and the command might be   killall xwinwrap
[03:18] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  are you on gnome?
[03:18] <sebas891> did I see correctly, that playmouth is also used in ltsp-client :) nice!
[03:18] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, yep
[03:18] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  why not use   gwinwrap  with shantz's new xwinwrap  if y ou are using this for desktop animated backgrounds
[03:19] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto,  to you think i can make an icon that will kill one instance and start another? like killall xwinwrap | xwinwrap -t -nr etcetc..?
[03:19] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,    ah ... I suppose it's possible ... I have never done that though
[03:20] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,   http://code.google.com/p/gwinwrap/         http://tech.shantanugoel.com/projects/linux/shantz-xwinwrap
[03:20] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, prolly not the smarter way? shoul i make scripts to switch (xwinwrap lets me have a screensaver as a background)
[03:21] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,   gwinwrap is a front end to xwinwrap...written orignally by  gavintgold...i use it all the time
[03:21] <Zelozelos> OH COOL! thanks :)
[03:22] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  i would suggest using shnatz's xwinwrap however along with that and there would be one setting in gwinwrap that has to be changed so let me know when both are installed and i will point you tot he settings that  has to be disabled
[03:23] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,   I had to make a tiny script for gwinwrap to place it in the menu however
[03:23] <Zelozelos> it says i must uninstall aold xwinwrap, all i did was drop the file into my bin should i remove it?
[03:24] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  yeah remove the old on and install the  deb pacakge for the newer xwinwrap
[03:24] <cozziemoto> old one
[03:25] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  I place gwinwrap in the home directory chaning name of directory to just gwinwrap
[03:25] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  sorry guy
[03:25] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  that was for you
[03:27] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  then I use this   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/gwinwrap   and place it in the gwinwrap directory and point the menu item to that script... of course you would have to change the  place to your name  etc etc
[03:27] <Zelozelos> kk i got the shantz-xwinwrap installed
[03:27] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  ok now get gwinwrap
[03:27] <sagaci_> what do you call the dropdown menu with applications, places and system in it
[03:28] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, got it
[03:28] <sebas891> cozziemoto: thank, I'm looking at the plymouth and its themes now, :)   than the login box, is not part of plymounth right?
[03:28] <cozziemoto> sebas891,  no thats  gdm
[03:29] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  you can run ./gwinwrap.py to open it
[03:29] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, heh, im still lookin for the gwinwrap directory
[03:29] <sebas891> cozziemoto: ok... but, I should look at the gdm themes to change the login box?
[03:30] <cozziemoto> sebas891,  well no  because that changed in karmic and is the same in lucid you have to change the theme manually and none of the gdm themes  from gnome-llok will work any longer
[03:30] <Zelozelos> search indexing-dmd if u do dmd if you dont :)
[03:30] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  did you download the svn gwinwrap?
[03:31] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  sorry again
[03:31] <sebas891> cozziemoto: this is what I thought.
[03:31] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  did you download svn gwinwrap?
[03:31] <Zelozelos> yup
[03:31] <Zelozelos> i think zekoZeko is used 2 it by now rofl
[03:32] <cozziemoto> sebas891, you would have to run   gksudo -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties     choose a theme as if you are choosing system theme  then reboot
[03:32] <sebas891> cozziemoto: thanks for the info :)
[03:32] <cozziemoto> sebas891,  that will not change the system theme but will change the gdm theme to look like the theme you chose
[03:33] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  did you open gwinwrap yet?
[03:33] <sebas891> cozziemoto: sort of reverting back to the old gdm theme.
[03:33] <cozziemoto> ok
[03:33] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, where would the gwinwrap directory be?
[03:33] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  where did you download it to?
[03:33] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  where did you download that to?
[03:34] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,   did you open a terminal and run the svn from there without cd  to anotherlocation?
[03:35] <Zelozelos> the script i dl'd to downloads, the gwinwrap i dl/installed from the site http://code.google.com/p/gwinwrap/   did i do it right
[03:35] <cozziemoto>    Zelozelos   well first   where did you install the gwinwrap download?
[03:35] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  is that also in downloads?
[03:36] <sebas891> bbl, thanks folks! keep on rocking with the new release of ubuntu. :)
[03:37] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  the name of the gwinwrap folder is  "gwinwrap-read-only
[03:37] <Zelozelos> yes its in downloads, then i opened it and navied to the shantz-xwinwrap amd64 folder and doubl click on it, it installed
[03:37] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  well actually nothing from gwinwrap has to be installed just  cd to the gwinwrap folder  adn run ./gwinwrap.py
[03:38] <Zelozelos> the full name is shantz-xwinwrap_0.3-1_amd64.deb
[03:38] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  right
[03:38] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  that will install
[03:38] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  gwinwrap does not "install"
[03:38] <Zelozelos> ahhhh
[03:38] <Zelozelos> rofl
[03:39] <cozziemoto> zekoZeko,  so place the gwinwrap folder in home directory  and change the name to just  gwinwrap
[03:39] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  ^^^
[03:39] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,   then open that script in gedit and change the location to /home/yourname/gwinwrap
[03:40] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  then open alacarte  and choose the menu you want gwinwrap to appear in... choose New Item..name it gwinwrap and the command you would click the browse button and locate that gwinwrap script as the commnd
[03:41] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  but be sure that script is in the gwinwrap directory first
[03:41] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  sounds like a bunch of steps but I think you will prefer this appraoch
[03:42] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, heh, it is a lot of steps im totally gettin confused, i cannot find a gwinwrap folder
[03:42] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  ok when you rant the svn download  where did that end up?
[03:43] <Zelozelos> idk
[03:43] <Zelozelos> i still have all the dl's in my dl directory
[03:43] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  ok open a new terminal  and     cd  Desktop
[03:43] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  now run this      svn checkout http://gwinwrap.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ gwinwrap-read-only
[03:43] <kruzztee> hello
[03:44] <cozziemoto> kruzztee,  hey
[03:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/546751
[03:44] <DanaG> argh
[03:45] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  downloaded to Desktop?
[03:45] <ZykoticK9> kruzztee, beta1 and beta2 are really just "points in time" in the development cycle, they aren't necessarily different - just that beta2 has newer packages, more bug fixes sorta thing
[03:45] <DanaG> ah, seems it doesn't like my symlinks of xulrunner libraries.
[03:46] <kruzztee> currently i am using beta 1 of lucid, to use beta2. do i just update my installation
[03:46] <kruzztee> ?
[03:46] <kruzztee> because i remember tomorrow my  package manager make a 600mb update
[03:46] <Nitsuga> kruzztee, yes, just do a normal update
[03:47] <ZykoticK9> !beta | kruzztee
[03:47] <cozziemoto> kruzztee,  I have the same and I generally just   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   it should update to beta2
[03:48] <kruzztee> ok, willl do
[03:48] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  so where are we with this?
[03:48] <kruzztee> i love lucid so much
[03:48] <kruzztee> it makes my netbook work well more than karmic
[03:49] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  would you like to go into PM and have me walk you through this step by step?
[03:49] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, gwinwrap-read-only dosent exist
[03:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/513887
[03:49] <cozziemoto> Zelozelos,  did you locate it?
[03:49] <Zelozelos> cozziemoto, yes PLEASE lets pm
[03:52] <kruzztee> my question now is how to make my fn keys to work
[03:52] <kruzztee> i got no response for it in lucid
[03:54] <LinuxGuy2009> Whats the default in 10.04 when it comes to the default for fstab mount option sync or async?
[03:55] <LinuxGuy2009> Looks like async in man mount.
[03:57] <LinuxGuy2009> I ask because I noticed today that my netbooks hard drive just keeps spinning and spinning. Not sure it ever spins down or anything on battery.
[04:03] <jdsbluedevl> hi, is anyone else in here getting high CPU resource usage in the process "mountall" from today's build?
[04:05] <jdsbluedevl> bug was just filed as bug 563522
[04:10] <wizard_> I was wondering how come I cant install Lucid minimal with i686 archetecture but I can install Xubuntu from alternative CD?  I have minimal ubuntu cd and I want to install a cli but it doesnt work?  Anyone know hwo to fix this, other than re-download a 700mb iso?
[04:10] <lucas1> hello... im having problems with openoffice presentation... in trying to open a MS Powerpoint and fonts appear off the sheet and while using compiz if i want to play the presentation, they play in a corner of my screen...
[04:10] <lucas1> i have ms core fonts installed
[04:13] <wizard_> Hello?
[04:13] <wizard_> _hello_ *hello* ?
[04:14] <jdsbluedevl> your guess is as good as mine
[04:14] <jdsbluedevl> as for me, I'm still waiting for someone to see my bug
[04:14] <wizard_> I have a feeling this version of Ubuntu might not be ready for desktop use, even though its only in beat for anotehr week.
[04:14] <wizard_> beta*
[04:14] <wizard_> another*
[04:15] <brianherman> i <3 purple
[04:15] <jdsbluedevl> ugh, nvm, bug fixed by additional packages
[04:15] <IdleOne> wizard_: why do you think that?
[04:15] <wizard_> Really brianherman?  I think the new look of Ubuntu, it's GDM screen and wallpapers are ugly, especially the window decorations having the exit/max/min on the left hand side of the window.
[04:16] <look> wizard_, did you highlight me?
[04:16] <look> oh wait
[04:16] <IdleOne> oh, not the button thing again!
[04:16] <look> nvm sorry
[04:16] <brianherman> but it's linux you can change that
[04:16] <look> IdleOne, i dont like the buttons either
[04:16] <brianherman> wizard_: I <3 purple better than brown
[04:17] <brianherman> wizard_: plus its not a zune
[04:17] <IdleOne> in Terminal: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string  "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[04:17] <look> purple is better then brown but the buttons? COME ON!
[04:17] <wizard_> brianherman: Ive never been a fan of the default Ubuntu looks.  Brown, Orange and Purple are horridly ugly to me.
[04:17] <IdleOne> there buttons fixed
[04:17] <look> =3
[04:17] <look> ive done that already
[04:17] <IdleOne> stop crying bout it and ask how to undo it :P
[04:17] <SecretofMana> Hey guys, a friend told me that if I'm performing updates on Ubuntu (not upgrading, just grabbing updates), there are benefits to doing so from the terminal as opposed to Update Manager. Is this true, and if so why?
[04:18] <jdsbluedevl> SecretofMana: I'm guessing less resource usage, b/c X isn't drawing as much
[04:18] <wizard_> I wish I could say the same, but I cant get this dang minimal install to work with my PC's i686.  I can, however, upgrade from Karmic (im using upgraded Karmic to Lucid now) and also Xubuntu Alternative cd to install, but I cannot get the Ubuntu Minimal CD to install.  Any help?
[04:18] <SecretofMana> Ahh, okay. Thanks jdsbluedevl
[04:19] <IdleOne> SecretofMana: on my hardware terminal is a little faster the GUI updates/upgrades
[04:19] <look> everyone will have to use linux once microsuck goes under.
[04:19] <brianherman> how do you undo the buttons
[04:19] <IdleOne> then*
[04:19] <look> if they dont they will ahve to use mac........eww
[04:19] <wizard_> look: I dont see that happening any time soon
[04:19] <IdleOne> brianherman: in Terminal: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string  "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[04:19] <brianherman> Idleone:nice
[04:19] <look> wizard_, it will one day
[04:19] <wizard_> look: not in the forseeable future.
[04:19] <wizard_> fore*
[04:20] <jdsbluedevl> look: Android has more of a chance of collapsing right now than Microsoft, and Android is on the up-and-up!
[04:20] <look> yea your right
[04:20] <look> but with bill gates giving his money away like its candy will help them go down faster
[04:20] <SecretofMana> I can't see Microsoft collapsing in my lifetime
[04:20] <brianherman> me either
[04:20] <SecretofMana> or my childrens'
[04:20] <wizard_> I wish I could say the same, but I cant get this dang minimal install to work with my PC's i686.  I can, however, upgrade from Karmic (im using upgraded Karmic to Lucid now) and also Xubuntu Alternative cd to install, but I cannot get the Ubuntu Minimal CD to install.  Any help?
[04:21] <brianherman> maybe my grandchildrens
[04:21] <wizard_> I can see Microsoft leaving teh computer world one day, and moving to other things.
[04:21] <kruzztee> in my exp, the text base update process has better download procedure
[04:21] <jdsbluedevl> btw, is anyone having problems with policykit eating up a ton of CPU usage?
[04:21] <kruzztee> they try to download smaller packages first than the bigger size
[04:22] <kruzztee> other than the graphical synaptics that download packages "serial"-ly
[04:22] <jdsbluedevl> what about using "update-manager -d"?
[04:22] <jdsbluedevl> oh, you mean fresh install of minimal install?
[04:24] <wizard_> I want fresh minimal install on i686, but it says I need x86 or 64 to install, but I CAN install via upgrade from Karmic AND also Xubuntu's Alternative CD.
[04:24] <wizard_> I dont want to DL another iso to install, I already have the Ubuntu Minimal and I need to reinstall.
[04:25] <jdsbluedevl> wizard_: so you have the minimal install already installed?
[04:25] <jMyles> So, is code freeze in 35 mins?
[04:25] <killown> wtf happen with ubuntu lucid? every upgrade it mess with my keyboard... now the up arrow doesn't work,, so i will need wait again for the xorg-input* upgrade??
[04:25] <killown> omg no way
[04:25] <jdsbluedevl> jMyles: wonderful, so does that mean my policykit problem will never be fixed?
[04:26] <jMyles> jdsbluedevl: I have no idea, I was asking.  This is the first time I've run both betas and paid close attention.
[04:26] <wizard_> jdsbluedevl: no, I'm currently on a Karmic Xubuntu Alternative install that was upgraded to Lucid.  I now want to install Lucid Minimal (so I can apt-get prefered apps instead of bloating this box) and I have the CD burned and ready to go.  It just says it will not wortk on my archetecture.  But I already know Lucid works on my PC, im on it RIGHT NOW.
[04:27] <robertzaccour> hey yall those that helped me fix the bug I had thanks a lot :)
[04:29] <wizard_> How do I do a fresh install of the Ubuntu Minimal CD on i686 archetecture?
[04:30] <jdsbluedevl> I don't know.  I mean, if it's saying that you can't install it on your architecture, I'd do perhaps a double-check of the ISO file you downloaded to make sure it's x86 or i686
[04:32] <wizard_> jdsbluedevl: it's not the amd64.  I guess I will have to rm -rf ubuntu $$ apt-get install something_that.works
[04:32] <wizard_> :(
[04:32] <jdsbluedevl> makes as much sense as nuking your computer
[04:33] <jdsbluedevl> which I guess begs the question: did you want to nuke your hard drive?  b/c to me, it seems that way
[04:33] <wizard_> jdsbluedevl: that was a joke.  You're not nerdy enough, man.
[04:34] <jdsbluedevl> no, I'm not
[04:34] <jdsbluedevl> and anyways, I was referring to the clean install you want to do
[04:35] <wizard_> Yeah, im going to do a fresh install.  I dont need anything on this hard drive, this is one of my toy machines.
[04:35] <wizard_> Its only a 10gb peice of 20 year old junk.
[04:36] <wizard_> Anyway, Im off to put something else on here.  Bye
[04:42] <IdleOne> is it normal that lsof is listing a ton of processes being run by root?
[04:52] <histo> IdleOne: yes
[04:53] <IdleOne> histo: ok thatnks
[04:53] <IdleOne> thanks also
[05:09] <kuttans> hello everybody....
[05:11] <kuttans> mountall : skipping mounting /dev/mapper/crypdisk-swap since plymouth is not available on boot up.
[05:11] <kuttans> can anyone translate this in english or is there any work around to remove this error.
[05:11] <kuttans> im getting mountall : plymouth failed to start also
[05:18] <dr3mro> can any one help me compile nautilus actions 2.30.
[05:18] <dr3mro> can any one help me compile nautilus actions 2.30.2
[05:20] <jbuncher> Anyone else running into an update to plasma-widget-networkmanagement that depends *and* conflicts with network-manager-kde?
[05:22] <mawst> How do I install the usbserial Kernel Module?
[05:23] <jbuncher> Bug #561151
[05:27] <bullgard4> What is the function of the file firefox-bin? It occupies my CPU with up to 7% of its computing time.
[05:31] <kuttans> lucid is having a problem with firefox for right now i guess
[05:31] <kuttans> but no one reported it, guess you or me will be the one, i thought of waiting till the final release
[05:33] <bullgard4> kuttans: I suspect the same. It may be related to Launchpad's slow operation. (I am just trying to report an error on my Thinkpad T43 to Launchpad.)
[05:35] <bullgard4> What does 'EC' stand for in Launchpad bug #553593 "thinkpad_acpi: WARNING: Outdated Thinkpad BIOS/EC firmwware"?
[05:41] <bullgard4> I have got it: EC - "embedded controller"
[05:47] <kuttans> thx bullgard4
[05:47] <kuttans> anyone having a problem with plymouth
[05:47] <kuttans> its not allowing me to mount the swap space
[05:48] <kuttans> help on net is very meagre.seems plymouth is young and thats the reason
[05:49] <kuttans> ok bye
[05:57] <astrovark> Hi all - can anyone help with Lucid and Nvidia-current, getting problems with no window manager starting on reboot, no compiz effects, keeps resetting to no effects in System/Appearance
[05:58] <astrovark> Have looked online, reinstalled nvidia-current, and generally tried whatever online help there is, no change
[06:01] <MrDowntempo> How can I monitor the temps of my laptop?
[06:02] <SandGorgon> hi guys.. I have not updated my kubuntu 10.04 installation for many days now, cos there was stuff (like the kernel) which was breaking. Does anybody know of any issues with updating now ?
[06:02] <swoody> MrDowntempo: google lm-sensors :)
[06:03] <swoody> SandGorgon: I haven't encountered any issues :/
[06:03] <MrDowntempo> swoody, no luck. Its a laptop. Needs to read temps from ACPI
[06:03] <astrovark> Anyone with any ideas on Nvidia-current and Lucid and no window manager appearing on boot?
[06:05] <SandGorgon> swoody, ok.. sigh... half my troubles are because of Plymouth - it doesnt show up at native resolution and therefore looks much, much worse than 9.10
[06:05] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Easy fix
[06:05] <swoody> SandGorgon: well, I'm not saying they're not there, just I haven't encountered anything ;) YMMV
[06:06] <SandGorgon> m0ar, oh... how ?
[06:06] <SandGorgon> swoody, :)
[06:06] <m0ar> SandGorgon: The thing is that your boot doesn't know about your res
[06:07] <SandGorgon> m0ar, so I need to put that somewhere ?
[06:07] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Yeah, go root with su
[06:08] <m0ar> Any of you other guys tell me if something isn't right, but this exact fix made it work perfectly for me
[06:08] <m0ar> Then edit /etc/default/grub with your editor of preference
[06:08] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Okay?
[06:08] <SandGorgon> m0ar, yup
[06:09] <m0ar> SandGorgon: I have no idea about your level of linux knowledge, so tell me if i'm going to slow
[06:09] <SandGorgon> m0ar, *grin* yup.. u can prolly speed it up a lot ;)
[06:09] <m0ar> the like tenth line looks like this, right?
[06:09] <m0ar> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash video=vesafb"
[06:09] <SandGorgon> m0ar, thanks for that tho
[06:09] <m0ar> add video=vesafb
[06:09] <m0ar> at the end of it, like i did
[06:09] <SandGorgon> m0ar, oh ok.. cool
[06:10] <m0ar> Yeah, that loads a very general gfx driver early in the boot
[06:10] <m0ar> then GRUB_GFXMODE is commended I guess?
[06:10] <SandGorgon> yup
[06:10] <m0ar> Uncomment and set a resolution thats supported
[06:11] <SandGorgon> m0ar, hmm... thanks ...
[06:11] <m0ar> THis is where I'm unsure, IDK what resolutions really are supported. You'r native is _probably_ fine
[06:11] <m0ar> GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768    <-- worked wonders on my laptop
[06:11] <SandGorgon> m0ar, we actually use linux at our workplace... doing this for 10 desktops is pretty hopeless: however 9.10 looked pretty good to me on bootup.
[06:12] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Not really, are all the computers identical with the same system?
[06:12] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Then just fix one file, put it on a stick and CP that shit
[06:12] <SandGorgon> m0ar, Plymouth and the left side icons were necessary efforts - I really wish more effort was put in webcam drivers for skype
[06:13] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Well, can you tell me if this solution worked? :)
[06:13] <SandGorgon> m0ar, or I'll just stay away from upgrading all desktops till 10.04.1 hits . its a pain
[06:13] <SandGorgon> m0ar, i will
[06:13] <mawst> There's no ipmasq anymore?
[06:13] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Thanks, just query me about it
[06:13] <timClicks> what does "use this source" mean in the software centre?
[06:17] <astrovark> This is infuriating - why won't the window manager start (i.e. I get no top bars, close buttons etc) unless I reset System/Appearance to something other than none (which it's suddenly started defaulting to on boot) - Grr! :)
[06:18] <astrovark> OS: Lucid  Graphics:Nvidia-current
[06:19] <SandGorgon> astrovark, you are having a theme/gnome settings issue. I suggest you RENAME your .gnome2 ,.config  and .themes directories and logout. After that you can narrow down the issue to which directory was affecting it.
[06:19] <astrovark> OK, doing that right now, this has been bugging me all day :)
[06:20] <astrovark> However, the Nvidia drivers did also break earlier, tho it looks like those are reinstalled again
[06:20] <astrovark> Out and in again ...
[06:23] <astrovark> Still starts with no window manager
[06:24] <astrovark> Have to select System/Appearance, change to anything apart from None, then I get a Window Manager
[06:27] <SandGorgon> astrovark, can you check if you have any other .gnome directories .... assuming you renamed/moved your older settings to somewhere safe - you can safely delete your newer .gnome2, .config .themes  and .icons (please make sure you had backed these up earlier). In addition you may have a .gnome (without the 2). try also moving that.
[06:34] <billybigrigger_> anyone having problems with beta2 and intel cards?
[06:34] <astrovark> Oops, killed myself. Also renamed .gconf, WM worked on restart, reset appearance to normal (from none), restarted again, WM vanished again and appearance effects reset to None.
[06:34] <astrovark> I may have to employ percussive maintenance :)
[06:38] <blue102> no probs with intel cards
[06:39] <blue102> only with imbedded sound card
[06:39] <blue102> no sound
[06:39] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[06:39] <billybigrigger_> just doing an update and confirming this in an intel card
[06:39] <billybigrigger_> its an old compaq desktop
[06:39] <astrovark> Xorg log shows Nvidia driver is loading fine, is there anywhere obscure that the WM might log why it's not starting up with X?
[06:40] <astrovark> ls
[06:40] <blue102> Yes I have compaq evo sff 510s
[06:41] <blue102> what do you have for compaq
[06:42] <billybigrigger_> presario
[06:42] <billybigrigger_> intel celeron
[06:42] <blue102> specs ?
[06:42] <billybigrigger_> dunno yet
[06:42] <billybigrigger_> in the middle of an update
[06:42] <billybigrigger_> not my pc
[06:43] <blue102> ok
[06:43] <blue102> I got several the evo d500 runs fine sound graphics exelent
[06:43] <astrovark> Anyone make sense of this ->
[06:43] <astrovark> (gnome-appearance-properties:4167): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_sync: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
[06:44] <astrovark> Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators
[06:44] <astrovark> Found no decorator to start
[06:44] <billybigrigger_> i can see the starting plymouth screen, then everything goes blank
[06:44] <billybigrigger_> alt-sysreq-k works to reboot, so its not hardlocked, im narrowing it down to gfx problems
[06:45]  * billybigrigger_ is kind of annoyed Xorg.conf is gone by default
[06:45] <blue102> sorry I don't use plymounth
[06:45] <billybigrigger_> its installed by default now isnt it?
[06:45] <blue102> have not noticed
[06:45] <billybigrigger_> maybe its not plymouth then, maybe is the new new grub boot slpash screen
[06:45] <billybigrigger_> that i'm seeing
[06:46] <blue102> what does it look like
[06:46] <blue102> do you have dual boot
[06:46] <billybigrigger_> purple, ubuntu logo, with 4 purpe/white dots undereath
[06:46] <billybigrigger_> no dual boot
[06:46] <blue102> never seen it I just installed it and did all the updates
[06:47] <blue102> this morning
[06:47] <astrovark> I got that startup screen after removing HAL during playing with Lucid
[06:48] <SandGorgon> billybigrigger_, try disabling your floppy drive in your bios - I have seen that solving a couple of problems. Alternatively, you can add "debug=" to your grub boot and see where it stops
[06:49] <astrovark> [Restarting X again ... *sigh*]
[06:50] <blue102> I don't have grub loaded it just boots
[06:50] <blue102> can't understand it
[06:50] <billybigrigger_> how do you not have grub loaded?
[06:50] <blue102> its not
[06:51] <swoody> I think you have grub, but with Lucid, it just doesn't show the grub menu by default :)
[06:51] <swoody> (unless you have another OS installed)
[06:51] <holstein> !grub2
[06:51] <billybigrigger_> sudo apt-cache policy grub-common
[06:52] <billybigrigger_> blue102, i can guarantee you have grub installed
[06:52] <blue102> it just boots with a blank screen and after a while I see xjfc4
[06:52] <billybigrigger_> grub-common:
[06:52] <billybigrigger_>   Installed: 1.98-1ubuntu4
[06:52] <billybigrigger_>   Candidate: 1.98-1ubuntu5
[06:54] <blue102> I believe you but it does not tel me
[06:54] <blue102> xfce4 splash screen
[06:56] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Tried?
[06:57] <SandGorgon> m0ar, updates running in the background. already made changes will wait till after updates to reboot.
[07:05] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Ah, I'm leaving now so send me a query
[07:06] <SandGorgon> m0ar, sure
[07:10] <MistStlkr> I have been able to use the previous two LiveCDs only under "safe graphics mode" on this computer but when I hit F4 on the 10.04b2 disk it is not an option.  Has it moved or is that not going to be an option any longer?
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[07:15] <voss749> Ho ho ho
[07:16] <voss749> Mist why not do an upgrade?
[07:17] <MistStlkr> building a new system at the end of the month, this one is more or less fried, but the liveCDs seem to work well enough for the time being.  Just thought I'd have a look at Lucid.
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> Miststlkr: if the shoe fits :)
[07:20] <MistStlkr> "building a new system" is as good an excuse as I've seem for finally ditching windows on the desktop.  I have a mythbuntu system running the HTPC which I'll be upgrading ASAP as well.. but again, thought I'd have a gander before going into it.  Too much going on with renovations right now to be putting proper time into the build/upgrade, thought the LiveCD was a good alternative
[07:21] <MistStlkr> but can't get the 10.04b2 Live running on this system without the "safe graphics" option that the older disks had
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Miststlkr: consult the hcl for parts to avoid heartache :)
[07:23] <MistStlkr> will do
[07:23] <MistStlkr> happen to have any suggestions on getting this live session working?
[07:29] <MistStlkr> brb
[07:33] <gartral> is lm-sensors still the way too read intel Core chip temps?
[07:35] <albertito> gartral: I use them, they seem to work just fine
[07:36] <gartral> someone in #ubuntu warned me against using them in 9.10
[07:39] <albertito> gartral: I use them in 9.10 all the time. Was there a rationale for the warning?
[07:40] <gartral> albertito: some P55 chipsets have had issues..  all he said, i belive he was refering too the NF200-laced ones
[07:43] <albertito> gartral: then I have no idea. I don't have any P55 chipsets, and it works fine here
[07:43] <gartral> albertito: do you know of a way to turn the fan up on nvidia cards?
[07:43] <albertito> gartral: sorry, no. I don't have any nvidia card (I try avoid them)
[07:43] <gartral> im not worried, i dont have the NF200 bridge
[07:43] <gartral> albertito: why's that?
[07:44] <gartral> brb
[07:44] <albertito> gartral: as a developer, the driver stuff bothers me, and I don't actually need any of the features
[07:46] <gartral> back
[07:47] <Merlin_> is there a fix to the flickering screen problem on ppc g4 imac?
[07:54] <MistStlkr> hrm... on second look, the 10.04 livecd boots to the splash then just freezes up whereas previous ones would keep going, but with garbled graphics... so maybe it's something else.
[07:56] <Merlin_> im getting the garbled graphics one
[07:56] <Merlin_> i take it there is no workaround?
[07:57] <MistStlkr> on the previous two liveCDs I was able to fix that by hitting F4 on the boot menu where you choose live session or install and selecting "safe graphics" but that option isn't there on the 10.04 menu
[07:57] <MistStlkr> I'm hoping to find one
[07:58] <MistStlkr> maybe something you can add to the arguments line or something??
[07:59] <MistStlkr> or one of the mysterious and confusing options under the F6 menu?
[07:59] <Merlin_> i dont think i have those menus
[07:59] <Merlin_> i have a yaboot prompt
[08:03] <MistStlkr> hrm.  I'm working off the 10.04 beta 2 live cd I downloaded last night or the night before.  guess we should be comparing apples to apples here.. what are you working off of?
[08:03] <Merlin_> beta 2
[08:04] <Merlin_> ppc desktop
[08:05] <MistStlkr> I won't be of any help at all to you, sorry.. I know just enough to myself screwed up at this point... sorry
[08:05] <Merlin_> :)
[08:12] <len_> Well I figured out my problems with lucid and nvidia 195 drivers.  I looked aweful because of gpu scaling.  Had to add a line to xorg to make it not do native scaling.  The crashing was caused by kwin.  I had to disable kwin desktop effects.  So I guess the drivers are only broken in regards to kwin.  That's why most in here (non kubuntu users) weren't having the problems.
[08:12] <len_> That's a pretty big deal for kubuntu though
[08:13] <len_> to get worked out before 10.04 final
[08:16] <JohnFlux> Hi all
[08:16] <JohnFlux> is there someone involved with gcc here?
[08:21] <MistStlkr> alright all, good night
[08:33] <gartral> hmm, i broke a package somehow, how do i check that?
[08:33] <thecookie> So, where can I find the boot log? I cant boot up in normal mode, only in recovery mode
[08:38] <BUGabundo_remote> bRoas
[08:41] <thecookie> :|
[08:47] <thecookie> Oh, well
[08:52]  * BUGabundo_remote wonders what changed links colors in last update
[09:17] <joaopinto> good morning
[09:18] <BUGabundo_remote> ola joaopinto
[09:18] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone as any idea what changed links colors in last update ?
[09:18] <BUGabundo_remote> don't like orange that much
[09:18] <BUGabundo_remote> nor do I see how to revert it
[09:19] <joaopinto> you mean firefox links ?
[09:19] <blue102> how do I unhide panels in xfce4
[09:19] <BUGabundo_remote> everywhere
[09:19] <BUGabundo_remote> at list pidgin for me
[09:20] <blue102> I lost my panels top and bottom in xfce4 how do I get them back
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> !ping
[09:21] <Mohero> Please use the format !ping {location} {# of pings (default of 5, 20 max)}
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> errk
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> can someon ping me please
[09:22] <BUGabundo_remote> http://localhost/
[09:22] <BUGabundo_remote> http://127.0.0.1
[09:22] <BUGabundo_remote> 127.0.0.1
[09:22] <BUGabundo_remote> www.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <BUGabundo_remote> http://localhost/
[09:23] <BUGabundo_remote> ok
[09:23] <BUGabundo_remote> that's better
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> sorry for the spam
[09:27] <hateball> Is there a known problem with nVidia restricted drivers and not detecting proper external monitor resolutions?
[09:28] <jihedamine> Hi. I'm having some "unable to write bytes broken pipe" messages on boot with an upgrade from karmic to lucid. I googled but found nothing accurate. Any help please?
[09:29] <killown> do anyone know if gloob-preview works in ubuntu lucid?
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> killown: no idea. don't even know what that is
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> jihedamine: that I recall seeing
[09:31] <BUGabundo_remote> how did you upgrade?
[09:31] <killown> ok
[09:32] <jihedamine> BuGabundo_remote: update-manager -d
[09:33] <BUGabundo_remote> jihedamine: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[09:34] <BUGabundo_remote> does it do anythign ?
[09:34] <jihedamine> nope
[09:39] <gartral> BUGabundo_remote: i was brave, i did do-release-upgrade -d
[09:39] <defswork> can anyone help me with what appears to be a plymouth problem ?  Just hangs on the (low rez) splash screen with 5 dots lit constant red
[09:43] <hateball> defswork: tried booting without splash ?
[09:44] <defswork> hateball, by change boot line in grub - yes - still comes up with the plymouth splash eventually and hangs the same
[09:44] <hateball> defswork: ah alright
[09:45] <defswork> removed quiet too
[09:45] <defswork> hmm
[09:45] <defswork> fecking thing has booted now
[09:45] <defswork> I hate random acts of computers
[09:46] <SilverCode> does anyone know if the 2.6.33 SSD TRIM stuff is being backported for 10.04?
[09:47] <BUGabundo_remote> gartral: samething
[09:47] <BUGabundo_remote> SilverCode: unless someone opens a wishbug, and a lot of user ask for it, NO
[09:47] <BUGabundo_remote> I got that directly from kernel dev, yesterady
[09:48] <SilverCode> BUGabundo_remote: wow ... I would assume something like that would be considered rather improtant, especially considering ubuntu's drive for fast boot times
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> mew
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> me too
[09:48] <BUGabundo_remote> but its not in .32
[09:49] <BUGabundo_remote> so it was not considered
[09:49] <BUGabundo_remote> SilverCode: TRIM has nothing to do with boot speed
[09:50] <SilverCode> BUGabundo_remote: yeah, I know, but I would think that they would show some SSD love to help brag about boot speeds. IE: With an SSD, you can get 2s Boot Times!
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> as I said
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> they _might_ consider it
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> *if* anyone requests it
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> the funny thing is, several ppl ask here for it
[09:51] <SilverCode> meh, probably easier to just compile my own kernel then
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> one made a lot of noise
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> but so far, even though I pull all this info into clear, NO ONE done anything in LP
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> pff
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> so I guess, no one really cares enough
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> SilverCode: compile a kernel? what for?
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> .33 and .34 are on kernel team ppa
[09:52] <BUGabundo_remote> but have not extra kind of support
[09:52] <SilverCode> ah, cool
[09:53] <brianherman> kernels are tasty
[09:54] <SilverCode> BUGabundo_remote: is there a launchpad bug open for the TRIM stuff (and do you have a link)?
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> SilverCode: you know, I hate to repeat my self
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> and I'm grumpy today, changed breakfast diet, coatch orders
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> I said twice already, no one filed a bug, as far as I know
[09:55] <SilverCode> BUGabundo_remote: ah, ok, I didn't read your original response correctly
[09:55] <SilverCode> sorry 'bout that
[09:56] <BUGabundo_remote> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-unr-ssd-optimizations
[09:56] <BUGabundo_remote> this is all I have
[09:58] <SilverCode> ta
[10:10] <blue102> quiet at the mo
[10:10] <blue102> beta 2 must be good
[10:11] <blue102> what desktop are you using I use xfce
[10:38] <killown> after update my ubuntu lucid does have not a sound
[11:04] <Votan> i tried to put my /tmp and /var/log into the RAM. It iddnt work and I deleted both lines in my fstab. Now it still keeps giving me "Mount: mounting non on /dev  failed: No such device" and "init ureadahead main process (xxx) terminated with status 5) Any ideas why this happens even after I deleted the entries in my fstab ?
[11:07] <om26er> If I change the affected package, leave that bug in the bugday page?
[11:08] <DSpair> Hey gang, having a problem with VPN config on Lucid.
[11:09] <DSpair> When I configure the VPN settings, I go into the IPv4 settings, add a route for the default gateway (because the default route get pointed over the tunnel when connecting), but it won't store the settings.
[11:10] <om26er> oops wrong channel
[11:27] <quiritius> i have *klibc-usBAintlt99f0TITo98H_trqH2c.so in /lib folder. wonder what is the file, with such strange name.
[11:33] <alvin> Votan: What filesystem fails to mount?
[11:38] <Votan> alvin i have no idea the messae i wrote is the only thing that's shown' and there's no entry with none for /dev whatsoever in my fstab
[11:40] <alvin> You're not using LVM by any chance? I have also put /tmp on tmpfs because of the karmic bug where the contents were not deleted at boot. This survived the upgrade to Lucid.
[11:48] <Votan> alvin no i dont,  it's jsut an 80gig SSD in my netbook. well I got tmp on tmpfs but i tried to get varlog etc merged into ram aswell and that failed :)
[11:48] <Votan> but i think i found my problem, i am using a mainline vanilla .33 kernel for ATA Trim support, and those seem to be compiled wiht karmic configs
[11:49] <Votan> so the do not support devtmpfs and this results in my error message at boot as i am on lycid
[11:49] <alvin> I thought tmpfs has been in the vanilla kernel for years
[11:51] <Votan> tmpfs yes, but not devtmpfs
[11:51] <Votan> .32 is compiled with devtmpfs=n
[11:51] <Votan> but 33 is using it to mount /dev
[11:51] <Votan> so that's why it's giving out the error and then falling back to tmpfs
[11:52] <alvin> Oh. I didn't know that
[11:52] <Votan> wel, at least that's how I understood it :> I might be wrong, dunno, but this is so far the best explanation i got for my problem :)
[11:56] <edgy>  when I ftp to lucid and mkdir non-latin directory name, ls would show ?????, why?
[12:01] <andre_> Hello, is this channel for the Kubuntu Lucid as well? I can't join #kubuntu+1 without invitation..
[12:02] <alvin> andre_: Yes, it is
[12:03] <andre_> Ok, I get an error with akonadi, it says it don't find any resources Is this an known issue?
[12:03] <alvin> I have yet to meet the Kubuntu user who hasn't any errors in his akonadi logs
[12:04] <vistakiller> hi
[12:04] <vistakiller> plasma-widget-networkmanager and audacious is still break
[12:04] <vistakiller> audacious-plugins-extra
[12:05] <alvin> do an upgrade, plasma-widget-networkmanager will be removed
[12:05] <vistakiller> is ok to remove?
[12:05] <vistakiller> is not this applet to the system tray?
[12:05] <alvin> yes, knetworkmanager will stay or be installed
[12:05] <alvin> no, it isn't. That one is knetworkmanager
[12:05] <vistakiller> a ok thanks :)
[12:05] <andre_> hehe, I have just started using kubuntu, always used gnome before.. But another thing is that Kmail is not connecting to my mailserver anymore.. It worked perfectly fine yesterday and I got syncronized, but after a reboot it just hangs on 100% without doing anything
[12:06] <vistakiller> maybe is a bug
[12:06] <vistakiller> i see this problem in kubuntu forum
[12:06] <vistakiller> it appear after the last update
[12:06] <vistakiller> that i do just now :P
[12:06] <alvin> The akonadi errors are 'normal' (well, not good, but everyone has them) The kmail is something new for me.
[12:06] <vistakiller> yeah for kmail i say
[12:06] <vistakiller> wait to find the link
[12:07] <Urda> did/does the Rc of 10.04 get released today?
[12:07] <vistakiller> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111023.0
[12:07] <vistakiller> no in 18
[12:08] <alvin> Kmail works here, but my address book is not operational. Also, the stop and restart buttons in akonadi are not responding to pressure.
[12:09] <andre_> another thing is that kmail will not allow me to add my gpg key for encryption, signing is ok, but I can not use it for encryption. When I select it it gets a red cross over the icon
[12:09] <alvin> address book is back. The buttons must have worked without any feedback
[12:09] <SandGorgon> I disabled akonadi, strigi and nepomuk - changed my launcher to Lancelot and now my machine takes up about 300mb at startup...
[12:09] <andre_> I also had to install the gnupg2 to get the gpgconf thing that kmail uses
[12:10] <alvin> gpg is something else. Signing works here. Didn't try encryption
[12:10] <alvin> That's weird. I thought that everything you needed for gpg signing was in the basic install (since Jaunty?)
[12:11] <andre_> yes, but the key manager thing or something (gpgconf) is not in default install, it says its missing until i installed gnupg2
[12:11] <vistakiller> i use KDE 4 years now
[12:11] <vistakiller> my opinion is tha KDE4 is still in alpha
[12:11] <vistakiller> is not stable at all
[12:12] <vistakiller> many problems after tha last 4.4 update
[12:12] <vistakiller> they have break adressbook and many problems with akonadi
[12:12] <alvin> Aside from akonadi, I have less crashes with 4.4
[12:12] <vistakiller> the only thing that work for me is nepomuk
[12:13] <alvin> Ah, you're right there. The kaddressbook was a bad decision. Too many lost functionality
[12:13] <vistakiller> me too i dont have crashes
[12:13] <vistakiller> i have lost all my contact with kadressbook
[12:13] <alvin> Most people have
[12:14] <vistakiller> and the developer of kaddressbook say "is not available at the moment" :P
[12:14] <alvin> I hope the transition of kmail to akonadi is handles better
[12:14] <andre_> alvin: I'm sorry, the encryption issue is in kontact under identities
[12:14] <alvin> andre_: let me see
[12:14] <vistakiller> KDE is not for stable work like gnome
[12:15] <alvin> You can't do anything more than select your key. Isn't it working?
[12:16] <andre_> I can select the openpgp key in signing, and it looks good in encryption as well until i click it, then it gets an red cross over the icon and cannot be selected
[12:16] <alvin> I beg to differ on that point. Akonadi has a bad implementation in kubuntu, but it's a great idea. Other than that, KDE4 is working fine for the most part. (ok, things like the NFS kioslave and SSL certificate imports are broken) Gnome has issues too. Try to log into a remote server from gdm. It won't work.
[12:17] <alvin> andre_: Hmm, I can, but this was an upgrade from Karmic.
[12:17] <andre_> ok, i just did an clean install of beta2 yesterday and have all updates..
[12:17] <alvin> I didn't try the NFS kioslae in Lucid. Let's see
[12:17] <JohnFlux> Hi guys
[12:17] <alvin> Nope, still broke.
[12:18] <echosystm> are canonical still going ahead with trying to make the titlebar controls theme-switchable?
[12:18] <JohnFlux> There's a fairly serious problem in that gcc crashes
[12:18] <JohnFlux> Can I get someone to elevate the priority or something
[12:18] <JohnFlux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults/+bug/560135
[12:18] <echosystm> and more importantly, who came up with such a stupid idea?
[12:18] <alvin> andre_: Try security > Crypto Backends
[12:20] <andre_> alvin: there is where the gpgconf thing was missing, I have also installed gpgsm for s/mime now and after a reboot i could select the s/mime option in there as well, but I had to install gnupg2 for the configure (gpgconf) to work
[12:21] <alvin> You probably only need the gpgconf. It's the only thing that is checked here
[12:21] <andre_> gpgconf is in the gnupg2 package
[12:22] <andre_> maybe it should be added to the default installation
[12:22] <alvin> I do not have gnupg2 installed!
[12:22] <alvin> but I do have gnupg
[12:22] <andre_> and the configure button (gpgconf) is working?
[12:22] <alvin> That's in ubuntu-minima
[12:23] <andre_> i had gnupg as well yesterday and it didn't work, after checking the suggestions in terminal i had to install gnupg2 and after that it worked
[12:23] <alvin> Ah, I can't press configure because gpgconf is not installed. But the keys are working.
[12:23] <andre_> yeah :)
[12:23] <alvin> It's possible I did that manually years ago
[12:25] <SandGorgon> JohnFlux, the way to elevate priority to get many people to mark "affects me too"
[12:25] <andre_> but you can add the key for encrytpion in identities alvin?
[12:26] <alvin> Oh yes
[12:27] <andre_> a good thing is that kmail just found out its working again :P
[12:33] <alvin> lol
[12:34] <firmW> After I upgrade to 10.0.4 version my Ubuntu windows system are crazy, anything I could try before reinstalling it from scratch?
[12:35] <Ian_Corne> define 'crazy'
[12:35] <Ian_Corne> and windows system
[12:35] <firmW> Ian_Corne, the graphic interface windows, they open out of border and in wierd positions...
[12:37] <Ian_Corne> you mean any windows?
[12:37] <Ian_Corne> you mean any window?*
[12:37] <lucas-arg> haha good correction
[12:38] <firmW> Ian_Corne, yes, any window.
[12:38] <Ian_Corne> you can alt drag them back into your screen
[12:38] <Ian_Corne> have you checked if your resolution is still the same?
[12:38] <firmW> alt drag? what do you mean by that?
[12:39] <andre_> firmW: press and hold the alt key and drag the windows
[12:39] <Ian_Corne> press alt and left click on your window, holding your mousbutton down, drag the window back in your screen
[12:42] <firmW> andre_, doesn work anyways.
[12:43] <firmW> do you mean this is normal about what is going on with the windows?
[12:45] <andre_> firmW: no, but sometimes you just put them in place again and then it fixes the problem in the future
[12:46] <Ian_Corne> firmW: can you take a screenshot of what is up?
[12:46] <Ian_Corne> because it's not reallt clear
[12:58] <matumba> hey, does anyone know why i have to push 'ctrl+c' twice to abort a sudo password request?
[12:59]  * alvin tests this
[12:59] <alvin> I wouldn't know. I only have to press Ctrl+C once
[13:00] <matumba> hm... it looks like this for me
[13:00] <matumba> test@box:~$ sudo touch test
[13:00] <matumba> [sudo] password for test:
[13:00] <matumba> [sudo] password for test:
[13:00] <matumba> test@box:~$
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> same here
[13:01] <tsimpson> try ctrl-d instead
[13:02] <matumba> that gives me a 'Sorry, try again.' after the second time
[13:02] <iconmefisto> what does ctrl-d do?
[13:02] <tsimpson> ctrl-d is "end of file"
[13:03] <joaopinto> matumba, that is strange, I can't reproduce it
[13:03] <Urda> If I jump my 9.10 x64 to 10.04 beta 2 today, there is no going back correct?
[13:03]  * matumba boots his notebook
[13:04] <tsimpson> typing ctrl-d works here
[13:04] <tsimpson> me@work:~$ sudo echo done
[13:04] <tsimpson> [sudo] password for me:
[13:04] <tsimpson> me@word:~$
[13:04] <SandGorgon> anybody using kdiff3 with svn here - I cant seem to set it up correctly. on conflict and "l", I get "Failed to start (exitwhy 6)"
[13:05] <matumba> same on my notebook - maybe it's cause i'm using a german keyboard layout?
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> qwertz!
[13:06] <tsimpson> it shouldn't matter, ctrl-d is not locale dependant
[13:07] <abuayyoub> Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me. I just installed Ubuntu a couple days ago and everything is perfect except I have no sound over HDMI. I have a sony vaio laptop with ATI Radeon. I have looked all over the palce for a fix but noone seems to have one.
[13:08] <matumba> will try a daily live cd then - it's great to have no bigger problems than that :D
[13:13] <vistakiller> nice with the last update i dont have the akonadi error anymore
[13:15] <Urda> abuayyoub: what version are you running
[13:16] <abuayyoub> Lucid updated yesterday evening
[13:17] <vistakiller> i have some cifvs errors at startup
[13:17] <vistakiller> i have in ftsab an entry for that
[13:18] <abuayyoub> Urda I'm running Lucid Updated as of yesterday
[13:18] <Urda> mmk
[13:20] <alket> I am updating in Lucid Lynx and this error came out and updating stopped: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ttf-indic-fonts-core_1%3a0.5.8ubuntu1_all.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 127
[13:20] <gnomefreak> ok now ill be back in a few
[13:20] <andre_> marok is completely unusable.. sometimes it works, most of the time it does not.. specially with the internet radio stations
[13:21] <andre_> amarok*
[13:21] <andre_> it says it is playing but no sound, and the indicator for where in the track its plying is gone..
[13:23] <m_anish> Hi I am facing issues with ubuntu-bug application, it fails when it tries to send a report saying server error!
[13:24] <andre_> and apport in kde is freezing if you try to close it..
[13:24] <m_anish> andre_, +1 yes; same here
[13:24] <m_anish> andre_, but in gnome as well
[13:27] <m_anish> FYI, anyone using ubuntu-lucid with in.archive.ubuntu.com in their sources.list is  likely to face another issue (which has probably just unearthed today)... refer http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1454846 for more details; This probably affects ubuntu-lucid users in India
[13:28] <powerstone2> Hello! Can someone help me with a networking problem? dhcp served from Lucid Server via dnsmasq to Ub. Desk. Client (Karmic), but Karmic can't ping (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9124492#post9124492)
[13:28] <Votan> anyone else getting a lot of Fails for "Translation-en_US" when trying to update ? Why do I even have those, i dont use that translation ? o.0
[13:28] <joaopinto_> Votan, that is usual, but to be honest I didn't checked the purpose of those either, it maybe for packages decriptions
[13:29] <Votan> mh, i think i should remove those, they jsut keep spamming :)
[13:29] <alket> I am updating in Lucid Lynx and this error came out and updating stopped: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/ttf-indic-fonts-core_1%3a0.5.8ubuntu1_all.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 127	
[13:30] <gnomefreak> Votan: you may not beable to without removing things you want, but i never tried
[13:30] <joaopinto_> alket, file a bug report
[13:30] <Votan> mh i see.
[13:30] <Votan> then i stick to them and let them fail once in a while ;)
[13:30] <alket> joapinto how to report it
[13:31] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[13:31] <joaopinto_> Votan, for now remove the "ttf-indic-fonts-core" package, that should allow to proceed
[13:31] <joaopinto_> but then please use: ubuntu-bug ttf-indic-fonts-core
[13:32] <Votan> indic fonts ? like in fonts for some indian languages ?
[13:32] <joaopinto_> Votan, I guess
[13:32] <Votan> well seems save to remove those, as I'll never use them i guess
[13:32] <joaopinto_> Votan, if you are not familiar with bug reporting I am not sure you should be using a beta :)
[13:33] <Votan> i am familiar with bug reporting, i just couldnt identify where the fails from the translation came from as it isnt installed in the first plavce
[13:33] <abuayyoub> Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me. I just installed Ubuntu a couple days ago and everything is perfect except I have no sound over HDMI. I have a sony vaio laptop with ATI Radeon. I have looked all over the palce for a fix but noone seems to have one.
[13:33] <joaopinto_> if is not installed it's being pulled by the upgrade process
[13:33] <joaopinto_> it it was not
[13:33] <abuayyoub> I'm running Lucid updated today
[13:35] <gnomefreak> abuayyoub: soone else had mentioned that problem a day or 2 ago. i dont remember if i was here yesterday
[13:35]  * gnomefreak left before i saw a fix/work around/ bug
[13:35] <abuayyoub> i wasn't here yesterday
[13:35] <abuayyoub> did they come up with a fix?
[13:35] <abuayyoub> oh bummer
[13:35] <Urda> I need some Super guru advice, Dual Booting Windows 7 Pro and 9.10 both x64 and was thinking about moving up to 10.04 Beta2 before the RC and actual release occur... notes suggestions warnings?
[13:36] <Urda> ...and yes GRUB2 is the bootloader on the system at this time
[13:36] <abuayyoub> i downloaded all the drivers etc. Anything I could find in synaptic for my card but nothing seems to work
[13:36] <Ian_Corne> back everthing up
[13:36] <gnomefreak> Urda: just run upgrade using update-manager -d
[13:36] <matumba> good, cannot replicate the "need to push ctrl-c twice to abort a sudo pwd req" problem with a live cd - so somethings went wrong during the dev cycle
[13:37] <Urda> gnomefreak: no I know that... I was more curious about the stability and any issues one may have encountered already
[13:37] <Urda> the upgrade method, I know that,
[13:37] <Ian_Corne> matumba: but the sudo on a livecd doesn't require a password
[13:37] <Ian_Corne> does it?
[13:37] <matumba> Ian_Corne, i created a new user
[13:37] <gnomefreak> Urda: that pretty much depends on packages you have but the main packages are good for the most part also depends on your hardware
[13:38] <Urda> gnomefreak: Hmmm, I wonder if the x61 tablet has any notes somewhere...
[13:38] <powerstone2> Hello! Can someone help me with a networking problem? dhcp served from Lucid Server via dnsmasq to Ub. Desk. Client (Karmic), but Karmic can't ping (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9124492#post9124492)
[13:39] <gnomefreak> Urda: sorry not sure but you can search bugs in launchpad.net
[13:40] <Urda> gnomefreak: I have an article on the thinkpad website about it :) no worries
[13:40]  * Urda is thinking he will pull the trigger and do an upgrade from 9.10 today
[13:42] <alvin> Urda: I would suggest upgrading on a tty with do-release-upgrade and leaving ssh open for rescue purposes. I had the problem that kdm restarted during upgrade, and I couldn't input anything. With ssh, I could stop kdm and continue the upgrade.
[13:43] <Urda> alvin: I don't know if I know how to do that off hand :s
[13:44] <Urda> fyi this isnt a dev system, just personal
[13:47] <alvin> Simple, press Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in, type sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:48] <Urda> alvin: hmm ok so if something goes wrong I still can grab it through ssh?
[13:48] <Ian_Corne> possibly
[13:48] <alvin> No, (unless you run it within screen), but you'll be able to stop other services when needed.
[13:49] <Urda>  alvin ah ok
[13:50] <Urda> oh I know where I am now :) I seldom use this lol
[13:51] <Urda> and going from Beta2 to RC or release will be just as easy right :)
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> no promises
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> It's still a pre-release version
[13:53] <Urda> Ian_Corne: but usually this is so correct? I haven't done a release upgrade since forever
[13:53] <Pici> !final
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> Urda: why do you want to upgrade already, are you interested in testing?
[13:54] <myk_robinson> wtf? Why has the position of the min/max/close buttons changed AGAIN???!!!
[13:54] <Urda> Ian_Corne: a bit, I've had a clean VM running it
[13:54] <alvin> ubottu, the recommended Debian way is using aptitude full-upgrade
[13:54] <alvin> I know :-)
[13:54] <kuttans> hello everybody
[13:54] <chi_> myk: you can costemize these positions
[13:55] <gnomefreak> who was it that said ttf-indic-fonts-core failed to update?
[13:55] <kuttans> can anyone tell me how to log all my boot time messages in lucid
[13:55] <myk_robinson> chi_: i know, but i find it interesting that they keep changing on their own
[13:55] <chi_> :)
[13:55] <myk_robinson> chi_: i like the way they were before this morning's updates, they were still on the left side, but in an order where the close button was at the edge instead of inside
[13:56] <kuttans> how to log all the boot time messages + /etc/default/bootlogd is not useful, its not logging anything at all
[13:56] <alvin> kuttans: You could vote for bug 328881
[13:57] <myk_robinson> well, just wanted to complain about buttons for a minute... time for a shower...
[13:57] <alvin> /etc/default/bootlogd should be removed. It's not recommended to enable it, and it doesn't work anyway.
[13:58] <gnomefreak> alket if you are still here you can have a look at bug 563771 for the ttf-indic-fonts upgrade issue
[13:58]  * gnomefreak be back in a bit
[13:58] <chi_> myk_robinson:  maybe there were changed for the final release candidate? ... there is this talk on how kernel releases are made for linux (google-talks) ... i bet the ubuntu releases are even more confusion ^^
[13:59] <chi_> hi dear all, I have a beta2 installation (kubuntu) and I am missing the cpufreq deamon (running a laptop with speedstepping) ... is cpufreq still the choice to use speedstepping technologies?
[14:09] <robin0800> chi_: add cpu frequency monitor
[14:11] <Merlin_> ok i have determined that while my graphics are corrupted, i do seem to be at a prompt, can anyone guide me to fixing messed up graphics on g4 imac.
[14:11] <Merlin_> ?
[14:14] <TommyThaGun> so, is does this newest kernel seem to be stable?
[14:14] <TommyThaGun> does this newest kernel seem to be stable**
[14:14] <mawst> mmmm tasty.... Clean install of Beta 2. :D
[14:17] <TommyThaGun> what is a Final Freeze?
[14:18] <chi_> robin0800:  thanks for the hint, anyway: I fail to find the package you are referring to?
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> It's a finishing move, triangle+square + 3 x forward
[14:18] <TommyThaGun> oh ok
[14:18] <TommyThaGun> Subzero?
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[14:19] <TommyThaGun> I got that Ian_Corne, I'm just curious what it means to us testing it
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> The number of updates will go up until that moment
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> and then waaay down
[14:19] <TommyThaGun> got it
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> weirdness.. today i had no internet.. checked router settings and the isp has changed the  Subnet mask to 255.255.254.0   Whats up with 254 anyway? Ive never understood what  that netmask does.
[14:20] <patdk-wk> heh?
[14:20] <patdk-wk> it just makes it a /23 instead of /24
[14:21] <Merlin_> does anyone know a workaround for the imac g4 corrupted screen problem on the live cd?
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> yea. Ive never seen that befor.  Not sure whats going on. spent the last hr tweaking router settings and saw the isp had changed that.. and  now i also had to CLONE my MAC to the router.. and now its working
[14:21] <patdk-wk> dunno, I use /23's a lot
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> what's the benifit?
[14:22] <TommyThaGun> how is the -21 kernel everyone? is it going to blow up my sys?
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> It has somthing to do with the # of machines on the lan/network..  and how they get subdivided. is all i really understamnd
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> Checking my ISP's email address they gave me..  to see if they changed anything..  Looks like they are now 'giving' away Norton, instead of McCafee :)  joy..
[14:24] <TommyThaGun> that class was when I dropped out of school
[14:24] <TommyThaGun> when I was learning subnet masks
[14:24] <TommyThaGun> and the crazy math problems to go with it
[14:24] <patdk-wk> crazy math problems?
[14:25] <patdk-wk> subnets are simple
[14:25] <patdk-wk> there isn't anything really to understand
[14:25] <patdk-wk> other than binary
[14:25] <TommyThaGun> really? for me, for whatever reason, I didn't get it... I think I had lost focus on school at the time... I think that was the real issue
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> yea i dident find it hard to undersand..  i just am not sure why/where its used.
[14:25] <TommyThaGun> I had decided to go into the military
[14:25] <patdk-wk> it's used everywhere
[14:25] <patdk-wk> the point of subnets, is to make routing simpler, so you don't overload the memory/cpu of routers
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> and as a home lan user.. :) i dont use it.. so not sure where/when its actually used
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> 'in a big network/business' - but that dont  mean much to me :)
[14:26] <patdk-wk> heh, as a home lan user, I use it :)
[14:26] <patdk-wk> I run 6 lans at my house though
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> You must heat your house with pc's :)
[14:26] <rapha> what do you guys think
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> rapha:  about what?
[14:26] <patdk-wk> Dr_Willis, nope
[14:27] <rapha> gotta install ubuntu for non-technical users as they are sick of vista
[14:27] <rapha> would it be feasible to go with 10.04 Beta 2?
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> Dr_Willis: my ISP gives me 4 IP adresses to the outside, I guess it could be used so they see eachother in local network?
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> rapha:  i put it on the step sons laptop the other day when his Windows Copy died.
[14:27] <rapha> Dr_Willis: so i take it he's a non-technical user, too?
[14:27] <rapha> Dr_Willis: any probs with crashes or the like?
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> rapha:  beta is working decently well for me.. It has a few issues.. so it might be a good idea to wait for it to get Non-beta befor converting them over.
[14:28] <patdk-wk> my isp here gives me a /28, so that is 6 ip's, but one used for the gateway
[14:28] <TommyThaGun> what sort of computer is it rapha? are they desktops? or laptops?
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> he was able to handle gnome just fine. I did have to instgall a few apps he wanted.
[14:28] <rapha> Dr_Willis: running it myself as well and for me it's as good as the final
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> Stuff breaks one day..gets fixed the next.. so its  a bit annoying
[14:29] <rapha> Dr_Willis: yeah i think i'm gonna give 'em 10.04 and disable updates for the next two weeks till its out
[14:29] <TommyThaGun> rapha, are they on laptops?
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> i accidently installed an older ubuntu on his laptop. dident relize i put in the 9.04 cd. (i think) so hes  a little behind. but wireless and everything worked from the start. that suprsed me.
[14:30] <patdk-wk> heh
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> I had to install flash and java and some codecs for him.
[14:30] <patdk-wk> 9.04 on my laptop wouldn't even install
[14:30] <TommyThaGun> the reason I ask, is I've heard about more issues in certain laptops than anything else
[14:30] <patdk-wk> the wifi driver kept corrupting the filesystem
[14:30] <rapha> TommyThaGun: nope, it's only one family PC ... some "microstar" thing which was bought when vista was brand-new
[14:30] <patdk-wk> disabled the wifi card, got it installed, then updated the wifi drivers, before I could turn it on
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> He did mention that his laptop is a lot faster now then when it had vista. ;)
[14:30] <rapha> :-)
[14:30] <TommyThaGun> vista was kinda a hog
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> You could set them up with a live-cd and persistant save file :)
[14:31] <TommyThaGun> windows 7 was actually pretty good
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> Win7 would cost more then the laptop did...
[14:31] <TommyThaGun> haha, true. That's the reason I'm ont on it
[14:31] <TommyThaGun> I had the beta, now it's restarting your comp every two hours
[14:33] <TommyThaGun> I was thinking of buying Win7 in the future, but now that I see how awesome Ubuntu has gotten over the past year that I haven't been using linux, I think I will stay with it
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> I tossed win7 when the first beta expired.. and they wanted a REINSTALL to just upgrade to the next beta.
[14:33] <TommyThaGun> it has come a long way
[14:33] <TommyThaGun> thats crazy
[14:34] <Ian_Corne> I still use it for gaming :(
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> I game for a few weeks.. then get bored./. then dont game..
[14:34] <Dutchy> Heya
[14:34] <Ian_Corne> Altho of the 3 systems I use constantly, only one dual boots to windows
[14:34] <Merlin_> im in the same boat, im in the dont game phase right now
[14:34] <Ian_Corne> well if you count the android phone, I've got 4 systems :)
[14:34] <patdk-wk> the only windows systems I have, are inside vmware on ubuntu
[14:35] <Dutchy> You guys know the little envelope that appeared in the tray in lucid? I hid it, but it turns out it was on the same button as volume control? anyway, I can't get my volume control icon back...
[14:35] <patdk-wk> only use them so I can test websites with ie
[14:35] <Dutchy> It's apparently not a panel app
[14:35] <Ian_Corne> Dutchy: indicator applet
[14:35] <Ian_Corne> add that back
[14:35] <Dimmuxx> I needed windows to update my android phone so my netbook is dualboot right now :P
[14:35] <Dutchy> oh
[14:35] <Dutchy> thanks
[14:35] <TommyThaGun> but Dutchy that's going to add the envelope back as well
[14:35] <Ian_Corne> Dimmuxx: the updater doesn't work in wine?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:36] <Dutchy> Ian_Corne: any idea how I just get volume but not the silly envelope?
[14:36] <Dimmuxx> Ian_Corne: nope
[14:36] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[14:36] <Ian_Corne> there was an article on omg!ubuntu! but I think that's for the me menu
[14:36] <Dimmuxx> it doesn't work in windows either more or less
[14:36] <Dimmuxx> so I used a thirdparty flasher
[14:36] <Ian_Corne> Maybe if you manualy install the old sound applet Dutchy
[14:36] <TommyThaGun> Dutchy, have you tried using the envelope?
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> I got a link to that artical from OMGubuntu at my http://delicious.com/dr_willis links
[14:37] <Dutchy> TommyThaGun: I use none of the services it provides
[14:37] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. anybody tried the -21 kernel ? is it safe to update ?
[14:37] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> Dutchy:  in short.. remove envelope (that also removes that one volme controll) and add in a differnt vol contoll.
[14:37] <TommyThaGun> no pidgin? or twitter?
[14:37] <Dimmuxx> -21 works fine here
[14:37] <Ian_Corne> or empahty :p
[14:37] <patdk-wk> pidgin doesn't use the email icon
[14:37] <TommyThaGun> I uninstalled empathy
[14:37] <Dutchy> TommyThaGun: I use irssi for chat, gmail for mail, no twitter
[14:37] <Ian_Corne> it does patdk-wk
[14:37] <SandGorgon> Dimmuxx, thanks
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> gee.. can we Uninstall Plymouth now without removeing 99% of the system?
[14:38] <Urda> Well so much for jumping to 10.04 at this time ... E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[14:38] <TommyThaGun> pidgin does use the email icon
[14:38] <Ian_Corne> it's just not installed by default anymore
[14:38] <Ian_Corne> Dr_Willis: probably not
[14:38] <Urda> no dist upgrade for me at this time :\
[14:38] <SandGorgon> Dutchy, true that... dunno why all these apps are made such a big deal of. Fix drivers, I can figure out my apps
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> 111 mb   of updates..  here we go.
[14:38] <z0rt|work> woot
[14:38] <Dimmuxx> beware of the broken font package
[14:38] <Emry> Urda, Which packages?
[14:39] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, oh.. ur gonna take the red pill as well I see
[14:39] <Urda> Emry: I'm not sure ... I have a bunch of files I can grep through in /var/log/dis-upgrade/
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> Been Updateing my machines daily for the last week :)
[14:39] <Urda> Emry: where should I start ?
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> It does seem somthing killed the netbook :) doh
[14:39] <TommyThaGun> patdk-wk, look: http://j.imagehost.org/0938/Screenshot_7.png
[14:39] <patdk-wk> heh, well that is annoying
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. now it booted. :)
[14:39] <acuster> hey all, the volume control seems to have disappeared from the panel and I can't find any applet that looks like a 'volume control'. Where does this functionality live these days?
[14:39] <patdk-wk> I never used it, always have my buddy list displayed, cause I need it too much
[14:40] <TommyThaGun> it just highlights it if you get a message
[14:40] <Ian_Corne> Dimmuxx: I just removed it
[14:40] <TommyThaGun> I use the actually buddy list too, it doesn't show that
[14:40] <Ian_Corne> is it important? :p
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> acuster:  if you remove the mail applet icon - its  part of the volume one also...
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> acuster:  thers some volume only applet you can install and use
[14:40] <acuster> really, lol
[14:41] <TommyThaGun> acuster, indicator applet
[14:41] <TommyThaGun> or listen to Dr_Willis
[14:41] <TommyThaGun> I need to restart, I jsut updated the kernel
[14:41] <unknownworlds> anyone using 10.04 with kvm?
[14:41] <Dimmuxx> is there any good way to get gmail in the messaging applet and no using evolution isn't a good way.
[14:41] <acuster> wow, there's two indicator applets? Indicator Applet and Indicator Applet Session!?
[14:42] <TommyThaGun> I think someone is working to get a thunderbird pluging to be able to add it to the indicator applet
[14:42] <Ian_Corne> session is the one holding memenu
[14:42] <Ian_Corne> Atm the mail icon doesn't follow the prefered applications setting
[14:42] <Dutchy> Dr_Willis: any idea what the volume applet is called? cant find it in synaptics
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> Just add one applet at a time and learn what they do
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/how-to-remove-social-network-features.html
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> gnome-volume-control-applet is the old tray applet. just add it to sessions.
[14:43] <Dutchy> oh, removing that indicator package should work, i'll try that
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> thats if you dont want the mail tthang. :)
[14:44] <Dutchy> that worked
[14:44] <Dutchy> thanks :)
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> run gnome-volume-control-applet     if you want the old vol controll
[14:44] <Urda> Dr_Willis: just looked at that article, sad to see you can't hide Ubuntu One. I hate ubuntu one
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. dont run the ubuntu one client then?
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> i ont have a ubuntone icon here.
[14:46] <Urda> Dr_Willis: the menu entry
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> what menu entry?
[14:46] <Urda> "On a semi-related note he notes a little bug: removing ubuntu-one doesn’t remove the menu entry for it within the MeMenu."
[14:46] <Urda> fta
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> I dont even use the me menu.. it does nothing for Me.. :)
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> unless i want to spam my facebook blog for some reason.. its full of 'testing 124' and so forth right now
[14:47] <Urda> I use dropbox, and I tried Ubuntu One and found that it had lots of conflicts, and wouldn't sync a lot
[14:47] <acuster_> Dr_Willis, thanks
[14:47]  * Urda wont be upgrading to 10.04 today with E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages in dist-upgrade
[14:47] <Urda> :(
[14:48] <acuster_> (there is also gnome-volume-control-applet which lives in the notification area rather than being a real applet)
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu one is very much a work in progress.. but i dont use it or dropbox much
[14:48] <gnomefreak> Urda: it should remove them, atm there are no packages being held back
[14:48] <Urda> gnomefreak: well I got that message trying to upgrade from tty and gnome
[14:48] <gnomefreak> well also depends what packages
[14:48] <Urda> I'm trying to figure out what they are, all it said was that one liner and an error box I'm about to post
[14:49] <Urda> http://twitpic.com/1frmhk
[14:50] <gnomefreak> Urda: you are better off using update-manager -d it should take care of everything.
[14:50] <Urda> did it that way too
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> Urda: are you uptodate in karmic?
[14:50] <gnomefreak> Urda: change sources.list to be lucid than run update than dist-upgrade
[14:51] <gnomefreak> now non-official packages may run into that
[14:51] <Urda> Ian_Corne: sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude full-upgrade produce no packages that are not up to date
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. errors with some ttf-indic-fonts-core package.
[14:51] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: there is a bug on it
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> wonder what it even is.
[14:51] <Urda> gnomefreak: anyway I can yank from the logs what is causing my issue? I don't mind removing non-standard packages if so
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> at least it seemes to have installed the latest kernels..
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> My netbook was hanging with the last one.
[14:52] <gnomefreak> Urda: look in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[14:52] <Urda> gnomefreak: Yea i am, but what exactly should I grep for?
[14:52] <patdk-wk> same here
[14:52] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: see bug 563771
[14:53] <Urda> here are the messages up to the issue.... http://pastie.org/921218
[14:53] <gnomefreak> Urda: please post the file to a pastebin
[14:53] <Urda> I have an apt.log, an lspci.txt, and a main.log
[14:54] <z0rt|work> is there a simple command to rename all instances of karmic in sources.list to lucid?
[14:54] <Urda> oh and a term.log but it is empty
[14:54] <gnomefreak> Urda: try running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
[14:54] <patdk-wk> zort, sed :)
[14:54] <gnomefreak> z0rt|work: you can use sed
[14:55]  * gnomefreak too late
[14:55] <gnomefreak> or open it in a text editor and you can replace karmic to lucid
[14:55] <Urda> sudo apt-get -f install produced 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded
[14:55] <Urda> gnomefreak: nothing changed :s
[14:56] <coc0nut> or if you don't feel like using sed, open it with: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list then type :%s/karmic/lucid
[14:56] <coc0nut> then enter
[14:56] <gnomefreak> Urda: please pastebin the full commands and output of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:56] <coc0nut> oh, and then :w to save
[14:56] <z0rt|work> vi continues to impress me
[14:56] <z0rt|work> coc0nut: thanks!
[14:56] <Urda> gnomefreak: I'm getting yanked into a meeting now :( thank you for your help and I'll try and pick this up later
[14:56] <gnomefreak> Urda: ok
[14:57]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke than work on email :(
[14:57] <patdk-wk> guess I will have to wait till later to upgrade lucid
[14:57] <kennyG> Hello. I am facing problems on obtaining jdk. Could someone help me please?
[14:57] <coc0nut> What's the problem?
[14:58] <kennyG> coc0nut, it says E: cannot find package, or something.
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> I seem to be using icedtea for java here.
[14:58] <coc0nut> kennyG: what command are you entering?
[14:59] <kennyG> "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk
[14:59] <kennyG> "
[14:59] <coc0nut> just use sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[14:59] <coc0nut> It'll install the others automatically as dependencies
[14:59] <coc0nut> or it should, anyway
[15:00] <JediMaster> anyone here use Zend Studio in Lucid? I'm getting constant crashes since moving to lucid every time the autocomplete is selected (which is 2-3 times per line of php code), I get: "The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'."
[15:00] <bagpuss_thecat> I appear to have lost all my Gnome menu entries after a battery failure during a dist-upgrade. Is there a way of regenerating them all?
[15:01] <JediMaster> !!!!!
[15:01] <bagpuss_thecat> alacarte shows a few submenus, but there are no items at all :-)
[15:01] <JediMaster> you ran a dist-upgrade on batteries!
[15:01] <z0rt|work> gasp!
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:02] <kennyG> coc0nut, now it says the package is not available, but is referenced by another package... this can mean that this package got obsolete or is available just from another source...
[15:02] <bagpuss_thecat> well, it's Lucid, and a testing box
[15:02] <JediMaster> bagpuss_thecat,  did you managed to complete the dist-upgrade after plugging it back in?
[15:02] <bagpuss_thecat> so there was about 5 packages at the time :-)
[15:02] <bagpuss_thecat> JediMaster: yeah, got it completed alright
[15:02] <coc0nut> ah
[15:02] <coc0nut> kennyG: try sudo apt-get update
[15:02] <coc0nut> and then install
[15:02] <mvo> Urda: could you push main.log somewhere please? into paste.ubuntu.com or a similar pastebin?
[15:02] <coc0nut> The package is definitely there. I can install it.
[15:03] <h00k> ooooooh, new wallpapers!
[15:03] <hauk> coc0nut: o/
[15:03] <coc0nut> hauk: \o
[15:04] <mvo> Urda: eh, sorry. I mean apt.log
[15:04] <mvo> Urda: looks like for some reason it can not calc the upgrade, apt.log will have more info
[15:04] <bagpuss_thecat> I should add... the battery failure was a dodgy connection. It _was_ fully charged with several hours left on it :-)
[15:05] <gnomefreak> mvo: any chance that we can patch smart to work like ubuntu-manager -d? but i will file a bug if it is something to look into
[15:05] <mvo> gnomefreak: how do you mean? so that smart instead of apt is used for the handling of the upgrade?
[15:05] <underdev> anyone using a twitter client where the alerts work
[15:05] <underdev> mine aren't working with gwibber
[15:05] <underdev> even daily
[15:06] <gnomefreak> mvo: to work liike update-manager -d where it changes sources.list and updates
[15:07] <mvo> gnomefreak: I guess it would be possible to write a backend for update-manager that uses smart, yes. just someone needs to do it. it will be a interessting experiment
[15:07] <kennyG> coc0nut, still. same error
[15:07] <kennyG> there is no other way around to install jdk ?
[15:08] <coc0nut> You can install opendk
[15:08] <coc0nut> woop
[15:08] <coc0nut> s
[15:08] <coc0nut> openjdk-6-jdk
[15:08] <gnomefreak> im thinking it would be a a lot of work ;) but i will file a bug anyway and see what happens
[15:08] <kklimonda> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ttf-indic-fonts-core_1%3a0.5.8ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[15:08] <kklimonda>  subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 127
[15:08] <kklimonda> /bin/df: `/home/jdoe/.gvfs': No such file or directory
[15:09] <kennyG> sun was sold out to oracle, wasn't this package renamed to oracle-6-jdk?
[15:09] <kklimonda> that's.. interesting - who this jdoe is? ;)
[15:09]  * marienz wonders if the change to his email icon (the indicator) was intentional
[15:09] <kklimonda> interesting, my second old account..
[15:09] <avis> i'm wondering if sudo vmstat is always reporting zero, would it be common sense to add 2 gigs of that, to keep me free from any swapping ?
[15:09] <marienz> it's lost its "off" state
[15:09] <mvo> gnomefreak: it would guess its not that much work actually, but it will probably not help with the majority of failure cases. those are because of broken maintainer scripts or regressions of one way or the other
[15:09] <coc0nut> kennyG: still says sun here for me
[15:10] <coc0nut> Do you have universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[15:10] <coc0nut> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[15:10] <kennyG> coc0nut, did you install it ?
[15:11] <coc0nut> I didn't, because I use openjdk, but I started an installation then cancelled it once it began, so I definitely can
[15:11] <gnomefreak> hm that is a good point, not something that even passed my mind
[15:12] <kennyG> coc0nut, yes. I think I habe both enabled under synaptics.
[15:12] <z0rt|work> do i have to do anything besides changing karmic to lucid in sources.list to upgrade to lucid via command line?
[15:13] <gnomefreak> mvo: oh also i dont recall the dpkg command to force an update of a package that is failing to configure
[15:13] <JediMaster> z0rt|work, do-dist-upgrade -d should do it all for your
[15:13] <gnomefreak> z0rt|work: use update-manager -d in terminal
[15:13] <JediMaster> z0rt|work, however, I found it was broken
[15:13] <gnomefreak> or do-dist*
[15:13] <JediMaster> on ubuntu-server
[15:14] <mvo> JediMaster: broken in what way?
[15:14]  * gnomefreak perfers using update-manager over anything
[15:14] <JediMaster> mvo, problem with mountall preventing it from even downloading the packages
[15:15] <JediMaster> bug 559582
[15:15] <glance> grr...
[15:15] <glance> who broke initramfs-tools/initramfs-tools-bin ?
[15:15] <glance> they are out of sync and thus uninstallable
[15:16] <JediMaster> I provided a workaround to pull in the new mountall and then dist-upgrade though
[15:16] <mvo> JediMaster: oh, that one :/
[15:16] <mvo> indeed, that is a problem for certain configs
[15:16] <JediMaster> yeah, happened twice for me on two VPS machines
[15:17] <mvo> the latest update-manager will generate a system_state file that makes it easier to reproroduce
[15:17] <mvo> if you have a affected install, could you attach the file?
[15:17] <mvo> its in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[15:17] <JediMaster> sure, let me take a peek
[15:18] <mvo> cool, thanks
[15:18] <JediMaster> system_state.tar.gz?
[15:18] <mvo> yes
[15:19] <rapha> there we go ... the Lucid Lynx for a family of non-techy users
[15:19] <z0rt|work> rapha: good to hear :)
[15:20] <rapha> z0rt|work: hopefully it'll install cleanly on the machine! =)
[15:21] <JediMaster> mvo, added to the bug report
[15:21] <rapha> omg no USB booting?!
[15:21] <z0rt|work> doh!
[15:22] <rapha> it does show the stickx
[15:22] <rapha> but then boots windows regardless
[15:23] <z0rt|work> can you tell your BIOS to boot from the USB stick?
[15:23] <rapha> there's only "removable devices" which i put in front of "harddisk"
[15:24] <rapha> and then i can press F8
[15:24] <rapha> and choose "removable devices"
[15:24] <rapha> then it shows the stick and i choose that
[15:25] <kennyG> how do I install this Lucid Lynx?
[15:25] <mvo> thanks JediMaster
[15:26] <Urda> mvo: Yes just a sec
[15:27] <gnomefreak> mvo: what is the dpkg command to force a package to upgrade (i dont recall)
[15:27] <Urda> mvo: more than 100K, hang on
[15:28] <mvo> gnomefreak: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:28] <mvo> gnomefreak: eh, sorry
[15:28] <mvo> gnomefreak: misread
[15:29] <mvo> gnomefreak: to force a upgrade? when dependencies are unmet? or when a script like postinst fails?
[15:29] <gnomefreak> mvo: np i thought it was sudo dpkg -i --force /var/......deb
[15:29] <gnomefreak> mvo: no failure to upgrade due to config issues
[15:29] <mvo> gnomefreak: there are various --force options, like --force-depends
[15:29] <gnomefreak> bug 563771
[15:29] <gnomefreak> mvo: ^^^ that bug
[15:29] <mvo> aha, this one
[15:30] <gnomefreak> oh crap its overwrite
[15:30] <mvo> in this case its best to wait for the new package, that will fix it automatically
[15:30] <Urda> mvo: got the apt.og for you http://pastebin.ca/1861867
[15:30] <gnomefreak> that is i think it is
[15:31] <Urda> mvo: just kidding. that isn't long enough
[15:31] <gnomefreak> mvo: good point
[15:32] <Urda> mvo: OK, HERE is my apt.log in its full glory http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46685/apt.log
[15:33] <Urda> mvo: if you need anything else from the log folder let me know
[15:34] <mvo> Urda: the root cause seems to be a initramfs-tools / initramfs-tools-bin version mismatch, that is not uncommon during development, my advice is to wait a bit (couple of hours) until all mirrors are updated and its build etc
[15:34] <mvo> Urda: is that a amd64?
[15:34] <Urda> mvo: x64 9.10 on an intel processor ... so yes
[15:35] <mvo> Urda: ok, waiting is the best option, in this case u-m prevented a upgrade that may have caused havoc :) (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools in lucid shows its only build for i386 yet)
[15:36] <mvo> LP says it will be buildin ~1h
[15:36] <mvo> plus publishing and mirroring ~4h or so depending on the mirror
[15:37] <Urda> mvo: How did you know it was that? I tried reading the logs and failed :)
[15:37] <mvo> Urda: the logs are "special". seriously, the log format is pretty awful :(
[15:37] <lirel> hi, i found seamonkey-browser to be installed. it wars about a too old version that has security issues. i can't remember having it installed manually. apt-cach rdepends ends up with enigmail. how can i check if enigmail is the culprit? how can i further check if i just selected seamonkey as one of the recommended packages who came with enigmail?
[15:37] <lirel> *warns
[15:37] <mvo> Urda: takes a bit of experience to walk from the failure back to the cause, in this case, plymouth, udev, initramfs-tool, initramfstools-bin
[15:38] <Urda> mvo: so perhaps try again tomorrow :)
[15:38] <mvo> JediMaster: thanks, with the file I can reproduce the failure
[15:38] <kennyG> coc0nut, I made it. Thank you man!
[15:38] <mvo> Urda: yeah, that should work
[15:38] <mvo> Urda: let me know if it works then (if I'M around in irc :)
[15:38] <JediMaster> mvo, heh, did you just setup a VM with the same packages?
[15:39] <mvo> JediMaster: yes, a chroot
[15:39] <Urda> mvo: Oh ok. Just been itching to get my 9.10 upgraded :)
[15:39] <JediMaster> mvo, any ideas what combination or lack of packages is causing it?
[15:39] <gnomefreak> lirel: the fix was pushed to Lucid for enigmail+seamonkey. As of this moment i do not have time and havent had time to update it to latest version but we planed on SM2 but that is a mess right now and is not looking good for Lucid either
[15:40] <mvo> JediMaster: not yet, sorry. these failure take a bit to debug usually
[15:40] <lirel> gnomefreak: would that have happened if thunderbird was installed before?
[15:40] <Urda> mvo: I'll wait another day then :)
[15:41] <gnomefreak> lirel: it was a depends issue in enigmail but i dont recall when looking at it. but you can check depends using apt-cache
[15:41] <JediMaster> mvo, out of interest are you a developer/package manager?
[15:42] <lirel> gnomefreak: or better: can i make sm go away when installing thunderbird :p
[15:42] <mvo> JediMaster: yes
[15:42] <vish> X is very bad :/  it leaks memory when i watch movies , uses high CPU if screensaver is running.. all was so nice during alpha , it is now acting out :(
[15:43] <lirel> gnomefreak: well thanks i'll just dig through the deps :)
[15:43] <gnomefreak> lirel: no you need to remove seamonkey if you dont want it.
[15:43] <lirel> okay
[15:44] <Dimmuxx> vish: yeah xorg seems to eat a crazy amount of ram lately
[15:44] <coz_> Dimmuxx,  nvidia driver?
[15:44] <Dimmuxx> no intel
[15:44] <vish> coz_: you too? ;)
[15:44] <coz_> Dimmuxx,  ah ok  sorry
[15:45] <coz_> vish,  that was my first guess :)
[15:45] <vish> happens for me on ATI
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> I still see eveyr so often the Nvidia  X  'failsafe' type dialog.. i tell it to exit to console.. and it restarts X...
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> and then works.. Not srue why its doing that
[15:45] <vish> Dimmuxx: try diabling the BO reuse from driconf , btw, Bug 563400
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> that DKMS thing not being finished by the time X starts up perhaps?
[15:48] <vish> err, disabling*
[15:48] <Dimmuxx> vish: yeah that's probably it
[15:48] <lirel> gnomefreak: after installing thunderbird, seamonky-mailnews got removed. however seamonkey-browser was kept without any rdeps left, strange
[15:48] <h00k> what, my buttons are on the other side again.
[15:49] <h00k> fix'd.
[15:49] <Dimmuxx> vish: how do I disable BO reuse?
[15:49] <vish> h00k: waaaat! not possible!
[15:50] <vish> Dimmuxx: install driconf package and it is supposed to be available in that
[15:50] <gnomefreak> lirel: thunderbird does not conflick for SM-browser since they do different things and they are different binaries
[15:50] <vish> Dimmuxx: i dont find the option for ATI though
[15:51] <Dimmuxx> vish: found it so thanks
[15:51] <vish> np..
[15:57] <Gartral> I have a serious issue with X, it loads, then loops the "ready" sound over and over, my CPU is burning at 60C and the system is nonresponsive. i can login to recovery root.. but i dont know what too look for
[15:57] <joaopinto> Gartral, it seems to be something wrong with gdm
[15:58] <joaopinto> Gartral, check /var/log/boot.log
[15:58] <Dimmuxx> vish: looks like it fixes the problem :)
[15:59] <Gartral> alright, brb
[16:05] <gartral> back
[16:06] <gartral> hmm.. /var/log/boot isnt showing much
[16:07] <vish> Dimmuxx: do mention it on the bug too ..
[16:08] <gartral> intresting. ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4
[16:09] <ChogyDan> gartral: more than one partition?
[16:10] <gartral> 3 drives..
[16:10] <gartral> not including the external
[16:10] <SuperLag> Hopefully I'm not asking a question 1765384957439857 others have already asked... but is any of you having trouble updating ttf-indic-fonts-core?
[16:11] <gartral> kdm showing similar issues?
[16:12] <Pici> SuperLag: Only about 3 people have mentioned it thus far.
[16:12] <bullgard> My Firefox 3.6.3 uses an old plugin QuickTimePlug-In 7.2.0. How can I update this to version 7.6.4?
[16:13] <gartral> chogydan sorry
[16:13] <ChogyDan> gartral: ?
[16:14] <JediMaster> anyone here use Zend Studio in Lucid? I'm getting constant crashes whenever autocomplete pops up (all the bloody time!)
[16:15] <gartral> i didnt tag your name to those posts
[16:18] <ChogyDan> gartral: I think status 4 means there was nothing to optimize on said partition.  It happens if you have partitions not involved in the boot, like /home
[16:18] <z0rt|work> SuperLag: i am having the problem as well
[16:19] <z0rt|work> i reported it just now
[16:20] <Slart> Hello, I've just installed beta 2 on a laptop, install worked fine and the first boot showed everything as working.. I ran some updates and restarted and now nothing works.. I can't even boot into recovery mode.. beta2 live cd works fine though
[16:21] <gartral> workarounds? no kernal is working
[16:24] <arand> gartral: you get to the grub menu, does recovery mode work?
[16:24] <gartral> not with X
[16:25] <rapha> oh noes, no something seems to be wrong
[16:25] <h00k> Does anyone have the link to the flickr stream for Lucid stuffs?
[16:25] <rapha> i booted from the CD and now it's sitting there with the ubuntu log
[16:25] <rapha> for 10 minutes :-(
[16:25] <Pici> SuperLag: That package should be getting a fix soon.
[16:25] <gartral> arand original symptoms; lock at login screen, "readyN sound looping and all inputs not responsive
[16:26] <arand> gartral: oops, that was meant for Slart
[16:26]  * gartral pouts
[16:26] <Slart> arand: nope.. ends up in a black screen, no ttys that I can access.. although it responds to a CTRL+ALT+DEL
[16:26] <bullgard> My Firefox 3.6.3 uses an old plugin QuickTimePlug-In 7.2.0. How can I update this to version 7.6.4?
[16:27] <Slart> arand: basically the same for both kernels, normal and recovery
[16:27] <rapha> help!
[16:27] <arand> gartral: But for that ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/gdm/* might be interesting.
[16:27] <rapha> what's wrong when 10.04 hangs at the ubuntu logo while booting the installer?
[16:27] <rapha> (beta2 that is)
[16:28] <ikonia> 1/window 38
[16:28] <ikonia> oops
[16:28] <scott_ino2> Bah.... does nobody care that dvdrip for 64 bit flat out doesn't work... why can't they at least confirm the bug in transcode :(
[16:28] <Slart> zf
[16:28] <Slart> arand: talking to me again?
[16:28] <chorse> rapha: try disabling settings like acpi in the installer's boot menu
[16:28] <arand> Slart: So the kernel doesn't even start?
[16:29] <rapha> chorse: okay, let me try
[16:29] <Slart> arand: well.. I guess the kernel starts.. it gets as far as detecting some usb stuff.. then black screen
[16:30] <Slart> arand: nothing interesting in kern.log or syslog that I could see.. come to think of it.. I didn't check the X log files.. let me do that real quick
[16:30] <ChogyDan> Slart: Im just curious, what kernel version are you using?
[16:30] <Slart> ChogyDan: I downloaded the 64bit beta today.. ran some updates and it updated the kernel.. don't remember the exact number
[16:30] <arand> Slart: hm, wild guess, add nomodeset to the kernel line...
[16:31] <rapha> chorse: now it has started X :-)
[16:31] <gartral> arand how do i open these :0-xxxxxxx.log files from term?
[16:31] <Slart> arand: oh.. disable the kernel mode setting? lucid is using the neuvau driver.. or however it's spelled?
[16:31] <h00k> nouveau
[16:31] <chorse> rapha: nice, you may need to tweak the settings a bit after installation again (i don't know if you still need to do that)
[16:32] <arand> gartral: use sudo and you favourite text viewer..
[16:32] <MarkieMark1> hi, is there a specific channel for indicator-applet / indicator-applet-session?
[16:32] <arand> gartral: if you want to cd into there use sudo -s to get to a root shell
[16:32] <rapha> chorse: i.e. it will set up the system with the settings i chose now?
[16:33] <chorse> rapha: i don't know tbh
[16:33] <gartral> arand im opening them and theyre empty
[16:33] <h00k> MarkieMark1: I'm going to say probably not, no
[16:34] <chorse> rapha: see if it works after installation, if not, boot the installation media again and ask here for help for disabling acpi in the boot menu
[16:34] <Slart> arand: nomodeset didn't change anything.
[16:34] <rapha> okay!
[16:34] <h00k> MarkieMark1: what is your question?
[16:35] <IdleOne> heh Ubuntu 20.04 We ran out of animal names :/
[16:35] <chorse> you can do that from the installation image (mounting the system partition)
[16:35] <MarkieMark1> generally I'm preparing to develop patches, it looks as though it needs autoconf / etc is there a general building how-to?
[16:35] <gregre> is there any way to see the boot commands at the live cd start? because i get a freez while want to start the install.
[16:35] <arand> gartral: try ls -l and see which of them have size more than zero?
[16:36] <MarkieMark1> indicator-session seems to have its own configure file already so that should be more straightforward
[16:36] <MarkieMark1> ./configure I suppose then make
[16:36] <gartral> arand wierd.. even ones that say they have something in them are empty
[16:36] <azop> Does anyone know why the lightning-extension package is an option in Lucid?  Lucid installs Thunderbird 3.0.4, and the lightning-extension is for Thunderbird 2.0
[16:37] <arand> gartral: might be you got the filename wrong when opening it?
[16:38] <bullgard> My Firefox 3.6.3 uses an old plugin QuickTimePlug-In 7.2.0. How can I update this to version 7.6.4?
[16:41] <MarkieMark1> what's the usual sequence of autoconf/automake commands though? for indicator-applet itself, that has no configure file, merely a 'configure.ac'
[16:41] <MarkieMark1> it is autoconf && ./configure && make?
[16:44] <gregre> how can i get the window buttons on the right side of the window?
[16:45] <patdk-wk> they are on the wrong side?
[16:46] <nemo> gregre: change to another theme, or change values in gconf I think.
[16:46] <nemo> since I was on DarkRoom, they never changed for me
[16:46] <nemo> someone here knows how to tickle the bot to give a relevant fact on this
[16:46] <brainproxy> I rebooted my aspire1 netbook today, on which I've been running the beta, and it was up to date w/ pkg mgr updates ... what's happening now is that my synaptics touchpad isn't responding
[16:46] <patdk-wk> !tickle
[16:47] <brainproxy> i do see in dmesg a notice for synaptics touchpad
[16:47] <brainproxy> so i think the module is loading
[16:47] <nemo> gregre: http://mugginix.com/articles/2010/Mar/08/Lucid_Alpha_Window_Button_Position/
[16:47] <nemo> gregre: that's the manual method
[16:47] <brainproxy> (I can ssh into it still)
[16:47] <nemo> but you can do same thing on commandline with gconf-tool
[16:47] <nemo> I just don't feel like writing the command
[16:48] <nemo> esp when it is in the bot guts somewhere
[16:52] <gregre> when i want do encrypt my home folder, must i do this while the installation or later?
[16:55] <Slart> Ok, I've got an idea.. I compared the Xorg.0.log from the live cd session and the one from the failed boot with my laptop.. it seems that the non-working setup is trying to load a nvidia module for my graphics card.. the live cd loads the intel driver (the laptop has two cards, one intel and one nvidia). Can I make it ignore the nvidia card somehow? (I can't boot the system.. only edit files on it)
[16:56] <vega> Slart: may be easier to change the order in the bios (if possible)
[16:57] <Slart> vega: no such option I'm afraid
[16:57] <patdk-wk> vega, that shouldn't matter anyways
[16:57] <patdk-wk> if it did, both of them would attempt to use the same card
[16:57] <brainproxy> anyone else experience their synaptics touchpad to stop working upon reboot, after a recent full-upgrade ?
[16:57] <vega> well then, just specify Driver in xorg.conf
[16:58] <m0ar> In grub; what's the diffrence between GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""?
[16:58] <Slart> vega: I'll give it a try..
[16:58] <Slart> vega: thanks
[16:59] <rapha> chorse: looks like indeed this is a hardware problem - it didnt put the options from the cd into the installed OS and it does fail to boot
[16:59] <Slart> Yay, I've got my screen back..  =D
[17:03] <rapha> how can you keep tomboy from opening the "search notes" window when started through "startup programs"?
[17:03] <arand> m0ar: I think one gets added to all, and one gets added to all except the recovery boot options, roughly speaking.
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> !info rox
[17:04] <coz_> rapha,  not sure but let me open tomboy << for the first time
[17:05] <coz_> rage,  what is the command you have to run tomboy from startup applications?
[17:05] <m_anish> !info sugar-0.88
[17:06] <m_anish> !info sugar
[17:06] <rapha> coz_: just "tomboy", or "/usr/bin/tomboy" if you prefer
[17:06] <coz_> rapha,  that should prevent the search all notes dialog from opening...it does when run from terminal anyway
[17:07] <rapha> coz_: when i run tomboy from terminal _after_ ubuntu has booted, then it does not open any dialog at all. it only does so when started through "startup applications" while the computer is booting
[17:08] <coz_> rapha,   mm let me try this on the lucid machine be right back
[17:08] <rapha> k :)
[17:10] <rapha> chorse: trying to edit the grub command line, but after i press "ESC to return to the menu" the changes afre lost, and there seems to be no key to _save_ them?!
[17:10] <avis> has anyone got the amazonmp3 downloader working in lucid ?
[17:10] <napster> Pici, Here, let me try comment #5
[17:11] <Pici> napster: it should be fixed automatically if you update/upgrade
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> I thought you just hit enter rapha ..
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> or 'b' to boot..
[17:11] <napster> Pici, I've tried updating ubuntu !
[17:11] <napster> Pici, Do you know what is the patch release date?
[17:12] <rapha> Dr_Willis: that was with the old one-line editing - but now when you press Enter, you get a new line, when you press b you get a b
[17:12] <Pici> napster: Looks like it was fixed around the end of March
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> time to double check the grub2 docs i guess.
[17:12] <napster> Pici, ok
[17:12]  * Dr_Willis waits for grub2 to get its own port of vi and emacs.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:14] <coz_> rapha, apparenlty you are correct .. I cant think of a solution to this offhand
[17:15] <rapha> coz_: okay, thanks for looking though! - maybe i will just file a bug
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> i will try in a min when i reboiot my other box.
[17:15] <rapha> cool :-)
[17:15] <coz_> rapha,  seems to me with just the   "tomboy" command it should indeed just open the systray icon and nothing else
[17:16] <rapha> coz_: exactly, especially since there are explicit commanfd lineoptions for enabling other stuff
[17:18] <napster> Pici, Its not working :(
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Edit%20Mode.html
[17:18] <OttifantSir> How can I connect to Ubuntu One?
[17:19] <rapha> let me try that Dr_Willis
[17:19] <rapha> OttifantSir: go to one.ubuntu.com and log in? or what do you mean?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> Try ctrl-c    but from what i recall esc worked for me
[17:19] <OttifantSir> I have logged in on the site
[17:20] <z0rt|work> OttifantSir: the site has detailed instructions including which packages you need
[17:20] <markl_> ok this new purple FSCK page is quite buggy
[17:20] <OttifantSir> But I can't get the "bubble" top right to connect to it
[17:20] <markl_> where should I report a bug?
[17:20] <markl_> it was trying to fsck 3 filesystems and it just freaked out
[17:20] <rapha> Dr_Willis: indeed, ctrl-x boots your edited command line -- but why is the most impoortant key not documented there?!?!?!
[17:21] <rapha> looks like the ubuntu boot splash is what breaks the booting :-(
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i see a comment at the bootom of what im editing.. Ctrlc- for command line, ctrl-x to boot,  esc to return
[17:21] <z0rt|work> is there a way to just get rid of the boot splash?
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> use the nosplash option perhaps.
[17:22] <bbordwell> z0rt|work, or use the text theme
[17:22] <z0rt|work> cool, thanks
[17:23] <napster> Pici, I quit... No one can fix this, switching to Windows
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> trying nosplash now.
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> I see text.. i see broken pipe message.. i see login :)
[17:23] <markl_> z0rt|work: i go into the grub interface and remove the splash and quiet options
[17:24] <OttifantSir> I have logged in to Ubuntu One site, tried to connect through the "bubble" in the top right panel, added the machine, but I can't connect. Should I file a bug, or is there something I'm missing? The instructions are somewhat old.
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. i see 3 entries called 'guest-restricted' now in my KDM menus.
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> OttifantSir:  theres #ubuntuone channel that may have experts
[17:24] <rapha> Dr_Willis: well, I see the German translation of that comment, and there's no Ctrl-X in that translation
[17:25] <rapha> Dr_Willis: i'd prefer to know WHY the bootsplash makes the system hang onj boot
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> rapha:  I had it hang earlier today on me.. then a reboot.. and it started working..
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> but ive been updateing about every 5 hrs today
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> wow - Lubuntu has a netbook interface. :)
[17:27] <Cryp71c> Has anyone any guidance on speeding up a fresh 10.04 install?
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> Cryp71c:  gnome-xchat is rather pathic compared to the normal xchat. and theres no tweak guides out yet.. because its still in a state of flux.
[17:29] <Cryp71c> Dr_Willis, pathic?
[17:29] <rapha> Cryp71c: isn't it fast enough already?!
[17:29] <Cryp71c> rapha, I find some programs hang, especially when I'm working with the software center adding / removing things.
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Yea - xchat-gnome is lacking in so many  ways.. its sad
[17:29] <JoshuaL> Cryp71c, preload, /tmp to tmpfs etc etc
[17:29] <rapha> wierd Cryp71c haven't had any crashes so far
[17:30] <rapha> but i'm running an un-updated version
[17:30] <Cryp71c> rapha, no crashes here either, just loss of speed at times.
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> software center is  a work in progress.. you may have better luck with the command line tools or synaptic
[17:30] <rapha> ah right
[17:30]  * rapha never used the software center - what for, synaptic has everything yoxu need
[17:30] <Cryp71c> Dr_Willis, ah, so synaptic would be recommended over software center? Is synaptic being phased out in favor of the software center, or ?
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> Cryp71c:  i doubt if it will ever get phased out. Its the old workhorse been in use for years.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> and it definatly has features not in the 'software center'
[17:32] <rapha> maybe they'll take it out of the menus by default
[17:32] <Cryp71c> hrm, how can I start synaptic as root, or with elevated permissions..?
[17:32] <Pici> !gksudo
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> via gksudo whatever, or in the menus.. it should ask at startup
[17:33] <Cryp71c> I distinctly recall being able to run synaptic and it would auto-elevate itself, but I was logged in as a non-super user...is my memory failing me, or?
[17:34] <rapha> guys, after editing /etc/defaults/grub, what do i do to apply the changes?
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> update-grub command
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> !grub2 | rapha
[17:34] <rapha> thx!
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> Theres getting to be a lot of good grub2 docs out now
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    at the end - has some VERY good links
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> and good docs :)
[17:38] <chorse> rapha: i was afk, have you solved your issue?
[17:38] <rapha> update-grub2 was all i needed for now :-)
[17:38] <rapha> chorse: yes, thanks for asking - looks like i only need to disable the splash screen tpo make it boot
[17:38] <chorse> nice ;)
[17:39] <rapha> chorse: now i have another probblem :-( - nvidia driver won't install properly
[17:40] <chorse> rapha: is there an error message?
[17:41] <Urda> mvo: ping
[17:41] <ninjai> anybody know how I can map an xev-recognized keyboard shortcut to a /sys/ file? (controls my keyboard backlight)
[17:41] <Cryp71c> Where are application icons typically stored (eg, firefox icon, synaptic icon, etc.)
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> they can be in several different dirs.
[17:42] <Urda> mvo: I have the upgrade running now that launchpad had a build
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> try a 'locate .png'   or locate .png | grep program
[17:42] <markl_> i realize that it is tough to predict an exact date, but when do we expect Lucid to be officially released?
[17:43] <markl_> e.g. 4/20 or later?
[17:43] <markl_> or any minute now
[17:43] <rapha> chorse: yeah, to look into jockey.log - but that contains an awful lot of information, i don't know what to make of it :-(
[17:43] <mvo> Urda: aha, nice
[17:43] <markl_> trying to motivate a vendor to get their PPA up to date
[17:43] <Urda> mvo: thank you for that pointer :) just got to wait for a crap down of packages to download
[17:44] <chorse> rapha: does the installation process fail?
[17:44] <ninjai> markl_: I believe they said something like the 26th.
[17:45] <markl_> ah, "The final stable version will be released on April 29, 2010."
[17:45] <ninjai> markl_: Also, you should try the beta... it updates often, and it's surprisingly stable for an ubuntu beta.
[17:45] <ninjai> crap I was going to say 29th lol
[17:45] <Cryp71c> k, I'll be back, gotta get rid of gnome-xchat
[17:46] <markl_> ninjai: i installed alpha 2 and have been using it since then, it seems to mostly work well
[17:46] <markl_> except that the FSCK screen is extremely broken
[17:47] <rapha> chorse: yes. but i do have the nvidia settings tool installed.
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> I will be amazed if theres not some delay..  but we will see
[17:47] <rapha> chorse: would it help if i uploaded you that log file somewhere?
[17:48] <chorse> rapha: you can upload it to a nopaste service, but i don't know much about the nvidia driver, i use the free one
[17:48] <ninjai> markl_: fsck broken? I haven't used it... I see it pop up when it boots but nothing messed up looking.  Also I get no boot screen anymore lol
[17:51] <markl_> i made a big mistake and left my macbook pro unplugged when i went home yesterday
[17:51] <markl_> when it booted up it tried to fsck 3 filesystems at once
[17:52] <markl_> and this new purple screen doesn't seem to like it
[17:52] <markl_> i had to boot without the splash screen to get it to come up
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. the mount/fstab file has options to set what orders they get fscked in.. ive neer had issues with 2+ fs's neeidng fscked at the same time
[17:53] <markl_> i'm not sure what went wrong exactly but it sucked - how do I report a bug like this?
[17:53] <markl_> i would be happy to try to duplicate it
[18:05] <rapha> chorse: okay i've uploaded it here: http://pastie.org/private/vcst8a7u9kbh0ir0cbo8bg
[18:09] <rapha> how can i get an email provider added to desktop-webmail?
[18:10] <z0rt|work> oo, finalfreeze today
[18:13] <rob0917> when is ubuntu 10-04 rc due out ?
[18:14] <joaopinto> !lucid | rob0917
[18:14] <ChogyDan> anyone know about configuring the frequency of a kernel?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ChogyDan, kernel update/upgrade schedule ?
[18:29] <scott_ino2> anyone know how i can show how far im zoomed in in gimp like in 2.5? it just says background now...
[18:29] <scott_ino2> I realize this might be off topic but hey the chat was slow :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> scott_ino2, there might be #gimp chat , maybe they can help
[18:31] <Pici> scott_ino2: I believe  that there is a bug filed for that. I remember seeing mention of it on planet ubuntu.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> scott_ino2, yup, there's a gimp room
[18:32] <benkevan> anyone know why I might not be getting html mails correctly in Lotus Notes running on 10.04 ?
[18:33] <nhaines> scott_ino2: that drives me insane, so do let me know if you find out.  :)
[18:35] <Need_halp> Right
[18:35] <Need_halp> Time to rant
[18:35] <Need_halp> ufw - corrupted tar file
[18:35] <Pici> This isn't the place to rant.  If you need help just as a question.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> Need_halp, not gonna help , just ask
[18:35] <nailor1> can i change the mirror that updates are downloaded from? i need ttf-indic-fonts (1:0.5.8ubuntu2) but it is not on the mirror i seem to be downloading from, yet
[18:35] <Need_halp> kernel 3.20.21(ithink) cantmount fs
[18:36] <scott_ino2> thank you all for the responses, again, I realize that was completely off topc but figured you all might know
[18:36] <Pici> Need_halp: That should be hitting the repositories  soon.
[18:36] <Pici> Need_halp: sorry, nailor1 ^
[18:36] <Pici> argh
[18:36] <Need_halp> Right
[18:36] <Need_halp> Now the other problem
[18:36] <BluesKaj> nailor1, yes change it in your package manager sources
[18:36] <Pici> Need_halp: There is no kernel 3.20.21
[18:36] <Need_halp> I can't fu**ing logon to ubuntu
[18:36] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone else get a lot of programs crashing in lucid?
[18:37] <Need_halp> Well, ld.so crashed in my lucid
[18:37] <UnNaturalHigh> I am on average having 4 programs crash per day
[18:37] <Need_halp> does that count?
[18:37] <Pici> UnNaturalHigh: Are you filing bugs for them?
[18:37] <UnNaturalHigh> Pici, yes
[18:37] <Need_halp> I can't login to ubuntu
[18:37] <UnNaturalHigh> to be honest for a LTS, I have had more bugs in lucid then any previous version
[18:38] <z0rt|work> Need_halp: elaborate on that for us
[18:38] <UnNaturalHigh> Need_halp, reset your password?
[18:38] <Need_halp> mey user being "module is unknown"
[18:38] <Pici> UnNaturalHigh: Its not released yet.
[18:38] <Need_halp> I can't do anything
[18:38] <Need_halp> If you try loging on from  tty consoles
[18:38] <UnNaturalHigh> Pici, fair enough, but I have ran betas of numerous previous ubuntu's and problems where not so prevalent
[18:38] <nailor1> BluesKaj: thx, temporarily changed it to the master server. thx too, pici, but needed it right now
[18:39] <Need_halp> It says that ld.so assertionfailed
[18:39] <Need_halp> God, Ihate this kbd
[18:39] <Pici> Need_halp: When does it say that?
[18:40] <Need_halp> When you try to logon
[18:40] <Need_halp> i.e. type your frickin username
[18:40] <Pici> Need_halp: Please mind your attiude, we're not psychic.
[18:40] <Amnite> have a question i downloaded the Azenis cursors and they only work within my firefox, and when i resize a window other than that i get the normal pointer and loading cursors. Ive tried restartting and everything... any ideas?
[18:40] <Need_halp> It's the kbd >:3
[18:41] <Pici> Amnite: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/459647
[18:41] <Need_halp> Pici
[18:41] <Pici> Need_halp
[18:41] <Amnite> isnt compiz what makes all my windows and animations look nice
[18:41] <Pici> Amnite: Yes.
[18:41] <Need_halp> I can give you the whole error if you like
[18:42] <Pici> Need_halp: That would be helpful.
[18:42] <Need_halp> Right, gimme a few
[18:44] <Cryp71c> I'm trying to install the Inconsolata font, and I'm doing so via synaptic but after installing it, its not available in netbeans...alternatively I tried downloading the .otf (Saw on the wiki that in Lynx you should be able to right-click on it and "Install Font" but that option wasn't there).
[18:44] <Cryp71c> Anyone have experience with this? Do I need to install it manually?
[18:47] <Need_halp> Pici, check my pm
[18:47] <kklimonda> am I getting blind or did all links changed color to orange?
[18:47] <kklimonda> for example in evolution or firefox's awesome bar..
[18:48] <lucivu> keep getting this 'Checking Battery State'..can't it be smart to know it's a desktop? looks like default is laptop install
[18:48] <guntbert> Need_halp: you can use !pastebin  for longer texts - no need to PM
[18:49] <Need_halp> Well it isnt long
[18:49] <lucivu> quassel won't start?
[18:49] <Cryp71c> lucivu, did a Lynx install yesterday on desktop, no problems here with it thinking its a laptop.
[18:49] <Pici> Need_halp: Just post it here, I need to run to a meeting myself and cannot one-on-one this.  Sorry.
[18:49] <Need_halp> "Inconsistency detected ld.so:dynamic-link.h:182:elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val==7' failed!" - Anyone had this problem in lucid
[18:50] <Need_halp> It happens right after you try to login
[18:50] <lucivu> Cryp71c: But do you see that battery state icon on sys tray?
[18:50] <Need_halp> Pici,np
[18:50] <Cryp71c> lucivu, nope
[18:50] <lucivu> Cryp71c: also you probably don't see it bec you have pymouth
[18:51] <Cryp71c> lucivu, pymouth?
[18:51] <lucivu> Cryp71c: *plymouth
[18:51] <Need_halp> Desktops can have their batteries aka "UPS" that connect with a simple usb
[18:52] <Need_halp> Doesn't that count for ubuntu to check? >:)
[18:52] <lucivu> Need_halp: check what? don't have one so why bother?
[18:52] <scott_ino2> oh nice if you use a ups does ubuntu have a nice little icon in panel? where you can check status etc.? just curious
[18:52] <Need_halp> To check if you bought one and connected it
[18:52] <Need_halp> and don't youwant ubuntu to be plug n play
[18:53] <Need_halp> Hmm o.~
[18:53] <lucivu> Need_halp: nope..this install is vbox guest mind you
[18:53] <Need_halp> Well
[18:54] <Need_halp> Ubuntu doesn't know if it's on a vbox
[18:54] <Need_halp> It acts as if it was on a laptop/desktop
[18:54] <Need_halp> and also
[18:54] <Need_halp> Linux can be on a external HD
[18:54] <Need_halp> So would make sense to check
[18:55] <Need_halp> Since you don't know on what pc you're gonna end up
[18:55] <pasteeater> is *awk installed by default on the minimal install?
[18:55] <Need_halp> Btw
[18:56] <Need_halp> Windows does same
[18:56] <lucivu> Need_halp: how can a usb connected UPS power a desktop? usb is only 5v and low amperage
[18:56] <jrr> lucivu: it doesn't
[18:56] <jrr> usb reports information
[18:56] <Need_halp> usb gives info about the ups
[18:56] <Need_halp> not the power
[18:56] <Need_halp> power is through the old cable
[18:56] <jrr> the computer's power cable also plugs into the UPS
[18:57] <Need_halp> "Inconsistency detected ld.so:dynamic-link.h:182:elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val==7' failed!"
[18:57] <Need_halp> Still need help withthis
[18:58] <Need_halp> i can't login to ubuntu
[18:58] <jrr> anybody else that sounds serious
[18:59] <Need_halp> Yeah
[18:59] <h00k> vish: no, apparently they really did switch order :)
[18:59] <jrr> linker/loader assertion.. could just be a corrupt binary
[18:59] <h00k> vish: the buttons
[18:59] <Need_halp> right
[18:59] <Need_halp> then i need ld.so
[18:59] <Need_halp> and get it into ubuntu
[18:59] <Need_halp> without no access to anything
[18:59] <Need_halp> Greaaaat
[19:00] <lucivu> Need_halp: cud be more issue than just the linker
[19:01] <Need_halp> lucivu, how old are you
[19:01] <lucivu> Need_halp: looks like your kernel & ld are not in sync
[19:01] <lucivu> Need_halp: does it matter how old am I?
[19:01] <Need_halp> hmm....How can you tellthey're not in sync
[19:03] <lucivu> Need_halp: am guessing yfrom your err msg.. your kernel is trying to load some modules
[19:03] <Need_halp> Yeah, it's trying to load the login module
[19:03] <Need_halp> gosh darn it
[19:04] <duffydack> Whut?  buttons AGAIN?
[19:05] <Need_halp> ?
[19:05] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/window-buttons-shift-order-again.html
[19:06] <jrr> duffydack: yeah pretty funny
[19:06] <charlie-tca> testing, testing, testing. gotta get it right pretty soon
[19:06] <jrr> it's per-theme, and i think you might even be able to reorder them within a theme
[19:06] <jrr> but still pretty funny
[19:07] <jrr> seems like they should be consistent with either windows or macos and leave it at that
[19:08] <Need_halp> Nah, ubuntu has to be unique
[19:08] <Need_halp> in the end
[19:08] <Need_halp> the buttons will be in the right down corner
[19:09] <Need_halp> and the window name will be rotated 90o in the left of the window
[19:10] <Urda> Need_halp: sounds good, get that patch going
[19:10] <coz_> :)
[19:11] <Need_halp> Well having a weird button order is still better than not being able to use your pc at all =(
[19:11] <jrr> Need_halp: did you just install fresh? upgrade?
[19:12] <Need_halp> install updates
[19:12] <Need_halp> updates upgraded the kernel
[19:14] <Need_halp> I'll go try recoverymodeagain
[19:14] <Need_halp> maybe reinstall some libld.so
[19:14] <jrr> maybe call out a specific kernel version
[19:16] <Need_halp> Yus
[19:16] <Need_halp> Now I get kernel panic
[19:17] <Need_halp> not the game
[19:17] <ninjai> Does anyone know if it's possible to have ubuntu's notification icon (the mail envelope thing) check gmail instead of using evolution??
[19:17] <Need_halp> although i wish it was just a game
[19:17] <Need_halp> :(
[19:17] <Need_halp> sniff
[19:20] <Need_halp> Why don't any ubuntu devs  hang out here
[19:20] <Need_halp> i mean srsly
[19:20] <Dimmuxx> because people whine to much on irc ;)
[19:20] <andersronningen> Hey. I just apt-upgraded from Karmic to Lucid Beta 2 on my MBP, and the upgrade of grub failed. It said it could not install to /dev/sda3.
[19:20] <Need_halp> Hahaha
[19:20] <Need_halp> ha.
[19:21] <Need_halp> Now we both can't login!!!
[19:21] <lucas-arg> im experiencing some issues with hdd... its locks thinking for some reasing i dont know what... and the system gets really laggy... any other of u had this problem?
[19:21] <nhaines> ninjai: it works the other way around.  The notifier just sits there, and it's Evolution that sends the messages.  :)
[19:21] <nhaines> ninjai: I don't know of any email checker that uses notifications but it would be great if they did!
[19:21] <ninjai> nhaines: thanks! is there any way to get gmail to work with it?
[19:21] <ninjai> nhaines: ah.. fail.
[19:22] <nhaines> ninjai: Well, the good news is that any such email checker would probably work with everything.  So now you just have to find it.  Extra points for writing one if you can't find it.  ;)
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Need_halp: do any old kernels boot?
[19:24] <Phantomas> Has the Non LanguagePack translation deadline passed? I am not sure if this is the correct channel to ask... I asked in #ubuntu too
[19:24] <Pici> !schedule | Phantomas
[19:25] <Pici> Have you checked that?
[19:25] <lucas-arg> no one had this problem like i did??
[19:25] <Pici> lucas-arg: Is swap mounted?
[19:25] <lucas-arg> Pici: let me check
[19:25] <Phantomas> Pici: yes, I just want to upload one more package :) Has the "Final translation export from LP" happened? I guess yes
[19:26] <lucas-arg> Pici: yes it is...
[19:26] <OttifantSir> How do I get e-mail back in the indicator applet? I haven't used Evolution since 6.06, and usually delete everything but evolution-data-server-common, but Thunderbird won't work, and after a re-install of Evolution, e-mail is no longer an option in indicator applet
[19:26] <Pici> lucas-arg: Well, there goes my idea.
[19:26] <lucas-arg> Pici: thanks... im guessing its the kernel...
[19:27] <andersronningen> Anyone got a clue where I start if I want to manually recover/reconfigure grub?
[19:27] <ninjai> nbaines: gmail-notify has worked for me in the past but that's an extra thing running.  plus 2 notifiers which is annoying.
[19:28] <nhaines> ninjai: well, there will always be something else running.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> and
[19:28] <charlie-tca> !grub2 andersronningen
[19:29] <saji89> Hey under which package do i submit my sound-card related bugs?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> !grub2 | andersronningen
[19:29] <Pici> saji89: I *think* you can just use 'sound'  and it'll assign it properly.
[19:29] <KB1JWQ> Idiot question of the day.  When aptitude shows new packages with an {a} next to their name, does that indicate it'll require a reboot?
[19:29] <Pici> From apport/ubuntu-bug
[19:30] <andersronningen> charlie-tca: thx.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[19:30] <saji89> Pici, You mean from the terminal?
[19:31] <Pici> saji89: yes.
[19:32] <saji89> Pici, i tried <ubuntu-bug sound> now. But, it sys that no such package exists.
[19:33] <guntbert> KB1JWQ: doesn't that mean "automatic"? as in "pulled in as dependency"?
[19:33] <DShepherd> is there a dock that i can use that doesn't require compositing?
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Dshepherd: simdock
[19:34] <atrus> indicator-sound, gnome-panel, indicator-applet, indicator-applet-session, all taking up about 100% cpu currently. wondering if there's anything i should try to look at/document before killing things... thoughts?
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Atrus: the 'top' command will help
[19:34] <almoxarife> anyone getting an update error associated with thunderbird?
[19:35] <atrus> ActionParsnip: i'm looking but all it tells me is that they're all going kind of nuts :)
[19:35] <saji89> Pici?
[19:35] <Pici> saji89: Like I said, I wasn't sure if that would work.
[19:35] <demifuror> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to install my nvidia 8800 gts in lucid?
[19:35] <brad[]> Lame question - is anyone using xchat-xsys in Lucid? It crashes xchat when I run /sysinfo.
[19:36] <saji89> Pici, That's fine.. :) any other alternates?
[19:36] <guntbert> almoxarife:  Thunderbird broken in updates (bug #563893) (see /topic)
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> Demifuror: add the nvidia-vpau ppa and install nvidia-glx-185
[19:36] <bjsnider> demifuror, use jockey to activate nvidia-current
[19:36] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, wrong
[19:36] <saji89> Anybody.. Can you please tell me how exactly to file a bug related to my sound driver using the ubuntu-bug command?
[19:37] <almoxarife> is there a fix for nautilus crashing when one tries to go into a network with 'actions' packg installed?
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: works 100% here so not wrong
[19:37] <Pici> saji89: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems , specifcally ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base , but the other information may be of use.
[19:38] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, there are no lucid drivers in that ppa
[19:38] <saji89> The thing is that.. my sound worked fine, till i updated..
[19:38] <charlie-tca> saji89: file it using 'ubuntu-bug linux' and then subscribe the audio team
[19:38] <almoxarife> guntbert: wrong error, this is an error associated with synaptic update
[19:39] <guntbert> almoxarife: ok
[19:39] <charlie-tca> saji89: referenced here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:39] <demifuror> bjsnider: it says this driver is activated but currently not in use, how do i put it to use?
[19:39] <saji89> After update, the sound device was shown as 'Dummy Output' and no sound was heard...
[19:39] <bjsnider> demifuror, that was a bug in the beta2 release. it has since been fixed
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: well I added it and it doesn't error when I apt-get update so it must
[19:41] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, how long have you been using it?
[19:41] <almoxarife> is the memory hogging by chromium a lucid issue only, its disappointing, I have to revert to firefox or have chromium taking nears a gig of mem
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: since alpha 3
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[19:42] <bjsnider> i'm sure you're actually using nvidia-current. it prompts for an upgrade
[19:42] <saji89> does anyone know what the "Dummy Output" sound device is?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: you will find it has lucid if you hit that link
[19:42] <bjsnider> but tha apt package like doesn't have any lucid drivers, so apt-get won't see t hat
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: since 29 nov 2009
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> Still has a ppa for lucid though doesn't it
[19:43] <lucian> i'm getting a failed to fetch error when trying to upgrade
[19:43] <bjsnider> there are some lucid packages but not drivers
[19:44] <almoxarife> lucian: thunderbird?
[19:44] <lucian> almoxarife: yes
[19:44] <Pici> /topic
[19:44] <almoxarife> lucian: me too
[19:44] <lucian> and as a result, the system wont upgrade
[19:44] <Pici> lucian, almoxarife: Check the channel's topic
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: its a good ppa to have with nvidia as it has optomised mplayer goodness. The command I gave should also install the driver from wherever it can
[19:44] <Need_halp> this is weird
[19:45] <Need_halp> now ubuntu's every single kernel tries to mount a ntfs as root
[19:45] <lucian> so, do we just wait this out?
[19:45] <Need_halp> and generates a kernel panic
[19:45] <almoxarife> Pici: thnks
[19:45] <almoxarife> Pici: I should read that more often :)
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> Need_help: could add it in fstab
[19:45] <Pici> almoxarife, lucian: Looks like the fix was already released, it probably will be hitting the repositories soon.
[19:46] <Need_halp> I don't get it,why does ubuntu kernel even try to mount not it's own fs
[19:46] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, he didn't ask for mplayer, he asked for the driver
[19:46] <Need_halp> fstab?
[19:46] <almoxarife> Pici: the fix I am waiting for is the 'nautilus-network' crash when 'actions' pckg is installed
[19:47] <z0rt|work> is there a way to make the slideshow screensaver display nothing but hubble images?
[19:47] <jrr> z0rt|work: delete all the others? =]
[19:47] <z0rt|work> haha
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: true but the ppa seems to release the newer drivers better than the default repo. The commadnd should install 195.something from the standard repo but will be updated as the vpau gets updated (useful)
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Z0rt|work: make a folder of images and tell the screensaver to use the folder as a source would be my guess
[19:48] <Flamekebab> This may be a tiresome and over-asked question, but is there any reason Gwibber will no longer start?
[19:48] <Pici> z0rt|work: Either modify the screensaver configuration file manually and use a different path for the pictures, or install xscreensaver, and use xscreensaver-demo to change the path.  If you do the latter, make sure that you do NOT start the xscreensaver daemon or stop the gnome-screensaver one.
[19:48] <Need_halp> I love it when you just don't get help when your whole pc doesn't work
[19:48] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, i won't be adding any new drivers for lucid until after lucid is released some time
[19:49] <JoshuaL> anyone else having bug 564096 ?
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: your call bro
[19:49] <z0rt|work> Pici: thanks!
[19:50] <Cryp71c> ....I can't seem to install thunderbird from apt-get/aptitude/synaptic.
[19:50] <Cryp71c> get an ip not found issue
[19:51] <Need_halp> -.-
[19:52] <ali1234> i'm trying to install this package onto lucid: https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/updates/+sourcepub/1077002/+listing-archive-extra
[19:52] <ali1234> i added the ppa and the package shows up in synaptic but it always installs the lucid version instead
[19:52] <ali1234> even if i use "force version"
[19:52] <ali1234> i finally managed to install it by manually downloading and using dpkg
[19:53] <ali1234> is this a bug or what?
[19:53] <blueyed> JoshuaL: no.
[19:53] <ActionParsnip> Ali1234: have you ran: sudo apt-get update
[19:53] <Need_halp>  "Inconsistency detected ld.so:dynamic-link.h:182:elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val==7' failed!"  - on login try
[19:53] <ali1234> yes
[19:53] <Need_halp> help appreciated
[19:53] <blueyed> JoshuaL: looks like an error in /etc/default/console-setup: line 42
[19:54] <ali1234> ActionParsnip: yes, like i said, the package shows up in synaptic but when i select it through "force version" the change is ignored
[19:54] <blueyed> JoshuaL: ping me, if you need more help/verification.
[19:55] <ali1234> also any time i do an update it wants to remove the ppa version and replace it with the lucid version
[19:55] <JoshuaL> blueyed, well i reported it and i was wondering if i was the only one, just so others can mark it as this affects me too :)
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> Ali1234: the page you gave gives deb files, just download the one matching your arch and install with dpkg
[19:55] <ali1234> ActionParsnip: i have done that
[19:55] <ali1234> ActionParsnip: and now update manager wants to remove it and reinstall the original lucid version
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> Ali1234: hmm
[19:56] <ali1234> hmm indeed
[19:56] <ali1234> update manager says it is a "distriibution upgrade"
[19:57] <ali1234> so it is probably a problem on the ppa
[19:57] <akio> whats the deal with the massive update?
[19:57] <akio> approaching rc?
[19:58] <JoshuaL> always use sudo aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[19:59] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... just to ask: is everyone else having mass configuration problems when running aptitude too?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> I only use apt-get
[19:59] <atrus> a few things broken in there today, for me.
[19:59] <akio> I have seen it core dump a few times but I think that has been fixed.
[19:59] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[19:59] <z0rt|work> akio: today is finalfreeze
[19:59] <akio> sweet
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> Politikerneu: I use apt-get only, sorry
[20:00] <PolitikerNEU> no problem ...
[20:00] <Flamekebab> and now empathy seems to be broken.
[20:01] <Flamekebab> The username and pass I've given it definitely work, but it just throws "network error" without attempting to connect
[20:02] <atrus> any idea why epiphany-extensions is in universe in ubuntu?
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> Flamekebab: can you ping the logon server?
[20:02] <atrus> oh, i think i was confusing universe with multiverse.
[20:03] <Urda> the jump to 10.04 went great, however when I reboot Ubuntu, it keeps kicking my Visual effects back to NONE from the Best. suggestions?
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> Flamekebab: if you log on as another user is it also bad?
[20:04] <Flamekebab> I don't have any other accounts to try
[20:04] <Need_halp> Yus, i am ignored
[20:04] <Need_halp> !
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> Urda: add a startup item to run: compiz --replace
[20:04] <Flamekebab> my other chat accounts work
[20:04] <Flamekebab> I'm not having any luck pinging the server, yet I can login on meebo.com
[20:04] <Urda> ActionParsnip: really wow... why is that, a bug?
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> Urda: no idea. I hate compiz
[20:06] <Urda> ActionParsnip: lol Sorry ... :(
[20:06] <LordKow> any of you informed on qmake project files?
[20:07] <Urda> ActionParsnip: I guess it is making my gnome and workspace switcher act strange, It jumps back to 4 on reboot instead of 6
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> Urda: if it makes it work i'd run with it
[20:07] <Urda> ActionParsnip: about to reboot
[20:08] <Need_halp> Ty q
[20:09] <Need_halp> Ty ya'll for the help
[20:09] <Urda> ActionParsnip: splash screen is starting up, about to log in
[20:10] <Flamekebab> Well, apparently the server is currently unreachable. Ah well
[20:10] <Urda> ActionParsnip: didn't seem to do it :\
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> Bah
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> Could ask in #compiz
[20:10] <Urda> Yup, Appearance -> Visual Effects are back to None
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> Urda: make sure you are the owner of all of your home folder
[20:11] <Urda> ActionParsnip: good Idea...
[20:11] <ninjai> anyone here have gm-notify working properly? I downloaded the source and changed 1 thing so it would work in 10.04 but there are still a couple bugs... has anyone attempted to fix them?
[20:12] <z0rt|work> and make sure you have homeowners insurance :P
[20:12] <Urda> z0rt|work: oh noes!
[20:13] <nhaines> ninjai: file bugs!  And file a bug on the thing you patched and then submit a patch.  :)
[20:13] <Flamekebab> Well, I just updated Gwibber and it's still b0rked
[20:14] <ninjai> nbaines: I've never really filed bugs or patches to launchpad before... would it even be right to fix the installation bug, and upload it if it's still partially broken?
[20:15] <rapha> I get an error when installing the nvidia driver, and this is the log: http://pastie.org/private/vcst8a7u9kbh0ir0cbo8bg - can somebody help me?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> rapha: is the error that the drivers did not instll?
[20:17] <rapha> charlie-tca: yes!
[20:17] <bjsnider> rapha, it says it installed the 173 driver
[20:17] <rapha> charlie-tca: and after a reboot there is also no green dot
[20:17] <charlie-tca> restart. They actually install
[20:18] <rapha> bjsnider: charlie-tca: can i verify its installed somehow?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Mine all give me that, but they work after the restart
[20:18] <bjsnider> rapha, it is
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> Rapha: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-glx
[20:19] <rapha> ActionParsnip: that returns empty
[20:19] <charlie-tca> rapha: are you on Ubuntu? go to appearance and try the visual effects - best
[20:19] <charlie-tca> If it works, they installed
[20:19] <bjsnider> nvidia-glx is no longer a package name in lucid
[20:19] <rapha> yes i am charlie-tca, but they had already worked with the default driver
[20:19] <bjsnider> rapha, it installed. restart.
[20:19] <ojii> can anybody here help me installing lucid on a macbook pro 5.1 ?
[20:19] <rapha> bjsnider: aye, captain! :-)
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> I don't think its installed as the package would show up
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: its a grep so will find packages containing the text, not just named that, try it yourself
[20:20] <yofel> ActionParsnip: the package is called nvidia-173 now, not nvidia-glx*
[20:21] <saji89> My Brightness control Hotkey doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2.
[20:21] <The_Dude> Noone helps me, I'm so lonely
[20:21] <yofel> ActionParsnip: and nvidia-96 and nvidia-current for the others
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: grep will find ALL packages containing the string. Not just the absolute name
[20:21] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: I don't any question?
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> !find nvidia-glx
[20:21] <rapha> ActionParsnip: does "ii" mean its installed?
[20:21] <yofel> ActionParsnip: yes, and and the nvidia packages have no *glx* part anymore
[20:22] <The_Dude> Same prob as Need_halp
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> Yofel; it will find all those if they are installd
[20:22] <stanley_> hi guys my cursor has somehow just suddenly stopped working...I am using lucid lynx and the cursor works on any other profile on the same computer but just not mine...I really need urgent help with this guys
[20:22] <bjsnider> !find nvidia-glx lucid
[20:22] <LordKow> thats it i have shunned qmake's 'make install' abilities. i will rely on the package manager which sucks because it will be distro and os dependent but whatever
[20:22] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: do any of the older entries in the grub menu work?
[20:22] <The_Dude> nope
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: I know but if the 173 driver was installed the grep would show it as the package name CONTAINS nvidia-glx
[20:23] <yofel> ActionParsnip, bjsnider: actually we have the glx packages as transitional packages in lucid
[20:23] <The_Dude> it tries to mount (hd0,0) fs
[20:23] <The_Dude> for no reason
[20:23] <The_Dude> btw (hd0,0) is ntfs
[20:23] <yofel> ActionParsnip: yes, and what part of 'nvidia-173' 'nvidia-current' 'nvidia-96' CONTAINS nvidia-glx ?
[20:23] <Urda> ActionParsnip: so upgrading breaks compiz hard
[20:23] <The_Dude> agogo kernel panic
[20:23] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: I had to add 'vga16fb' to the blacklist and remove "quiet splash" here to get mine to work
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> !info nvidia-glx-173 lucid
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: that package will have been installed as well as showing up as a result of the grep
[20:24] <yofel> ActionParsnip: yes, it exists, but jockey will not use it but nvidia-173
[20:24] <The_Dude> charlie-tca: I don't think that will help, since my ubuntu tries to mount a ntfs volume as root for no reason
[20:24] <Urda> ActionParsnip: ok they don't think compiz is the issue in #compiz , but what is calling it on startup is the issue
[20:24] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: I don't know if it helps with a kernel panic, though. Normally, I can shutdown completely for a minute or two, the turn it back on to get around the panic
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> !info nvidia-173 lucid
[20:25] <lucid> hello! hope u can help me with this problem: the update broke my shutdown deamon on the panel :( how do i get it back on?
[20:25] <The_Dude> add to panel...?
[20:25] <stanley_> Hi guys can someone please help with my cursor problem, Lucid Lynx, cursor suddenly just stopped working on my profile but works in all others on the same computer
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: ahh I see, some weird jockey thing. Why is there 2 for the same thing?
[20:25] <lucid> The_Dude: yes but it is not the same deamon unfortunately
[20:25] <Urda> ActionParsnip: ubuntu is trying to start compiz the karmic method (?)
[20:25] <bjsnider> yofel, i think those were supposed to be removed too, since doing conflicts: replaces: provides: in the control file does the same thing
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> Urda: I don't use it, remember :). I'm not the guy to ask
[20:26] <Urda> ActionParsnip: aw snap ok :s
[20:26] <yofel> ActionParsnip: the packages were renamed once they were restructured to use the alternatives system
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: alternatives system?
[20:26] <yofel> bjsnider: really? apt-cache still shows them in lucid/restricted
[20:27] <stanley_>  Hi guys can someone please help with my cursor problem, Lucid Lynx, cursor suddenly just stopped working on my profile but works in all others on the same computer
[20:27] <elnur> Can't load 10.04 live cd. Black screen. Any solutions?
[20:27] <bjsnider> yofel, there was some argument about whether they are necessary. i don't think they are
[20:27] <The_Dude> elnur :Don't
[20:27] <elnur> The_Dude, wait for the release?
[20:27] <The_Dude> Yeah
[20:27] <yofel> ActionParsnip: the opengl libs are now configured with /etc/alternatives/gl_conf, so you can have mesa and all nvidia drivers installed at the same time and can switch between them
[20:27] <The_Dude> Not worth it
[20:28] <bjsnider> that 173 description is wrong. it should not have any vdpau libs
[20:28] <elnur> The_Dude, ok. thank you
[20:28] <The_Dude> 10.4 is badass, but it's too darn buggy
[20:28] <stanley_>  Hi guys can someone please help with my cursor problem, Lucid Lynx, cursor suddenly just stopped working on my profile but works in all others on the same computer
[20:28] <saji89> The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:28] <elnur> Btw, is this a channel where ubuntu community collaborates on new releases?
[20:29] <yofel> bjsnider: actually even 96 mentions VDPAU in the short  description
[20:29] <The_Dude> Nah, this is a tech support channel... I'm guessing
[20:29] <lucid> support channel for 10.4
[20:29] <elnur> The_Dude, are problems only on desktop versions? is it ok to install it on as a server?
[20:30] <The_Dude> elnur: Do not install on a server
[20:30] <lucid> anyone know how to get the 10.4 default shutdown actions with the status function implemented back on toolbart after updating?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> elnur: it is still beta, so if you can't afford broken, don't do it
[20:30] <The_Dude> elnur: Unless you want a windows 98 expierience
[20:30] <elnur> I mean when it's released :)
[20:30] <The_Dude> When it's released it should be all fine
[20:31] <charlie-tca> When it is released it should be good for desktops and servers!
[20:31] <The_Dude> it should be good for everything
[20:31] <elnur> I use Debian as server OS, but want to get new features faster then they are available in Debian. So, I think about trying ubuntu 10.04 as a server OS
[20:32] <stanley_> Please someone can you help me...my touchpad isn't working even after restart, I really need this to work urgently
[20:32] <The_Dude> Holdon there Stan Lee
[20:32] <The_Dude> Spiderman can wait
[20:32] <joaopinto> elnur, report the bug
[20:33] <joaopinto> elnur, and install using the alternate cd :)
[20:33] <elnur> joaopinto, on black screen?
[20:33] <joaopinto> elnur, or try a daily live cd
[20:34] <elnur> joaopinto, i think it's better to wait for the release, since this beta is very unstable :)
[20:34] <The_Dude> Guys, help the stanlee dude
[20:34] <elnur> a lot of new stuff...
[20:34] <The_Dude> I think he is serious
[20:34] <joaopinto> elnur, if you don't report the bug don't expect it to be fixed on the final
[20:34] <joaopinto> elnur, the beta is not that unstable, anyway if you do need a productive system, right, don't use a beta :P
[20:35] <The_Dude> What weed have you been smoking, joaopinto
[20:35] <The_Dude> This beta is as unstable as it gets
[20:35] <z0rt|work> his name is peter ok
[20:35] <joaopinto> The_Dude, please stop , this is a support channel, not random chat
[20:35] <joaopinto> !ot | The_Dude
[20:35] <The_Dude> Well i not getting any support whatsoever
[20:36] <The_Dude> so it is vital that i troll
[20:36] <The_Dude> 'n shit
[20:36] <The_Dude> Oh yeah... My problem isn't that bad...
[20:36] <The_Dude> It only renders my whole desktop UN-U-SA-BLE
[20:36] <z0rt|work> yo lebowski what is your problem
[20:36] <joaopinto> !ops | The_Dude
[20:36] <yofel> The_Dude: what was your issue again? I can't find it in the backlog
[20:37] <TommyThaGun> does anyone else use Screenlets?
[20:37] <stanley_> Can anyone just tell me a link where I can get some help with my cursor problem?
[20:37] <The_Dude> yofel, I get a kernel panic on boot because the kernel tries to mount a ntfs volume as root
[20:37] <The_Dude> also
[20:37] <The_Dude> login modules fail to load
[20:38] <yofel> The_Dude: filed a bug?
[20:38] <seicherlbob> hey there! Funny testing Beta, but my networkmanager is down! I made apt-get update yesterday or so and since then, the NM tells me "unmanaged". I updated again today - still unmanaged. How can i bring it up again?
[20:38] <elnur> Getting to report bugs for ubuntu is too complicated.
[20:38] <The_Dude> Yofel, How do you think do you get a bug report with a "kernel doesnt boot"
[20:38] <yofel> stanley_: does it work at all? did you look for any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[20:38] <elnur> When I try to report a bug, it shows be a wiki page with instructions how to collect info about bug from desktop, but I can't even BOOT
[20:38] <z0rt|work> seicherlbob: did you try installing wicd? that worked for me when my wifi wasn't working
[20:39] <yofel> The_Dude: how did you realize it's a kernel panic?
[20:39] <stanley_> yofel: it works if i log into a guest profile I created
[20:39] <The_Dude> It writes on the fricking screen
[20:39] <seicherlbob> z0rt|work: I used to have wicd, but i dont even have my wired connections now!?
[20:39] <saji89>  The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:39] <stanley_> Yofel: I literally was webbrowsing and it just stopped working
[20:39] <The_Dude> Unless you're telling me i need to take photos of my screen
[20:39] <yofel> elnur: please read the page, it explains how to do it without using the bug reporing app
[20:39] <The_Dude> that would be brilliant....
[20:39] <saji89> Anybody there?
[20:40] <saji89>  The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:40] <saji89>  The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:40] <The_Dude> saji89, goto system>preferences>keyboard shorcuts
[20:40] <The_Dude> look for brightness
[20:40] <The_Dude> and bind it
[20:40] <yofel> The_Dude: you know... if you can't get a log from the boot taking a screenshot or a photo of the screen is a valid information to add to a bug
[20:41] <seicherlbob> saji89: and stop flooding
[20:41] <z0rt|work> seicherlbob: hmm. that's weird. anyone else have any idea?
[20:41] <saji89> seicherlbob, sorry.. but this was the 7th time i was typing in my doubt.. Sorry again.
[20:41] <TommyThaGun> it seems like we have a lot of people panicking in this channel
[20:41] <elnur> yofel, i better go to sleep. i don't get it, why do the complicate bug reporting that much...
[20:42] <The_Dude> yofel, Well firstly, i would like this problem solved :<
[20:42] <yofel> stanley_: that's... odd, do you get a kernel error or something like that? (switch to tty1 ctrl-alt-f1, login and run 'dmesg')
[20:42] <saji89> The_Dude, I can see no brightness in the Keyboard-shortcut selection.
[20:42] <TommyThaGun> elnur, try reporting a bug to MS
[20:42] <yofel> elnur: because our bugsquad is overworked and we need good bug reports, and not 'my pc doesn't boot. end.' bug reports
[20:43] <yofel> The_Dude: where does it try to mount it? fstab? did you try to remove the entry?
[20:43] <saji89> The_Dude, I can see no brightness in the Keyboard-shortcut selection.
[20:43] <stanley_> yofel: nope, no kernel error
[20:44] <seicherlbob> saji89: systemcontrol -> Keyboard and Mouse -> global shortcuts. There you choose KDE-Service
[20:44] <seicherlbob> Does anyone know, how to solve a networkmanager thats only saying "unmanaged" (no wired connection, no wifi)
[20:44] <The_Dude> saji89: add to panel brightness control
[20:44] <saji89> seicherlbob, I'm using Ubuntu 10.04, not Kubuntu.
[20:45] <seicherlbob> saji89: sorry, no clue then
[20:45] <stanley_> yofel: it works at the login screen, but as soon as I log into my profile it literally just stops working
[20:45] <yofel> stanley_: hm... as a last resort you could try asking in #ubuntu-x, there might not be someone there at the moment though, if nothing helps try to file a bug against your touchpad driver (usually synaptics with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics')
[20:45] <yofel> stanley_: might be a gnome issue too then, but I don't know how touchpad settings are done there
[20:46] <stanley_> ok then...thanks anyway
[20:46] <saji89> The_Dude, I tried the panel button for Brightness.. It doesn't allow me to clice the '+/-' buttons or change the brightnes...
[20:46] <seicherlbob> stanley_: whats your cursor problem?
[20:46] <yofel> saji89: id doesn't work at all? did it ever work once?
[20:46] <seicherlbob> saji89: maybe you need to set the acpi settings right. run acpi_listen and click the buttons. whats the output?
[20:47] <rapha> it says i dont have all packages installed for file sharing - but what packages do i need?!
[20:47] <rapha> btw
[20:47] <saji89> seicherlbob, It worked fine in Ubuntu 9.40.. From Ubuntu 9.10 onwards its not working.
[20:47] <rapha> bjsnider: charlie-tca: ActionParsnip: graphics work perfectly now, thanks!
[20:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:47] <The_Dude> saji89: Click the applet button > move the slider
[20:47] <seicherlbob> saji89: i repeat: check acpi
[20:47] <The_Dude> et voila
[20:48] <charlie-tca> rapha: file sharing packages should be samba
[20:48] <charlie-tca> !samba | rapha
[20:48] <rapha> charlie-tca: samba i did install!
[20:49] <charlie-tca> oh
[20:50] <saji89> seicherlbob, acpi_listen shows no output, when I use those Hot-Keys.
[20:50] <seicherlbob> saji89: what laptop are you using?
[20:50] <saji89> seicherlbob, acpi_listen shows no  output for most of the Keyboard hotkeys, that are working.
[20:50] <saji89> seicherlbob, My laptop is a Lenovo Y410.
[20:51] <rapha> seicherlbob: are you bavarian?
[20:51] <seicherlbob> saji89: austrian
[20:51] <seicherlbob> saji89: why?
[20:51] <rapha> seicherlbob: "seicher*l*" :-)
[20:51] <saji89> seicherlbob, Why for what?
[20:51] <seicherlbob> saji89: sorry, wrong name
[20:52] <seicherlbob> saji89: have you ever been to thinkwiki.org ?
[20:52] <saji89> seicherlbob, no.
[20:54] <seicherlbob> saji89: the best place for thinkpads and linux. see if you can find any hints for your model. also check the hotkey section.
[20:54] <seicherlbob> saji89: maybe you need to set the hotkey-mask. you'll find the article i mean.
[20:54] <saji89> seicherlbob, ok.. let me see..
[20:55] <seicherlbob> saji89: I have a thinkpad myself and i check the site whenever im having troubles.
[20:55] <z0rt|mobile> stupid question here, how do i exit a tty session opened with ctrl+alt+f1 and return to gnome?
[20:55] <rapha> wtf now it refuses to boot at all
[20:55] <seicherlbob> z0rt|mobile: crtl alt F7
[20:55] <saji89> seicherlbob, Someone told me that this problems arised becauese of the change from HAL to something else starting from Ubuntu 9.10 onwards.
[20:55] <z0rt|mobile> seicherlbob: thanks!
[20:55] <guntbert> z0rt|mobile: to close the session ctrl+d
[20:55] <psusi> z0rt|mobile: both the tty and gnome are both always running... yuo don't exit a session... yuo just switch between them
[20:55] <kampfschlaefer> hi all, anyone here working on mountall/plymouth in lucid? Got a small problem/idea I'd like to discuss...
[20:56] <saji89> seicherlbob, I i'm to file a bug under which package will i file such bugs using the ubuntu-bug command?
[20:56] <seicherlbob> saji89: that could be a reason. check the wiki. maybe someone had the same problem.
[20:56] <rapha> it either hangs at "Starting AppArmor profiles" or quickly after that at "Setting sensors limits", even with acpi=off, noapic and nolapic
[20:56] <seicherlbob> saji89: no clue. i never filed a bug before.
[20:56] <yofel> kampfschlaefer: we're not working on it, but we can advise you where to go next if you tell us your issue
[20:57] <seicherlbob> Does anyone know, how to solve a networkmanager thats only saying "unmanaged" (no wired connection, no wifi)
[20:57] <kampfschlaefer> It seems as if plymouth and mountall have a circular dependency. Nothing is wrong with that per se, only as far as I understand it plymouth is only to make the boot-process nicer on the console.
[20:58] <kampfschlaefer> That machine I am running/testing with lucid has no vga and therefor no console. would be nice to be able to remove the graphic gimicks completely...
[20:59] <yofel> kampfschlaefer: afaik plymouth takes care of how mountall talks to the console too, if you want to remove the splash you can remove the logo packages afaik. see bug 556372 on why it won't be removable
[21:00] <rapha> how can i go back to the default graphics driver from recovery mode?
[21:00] <saji89> seicherlbob, For networkmanager problem try reading this-
[21:00] <saji89> seicherlbob, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012963
[21:01] <yofel> rapha: what driver did you try?
[21:01] <yofel> rapha: usually just remove the driver you installed
[21:02] <rapha> yofel: the problem is that the PC now hangs at startup - i first tried the "current" nvidia driver and then "173" which is now installed
[21:02] <kampfschlaefer> yofel: thanks.
[21:02] <rapha> yofel: it booted nicely once, then from the next boot on (no further changes of any kind) it simply stops at some point around the AppArmor profiles
[21:03] <TommyThaGun> does anyone here you Screenlets?
[21:03] <kampfschlaefer> interesting to read the arguments "because drm is in the kernel, plymouth can stay". My system has no vga, so my kernel has no drm. still I have to use plymouth and libdrm on my system...
[21:03]  * kampfschlaefer creates a fake-package of plymouth to satisfy mountall
[21:04] <rapha> yofel: are you saying i should just aptitude remove nvidia* ?
[21:04] <benkevan> Anyone have an idea why I can't get HTML mails in Lotus Notes on 10.04?
[21:04] <rapha> wow i thought Lotus Notes was long dead and buried
[21:05] <benkevan> rapha: It should be.. but it's not
[21:05] <benkevan> actually it's not a bad app if you use it for more then what we use it for here
[21:05] <rapha> hmm
[21:05] <rapha> i had to use it once
[21:05] <rapha> i still have nightmares
[21:06] <yofel> rapha: it should be as easy as that, that should set lucid to use the mesa gl libs again and remove the nouveau blacklisting
[21:06] <rapha> thanks yofel!
[21:07] <Need_halp> Yus, i believe  i fixoid meh pc (The_Dude)
[21:08] <TommyThaGun> huh?
[21:09] <TommyThaGun> is it possible to do a dist-downgrade?
[21:10] <TommyThaGun> short of starting from scratch?
[21:10] <yofel> no
[21:11] <yofel> you can downgrade specific packages by forcing the install of an older version, but there isn't such a thing as dist-downgrade
[21:13] <joaopinto> and downgrading packages is not support in general
[21:15] <Need_halp> *cry*
[21:15] <rapha> whats the prob Need_halp
[21:15] <kampfschlaefer> TommyThaGun: I tried that with lucid->karmic. apt has a lot problems getting the dependencies right in the case of downgrade. And when I used -f to force it to solve that problems, it solved them. By removing anything down to libc6 and bash and perl and apt. But now that disk is re-formatted and a new lucid install is working like a charm :-)
[21:16] <TommyThaGun> more curios for future use
[21:16] <TommyThaGun> incase I don't like M and M version
[21:17] <TommyThaGun> I would not want to downgrade to karmmic
[21:17] <TommyThaGun> lucid is the best distro of linux I've ever had on my machine
[21:17] <TommyThaGun> I'm worried I won't like the next release as much
[21:17] <toto_> hi!
[21:17] <toto_> i need some help
[21:17] <joaopinto> TommyThaGun, the best solution if you need that is to backup before upgrading, and restoring if needed
[21:17] <seicherlbob> ok, i tried nm-system-settings with both managed=true and managed=false. i reloaded and start/stopped  it several times. I even restarted the applet every time. no change. The applet still tells me "unmanaged"
[21:18] <yofel> !ask | toto_
[21:18] <toto_> ok, thank you for the tip :)
[21:19] <Need_halp> rapha: cant login to ubuntu
[21:19] <Need_halp> ld.so is fu**ed up
[21:19] <rapha> omg
[21:19] <kampfschlaefer> TommyThaGun: you mean the 10.10 version? by default I think lucid at least the server install will only upgrade to the next LTS-version. Unless told otherwise. But you can also "force" the desktop version by editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades...
[21:19] <rapha> maybe a reinstall would save some time?
[21:19] <Need_halp> Errr
[21:19] <Need_halp> no?
[21:20] <rapha> k ... then im outta my league, sry
[21:20] <seicherlbob> I have another severe problem aswell: My laptops keyboard and mouse are not working anymore! While kubuntu is booting, all I get is some "broken pipe" messages around the screen. external mouse and keyboard are working. Any suggestions how to fix that or at least how to track the error down?
[21:20] <yofel> Need_halp: you mean the cache? did you try ldconfig from the recovery console?
[21:20] <toto_> well, i migrate from karmic to lucid few hours ago. all fine, until i rebooted my laptop: it did not boot. it seems the kernel freezes just after it mounts all partitions (an error something like "could not write byte | broken pipe"). any idea ?
[21:21] <rapha> yofel: okay so removing nvidia* made the pc boot again, but it says "ubuntu is running on low graphics settings" and all that yadda yadda ... so it looks like i need to do something else to get the original driver back?
[21:21] <yofel> rapha: does 'lsmod | grep nouveau' give you something? checked the xorg log why you get low graphics mode? (xorg.0.log.old maybe)
[21:23] <Need_halp> Bah, I'm going to sleep
[21:23] <rapha> yofel: yes, the module is loaded. the xorg log says it couldnt load module "nvidia" (heck, it wasnt supposed to1)
[21:23] <Need_halp> thx all for the wondrous help
[21:24] <yofel> rapha: maybe xorg.conf was left in place when the driver was removed? (happens if you remove it without jockey)
[21:24] <benkevan> anything special needed for evolution to paint html emails? I purged evolution.. maybe something else was removed? hummm
[21:24] <rapha> you're right yofel, there are xorg.conf's in /etc/X11 - can i just delete them?
[21:25] <yofel> rapha: if you use the default driver: yes
[21:25] <rapha> okay
[21:27] <yofel> toto_: the broken pipe message seems to be bug 521298 - I don't know if that should prevent booting though
[21:27] <rapha> maybe ill try installing nvidia-current again through aptitude; i think the 173 driver might have been the cause of the boot prob
[21:28] <toto_> yofel: yep, i read it, not really good for me :/
[21:28] <dhrosa> heya, trying to install lucid lynx on my PC, the CD simply stops after a while
[21:29] <dhrosa> here are no errors on the cd
[21:29] <toto_> yofel: but i did not have any prompt :/
[21:29] <Urda> ok so something is screwing with compiz on 10.04 bootup
[21:29] <dhrosa> all he'd and CD drive activity just stops...
[21:29] <Urda> Compiz has been cleaned up, and runs fine
[21:29] <dhrosa> all tthe*
[21:30] <Urda> But on boot up, Ubuntu swap the Visual Settings to none, which takes away all my window frames, and I can't get them back until I set it custom or another level
[21:30] <Urda> or if I run compiz -- replace & in the command line, but that doesn't seem to be working for boot up
[21:30] <duffydack> hmm, ive updated but the buttons havent changed
[21:31] <Urda> ...if added as a startup Item
[21:31] <DShepherd> how do i edit the applications that startup in my session ?
[21:31] <dhrosa> anyone know why the CD simply stops?
[21:31] <DShepherd> dhrosa: bad burn maybe? did you check the md5sum of the image after download?
[21:32] <dhrosa> the error check option on the menu says no errora
[21:33] <dhrosa> it loads for a while, then simply stays on the Ubuntu logo with nothing happening in the progress bar
[21:33] <DShepherd> i dont know... then
[21:34] <seicherlbob> when I do ctrl
[21:34] <seicherlbob> when I do ctrl+alt+F1 I get no tty. only a blinking cursor prompt. any suggestions why?
[21:34] <rapha> how do you disable the dialog that comes after bootup "your key was not unlocked automatically, enter it now"?
[21:38] <duffydack> rapha, accessories, passwords and encryption keys, right click the key and change password to a blank one.. is one way...
[21:39] <DASPRiD> rapha, hey
[21:40] <murlidhar> is just me or firefox is not rendering the fonts good ... it is a pain in the eyes :(
[21:41] <murlidhar> firefox in karmic rendered the fonts pretty good. or maybe cause the lucid is still in beta...
[21:41] <murlidhar> but google chrome too isn't rendering the fonts good.
[21:42] <Urda> FYI compiz upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 doesn't play nice
[21:43] <murlidhar> i did a fresh install ....
[21:43] <murlidhar> compiz works fine in a fresh install.
[21:44] <Urda> murlidhar: I have it working fine now, just had to rework a few things and re-install a few packages
[21:52] <toto_> ok. i had something working
[21:53] <toto_> i removed UUID into /etc/fstab
[21:53] <toto_> and replaced them by path
[21:56] <struts> When not using an app like ibus, what app "transmits" my keystrokes to an app?
[21:58] <hoban> hello everyone, recently I'm getting errors such as: W: GPG error: http://mirrors.us.kernel.org lucid-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[21:58] <hoban> how do I fix them?
[21:58] <struts> Or: What's the app behind system -> perferences -> keyboard?
[22:00] <hoban> struts, gnome-keyboard-properties
[22:04] <rapha> duffydack: thx that did it!
[22:04] <rapha> DASPRiD: heya! how are you?
[22:05] <DASPRiD> pretty well, how about you?
[22:05] <DASPRiD> my new dx800raid is comming next week, 16tb of space in an external raid6 box via two sas ports (6gbit/s) :)
[22:06] <markl_> VDPAU - does it work with totem by default or do I have to do some tweaking?
[22:06] <rapha> DASPRiD: good, moving to Dresden now ... together with Johanna ... prolly going to begin studying Archaeology or some such thing
[22:07] <DASPRiD> rapha, cool :), hey, let's move to #dasprids with this private talk
[22:07] <dhrosa_> hello, i'm attempting to install lucid lynx beta 2, I get past the the menu to install or try ubuntu, and the loading screen goes for a while, but then simply hangs
[22:07] <dhrosa_> the md5 sum of my iso is correct, and the CD reported no errors when I did the error check
[22:07] <rapha> DASPRiD: normally i'd say yes without hesitation but am at a friend's installing Ubuntu on his parent's PC so kinda busy =)
[22:07] <DASPRiD> rapha, hehe alright ;)
[22:10] <CT1> Hi. I have 2 monitors connected to my nvidia card.  I have twinview at the moment which I like alot but I'd rather have 2 seperate screens.  Some apps (dosbox, snes emulators etc) see the screens as one big one when going fullscreen. Also compiz cube does too.  How can I have these apps see that there are 2 monitors?  I'm happy to read if anyone has some links, google-ing has proven unsuccessful as of yet.
[22:10] <_stryk3r> 200mb update :O
[22:11] <rapha> help again! sound stopped working - the device under sound prefs / hardware has just vanished - how to debug?
[22:12] <rapha> !pulseaudio
[22:12] <CT1> rapha: No linux expert here, but I once had a soundblaster audigy that dissapeared (in windows) turns out it didn't fit well in the case and kept popping out of the pci slot.
[22:13] <rapha> CT1: nah this PC is too old and has never had such a prob - unlikely
[22:13] <rapha> dmesg says "hda-intel: unable to grab irq 0, disabling device"
[22:14] <rapha> maybe because of noapic or nolapic?
[22:18] <rapha> ah
[22:18] <rapha> because of edd=on
[22:18] <nemo> rapha: there are a ton of hda-intel related bugs, some suggest restarting services and changing...
[22:18] <rapha> thx TC1 :)
[22:18] <nemo> yeah. those.
[22:18] <rapha> ...
[22:19] <CT1> rapha:  :)
[22:30] <Hatl> hi! i updated lucid to the current repository version using aptitude and i get the following error: initramfs-tools broken. unable to resolve dependency
[22:30] <Hatl> anybody got the same problem?
[22:34] <Milos_SD> Hi
[22:34] <Milos_SD> I have a problem with Evolution
[22:34] <Milos_SD> When I want to write a new email, evolution segfalts
[22:35] <Milos_SD> Segmentation fault
[22:35] <Milos_SD> when I click on button "New" in evolution :(
[22:35] <nemo> Milos_SD: sayyy. did you by any chance try Evolution 2.30 in Lucid? :)
[22:36] <Milos_SD> hmm... no why?
[22:36] <dhrosa> lucid won't boot unless I remove the quiet splash option from the boot command, what's going on here?
[22:36] <nemo> different prob I guess
[22:36] <Milos_SD> I did a long time ago, but I returned to 2.28
[22:36] <nemo> Milos_SD: why not run gdb evolution and get a bt?
[22:36] <nemo> ah-HAH
[22:36] <nemo> Milos_SD: did you try to write a new e-mail since then?
[22:36] <Milos_SD> yes
[22:36] <Milos_SD> :)
[22:36] <nemo> damn
[22:37] <nemo> Milos_SD: ok. well, personally it was 'cause I failed to revert gtkhtml - once I did that, everything was fine
[22:37] <nemo> you probably should try a bt though in gdb to see where it is crashing
[22:37] <nemo> might want to check for anything matching evolution that is still on 2.30 too
[22:37] <Milos_SD> how can I do that?
[22:37] <nemo> gdb `which evolution`
[22:37] <nemo> crash
[22:37] <nemo> type bt
[22:37] <nemo> er
[22:37] <nemo> type run
[22:37] <nemo> then crash, then bt
[22:38] <Milos_SD> nemo, hmm... synaptic says that package libgtkhtml-editor is broken :S
[22:38] <nemo> heheh
[22:39] <nemo> Milos_SD: you probably didn't clean that one up
[22:39] <nemo> just remove and reinstall it
[22:39] <nemo> I'm at a loss as to how e-mail ever worked though
[22:40] <Milos_SD> hmm... I'll try that
[22:40] <Milos_SD> but I think that new email worked :S
[22:40] <Milos_SD> there was some updates for evolution few days ago, maybe that broke it :S
[22:42] <CT1> I've tried TwinView with 2 monitors but there are things I don't like.  Fullscreen flash videos leave fullscreen after loosing focus (what I'd like:  browsing on one screen with fullscreen youtube on another)  dosbox, tremulous and many other "games" span across both screens not just the one.  Compiz cube rotates as if the 2 screens are one (I'd like a seperate cube for each screen)  Is this possible? if so, where should I start googling?
[22:42] <Slart> Is there a way to generate a basic xorg.conf that won't mess up anything or use the values it autodetects? I need to add an option for a touchpad but I'm running without an xorg.conf
[22:43] <nemo> CT1: don't know too much about how dosbox does things, but in hedgewars, where we share resolution for both windowed and fullscreen ( we probably should change that ) we have this FAQ entry http://hedgewars.org/faq.html#n1304
[22:43] <nemo> FWIW
[22:45] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[22:46] <nemo> mauri: you're SOL
[22:46] <nemo> mauri: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
[22:46] <CT1> nemo: I'll start from there. Hopefully I'll get an Idea of what to google.  Thanks.
[22:46] <nemo> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2008-November/023133.html
[22:46] <nemo> mauri: w/ linux, generally best to check the SANE list first, and pick the device next, since manufacturers never bother to write drivers
[22:49] <mauri> nemo: ive already checed but it seem not supperted...what i have to do....it a new scanner
[22:51] <nemo> mauri: you can return it, or run OSX or Windows in virtualbox perhaps.
[22:51] <nemo> I doubt writing nasty letters to the manufacturer will help
[22:51] <nemo> definitely check the list first next time :)
[22:51] <nemo> mauri: or you could try to find a dev who might be willing to make another canon model driver work for it
[22:51] <nemo> that's probably a bit more likely than the nasty letter campaign
[22:52] <nemo> returning it is probably best option
[22:52] <nemo> (if you really want linux working w/ a scanner)
[22:53] <mauri> nemo: unfotunate3ly im not an linux expert
[22:53]  * z0rt|work wants an open source world
[22:53] <nemo> mauri: scanners are one of those hard ones
[22:54] <nemo> there are a ton of models, pretty much none of 'em support linux
[22:54] <nemo> mauri: and of course it isn't as common as, say, a soundcard
[22:54] <nemo> mauri: so you get this situation where a bunch of drivers need writing, there is little to no manufacturer support, and much less community interest
[22:54] <mauri> nemo: ok
[22:55] <nemo> as a result, is one of the places where it is still important to check for support first
[22:55] <nemo> mauri: and as an advantage, checking for support is "voting with your wallet" :)
[22:55] <nemo> super bonus points for picking one where the manufacturer documented APIs and opened source
[22:56] <mauri> where a can start the search
[22:56] <avis> mawst, do not exploit terrorism laws in this channel
[22:56] <struts> When Ubuntu's not using for example ibus, which app does it use?
[22:56] <rapha> another question, is there a way to set a 16:10 screen to a 4:3 resolution without STRETCHING the picture, but having two black stripes left and right of it instead? under windows there's special software for that, but under ubuntu ... ?
[22:58] <stefano_> my alt key is stuck, seemingly since i installed sugar. i've now removed everything (i think) - does anybody have a clue why this is?
[22:58] <yoasif> http://quippd.com/show/337/Vimium%3A_Vimperator_for_Chrome
[22:59] <myk_robinson> !bug #563893
[23:08] <vbundi> after resuming my laptop from suspend, my fans are not coming on... anyone else having this problem?
[23:08] <vbundi> is there an app that controls fans in linux or is it all BIOS driven
[23:09] <stefano_> vbundi, i had the same thing when my fan was just close to breaking completely due to dust. do you know it's clean?
[23:10] <t3chkommie> hey everyone.
[23:10] <t3chkommie> does anyone know why  i have alot of packages not installing when i run update manager?
[23:10] <stefano_> t3chkommie, try sudo apt-get update, then try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:11] <stefano_> and upgrade again
[23:11] <nemo> mauri: WRT search, just check the SANE list I linked you to
[23:11] <vbundi> stefano_ I'm pretty sure it's clean, the system was refurbished
[23:11] <nemo> mauri: there's info on there about the level of support and such
[23:11] <nemo> can then compare that against scanner features and price
[23:11] <t3chkommie> ok thanks stephano
[23:11] <vbundi> the thing is that there are 2 fans... one for the GPU and one for the cpu and neither are comming on
[23:12] <nemo> mauri: one interesting thing about the scanner you picked is that it actually seems like it miiiight be one that could work with an existing driver
[23:12] <mauri> nemo: ive check but lide100 is unsupported....i didnt find anything
[23:12] <nemo> mauri: might just need adding that scanner's name/ID to driver
[23:12] <EvilEpoch> hello all
[23:12] <stefano_> vbundi, mh.. i'm almost certain linux can not interfere with the fans at all (at least not the cpu fan, the gpu one might be controlled by the graphics driver)
[23:12] <vbundi> is there a way to force my fans into hih mode so that I can see if it's my motherboard or fans that are failing?
[23:12] <nemo> mauri: I know, I meant for your next purchase :-p
[23:13] <janito_> update freeze is tomorrow right ?
[23:13] <vbundi> stefano_: I've seen applications online like thinkfan and dellfand and l8kutils that control fanspeed from linux
[23:13] <EvilEpoch> I was trying to update my 10.04 beta and some updates couldnt be downloaded , which has happened before except this time when i restarted the system would get to gnome and my keyboard and mouse wouldnt work
[23:13] <stefano_> vbundi, have you checked your bios? my last laptop - the one that broke from dust - had a setting to always have the fans on full blast
[23:13] <EvilEpoch> is there a way to boot and re run the updates see if anything in there could fix this
[23:13] <mauri> nemo: ok i have to waste the scanner i understand
[23:14] <vbundi> stefano_: no I actually didn't think about that... good idea
[23:14] <nemo> mauri: I'm going to look at the driver, just for the hell of it
[23:14] <nemo> mauri: not waste, you can't return it?
[23:15] <mauri> nemo: today it was the last day
[23:15] <mauri> nemo: 7 days
[23:15] <nemo> sooo
[23:16] <nemo> go there today
[23:16] <nemo> and shame on you for waiting so long
[23:17] <nemo> mauri: if you check the sane driver source file, looks like it uses product IDs to identify supported scanners
[23:17] <nemo> mauri: for example.
[23:17] <nemo> # Canon LiDE 60
[23:17] <nemo> usb 0x04a9 0x221c
[23:17] <nemo> mauri: your scanner is 0x04a9 0x1904
[23:18] <nemo> you miiiiight be able to simply add that value
[23:18] <nemo> build the driver
[23:18] <nemo> install it
[23:18] <nemo> and things might work :)
[23:18] <nemo> maybe ;)
[23:19] <lotia> the amd64 alternate installer for the 2010.04.15 build fails to install
[23:19] <mauri> nemo: ok i dont know how but i try
[23:19] <nemo> mauri: yeah, that's kind of a complicated thing...
[23:19] <nemo> mauri: ever built anything before, ever?
[23:20] <mauri> nemo: vlc
[23:20] <nemo> ok. that should help
[23:20] <nemo> ftp://ftp.sane-project.org/pub/sane/sane-backends-1.0.20/
[23:20] <nemo> the backends are there
[23:20] <joaopinto_> and you should file a bug report first :)
[23:20] <nemo> mauri: the file I was looking at was backend/genesys.conf.in
[23:20] <nemo> and joaopinto_ is very right
[23:21] <joaopinto_> you could be very luckly and someone else doing that patch right now :D
[23:21] <joaopinto_> lucky
[23:21] <nemo> mauri: I note also that the driver appears to be intended for gl841 chips, it supports gl843 kind of as a special case
[23:21] <nemo> that might actually be good news, since it might suggest a set of chips w/ incremental improvements, might improve your odds
[23:21] <nick125> Anyone here having issues upgrading kernels when the linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic package is installed?
[23:22] <nemo> mauri: I'd still suggest going to the store today and returning it though
[23:22] <nick125> linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic depends on linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-21-generic; however: Package linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-21-generic is not installed.
[23:22] <nemo> mauri: perhaps you could even ask for another 7 day extension, give you time to try and get driver working :)
[23:23] <mauri> nemo: here is night
[23:23] <nick125> oh, here's the actual problem:
[23:23] <nemo> ah. so you really did wait exactly precisely too long. ah well.
[23:23] <nick125>  trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/compat_firmware.sh', which is also in package linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-20-generic 0:2.6.32-20.10
[23:27] <thedoor> anyone have a problems after update
[23:27] <thedoor> my 10.04 don't boot anymore!
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> what do you mean by 'don't boot"
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> where is it stuck?
[23:28] <ChogyDan> nick125: Ive been confused by the linux versioning myself.  which is it?  20 or 21?
[23:28] <Ian_Corne> difference between 20 and 21 is just an ABI update
[23:28] <LordKow> i dont think compat_firmware.sh is supposed to be supplied by backport-modules-wireless.
[23:28] <nick125> ChogyDan: I'm going from 2.6.32-20 to 2.6.32-21. But, the actual update is probably a minor update.
[23:28] <thedoor> im receiving the following messages "kernel panic - not synccing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow block"
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> oh, that's bad
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> I don 't know that :)
[23:29] <nick125> LordKow: I thought that was a little odd
[23:29] <thedoor> i turned of when it's updating the system :( and it's happend :(
[23:29] <nick125> thedoor: Can you boot the old kernel?
[23:29] <thedoor> nick125, how can i try this? the grub don't give me any menu :(
[23:30] <nick125> thedoor: I think you're supposed to hold down a key to get the grub menu to show up...
[23:30] <nick125> shift key, I believe
[23:30] <ChogyDan> nick125: yeah, but 20 was actually versioned as 21, which is why you got that error I think.
[23:30] <ZykoticK9> nick125, thedoor yes it's Shift to get grub menu
[23:30] <thedoor> :)
[23:31] <nick125> ChogyDan: It's not. I had -20 installed, and the installation of -21 is conflicting with files provided by -20.
[23:31] <thedoor> the old kernel is booting :D
[23:31] <ChogyDan> nick125: that's what I'm saying.  The package was 20, but the files were 21
[23:31] <thedoor> oh, but i's loaded without my mouse and keyboard working :(
[23:32]  * bagpuss_thecat gets all his UNR netbook-launcher icons back by reinstalling gnome-menus :-D
[23:33] <gustowers> having unable to load nvidia.ko on lucid
[23:33] <gustowers> from nvidia binary install attempt
[23:33] <gustowers> ideas?
[23:33] <ChogyDan> nvdia website?
[23:33] <ChogyDan> or from the repos?
[23:34] <gustowers> nvidia
[23:34] <gustowers> I need version 185 specifically
[23:34] <gustowers> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg0.run
[23:34] <nick125> Isn't 185 in Lucid already?
[23:35] <gustowers> it builds, then tries to load then says unable to load module
[23:35] <thedoor> how can i run something like the update manager in text mode?
[23:35] <ZykoticK9> thedoor, "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[23:36] <ZykoticK9> gustowers, i don't believe the version from nvidia site is compatible with Lucid yet
[23:36] <yofel> gustowers: the drivers from the nvidia site don't work out of the box,  I'm not sure if they will work at all
[23:37] <yofel> nick125: and in lucid we have 195, not 185
[23:37] <nick125> yofel: I knew it had a 1 and a 5 in it! ;)
[23:37] <gustowers> ok, thanks
[23:37] <nick125> gustowers: Just curious, why do you need 185 in specific?
[23:38] <yofel> gustowers: first I don't know what the mesa opengl system will mess with the driver and you need to at least blacklist nouveau first to try the nvidia driver
[23:38] <yofel> s/what/if/
[23:40] <yofel> nick125: iirc there was at least a message on nvforums about hdmi-audio not working with >185
[23:40] <Moc> woohoo I can replicate the draging window selecting the window under it bug
[23:42] <a514> Hey the Workspace Switcher crashed?
[23:43] <a514> I d/l a pre 9.10 1 time and it crashed ? Why are betas flakie
[23:44] <thedoor> yeah
[23:44] <thedoor> i did it :D
[23:44] <thedoor> i finished the update process via terminal
[23:44] <thedoor> and now it works fine :D
[23:45] <yofel> err... beta is by definition "work in progress", it *can* work for you, but the  RC is the first release that *should* work
[23:46] <thedoor> :)
[23:46] <thedoor> um using in pmy work notebook :)
[23:46] <thedoor> and it works fine
[23:46] <thedoor> sometimes i forget that im using beta
[23:47] <a514> How could things |code| change? why break a good egg :)
[23:48] <a514> Whenyoucanboilthemhard
[23:48] <Moc> I really wish they fixed the download freeze bug in firefox
[23:50] <a514> Imagine a Upad :)
[23:51] <a514> I read about a WePad "german" & CrunchPad "usa"
[23:54] <ninjai> Upad? Upad > iPad
[23:55] <ninjai> all I gotta say about that is that there's a knock-off ipad out there somewhere that runs android... so it's still a linux ipad ;).  It was on gizmodo.com I think
[23:55] <a514> ninjai yeah the JooJoo pad
[23:56] <ninjai> a514 yeah thats the one.  I just don't get it, these stupid pads are all the rage over the past little while.  I would never use one.  I like my laptop :)
[23:56] <holstein> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/15/ipad-printing-solved/
[23:56] <ninjai> ya i saw that today
[23:56] <ninjai> lol
[23:56] <ninjai> scanning
[23:56] <holstein> hehe
[23:56] <ninjai> has anyone used the ubuntu music store yet?
[23:57] <ninjai> I think ubuntus next logical move after 10.04 would be to invest in gaming.  For real.  Imagine a steam-like ubuntu store for linux games.  That would be pretty awesome and attract more users.
[23:58] <holstein> nah, great idea though
[23:58] <holstein> i think
[23:58] <ninjai> I love linux for what it is... but the only way to overcome the competition is to at least do what they have been exceedingly good at for years.  Which is gaming
[23:59] <ninjai> linux would have it all :)
[23:59] <ali1234> what games would they have? that's the only thing that matters
[23:59] <ninjai> new ones?