nigelbchrisccoulson, hey, got a minute?00:56
chrisccoulsonnigelb - possibly ;)00:57
nigelbchrisccoulson, after the epiphany-browser update, the epiphany-extensions and epiphany-extensions-more dont work00:57
chrisccoulsonthey probably need to be sync'd from debian too00:58
nigelbepiphany-extensions need to be, epiphany-extensions-more isn't updated in debian yet00:58
nigelbchrisccoulson, so you'll by syncing it ?01:00
chrisccoulsonnigelb - i can't sync packages, but you could request a sync01:01
nigelbchrisccoulson, aren't we in final freeze ?01:02
chrisccoulsonwe will be in a minute ;)01:02
nigelbouch, so isn't it going to be twisted since I need everything all the way from FFE?01:03
NafaiI didn't get my gnome-bluetooth bug fixed :(01:05
nigelbNafai, bug fixes go in just fine :)01:06
Nafaioh good :)01:07
Nafainew to the process here01:07
nigelbonly someone has to manually approve it :)01:08
Nafairegardless, I don't yet have upload permissions so someone else would have to take care of it anyway :)01:09
chrisccoulsonNafai - whats the bug?01:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 558841 in gnome-bluetooth "bluetooth "devices" menu item not working in bluetooth indicator" [High,In progress]01:10
Nafaithe devices aren't showing up on the indicator01:10
NafaiI believe it is actually a bug in appindicator libraries01:10
Nafaiand I have narrowed it down to the release where it is exhibited01:10
Nafaibut it is confusing because there doesn't seem to be code changes that might cause that01:10
brycehrickspencer3, http://insidesocal.com/click/2010/04/im-running-the-ubuntu-1004-bet.html01:17
* rickspencer3 looks01:20
rickspencer3"I've heard/read that the ability to turn off kernel mode setting might either be changing or going away in future kernels. I have nothing confirming or denying this. I only know that the Xorg developers really don't care about what users of older Intel video chips have had to go through for the past couple of years.01:21
Nafairickspencer3: also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/558841/comments/7 :)01:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 558841 in gnome-bluetooth "bluetooth "devices" menu item not working in bluetooth indicator" [High,In progress]01:21
rickspencer3bryceh, I assume that refers to upstream, not us ;)01:22
brycehrickspencer3, right01:23
brycehrickspencer3, it's a good signal that our decision to disable kms on 830 is going to be well received01:24
rickspencer3Nafai so you're a bit blocked?01:24
rickspencer3have you debugged into the code and found where the UI states are set and such?01:24
Nafai(to both)01:29
Nafaiand they definitely are set correctly on the bt side, but aren't caught over on the appindicator side01:30
rickspencer3so the app indicator is not seeing the messages?01:33
rickspencer3but the messages are being sent?01:35
rickspencer3what is different about the bluetooth messages?01:35
Nafaiwell, the menu structure is being set, but the watcher over in libappindicator isn't picking up the changes01:35
rickspencer3but is the applet ripping the dbus calls?01:36
NafaiI'm not sure I follow01:37
rickspencer3how does the gnome-bluetooth tell dbusmenu that there are devices present?01:38
Nafaiwhat might be different here is in this case after the menu is set on the app indicator in the bt indicator, actions are added for each of the devices (when you turn on bluetooth and it sees each of the devices).  these GtkActions are mapped to menu items01:38
Nafailibappindicator has some kind of proxy that listens to signals from the GtkMenu you have set and then makes appropriate calls to dbusmenu01:38
Nafaiin this case, libappindicator isn't getting whatever the appropriate signal might be and thus isn't making the dbusmenu calls01:39
Nafainow, the other menu items that show up when you turn on bluetooth are already on the menu, but are just not visible01:40
Nafaiso libappindicator is picking up the visibility toggle signal01:40
Nafaifor those items01:40
rickspencer3Nafai, can you explain to me briefly how the indicator discovers available devices?01:42
Nafaisure, let me double check the code real quick to check my understanding01:43
Nafaiok. there is bluetooth client code that underneath uses bluez (I imagine) to listen to the actual bluetooth adapter.  it is hooked up to a GtkTree model.  When a row is added to this model via the client (i.e., the adapter sees another device), a callback is called that will update device list by iterating through the tree model, adding submenus and menu items based on the capabilities and type of the particular device01:47
Nafaiit adds these to a GtkUiManager, btw01:48
rickspencer3how does the client hear from bluez?01:49
rickspencer3for example, that a device is added?01:49
bcurtiswxis there something wrong with the i386 builders.. or is there just THAT many packages waiting to be built?01:52
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, 869 jobs in the queue01:53
Nafaithat I'm not sure, that's in code separate from the applet, looks.  I've taken for granted that it works, which my debug prints show that the devices are seen01:53
Nafaichrisccoulson: Gotta get things in before the freeze! :)01:53
chrisccoulsonand one of them is building openjdk-6, which is pretty big01:53
chrisccoulson27 hours01:54
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson: interesting.. so tomorrow i should expect a hail mary worth of packages then01:54
chrisccoulsonprobably ;)01:54
Nafaier, wee01:54
bcurtiswxNafai. lol01:55
rickspencer3Nafai there will still be time to get the fix in01:55
rickspencer3so the client sees the devices, have you confirmed that the TreeModel is updating properly?01:56
bcurtiswxanyone here follow the NHL?01:56
Nafaiyeah, or the update_device_list wouldn't be called.01:57
rickspencer3what object has update_device_list?01:57
NafaiI honestly think (and unfortunately nothing in the difference between the last working and the broken version helps me here) that there is something not being seen about the action that gets added for each device01:57
rickspencer3Nafai, yeah01:57
rickspencer3I'm trying to trace teh data through01:57
rickspencer3so can you confirm the treemodel is getting updated *properly*01:58
rickspencer3and that the right data is getting sent?01:58
rickspencer3oops dinner ready01:58
Nafaiyeah, I'll do that next while you are eating :)01:58
bcurtiswxwhat is a "private source" ?02:01
Nafaithis would be easier to debug in Python :)  Easier to display data structures, etc :)02:13
rickspencer3for surez02:14
Nafailet me add one more debug thing to make sure the menu is getting created correctly.  I've only got a debug print where it gets added, but I'm not actually showing it02:15
chrisccoulsonNafai - you find python easier to debug?02:31
Nafaiin some ways, definitely02:32
Nafaibecause of introspection02:32
chrisccoulsoni never know what tools to use to debug python properly02:32
Nafaiprint :)02:33
chrisccoulsoni suppose i just like C far too much ;)02:33
chrisccoulsongdb FTW :)02:33
NafaiI've never really used a python debugger02:33
Nafaiwell, the problem I'm having is I'm trying to examine a GtkMenu structure02:33
rickspencer3no debugger will help much with that02:33
Nafaiin python, I'd just print it and the str representations would normally give me all I need02:33
rickspencer3the data structure will be pushed way down into the treemodel02:33
RAOFYou know what both python & mono need?  The ability to just dump the VM state so you can debug at your leisure.02:34
rickspencer3and spread around02:34
Nafaiin C, I'd have to write code to walk the linked lists and so forth02:34
rickspencer3Nafai, can you not do a get_model() and then iterate on the roads in the debugger?02:34
NafaiRAOF: That would be cool and I can't imagine why that shouldn't be possible with Python (not knowing the full details of the underlying python vm)02:34
Nafairickspencer3: I'm looking at the GtkMenu, not the GtkTreeModel.  the GtkMenu stores the items in a glist, IIRC02:36
Nafaiwhich is a bunch of void pointers02:36
Nafaiso I have to walk the list, cast to the right object type, get the label property to see what I want02:36
rickspencer3well, you could at least verify that the count is correct as a start02:37
Nafaigood point02:38
* Nafai is getting better at this with all your help02:39
chrisccoulsonanyone here familiar with orbit?02:49
rickspencer3looks like my HD pitivi movie is going to take about an hour or two to render :003:02
* rickspencer3 goes to clean kitchen03:02
Nafaichrisccoulson: My guess is that is a no :)03:02
rickspencer3well, it's late03:02
chrisccoulsonNafai - i guess so. i don't think anybody understands orbit ;)03:03
rickspencer3pitivi has gotten really good03:03
Nafaichrisccoulson: isn't it eventually going away?03:03
chrisccoulsonNafai - yeah, gconf and bonobo are the big users03:04
* rickspencer3 shudders03:05
* rickspencer3 pukes enterprise alphabet soup03:05
Nafaiyeah, ewww03:06
pittiGood morning06:46
TheMusopitti: Good morning to you.06:59
pittihey TheMuso07:00
* pitti -> breakfast07:00
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baptistemmgood morning07:53
robert_ancellhuats, hello08:09
huatshey robert_ancell08:10
huatshow are you ?08:10
robert_ancellhuats, good, yourself? better luck with the package updates?08:11
robert_ancellalso, you going to uds this year?08:11
huatsrobert_ancell, nope, I haven't been sponsored08:12
robert_ancellhuats, :(08:12
RAOFAAArgh.  Gosh darn it evolution.  Is it *really* necessary for you to to use gigabytes of my ram *and* half my swap?08:12
huatsbut actually I don't deserve really it since I haven't been  very very active for a few months (do you know I am a proud and lucky father of a almost 3 months old little boy)08:13
huatsthanks RAOF08:13
huatsthat explains a lot my smaller contributions :)08:14
robert_ancell(they will get bigger ;) )08:15
pittihuats: ooh, congratulations!08:15
huatsthanks pitti :)08:16
huatsTheo + the building/running of my own company has been really really time consuming...08:16
huats(I am not saying it is not worth it)08:16
didrocksgood morning08:20
pittibonjour didrocks08:22
RAOFGood morning didrocks, pitti.08:23
pittihey RAOF, good evening08:23
didrockshey pitti, RAOF08:24
didrockspitti: how was your dinner yesterday?08:24
RAOFAlmost time to turn off all this computer equipment and dismantle the desk for moving!08:25
didrocksRAOF: sure, enjoy your evening!08:27
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pittididrocks: oh, wasn't dinner; my parents came by for congratulating, and we had some sparkling wine :)08:36
mvoArneGoetje: could you please have a look at bug #56360508:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 563605 in language-pack-zh-hant "file overwrite error on upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56360508:37
didrockspitti: sweet :) you move this week-end to Munich?08:38
pittididrocks: no, next one, for a week; then further on to Belgium for two weeks08:38
didrockshum, right, it will be long for your family I guess…08:39
didrocksgrrr, I have this stupid applet bug display again08:39
seb128hey didrocks08:40
pittididrocks: I'll come back to Dresden afterwards08:40
seb128hey pitti08:40
pittididrocks: I'll probably spend about a week every month in Munich08:40
pittibonjour seb12808:40
didrocksgood morning seb12808:40
didrockspitti: oh, moving back and forth. Hope it won't be too tiring for you08:41
pittididrocks: should be fine; trains are comfortable :)08:45
ArneGoetjemvo: looking...08:49
seb128pitti, technically bug #550195 is not fixed, the issue is still in the mixer dialog08:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 550195 in gnome-media "when volume is on 0 and moved up the volume doesn't update" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55019508:53
pittiseb128: hm; it seems to behave just fine for me08:53
pittibut we can reopen it if you still see something broken08:54
seb128pitti, oh, indeed08:54
seb128pitti, it was fixed in 2.29.91-0ubuntu108:54
seb128    + bug 599663 - make changing the volume unmute (lp: #460390)08:54
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 599663 could not be found08:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460390 in gnome-media "Pulling volume down to bottom and up again leaves mute on" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46039008:54
seb128pitti, thanks for closing it ;-)08:55
pittiah, great08:55
seb128pitti, so it seems that gdm bug which didn't make any sense about login failing is a nvidia binary driver bug08:58
pittiseb128: bug 516520 you mean?09:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 516520 in gdm "pam_unix(gdm:auth): conversation failed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51652009:04
pittiseb128: funny, I was just going to look at it again09:04
pittiI'm done with my current task and am about to catch up on bug mail again09:04
pittiseb128: oh, it seems to be the reason for some people, but not others09:05
pittioh, seems it was confirmed to be an nvidia issue indeed09:07
* pitti dupes09:07
seb128pitti, right, the guy who was adding most of the recent comments said it's a nvidia issue for him tto09:08
seb128it's annoying when a bug is hijacked by n users having different issues09:09
pittiyeah, I asked to file new and separate reports for anyone not using nvidia 9609:10
ArneGoetjemvo: rebuilding langpacks09:16
mvoArneGoetje: thanks09:16
ArneGoetjemvo: the gimp2.0 templates have moved from -gnome to the common langpacks... I have changed that by adding an override.09:17
* mvo nods09:18
seb128I managed to go over 300 bugs closed for lucid ;-)09:22
didrockscongrats seb128 :-)09:23
seb128didrocks, thanks09:23
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didrocksseb128: where did you see that? http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/lucid-fixes-report.html told 29609:24
seb128didrocks, the url you were not listed on yesterday09:25
seb128the team one09:25
seb128I think the one you just looked at is one run behind09:25
* didrocks doesn't like the team one. I don't exist :)09:25
seb128didrocks, I'm sure I can fix some other 5 by next week to be over 300 on the other one anyway ;-)09:26
didrocksseb128: heh :-)09:26
didrockswell, 117 on the non updated one. Not so bad for a beginner :p09:27
seb128though I would not call you beginner09:27
didrockswell, let's say time parted and full time now :)09:27
Nginteresting, my rhythmbox process has a virt size of 1.1GB09:45
Ngit's just under 2 days old09:45
Ngwhat the what, why does it have libflashplayer.so mapped into its process?!09:47
seb128Ng, the music store09:48
Ngoh right09:48
seb128Ng, it's using webkit which loads everything a browser would load I think09:48
Ngfair point09:48
Ngstill, 1.1GB virt seems somewhat unreasonable09:48
seb128those bugs are not nice to debug though09:49
seb128out of letting rhythmbox running under valgrind for 2 days09:49
seb128which I'm not even sure would work09:49
seb128valgrind is often too slow to get some usable09:49
Ngpmap doesn't show anything particularly outrageous, just lots of little anon allocations09:51
mvoit should probably disable the plugins unless it really needs them09:55
mvothe webkitview support that easily09:55
seb128I guess software-center does it?09:57
mvoI can do a patch for u1 if rodrigo_ wants it09:57
* mvo does one anywa09:58
rodrigo_mvo, a patch for doing what?09:58
seb128rodrigo_, hey09:59
seb128rodrigo_, do you know if the music store needs flash in webkit?09:59
rodrigo_Ng, ugh, 1.1GB is a lot09:59
mvorodrigo_: disaable plugins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414827/ should really be all that is needed09:59
rodrigo_seb128, no, it doesn't, but as you say, it loads all the plugins, not sure how to make it not load them09:59
mvo(unless you need them for some reason)10:00
seb128rodrigo_, that's where mvo kicks in10:00
rodrigo_mvo, ah, cool!10:00
rodrigo_mvo, submit a branch and I'll approve/merge it10:00
Ngrodrigo_: I was about to say "I only have 3 albums in rb and only listened to one album of previews from U1MS since I started it", but then I remembered my iPhone which has ~30GB of music on it, so I'm guessing it's the plugin(s) for that that's to blame ;)10:00
rodrigo_mvo, although, I guess we want the patch in the package, rather than waiting for a new release, right?10:01
seb128Ng, is your ipod connected? does the virt goes down if you disconnect it?10:01
rodrigo_mvo, well, submit the branch anyway, and will talk with kenvandine so that he submits the patch10:01
mvorodrigo_: I don't know the way your team works, the packages does not seem to have a Vcs-Bzr header so I need to go to the web to look where to find the branch10:01
rodrigo_Ng, hmm, as seb128 says, try disconnecting the ipod?10:02
seb128mvo, it's using the canonical location10:02
mvorodrigo_: ok, I can also just upload, whatever you prefer10:02
mvoseb128: aha, cool10:02
Ngseb128: I quit RB so my machine would stop swapping so much I couldn't type, but I'll start it up again and try an experiment10:02
* mvo will push a branch10:02
rodrigo_mvo, lp:libubuntuone is the trunk10:02
seb128Ng, thanks10:02
mvothanks rodrigo_10:02
rodrigo_mvo, ok, as you prefer, but send me the patch so that I merge it into trunk10:02
mvosure thing10:02
Ngok, fresh rhythmbox starts with a 700MB virt, 70MB res - I assume that's because this is my first run with the new RB that shows U1MS by default10:03
seb128Ng, what is u1ms?10:03
mvodelta of 1 micro second?10:04
mvojust kidding10:04
Ngseb128: the music store10:04
mvonot enough sleep is not good for my humor10:04
seb128Ng, it uses 226M and 56M there10:04
seb128mvo, lol10:04
Ngseb128: 32bit vs 64bit maybe?10:04
Ng(I'm running 64bit)10:04
seb12832 there10:04
seb128and I've 1500 songs in my library10:04
mvoseb128: canonical location as in lp:ubuntu/lucid/libubuntuone ?10:10
seb128mvo, lp:ubuntu/libubuntuone10:11
seb128mvo, it's supposed to have the serie listed?10:11
Nghmm, even after several attach/remove ipod events it's holding around 740MB virt 90MB res10:13
mvoseb128: I guess not, I'm just not using it that often yet, mostly using the old ~ubuntu-core-dev native branches10:13
seb128mvo, ok10:13
rodrigo_what if you disable the U1ms plugin and start again? how much memory it uses when you first startup?10:14
Ngrodrigo_: 500MB virt, 43MB res10:15
rodrigo_Ng, and if you enable it and start again?10:16
rodrigo_ah, 700mb, 70, right?10:16
Ngrodrigo_: roughly, just did that and it's 644/64 this time10:17
rodrigo_the music store plugin does not use much memory, just what the webkit widget does, so I guess most of that is the plugins10:17
seb128would be interesting to know how much difference mvo's patch makes there10:18
mvoI have 169M 44640 26716 with the patch10:20
mvolets try without10:20
milanbvseb128: are you aware of bug 551809?10:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551809 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55180910:21
milanbvlooks quite severe to me, with 50+ people experiencing it10:21
milanbvno response from upstream10:21
mvoand 161M 45100 26716 without, that does not make much sense10:22
* mvo looks into the details10:22
seb128milanbv, hey, not aware of it no, but a valgrind log would be useful10:23
seb128seems most users don't notice any issue out the crash icon displayed10:24
seb128so it's not really a concern for lucid10:24
seb128milanbv, the indicator-applet should be added on karmic upgrade btw10:26
seb128to reply to your bug comment10:26
milanbvseb128: I notice the crash because nautilus doesn't get the theme right after that10:26
mvoI pushed the branch, I have a call now, and can look into it again afterwards only (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/libubuntuone/webkit-no-plugins)10:26
milanbvnot sure that happens to other users, seems a bug in nautilus10:26
seb128we did add it back for any upgrade to lucid because users removed the indicator-message one without knowing it would contain other icons10:27
milanbvbut a valgrind log... I don't know how to reproduce the crash!10:27
seb128that's usually what you get when g-s-d stops running10:27
seb128theme got unset10:27
seb128and starting g-s-d back has some weird effects10:27
milanbvyeah, but while most apps get it right, nautilus doesn't10:27
seb128ie some softwares don't update the theme10:27
milanbvwell that's another issue10:27
seb128right, that's a known one10:28
milanbvfor the indicator, I'm going to close the bug again then10:28
seb128nautilus is not the only one to not get the theme right10:28
milanbvwe'll see10:28
milanbvso I should try to run it in valgrind an wait...10:28
seb128I guess those people didn't get indicator-sound installed for some reason10:28
seb128or upgraded before we had the code to add the applet to the config10:28
seb128seems it's happening on upgrade though10:28
milanbvdoesn't seem, but let's wait and see if more people come ;-)10:29
seb128so I would say maybe on icon theme cache update10:29
seb128try running gtk-icon-cache-update10:29
seb128and see if g-s-d gets valgrind errors10:29
seb128or try changing the themes10:29
seb128chrisccoulson: hey10:29
seb128how are you?10:29
chrisccoulsonhey seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?10:30
seb128I'm good thanks ;-)10:30
pittihey chrisccoulson, good morning!10:34
pittichrisccoulson: sorry for my sudden disappearance last night; I wasn't sure when/whether my parents would come for the little congratulation/drinking session, and just when you asked they rang :)10:34
chrisccoulsonhey pitti, how are you?10:34
pittichrisccoulson: I'm fine doing the removals etc. now10:34
didrocksgood morning chrisccoulson :)10:34
pittichrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! how about you?10:34
chrisccoulsonpitti - i'm good thanks. did i tell you which packages need removing?10:35
pittichrisccoulson: I don't think so10:35
chrisccoulsonpitti - stumbleupon (license issues) and livehttpheaders (that needs updating and it was always borderline whether it should stay anyway)10:36
chrisccoulsonpitti - also, there may be some other removals for packages that haven't been ported from xul191 yet, as we still intend to only ship 1 xulrunner10:37
pittichrisccoulson: in dubio pro abitus :)10:37
bdrungwhere is the wiki page that explains how a gui program can add apport support?10:38
chrisccoulsonpitti - the other likely removal is sugar. it currently has a depends on pyxpcom which used to be provided by xul191, but is now distributed separately by mozilla10:40
chrisccoulsonand we haven't packaged that yet, and it's never had a proper release either10:41
pittichrisccoulson: I propose that you open a bug (or find an existing one) about that, subscribe ubuntu-archive and me, and just keep adding tasks for packages to be removed10:42
chrisccoulsonheh, good job i'm not flying today!10:42
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, i can do that10:42
pittichrisccoulson: then we have both a papertrail and also a more solid/distributed way of tracking this10:42
pittiseb128: would you happen to know why we suddenly have the empathy icon in the task bar again, in addition to the msg indicator?10:43
pittithis is a fairly recent regression10:43
seb128pitti, taskbar?10:43
seb128I didn't notice that no10:43
chrisccoulsonpitti - you're not autostarting empathy are you?10:49
pittiit happens on the mini and on my desktop now10:50
pittihm, fun; restarting empathy again, and it's gone10:50
pittimaybe it was fixed with yesterday's updates, or it's another weird race10:50
rodrigo_mvo, I'll propose your branch for merging, will be testing it later, since the music store web is down now10:57
mvoseb128: would you be interessted to test my debs for the disable plugins? I can upload them to people then11:01
mvorodrigo_: I prepared a upload, but I would like some confirmation first that it actually helps :)11:01
seb128mvo, sure, i38611:01
rodrigo_mvo, wait then, the music store is down right now, so can't fully confirm it works11:02
rodrigo_mvo, I'd say it's ok, but let's make sure better :)11:02
seb128rodrigo_, the store is working there11:02
seb128rodrigo_, at least I can browse it11:02
rodrigo_seb128, hmm11:02
rodrigo_I get a 503 error11:02
seb128but the store might be not the same since we are not the same country11:03
rodrigo_seb128, you get the EU store, as I do11:03
seb128k, works for me...11:03
rodrigo_unless it thinks you're in .de :)11:04
seb128where do you think I am? ;-)11:04
rodrigo_Germany and UK have their own stores, the rest of the EU gets the EU store11:04
seb128ask mvo :p11:04
rodrigo_seb128, oh, where are you?11:04
mvoseb128 is definetely german!11:04
seb128I would say France but apparently germans think it's close enough from Germany that it can be considered half German11:05
mvoalso he *claims* to live in .fr11:05
rodrigo_seb128, right, so probably geoip also thinks you're german :D11:05
seb128see ;-)11:05
* seb128 hugs mvo11:05
* mvo hugs seb12811:05
* mvo is curious for the result11:05
rodrigo_seb128, what does it say on the home page of the store? something like 'EU store' ?11:06
seb128hey robert_ancell11:06
seb128robert_ancell, "EU Store Top Picks"11:07
seb128rodrigo_, ^11:07
seb128so yes it's the EU store11:07
robert_ancellseb128, EU store?11:08
rodrigo_seb128, ok, you are still French then :)11:09
seb128robert_ancell, sorry it was not for you, european music store in rhythmbox11:09
didrocksnot really, I get the 504 :)11:10
seb128$ pmap $(pidof rhythmbox) | grep flash11:12
seb128af86c000   9808K r-x--  /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so11:12
seb128b0200000    204K rw---  /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so11:12
seb128$ pmap $(pidof rhythmbox) | grep flash11:12
mvogood, so that works11:12
seb128and I got from 210m to 180m11:12
seb128that's the virt though11:12
seb128the res didn't change much on start11:12
seb128that will also fixes quite some crashers11:13
seb128we had random crashers due to flash reported11:13
mvoso worth a upload? I11:13
seb128mvo, you are made of awesome ;-)11:13
rodrigo_seb128, can you go to some album page and confirm it works ok?11:13
mvomade of tiredness today :) sometimes that is the best state of mind11:13
mvothanks for testing seb128 (and for the nice words :)11:14
seb128rodrigo_, I've browsed album and listened to some previews11:14
rodrigo_that's the page where there is a flash thing embedded, that we replace as soon as it's loaded11:14
rodrigo_seb128, and no problems?11:14
seb128rodrigo_, not that I can see11:14
rodrigo_ok, then worth an upload yes11:14
seb128rodrigo_, we can revert the change easily if we get a bug about it11:14
rodrigo_yeah, right11:14
seb128rodrigo_, there is no better testing than shipping to users ;-)11:14
mvothat is *so* true11:15
seb128rodrigo_, "we replace as soon as it's loaded" is visible btw11:15
rodrigo_seb128, :)11:15
seb128you can see a "you should upgrade your flash version" label while loading sometime11:15
seb128in the next bellow the cover11:15
rodrigo_seb128, yeah, we need to wait for the page to be loaded to run the js to replace it11:16
rodrigo_there is a better way, which is to detect when the HTML is loaded and do it then instead of waiting for all images to be loaded11:16
seb128rodrigo_, great work btw in case I didn't say it yet ;-)11:16
rodrigo_just not enough time this cycle11:16
rodrigo_seb128, thanks :)11:16
rodrigo_seb128, if you file a bug about it, I'll take care of it as soon as I have some spare time11:17
rodrigo_ok, need to get out for some shopping, bbiab11:17
seb128rodrigo_, ok, will do, have fun, see you later!11:17
* ogra hugs whoever brought the proper calculator back into his desktop11:18
seb128rodrigo_, do you guys have access to private bugs?11:19
seb128there is a crasher which has some duplicates which seems to happen when buying an album but I'm not sure something saw it11:19
seb128rodrigo_, ok, it's bug #54518411:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545184 in libubuntuone "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in soup_message_set_first_party()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54518411:21
seb128which has been fixed already in lucid ;-)11:21
seb128rodrigo_, I've subscribed you to bug #561302, not sure who should be subscribed to crashers11:24
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/561302)11:24
Laneyis the cd size alright atm?11:40
LaneyI just noticed that f-spot has an extraneous dep on nunit11:40
tseliotseb128: hi11:46
seb128tseliot, hey11:46
seb128Laney, cd space wins are always welcome since we can use those to add translations11:46
LaneyCan you tell how much that dep drags in?11:47
seb128let me look11:51
seb128Laney, it doesn't trigger any extra depends and is 117k deb, 388k installed11:58
seb128Laney, wouldn't really make a difference11:58
Laneyoh, ok then11:58
Laneyget it at the next merge or whatever11:58
rodrigo_seb128, #561302 is a dup of #56072312:01
rodrigo_seb128, marking it12:01
seb128rodrigo_, thanks12:02
rodrigo_seb128, ah, and for all libu1 bugs or rhythmbox plugin bugs, assing them to me or aquarius (sil in launchpad)12:03
seb128rodrigo_, note that the retraced stacktrace is better on the new one12:03
seb128rodrigo_, ok12:04
rodrigo_seb128, yeah, right12:04
rodrigo_seb128, btw, the other day I talked with statik about getting per package upload rights, what's the process to apply for that?12:09
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
seb128rodrigo_, not sure but ask dholbach he probably has a the url to the wiki documentation for it12:13
mvoseb128: hm, I get a (ugly) dialog that my diskspace is low on lucid, just 2G left on /home12:39
seb128mvo, is the issue the look of the dialog or that 2G is not low?12:39
seb128mvo, what disk capacity to do have? I think it warns at 5% or something12:40
mvowell, both12:40
mvonot critical12:41
mvojust noticed it12:41
seb128mvo, what is the disk capacity?12:41
seb128I would like to figure if the warning was "normal"12:42
seb128mvo, g-s-d is set to display the warning if (free space < 2G && free_space < 5% disk space)12:43
seb128I think the dialog not being nice is known12:43
chrisccoulsonwhats wrong with the dialog? is it just the text wrapping?12:44
milanbvchrisccoulson: we'd need a ver clever algorithm to be less annoying12:46
mvoseb128: 80G, 2G left12:47
milanbve.g. here my / is always around 600MB free12:47
mvo*shurg* not a big deal12:47
seb128mvo, ok, so it matches the criterious12:47
milanbvI'm afraid many people will check the box not to show it again12:48
chrisccoulsonmilanbv, i was asked to add the checkbox so people didn't have to see it again ;)12:49
milanbvsure, but if the dialog appears twice and people think it's wrong, they will check the box12:50
milanbvwe'd need to be sure it makes sense to show it12:50
seb128it does12:50
milanbvnot sure how, but here I'm fine until I reach ~100MB free12:50
seb128we could lower the 2G value though12:50
chrisccoulsonthe dialog shouldn't appear twice unless the space decreases even further though12:50
milanbvI think you should divide the limit by 2 once the dialog has been dismissed12:51
milanbvand to that until e.g. 200MB left12:51
chrisccoulsonmilanbv - the limit does decrease once you dismiss the dialog12:51
milanbvmy use case is: I'm around 600MB12:52
chrisccoulsonwell, it doesn't persist across reboots though, but i don't think it should12:52
milanbvevery time I run an upgrade, the dialog appears, sometimes twice12:52
milanbvnot a big deal, but I'm sure all users would have check the box, making the dialog useless12:52
milanbvit should be persistent across reboots12:53
milanbvand only get to the original setting if I free more than 2GB12:54
milanbv(and the real sign that the algorithm is right is when we'll be able to remove the checkbox ;-))12:55
chrisccoulsonmaybe i'll do some hacking on that again when i've finished all my lucid tasks ;)12:56
milanbvthat would be great!12:56
milanbvthe goal IMHO is to remove the checkbox - that forces a good behavior for eerybody12:56
=== gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak
=== issyl0_ is now known as issyl0
=== ogra_ is now known as ogra
loolArneGoetje: heya13:46
chrisccoulsongjs is a perfect example of why not to use spidermonkey13:46
loolArneGoetje: got: Préparation du remplacement de ttf-indic-fonts-core 1:0.5.4ubuntu2 (en utilisant .../ttf-indic-fonts-core_1%3a0.5.8ubuntu1_all.deb) ...13:46
lool/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 19: rm_conffile: not found13:47
loolOk, already reported and confir,ed13:47
seb128lool, hey14:00
loolseb128: hey!14:07
seb128lool, how are you? we don't see you much around recently14:07
loolseb128: I'm good; how are you yourself?14:10
seb128lool, I'm good too thanks, a bit tired and happy that lucid shapes nicely it has been a busy cycle ;-)14:10
seb128lool, looking forward some slacking and seeing everybody at UDS14:10
seb128"slacking", ie normal workload and not running to get things in shape for the lts14:11
pittichrisccoulson: sorry, lost track about those removals again -- is there a bug for it now?14:18
ArneGoetjelool: ?14:18
chrisccoulsonpitti - not just yet, i'll work on that shortly when i figure out exactly what needs removing. i'm fighting gjs at the moment though14:19
pittichrisccoulson: ok, no hurry; removals can happen until very late in the game14:19
loolArneGoetje: LP #56380414:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 563804 in ttf-indic-fonts "package ttf-indic-fonts-core 1:0.5.4ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 127" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56380414:21
=== MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow
bcurtiswxI'm going to assume my GDM is broken like a lot of other peoples14:31
seb128but it's not14:33
* bcurtiswx gets depressed14:33
loolArneGoetje: slangasek uploaded the proposed debdiff14:34
ArneGoetjelool: heh... I was just fixing it myself14:34
bcurtiswxseb128: i go to system-->preferences-->appearance and click "ambiance" it still has a different look :(14:36
ArneGoetjelool: I don't see any proposed debdiff on that bug report...14:36
seb128bcurtiswx, why should the login screen user your current user config?14:37
bcurtiswxseb128: the login screen doesn't even show the current purple background with the ubuntu logo to login :-\14:37
bcurtiswxseb128: it broke after the recent lucid updates to gdm14:38
loolArneGoetje: sorry picked the wrong bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-indic-fonts/+bug/56377114:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 563771 in ttf-indic-fonts "package ttf-indic-fonts-core 1:0.5.4ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 127" [High,Fix released]14:38
ArneGoetjelool: that's a duplicate then14:38
loolArneGoetje: Yes, marked as such14:38
seb128bcurtiswx, what does it show?14:39
bcurtiswxis there a way to screenshot at the login window?14:39
seb128use a camera14:40
seb128or describe what it looks like14:40
seb128when did that start?14:40
bcurtiswxi knew my cell phone would come in handy one of these days.. lol14:40
ArneGoetjelool: ok, thanks14:40
bcurtiswxseb128: it just started with updates i did this morning.. last update was around 10PM EST last night14:40
didrocksI would be surprized that adding a parameter to the dbus call for the guest session will break that…14:43
bcurtiswxseb128: email seb128@ubuntu.com ?14:43
seb128bcurtiswx, yes14:44
bcurtiswxseb128: sent14:47
bcurtiswxand apparently my mouse settings are ignored (it turned my click to touch on the touchpad on) where i have it off14:50
mdzare the hundreds of empathy crashes in g_closure_invoke() potentially different bugs?14:51
mdzI just had a crash, and I can't tell if it's a duplicate or not14:52
seb128mdz, you scares me, hundred?14:53
seb128I'm looking14:53
* seb128 hates that we don't get emails about crash bugs14:54
mdzseb128: I'm just looking at the "Do any of the following bugs describe the bug you're trying to report?" list when trying to report the crash in LP14:55
mdzmost of them are marked Fix Released14:55
mdzbut they all look alike14:55
mdzmaybe they are even duplicates; there's no way to tell from this view14:55
seb128mdz, I would recommend to send crashes anyway, retracers work quite well14:56
seb128mdz, and one function is not enough to say if yours is a duplicate14:56
mdzseb128: OK14:56
mdzit just seems like many empathy crashes have this same pattern14:56
seb128mdz, right, I say 19 open bugs matching the title14:57
seb128I'm looking through those right now14:57
seb128mdz, thanks for raising the issue15:02
mdzseb128: it is not a big deal, just an average crash. I just was curious if there was something funny about empathy which made crashes look the same15:03
seb128mdz, no that I know of no15:04
bcurtiswxseb128: any idea as to my images sent to your e-mail?15:06
seb128bcurtiswx, your desktop theme seems wrong too, I'm wondering if gnome-settings-daemon is crashing for you15:07
seb128bcurtiswx, is gnome-settings-daemon running?15:08
bcurtiswxseb128: ps -e | grep gnome has a gnome-settings-15:09
bcurtiswxis that going to be the daemon?15:09
seb128bcurtiswx, ok, and no crash in /var/crash?15:09
seb128bcurtiswx, yes15:09
mdzseb128: do you ever have problems with e-d-s running out of memory and invoking the OOM killer?15:09
bcurtiswxseb128: nope15:09
seb128mdz, no15:10
mdzseb128: it's been happening to me often lately15:10
seb128mdz, I read your comment on #ubuntu-devel earlier but we kept the e-d-s and evo 2.28 versions for karmic this cycle so they didn't change yet15:11
seb128yet -> a lot15:11
mdzmdz       2082  0.0 43.8 1338128 647688 ?      Sl   Apr09   1:22 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_DataServer_CalFactory:1.2 --oaf-ior-fd=3615:11
seb128mdz, not sure why that's happening or if that could be due to some google or online calendar15:11
mdzseb128: my calendar is not THAT full ;-)15:11
seb128it's using 93m 5m there15:12
seb128mdz, right, I'm just wondering if some configured calendar triggers a leak15:12
mdzseb128: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462664 suggests that it's the caldav backend15:13
ubottuDebian bug 462664 in evolution-data-server "evolution-data-server: multiple massive memory leaks in the caldav backend" [Important,Open]15:13
bcurtiswxseb128: is there a debugging option for g-s-d?15:14
seb128mdz, not sure how much you rely on having your calendar activated in evo but you could try to disable it for a day and see if it's better? just to confirm that's due to it15:15
seb128bcurtiswx, you can look for errors in .xsession-errors or run it using --debug15:15
seb128bcurtiswx, --no-daemon --debug15:15
mdzseb128: I will do that when I go in to the office next (it's my office computer)15:17
mdzseb128: FWIW bug 305428 sounds very similar, though you've marked that one fixed recently15:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 305428 in evolution-data-server "evolution-data-server eats memory like crazy" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30542815:17
mdzseb128: do you want me to a) reopen that one, b) open a new one, c) wait until I can try changing the settings?15:18
seb128mdz, looking15:19
bcurtiswxseb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414984/   snippet from the debug.. should all those be inactive?15:20
seb128mdz, if you could open a new one giving the url of the closed lp one and of the bts one and confirm later that without the calendar you don't get the issue that would be nice15:21
mdzseb128: will do15:21
seb128mdz, thanks15:21
bcurtiswxseb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414986/  is the .xsession-errors15:21
seb128bcurtiswx, no gnome-settings-daemon error there15:22
seb128bcurtiswx, do you have a .gconf dir in /var/lib/gdm?15:22
bcurtiswxshould I be able to cd to /var/lib/gdm without a permission issue?15:23
seb128you can sudo ls /var/lib/gdm/.gconf15:23
bcurtiswxseb128: yes i know, j/w if that was the problem15:24
seb128the dir is limited in access to the gdm user15:25
bcurtiswxi get apps as my reply to the ls15:25
mdzseb128: filed bug 56387915:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 563879 in evolution-data-server "evolution-data-server consumes massive amounts of memory, invokes OOM killer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56387915:25
* bcurtiswx shrugs15:28
seb128mdz, thanks15:28
seb128bcurtiswx, so it seems you have no theme set there, I don't know about the issue out of having g-s-d crashing for some reason15:28
bcurtiswxseb128: i try setting one in gnome-appearance-properties but it fails15:29
mdzseb128: my empathy bug (retraced) is bug 56385115:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 563851 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_dispatcher_chat_with_contact()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56385115:29
mdzthe retracer shows the crash is actually in empathy_dispatcher_chat_with_contact, but doesn't update the title15:29
mdzoh, it did update the title (had to reload)15:29
mdzso maybe the many g_closure_invoke bugs are failed retraces or something15:30
seb128mdz, no, I did that ;-)15:30
mdzseb128: ah :-)15:30
pittiI'm off for about an hour for taking a break and some errands15:30
seb128mdz, yes, I'm cleaning those, half of the list was the same bug which is fixed but duplicate matching didn't work because the glib debug symbols are lacking so the retracer can't say if they are the exact same stacktraces or not15:31
mdzit would be nice if the retracer could do that15:31
seb128worth opening a bug on apport if there is not already one15:31
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, what do you mean by "it fails" when setting the theme? what happens?15:31
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson: I click on a theme (ambiance for example), and it doesn't change anything15:32
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson: it is on "custom" right now15:32
bcurtiswxbut won't change15:32
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, is the xsettings plugin even loaded in g-s-d?15:32
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414984/15:33
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, it's not loading any plugins at all15:34
chrisccoulsonare they disabled in /apps/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins in gconf?15:34
bcurtiswxwhere is /apps?15:35
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, in gconf15:35
bcurtiswxah, that15:35
chrisccoulsongconftool-2 -R /apps/gnome_settings_daemon15:36
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414992/15:36
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, it looks like your install is broken ;)15:37
seb128bcurtiswx, dpkg -l gnome-settings-daemon?15:37
chrisccoulsonthe schema's aren't registered15:37
seb128bcurtiswx, seems your upgrade broke on something15:39
seb128it's not configured15:39
seb128sudo apt-get -f install15:39
bcurtiswxwhere are the upgrade logs held?15:39
seb128mvo, ^15:39
seb128bcurtiswx, how do you upgrade?15:39
bcurtiswxi do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and check if packages are removed, if not i continue the upgrade15:40
seb128and you are sure the most recent install finished clearly?15:41
seb128try to sudo apt-get -f install15:41
bcurtiswxseb128: thats why i asked where the logs are15:41
seb128the logs will not go away anyway15:41
seb128I don't think apt-get has logs though15:41
seb128update-manager has15:41
bcurtiswxi think the last upgrade failed on a font upgrade. but nothing else15:42
chrisccoulsonalso /var/log/dpkg.log15:42
bcurtiswxthe -f is install gnome-applets15:42
seb128when it hits an error it stops15:42
seb128so it means you have a stack of packages which didn't get configured15:42
chrisccoulsonand /var/log/apt15:42
bcurtiswxthat would be it then15:42
chrisccoulsonthere should be something in there whicheever way you upgraded15:43
seb128the font issue was probably the one mentioned on the channel before which got a fix uploaded today15:43
bcurtiswxthat should fix it... but why does it stop when one package fails?  is it a cause of the dist-upgrade?15:43
seb128anyway I'm out for some errands too15:43
seb128see you later15:43
bcurtiswxseb128: thx15:43
mvoseb128: we have good logs now: /var/log/apt/history.log15:44
mvo^--- bcurtiswx15:44
mvoif you could paste that file somewhere (pastebin or something)15:44
seb128mvo, oh, good to know ;-)15:44
mvoplus the term log with all the glorious dpkg details ;)15:45
mvobut the history.log is nicer because it shows a overview of what happend in what operation15:45
bcurtiswxmvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/414997/15:45
bcurtiswxit did stop installing.. and the install -f fixed it... but why did it stop at that fail?15:46
mvoError: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)15:46
mvoI'm sure its the font bug15:46
bcurtiswxit is, but why would it stop setting up the successful packages because of that?15:46
mvowell, the theory behind that is that the user might want to investigate15:48
mvoI admit its lame for most people, useful on a devel distro15:48
mvofor release upgrades we have a "keep going" mode15:48
xdatapgood evening15:49
bcurtiswxmvo: hmm, interesting.  OK.  would the keep-going mode stop the investigation?15:49
bcurtiswxor hinder it at all?15:49
mvoit might hinder it, but for 99% of the users its a win15:49
bcurtiswxmvo: OK, thx15:50
rickspencer3149 megs coming in my dist-upgrade this morning!15:53
rickspencer3should be "interesting"15:54
kenvandinehey rickspencer315:54
rickspencer3hi kenvandine15:55
rickspencer3new desktopcouch and gwibber15:55
kenvandineyup :)15:55
kenvandineand apparently there will be another desktopcouch coming... bug 563901 just got assigned to me15:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 563901 in desktopcouch "replication exclusion doesn't work with MergableList value" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56390115:56
rickspencer3statik mentioned this15:56
kenvandinei know they were trying to figure out yesterday if that exclusion was working or not15:56
kenvandineit was unclear15:56
kenvandinei guess they nailed it down15:56
rickspencer3always a problem when there are crashers15:57
rickspencer3it blocks testing other things and muddies the water15:57
* kenvandine gets a coffee refill, brb15:57
didrocksrickspencer3: what do you think about bug #556686? can be bad, shouldn't be difficult to fix, but I guess it's too late in a UI freeze perspective for documentation15:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 556686 in window-picker-applet "[Lucid Beta2 Netbook Edition] close button inconsistency while maximized" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55668615:58
* rickspencer3 looks15:58
rickspencer3didrocks, no f'ing way15:59
milanbvany idea why Apport doesn't start when OpenOffice crashes? is there a way to fix this?15:59
rickspencer3we need to be focused on crashers, etc...15:59
milanbv(getting it crashing when saving .doc and .rtf files!)16:00
rickspencer3data loss, things not working16:00
rickspencer3and if you don't have those to work on, then we shouldn't be making changes that make it harder for people who do16:00
didrocksrickspencer3: right, I agree (see my last comment) there were people pinging me and telling me that I shouldn't be the only person taking the decision…16:00
rickspencer3I'll comment16:00
rickspencer3but without the "f*ing"16:01
rickspencer3didrocks, who said you shouldn't decide?16:01
didrocksrickspencer3: random people from QA pinging me on IRC, but nobody in the dev team or canonical :)16:02
rickspencer3didrocks, I have no reason to second guess you16:03
rickspencer3reboot time16:05
djsiegel1hey robbiew16:06
robbiewdjsiegel1: ^16:07
djsiegel1So, I saw some notes on sound stuff and Rhythmbox vs Banshee questions.16:07
djsiegel1And was wondering if the design team could be included in the conversation about choosing applications for the distro?16:08
djsiegel1If it would be useful for us to do analysis and user testing to help these discussions?16:08
djsiegel1robbiew: for example, mpt did an empathy vs pidgin usability evaluation way back when16:10
robbiewdjsiegel1: sure...I think that makes sense.  rickspencer3 is the one to talk to16:10
djsiegel1oh, ok16:10
robbiewheh... I use both, b/c IRC in empathy is crap...and I hate xchat :P16:11
djsiegel1same here16:11
robbiewhopefully rickspencer3 survives his reboot16:12
didrocksor not… :)16:13
rickspencer3seb128, hi16:15
rickspencer3I just did dist-upgrade -> reboot16:15
rickspencer3and looks like gsd didn't run16:15
rickspencer3should I just try running it, or is there debug info that would help?16:15
didrocksrickspencer3: did your last dist-upgrade work?16:16
rickspencer3didrocks, seemed to16:16
rickspencer3I guess I could dpkg reconfigure or whatever16:16
didrocksdpkg -l gnome-settings-daemon16:16
rickspencer3rick@rick-desktop:~$ dpkg -l gnome-settings-daemon16:17
rickspencer3| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend16:17
rickspencer3|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)16:17
rickspencer3not too confidence building16:17
didrocksI need the last line, do you have "ii" or "iU"16:18
rickspencer3||/ Name                   Version                Description16:18
rickspencer3iU  gnome-settings-daemon  2.30.0-0ubuntu4        daemon handling the GNOME session settings16:18
didrocksok, dist-upgrade didn't finish16:18
didrocksapt-get install -f16:18
rickspencer3yeah, figured16:18
didrocksyou don't have the gconf schema configured. There was an issue some hours ago about ttf-indic-fonts-core breaking the upgrade16:19
rickspencer3a bunch of stuff didn't finish in the dist-upgrade16:20
didrocksyeah, it stops at the first error16:20
didrocksso… all the things you have afterward aren't configured16:20
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3 / didrocks - me and seb128 were just discussing the same issue a few moments before16:25
rickspencer3so my dist-upgrade finished this time16:26
rickspencer3I'll try to reboot again16:26
rickspencer3Nafai hi16:35
seb128rickspencer3, right, same issue we were discussing one hour ago there16:44
rickspencer3well, was easy to work around, is it a transient issue, or will it be ongoing?16:45
seb128rickspencer3, the issue which broke your update? I guess it's the same font one which we discussed before, a fix was uploaded earlier for it16:51
seb128rickspencer3, but dunno if that's this one, you can look to your logs16:51
rickspencer3I already know16:51
rickspencer3thanks to apport ;)16:51
seb128will teach you for not using the graphical tools :p16:52
rickspencer3well, gwibber autostarted, and desktopcouch did not crash16:52
seb128update-manager is nice enough to go through the update without breaking16:53
rickspencer3and neither pegged my CPU16:53
seb128it retries on error16:53
* seb128 hugs mvo16:53
rickspencer3I don't know why I am hooked on apt-get16:53
seb128"(udisks:31224): udisks-WARNING **: Couldn't enumerate devices: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)"16:55
seb128pitti, is that something I should be concerned about it upgrade output?16:55
seb128it -> in16:56
seb128ok, dist-upgrade done, update-manager wants me to reboot, brb16:57
mvowb seb12817:01
pittihey seb12817:01
seb128hey pitti17:01
pittiseb128: udisks warning> hm, not sure what to make of this; the daemon doesn't do any detection through dubs17:01
pittidbus, even17:02
seb128pitti, ok, I just mentioned it in case that would be useful17:02
pittiseb128: where did you see that?17:02
seb128pitti, dist-upgrade output at udisks installation17:03
pittiseb128: it's from the udisks tool17:04
pittiseb128: this is from udisks' postinst, and it tries to restart udisks after upgrade17:05
pittiseb128: would you mind putting the upgrade log somewhere?17:05
pittiseb128: it's not such a biggie, the worst that can happen is that automount is broken after upgrade until the next boot17:05
seb128pitti, ok but there is nothing there out of the warning I think17:05
pittibut oh well, after upgrade a lot of stuff won't work any more17:05
seb128rickspencer3, pitti: tseliot: bug #553200 not sure if we should do something about it17:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 553200 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 "Mouse and keyboard stop working after selecting user" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55320017:06
pittiseb128: right, but I'm interested in the upgrade/configuration order17:06
seb128like release note or something17:06
seb128gdm will freeze when trying to enter a password for people having those cards17:06
seb128or could we make jockey not install this driver for now or something?17:07
pittiwe can easily disable it17:07
pittibut the bug status said that there was a newer version in the pipe which fixed that?17:07
tseliotseb128: yes, a release note would be fine17:07
pittiand it won't help for upgrades, of course17:07
tseliotit's something we can fix with an SRU17:07
seb128pitti, there is one but not sure when nvidia will publish it17:07
pittitseliot: is 96 generall broken in that regard?17:08
pittiif so, then we should perhaps disable 96 and move people to nouveau during upgrade17:08
tseliotI'm not sure17:08
seb128"You ought to be able to work around this problem by disabling Composite or RenderAccel, though I haven't actually tried that."17:08
pittiwe did that in the past, and I think that code will probably still work; mvo?17:08
seb128is stated on the bug from the nvidia guy who looked at the issue17:08
seb128pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/history.log17:10
pittiseb128: oh, is there no apt term.log?17:11
seb128pitti, there is, same location17:12
seb128ups wait17:12
pittiseb128: hm, udisks depends on dbus17:12
seb128pitti, ok it's there now17:12
pittiseb128: was that a dist-upgrade from karmic, or just from lucid a few days ago?17:13
seb128pitti, lucid from a few days ago17:13
seb128I think I upgraded on saturday before17:13
seb128or maybe monday17:13
pittihmm, I don't see a new dbus there, or the udisks error message17:15
pittiseb128: would have been interesting to see whether udisks was running after the upgrade17:15
seb128I copied it from the synaptic dialog17:15
pittiseb128: but oh well, it's at most a cosmetic bug17:16
seb128right let's not spend too much time on that17:16
seb128pitti, going back on this nvidia issue, I think we should do something17:16
seb128otherwise a class of users will have gdm blocking when trying to enter their password as first lucid experience17:16
seb128and I can see those being unhappy17:16
seb128not sure how much nvidia-96 is used though17:17
pittiwell, I'm interested in how widespread that problem is17:20
pittiif it affects the majority of -96 users, we should just transition them to nouveau, I think17:20
seb128pitti, I will comment on the bug asking, maybe the nvidia guy knows17:22
pittimvo: is u-m prepared for transitioning nvidia-96 to nouveau, or would that need new untested code?17:24
mptArneGoetje, do you maintain ibus in Ubuntu? Or do you know who does?17:25
ArneGoetjempt: lidaobing is the maintainer17:29
mptthanks Arne17:29
mvopitti: hm, well. its simple, we can force remove it and then it will automatically uncomment nvidia in the xorg.conf17:31
mvopitti: all it needs is a config file change in u-m17:31
pittimvo: ok, thanks, good to know in case we need to do it17:31
mvopitti: ok17:31
mvopitti: just shout if you need it17:31
* pitti hugs mvo and his great u-m17:31
seb128pitti, I've commented on the bug to ask Aaron if he has a clue if that affects all users or cards running this driver17:32
pittiseb128: cheers17:32
mptmvo, is there some sort of regression test to make sure that update-manager auto-launches after the appropriate time?17:34
mvompt: you can use faketime, wait a sec and I give you the commandline you need17:34
didrockstaking some fresh air, biab17:35
mptmvo, I don't really have time to do it myself. :-) I was just wondering if there's a test set up anywhere.17:36
mpte.g. something the QA team does.17:36
pittirodrigo_: libubuntuone claims to fix bug 544864, but that bug has different package tasks; should they be moved to libubuntuone?17:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544864 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store "rhythmbox assert failure: rhythmbox: /build/buildd/nspluginwrapper-1.2.2/src/npw-rpc.c:1225: do_recv_NPObject: Assertion `npobj != ((void *)0)' failed." [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54486417:36
mvompt: nothing automatic, but I can setup a wiki page17:37
pittitseliot: the x-x-input-synaptics and g-s-d combo together, will that change any behaviour?17:37
pittitseliot: i. e. did the behaviour change just move from a g-s-d patch into synaptics itself?17:38
rodrigo_pitti, yes, sorry17:38
pittirodrigo_: ok, please do so before I accept the package, then it'll be autoclosed, and we won't have a bogus task around17:38
james_wdobey: have a reviewer lined up for these branches?17:39
tseliotpitti: no, it won't change anything. The fact that they have (more or less) the same default values will only make them more consistent with each other and with upstream's default values17:39
pittitseliot: ok, thanks17:39
rodrigo_pitti, done17:40
mptmvo, it's scary we don't have an automated regression test for that. Maybe we should have a UDS session on setting up a regression test suite?17:40
rodrigo_pitti, there's still the nspluginwrapper task, not sure if it should be invalid?17:40
dobeyjames_w: i don't. do you mind?17:40
james_wdobey: sure17:40
pittirodrigo_: I don't know either17:40
rodrigo_pitti, well, the crash is there, so yeah, keep it open for nspluginwrapper17:40
james_wdobey: any chance you could put a few words in the description next time?17:40
james_wdobey: all the proposals arrive the same, even claiming to fix the same two bugs17:40
mvompt: sure, but I doubt most of the reports of "its not auto-launching" are because its just intransparent to the user when it does and when it dosn't. using faketime its easy to test and for me it works very reliable17:41
mptmvo, ok, as long as you've tested it recently. :-)17:41
mvompt: the problem is that we reset the counter a lot, like when the user installs stuff manually via apt-get, when update-manager was launchpad manually etc17:41
dobeyjames_w: the two bugs they both fix affect both projects, which is the reason they are listed in both changelogs17:42
mvoand this is not easy to communicate17:42
mvo"it launches every 7 days"17:42
mvounless …17:42
mvompt: I just tested it, its "NO_FAKE_STAT=1 faketime -f +8d update-notifier"17:42
mvoso pretend to be 8d in the future17:42
james_wdobey: no, I mean bug 493807 and bug 50611417:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 493807 in ubuntuone-client "Please upgrade to 1.1.0 for Lucid Alpha Release" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49380717:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 506114 in ubuntuone-client "Upgrade to 1.1.1" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50611417:42
mvo(or --debug-updates)17:43
mvoto get more info17:43
james_wbut in fact that might just be an LP bug17:43
dobeyjames_w: oh, because they are linked to the branch i guess, and we don't delete/recreate the branch all the time.17:43
* dobey unlinks those bugs17:44
james_wdobey: yeah, it's an LP bug that they keep showing up I think. But it doesn't help me understand the point of the change when I keep seeing those two and realising that they are nothing to do with this change17:44
dobeyjames_w: sorry. i've unlinked them17:45
james_wno problem17:45
james_wdobey: and these are purely bug fixes?17:45
dobeyjames_w: thanks!17:52
Nafaimorning all17:52
didrocks(back for half an hour before dinner)17:58
didrocksgood morning Nafai17:58
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asacPreparing to replace ttf-indic-fonts-core 1:0.5.4ubuntu2 (using .../ttf-indic-fonts-core_1%3a0.5.8ubuntu1_all.deb) ...18:04
asac/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 19: rm_conffile: not found18:04
asacdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ttf-indic-fonts-core_1%3a0.5.8ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 12718:04
asacArneGoetje: ^^18:04
asacguess thats known/fixed?18:04
mvoasac: known18:07
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seb128chrisccoulson: is somebody working on sending an email about the thunderbird issue?18:22
pittiasac: yes, in ubuntu218:22
pittichrisccoulson: please send to ubuntu-devel-announce@, and ping me when you sent it, then I'll moderate it18:23
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i think micahg is doing that. one second18:23
pittior that18:23
om26erkenvandine, Hi! the latest upload of gwibber has a changelog entry for an already fixed bug 15days ago, though the description pretty much matches bugs 552410 which bug did it actually fix?18:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 15 in rosetta "PO file import errors should be more verbose" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 552410 in gwibber "Cannot add new accounts in gwibber" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55241018:50
kenvandineom26er, which bug?18:51
kenvandinebug 535263 ?18:52
om26erchange log says: Fixed account creation for accounts previously deleted bug 53526318:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 535263 in gwibber "Gwibber can show duplicate accounts" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53526318:52
kenvandinewe fixed a bug that was introduced in that change, and still related18:52
asacmvo: how does update manager schedule its daily refresh? is that done always at same time? what time i that by default?18:55
dobeyjames_w: i take it everything's ok and just needs archive approval then?19:06
james_wdobey: got distracted by thunderbird and then dinner19:12
james_wI'll get to in a couple of hours19:12
dobeyjames_w: ok, thanks19:13
mvoasac: at cron.daily time + a 30min random time19:17
mvoasac: if anacron is run its a bit unpredictable with normal cron not so much19:17
asacmvo: so cron.daily is the same on all ubuntu machines by default?19:21
asaci guess so19:21
seb128pitti, rickspencer3: "It should affect any card using the 96.43.* drivers."19:34
seb128the nvidia gdm login hang issue19:35
seb128that's the reply from the nvidia guy19:35
pittiseb128: thanks; so we should transition people to nouveau on upgrade and disable 96 in jockey; mvo, ok?19:35
seb128pitti, if we can't get an nvidia-96 update before lucid yes19:36
seb128pitti, or other option could be to downgrade the nvidia binary to < 43 if those don't have the issue19:36
seb128pitti, though I don't know nvidia drivers enough to judge if that's an option19:36
seb128pitti, ok, I'm away for dinner now, I think I've nothing to add on that anyway19:42
pittiseb128: right, enjoy! I think my part is done as well19:42
chrisccoulsonthanks guys :)19:46
mvopitti: fine with me, I can do that tomorrow morning19:47
pittichrisccoulson: thanks for handling this!19:47
* pitti waves goodnight20:30
rickspencer3'night pitti20:30
didrocksgood night pitti20:47
james_wdobey: I have the client stuck here doing the auth dance after I restarted it20:54
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chrisccoulsonhey james_w20:59
james_whey chrisccoulson20:59
chrisccoulsonso, i've marked myself as willing to mentor this services-admin project now (and spoken to the student). do you know if i need to do anything else by the deadline tomorrow?21:00
chrisccoulson(i've not had much chance to go through all the documentation yet)21:00
chrisccoulsonthanks :)21:00
james_wjust vote it up if you think it should be more highly ranked21:00
chrisccoulsonyeah, i did that too21:00
dobeyjames_w: stuck how?21:04
james_wit wasn't leaving that state21:05
james_wit's now dropped to waiting to connect again21:05
dobeyjames_w: perhaps a server issue? i'm not sure which part you're specifically talking about, but i was connected to the server last night21:08
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james_wdobey: I'm running u1sdtool -s after restarting it with -q; -c; and it won't connect21:10
dobeyjames_w: perhaps just bad timing then? i think there's a server redeployment happening at the moment21:13
james_wok, I'll leave it for today then21:13
dobeyjames_w: i got connected, but it was pretty slow to do so. so i suppose you're hitting similar issue talking to the server itself21:22
james_wyeah, I'm on now21:25
james_wgone again21:32
asacbug 55186021:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551860 in metacity "Crash on login with accessibility enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55186021:40
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* didrocks waves goodnight21:57
kenvandinelater didrocks21:58
Nafaitaking a late lunch/early dinner22:07
chrisccoulsonhey seb128, how are you?22:33
seb128hey chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, what about you? thanks for dealing with the thunderbird breakage22:34
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i'm good too thanks22:34
chrisccoulsonand thank you for helping to deal with it too :)22:34
asacseb128: fyi, i targetted 551860 for release ... was told metacity crashes for all a11y users ... is that a dupe already filed somewhere?22:54
seb128bug #55186022:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551860 in metacity "Crash on login with accessibility enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55186022:56
seb128asac, I don't know of any duplicate but I've been staying away from wms for a while, mvo robert_ancell and didrocks have been doing changes on those in the recent cycles22:57
seb128asac, I was about to go to bed but I will check with them tomorrow, thanks for raising the issue22:57
asacseb128: sure. no problem. just thought you would be good contact to redirect that to the right folks in the team22:59
asacand i saw your nick ;)22:59
seb128asac, would be useful to get a stacktrace if that's a crash though22:59
seb128asac, we will have a look to that before lucid22:59
asacright. but its 100% reproducible according to reporters. so anyone wanting to debug it can do it ;)22:59
asaci will ask paul to get an i386 backtrace22:59
asacdont wait for the armel tracers ;)22:59
seb128hehe, yeah, you coudl wait for a while ;-)23:00
seb128I will try on boot tomorrow23:00
asacseb128: good night!23:00
asacseb128: great.23:00
seb128but time to go to bed now23:00
seb128asac, thanks! you too23:00
seb128see you tomorrow23:00
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TheMusoGood morning.23:32
raofGood morning.23:55

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