[09:07] <ubuntujenkins> hello o/
[10:41] <thorwil> godbyk: hi! is no ligatures in greek correct?
[10:42] <godbyk> thorwil: hey. hmm.. not sure. I can run a test pdf with the latex settings if you want a comparison.
[10:42] <thorwil> godbyk: yes, please
[10:43] <godbyk> 'kay. ancient or modern greek? :)
[10:46] <thorwil> godbyk: el greek ;)
[10:46] <thorwil> correct or not, galician, german, spanish and greek SVGs are in the branch now
[10:48] <godbyk> thorwil: I've emailed you a pdf.
[10:48] <godbyk> thorwil: Where do you think ligatures would/should occur?
[10:48] <godbyk> awesome
[10:48] <thorwil> godbyk: i simply have no idea how greek should look like
[10:49] <godbyk> I'm going to update the title page commands to start using them (so I can get the translators to stop harping at me about them). :)
[10:49] <thorwil> this will be true for all the other non latin stuff, too
[10:49] <godbyk> gotcha.
[10:49] <godbyk> I'm guessing there are still a number of languages I haven't finished setting up.
[10:49] <thorwil> godbyk: you'll do the svg -> pdf in batch?
[10:50] <godbyk> thorwil: Yeah, I'll just have the Makefile do it automatically as needed.
[10:50] <godbyk> assuming inkscape can export that stuff to pdf without screwing it all up!
[10:50] <thorwil> godbyk: just make sure it does convert-text-to-path
[10:51] <godbyk> looks like inkscape has a -T option to do just that. I'll make sure to use it.
[10:54] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can you please delete 03-autoeth@da@1270508477.png
[10:54] <ubuntujenkins> 03-wireless-authentication@en@1271087864.png
[10:54] <ubuntujenkins> 08-display-properties-confirm@es@1270174921.png
[10:55] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: done
[10:55] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[11:01] <thorwil> godbyk: so the greek is all fine, ty
[11:01] <godbyk> cool.
[11:02] <godbyk> I like the easy ones. :)
[11:02] <godbyk> My main concerns are the languages that use non-Latin scripts and the languages that use a ton of accent characters (like Vietnamese).
[12:02] <godbyk> Okay, I'm off to bed.  G'night!
[12:59]  * ubuntujenkins has approved all the screenshots so far except the rtl ones
[13:01] <Daker> hi ubuntujenkins :D
[13:01] <ubuntujenkins> hello Daker, how are you?
[13:02] <Daker> fine :) and you ?
[13:02] <ubuntujenkins> I am good, just approved a lot of screenshots
[13:03] <Daker> check my reply
[13:03] <Daker> to your email
[13:03] <ubuntujenkins> thanks Daker, that was quickly sovled.
[13:04] <Daker> no problem
[13:06] <ubuntujenkins> 642 screenshots so far
[13:07] <Daker> yeah
[13:08] <ubuntujenkins> we need 2500 a long way off
[13:28] <ubuntujenkins> Daker: on the website next to the quickshot "download" button, does it say dvd and not cd?
[13:30] <Daker> this is humpherybc who wrote the text :)
[13:30] <Daker> and it says DVD
[13:31] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks
[13:31] <ubuntujenkins> we can't fit it on a cd as the language packs are too big
[13:31] <Daker> so it's a DVD ?
[13:32] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[13:33] <Daker> kk :D
[13:33] <humphreybc> hi everyong
[13:34] <humphreybc> godbyk, you still up?
[13:34] <Daker> hi
[13:34]  * humphreybc makes an educated guess that he isn't
[13:34] <humphreybc> hey daker
[13:34] <humphreybc> just read your email about the website freeze, good call
[13:34] <Daker> thanx
[13:35] <humphreybc> has godbyk talked to you about taking the website stuff out of the main branch yet?
[13:35] <Daker> yes
[13:35] <humphreybc> cool, so you guys have worked it out?
[13:36] <Daker> actualy iam working in lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[13:36] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: god-byk is asleep
[13:37] <humphreybc> Daker, that's great
[13:37] <Daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-manual-website/website
[13:37]  * humphreybc wonders why pidgin autocomplete gives daker and Daker as options
[13:37] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: ah, thought so
[13:37] <ubuntujenkins> I have approved 642 screenshots i haven't done any rtl screenshots
[13:38] <Daker> brb
[13:38] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: wow, 642 is a decent amount
[13:38] <humphreybc> that's awesome
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> i need to add the common screenshots to the common branch
[13:39] <ubuntujenkins> also need to do the new login one. now they appear to have stopped changing it
[13:39] <humphreybc> hahaha
[13:40] <humphreybc> luke, you're doing a rocking job
[13:45] <ubuntujenkins> thanks :-)
[14:00] <humphreybc> benjamin@ubuntu-manual.org
[14:00] <humphreybc> awh lame
[14:07]  * Daker will passe a final exam in less that 60min
[14:07] <humphreybc> pass a final exam?
[14:07] <humphreybc> you must be confident :P
[14:07] <humphreybc> on that note, i got 100% in my python lab test today and left in 20 minutes :D
[14:07] <Daker> o.O
[14:08] <Daker> bye
[14:08] <Daker> :D
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> we have been canonicaled again, the have changed another icon.
[14:14] <popey> which one?
[14:15] <ubuntujenkins> its not that important just the Indicator Applet one
[14:15] <ubuntujenkins> not to bothered about it
[14:17]  * humphreybc is liking the definition of "to be canonicaled = breaking a freeze"
[14:18] <ubuntujenkins> lol urban dictionary entry
[14:19] <humphreybc> what icon is it exactly Luke?
[14:22] <ubuntujenkins> the Indicator Applet one in the panel, they have also made the wireless icon narrower
[14:22] <humphreybc> the indicator applet doesn't have an icon
[14:22] <humphreybc> it's just an area for lots of other icons
[14:22] <humphreybc> do you mean the messaging menu?
[14:23] <ubuntujenkins> yes, the envelope one
[14:23] <humphreybc> ah
[14:23] <humphreybc> the messaging menu is the correct term for it i think
[14:23] <ubuntujenkins> I guess so.
[14:24] <ubuntujenkins> be back in bit
[15:03]  * humphreybc is finalizing the credits
[15:06] <vish> humphreybc: ubuntujenkins: actually nothing can be broken unless approved by the docs team  ;)
[15:06] <humphreybc> (nice of them to think of us too)
[15:07]  * vish adds a "would" ^in front ;)
[15:07] <vish> rather "would be"
[19:25] <Daker> back
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> evening all
[19:57] <Daker> good night
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> night Daker
[19:57] <Daker> Oh sorry
[19:58] <Daker> wrong window :D
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> :D
[20:06] <Daker> do you where can i find a python snippet code handling 3G connection ?
[20:10] <Daker> ubuntujenkins, do you know ?
[20:11] <ubuntujenkins> Daker: I don't know, may be ask in #ubuntu-app-devel . what are you trying to achive? you always get my interest :D
[20:12] <Daker> oki
[20:12] <Daker> thanks
[20:33] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[20:41] <shrini> team: hope that you remember kanchilug
[20:41] <shrini> :-)
[20:42] <shrini> the translation into tamil is going well
[20:42] <shrini> after the freeze of the text,
[20:42] <shrini> we found it is easy to move on
[20:42] <shrini> writing ad typing is going on
[20:43] <shrini> review team is editing the needed text
[20:43] <Daker> That's cool
[20:43] <shrini> thanks all for your support and this wonderful effort
[20:43] <shrini> Daker: thanks
[20:45] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: thats good to here, i did 22 of the screenshots for you the other day when testing quickshot.
[20:46] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: wow
[20:46] <shrini> thats great
[20:46] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: where are the screeshots?
[20:46] <shrini> can we have a view?
[20:46] <ubuntujenkins> the langauge looks strange to me lots of swirls. I will find the link
[20:47] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: hahahaha
[20:47] <ubuntujenkins> the approved ones so far can be retrived by doing       bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/ta
[20:47] <shrini> great
[20:48] <shrini> getting them
[20:49] <ubuntujenkins> I think they are all ok
[20:52] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: wow
[20:52] <shrini> great shots man
[20:52] <shrini> really great
[20:52] <shrini> i can imagine, how you felt to see the letters of tamil
[20:52] <shrini> hahaha
[20:52] <shrini> but, shots are awesome
[20:52] <shrini> but, we lack in translating those entire text
[20:53] <shrini> but still
[20:53] <shrini> the effort is awesome
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> good, glad you like them there are 25 still to do. I am getting very good at navigating ubuntu by icons and locations of stuff
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[21:57] <godbyk> I'm back/awake/alive now.
[21:58] <godbyk> Reading the backlogs..
[22:00] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> hello let me pastebin some stuff
[22:01] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/415193/ can you replace nl to ar in the first lot. and delete the last three?
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> if the replace is a problem don't worry just remove them i have approved them into bzr
[22:07] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:07] <godbyk> give me a moment
[22:08] <godbyk> This calls for one of my infamous one-liner scripts. :)
[22:11] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: done.
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> thanks godbyk
[22:11] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I copied the names of the files to be renamed into a file called ren.txt.
[22:11] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: then ran this: for i in $(cat ren.txt); do mv $i $(echo "$i" | sed -e 's/@nl@/@ar@/'); done
[22:11]  * godbyk likes bash scripts
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> you are good at those scripts
[22:14] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: only because I've learned they feed into my laziness. ;-)
[22:14] <c7p> hey guys, what happened to the translations .... ?
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: what do you mean?
[22:16] <c7p> well when i gof out from lp before 7 hours, my language's translation was 46% completed, now it's 20%
[22:17] <c7p> and from what i see the same happens to other languages too
[22:18] <c7p> except for some, eg Galician, English
[22:18] <c7p> Spanish
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> that doesn't sound good, are you looking at the same translations, not muddling the different series up?
[22:19] <c7p> yap
[22:19] <c7p> you can check it out yourself https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual
[22:20] <c7p> the greek language had 930 strings (maybe + or - 10) untranslated, now they are 1331
[22:21] <c7p> and the german had around 500 untranslated but it has 1046
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> ouch, this isn't good not sure how or what has caused it.
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> *i am
[22:25] <c7p> from what i see the some translated strings are marked as "need review" although they were marked as "translated" before
[22:25] <c7p> i mean no translations are lost
[22:26] <c7p> but we have to lose one or two days selecting the "need review" strings
[22:27] <c7p> can sth be done to avoid it ?
[22:28] <godbyk> I'm not sure. I just finished reading all my email and didn't see anything about the translations being modified by us.
[22:29] <godbyk> The pot file hasn't been touched in some time.
[22:29] <c7p> i know there is nothing at the mailinglist
[22:29] <godbyk> (Though I will be updating it soon after I finish fixing a couple bugs in the text.)
[22:31] <c7p> will the "need review" strings be lost ?
[22:32] <godbyk> I have no idea how any of it works.
[22:32] <godbyk> The changes we've made will be minimal and we'll try to make sure the translations aren't affected too much.
[22:33] <godbyk> We're going to be looking at other options for translating the manual in the future. If you have any suggestions or comments, feel free to let us know!
[22:33] <godbyk> Is seems that Launchpad/Rosetta doesn't work terribly well for our project.
[22:36] <c7p> the minimal changes will be on strings, right ?
[22:40] <godbyk> Yes
[22:40] <godbyk> We have to change a couple strings.
[22:41] <c7p> could you wait some minutes before you update the database ?
[22:44] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: how would i change the last bit of your one liner for i in $(cat /tmp/baseshots/$language/langfilelist); do mv $i $(echo "$i" | sed -e 's/@nl@/@ar@/'); done to remove everything after the @ in a file name but keep the .png at the end?
[22:45] <c7p> please wait for me before you make any changes, it wont take much time. If these strings will be lost the work of almost a week would be waste of time
[22:46] <godbyk> c7p: no worries. I haven't made the string changes I need to make yet.  And after that, I have to wait for dutchie to update the actual pot file.
[22:46] <c7p> ok thx
[22:47] <godbyk> c7p: Is there a way I can back up all the existing translations (whether waiting for approval or not) before updating the pot file? (so we have a backup in case things go south)
[22:47] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: if dutchie isn't around i have the command somewhere to update it all. not sure where though
[22:47] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: so you want to remove the final @ and the string of digits following it?
[22:48] <godbyk> doh!
[22:48] <godbyk> Ctrl+W = close window in xchat.
[22:48] <godbyk> When I wanted Ctrl+W to mean 'delete the previous word'
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> the first @ and everything following it. I am hoping Red_HamsterX will impliment something in the server for me
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> leaving the .png at the end
[22:49] <c7p> we can download the .po files of all languages before the update and then if a string change then it would be a mmatter of finding it on the .po file and make the proper changes on lp new string
[22:49] <godbyk> oh, okay. so kill the language code and the timestamp (or whatever that is)?
[22:49] <godbyk> yeah, that's easy enough.
[22:49] <godbyk> just run: for i in *.png; do mv $i $(echo "$i" | sed -e 's/@.*\./\./'); done
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> thanks, also when you edit the strings can you please fix my STUPID mistake in Bug 560689 . I feel so bad about that one :/
[22:50] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 560689 in ubuntu-manual "Text about burning an image has some errors" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560689
[22:50] <godbyk> c7p: will the po file contain the unapproved strings, too?
[22:50] <c7p> i don't think so
[22:51] <c7p> we can consult the guys on #launchpad , right?
[22:51] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'll take a look at it.
[22:51] <ubuntujenkins> thanks such a silly mistake.
[22:52] <godbyk> c7p: Have you seen any problems in the past couple weeks with translations disappearing?
[22:52] <godbyk> I think the problem before was that Launchpad discards fuzzy translations.
[22:52] <godbyk> But since the string freeze, that should be much less of a problem (since we're not rewriting everything all the time).
[22:52] <c7p> the problem is that is a word on a string changes even a space the string translation is removed
[22:53] <c7p> if*
[22:53] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: you rule :-) my script now moves them to the right directory and renames them.
[22:54] <godbyk> c7p: yeah, that's what I thought. I asked the launchpad guys about it and they said that they used to have fuzzy translations turned on, but it was worse because it lead to a ton of bad translations.
[22:55] <godbyk> I'm going to explore how we can improve the translation process for our manual as soon as we've got this first one finished.
[22:56] <c7p> sure, we can't avoid this process for this manual but the next manual to come should have a better translation management system
[22:58] <godbyk> c7p: Definitely. I want to have a conversation with our translators to see what worked well, what problems we encountered, and gather suggestions for solutions.
[22:59] <godbyk> c7p: We may end up having to ditch Launchpad for translations, even.  I don't really know yet.
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I was going to send an e-mail out ref translators thoughts sometime. i haven't compiled launchpad to run on my pc untill i have my uni internet back
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> like you said we need to find out what they think
[23:01] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yeah. I think we can improve the process. I just don't know if it's something we can do when generating the pot file or if it's something we have to do with the launchpad/rosetta interface itself.
[23:02] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: if the launchpad API allows us to modify the translations, we may be able to get away with having our own translation frontend that ties into launchpad.
[23:02] <ubuntujenkins> I think its the launchpad interface, the launchpad api isn't that good as far as i know. i wasn't looking at the translations stuff though
[23:03] <ubuntujenkins> nope i was looking at the launchpadlib
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I am off to bed, but is it possible/are you able to/do you have the time to implement this in the current server. I would like to specify a date and time after which to create a zip of files. I have approved all of the screenshots so far and it would be easiyer if i didn't have to work out which ones I don't have to add again and to what langauges. I have a script that renames all of the file
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> s and sorts them into langauge directories. There is a lot of manual checking involved as not all of the window buttons are the same depending on if compiz or metaciy is used. Also I am adding google as the dfault search instead of yahoo. Thanks
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:15] <c7p> night
[23:16] <c7p> everything ok now ...
[23:22] <c7p> thank you, goodnight all