[00:01] <keffie_jayx> guys could anyone help me check why a package fails to build a source pacakge? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/414593/
[00:03] <RoAkSoAx> keffie_jayx, it seems because you are using a T in CAPS instead of lowercase somewhere.
[00:04] <ScottK> keffie_jayx: Probably in debian/changelog
[00:04] <keffie_jayx> mmm ok
[00:05] <keffie_jayx> debian/control
[00:05] <keffie_jayx> source=Turpial
[00:05] <keffie_jayx> I think that is it
[00:07] <micahg> directhex: we need the gluezilla patch in Ubuntu for sure
[00:07] <micahg> directhex: s/gluezilla/GRE
[00:07] <keffie_jayx> yep that was ir
[00:08] <keffie_jayx> thank RoAkSoAx ScottK
[00:08] <directhex> micahg, that's what broke it
[00:08] <micahg> directhex: I got it working
[00:08] <directhex> i did too, by removing the patch entirely
[00:08] <micahg> directhex: yes, but in that case, it uses the first GRE it finds which we don't want it to do
[00:10] <directhex> is it really the end of the world if it uses 1.9.1 when you have 1.9.1 installed?
[00:11] <micahg> directhex: 1.9.3 is the problem
[00:11] <directhex> howso?
[00:11] <micahg> directhex: crashes
[00:11] <directhex> with 2.4.3-2 ?
[00:12] <micahg> directhex: yes
[00:12] <micahg> without the GRE patch
[00:12] <directhex> sigh
[00:12] <directhex> this totally needs rewriting to use webkit instead
[00:13] <directhex> this is with 1.9.3 only installed, no 1.9.2?
[00:15] <micahg> directhex: no, with both 1.9.3 and 1.9.2
[00:16] <directhex> are there 1.9.3 packages for karmic anywhere?
[00:17] <micahg> directhex: mozilla-daily PPA
[00:21] <directhex> tbh if it's crashing, you should post on mono-devel list. that's likely your best place for responses. i don't think your timezone and portugese timezone are entirely compatible
[00:22] <micahg> directhex: I'm ok with the timezones...
[00:23] <micahg> they're 6 hrs ahead of me
[00:23] <directhex> it's gone 1am there though, so i doubt andreia is about
[00:23] <micahg> directhex: I can try in the morning
[00:24] <directhex> indeed
[00:24] <directhex> also shana on gimpnet #mono. or @sh4na on twitter
[00:24] <micahg> directhex: k, will have to try in the morning
[00:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone available to look at a universe package upload (no response to subscribing sponsors so far) ?
[00:27] <keffie_jayx> pbuilder fails, could the archive for pulling dependencies be down? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/414600/
[00:29] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: It's a 404 not found error: possibly the package version being requested has been superceded. You probably need to a pbuilder update before trying to build the package.
[00:29] <keffie_jayx> IntuitiveNipple: I have just updated pbuilder
[00:29]  * keffie_jayx updates again
[00:30] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: Maybe the mirror you're using hasn't synced yet? check it manually using a browser to see what's there
[00:30] <keffie_jayx> thanks
[00:30] <keffie_jayx> I am updating again and removing that mirror from /etc/pbuilderrc
[00:31] <ajmitch> if it has 2.6.4 in its package listing for lucid, it's quite out of date
[00:32] <keffie_jayx> http://ve.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/
[00:32] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: Looking in that mirror, 1ubuntu1 isn't there:
[00:33] <keffie_jayx> yep
[00:33] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: nor is 0ubuntu2
[00:33] <keffie_jayx> what mirror do you recomend?
[00:33] <keffie_jayx> plain archive?
[00:33] <IntuitiveNipple> But there are *later* versions of those packages
[00:34] <IntuitiveNipple> so that seems to imply that the Releases files fetched/used by the pbuilder are out of date in some way...not sure I understand how. I *assume* the package you're building doesn't build-dep on those exact python versions?
[00:34] <keffie_jayx> what do I do If after I change the mirror pbuilder keeps loking in ve.archive....
[00:35] <IntuitiveNipple> The mirror settings are in the pbuilder's own /etc/apt/ configuration so as long as that is changed it should be ok
[00:36] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: You probably need to do a "pbuilder login --save-after-login ..." to change the apt sources.list
[00:37] <keffie_jayx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/414604/ is my debian/control...
[00:38] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: Yeah, that looks fine, it must be the pbuilder's apt settings
[00:38] <keffie_jayx> IntuitiveNipple:  I'll look into that
[00:40] <keffie_jayx> IntuitiveNipple: after I login I have no editors :S
[00:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I install nano for that reason :)
[00:41] <IntuitiveNipple> there's vi but I never got the hang of its commands and interface
[00:42] <keffie_jayx> ahh
[00:42] <keffie_jayx> I can do vi
[00:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Package upload request (universe) apt-cacher bug #561902
[00:42] <keffie_jayx> IntuitiveNipple:  no vi there
[00:42] <IntuitiveNipple> install it using apt-get from the command line
[00:44] <keffie_jayx> Err http://ve.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main nano 2.1.11-3 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.45 80]
[00:44] <keffie_jayx> sed can do the trick
[00:46] <IntuitiveNipple> blimey you're not having much luck there!
[00:47] <keffie_jayx> got it
[00:47] <IntuitiveNipple> you can force apt-get to get the version you *know* is on the mirror using the version-suffix: e.g. apt-get install ${package}=2.1.11-4ubuntu1
[00:53] <keffie_jayx> IntuitiveNipple: thanks ... pbuilder is now pulling deps fine now
[00:55] <IntuitiveNipple> keffie_jayx: What did you do? change the archive mirror it was using?
[00:55] <keffie_jayx> yep
[00:55] <keffie_jayx> changed it with sed
[00:55] <keffie_jayx> it worked fine
[00:55] <IntuitiveNipple> might be worth reporting to the archive/mirror admins in case that issue on ve is important
[00:55] <keffie_jayx> it complained a bit about pbuilder-dependdumy?
[00:56] <keffie_jayx> but I guess it was not that important
[00:56] <IntuitiveNipple> It always does, as in, unmet dependencies
[00:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Like: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy"
[00:57] <keffie_jayx> mmm
[00:57] <keffie_jayx> my packages has binary filles in it and I hadn't noticed
[00:57] <keffie_jayx> the script generates .eggs
[00:57] <keffie_jayx> gotta go home for now
[00:58] <keffie_jayx> see you in a bit
[00:59] <RoAkSoAx> k/quit
[02:56] <keffie_jayx> guys, just wanna thank everyone
[02:57] <keffie_jayx> I have just packaged my first aplication from scratch
[02:57] <keffie_jayx> it is a twitter client made in venezuela, and it is my first package in my ppa
[02:57] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[02:58] <keffie_jayx> the app is not in debian yet
[02:58] <keffie_jayx> what would be the procedure to getting it in Ubuntu for the nextrelease
[02:58] <ScottK> TheMuso (or any Ubuntu Studio dev) apparently the Audacious package structure has changed and you'll need to update your seeds: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/audacious-plugins-extra
[02:59] <ScottK> !revu | keffie_jayx
[02:59] <ScottK> That's where you start, but don't expect much attention to be paid until after release.
[02:59] <TheMuso> ScottK: Thanks for the heads up.
[02:59] <keffie_jayx> ScottK: I thought so
[02:59] <TheMuso> ScottK: BTW as of lucid's release, I am resigning from the ubuntustudio dev team.
[03:00] <TheMuso> Just FYI.
[03:00] <ScottK> TheMuso: Feel free to beat bdrung about the head and shoulders when you see him.
[03:00] <keffie_jayx> ScottK: thanks for all the help
[03:00] <TheMuso> heh I am not that nasty.
[03:00] <ScottK> persia: We still want Universe fixes though.  Let's make that clear in /topic.
[03:01] <ScottK> TheMuso: Who else should I be pinging about Studio?
[03:01] <ajmitch> persia: want to add that rcbugs url to the topic while you're at it?
[03:01] <ScottK> Yes.  Please.
[03:01]  * persia has to hand-type URLs because of a client issue: if someone else wants to change the topic: please just do it :)
[03:02] <persia> ScottK: Thank you.
[03:02]  * ScottK leaves RC bugs URL to ajmitch.
[03:03]  * ajmitch mutters
[03:03] <ajmitch> typical
[03:03] <ajmitch> doesn't quite fit :)
[03:04] <ajmitch> sorry for spam
[03:04] <persia> Just means we have to dop something.
[03:04] <persia> Let's drop the rebuild failures in favour of RCbugs for now.
[03:05] <persia> rebuilds are important, but we've done the binary removals, so the FTBFS lists should be populated correctly at this point.
[03:05] <persia> (assuming LP did the sensible thing)
[03:05] <ajmitch> drop the UDD FTBFS link?
[03:06] <persia> Actually, try dropping debcheck first.
[03:06] <persia> debcheck is important and all, but not as important as either rebuild failures or rcbugs.
[03:07] <ajmitch> it only matters if people actually read the topic :)
[03:07] <persia> Cool, it fits.
[03:07] <persia> Yeah, well.
[03:14] <ScottK> persia: LP does not create a build record after a binary removal, so the FTBFS won't have all you need.  You need the rebuild failures.
[03:14]  * ScottK notes "The Unapproved queue is empty." and invites people to change that.
[03:15] <persia> ScottK: Should I process 500 changelog-only uploads to remedy that, or is there a better way?
[03:16]  * persia grumbles.  This CD managed to install on this hardware successfully (except for bugs) the last 7 times, and now it fails :(
[03:17] <TheMuso> lol
[03:17] <TheMuso> ScottK: Re studio, for lucid, its pretty much me atm, but for Maverick and beyond, I don't know. The team are still sorting themselves out I think.
[03:17] <ScottK> TheMuso: OK.  Thanks.
[03:17] <ScottK> persia: There is a better way.
[03:18] <persia> ScottK: What's the better way, and who is doing it?
[03:18] <persia> Or is the better way to review each, and upload things that fix the FTBFS?
[03:18] <ScottK> The better way is to look at /topic, investigate the links, and do something useful.
[03:18] <ScottK> persia: Excellent.
[03:19]  * ajmitch looks for this mythical empty queue
[03:19] <persia> Oh well.  I was hoping for consolidated reporting.
[03:20] <persia> ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[03:21] <ajmitch> ScottK: if you were bored, the karmic unapproved queue isn't empty :)
[03:24] <ScottK> The output of apt-cache unmet |grep -v Recommends|grep -v Suggests|less is also somewhat instructive, although it does require some interpretation.
[03:31] <ScottK> ajmitch: Boost accepted.  I'm not messing with Landscape.
[03:33] <ajmitch> ScottK: I don't care about landscape :)
[03:34]  * ScottK neither
[03:34] <ajmitch> 'apt-cache -i unmet' will probably do what you wanted there, too
[03:35] <ScottK> Sure enough.  Thanks.
[03:48] <zul> whats wrong with landscape?
[03:48] <ajmitch> I didn't touch it, so I don't know what changes it has in karmic-proposed
[03:49] <zul> ah ok...i thought something was actually wrong with it
[03:52] <ajmitch> nah, it just has an update to be accepted by an archive admin
[03:52] <zul> heh..yeah i know I put it there ;)
[03:53] <ajmitch> oh did you now? :)
[03:53] <zul> well uploaded it
[03:53] <zul> anyways
[03:53] <zul> im falling asleep
[03:53]  * ajmitch has been doing that all day
[03:58] <ScottK> zul: It has special rules about what's OK.
[05:07] <micahg> TheMuso: would you like to sponsor a vlc patch for me?
[05:09]  * ajmitch wonders what we should do with spe - it depends on pychecker, which was removed 
[05:10] <micahg> ajmitch: bring a new/working version of pychecker back?
[05:11] <ajmitch> at this late stage? it's possible, but it was removed due to python2.6 compatibility
[05:11] <micahg> ajmitch: did debian not get a working version since then?
[05:12] <ajmitch> which may or may not have been correct
[05:12] <ajmitch> it has a version which appears to work, but has some open bugs with regards to py 2.6 features
[05:12] <micahg> ajmitch: well, idk about now, but I filed a sync for something that was removed due to FTBFS, but it was fixed
[05:12] <ajmitch> so I'm not sure if it's worth dragging back in yet or not
[05:12] <micahg> ajmitch: ah
[05:13] <micahg> ajmitch: is spe needeed?
[05:13] <ScottK> ajmitch: pychecker is needed, IIRC, for spe installability, so getting it back would be good.
[05:13] <ScottK> (if it works)
[05:13] <ajmitch> ScottK: yes, this is what I'm talking about, someone mentioned spe being uninstallable in the loco channel
[05:14] <ajmitch> it at least has issues with relative imports
[05:14] <ScottK> I heard someone say it worked with 2.6, but never had a chance to look into it.
[05:14] <ScottK> That'd be a problem in 2.5 too, right?
[05:14] <ajmitch> would you be able to approve letting it back in from sid if that's the case?
[05:14] <ajmitch> not sure
[05:15] <ScottK> I'll take care of Newing it, yes.
[05:15] <ajmitch> I'll see how it builds & runs on lucid
[05:16] <ScottK> For now I'm going to go collapse for a few hours.
[05:17] <ajmitch> OK
[05:17] <ajmitch> it passes a test suite when builkdding on lucid, so there's hope
[05:18] <ScottK> Great.  Good night.
[05:18] <ajmitch> night
[05:19] <micahg> night Scottk
[05:39] <imbrandon> ugh got a strange problem
[05:40] <imbrandon> and arch : all package that has to be built on ppc though
[05:40] <imbrandon> ...
[05:40] <imbrandon> anyway to force that on soyuz ?
[05:48] <wgrant> No.
[05:49] <wgrant> It is, however, ridiculously easy to implement once a control field has been decided upon.
[05:50] <ajmitch> something like Build-Architecture?
[05:51] <wgrant> Something like that, yes.
[05:53] <imbrandon> hum ok, i guess no openbios-{ppc,sparc} for lucid then
[05:54] <ajmitch> those sort of packages have often been a problem
[05:54] <imbrandon> yea, i rember them messing with my head a year or two ago
[05:57] <ajmitch> I suppose it ought to be mostly safe by now to upgrade my laptop to lucid
[05:59] <micahg> ajmitch: I'd wait for the 2.6.32-21 kernel to hit the repos first
[06:00] <ajmitch> there have been a few issues with -20? :)
[06:00] <imbrandon> i've been on it a few weeks on my laptop, seems fine so far, no major breakage
[06:01] <imbrandon> Linux jordan 2.6.32-21-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 13 20:34:00 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:01] <imbrandon> looks like -21 is in
[06:01] <imbrandon> :)
[06:01] <ajmitch> yeah, I saw the source upload
[06:01] <ajmitch> didn't know how backlogged buildds are
[06:02] <imbrandon> yea i downloaded it a few minutes ago from archive , not sure about the contry codes
[06:02] <imbrandon> country*
[06:02] <ajmitch> I have archive.u.c in sources.list
[06:02]  * micahg is wondering why an upgrade hans't been offered
[06:02] <imbrandon> micahg: apt-get update :)
[06:02] <ajmitch> i386 vs amd64?
[06:03] <imbrandon> maybe, i'm on x86_64 but run 32bit
[06:03] <micahg> imbrandon: ah, that's probably it
[06:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch: so i'm thinkin about sellin my wow acct
[06:04] <imbrandon> lkol
[06:04] <imbrandon> lol*
[06:04] <ajmitch> k
[06:04] <ajmitch> I'm not buying
[06:05] <imbrandon> hahah i know
[06:05] <imbrandon> i just keep seeing them on Craigslist for $1000 for about half of what i have
[06:05] <imbrandon> i'm like hum, an easy $1k usd
[06:05] <imbrandon> lol
[06:05] <ajmitch> just because they're listed for that doesn't mean they'd sell for that much
[06:06] <imbrandon> true
[06:06] <imbrandon> imho someone would be an idiot to pay for one, but thats ok, an idiot is easily parted with his $
[06:07] <ajmitch> yep
[06:08] <ajmitch> now if you were to try & sell your LP account we'd have to beat you :)
[06:08] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:08] <imbrandon> you know that had never crossed my mind, thats kinda nuts
[06:09] <imbrandon> wonder what a dd gpg+ssh key would go for ? hahahahahahah blasphmy
[06:09] <ajmitch> if any developer were to do that, they'd be blacklisted rather fast, I hope
[06:09] <imbrandon> exactly
[06:10] <imbrandon> and since the wot is fairly personal, i would be hard to get back
[06:10] <imbrandon> the reputation that is
[06:10] <ajmitch> they may even end up with a personal visit from some nice people...
[06:10] <imbrandon> :)
[06:12] <imbrandon> honestly now that you mention it, i wonder if its ever been attempted or if there is a contengcy plan ( other than that of any other time there has been untrusted access to the dd systems )
[06:12] <imbrandon> i hope not but still ...
[06:15] <imbrandon> you know i wish there was once place/page to manage all the lists.ubuntu.com subscriptions , instead of goting to each mailmans interface
[06:15] <micahg> imbrandon: you can bulk change your address
[06:16] <imbrandon> ?
[06:16] <imbrandon> do tell
[06:16] <micahg> imbrandon: you can change your address for all lists in one shot
[06:16] <imbrandon> no no i got that part, but where
[06:16]  * micahg is looking
[06:17] <wgrant> I think you can do it once you're logged in to any of the lists.
[06:17] <wgrant> I did it a couple of years ago, but don't remember the details. It wasn't that unobvious.
[06:17] <micahg> maybe that's it
[06:17] <imbrandon> see thats 3/4 of my problem, i've signed up to half the lists with diffrent email addresses etc ( but they all forward to my same inbox ) so its hard to manage them all
[06:18] <imbrandon> lol
[06:18]  * micahg did that too and migrated everything to ubuntu.com address once I acquired one
[06:18] <imbrandon> some are @ubuntu.com some are @kubuntu.org some are my gmail , lol
[06:19] <imbrandon> and heck its been 4 years since i signed up on some of the lists
[06:19] <imbrandon> lol
[06:19] <micahg> ajmitch: can you ack a sync?
[06:23] <imbrandon> awesom, i found the area to do it ( on the ML pages ) thanks
[06:26] <siretart> micahg: I'm at a conference in paris this week, so if you need a sponsor, I won't be avaiable before the weekend when I'm back home
[06:26] <micahg> siretart: I'm trying to find someone to do it
[06:27] <imbrandon> what do you need micahg ?
[06:27] <micahg> imbrandon: I need vlc sponsored and phpmyadmin sync acked
[06:28] <imbrandon> i can take a look at vlc for ya, where do you have it ?
[06:28] <micahg> imbrandon: bug 558981
[06:28] <micahg> hi hyperair
[06:28] <imbrandon> micahg: ok, added to my queue, i'll lookit over / upload before i sleep tonight
[06:28] <micahg> imbrandon: great, thanks
[06:29]  * micahg would like to get a few days of testing before release
[06:35] <micahg> imbrandon: would you be able to push a packagekit rebuild for me or is it too late?
[06:36] <ajmitch> micahg: I may be able to look at phpmyadmin in a bit, just in the middle of upgrading my laptop now
[06:36] <micahg> ajmitch: k
[06:40] <cody-somerville> Its too late
[06:41] <cody-somerville> unless it meets final freeze exception criteria
[06:41] <micahg> cody-somerville: k, seems like it only has a build-dep on xul191 and not a runtime dep
[06:44] <micahg> seems like the only thing left that actually needs xul191 in archive to run is gjs
[06:44]  * micahg will fix this weekend
[06:48] <imbrandon> micahg: changes look good, test build is also fine, get me an FFe on IRC or on the bug report from a release team member and i'll upload it
[06:49] <micahg> imbrandon: should an FFe ack already in the bug...
[06:49]  * imbrandon will look closer
[06:50] <micahg> imbrandon: wait, it's an FTBFS fix...I guess I do need an FFe...this gets confusing
[06:50] <imbrandon> :)
[06:51] <imbrandon> just ping any of the awake release team members on irc or get them to ack it, i'll take care of the rest if wanted
[06:51] <micahg> imbrandon: I just asked pitti
[06:51] <imbrandon> k
[06:51] <imbrandon> brb more mt dew time
[06:51]  * micahg requested several already this week and thought all were had
[06:55] <micahg> imbrandon: pitti said it's bug fix only, so go for it
[07:13] <imbrandon> micahg: k will so
[07:13] <imbrandon> do*
[07:17] <micahg> imbrandon: thanks
[07:21] <hyperair> micahg: hello.
[07:23] <RAOF> micahg: You've got a fix for that gjs madness?
[07:25] <imbrandon> micahg: uploaded, should have email shortly
[07:29] <micahg> RAOF: this weekend, sorry for the delay
[07:29] <micahg> imbrandon: thanks
[07:29] <micahg> RAOF: gjs is the last thing that depends on xul191 in lucid, but it depends on an older version ATM, so it doesn't  matter
[07:29] <RAOF> micahg: No need to be sorry!  I was just wondering how you'd fixed it :)
[07:30] <micahg> RAOF: I still have my idea, I just need time to look into it, unfortunately, I was thrown a curveball with vlc and we just got that uploaded tonight
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:09] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:33] <imbrandon> gnight all
[08:34] <micahg> gnight imbrandon, thanks again
[08:44] <splashote> hey, I'd like to propose guayadeque for inclusion in the Ubuntu repos. https://sourceforge.net/projects/guayadeque/ it's not my project but anonbeats. it's a quite advanced lightweight AudioPlayer with a very fast development and a very active group of users behind it
[09:00] <splashote1> if there is anybody willing to help us in order to include guayadeque, we'll discuss this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1398128
[09:27] <ajmitch> wow, plymouth looks ugly on fglrx :)
[09:48] <micahg> ajmitch: I thought that release doesn't need to ack bug fix only universe packages until RC week
[09:49] <micahg> ajmitch: ah, it seems that it was updated :)
[09:49]  * micahg thinks he said the same thing by beta 2
[10:01] <ajmitch> micahg: I thought I'd subscribe them before I got told off too much
[10:02] <micahg> ajmitch: no, you're correct, I forgot that the policy changed this cycle
[10:22] <directhex> is making a source package compile on amd64 as well as i386 something that needs a FFe?
[10:25] <micahg> directhex: I don't think so, but I think at this point, you need a -release ack for upload
[10:25] <directhex> even for universe?
[10:25] <directhex> hm, spose so
[10:25] <micahg> directhex: I should restate, I'm assuming that it was capable and something broke and it's not new like all to separate arch?
[10:26] <micahg> directhex: I think it's new this cycle even for universe
[10:26]  * micahg keeps forgetting
[10:26] <directhex> micahg, it was previously Arch:i386, due to a very small bug
[10:27] <micahg> directhex: idk, you should probably just ask in -release and you can get whatever ack you need at this point :)
[10:27] <micahg> or maybe someone else will pop in here :)
[10:54] <Laney> You don't need any additional approval for unseeded packages
[10:55] <micahg> Laney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#Exceptions%20for%20Universe/Multiverse seems to imply something else
[10:56] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-April/000705.html
[10:56] <micahg> Laney: I thought I saw it somewhere :)
[10:57]  * micahg goes to subscribe ubuntu-archive to my sync
[10:59] <micahg> Laney: should I sync be confirmed after MOTU ack or still NEW?
[10:59] <micahg> *a sync
[10:59] <Laney> I don't understand
[10:59] <Laney> "or still NEW"?
[10:59] <micahg> Laney: the status on a sync bug should be confirmed or new after MOTU ack?
[11:00] <Laney> oh, confirmed if you have sponsors ack
[11:00] <micahg> Laney: yep, he just thought release ack was needed
[11:00] <Laney> maybe it needs an ffe
[11:00] <micahg> Laney: bug fix release
[11:01] <micahg> Laney: you want to verify?
[11:01] <Laney> no, it's alright
[11:33] <james_w> ScottK: bug 563697 if you would be so kind
[11:38] <ScottK> Looking
[11:42] <ScottK> james_w: Approved.
[11:43] <james_w> thanks
[12:14] <ScottK> bdrung: Your vlc upload has an undocumented change in debian/rules.  I'm going to reject it.  If that was desired, please document both the change and the rationale.
[12:18] <YokoZar> Can someone with archive please sync hedgewars?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars/+bug/555082
[12:20] <bdrung> ScottK: it's for installing the apport hook
[12:21] <ScottK> bdrung: As long as you tested it, reupload with a more thorough changelog then.
[12:42] <bjfs> If I include python-fpconst on lucid (pbuilder) for build depends, the build fails with "Depends: python-fpconst which is a virtual package", though it looks normal... any idea how to hack this?
[13:04] <james_w> lfaraone: know what we should do with http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/sugar-0.86 ?
[13:16] <james_w> hyperair: any idea about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/banshee-extension-telepathy ?
[13:17] <hyperair> james_w: oh yeah, sorry i forgot to tell you. please remove it.
[13:17] <james_w> hyperair: remove what?
[13:17] <hyperair> james_w: -telepathy.
[13:17] <hyperair> i commented out the package
[13:17] <hyperair> it's documented in the changelog
[13:17] <james_w> eh?
[13:17] <hyperair> telepathy-gabble >= 0.9 doesn't exist in lucid
[13:17] <hyperair> it's not installable.
[13:17] <james_w> you just uploaded?
[13:17] <james_w> oh
[13:18] <james_w> the problem is that banshee-community-extensions still depends on it
[13:19] <hyperair> james_w: heh? i thought i commented that out as well.
[13:19] <james_w> pls to be fixing
[13:19] <hyperair> james_w: it is commented out.
[13:19] <hyperair> james_w: are you sure you're looking at the correct version?
[13:19] <hyperair> james_w: -1ubuntu3
[13:20] <james_w> no idea
[13:20] <james_w> I'm just going on the output of NBS
[13:20] <hyperair> it's commented out
[13:20] <james_w> your answer can be "It's waiting in the build queue", or "it was only built two hours ago"
[13:20] <hyperair> er
[13:20] <hyperair> more like it hasn't been built at all?
[13:21] <hyperair> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44184394/banshee-community-extensions_1.6.0-1ubuntu2_1.6.0-1ubuntu3.diff.gz
[13:21] <hyperair> fine, it's waiting in the build queue.
[13:21] <james_w> ok
[13:21] <james_w> must have been skew with the old standalone package or something
[13:21] <james_w> I'll remove the binary and it will all work itself out when that builds
[13:22] <hyperair> okay
[14:47] <kreuter> hi #ubuntu-motu.  how do I help fix a bug in a package whose maintainer is "Ubuntu MOTU Developers"?
[14:48] <nenolod> make a debdiff containing the fix and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug
[14:52] <ScottK> nenolod and kreuter: ubuntu-sponsors, not ubuntu-universe-sponsors anymore.
[14:55] <nenolod> oops.
[14:55] <nenolod> well i haven't needed to fix a ubuntu package in some time. :p
[14:57] <ScottK> james_w: Thanks for taking on the NBS stuff.
[14:58] <james_w> there's still quite some to do unfortunately
[16:03] <james_w> I'm starting a packaging training session on using bzr for Ubuntu development now in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:03] <james_w> anyone is welcome to come ask questions
[16:03] <james_w> even those who think they know everything ;-)
[16:22] <lfaraone> james_w: not sure :(
[17:04] <micahg> ttx: I'm not sure how they choose what to sync, I had something else requested to sync that wasn't this morning even though it was approved
[17:20] <ttx> micahg: we'll see, I can upload the limited fix in case the sync gets rejected for any reason
[17:20]  * ttx disappears
[17:48] <bdmurray> How or who do I talk to about getting bughelper removed from the archive?
[17:48] <geser> bdmurray: the archive admins via a bug
[18:27] <rbaut0> exists a how-to about how packaging app that are build with maven ?
[18:30] <geser> rbaut0: if you don't find any, you might check how other package are done (look for package build-depending on maven)
[18:41] <ScottK> bdrung: Thanks to your audacious upload there are now a number of packages build-depending on the old, no longer built ones.  Please ensure they get transitioned.  See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ for details.
[19:00] <bdrung> ScottK: there are four B-D on audacious-plugins-dev. This must be changed to audacious-dev, but all four package fail to build, because some functions are missing (renamed/removed?)
[19:00] <ScottK> bdrung: OK.  Please take care of fixing it.
[19:02] <ScottK> hyperair: Similarly your dropping of banshee-extension-telepathy has left banshee-community-extensions uninstallable.
[19:02] <hyperair> ScottK: it hasn't built yet.
[19:02] <ScottK> hyperair: OK.  Great.
[19:02] <hyperair> ScottK: it's been stuck in the queue for nearly 20 hours now, i think.
[19:03] <ScottK> hyperair: The buildds are really backed up.
[19:03] <hyperair> ScottK: weird, some hours ago i checked the buildds, and there were at least 8 i386 buildds idling
[19:04] <ScottK> hyperair: Those were PPA buildds.  Not interchangable
[19:04] <hyperair> ScottK: aah i see.
[19:04] <hyperair> hmm 24hours, not <20h
[19:06] <ScottK> As the main freeze gets harder, things in Universe will catch up.
[19:14] <ScottK> bdrung: Feel free to ping sistpoty for help when he's around since he approved the FFe.
[19:26] <bdrung> ScottK: do we need a FFe for bug fixes?
[19:27] <ScottK> bdrung: No.
[19:27] <bdrung> ScottK: so for what was this notice?
[19:27] <ScottK> Please don't do stuff like rewrite the entire build system if you can avoid it.
[19:27] <ScottK> bdrung: Getting the audacious rdpends fixed.
[19:29] <bdrung> ScottK: oh, i missreaded your comment: i read "since he approves FFe" instead of "since he approved the FFe"
[19:29] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.
[19:38] <bdrung> ScottK: bug #564087, #564088, #564091, #564092
[19:38] <bdrung> where is sistpoty?
[19:41] <ScottK> Not sure.
[19:42] <ScottK> bdrung: I'd first check and see if any of those packages have new upstream versions that do build with 2.3.
[20:16] <lfaraone> persia: in other news, it looks like asking nicely managed to convince the Debian maintainers to adopt the epoch for squeak-vm. Yay for cross-distro coordination!
[20:17] <persia> "asking nicely" is the most powerful tool in free software :)
[20:17] <persia> Extra points for asking nicely with a patch
[20:18] <lfaraone> persia: heh, there wasn't much to patch :)
[20:20]  * ScottK prefers asking nicely with a big stick, but doesn't always have that optin.
[20:20] <ajmitch> ScottK: using a big stick in debian can be counterproductive
[20:27] <lfaraone> For SRUs, we should use version numbers like ubuntu0.1, right? (what if I'm considereing SRUing to multiple serieses?)
[20:35] <lfaraone> persia: uh, is bug 301190 corrently worded? (my second SRU)
[20:36] <persia> I'm not the best person to ask about SRUs, but it appear to have rationale, test case, and a patch.
[20:37]  * persia accepts some nominations, expecting lfarone will follow-up appropriately
[20:41] <james_w> lfaraone: what was sugar-0.86 and why was it removed?
[20:53] <mhall119> question: should this package branch have all the qimo-games* files in it?
[20:53] <mhall119> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/qimo-games/lucid/files
[20:55] <james_w> mhall119: no, they must have been in the source package when it was uploaded
[20:55] <mhall119> do I file a bug and then propose a merge to remove them?
[20:56] <ScottK> mhall119: Yes
[20:56] <ScottK> Or attach a debdiff to the bug.
[20:58] <mhall119> I already have the branch checked out
[20:59] <mhall119> do I update the changelog when I do this, or will the person merging update it?
[21:02] <james_w> mhall119: update the changelog, but the uploader can do it for you if you want
[21:04] <mhall119> what's the usual way of doing it?
[21:04]  * mhall119 is trying to learn the "correct" way
[21:04] <james_w> adding the changelog entry is usual
[21:04] <mhall119> ok
[21:04] <mhall119> thanks
[21:11] <mhall119> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qimo-games/+bug/564152
[21:11] <mhall119> does that look right?
[21:18] <james_w> mhall119: looks ok to me
[21:20] <mhall119> yay, I may finally be starting to get the hang of this
[23:02] <lfaraone> james_w: older version of sugar. It was removed since .88 is out, I guess, and we need only one version.
[23:03] <lfaraone> james_w: sadly due to some pyxpcom issues we can't ship a working sugar-browse, which is critical.
[23:04] <lfaraone> james_w: by the way, I can propose for a package to be merged into RELEASE-proposed like I do with "lucid" during the development cycle, right?
[23:05] <micahg> lfaraone: I can try to sort out the upstream pyxpcom goals after UDS
[23:05] <lfaraone> micahg: mk, thanks. that's a bit above me unfortunately :(
[23:58] <james_w> lfaraone: but we can't keep them around depending on the removed package either
[23:58] <james_w> lfaraone: and you can propose for -proposed for karmic and earlier