[01:56] <vsingh165> does anyone here have JACK working successfully on 9.10 (karmic)?  i get lots of xruns no matter what settings I try.  I am on rt kernel, and I've added the two lines to /etc/security/limits.conf like I'm supposed to.
[02:00] <holstein> hey vsingh165
[02:01] <holstein> JACK is running though right?
[02:01] <holstein> what is your latency setting?
[02:01] <vsingh165> it was until i stopped it
[02:01] <vsingh165> let me take a screenshot of my settings real quick.
[02:01] <holstein> in qjackctl
[02:01] <holstein> COOL
[02:03] <vsingh165> here are my settings: http://yfrog.com/5mjacksettingsp
[02:04] <holstein> ALSO
[02:04] <holstein> what device are you using?
[02:04] <vsingh165> im using my onboard ALI M5455, and sometimes i plug in my digitech guitar pedal for recording instruments
[02:04] <holstein> can you run cat /proc/interrupts
[02:04] <holstein> and pastebin me
[02:05] <vsingh165> http://pastebin.com/jjmeJ6hn
[02:06] <holstein> vsingh165: will you increase your frames/period and period/buffer
[02:06] <vsingh165> k
[02:07] <holstein> bump those up a couple steps until your latency is WAY up there
[02:07] <holstein> like 100 something ms
[02:07] <holstein> and just do what you were doing before
[02:07] <holstein> and see if you get the same Xruns
[02:07] <holstein> does it matter what you do?
[02:07] <vsingh165> this time it failed...stopped right after I started it
[02:07] <holstein> does JACK just xrun while setting there
[02:08] <holstein> yeah?
[02:08] <vsingh165> no, it does not
[02:08] <holstein> what seems to trigger it
[02:08] <vsingh165> it only xruns when the jack server starts up successfully
[02:08] <holstein> OH just like once or tiwice
[02:08] <holstein> twice
[02:08] <holstein> and then calms down
[02:09] <vsingh165> im not sure if its just the onboard sound...yesterday i got it to run without any xrusn
[02:09] <vsingh165> but then i configured it for my guitar pedal and it started xruns again
[02:09] <holstein> its not horrible to see some xruns when starting jack
[02:09] <holstein> and some other programs
[02:09] <vsingh165> my pedal isn't plugged in atm, but i still get xruns
[02:09] <holstein> BUT you dont want them when your recording
[02:09] <vsingh165> yeah but i get like 30 per second
[02:09] <vsingh165> depending on settings, sometimes i get like 100 per second
[02:10] <holstein> vsingh165: the pedal is not USB right?
[02:10] <vsingh165> it is
[02:10] <holstein> OH
[02:10] <holstein> what is that things
[02:10] <holstein> thing*
[02:10] <vsingh165> i may just invest in another soundcard if jack just doesn't cooperate, but i wanna get this working as much as possible w/o having to buy one.
[02:10] <holstein> let me google it
[02:10] <vsingh165> digitech rp250...works like a charm in alsa so i know thats not the problem
[02:10] <holstein> maybe its fighting with your sound device somehow
[02:11] <holstein> SO
[02:11] <vsingh165> no i set jack's input device to the pedal when i tried recording with it
[02:11] <holstein> OH
[02:11] <holstein> SO at that poing
[02:11] <holstein> point*
[02:11] <holstein> your not using your internal card then
[02:11] <holstein> i would trouble shoot them seperately
[02:12] <holstein> try and get your internal card up
[02:12] <holstein> with JACK
[02:12] <holstein> and running something like hydrogen without xruns
[02:12] <holstein> can you do that?
[02:12] <holstein> with the digitech unplugged
[02:12] <vsingh165> ok looks like i may have found why jack isn't working
[02:12] <holstein> OH
[02:12] <holstein> ?
[02:13] <vsingh165> alsa needs 2 periods, not 3, according to the error msg
[02:13] <holstein> OH
[02:13] <holstein> ok
[02:13] <holstein> well, bump up the other then
[02:13]  * holstein uses firewire
[02:14] <vsingh165> great...now qjackctl locked up.
[02:14] <vsingh165> it got like 150 xruns in 5 seconds
[02:14] <holstein> and what was the latency?
[02:14] <vsingh165> idk why this ran fine yesterday w/o the pedal plugged in...i don't have pedal plugged in right now
[02:14] <vsingh165> latency was 64ms
[02:14] <vsingh165> but that was at 48000 Hz sample rate, which isn't working today either
[02:15] <vsingh165> i find it weird that the same settings work one day and not the next
[02:15] <holstein> well, something is going on somewhere i bet
[02:15] <holstein> its challenging to troubleshoot JACK errors
[02:15] <holstein> BUT worth it :)
[02:16] <vsingh165> yeah its really low latency, i love it for hydrogen
[02:16] <vsingh165> it never skips a beat with jack :)
[02:16] <holstein> you mean?
[02:16] <holstein> hydrogen to JACK to your internal card?
[02:16] <holstein> thats stable?
[02:16] <vsingh165> yeah
[02:16] <holstein> OK
[02:16] <vsingh165> not today, but yesterday it was
[02:16] <holstein> well, thats something though
[02:16] <holstein> hmmm
[02:17] <vsingh165> looks like qjackctl is taking like 40MB of memory...yikes
[02:17] <vsingh165> its all locked up
[02:17] <holstein> i guess you could kill it
[02:17] <holstein> and we could try something else
[02:18] <holstein> if your getting a stable experience with hydrogen to JACK to your card
[02:18] <vsingh165> killed it and started qjackctl again (jackd doesnt autostart when i start qjackctl)
[02:18] <vsingh165> i WAS getting it stable with hydrogen yesterday, now its all broken for w/e reason
[02:18] <holstein> i think we should look at what programs in paricular are triggering the xruns
[02:18] <holstein> i know on my system
[02:18] <holstein> zynaddsubfx
[02:19] <holstein> its just not RT friendly
[02:19] <holstein> and i get xruns no matter what
[02:19] <holstein> i ran into a few packages like that
[02:19] <holstein> i forget the others though
[02:19] <vsingh165> i may just get a better soundcard for like $30
[02:19] <vsingh165> like an audigy
[02:20] <holstein> i pretty much just use JACK ardour JaMin and some plugins
[02:20] <vsingh165> that would have way lower latency than onboard sound, which must go thru the cpu
[02:20] <holstein> vsingh165: soundblaster?
[02:20] <holstein> that all depends
[02:20] <vsingh165> what soundcard would u recommend for linux? i know the x-fi's don't fare well with alsa
[02:20] <holstein> if you insterested in getting in or out of the computer
[02:20] <holstein> or both
[02:20] <holstein> if you want a mic preamp
[02:21] <vsingh165> in is better...and no i dont need mic preamp.  i have a usb snowball mic :)
[02:21] <holstein> vsingh165: i usually suggest the zoomH4
[02:21] <holstein> i dont have it personally
[02:21] <holstein> BUT for the money, its an amazing multitasker
[02:21] <holstein> with low latency
[02:21] <holstein> nice preamps
[02:22] <holstein> if you got 30 bucks
[02:22] <holstein> i would say, save it up, and use what you got
[02:22] <vsingh165> i just need a soundcard that plays well with jack
[02:23] <vsingh165> i do all my recording thru usb, but like u said, my stupid onboard sound may be screwing with it.
[02:23] <holstein> there are a few beringer usb devices
[02:23] <holstein> around 40US
[02:23] <holstein> if you want
[02:23] <holstein> join #opensourcemusicians
[02:23] <holstein> guitarman has a beringer
[02:24] <holstein> i forget the brand
[02:24] <holstein> MODEL*
[02:24] <holstein> but it was cheap
[02:24] <holstein> and oter folks have the zoomH4
[02:25] <holstein> other*
[02:25] <holstein> OH
[02:25] <holstein> vsingh165: is this a desktop machine?
[02:25] <holstein> the maudio 1010lt is very nice
[02:25] <holstein> pci card
[02:26] <holstein> i think you can get one for 150
[02:26] <vsingh165> yes its a desktop
[02:26] <holstein> yup
[02:26] <holstein> 1010lt
[02:26] <vsingh165> well thanks for your help
[02:27] <holstein> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html
[02:27] <holstein> vsingh165: anytime
[02:27] <vsingh165> i'll keep playing with jack until i get it working, but if not, i'll look at some soundcards (even tho I don't use one for recording)
[02:27] <vsingh165> cya
[18:05] <kaffien> is there a recomended recording hardware list for ubuntustudio?   i have a xfi platinum setup but it doesn't like linux all that much
[18:05] <kaffien> I just want to record electic guitar via 1/4 inch plugs
[18:24] <holstein> kaffien: hello
[18:24]  * holstein reading
[18:26] <kaffien> and hi
[18:26] <kaffien> I only really need to record one track at a time and then mix via ardour
[18:26] <holstein> kaffien: this is what you got
[18:26] <holstein> http://reviews.cnet.com/sound-cards/creative-sound-blaster-x/4505-9334_7-31484387.html
[18:26] <holstein> right?
[18:26] <holstein> is this the only device you have?
[18:26] <holstein> no internal device?
[18:27] <kaffien> back sorry this is what i have
[18:27] <kaffien> i didn't describe it well enough
[18:27] <kaffien> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16829102014
[18:28] <holstein> does it work with JACK?
[18:28] <kaffien> jack connects
[18:28] <holstein> cool
[18:28] <holstein> well, thats mmore than half the battle :)
[18:28] <holstein> more*
[18:28] <kaffien> but when plug in the guitar to amp then amp to the input  (from output on amp)  nothing shows
[18:29] <holstein> hmmm
[18:29] <holstein> that card has multiple input soucrces
[18:29] <holstein> sources*
[18:29] <kaffien> im not sure if the actual face plat part is supposed proper in linux
[18:29] <holstein> different jacks
[18:29] <holstein> physical jacks*
[18:29] <kaffien> i may have to pickup a convert from 1/4 to 1/8th and use the inputs on the card
[18:29] <holstein> im pretty sure its only 2 channels in
[18:29] <holstein> hmmm
[18:30] <kaffien> or look for another piece of hardware
[18:30] <holstein> i would try to route ALL in's to out's in jack
[18:30] <kaffien> and rip that card out
[18:30] <holstein> and conncet something to all the inputs
[18:30] <holstein> and see if ANYTHING shows up
[18:30] <holstein> at all
[18:30]  * holstein not a fan of that card
[18:30] <holstein> i dont know much about it honestly
[18:30] <kaffien> i love it in windows
[18:30] <holstein> BUT
[18:30] <kaffien> but its not much use in linux
[18:31] <holstein> thats not the kind of card for input
[18:31] <holstein> those are for output
[18:31] <kaffien> hehehe so then what IS
[18:31] <holstein> 5.1
[18:31] <holstein> surround
[18:31] <kaffien> 7.1 surround on that card
[18:31] <holstein> that kind of things is what its made for
[18:31] <holstein> OK 7.1
[18:31] <holstein> even better
[18:31] <kaffien> but anyhow i need to know a decent card for input for linux
[18:31] <holstein> for OUTPUT
[18:32] <holstein> for a desktop machine only?
[18:32] <holstein> is PCI OK?
[18:32] <kaffien> for recording guitar
[18:32] <kaffien> pci is ok
[18:32] <holstein> ...
[18:32] <kaffien> and yes desktop machine
[18:32] <holstein> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html
[18:32] <holstein> i only ask because
[18:33] <kaffien> holy extensions
[18:33] <holstein> you can get something USB or preferably firewire
[18:33] <kaffien> is there a 1/4 plug in that mess?
[18:33] <holstein> and migrate to a laptop
[18:33] <kaffien> i do have a eeepc handy
[18:33] <kaffien> what would you recomend on the usb side?
[18:33] <holstein> personally, i wouldnt
[18:33] <holstein> i would go firewire
[18:34] <holstein> BUT if you just want stereo input
[18:34] <holstein> USB will do fine
[18:34] <holstein> if your iterested kaffien
[18:34] <kaffien> no firewire on the laptop
[18:34] <holstein> there is a channel #opensourcemusicians
[18:34] <holstein> lots of helpful folk
[18:34] <kaffien> H
[18:34] <kaffien> ah even
[18:34] <holstein> and gear reviews
[18:35] <kaffien> on my way
[18:35] <holstein> :)
[18:35] <holstein> i have heard about decent affordable USB devices in there
[18:35] <kaffien> yeah
[18:35] <kaffien> also what do you use on a small laptop?
[18:35] <kaffien> for software
[18:36] <kaffien> ardour seems to be geared more toward larger screens
[18:36] <holstein> i use ardour and jack
[18:36] <holstein> i might just use audacity on the EEE sometimes
[18:36] <kaffien> how big is the screen on the laptop?
[18:36] <holstein> i use a macbook
[18:36] <kaffien> ah
[18:36] <holstein> with jack and ardour
[18:36] <holstein> in the field
[18:36] <kaffien> yeah they have firewire hehe
[18:37] <holstein> and i dump that into ubuntustudio when i get home
[18:37] <kaffien> this laptop was not purchased with audio in mind hehe
[18:37] <holstein> yup
[18:37] <holstein> i got a few of those too
[18:37] <kaffien> it's my sysadmin lappy
[18:37] <holstein> no firewire sucks
[18:37] <holstein> i got a couple older kying ones
[18:37] <_guitarman_> kaffien: you can get ardour to scale down with font scaling
[18:37] <holstein> dying*
[18:37] <_guitarman_> i run ardour on a 10 inch screen
[18:37] <kaffien> ahh
[18:37] <_guitarman_> it works
[18:37] <holstein> with firewire
[18:38] <_guitarman_> hp mininote.
[18:38] <holstein> and im holding on to them ;)
[18:38] <_guitarman_> works fine
[18:38] <kaffien> can't wait for usb3.0 to become popular
[18:38] <holstein> _guitarman_: totally do-able
[18:38] <kaffien> something about full duplex  so nice
[18:38] <_guitarman_> holstein: yup - i mix the podcast on it
[18:38] <holstein> especially if your just tracking
[18:38] <holstein> and mixing elsewhere
[18:38] <_guitarman_> holstein: this most recent episode 37 i did on it.
[18:38] <_guitarman_> yes
[18:38] <holstein> OR mixing somehting small
[18:39] <_guitarman_> i haven't tracked to it yet
[18:39] <_guitarman_> but i did some testing and it worked with 4 tracks and no xruns
[18:39] <_guitarman_> i bet it could handle more
[18:39] <holstein> OH yeah
[22:33] <bdrung> audacious-plugins-extra was removed. it should be dropped from the ubuntustudio-audio package. do someone want to do it or should i do it?
[22:46] <bdrung> TheMuso: ^
[23:00] <bdrung> i have fixed it
[23:31] <TheMuso> bdrung: How did you fix it?
[23:32] <bdrung> TheMuso: i simply removed it
[23:32] <TheMuso> bdrung: From what?
[23:32] <bdrung> and uploaded 0.70
[23:32] <TheMuso> bdrung: oh ok thanks
[23:32] <bdrung> ubuntustudio-audio
[23:32] <TheMuso> Did you change the seeds?
[23:33] <bdrung> audacious-plugins-extra was merged into audacious-plugins, which gets installed automatically
[23:33] <bdrung> seeds?
[23:34] <TheMuso> ubuntustudio seeds.
[23:34] <TheMuso> Thats where it really needs to be changed.
[23:35]  * TheMuso takes care of it.
[23:36] <bdrung> i have no idea how seeds work.
[23:36] <bdrung> TheMuso: let me know what you do
[23:36] <TheMuso> bdrung: Ok. I have altered the seds located here: lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.lucid
[23:37] <TheMuso> bdrung: Once updated, I then run the update script in the ubuntustudio-meta package, which checks bzr and updates accordingly.
[23:41] <bdrung> TheMuso: i have already updated the ubuntustudio-meta package
[23:41] <TheMuso> bdrung: yeah ok
[23:42] <bdrung> (and fixed some lintian bugs)
[23:42] <TheMuso> ok cool
[23:44] <holstein> how is the installer?
[23:45] <holstein> is there anything i can do there?
[23:46] <holstein> is there somewhere besides the daily to get a more recent testing iso?
[23:49] <TheMuso> The daily is the most recent iso to test.
[23:49] <holstein> cool
[23:49] <holstein> i'll just keep trying then :)
[23:49]  * holstein got a second box together finally to test lucid studio