[01:56] <nixternal> is it me, or is the panel no longer transparent? compositing is enabled and working just fine, however the panel is freakin' dark
[01:56] <nixternal> oh, btw, my laptop survived the storm! insurance company gave it to me today, and it is up and working right now :)
[01:57] <nixternal> so I can do a lil dev now
[01:57] <nixternal> actually, i did more dev on it than i did anything else....except for building kde trunk, that was my quad core for that
[02:40] <ScottK> Someone should have told Scorpion that KDM is full of C.
[02:40] <ScottK> lex79: Great.  We should wait until after the RC is out to update though.
[03:26] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea its happening on my desktop too, havent figured out why yet
[03:26] <imbrandon> actualy its only half the panel
[03:26] <imbrandon> ( the left half )
[03:26] <imbrandon> running nvidia by chance ? wonder if its a video card thing
[03:38] <nixternal> my entire panel is a nasty dark gray
[03:38] <nixternal> intel
[03:39] <imbrandon> hum ok that rules out hardware driver then, must be somewhere else
[03:40] <imbrandon> cant be just us, wonder if there is a bug open, i'm not a real great graphics fella
[03:40] <imbrandon> honestly i thought it was just part of the theme ( ugly ) untill i seen some screenshots how it "should" be
[03:40] <imbrandon> lol
[03:42] <nixternal> yeah, it was transparent before the storm last week :D
[03:42] <nixternal> i just got the laptop back today, updated it, and now it looks like shit
[03:42] <imbrandon> mines been like that since upgrade but i just upgraded the laptop like 4 or 5 days ago
[03:43] <imbrandon> upgrade == from 9.10 -> 10.04
[03:43] <imbrandon> not just update
[03:44] <imbrandon> re-org of 2gb ( of txt ) emails is no fun
[03:44] <nixternal> mbox or maildir?
[03:44] <imbrandon> i decided in a fit i dident like the lable/folder system i was using, lol
[03:45] <imbrandon> imap gmail ( for my domain )
[03:45] <imbrandon> ive got mail arcived in there from 97 on
[03:45] <imbrandon> archived*
[03:46] <nixternal> i deleted a lot of mail
[03:46] <nixternal> i had email since 1994
[03:46] <nixternal> got rid of that crap
[03:47] <nixternal> i finding out slowly but surely, that gmail sucks
[03:47] <imbrandon> i like being able to search it all, only thing i regualrly delete is ML archives ( by year ) since they are on the web
[03:48] <imbrandon> well my problem isnt with gmail , infact i'm happy enough with it i pay the $50 per user for the extras, my problem is more of the way i have it orginised chokes out most offline imap clients
[03:48] <imbrandon> because of the sheer volume of mail in some folders
[03:49] <imbrandon> so i'm going through relabeling EVERYTHING and then going to hide some of the folders/labels from imap
[03:49] <imbrandon> for stuff say "older than 2008" plus a few other arbitrary rules, that way i still have it server side and via the webmail but my client dosent choke
[03:50] <imbrandon> well atlease i'm hoping thats the way it will work, lol
[03:52] <nixternal> i think pop3 is best with gmail, and just leave the messages on the server
[03:53] <imbrandon> yea but i go between my desktop, netbook, laptop , and random public computers alot
[03:53] <nixternal> though, i use offlineimap and mutt, so it works great for me
[03:53] <imbrandon> so pop really isnt an option imho
[03:53] <nixternal> then all of my email is on gmail, as well as this machine that I have irssi running on
[03:54] <imbrandon> yea irssi runs on my webserver, not the best solution and i really dont wanna add mail into the mix
[03:54] <imbrandon> lol
[03:54] <nixternal> Host '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.31-21-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 1000 MHz; Up: 13:00; Users: 3; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 458/935 Mio] [Swap: 863/863 Mio] [/: 10771/14084 Mio] [/boot: 55/122 Mio] [/media/maxtor: 137358/150230 Mio] [/home: 33648/41301 Mio]; Vpenis: 96.6 cm;
[03:54] <nixternal> not to shabby, and it is an old pos machine
[03:55] <imbrandon> heh mines a linode
[03:55] <imbrandon> the second from the bottom linode
[03:55] <nixternal> www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/4226512764/sizes/l/
[03:56] <nixternal> mutt ftw
[03:56] <imbrandon> is that connected via imap ?
[03:56] <nixternal> though I changed up my screen a bit...now I only have IRC, Mail, and Shell
[03:56] <nixternal> no, maildir locally which is synced to gmail via offlineimap
[03:57] <imbrandon> hum
[03:57] <nixternal> that is the fastest way for gmail hands down
[03:57] <imbrandon> 2way sync ?
[03:57] <nixternal> mbox is junk
[03:57] <nixternal> yes
[03:57] <imbrandon> hrm, i might steal your setup later if you dont mind and try it out
[03:58] <imbrandon> think you could sanatize the configs and tar em up ?
[03:58] <nixternal> it is about as generic as it gets
[03:58] <nixternal> just for offline imap?
[03:58] <imbrandon> well i never get mutt setup where i can see the folders and such
[03:58] <imbrandon> like that
[03:58] <nixternal> my mutt config is insane
[03:58] <imbrandon> both
[03:58] <nixternal> gotta use mutt-patched
[03:58] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:58] <nixternal> yeah, nhandler has been asking me to do it for about 6 months now :)
[03:58] <imbrandon> maybe thats why, i'll screw with it in a few hours and see , if not i might be emailing ya asking for assistance
[03:59] <nhandler> I was just thinking about that this afternoon ;)
[03:59] <imbrandon> lol
[03:59] <imbrandon> LOL
[03:59] <nixternal> nhandler: you didn't ask me did you?
[03:59] <nixternal> DAMNIT!
[03:59] <nhandler> nixternal: Not today. I haven't asked for a few weeks now
[03:59] <imbrandon> brb, little boys room is calling my name
[03:59] <nixternal> I just ate my last Ferrero Rocher
[04:00] <nixternal> yeah, I need to go through my config for mutt and clean it up...i have some problems with my send-hook config
[04:04] <imbrandon> nixternal: dooooo it ;)
[04:09] <imbrandon> ok nixternal , got a mystery for ya
[04:09] <imbrandon> rdy?
[04:11] <imbrandon> if i ssh to a machine via user@localip i get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" but if i ssh to the same machine via the public ip user@dnsname.com it works
[04:11] <imbrandon> lol
[04:15] <imbrandon> brb
[04:20] <imbrandon> ahh much better
[04:27] <nixternal> imbrandon: I have seen that happen, but opposite
[04:27] <nixternal> @localip works but @domain.com gives me that notice
[08:07] <EagleScreen> The Kubuntu feedback widget is too large, it does not fit the screen
[08:08] <EagleScreen> I can't easily close it
[08:08] <EagleScreen> this is in a 12'1 inches screen
[08:17] <jussi> EagleScreen: resolution?
[08:19] <EagleScreen> 1280x800, jussi
[10:56] <valorie> apachelogger, i was just reading up on my favorite cd-ripper of all time, Kaudiocreator
[10:56]  * apachelogger falls over
[10:56] <valorie> and it says on there on KDE-apps that you are packaging the latest update for Kubuntu?
[10:56] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:57] <valorie> I've missed it for so long.....
[10:57] <apachelogger> valorie: last I checked it was not usable
[10:57] <valorie> but it isn't in synaptic, so I'm guessing that isn't happening
[10:57] <valorie> I thought he had ported it to KDE4?
[10:57] <apachelogger> hm
[10:57] <valorie> we don't have ANY rippers!
[10:57] <valorie> nada
[10:57] <apachelogger> there surely was some reason I did not upload
[10:57] <apachelogger> valorie: k3b
[10:58] <apachelogger> audiocd:/
[10:58] <valorie> ha
[10:58] <valorie> haha
[10:58] <apachelogger> in fact, k3b is the preferred choice anyway :P
[10:58] <valorie> right now I'm using dolphin
[10:58]  * apachelogger probably had some reason not to upload kaudiocreator
[10:58] <valorie> it's such a huge package for a lil thing....
[10:58] <apachelogger> valorie: ill look into it again and upload to PPA + maverick
[10:58] <apachelogger> once latter is open ;)
[10:59] <apachelogger> valorie: you are close with amarok, time to convince them to include ripping ;)
[10:59] <apachelogger> would make a lot of users happy
[10:59] <valorie> they do include it
[10:59] <valorie> but I've not totally figured out the configuration to suit me
[10:59] <valorie> I guess I should just do that
[10:59] <apachelogger> well ^^
[11:00] <apachelogger> ah
[11:00] <valorie> amarok used as a frontend for k3b
[11:00] <valorie> sheesh
[11:00] <apachelogger> valorie: kaudiocreator is still beta, maybe that is why I didnt upload it
[11:00] <valorie> kaudiocreator was light, and perfect
[11:00] <valorie> soundjuicer is almost as good, to be honest
[11:01] <apachelogger> valorie: I'll make sure to drop it into beta-backports PPA
[11:01] <valorie> however, it pulls in about 20 other packages
[11:01] <valorie> 000000000ooooooooo
[11:01] <apachelogger> oh, I even have the package here ^^
[11:01] <valorie> where do I send the box of chocolates?
[11:01] <valorie> :-)
[11:19] <apachelogger> valorie: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta build will start in 2 minutes on i386
[11:19] <apachelogger> so packages should be appearing within the hour
[11:20]  * apachelogger goes looking for something to munch for lunch
[12:04] <lex79> Tonio_: something is wrong in network-manager-kde http://pastebin.ca/1863130
[12:04] <lex79> Tonio_: doing dist-upgrade network-manager-kde goes away
[12:05] <ScottK> It's supposed to.  You should get plasma-widget-networkmanagement instead.
[12:06] <lex79> ScottK: ah, thanks :)
[12:50] <apachelogger> valorie: it failed a bit to build ;)
[12:51] <apachelogger> uploading a working verison ^^
[14:03] <Mamarok> apachelogger: can I safely remove config files from /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config or will a script whine about stuff not found?
[14:04] <Mamarok> other question, if I remove all settings from there, will i end up with a vanilla KDE?
[14:04] <apachelogger> you can remove, they will however return upon upgrade
[14:04] <apachelogger> to endup with vanialla KDE you must remove kubuntu-default-setitngs TBH
[14:04] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I guessed so, but at least I know where I can get some features back I want to have
[14:05] <apachelogger> Mamarok: you can always set them in your profile?
[14:05] <Mamarok> like the Amarok spash screen which is part of our branding, and it sucks big time you disable it
[14:05] <apachelogger> that is the beauty of cascading configs, your settings will override kds
[14:05] <Mamarok> apachelogger: nope, since the kubuntu-settings override my defaults on every update
[14:05] <apachelogger> no they dont
[14:06] <apachelogger> unless someone broke KConfig which I find unlikely
[14:06] <Mamarok> yes they do, I reactivated the spash screen a bazillion times, and I get it disabled by the kubuntu-settings all the time
[14:06] <apachelogger> no
[14:06] <apachelogger> then amarok's implementation is bogus
[14:06] <Mamarok> well, it doesn't work as it should here, then
[14:06] <apachelogger> poke markey :P
[14:06] <Mamarok> and it is definitely a Kubuntu issue, works fine on other distros
[14:06] <apachelogger> IIRC that setting was already bogus at some point
[14:07] <Mamarok> nope, it is not
[14:07] <apachelogger> changing it in the UI did nothing I think
[14:07]  * apachelogger thinks he doesnt make himself clear
[14:07] <Mamarok> I checked my config files in $HOME/.kde/ and it is definitely enabled there, so the Kubuntu-settings one overrrides my setting
[14:08] <apachelogger> kubuntu-default-settings is building upon one of the most central parts of KDE's config system
[14:08] <apachelogger> the fact that configs get cascaded
[14:08] <mcas> DarkwingDuck_: ping
[14:08] <apachelogger> in fact most data in KDE gets cascaded
[14:08] <apachelogger> but most importantly the configs
[14:08] <Mamarok> see what I wrote above
[14:08] <apachelogger> so every config entry follows a fallback chain
[14:08] <apachelogger> first entry point is always the user's config
[14:09] <Mamarok> it is set to fals in the kubunut-settings and to true in my home, and the spash screen does NOT show up
[14:09] <Mamarok> splash*
[14:09] <Nightrose> splash screen gets shown fine here
[14:09] <apachelogger> should the entry not be there or say it is not readable then it falls down one layer
[14:09] <apachelogger> in a stock KDE the next layer is the builtin default
[14:09] <apachelogger> but due to the cascading nature you can move any config in between that
[14:09] <apachelogger> and another one and another one
[14:10] <apachelogger> essentially that is KDE's implementation of kiosk
[14:10] <apachelogger> since each of those configs can lock an entry, so the previous fallback layer, even if it contains the key, will not be honored
[14:10] <apachelogger> but that is only a side note, since kubuntu-default-settings does not contain such entries
[14:11] <apachelogger> now
[14:11] <apachelogger> say amarok checks whether it shall show its splash or not
[14:11] <apachelogger> it should look in the users home
[14:11] <apachelogger> if it is not found there, then it will fall down one layer, on Kubuntu that is kds
[14:12] <apachelogger> if it is also not set there, then it falls again down one layer, on Kubuntu that is the builtin default
[14:12] <agateau> Riddell: what's the status with regard to the KMail KSNI patch in Lucid?
[14:12] <apachelogger> so when you say that kubuntu-default-settings is overriding that setting upon update, then this is just wrong
[14:12] <agateau> Riddell: oh and hi! :)
[14:12] <apachelogger> because kubuntu-default-setings is obviously totally passive
[14:12] <apachelogger> it provides a file containing the entry and that is it
[14:13] <Mamarok> OK, I removed both amarokrc files now, be it only to test that I can set the splash screen in the settings
[14:13] <apachelogger> further more, in order to override the above config layer, kds would have to deadlock to entry
[14:14] <apachelogger> which is, as mentioned, not the case for any config set in kds, and then you probably wouldnt be able to change the setting with having any effect
[14:14] <apachelogger> not even temprorary
[14:15] <Mamarok> oh, btw, I don't have the last plugged in widget popping up anymore when I connect a USB stick
[14:16] <Riddell> agateau: it's on my list for today but I'm feeling ill so I'm being slow today
[14:16] <Mamarok> although it is in the SysTray, it just doesn't show newly plugged in stuff anymore
[14:17] <agateau> Riddell: oh, take care of youself, was just wondering if it would be in Lucid or would have to go as an SRU
[14:22] <Riddell> agateau: yes it'll get in
[14:24] <agateau> Riddell: ok great
[14:32] <UnixDawg> morning
[14:32] <UnixDawg> beta2 install has issues
[14:33] <UnixDawg> when you select the keyboard it errors out and skips hd setup
[14:33] <Riddell> UnixDawg: there's been lots of fixes since then, best to test with today's ISO
[14:34] <UnixDawg> ok where can  g et todays iso ?
[14:36] <Riddell> UnixDawg: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100416/
[14:39] <UnixDawg> thnks
[14:40] <UnixDawg> ok I book marked that thnks
[14:41] <Riddell> UnixDawg: you want to bookmark http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current so it's still useful tomorrow :)
[14:46] <Riddell> ScottK: any reason not to just upload kdebase-workspace now?
[14:51] <okn> I could not find sources of kubuntu project
[14:51] <okn> I mean source code on the we
[14:52] <okn> I am searching for about 15 min
[14:52] <Riddell> okn: apt-get source <packagename> is the easiest way
[14:53] <Riddell> okn: if you're not using kubuntu then launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>
[14:53] <okn> Riddell thx
[14:53] <okn> let me try
[15:04] <promulo> Riddell: hi
[15:06] <Riddell> hi promulo
[15:07] <promulo> where I can find that implementation you refered on that comment?
[15:07] <promulo> launchpad?
[15:09] <Riddell> not sure
[15:10] <Riddell> rgreening_: where's the stuff you started on at UDS for filesharing?
[15:17] <Riddell> powerpc images failed to build due to initramfs for anyone who cares
[15:17] <UnixDawg> any of you use ultimate ubuntu
[15:18] <UnixDawg> its nice but bloated
[15:32] <UnixDawg> I like the new startup screen
[15:40] <UnixDawg> is there a dvd image put out daily or just a normal iso ?
[15:43] <persia> UnixDawg: DVD images are also put out daily, but that's a lot of bandwidth if you pull them all.
[15:44] <UnixDawg> ok
[15:45] <Riddell> persia: DVD images are twice a week usually
[15:45] <Riddell> 47 20 * * 1,5   buildlive kubuntu-dvd && for-project kubuntu cron.dvd
[15:46] <Riddell> monday and friday looks like
[15:46] <UnixDawg> all I have left is 5 blank dvd so I will have to grab the dvd
[15:46] <Riddell> you can write CD images to DVDs
[15:46] <Riddell> rewritable DVDs are best
[15:46] <UnixDawg> yes but its a waste
[15:47] <UnixDawg> I might have a few rewritables
[15:47] <CIA-6> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas (The man) <echidnaman@gmail.com> * echidnaman@gmail.com-20100416144755-4xms5189z3rkctud * debian/ (changelog patches/kubuntu_89_strigi_ram_detection.diff) (log message trimmed)
[15:47] <CIA-6> In kubuntu_89_ram_detection.diff, add a "First start=true" key to the
[15:47] <CIA-6> nepomukserver.kcfg. It is imperative to set the first start key here, as doing
[15:48] <persia> Riddell: Hrm.  I thought I saw adjacent dates on cdimage.  THanks for the correction.
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: A fixed kubuntu-default-settings and kdebase-runtime are going to be in approval queue momentarily
[15:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's new?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: turns out that it was preferring the value in k-d-s over the "default-value-when-key-doesn't-exist" value I set in the code
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> So I put the key in the nepomukserver.kcfg instead
[15:49] <UnixDawg> last dvd was the 7th
[15:49] <UnixDawg> so it seems they are not any from this week
[15:50] <UnixDawg> lucid-dvd-i386.iso        07-Apr-2010 00:02  3.4G
[15:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: groovy
[15:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you looked into sftp not working at all?
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yes, there was a sneaky ABI breakage in libssh. Only affected sftp, and I had tested ftp
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: a rebuild fixed that
[15:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ah nice
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> nice. we got a bunch of langpacks on and we're still 5 MB under on i386 and 8ish on amd64: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:54] <aleite> hello guys, I compiled kde trunk on ubuntu (I am trying to dev), changed the language to pt_BR, made the same with gnome-language-selector... but my gtk apps are still in English.. what can I do?
[15:54] <aleite> It happens when I use kdm (compiled) as the default login manager
[15:59] <maco> Riddell, apachelogger, Nightrose: can one of you give me admin power in !kubuntu on identi.ca so i can clear out spammers like i do on !ubuntu ?
[15:59] <Nightrose> maco: at work now but if you remind me in a few hours and if i'm listed as admin i can do it when at home
[16:00] <Nightrose> maco: if you fancy cleaning up: there is also !KDE ;-)
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Do you think we could add ktorrent back to the seed? We have langpacks for 7 languages on the i386 iso (5 on amd64)
[16:29] <lex79> Riddell: there's a new upstream release of soprano http://soprano.sourceforge.net/node/45
[16:29] <lex79> changelog http://pastebin.ca/1863393
[16:29] <lex79> package https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> Hey, that'll be a fix for bug 537578 :)
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> or at least it looks promising
[16:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: mm yes ktorrent seems like a good idea
[16:32] <Riddell> maco: umm, how do you get admin power on a tag?
[16:33] <Sput> I assume there were no more blockers in the quassel-0.6.0 package?
[16:33]  * Sput is about to tag 0.6.1
[16:35] <Riddell> lex79: best be quick if you're packaging it :)
[16:37] <lex79> Riddell: the package is already in my ppa :)
[16:37] <ScottK> Riddell: No reason not to upload it except it's a big package build and so it seemed reasonable to wait and see if anything else came along.
[16:42] <maco> Nightrose: you're an admin on that group, and someone just spammed it (i banned them from the ubuntu group after their first spam) but i cant do anything about it right now
[16:43] <maco> Riddell: not a tag, a group
[16:43] <maco> Riddell: http://identi.ca/group/kubuntu  login, and you can add me as an admin
[16:44] <nigelb> maco, asking for ops is so wrong :D
[16:44] <nigelb> haha
[16:45] <maco> nigelb: there's spammers to whack!
[16:45] <maco> and i mean that in the whack-a-mole sense not any other sense your mind is finding
[16:46] <nigelb> maco, I know.. kidding :) you generally do a good job of whacking them :)
[16:49] <Riddell> maco: how do I add you as admin?
[16:49] <Riddell> oh I see "Make Admin" buttons on members
[16:50] <maco> sebas: ping?
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, ScottK: about to step our for lunch, but could I get one of you to take a look at kubuntu-default-settings and kdebase-runtime in the approval queue? Thanks
[16:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes
[17:09] <ScottK> Riddell: quassel 0.6.1 just got tagged.  It doesn't have any critical fixes we don't already have in patch, so I was planning on dropping it in between RC and final if that's OK.
[17:12] <Riddell> ScottK: always good to keep our version numbers high :)
[17:13] <ScottK> I don't see any sense of trying to push it into the RC.  Seems like the buildd's have pleanty else to do
[17:18] <Riddell> ScottK: did openoffice get sorted on ARM?
[17:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Still building last I looked.
[17:18] <ScottK> Just got restarted three hours ago on a different buildd
[17:19] <Riddell> ah
[17:20] <ScottK> We should drop it on armel for rc.
[17:20] <ScottK> Riddell: If it builds later, we can put it back.
[17:20] <ScottK> It's going to be days before we know now.
[17:42] <Nightrose> maco: sorry - home from work now
[17:42] <Nightrose> still need me to do anything?
[17:42] <maco> Nightrose: Riddell added a new admin account and gave me user/password because he couldnt find my account in the members list amidst all the spam
[17:43] <maco> (i think he now understands the need to clear out spammers...)
[17:43] <Nightrose> maco: hehe ok - want me to look for you and make you a proper admin?
[17:43] <maco> sure
[17:43] <maco> ive deleted about 25 spammers so far i think
[17:43] <Nightrose> k
[17:43] <Nightrose> great
[17:44] <maco> i figured i would look for me once i was done with the spammers
[17:44] <Riddell> now that you have the kubuntu account you could look for yourself
[17:44] <Nightrose> man they really need a search there
[17:44] <maco> yeah ive said this to evan before
[17:45] <maco> need a way to search within the member list for faster blocking and i guess also for faster admin'ing
[17:45] <Nightrose> yea
[17:48] <Nightrose> bah i'm on page 20 now...
[17:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: I got to page 25 before giving up
[17:49] <maco> it's chronologically ordered
[17:49] <Riddell> it's not even alphabetically ordered
[17:50] <maco> what order people joined the group, i think
[17:50] <maco> i saw you, Riddell
[17:50] <Nightrose> page 26 and there she is
[17:50] <Nightrose> \o/
[17:50] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:50] <maco> i started at 20 to look for me :P
[17:50] <Nightrose> maco: admin'd
[17:50] <Riddell> fooey, just one more page..
[17:50] <maco> thanks
[17:50] <Nightrose> np
[17:50] <maco> Riddell's page 23 i think
[17:51] <maco> Riddell: i was probably on page 28 when you looked though
[17:51] <maco> ive been removing spammers from the group so that wouldve scooted me forward a few pages
[18:13] <maco> whew, pages 1 & 2 seem to be de-spammer'd (a few accounts im unsure about so flagged but didnt block)
[18:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Good job on the resizing.  Nothing went over.
[18:21] <ScottK> Also powerpc is right with amd64 and i386, so we should be good.
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> I'm planning on re-adding ktorrent back (should add 2 MB)
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> then things should be left alone, since langpack size will theoretically increase for the final langpacks
[18:23] <ScottK> Why did we remove ktorrent?
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> space concerns, back when we were 20+ MB over
[18:24] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:25] <jussi> So... who wants to volunteer...
[18:25] <maco> http://i.imgur.com/mDoIt.png
[18:27] <jussi> You know how kobby isnt compatibly with oldstyle gobby as has been used previously at UDS?
[18:28] <jussi> anyway... if we can provide backports (in a ppa) for jaunty and hardy where the new gobby isnt, then we can use the new one at uds, therefore allowing us to us kubuntu'ites to use kobby. So who wants to backport it?
[18:29] <maco> Nightrose, Riddell: ive blocked 5 pages of spam accounts so far O_O
[18:29] <jussi> maco: cripes
[18:29] <Nightrose> Oo
[18:29] <maco> (and im only on page 3, so ...like 2 spammers per human)
[18:29] <Riddell> maco: only 30 more to go?
[18:30] <Nightrose> damn
[18:30] <maco> Riddell: page 20 on seemed to be spam-free
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: so I'm planning on adding ktorrent to the kubuntu-common seed, adding 2MB to each. I'm also bumping the Italian language packs over to both, since the space difference between amd and i386 is around the size of the italian langpack
[18:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.
[18:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: please upload kubuntu-meta after you add it
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: will do
[18:31] <maco> 103 accounts so far
[18:31] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[18:31] <Riddell> I added langpacks to the alternate CDs, I might build CD images this evening to check they're within size
[18:31] <Tm_T> we have kget with torrent support, and then ktorrent?
[18:32] <Riddell> we don't seed kget, it has a terrible UI and I've never seen any use for it
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: by the way, have you seen pitti's langpacksize tool? It seems to have different ideas about language priority than the comments in the live seed
[18:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes I edit it to use the preferred kubuntu order
[18:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: aah, better then
[18:33] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/langpacksize
[18:33] <Tm_T> dunno why I assumed kget is in
[18:33] <jussi> we have a flagship app in ktorrent, I really dont see why we wouldnt want to advertise that...
[18:33] <Riddell> although it might be worth checking popcon for popularity of langauges now, I haven't changed that list in a few years
[18:34] <Tm_T> jussi: true
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'll check while I'm at it
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: for the seeds at any rate
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> for current popcon stats, the order for kde langpacks is: de es fr ru it pt pl zh ja nl cs sv hu el
[18:41] <Tm_T> brrrh
[18:41] <Tm_T> really have to get all fi users to enable popcon
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[18:42] <Tm_T> what are the numbers in top five? hundreds of thousands?
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> Spanish has overtaken french. Polish has overtaken Chinese. And Hebrew has overtaken el
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> en is 278400
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> de is 58688
[18:43] <Tm_T> thanks
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> es is 51193
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> If the portugese langpacks weren't so huge, they'd probably make it on the CD more often :P
[18:45] <Tm_T> dunno if even all finnish ubuntu users would get to those numbers, hmmmph
[18:46] <maco> Nightrose: alright, i got through page 3. if you want to start at page 4 and work on clearing out spammers, you're welcome to it ;-)  the blocked list shows i removed 6 pages worth
[18:46] <Nightrose> maco: Oo
[18:46] <Nightrose> unfortunately i have other stuff to do atm
[18:46] <Nightrose> but thx for cleaning up all of them
[18:47]  * Tm_T huggles maco for doing that
[18:47] <maco> wee! huggles!
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> Using langpack stats, I have determined that the Kubuntu/Ubuntu user ratio is 22%
[18:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's a percentage not a ratio :)
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> 0.22/1 ;)
[18:50] <Tm_T> (:
[18:50] <Tm_T> 0.22 that is then
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> or almost 1/4
[18:51] <ScottK> Last time I looked it wa ~1/6 so that's progress.
[18:51] <ScottK> wa/was
[18:51] <Riddell> yeah, lower than hardy time but higher than jaunty time (peak pain point for KDE 4 transition)
[18:52] <Tm_T> and Kubuntu were presented as an free option for Windows in finnish television yesterday(?)
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> jaunty wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't for intel and qt 4.5...
[18:52] <Tm_T> were/was ?
[18:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: ooh?
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> If the Canonical estimates of 12 million Ubuntu users can be believed, we have somewhere near 3 million based on the ratio
[18:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: ye, in consumer show, the story was that they showed in previous show how to save money by upgrading the hardware yourself
[18:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: this time, they showed how xp didn't boot anymore because of hardware changes, and because Windows is expensive, they searched for options..
[18:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: eventually, because one cannot get all new hit games to Linux (with apparent support atleast) they eventyally went to Windows 7 but atleast (K)Ubuntu was showed as a very good option
[18:57] <Tm_T> hmm, should retrieve that flash video somehow and then translate it atleast partially
[19:07] <maco> someone in #statusnet just told me they wrote a plugin to detect and mass-delete spammers on identi.ca :D
[19:08] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:08] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping?
[19:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping?
[19:11] <_Groo_> guys pat on back, i completed the build of the koffice 2.2 beta 2 package :) complete and tested :)
[19:12] <_Groo_> uploading to PPA awp
[19:12] <_Groo_> as we speak :P
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: pong
[19:14] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: hi john :)
[19:14] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: can you verify my koffice 2.2 package and send upstream?
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> send upstream?
[19:14] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: took me 2 weeks :P
[19:14] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah i believe debian dont have it yet either
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> I think either Quintasan or neversfelde was doing the new koffice beta this time around. It'd probably be best to coordinate with them
[19:16] <_Groo_> are they around?
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan isn't online, I know that much
[19:17] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ping?
[19:17] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: k, gonna try later if neversfelde doesnt pong :)
[19:17] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: anyway its in my ppa
[19:18] <_Groo_> ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/peppa
[19:19] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: btw using the format 3.0, how do i do to upload only the debian changes archive instead of th orig again?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: debuild -S -sd, which will work for all source formats
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> as long as you're not using a native source format
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> e.g. 3.0 (native)
[19:21] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah i know that, im talking about dput, dpout already verifies and only uploads the changes?
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> If built correctly, the source package will tell debuild not to upload the orig
[19:22] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ok thnks :)
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[19:23] <ScottK> kubuntu-meta accepted.
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[19:38] <blueyed> can we testbuild the fix for bug 329659 in a ppa? please look at it: it's trivial, but a usability fix.
[19:41] <ScottK> We have a pending kmail upload.
[19:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ what do you think?
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> I can run builds fairly quickly. I can testbuild it
[19:42] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[19:42] <Riddell> kdepim is in unapproved
[19:42] <ScottK> How about we reject it and wait and see on this one?
[19:42] <Riddell> I can reject it if we think there's another upload due
[19:43]  * Riddell makes it so
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> blueyed: have you seen any of the autocollapse issues with that patch?
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> unless the autocollapse issues are resolved, I would not feel comfortable with sponsoring this patch, as upstream doesn't want it
[19:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why don't they want it?
[19:49] <Quintasan> \o
[19:49] <ScottK> Is it just because kdepim is reworked substantially in 4.5?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: A Qt bug makes autoexpanding folders collapse after a certain amount of time
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179711#c10
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> Namely, this Qt bug: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-2553
[19:51] <blueyed> it's the question if non-autoexpanded folders autocollapse, too - but it fixes autoexpanding when dragging above it.
[19:51] <blueyed> I've not tested it yet.
[19:51] <blueyed> can I only sbuild the kmail relevant packages?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> here are some comments from the source: http://paste.ubuntu.com/415711/
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> looks like we definitely don't want it
[19:53] <blueyed> the Qt bug reads like "it should stay expanded when has been autoexpanded", unless it does not do it, do not autoexpand at all (the current KDE workaround).
[19:53] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: ^^ "better than nothing"
[19:53] <ScottK> Sounds like it's worth a test
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> breaking an existing feature (automatic ordering) isn't really worth it, imo
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> *manual ordering
[19:54] <ScottK> Agreed.
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> especially not after final freeze
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I'll test it, though
[19:54]  * Riddell reuploads kdepim_4.4.2-0ubuntu5
[19:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  I get bitten by the lack of automatic opening and it'd be nice to fix it if we can without a lot of other problems.
[19:55] <blueyed> lp:~blueyed/ubuntu/kdepim/329659-autoexpand-kmail-folders
[19:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: anyone working on KOffice beta 2?
[19:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: _groo_ was
[19:55] <Riddell> I assume you and groo are different people, never seem to be around at the same time
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/peppa
[19:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh well, I had few thing to prepare at school regarding that plane crash etc.
[19:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: are you able to check it over and upload to kubuntu-ppa/beta ?
[19:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: sure
[19:58] <blueyed_> re-reading http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-2553 it sounds like it would be better to patch/fix Qt, yes.
[19:59] <blueyed_> I'd like to test it, too, though
[20:16] <Quintasan> I was wondering if any of mobile carriers in USA or UK provide unlimited data transfer plans, here in Poland you get offers for 1/2/4/8 GB per month for unreasonable prices
[20:20] <james_w> g'day my blue-liking friends
[20:20] <markey> apachelogger: pong (belated)
[20:20] <james_w> does anyone have an opinion on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~blueyed/ubuntu/lucid/kdepim/329659-autoexpand-kmail-folders/+merge/23572 ?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/415720/
[20:24] <james_w> thanks, please update the merge proposal when the course of action is decided
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> '
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> ok
[20:35] <Quintasan> anyone here using sbuild?
[20:44] <Riddell> I use pbuilder not sbuild
[20:44] <ScottK> persia uses sbuild, IIRC
[20:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: any plans to upload the fix for bug 350740 ?
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: a kdebase testbuild is in queue, right after kdepim
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> which is currently at 82%
[20:53] <Riddell> yo da man
[20:53] <Riddell> well, the Echidna, but close enough
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> My first gpg key had (the man) as the comment, because I thought the comment field was mandatory :P
[20:54] <Riddell> aah, I wondered :)
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> though some things still seem to pick it up...
[20:55] <Tm_T> haha
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> oooh, unread count is much better now. I must remember to thank agateau
[20:56] <imbrandon> mmmm amarok 1.4 goodness with qt4
[20:56] <imbrandon> i think i might be in love
[20:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm afraid we just removed the patch now
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> aww, oh well
[20:58] <Riddell> problems on Gnome
[20:59] <Tm_T> imbrandon: awww, wut where
[21:04] <imbrandon> Tm_T: http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/
[21:04] <Tm_T> aaah, that one, it's really that good?
[21:05] <imbrandon> only played with it a few minutes but if you like the old school amarok vs v2 then yes
[21:05] <Tm_T> no, I don't miss buggy 1.x series (;)
[21:05] <imbrandon> Tm_T: lol
[21:05] <Tm_T> ...it was cool 5 years ago, but not anymore
[21:06] <Tm_T> seriously, 2.x series works if not perfectly, pretty close to it
[21:06] <Tm_T> for me that is
[21:06] <imbrandon> i'm not really happy with any music collections tools atm, gnome / kde / windows, none of them , iTunes comes the closest but still a little off
[21:07] <Tm_T> heh, I hate iTunes, never did fit to my use
[21:08] <imbrandon> fits mine exactly, and the UI is perfect imho, its just osx only, and only about 1/2 of my machines are OSX ;)
[21:08] <imbrandon> if it would be faster in windows and work in wine it would be g2g
[21:09] <imbrandon> and old school amarok comes almost as close
[21:30]  * kb9vqf loves the old Amarok ;-)
[21:31]  * kb9vqf also notes you can still use it due to the Trinity project...
[21:47] <blueyed_> Quintasan: I'm using sbuild
[21:48] <Quintasan> blueyed_: is it fast?
[21:49] <blueyed_> yes. much better than pbuilder.. takes some time to setup, but lvm makes it a lot faster than having to extract the tar.gz always.
[21:49] <Quintasan> blueyed_: hmm, using lvm means I have to create a separate partition?
[21:49] <blueyed_> also, installing apt-cacher-ng or something similar speeds builds up
[21:49] <blueyed_> do you have lvm setup already?
[21:49] <Quintasan> blueyed_: nope, I'm using typical /dev/sda* setup
[21:50] <blueyed_> then you need lvm (which is not trivial)
[21:50] <blueyed_> have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto ?
[21:50] <blueyed_> it's "mk-sbuild" in lucid
[21:51] <Quintasan> As I expected, I'll look into it when I will do fresh lucid reinstall
[21:51] <blueyed_> good: you can use lvm then during setup.
[21:52] <Quintasan> blueyed_: would 5GB per chroot be enough?
[21:53] <blueyed_> Quintasan: yes.. but then there are the snapshots, too.
[21:54] <blueyed_> just have some free space in some VG.
[21:54] <blueyed_> VG=lvm volume group
[21:54]  * Quintasan needs to read up about LVM
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> blueyed_: I can't seem to get folders to expand when dragged over with the patch
[21:56] <Quintasan> blueyed_: are you using it on your production machine?
[21:56] <blueyed_> JontheEchidna: nothing changed in the behavior?
[21:57] <blueyed_> Quintasan: yes, and the server.
[21:57]  * Quintasan is quite scared of loosing his over 600GB of data :O
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> nothing that I've seen suggests anything is different
[21:57] <Quintasan> I'm going to experiment at my second machine first
[21:57] <blueyed_> JontheEchidna: too bad. Do you have the kmail deb available?
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> blueyed_: ah, I didn't build a deb, I applied the patch and built locally
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> bbl, dinner
[22:02] <Quintasan> blueyed: hmm seems convenient, do you use it with RAID?
[22:15] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: testbuilding kdepim now locally. If it won't work, I might look into going the patch-qt-route (what http://qt.nokia.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=221916 suggests).
[22:16] <blueyed> what source package would that be? "apt-file search qtreeview.cpp" returned no results.
[22:22] <UnixDawg> ok 10.4 installed
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdebase is in queue
[22:24] <sgh> Hi ... I have trouble figuring out debian packages. I am looking at lp:ubuntu/smplayer and I can't figure out how to update the version to 0.6.9. I am assuming is compiles the same way as 0.6.8 so I just have to fetch another source tarball. Any hints?
[22:25] <Quintasan> blueyed: libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QTreeView
[22:26] <Quintasan> blueyed: this is probably what you are looking for
[22:26] <Quintasan> blueyed: there are also two *.h files related to that
[22:27] <Riddell> sgh: bzr co lp:ubuntu/smplayer   the debian/ directory is what you want, put that in the new sources and run debuild
[22:33] <sgh> Riddell: yeah but how about the fetching of the new sources. It there a standard way of specifying the location of new versions ?
[22:34] <blueyed> sgh: "uscan", then "bzr merge-upstream"
[22:34] <blueyed> uscan to get the new tarball
[22:35] <blueyed> Quintasan: thanks. makes sense looking at the name. will see.
[22:36] <Riddell> sgh: I go to their website and look for a download link
[22:38] <sgh> Riddell: aaah .... I see. The sources are in bzr. kdelibs does only contain the build-file right?
[22:39] <Riddell> sgh: that smplayer bzr branch is automatically made from the packages people upload to the ubuntu archive
[22:39] <Riddell> our general practice in kubuntu is to keep only the packaging files (debian/ directory) in bzr
[22:40] <Riddell> there will also be automatically made branches which contain full sources but we don't tend to use them
[22:40] <sgh> Riddell: will that say that there is a "clean" branch to use instead?
[22:44] <Riddell> sgh: looking at debian/control there is no packaging branch mentioned so probably there is no other revision control for that packaging
[22:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: if libkplato*.so.6 was renamed to libkplato*.so.7, should I do something more except mentioning it in changelog and updating *.install files?
[22:53] <Riddell> Quintasan: depends if it's in a library package
[22:53] <Quintasan> krita.install probably is not one
[22:53] <Riddell> no, so that's fine
[22:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: and if it was?
[22:54] <Quintasan> it would be something like libkrita6?
[22:54] <Riddell> yes
[22:54] <Riddell> and you'd need to change it to libkrita7 along with replaces and whatnot
[22:54] <Quintasan> oh, okay
[22:54] <Quintasan> thanks
[22:57] <valorie> apachelogger: sorry for disappearing without saying goodbye last night
[22:57] <valorie> when and where will I find kaudiocreator ?
[22:58] <valorie> first you said it didn't build, then you said you were uploading
[22:58] <valorie> lol
[23:27] <sgh> Riddell: thanks for helping.
[23:45] <valorie> and use that menu to set it
[23:46] <valorie> oops, wrong chan