[00:00] <ninjai> maybe they could invest in some existing developers to release for linux platforms..?
[00:01] <ninjai> I know this is probably comlpetely unrealistic, but imagine if canonical invested into blizzard or something or the sort and they released games liek diablo II and starcraft II on ubuntu.  That would be amazing.
[00:01] <ninjai> the day that happens is the day I get rid of my windows box :)
[00:01] <Zelda> Hello everyone.
[00:01] <ninjai> hello
[00:02] <ninjai> miss
[00:02] <Zelda> I installed Adobe 9 reader. there is an icon on the desktop. I dont want that there, however when I put it in the trash, it also deletes the menu icon as well. Is there anything that I can do that will make it so I can delete the desktop icon and keep the menu?
[00:03] <Zelda> I installed the app to /opt if that matters.
[00:03] <ninjai> really?
[00:03] <ninjai> weird
[00:03] <ninjai> install it from the repository?
[00:03] <ninjai> it's in there
[00:03] <ninjai> I did it today
[00:03] <ninjai> I also never got an icon on the desktop
[00:04] <ninjai> sudo apt-get install acroread
[00:04] <Zelda> I cant. I have  a 64b.
[00:04] <ninjai> its not in the 64b repo's?
[00:04] <Zelda> there isnt one in the repos
[00:04] <ali1234> doh my desktop has vanished...
[00:04] <yofel> and make sure you have the partner repos enabled
[00:04] <MariachiAC> Hello. I have a question. Since i use the Orca screen reader I can use the update-manager. however, when i run "update-manager -d" I can hit the button to upgrade my version of ubuntu (Karmic) to Lucid. When pressing upgrade I lose speech. Can I change /etc/apt/sources.list file manually and run the update manager and upgrade this way or will I experience problems since the recommended way to upgrade is using "upgrade-manager -d"
[00:05] <yofel> Zelda: it's in the partner repos. even for amd64
[00:05] <Zelda> Ill try it. Cause when I did that before it gave me an error saying that x86 stuff
[00:05] <ninjai> Zelda: I believe yofel is correct.. I have extra repo's added/enabled
[00:05] <Zelda> cause im on AMD64
[00:05] <Zelda> ok ill give it a shot.
[00:05] <ninjai> k
[00:06] <ninjai> hahah this is awesome, I've never seen this before... http://ubuntuforums.org/customavatars/avatar447468_3.gif
[00:06] <yofel> MariachiAC: a) what's speech? b) you can certainly use the debian method to dist-upgrade, but we don't support that
[00:07] <Zelda> how do I uninstall the one that I put in /opt
[00:07] <Zelda> ?
[00:07] <ninjai> did you install with a deb package?
[00:07] <Zelda> no a bin
[00:07] <yofel> ninjai: haha, that's err.... tunic? (tux/sonic)
[00:08] <yofel> Zelda: just delete it from /opt I think
[00:08] <ninjai> yofel: I would guess that's a fitting name... pretty awesome eh?
[00:08] <Zelda> I just installed the one in the software center too
[00:08] <Zelda> ok
[00:08] <ninjai> if he deletes from /opt/ there might be some things laying around... dont you think?
[00:08] <MariachiAC> yofel: Orca is a screen reader to read the gnome desktop. So will I experience problems using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:08] <Zelda> who knows.
[00:08] <ninjai> lol
[00:09] <ninjai> agreed
[00:09] <ninjai> ive never used it really
[00:09] <ninjai> i think i tried that program once
[00:09] <Zelda> well I do here and there.
[00:09] <yofel> MariachiAC: well, I'm not sure, but it seems we only had orca in dapper, so I have no idea what will happen
[00:09] <Zelda> just good to have
[00:09] <bjsnider> yofel, the nvidia-installer does not work with lucid and will not work with it. if that block is overridden the official word is that you're on your own
[00:09] <MariachiAC> yofel: orca is i n the other versions of ubuntu. Its called gnome-orca
[00:10] <MariachiAC> yofel I might be willing to give dist-upgrade a try. I'm guessing it won't work though.
[00:10] <Zelda> interesting. It doesnt give me an option to delete it from /opt. I have to go in and delete all the subfolders and files first.
[00:10] <Zelda> I'll just leave it there. who cares.
[00:10] <yofel> MariachiAC: ah, I searched for 'orca', we have gnome-orca 2.30.0-0ubuntu3 in lucid
[00:11] <yofel> bjsnider: ok, I wasn't sure, thanks
[00:11] <endler> Does anyone have kwin desktop effects working with the nvidia drivers using opengl?
[00:11] <MariachiAC> yofel yes I'd like to have hte latest gnome, but currently I am only able to use the cd of beta2 to install on m y laptop. My laptop is an intel based machine while my desktop is an amd. My desktop does not boot the live cd of beta2 for some reason.
[00:11] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C..
[00:11] <ninjai> ebdker: I do at home
[00:11] <ninjai> endler*
[00:12] <Zelda> Gartral: get a new case.
[00:12] <Zelda> haha
[00:12] <endler> Since upgrading to lucid I've had to change to xrender to get compositing to work
[00:12] <Zelda> *kidding
[00:12] <ninjai> endler: Ah, sorry.  I forgot I was in ubuntu+1, I'm running 9.10 at home.
[00:12] <yofel> endler: kwin  works fine here on my geforce 250GTS, maybe the driver installation didn't go right?
[00:13] <endler> It worked for me in 9.10
[00:13] <Gartral> Zelda: i was about to say.. my H.A.F.932 shouldnt have any isues
[00:13] <yofel> endler: what driver have you installed currently?
[00:13] <endler> yofel, are you using opengl or xrender for compositing
[00:13] <yofel> MariachiAC: that can have a bunch of reasons, can you try a daily image?
[00:13] <yofel> endler: let me check
[00:13] <rapha> hmm
[00:13] <endler> 195.36.15
[00:14] <yofel> gl
[00:14] <rapha> one thing that still doesnt work is file sharing among ubuntu pcs :-(
[00:14] <endler> It runs, but doesn't render properly
[00:14] <rapha> i installed samba on every PC and shared the "Public" folder for guests, but when i click "network" on one of the other pcs i dont see those shares
[00:14] <endler> opengl works otherwise
[00:14] <yofel> endler: what happens if you try to run 'glxgears' or 'glxinfo' ?
[00:15] <endler> Both work fine.  Only opengl problems are with kwin
[00:15] <yofel> maybe look for errors in ~/.xsession-errors
[00:16] <Zelda> IM going to brb. Going to see if my menu icon disappears after I reboot. Brb.
[00:16] <yofel> you can run 'tail -f ~/.xsession-errors' to see new errors as they come in, leave that running and try to enabel opengl
[00:16] <yofel> endler: ^
[00:16] <endler> I don't think their would be any "errors" because it "works" but doesn't look right
[00:16] <yofel> doesn't look right?
[00:17] <MariachiAC> yofel I tried an image Tuesday. I can try another and see if its any different.
[00:17] <endler> renderings incorrectly ie. washed out, ureadable, goes to black when it shouldn't
[00:18] <yofel> MariachiAC: we had a few mountall and plymouth fixes in the last few days that can make a difference, if you already have an image you can just zsync it
[00:18] <endler> opengl is enabled and working in every way just fine except with for kwin effects
[00:19] <Zelda> Back.
[00:19] <Zelda> Ok so now I have 2 menu icons. How do I delete the one that I installed via a bin?
[00:19] <MariachiAC> I believe I have an image. How would I zscync it?
[00:19] <Zelda> through the terminal right?
[00:19] <MariachiAC> yofel I believe I have an image. How would I zscync it?
[00:21] <Kementari> question: if I install the current beta of lucid, will I be able to seemless upgrade to the offical 10.04 release on the  29th?
[00:21] <yofel> MariachiAC: in the directory where you have the image run 'zsync <link_to_zsync_file>' like 'zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync'
[00:21] <yofel> !final | Kementari
[00:23] <Zelda> would navigating to the /opt and then sudo apt-get rm adobe work?
[00:23] <MariachiAC> yofel Ok I'll try that. brb.
[00:24] <Zelda> or going into the package manager.
[00:24] <yofel> Zelda: why apt-get? that's only for .deb packages, either  use the remove function of the .bin you installed adobe reader from or try something else
[00:25] <yofel> but apt will never touch /opt in any way
[00:26] <Zelda> new to ubuntu obviously. still trying to learn. whats the easiest way to remove it? I still have the .bin in the downloads folder.
[00:27] <yofel> erm, didn't the page you got the .bin from give any removal instructions?
[00:27] <Zelda> no. I downloaded it direct from Adobe.
[00:27] <Zelda> I didnt see any.
[00:27] <Zelda> Ill look again
[00:27] <yofel> only for .deb packages there is a defined procedure how to handle them in ubuntu, with .bin files it depends on how the .bin file works
[00:28] <yofel> Zelda: maybe running the .bin with --help might tell you something
[00:28] <Zelda> well, I wish I would have known that.
[00:29] <endler> yofel,  running tail I get errors about wobblywindows and coverswich effects not being supported
[00:29] <yofel> wtf? wasn't that compiz?
[00:30] <endler> was running with kwin in 9.10
[00:30] <trash80> iirc, the 9.10 is gnome
[00:30] <trash80> i am using 9.10
[00:30] <yofel> trash80: there is kubuntu 9.10 too
[00:31] <yofel> endler: ok, kwin has them too, my mistake
[00:31] <yofel> endler: odd, I don't have wobblywindows enabled but I do have cover switch enabled and it works
[00:32] <endler> Yeah, wobblywindows is not enabled by default, so maybe it didn't get tested
[00:32] <trash80> yofel, and you dropped in a wrong channel
[00:33] <yofel> hm, enabling it seems to run fine
[00:33] <yofel> trash80: this is the lucid support channel, he just said that he had kwin running in 9.10 after i made the wrong assumption that those effects were only part of compiz
[00:34] <endler> get: Effect  "kwin4_effect_wobblywindows"  is not supported
[00:34] <endler> But doesn't say why
[00:34] <LordKow> well great CDBS is ignoring my DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in rules
[00:36] <yofel> endler: then I'm out of ideas, maybe ask again later if someone else had a better idea, or as a last resort ask in #kubuntu-devel if they have an idea
[00:39] <lucivu> endler: you are at lucid so you should have wobbly windows
[00:39] <MTughan> lucivu: Depends on the GPU in use.
[00:40] <lucivu> endler: unless your card/driver does not support it
[00:40] <lucivu> MTughan: sure
[00:40] <endler> I'm using the nvidia 195.36.15 drivers
[00:41] <endler> with 9800gt
[00:41] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C..
[00:41] <lucivu> endler: then it shud
[00:41] <MTughan> endler: What does "glxinfo | grep direct" say?
[00:42] <endler> direct rendering: Yes
[00:42] <endler>     GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
[00:43] <lucivu> endler: am guessing you got the err msg when setting it up in systemsettings?
[00:44] <lucivu> endler: am using 1295.36.15 here with 7300 card and wobbly works fine
[00:44] <endler> No error message.
[00:44] <lucivu> *195
[00:45] <lucivu> endler: ? where did u get that message?
[00:45] <bsharitt> I used to USB startup disk creator to make a 10.04 beta 2 usb bootable drive. It's taking about 45-60 minutes to actually boot to where I can start the install. Is that a know issue?
[00:45] <endler> from xsession error log
[00:46] <lucivu> endler: when u move a window.. does it wobble?
[00:46] <endler> kdesktop effects are unstable in general when set to opengl
[00:46] <endler> work fine with xrender.
[00:47] <endler> but opengl itself loads fine with no errors and works except for with kwin
[00:50] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C..
[00:50] <_stryk3r> Okay so, I've been having problems with my wifi. It drops once and a while and the speed is nowhere near what it should be. How can I check for problems?
[00:51] <lucivu> endler: sorry but i just installed nv drivers and enable effects and that's it.  plain vanilla setup nothing fancy
[00:52] <endler> Well, everything worked fine for me too with 9.10 and opengl kwin effects with nvidia 190 drivers
[00:53] <Gartral> _stryk3r: it sounds like firmware too me, what wifi card you have'?
[00:53] <endler> Went bad after upgrade to 10.04 and nvidia 195 drivers
[00:53] <_stryk3r> Gartral, I am not sure, Its just a toshiba laptop, how can I check?
[00:53] <yofel> Gartral: if nobody can help you at the moment, you could ask in #ubuntu-bugs what to file a bug against, if nobody is there at the moment file a bug against the kernel with 'ubuntu-bug linux' so we at least get some hardware info and logs from your pc
[00:54] <lucivu> endler: not sure but nouveau* and other nv drivers maybe conflicting
[00:54] <Gartral> _stryk3r: sudo lshw | grep wire
[00:54] <yofel> if nouveau is loaded he should end up in low graphics mode as nvidia will fail to load
[00:55] <lucivu> endler: i have to get rid of nouveau*, all modalias* drivers
[00:55] <yofel> lucivu: huh? nouveau shold get blacklisted by the nvidia driver now, no need to remove it
[00:55] <_stryk3r> Gartral, http://pastebin.org/152949
[00:55] <lucivu> endler: all i have left is the xserver-xorg-video-nv and the NV proprietery drivers
[00:55] <mrwes> partial updates should be avoided, correct?
[00:56] <yofel> mrwes: unless you know what you're doing right
[00:56] <lucivu> yofel: why leave it there when you don't need it?
[00:56] <endler> lucivu, no conflics with nouveau.  Drivers are working fine in general.  Only issue is with opengl/kwin.  I know people have been having problems with conficts, but that is is with getting the drivers to load properly at all
[00:57] <yofel> mrwes: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434
[00:57] <mrwes> yofel: Ok, thought so, should work itself out in a day or so?
[00:57] <lucivu> mrwes: there is no such thing as partial update..what does it buy you?  just the big Disaster
[00:57] <mrwes> lucivu, sure there is
[00:57] <yofel> mrwes: usually yes, but see the forum post for the more accurate explenation
[00:57] <lucivu> mrwes: like what?
[00:57] <mrwes> ok, thanks
[00:58] <Gartral> _stryk3r: atheros.. it's a firmware issue..
[00:58] <mrwes> yoasif, interesting thread :)
[00:58] <mrwes> er yofel  I mean
[00:59] <mrwes> lucivu, Update Manager is reporting this:  Update Manager Offers a "Partial Upgrade"
[00:59] <_stryk3r> Gartral, I see, and by firmware issue what do you mean exactly?
[00:59] <lucivu> mrwes: wud you like a slice of your pizza while the rest are in the oven?
[00:59] <yofel> lucivu: lol, that sounds ridiculous but actually makes sense :D
[01:00] <mrwes> lucivu, nah..I prefer my pizza whole and would rather cut my own slices
[01:00] <mrwes> :)
[01:00] <lucivu> mrwes: exactly..that's why 'partial update' is crap
[01:00] <mrwes> lucivu, I understand the partial upgrade, I just was unsure of the risks of doing so
[01:01] <mrwes> understood
[01:01] <funkyHat> The "broadcast accounts" window keeps popping up unrequested ⢁(
[01:01] <funkyHat> It comes in pairs too
[01:01] <yofel> mrwes: it might remove necessary packages at random due to a wrong resolved package conflict and leave you with a possibly broken system
[01:02] <funkyHat> yofel: that's pretty unlikely though
[01:02] <mrwes> yofel, Ok, I remember coming across this with a previous beta upgrade
[01:02] <yofel> it might be unlikely, but it's *possible*, that's why I said: don't make a partial upgrade unless you know what you're doing
[01:02] <mawst> I like that Ubuntu theme for Empathy man I want it in blue though.
[01:02] <mawst> :D
[01:03] <funkyHat> I think it's just css and stuff, so you could probably modify it pretty easily
[01:03] <mrwes> RC is still on schedule for the 22nd?
[01:04] <funkyHat> Yes
[01:08] <mawst> I'll look into that.
[01:08] <mawst> Must be Gecko then
[01:09] <lucivu> yofel: if you know then you would nver do partial..as simple as that pizza analogy..you just have to wait when all r ready
[01:09] <mawst> Or I wonder if it's something else
[01:10] <mawst> Webkit maybe
[01:10] <marienz> the partial upgrades I got removed a wine-related font package and installed new kernels and wine.
[01:11] <endler> actually, I don't think I get any xsession errors.  The wobbly windows not supported thing is from switching back to xrender after opengl doesn't work.
[01:11] <endler> xrender doesn't support it
[01:11] <bjsnider> just do a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade instead of a partial upgrade
[01:11] <endler> one of the reason I'd rather use opengl
[01:13] <lucivu> endler: so you are wobbly now?  :)
[01:15] <endler> lucivu, no, I just meant that the message saying wobbly isn't supported was from switching back to xrender which works fine but just doesn't support wobbly
[01:17] <ninjai_> has anyone had problems with rhythmbox detecting certain mp3 players? Is there any way I can make it recognize my Cowon D2? Ubuntu finds and mounts it fine otherwise...
[01:19] <joneslee85> is gnome-icon-theme 2.30 missing?
[01:20] <yofel> seems so, maybe it was forgotten as we  don't use it anyway I think
[01:20] <lucivu> endler: do you have a custom xorg.conf?
[01:21] <Kajros> Has anyone tried Lucid on VMWare?
[01:21] <FFForever> Anyone notice the network icon in the top right is missing with the last few rounds of updates
[01:21] <lucivu> endler: mine is just the plain one created by the NV install
[01:21] <FFForever> (system says nm-applet is running_
[01:21] <yofel> joneslee85: check if there's a bug filed against it on launchpad
[01:22] <yofel> joneslee85: and maybe ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <FFForever> An instance of nm-applet is already running.
[01:22] <endler> You are using the NV driver and not the nvidia driver?
[01:22] <lucivu> Kajros: using vbox right now..no vmware
[01:23] <Kajros> Using VMWare Workstation 7
[01:23] <lucivu> endler: NV 195.36.15
[01:23] <DanaG> weird... when I create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d..... everything breaks.
[01:23] <DanaG> It seems to decide that "oh, I have configuration in /etc.... screw everything else!"
[01:24] <DanaG> (and ignores /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/0
[01:25] <Kajros1> I hate mIRC....Last thing I typed I said I was using VMWare Workstation 7
[01:25] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577769
[01:29] <BluesKaj> .0..-*0*/0-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000--
[01:29] <BluesKaj> -
[01:32] <BlkDrgn> hello all, im having an issue that i was wondering if anyone else was having too, #ubuntu-bugs seems to be dead atm
[01:32] <BlkDrgn> i downloaded and burned to disk the 10.04 beta 2 today, and i cannot boot into it, eithor by "try first" or "install".. was hoping someone else expierenced this too
[01:34] <MTughan> DanaG: You throw planes at stuff?
[01:35] <Guest51098> hey, anyway to get the same effect that gnome-session-remove gnome-panel
[01:35] <Guest51098>  does in 10.04?
[01:36] <coz_> Guest51098,  you mean gnome-shell?
[01:36] <Guest51098> I dunno, that's what I found that removes the menu bar
[01:36] <Guest51098> I'm trying to replace it because I use a dock
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  I believe you can still use a dock with gnome-shell
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  I havent tired recently though
[01:37] <Guest51098> sorry, I have the dock, but I want to get rid of the old menu bar
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  the last panel you mean
[01:37] <Guest51098> the one that is on the top that allows you to access apps, admin, etc.
[01:37] <Guest51098> I think
[01:37] <Guest51098> to me it was the only panel
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  right   the only way ... without breaking stuff is to install gnome-shell  for the ppa
[01:38] <coz_> I havent tried gnome-shell on lucid however
[01:38] <coz_> Guest51098,  or put the panel  on autohide
[01:38] <Guest51098> I have it on autohide but it still peeks through
[01:38] <Guest51098> it's kinda ugly :-P
[01:38] <coz_> and set background color to complete transparency
[01:38] <coz_> Guest51098,  yeah I know
[01:38] <Guest51098> lol
[01:39] <coz_> Guest51098, but removing the last panel has been a issue for several versions of ubuntu / gnome
[01:39] <Guest51098> I get gnome-shell from the software center?
[01:39] <Guest51098> yeah, the instructional i found was for 8.whatever
[01:39] <coz_> Guest51098,  I think there is a developer ppa for gnome-shell let me check
[01:40] <Guest51098> thanks, I also do not know what a PPA is -__-
[01:40] <BlkDrgn> anyone know where i can find help with 10.04 not booting?
[01:41] <coz_> Guest51098,  PPA = personal package archive
[01:41] <coz_> Guest51098,    http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/18
[01:41] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: check the cd md5 etc
[01:42] <coz_> Guest51098,  to run gnome-shell after installing   from either terminal with  gnome-shell --replace & disown  or from alt+F2  gnome-shell --replace
[01:42] <Guest51098> how do you make it so those commands run at starttime
[01:43] <Guest51098> also, any books that might be at a library on Linux/Debian/Gnome anyone knows of?
[01:43] <holstein> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <coz_> Guest51098,  i think you can set that in startup applications  not sure though
[01:43] <BluesKaj> sorry folks ...forgot I was still logged in , started cleaning the KB
[01:43] <holstein> E: Broken packages
[01:43] <BlkDrgn> i downloaded direct from ubuntu.com  both x86 and x64.. neithor will boot in.. freezes during load with eithor the "try first" or the "install" options
[01:43] <coz_> holstein,  sudo apt-get install -f
[01:43] <Guest51098> I tried doing some terminal commands but they didnt work...
[01:43] <holstein> coz_: what WHAT!
[01:43]  * holstein trying
[01:44] <mawst> How do I evoke that non free driver dialog?
[01:44] <Guest51098> I hate saying it because it seems like heresay, but I haven't been wowed by Ubuntu and found it very buggy so far
[01:44] <Guest51098> even when I ran 9.10
[01:44] <coz_> holstein,  you have missing dependecies   so you type   sudo apt-get install -f
[01:44] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: and have you checked the cd's?
[01:44] <coz_> Guest51098,  mm  interesting   I dont see many bugs  in karmic  but they are to be expected in lucid
[01:44] <Guest51098> like right now all of a sudden I can install updates
[01:44] <BlkDrgn> not exactly sure what to look for
[01:44] <Guest51098> and I ran su in the terminal
[01:44] <Guest51098> someone on the forums told me my hardware wasn't good for Ubuntu
[01:45] <holstein> coz_: i got the same result
[01:45] <Guest51098> it's fine for XP though
[01:45] <coz_> holstein,  mm
[01:45] <Guest51098> I just wanted a lighter OS
[01:45] <holstein> its been that way for a few weeks
[01:45] <Guest51098> anyway, I have class so I'm out
[01:45] <Guest51098> thanks for all the help
[01:45] <coz_> mawst,   I believe the command sould be   /usr/bin/jockey-gtk
[01:46] <coz_> holstein,  do a sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  and also make sure you repositories are all open
[01:46] <mawst> Thanks coz_
[01:47] <gorgonzola> join #ubuntu
[01:47] <coz_> mawst,  no problem
[01:48] <coz_> holstein,  did you use this link to try it? http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/18?dist=karmic  there are pacakges there for both lucid and karmic
[01:48] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[01:49] <ninjai_> Can someone please tell me how I can map this: "echo $1 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/asus\:\:kbd_backlight/brightness
[01:49] <ninjai_> " to the xev output I get? that command (given $1 cmd input) increases and decreases brightness on my keyboard backlight.  The keys do not function, other than giving me key codes in xev
[01:49] <holstein> i'll try that ppa coz_
[01:49] <BlkDrgn> i cant find the 10.04 hashes anywhere
[01:49] <ninjai_> sorry for long post
[01:49] <holstein> i added myself to the bug
[01:49] <EvilEpoch> hello all
[01:50] <EvilEpoch> I am running 10.04 64bit, and am getting a loader error about not finding the stdc++ lib, so i went to /usr/lib32 and symlinked the versioned lib to just libstdc++.so but the loader is still complaining
[01:50] <EvilEpoch> is theres something im missing regarding 32bit vs 64bit perhaps
[01:50] <coz_> holstein,  if that doesn work try this ppa
[01:50] <coz_> https://launchpad.net/~vperetokin/+archive/unofficial-gnome-shell
[01:51] <EvilEpoch> actually lemme try something
[01:52] <EvilEpoch> ahh indeed the EvilEpoch was mistaken and has figured it out
[01:52] <holstein> coz_: i guess i could just poke around and see if libgjs0 is in that PPA
[01:52] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[01:53] <BlkDrgn> ty
[01:54] <BlkDrgn> iso md5 checks as same
[01:55] <BlkDrgn> and the "check cd for defects" menu option end clear too (already checked that)
[01:55] <coz_> holstein,  that second ppa is the one that works
[01:55] <coz_> holstein,  so remove the first one and add the repostories from the second link
[01:56] <nomnomnode> flash on ubuntu is a disgrace
[01:56] <g33kergRL> this is only for thunderbird?
[01:56] <nomnomnode> both karmic and lucid, it's worse than it ever was
[01:56] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode: r u talking about flashvideo viewers?
[01:57] <nomnomnode> flashplugin
[01:57] <g33kergRL> to watch things like youtube?
[01:57] <BlkDrgn> for reference.. 9.10 runs just fine
[01:57] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: and the burnt cd?
[01:57] <nomnomnode> g33kergRL, yep
[01:57] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode: then i agree
[01:57] <g33kergRL> completely
[01:57] <BlkDrgn> i didnt check the md5 on it..
[01:57] <nomnomnode> regularly buttons just don't respond
[01:57] <nomnomnode> or it crashes randomly
[01:58] <nomnomnode> and hogs CPU sometimes
[01:58] <g33kergRL> i had to download and update 328 MB of whatever but now it works
[01:58] <nomnomnode> flash?
[01:58] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: so the cd could still be faulty
[01:58] <BlkDrgn> is there a way to check it without having to reboot to run the check again?
[01:58] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode:  tbh, it was just a general update
[01:58] <Odd-rationale> There is already an extensive bug report on the flash issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/410407
[01:59] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode: i just installed 804
[01:59] <g33kergRL> like 2 hours ago
[01:59] <nomnomnode> Ubuntu 8.04?
[01:59] <g33kergRL> yes
[01:59] <g33kergRL> 910 didn't even have soudn
[02:00] <nomnomnode> ah that's kinda old
[02:00] <BlkDrgn> do i need to dump an iso from my cd?
[02:00] <g33kergRL> but stable
[02:00] <nomnomnode> but yeah, 9.10 had regresses
[02:00] <g33kergRL> regresses? r u french?
[02:00] <nomnomnode> nope
[02:00] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: no read that page above
[02:00] <nomnomnode> regressions..
[02:01] <nomnomnode> or going backwards? :P
[02:01] <nomnomnode> bugs getting unfixed :P
[02:01] <g33kergRL> i'll get 910 when its LTS
[02:01] <nomnomnode> 10.04 is LTS
[02:01] <g33kergRL> hmm
[02:02] <nomnomnode> the lucid release that is
[02:02] <g33kergRL> oh well, it works now, it took me 4 days with 4 hour per night of sleep, to install it, so ...
[02:02] <robin0800> g33kergRL: april 29th
[02:02] <nomnomnode> yeah
[02:03] <g33kergRL> robin0800: ??????
[02:04] <robin0800> g33kergRL: when its suposed to be released
[02:04] <g33kergRL> what does lts even mean
[02:05] <yofel> !lts
[02:05] <nomnomnode> Odd-rationale, thanks for that bug report link, I'm trying the third workaround
[02:05] <nomnomnode> also installing an update.. there's one again..
[02:05] <g33kergRL> !terminal
[02:05] <robin0800> g33kergRL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=LucidLynxSchedule
[02:07] <g33kergRL> k
[02:07] <g33kergRL> !wine
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> nomnomnode: it works for me...
[02:07] <g33kergRL> is there a central list of apps that can run in Wine?
[02:07] <holstein> coz_: nah
[02:08] <holstein> its not going to be an easy fix
[02:08] <coz_> holstein, ok
[02:08] <holstein> and its not included by default
[02:08] <holstein> SO, its probably WAY down the list
[02:08] <holstein> understandably so
[02:08] <nomnomnode> Odd-rationale, seems to work here too :)
[02:08] <nomnomnode> awesome
[02:08]  * holstein will try the first PPA too though
[02:10] <g33kergRL> what is so cool about ubuntu, is that i could chat on IR
[02:10] <g33kergRL> what is so cool about ubuntu, is that i could chat on IRC while installing hardy804 ...
[02:10] <BlkDrgn> ok.. iso made from my cd matches the md5 of the iso that matches the md5 listed on the site..
[02:10] <nomnomnode> yeah I love that too :)
[02:10] <g33kergRL> some dude talked me all the way thru it, when i ran it off an usb
[02:11] <BlkDrgn> so my next step to find why it wont boot past loading would be?
[02:11] <g33kergRL> not a liveCD but a LiveUSB install
[02:11] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: which cd is it?
[02:12] <ibkanat> how do I slow down my mouse in Lucid???
[02:12] <ibkanat> the panel does do enough
[02:12] <BlkDrgn> ubuntu-10.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:13] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: so thats a live cd
[02:13] <BlkDrgn> i guess lol
[02:14] <holstein> coz_: http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/18?dist=karmic works
[02:14] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: try an alternate cd easier to turn things off!
[02:14] <holstein> WELL, its letting me install at least
[02:14] <coz_> holstein, ok cool
[02:14] <holstein> theres a lot more packages in there though
[02:15] <ibkanat> xset m 1/2 doesnt help either
[02:15] <BlkDrgn> what makes the alternate different from the live?
[02:15] <holstein> coz_: thanks
[02:16] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: imho easier to use
[02:16] <ibkanat> anyone anyone??
[02:16] <z0rt> it's painted red, so it goes faster
[02:17] <ibkanat> z0rt??
[02:18] <BlkDrgn> ill give it a try as long as its not deminished in any form
[02:20] <z0rt> BlkDrgn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[02:20] <z0rt> scroll down to alternate, it tells you what is different :)
[02:21] <BlkDrgn> i never had a problem with any other release
[02:23] <yofel> the alternate disk uses the text-mode debian installed instead of the live session installer
[02:23] <yofel> *installer
[02:23] <BlkDrgn> i see.. so my issue might just be the installer and not the installation
[02:23] <yofel> BlkDrgn: and did you try a daily live disk?
[02:23] <BlkDrgn> daily live disc?
[02:24] <yofel> !daily
[02:24] <yofel> as beta2 is a bit old by now
[02:26] <ninjai_> is it possible to install encrypted lvm after my lucid install is already completed?
[02:27] <BlkDrgn> ill try the alt first.. and if that works then i think ill be good
[02:28] <denis-k> wow im getting atleast 5% more battery life to 10% in lucid, great job :)
[02:28] <z0rt> isn't it great!?
[02:29] <Zelda> Hello Everyone.
[02:29] <z0rt> hi!
[02:29] <denis-k> z0rt: yea
[02:30] <denis-k> and im so happy mark decided to be lenient to move the X window button to the corner
[02:30] <denis-k> would of been a disaster as far as editor/user reviews
[02:30] <denis-k> (the other way around)
[02:31] <denis-k>  /old way
[02:32] <Zelda> Hey where do I get the other backgrounds for Lucid. I dont have the rocks and the frog pic anymore... they are different ones.
[02:32] <ChogyDan> Has the shutdown button been moved to the left?  It would seem more consistent that way
[02:32] <denis-k> ChogyDan: no, how would it make it more consistent?
[02:33] <denis-k> then you would end up moving the gnome menu to the right ?
[02:33] <ChogyDan> denis-k: both on the left, right?
[02:33] <Zelda> I hate the way they moved the close buttons on the left.. its lame.
[02:33] <Zelda> I changed it back to the right.
[02:33] <denis-k> its not THAT bad...
[02:33] <Zelda> yes it is.
[02:33] <denis-k> easier to get used to from the other way..
[02:33] <denis-k> whatever
[02:34] <Zelda> not.
[02:34] <Zelda> its horrible. its like being told shes a virgin and she isnt.
[02:34] <Zelda> hahah
[02:34] <z0rt> sacrebleu!
[02:34] <Zelda> could you get used to that?
[02:34] <denis-k> yeah...ok
[02:34] <Zelda> hahahah
[02:34] <Zelda> crokie!
[02:35] <denis-k> thats a stupid relation
[02:35] <denis-k> lol
[02:35] <z0rt> i do not see how pseudo-virginity and x-window buttons correlate m8
[02:35] <denis-k> nothing to do with holes
[02:35] <Jordan_U> My father upgraded from karmic to lucid and didn't even notice there had been a change, I think people make far too much of it.
[02:35] <Zelda> Its lame..
[02:35] <Zelda> thats the correlation.
[02:35] <Zelda> I changed the theme and stuff already.
[02:35] <denis-k> no, the old order was lame
[02:36] <Zelda> whatever.. spock
[02:36] <denis-k> if you don't like it, change it, end of story,
[02:36] <z0rt> it's purple now
[02:36] <Zelda> er denis
[02:36] <z0rt> deal with it
[02:36] <Zelda> I like the purple
[02:36] <Zelda> dont like the buttons on the left though.
[02:36] <denis-k> k lets stop the liking and not liking...you can just change everything anyway
[02:36] <Zelda> yeah I know. I did already.
[02:36] <denis-k> its takes some more work
[02:36] <Tekno> its like "de facto" buttons are on the right
[02:36] <Tekno> but they changed it -,-
[02:36] <Zelda> I like the purple alot better then the brown/orange it usually is.
[02:37] <denis-k> yeah, atleast its sort of more 'lively'
[02:37] <denis-k> omg, my profs windows laptop is gonna do a auto reboot in 14min, she better not notice
[02:37] <denis-k> lol
[02:37] <Zelda> they also made it alot easier to install things and the "software center" is awesome
[02:38] <denis-k> ive actually never looked at the software center
[02:38] <z0rt> i still use command line for everything
[02:38] <denis-k> i like the music store though
[02:38] <Zelda> its cool. Its like the synaptic package manager, but easier to read.
[02:38] <Zelda> haha and find stuff
[02:38] <denis-k> dayum...its nicer now
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> I never plan on using the muzak store
[02:39] <denis-k> nobody does, but atleast its a source of revenue
[02:39] <denis-k> or most 'power users' wont ...
[02:39] <Zelda> I got a myTouch3g the other day, and I love it. Ubuntu recognizes it right off the bat. Its awesome.
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> But that can be the start of a bad trend. what next.. ads on the bootsplash? :)
[02:39] <denis-k> it knows my dream (android phone) too
[02:40] <z0rt> i have a palm pre and it's like my netbook and pre have always been best friends
[02:40] <Zelda> Ive got to get my phone "rooted"
[02:40] <z0rt> it's really easy
[02:41] <denis-k> i hate you
[02:41] <z0rt> hate is a strong word m8
[02:41] <denis-k> mines unrootable (stupid provider update blocked root)
[02:41] <z0rt> ouch
[02:41] <denis-k> never get an update from your provider..
[02:41] <denis-k> ever
[02:41] <z0rt> unless it's webOS
[02:41] <denis-k> because you dont know what it'll do... :(
[02:41] <denis-k> android>webos
[02:42] <z0rt> says the guy without ssh access to his phone!
[02:42] <denis-k> theres an app for that
[02:42] <denis-k> haha
[02:42] <z0rt> haha
[02:42] <denis-k> (and im not kidding)
[02:42] <denis-k> and RDP
[02:43] <denis-k> and snes roms
[02:43] <denis-k> but thats completely unrelated :P
[02:43] <z0rt> pre has that too
[02:43] <denis-k> well i guess webos and android are pretty close...its just which one will get more popular first..
[02:43] <z0rt|mobile> and did I mention irc?
[02:44] <denis-k> i have an app for that too
[02:44] <denis-k> and for skype
[02:44] <Zelda> hahah denis youre a moron
[02:44] <Zelda> hahah
[02:44] <Zelda> I just read the "theres an app for that"
[02:44] <Zelda> hahaha
[02:44]  * z0rt|mobile highfives denis
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Got a weird flickering now on my Other PC with a nvidia card.
[02:44] <denis-k> how am i moron....
[02:44] <denis-k> im just copying apple
[02:44] <Zelda> yeah i know.
[02:44] <denis-k> i dont have an iphone, your a moron
[02:44] <Zelda> its a figure of speech.
[02:44] <denis-k> >.>
[02:44] <Zelda> I dont think your a real moron.
[02:44] <Zelda> hahah
[02:45] <Zelda> but wait, let me guess, theres an app for that to?
[02:45] <Zelda> I have the myTouch3g 1.2 kit.
[02:45] <Zelda> I have fw 1.6.
[02:45]  * Dr_Willis charges Zelda  $5 to download an app to get a reply.
[02:45] <Zelda> Is it worth "rooting?"?
[02:46] <denis-k> no idea, never rooted
[02:46] <z0rt|mobile> if I ever got an apple device I would jailbreak it asap
[02:46] <denis-k> you can do more stuff rooted tho
[02:46] <Zelda> yeah I figured that.
[02:46] <denis-k> even install debian/ubuntu
[02:46] <Zelda> hm.
[02:46] <z0rt|mobile> install slackware on your coffee maker
[02:46] <Zelda> haha
[02:47] <Zelda> that would be interesting. .. Come ON Mr. Coffee...
[02:47] <Zelda> hahah
[02:47] <Zelda> "All Your Base, Belong to Us."
[02:48] <z0rt|mobile> kernel panic: out of beans
[02:48] <denis-k> i should pay attention to my programming prof...
[02:48]  * denis-k shuts off screen
[02:49] <Zelda> Hey is there a folder on the live cd where all the background pics are?
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> proberly /usr/share/backgrounds or similer.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> once you got it booted up
[02:51] <Zelda> OK cool. Ill look
[02:56] <Zelda> ^maybe he got caught screwing off in class
[02:56] <Zelda> haha
[02:56] <denis-k> nah
[02:56] <denis-k> i was testing my hotkeys and pressed sleep
[02:56] <denis-k> sound hot keys dont work anymore in lucid
[02:56] <denis-k> or wifi
[02:56] <LordKow> the getting caught hotkey
[02:56] <Zelda> well that sucks.
[02:56] <Zelda> What brand?
[02:56] <denis-k> but atleast turn off display works, and didn't work before
[02:57] <denis-k> eee1005ha / asus netbook
[02:57] <Zelda> oh nice.
[02:57] <denis-k> yeah, they gots a new eee with an HD chip :D
[02:58] <Zelda> heh.
[02:59]  * DanaG would never get an iphone.
[03:00] <DanaG> I don't like the idea of having to "jailbreak" a thing.
[03:00] <DanaG> Just the fact that it's called that... implies something about the spirit of the device and company.
[03:01] <DanaG> Could not load image 'warty-final-ubuntu.png'.
[03:01] <DanaG> Fatal error reading PNG image file: Not a PNG file
[03:03] <denis-k> how about a phone you have to 'root'?
[03:03] <denis-k> haha
[03:03] <Zelda> I have one.
[03:04] <Zelda> <--- me me me!
[03:07] <LordKow> i think canonicals best marketing technique should be to prepend 'u' to all of their products :P
[03:08] <LordKow> uphone!
[03:08] <LordKow> okay there is a reason im not into marketing.
[03:10] <ninjai_> anyone know if its possible to use lvm encryption after ubuntu is installed?
[03:12] <Zelda> yeah, there is a reason that you arent into marketing :)
[03:12] <Zelda> you rendered everyone speechless.
[03:12] <valorie> has there been any movement on the sound issue for those of us who have lost sound?
[03:12] <Random832> so...
[03:12] <valorie> I checked the bug, but nothing there
[03:12] <Zelda> sounds like a sound plan to me.
[03:13] <Random832> installer doesn't make cylinder-aligned partitions - there's like 5MB of free space between each partition for no reason
[03:13] <Zelda> :)
[03:13] <Random832> screwed me up (since on my laptop i have to use lilo)
[03:13] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/558910
[03:13] <valorie> Zelda: you're killing me
[03:13] <valorie> 3 or 4 days without sound now
[03:13] <valorie> except the sound of my fan.....
[03:14] <Random832> I mean, I anticipated a difficult install process (this is take 3), but still
[03:14] <Zelda> LOL! :)
[03:15] <valorie> argh, and crimsun isn't around tonight either
[03:15] <ChogyDan> valorie: maybe try the daily livecd? see if it is still there
[03:16] <Zelda> do you have the partner sources checked?
[03:16] <valorie> I've update/upgraded 4 or 5 times today already
[03:16] <Zelda> I had to do that for a few things to get to work.
[03:16]  * valorie goes to look at source list
[03:19] <kubuku_> hmm. no sound problem here..updating daily..
[03:19] <Zelda> I havent had a sound issue either.
[03:20] <valorie> a few of us have, however
[03:20] <valorie> putting in my liveCD from the 4th -- no problems!
[03:20] <valorie> even in the TTY, using music123 -- no sound
[03:21] <valorie> booting from the previous kernel
[03:21] <valorie> etc.
[03:21] <valorie> I can't think of anything else to try
[03:22] <kubuku_> interesting..have you checked in systemsettings? test card?
[03:22] <denis-k> what the.....
[03:22] <holstein> valorie: whats alsamixer show?
[03:22] <Zelda> thats wouldnt make sense, if it works with previous versions.
[03:23] <Zelda> blacklisted?
[03:23] <denis-k> whats the difference when the the wifi icon is 'connecting' and it lights the lines up and down and when it only lights up, upwards
[03:23] <valorie> something happened a few days ago, and i can only assume an update of one sort or another
[03:23] <Zelda> yeah maybe they blacklisted your sound card.
[03:24] <valorie> oh rats, now kpackagekit is frozen
[03:24] <valorie> geez
[03:24]  * valorie goes back to good old synaptic
[03:25] <denis-k> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:25] <valorie> kubuntu
[03:25] <denis-k> :P
[03:25]  * holstein has experienced broken sound in KDE and not gnome
[03:25] <voss749> KDE lost me at 4.x
[03:25] <holstein> somehow
[03:26] <valorie> well, synaptic now offers to upgrade x.org
[03:26] <valorie> so perhaps.....
[03:26] <valorie> dunno though
[03:27] <Random832> MOTHERF*************!
[03:27] <denis-k> no you.
[03:27] <Random832> I redid my partitions _BY HAND_, so the installer wouldn't screw them up
[03:27] <Zelda> I dont use KDE i cant help. Im running Gnome
[03:27] <Random832> and it still did it!
[03:28] <denis-k> nice
[03:28] <denis-k> did you misclick the '/' part or something?
[03:28] <Random832> no it made the partitions not cylinder-aligned
[03:29] <Random832> maybe i didn't save the thing
[03:29]  * denis-k walks away slow because he doesn't know what that means
[03:29] <denis-k> you did it in gparted?
[03:30] <Random832> no, i used the installer
[03:30] <denis-k> oh..
[03:30] <denis-k> i dont think the installer saves
[03:30] <denis-k> it applies/saves right after you do it
[03:30] <Zelda> guess whos back?
[03:30] <Zelda> hah
[03:30] <valorie> I filed a bug about that
[03:31] <denis-k> after you change something in the partitions
[03:31] <valorie> but they didn't accept it
[03:31] <Zelda> yeah its not a bug.
[03:31] <valorie> said to file it in launchpad
[03:31] <valorie> hell yes it's a bug
[03:31] <valorie> I had to use the alternate installer
[03:31] <Random832> denis-k: the problem is i didn't _touch_ anything in the installer
[03:31] <z0rt> oh dear
[03:31] <denis-k> breaking news: you file bugs in launchpad
[03:31] <Random832> i must not have saved when i fixed it manually, so it was still picking up the old broken layout, that's all i can think of
[03:32] <valorie> well, it went to bugs.kde.org
[03:32] <denis-k> O_o
[03:32] <Zelda> "Check out the brain on Random832"
[03:32] <valorie> and evidently they can't move them to launchpad
[03:32] <Zelda> :)
[03:32] <valorie> to me, that's a bug TOO
[03:32] <Random832> Zelda: it's still a bug in the first place
[03:32] <Random832> i shouldn't have _had_ to fix them by hand
[03:32] <Zelda> depends on your definition of "bug"
[03:33] <denis-k> i did my partitions by 'hand'/from installer too
[03:33] <denis-k> it worked fine for me
[03:33] <Zelda> so did I.
[03:33] <denis-k> i still have 9.10 working fine..
[03:33] <denis-k> 10.04 is alot better for me in terms of stability and speed, but thats on my netbook
[03:34] <z0rt> sup netbook 10.04 buddy
[03:34] <Zelda> I need a lump sum of cash...
[03:34] <Zelda> anyone know where I can get that?
[03:34] <MTecknology> When I plug in an external drive, dmesg shows me that the drive and partitions are detected. I have pcmanfm installed and I want the new device to show up there so I can click and auto-mount the partition. The way I'm doing it now I have to drop to cli and manually mkdir && mount. What do I need to do for that to work?
[03:34] <IdleOne> Zelda: a job?
[03:34] <Zelda> ...
[03:34] <Zelda> I was looking for J.G. Wentworth...
[03:34] <denis-k> lump..sum? sell drugs
[03:34] <denis-k> or maybe not
[03:34] <Zelda> Its your money, use it when you need it.
[03:35] <valorie> here is my alsamixer: http://imagebin.org/93240
[03:35] <z0rt> sell ubuntu livecds
[03:35] <z0rt> no wait give them out free
[03:36] <denis-k> im gonna make a live cd collection :)
[03:36] <valorie> anybody know alsamixer well enough to tell me if anything looks wrong there?
[03:37] <kubuku_> kmix shud be enough for kubuntu
[03:37] <kubuku_> check if it's muted
[03:37] <valorie> sometimes it shows as muted, but unmuting does nothing
[03:37] <valorie> nothing muted now.....\
[03:37] <kubuku_> does your system wide no sound?
[03:38] <valorie> not a peep anywhere
[03:38] <valorie> not even in TTY
[03:38] <valorie> or on startup
[03:38] <valorie> for days now
[03:38] <valorie> running from liveCD, I have sound
[03:39] <valorie> Random832: I was unable to save my /home from the plain LiveCD
[03:39] <kubuku_> sometimes the drivers not loaded properly or some stuff conflicts like tv tuners
[03:39] <valorie> it was going to over-write no matter what
[03:39] <valorie> so I had to use the alternate installer
[03:40] <valorie> kubuku_: everything worked fine for 10 days
[03:40] <valorie> then: nothing
[03:41] <valorie> except sometimes an odd click or something when it should be starting to play something
[03:41] <valorie> it is def. software related
[03:41] <Random832> valorie: i backed up my /home before i even booted into it
[03:41] <valorie> because sound works when I run from the liveCD
[03:41] <Random832> since i just wanted to wipe everything
[03:41] <valorie> ah
[03:41] <valorie> well, I didn't
[03:42] <Random832> at this point i'm fully committed - if i don't make this work, i get no computer at all
[03:42] <valorie> wanted to wipe everything but windows and /home
[03:42] <valorie> and alternate let me do that
[03:45] <kubuku_> valorie: can't think of anything else..but lately there is a new device called jack audio connection kit. make sure it's not the default?
[03:46] <valorie> it is not
[03:46] <maco> JACK is for professional audio stuff
[03:46] <valorie> it used to be able to at least test it though
[03:46] <valorie> now it gives nothing just like everything else in the sound config
[03:47] <valorie> my cards are listed on top
[03:47] <valorie> pulseaudio is gone
[03:47] <kubuku_> pulseaudio seems replaced by that jack audio
[03:48] <valorie> no -- I've had good luck with PA before now
[03:48] <valorie> but blew it away just in case that was the problem
[03:48] <valorie> I can always reinstall it
[03:49] <valorie> but in any case, without sound I'm not much good to Amarok devels
[03:49] <CarlFK> using beta1 +upgrade: open some window (like shell), apps, accessories, take screenshot,grab the current window, Take Screenshot = no screen shot.
[03:49] <valorie> so this suchs
[03:49] <valorie> sucks
[03:49] <kubuku_> i remember before I have to install alsa-base to get sound from amarok
[03:49] <valorie> I just got a screenshot with ksnapshot
[03:49] <CarlFK> the 'take screenshot' window closes, and I don't get prompted for where to save
[03:50] <valorie> alsa-base is installed
[03:50] <valorie> here is my alsamixer: http://imagebin.org/93240
[03:50] <CarlFK> valorie:  stock ubuntu uses gnome-screenshot
[03:50] <valorie> just took that screenshot a few mins ago
[03:51] <valorie> right, but I use kubuntu
[03:51] <Zelda> dude! I cant close this stupid window!
[03:51] <CarlFK> valorie: did you select "grab the current window" ?
[03:51]  * holstein thought maybe PCM was turned down
[03:51] <valorie> no, region of window
[03:51] <holstein> during an update or something
[03:52] <CarlFK> that worked for me too.  grab the current window  is the problem
[03:52] <valorie> well, I don't know much about alsamixer
[03:52] <valorie> does anything seem wrong there?
[03:52] <Jordan_U> valorie: speaker is muted
[03:52] <Jordan_U> valorie: That's what the "MM" means
[03:53] <valorie> hmmm, that could be the problem
[03:54] <valorie> how do I change that?
[03:54] <Jordan_U> valorie: Select that channel and press 'm'
[03:55] <valorie> woah, that was it!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:55] <valorie> thanks so much, Jordan_U
[03:55] <valorie> I now have sound
[03:56] <valorie> heh, system settings still crashes every time....
[03:56] <Jordan_U> valorie: You're welcome.
[03:56] <valorie> what is S/PDIF ?
[03:57] <valorie> should I mess with those for any reason?
[03:57] <Random832> it's a digital audio output
[03:57] <Random832> it's like a laser or fiber optic thing i think
[03:57] <valorie> hmmm
[03:57] <Random832> i tihnk you'll know if you have one and/or are using it
[03:58] <valorie> me either
[03:58] <Random832> the port has a little rubber flap over it
[03:58] <Random832> to stop the laser getting out
[03:59] <valorie> I don't see anything like that on this laptop
[03:59] <CarlFK> what is the bug report tool?
[03:59] <denis-k> ubuntu-bug
[03:59] <valorie> updating my bug report.....
[03:59] <kubuku_> valorie: glad to hear you have sound now
[03:59] <denis-k> use in terminal as ubuntu-bug [package name]
[04:00] <kubuku_> valorie: kmix is more intuitive though.. you just have to config what channels to show
[04:00] <Zelda> yum! poptarts! chocolate fudge
[04:00] <valorie> fixing kmix didn't help
[04:00] <valorie> unmuted that over and over again
[04:01] <kubuku_> well.. use what works..
[04:02] <valorie> of course, but the speaker shouldn't have been muted, so a bug remains
[04:03] <Zelda> Ill call the Orkin Man
[04:03] <denis-k> anybody know the exact date and time ship it is going to be open for 10.04?
[04:04] <kubuku_> wait..in the kmix icon mute?  when you click the kmix icon..click the mixer to show the channels
[04:04] <Zelda> no laughs or anything with that comment... interesting. Quiet crowd tonight.
[04:04] <denis-k> wtf is the Orkin Man
[04:05] <Random832> denis-k: an exterminator mascot
[04:05] <Zelda> the exterminator
[04:05] <denis-k> psh
[04:05] <Zelda> hahah you said you had a bug still
[04:05] <Zelda> You really have never heard of the Orkin Man?
[04:05] <denis-k> rings a bell
[04:05] <denis-k> and orkin won't help
[04:06] <denis-k> it'll just fry your computer :P
[04:06] <denis-k> he'll*
[04:06] <denis-k> but then i guess all your bugs would be gone
[04:06] <jdsbluedevl> some people in here don't live in the US
[04:06] <Zelda> i was correlating the Orkin Man with the "bug" you guys said you had...
[04:06] <denis-k> but then your left with a brick
[04:06] <denis-k> i know
[04:06] <Zelda> you mean iPoopd?
[04:06] <Zelda> er pod.
[04:06] <Zelda> :)
[04:08] <denis-k> does rhythmbox automatically skip songs that are on a device if they are already on it and is added to the device?
[04:08] <Zelda> dont think so.
[04:08] <denis-k> because it didn't skip when i 'forced' it to think my old phone was a audio device
[04:08] <CarlFK> what is the command for gathering/submitting a bug?
[04:08] <denis-k> it kept asking for overwrite
[04:08] <Zelda> well theres your answer.
[04:08] <Zelda> another Bug.
[04:08] <denis-k> ubuntu-bug [package name]
[04:08] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:08] <denis-k> np
[04:09] <Zelda> ubuntu-bug Butch
[04:09] <Zelda> hahaha
[04:09] <Zelda> King Sophia
[04:09] <z0rt> wot
[04:10] <Zelda> hahah thats off of How to Loose a Guy in 10 Days.
[04:10] <Zelda> forget about it.
[04:10] <CarlFK> what is the package name for gnome-screenshot?
[04:10] <denis-k> check system monitor
[04:11] <denis-k> when its running
[04:11] <denis-k> not package name
[04:11] <denis-k> whatever the programs name is called
[04:11] <denis-k> bug i guess a program can be called a package too
[04:11] <denis-k> :S
[04:11] <denis-k> but*
[04:11] <valorie> kubuku_: I did open up kmix
[04:11] <valorie> believe me
[04:11] <CarlFK> um... what?
[04:11] <valorie> and often found mute on
[04:11] <valorie> and unchecked it
[04:12] <valorie> but that made NO difference
[04:12] <etzerd> hello all
[04:12] <denis-k> system>admin>system monitor>processes
[04:12] <etzerd> when the RC will be out?
[04:13] <denis-k> 20 somethingith
[04:13] <denis-k> less than two weeks :P
[04:13] <denis-k> g o o g l e it
[04:13] <etzerd> denis-k you mean next week tuesday?
[04:13] <CarlFK> denis-k: that shows gnome-screenshot
[04:14] <denis-k> no i mean some day that is on the 20's
[04:14] <denis-k> not sure exactly, google is faster than asking here :)
[04:14] <denis-k> 29 April 2010
[04:14] <denis-k> exactly two weeks :)
[04:15] <denis-k> lots of time to fix those bugs, bugs bugs bugs..bugs....*echos off into the distant*
[04:15] <z0rt> i thought it was 27 apr
[04:15] <denis-k> unless wikipedia is lying for once..
[04:16] <z0rt> the ubuntu site has a whole calendar
[04:16] <z0rt> today (15 apr) for example was final freeze
[04:16] <denis-k> OH
[04:16] <denis-k> RC is 22nd
[04:16] <denis-k> sorry thought rc meant final
[04:16] <denis-k> final is 29
[04:17] <z0rt> wait, splinter cell conviction comes out for pc on 27 apr, my mistake 8)
[04:17] <denis-k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[04:17] <Random832> and now there's nothing more i can do than see if it boots or not
[04:17] <z0rt> in any case i am looking forward to deploying lucid on all of my boxen
[04:18] <denis-k> i think im going to stick with LTS's from now on...
[04:18] <denis-k> seems too solid, after 9.04, even as a beta
[04:18] <denis-k> i mean
[04:18] <denis-k> 9.10
[04:22] <denis-k> or atleast the idea behind it*
[04:27] <user_ans> hi guys... I pulled in an update yesterday for my kubuntu 10.04 install with nvidia chipset. Boot happens OK, but on login, KDM just flashes.. goes black and throws me out to the login screen again. Previously there was some error about a .default.face not found - but now KDM.log shows errors about MTRR and no nvidia device found (even though nvidia is loaded - verified through VT)
[04:28] <dahud> How much is 10.04 expected to change in the next 2 weeks before release?  Can I install now without adverse effects?
[04:31] <Random832> so - didn't work
[04:42] <jdsbluedevl> is it just my system, or is anyone else having a CPU spike by PolicyKit?
[04:44] <jdsbluedevl> bug 426556
[04:59] <mawst> In doing a fresh install of Beta 2, I seem to have lost 3d Windows and Cube deformation in compiz settings manger... Ideas?
[05:21] <MistStlkr> Hey all.  Is there an updated HCL for Lucid that I am missing?
[05:29] <Random832> so - the grub that is set up when i install doesn't work
[05:29] <Random832> does anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[05:30] <markl_> what is the symptom?
[05:32] <Random832> it gives some error message
[05:32] <Random832> i can't remember exactly, i'd have to reboot and then wouldn't be on irc anymore
[05:32] <Random832> is there a way to get a "simulated" boot?
[05:32] <Random832> but anyway i couldn't even get any commands or any help within the actuall boot prompt
[05:33] <Random832> something about 'error: out of disk'
[05:36] <Jordan_U> Random832: Most likely you have a buggy BIOS that can't read past a certain point in large disks
[05:37] <Random832> Jordan_U: my boot partition is 384MB.
[05:37] <Jordan_U> Random832: And is it at the beginning of the disk (note that just being partition #1 doesn't actually guarantee that it's at the beginning of the drive).
[05:38] <Random832> yes it is at the beginning of the disk
[05:38] <Random832> cylinders 1 through 48
[05:39] <Random832> i don't even remember the exact error - i do know it drops me to a "rescue prompt" where i have no idea how to do anything
[05:41] <Random832>         set root='(/dev/sda,1)'
[05:41] <Random832> is this right? what happened to (hd0,0) ?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> Random832: No, that is not right
[05:42] <Random832> then how the hell did it get there?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> Random832: Where?
[05:42]  * Random832 doesn't know how to fix whatever generates grub.cfg
[05:42] <Random832> that's in grub.cfg
[05:43] <Jordan_U> Random832: Can you pastebin your grub.cfg?
[05:44] <Random832> http://pastebin.com/3UN7F0sr
[05:45] <Random832> is there anything i can do to run a self check without rebooting, to maybe get more informative errors?
[05:45] <MistStlkr> the HCL on wiki.ubuntu.com does not list any AM3 motherboards... is that a matter of them just not being added yet, or is there a known issue with the AM3 boards in general?
[05:46] <Jordan_U> Random832: I have an idea why that is being added but it doesn't really matter, the root is set by uuid in the next line and you aren't even getting to the point where grub can read the grub.cfg.
[05:46] <Random832> is there any way for me to find out any information you can help me with?
[05:47] <Jordan_U> Random832: Try running this script: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[05:47] <Random832> do i run it inside the chroot or out of it (i'm on the livecd now)
[05:48] <Jordan_U> Random832: Either should work, I'd run it outside the chroot.
[05:49] <Random832> http://pastebin.com/Gd4bnYXM - you can ignore the LILO stuff - i installed that after the _first_ time GRUB didn't work, and didn't reformat the partitions when i reinstalled
[05:50] <Random832> (it's what i was using with karmic, and it actually managed to load the kernel into memory, but that hung after a "bios data check successful", for the record
[05:54] <Random832> any ideas?
[05:57] <Random832> hmm - i think i only actually tried booting grub when i didn't have /boot as a separate partition
[05:57] <Random832> (i don't expect anything, but it's worth a try to get a fresh recall of the error message if nothing else)
[05:57] <Random832> brb
[06:02] <Random832> well.... that was a shocking waste of time
[06:02] <Random832> that would probably have worked on Karmic, too, when I think about it
[06:02]  * Random832 never considered that _grub_ might need a partition near the beginning of the disk - i assumed it was smart enough to not need the bios, so i only created it when i went to install LILO
[06:03] <Random832> you know, the installer should really detect the situation and create a /boot partition
[06:05] <user_ans> hi guys... I pulled in an update yesterday for my kubuntu 10.04 install with nvidia chipset. Boot happens OK, but on login, KDM just flashes.. goes black and throws me out to the login screen again. Previously there was some error about a .default.face not found - but now KDM.log shows errors about MTRR and no nvidia device found (even though nvidia is loaded - verified through VT)
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Random832: There is no way to detect BIOS bugs from a booted system
[06:08] <Random832> ok
[06:08] <Jordan_U> Random832: grub has it's own pata drivers if you choose to use them (to work around bios bugs like this) but BIOS calls are used by default.
[06:09] <Random832> why's that the default?
[06:10] <Random832> well i'm just glad i'm not stuck using lilo forever anymore
[06:11] <mawst> In doing a fresh install of Beta 2, I seem to have lost 3d Windows and Cube deformation in compiz settings manger... Ideas?
[06:11] <Jordan_U> Random832: Because grub doesn't have SATA drivers yet, and its USB drivers still need some maturing among other things.
[06:12] <Random832> ok
[06:26] <m0ar> I got an annoying problem last night, efter a dist-upgrade. Opera started using a diffrent, monospace font without me touching it in operas settings.
[06:34] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any: "You have searched for files named gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor in suite lucid, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." But my Lucid computer reports: "Sorry the program gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor closed unexpectedly." Can explain this...
[06:34] <bullgard4> ...contradiction?
[06:36] <user_ans> oh man.. the last -21 update changes /tmp permissions: I had to do "chmod ug+rwx,o+rwt /tmp" to fix it and even log in to desktop
[06:36] <bullgard4> m0ar: I think you better look in Launchpad if your bug is reported yet or, if not, report it to Launchpad.
[06:38] <Random832> crap - i right-clicked the envelope icon to remove from the panel, and it removed the battery and volume too
[06:39] <Random832> and i don't know what the thing's called to get it back
[06:40] <DanaG> "indicator applet (complete)"
[06:40] <DanaG> or something like that.
[06:41] <Random832> how do i get it so it's locked to the right side of the panel again
[06:41] <Random832> (so that if stuff shrinks it sticks to the right instead of leaving a gap)
[06:41] <DanaG> you can middle-drag it to move it, and right click and select "lock to panel"
[06:41] <Random832> right, but it doesn't lock to the _right side_
[06:42] <DanaG> Though, Gnome's idea of "locked" is rather weird...
[06:42] <ddecator> getting it back into the same place may require resetting the panel
[06:42] <Random832> the applets start out on the right side, so if i remove one or one becomes smaller it closes the gap
[06:42] <Random832> how can i reset the panel?
[06:42] <DanaG> if the gnome devs made door locks... you'd lock your door when you went off to work... and then come home to find it on the other side of the house --- still locked.
[06:42] <ddecator> theres a file you remove, but i can't remember which on off hand...
[06:42] <ddecator> one*
[06:42] <ddecator> let me try to find it
[06:43] <DanaG> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[06:43] <DanaG> that's a brute-force way.
[06:43] <Random832> DanaG: um, that killed both panels
[06:43] <Random832> thanks a lot ;P
[06:43] <ddecator> run gnome-panel
[06:43] <Random832> i want the default settings back, not _nothing_
[06:43] <Random832> ddecator: still nothing
[06:43] <ddecator> or logout and back in
[06:44] <DanaG> hmm, killall gnome-panel, then do gconftool again
[06:44] <Random832> ok that worked
[06:44] <DanaG> then re-run gnome-panel
[06:44] <Random832> well, killing it worked
[06:44] <ddecator> ah, there you go
[06:44] <Random832> it came back right after that
[06:44] <DanaG> cool.
[06:44] <Random832> there should be configuration for making stuff stick to the right side though
[06:44] <Random832> what if i want to add something there
[06:45] <ddecator> maybe see if there is a feature request on lp?
[06:48] <Random832> how do i fix the button layout with compiz?
[06:48] <Random832> wait a minute - this is weird
[06:49] <Random832> i _had_ semitransparent stuff with metacity - then i panicked and did metacity --replace when my cursor settins wouldn't take, and it's back to ugly
[06:49] <Random832> which is the default in lucid?
[06:50] <Random832> it didn't even work - anyone know a way to make the cursor theme change without logging off and back on?
[06:51] <user_sym> hey guys .. vote for this bug. A huge number of problems will be solved by this http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234484
[07:00] <SandGorgon> somebody please make a version of 10.04 without Plymouth and I have 10 bucks right here for them - I was happy as hell with the 9.10 boot
[07:01] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Still having problems?
[07:01] <ddecator> plymouth is finally starting to work properly for me, haha
[07:02] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Plymouth is a program just as everything else, "sudo apt-get purge plymouth" if you really don't want it
[07:04] <litropy> hi, peeps - is there a list of lucid lynx changes that's not the quirky mailing list? I'd be okay with an unofficial list.
[07:04] <ddecator> that'd be a big list..
[07:05] <litropy> primary changes.
[07:05] <litropy> oh, hey!
[07:05] <litropy> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs
[07:06] <litropy> thanks, self!
[07:15] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any: "You have searched for files named gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor in suite lucid, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." But my Lucid computer reports: "Sorry the program gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor closed unexpectedly." Can explain this...
[07:16] <bullgard4> ...contradiction?
[07:17] <ddecator> it's not showing up in synaptic for me
[07:20] <ddecator> bullgard4: when do you get that error? is it an apport crash?
[07:20] <bullgard4> ddecator: I got it this morning when I switched on my Thinkpad T43 laptop computer.
[07:21] <bullgard4> ddecator: Last night I visited a local computer club.
[07:21] <bullgard4> ddecator: Define "apport crash".
[07:22] <ddecator> bullgard4: does that show up with a red '!' in the panel?
[07:24] <bullgard4> ddecator: It did not show up with a red"!" in the panel. Rather a blue symbol having a jagged red outline.
[07:25] <ddecator> ah, that was probably still apport (i can't remember what the icon looks like exactly...), anyway did it give you the option to report the issue?
[07:27] <bullgard4> ddecator: Unfortunately not. Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 reported: "Sorry the program "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor" closed unexpectedly. The program cannot be reported. The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes."
[07:27] <ddecator> huh, so that doesn't help us narrow things down..
[07:28] <bullgard4> ddecator: Yes, unfortunately. Therefore I turned here for help. I need to know the package which includes this program.
[07:29]  * ddecator unfortunately has no idea...
[07:38] <dr3mro> hey guys i wanna ask q?? why spidermonkey-bin was removed from official ppa in lucid
[07:39] <ddecator> what PPA was it a part of?
[07:40] <dr3mro> ddecator, sorry mistyped ppa i mean repositories
[07:41] <ddecator> ah, i was going to suggest contacting the maintainers of the PPA, but i'm not sure why it got dropped from the repos
[07:42] <dr3mro> ddecator, i use plowshare shell script to download from rapidshare and other free hosting services but it need spidermonkey bin as a dependency ... is there a lucid alternative ???
[07:44] <litropy> network manager asks me for my pw to unlock the keyring for the WPA key upon bootup. how do I get it to just open the keyring without authenticating?
[07:45] <ddecator> dr3mro: not sure, let me look around a minute
[07:47] <Slart> !find gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor
[07:47] <dr3mro>  !find gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor
[07:47] <Slart> bullgard4: see above
[07:48]  * ddecator needs to learn those bot commands >.>
[07:48] <Slart> or use apt-file, same function
[07:49] <ddecator> dr3mro: i asked the mozilla team, but this is a slow time of night so idk if i'll hear back tonight
[07:52] <joaopinto> good morning
[07:53] <EagleScreen> good morning too
[07:53] <dr3mro> ddecator,ok i now use ubuntu karmic packages but its a bad idea i like to have all my packages manager by the synaptic :()
[07:54] <tapan_chugh> heel
[07:54] <ddecator> dr3mro: understandable. i just don't know if it got dropped, or incorporated in a different package
[07:56] <dr3mro> so ddecator ok i will wait
[07:57] <ddecator> dr3mro: otherwise you might get an answer in #ubuntu-mozillateam some other time
[07:57] <artnay> is there any way to obtain alpha 1 or alpha 2 and/or daily builds between those alphas? I'm asking this because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - 5xxx GPUs are the most sold separate GPUs at the moment so I think the importance of this bug is high
[07:57] <artnay> I have 5750 in one of my computers and the daily builds worked fine after alpha1 until this bug occured before alpha2
[07:57] <tapan_chugh> hello i am using ubuntu beta 2 and it takes a lot of time to boot
[07:57] <artnay> I'd like to track down the last working daily build so the bug could be addressed more specifically
[07:57] <tapan_chugh> please help
[07:57] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: might be plymouth..
[07:57] <iconmefisto> bug 536950
[07:58] <tapan_chugh> well i tried booting in the recovery mode and still it takes a lot of time
[08:00] <tapan_chugh> please help me
[08:01] <ddecator> i would if i understood eveything that happens during bootup better
[08:05] <tapan_chugh> ddecator here is the boot log http://pastebin.ca/1862928
[08:07] <sean_> So could anyone walk me through how to install a splash screen?
[08:07] <tapan_chugh> ddecator does that help
[08:08] <iconmefisto> tapan_chugh: are you running livecd?
[08:08] <tapan_chugh> nope i have it installed
[08:09] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: i'm looking at it, but i'm not familiar with everything on there. it looks like ata1 is eating up a lot of the time, but i'm honestly not sure what that is
[08:09] <EagleScreen> sean_: splash screen for boot process?
[08:09] <ddecator> EagleScreen: beat me to it =p
[08:09] <sean_> yeah, like where you login at
[08:09] <iconmefisto> tapan_chugh: lots of references to sr0 there. is there a disc in one of your cd/dvd drives when you are booting?
[08:10] <tapan_chugh> yes
[08:10] <EagleScreen> it is installed by default in Ubuntu lucid, but you won't see it due to a bug in the playmouth package
[08:10] <ddecator> more bugs in plymouth? -_-
[08:11] <EagleScreen> currently the boot splash (plymouth) starts after X server, so we only see it during a half second or so
[08:11] <EagleScreen> there are more importants bug in plymouth to fix, then this issue is postponed
[08:12] <sean_> well, I am talking about the screen that you see after everything loads and you have to type in your password to log in to lucid.
[08:12] <EagleScreen> gdm?
[08:12] <sean_> I guess so yeah the login screen
[08:13] <sean_> I always thought it was called the splash screen
[08:13] <ddecator> ah, theming gdm involves editing conf files
[08:13] <EagleScreen> not, it is called session manager
[08:13] <EagleScreen> or display manager
[08:14] <EagleScreen> gdm = Gnome Display Manager; kdm = KDE Display Manager
[08:14] <sean_> oh, okay then cool the session manager, so how do I go about changing that screen?
[08:14] <EagleScreen> in Gnome.. there must be some tool to con figure it
[08:14] <ddecator> not like there used to be..
[08:15] <EagleScreen> i am a more KDE user, so I can't help so much with this
[08:16] <tapan_chugh> ddecator what about my problem ?
[08:16] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: does taking out the cd help at all?
[08:17] <tapan_chugh> i don't know. Let me try
[08:17] <ddecator> sean_: i can't guarantee this will work since it was written for karmic, but if you want to try it's your call: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/change-karmic-gdm.html
[08:17] <sean_> I guess that I dont understand the difference between gnome or kde, I am assuming those are the enviornments in which the ubuntu distros run?  which is lucid?
[08:18] <sean_> I tried that ddecator, it didnt work
[08:18] <ddecator> sean_: yah, Ubuntu is GNOME, Kubuntu is KDE, etc.
[08:18] <ddecator> sean_: then idk how to theme it unfortunately =\
[08:18] <sean_> oh, okay that makes sense now
[08:19] <larsivi> sean_: gnome and kde are upper level view that both function over the same lower level lucid
[08:19] <joaopinto> sean_, check some screenshots, you will not the difference between GNOME and KDE :P
[08:19] <sean_> okay well thanks...  How about making my games run normally instead of all choppy, can you help me with that issue, or is that a graphics card issue or something, cause I have a 2.8 ghz comp with 1.5 gig ram
[08:20] <ddecator> graphics driver
[08:20] <joaopinto> sean_, are you using a 3d capable driver ?
[08:20] <sean_> well to be honest I have an onboard intel 865 chipset graphics card, and can't for the life of me find drivers for it
[08:21] <joaopinto> oh, intel, that sounds choppy  for games
[08:21] <tapan_chugh> ddecator removing the cd does not help in anyway
[08:21] <sean_> So I guess that I have the lucid generic graphic drivers
[08:22] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: is it slow before gdm, or after?
[08:22] <tapan_chugh> before gdm
[08:22] <tapan_chugh> as soon as it bypasses the grub
[08:22] <tapan_chugh> the cursor sits blinking there for about 1 minute
[08:22] <sean_> i would love more than anything to be able to play regnum online or nexius ya know lol
[08:23] <tapan_chugh> then suddenly the splash screen comes and goes away very quickly
[08:23] <joaopinto> tapan_chugh, have you tried to boot into recovery mode ?
[08:23] <EagleScreen> tapan_chugh: can you use the CD drive when Ubuntu is started?
[08:23] <tapan_chugh> joapinto i tried booting in the recovery mode and it is still takes that much time
[08:24] <tapan_chugh> EagleScreen yes i am able to use the CD drive when ubuntu is started
[08:24] <ddecator> sean_: do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
[08:25] <sean_> you know I am not sure about that ddecator
[08:25] <sean_> I am still somewhat on the new side of all this linux stuff
[08:25] <ddecator> sean_: well we always welcome new users =)
[08:25] <ddecator> sean_: can you check to see if it's installed? idk if it is by default or not..
[08:26] <sean_> would I check that through the synaptic package manager?
[08:26] <ddecator> you can, yes
[08:29] <sean_> well according to synaptic package manager it is installed, there is also a xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg that seems its not installed but the intel one itself is
[08:29] <ddecator> -dbg is only useful if you're trying to get a backtrace
[08:30] <valorie> -dbg is a debugging package
[08:30] <ddecator> hm, well i think that's the driver for intel if i remember correctly. anyone here with an intel graphics card that can confirm?
[08:30] <tapan_chugh> so anybody can you guys help me
[08:31] <EagleScreen> yes it is
[08:31] <sean_> I know that my movies run seemlessly, but just my games are way choppy!
[08:31] <ddecator> are they flash games?
[08:32] <sean_> they are that game called Nexius, and regnum online
[08:32] <EagleScreen> sean_: install mesa-utils
[08:32] <sean_> dont know if they are flash or not
[08:32] <sean_> how do i do that eagle?
[08:32] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: sorry, i wish i was more help, but i'm not familiar enough with the boot system to know what you can possibly do to reduce boot times =\
[08:32] <tapan_chugh> ok
[08:32] <EagleScreen> sean_: synaptic or sudo aptitude install mesa-utils
[08:33] <sean_> ok
[08:34] <EagleScreen> tapan_chugh: file a bugreport
[08:34] <beij> hi
[08:34] <ddecator> beij: hey
[08:35] <beij> is there is something that worries me
[08:35] <beij> - is
[08:35] <ddecator> which is?
[08:35] <beij> why is there plymouth in 10.4
[08:35] <sean_> says that mesa-utils already the newest version
[08:35] <ddecator> -_-
[08:35] <EagleScreen> sean_: run glxgears
[08:35] <ddecator> beij: supposed to be a nicer looking and faster boot splash..
[08:36] <ddecator> buggy though..
[08:36] <sean_> again i apologize but how do i do that?
[08:36] <beij> ddecator, tha was not my point :p
[08:36] <beij> why not xsplash
[08:36] <ddecator> sean_: no need to apologize =)
[08:36] <erghezi> i cant enable visual effects
[08:36] <EagleScreen> sean_: open a terminal and type glxgears
[08:37] <ddecator> erghezi: do you have your graphics driver installed?
[08:37] <sean_> okay what now?
[08:37] <ddecator> beij: no idea, i wish they would have stuck with it. i'm sure they had their reason though...i hope they did =p
[08:37] <erghezi> ddecator yes
[08:38] <erghezi> ddecator  195.36.15
[08:38] <ddecator> erghezi: what happens when you try to enable them?
[08:38] <EagleScreen> plymouth is working well in Fedora Core, so it should also does in Ubuntu, but some bugs are breaking it
[08:38] <ddecator> EagleScreen: just a bit =p
[08:39] <EagleScreen> I think plymouth change should have been postponed to 10.10
[08:39] <erghezi> ddecator it seems to enable. but when i open visual effect agine, radio box is on the none
[08:39] <sean_> it says anywhere from 3118 to 1252 frames in 5.0 seconds if that is what you were wondering...  I dont know what all that means
[08:39] <beij> i wa sjust surprised first there was a statement :" we will rewrite the splash from scratch and it will be better than anything else" and then i read "oo well we use plymouth now" :p
[08:39] <EagleScreen> sean_: and can you see gears moving ?
[08:40] <ddecator> erghezi: odd...are you trying to use compiz at all or just use the pre-set options in Appearance?
[08:40] <sean_> yeah they were moving seemlessly
[08:40] <EagleScreen> I think that is the best your graphics card can work, sean_
[08:41] <ddecator> if the games are flash, that may be a whole separate issue
[08:41] <sean_> so does that mean that I pretty much need a new graphics card to run those games?
[08:41] <ddecator> flash games don't work that great on my system..
[08:41] <EagleScreen> sean_: whuch games?
[08:41] <beij> flash games basically dont use the graphics card
[08:42] <sean_> Nexius, and Regnum online
[08:42] <beij> at least nothing like opengl :p
[08:42] <LuckySMack> i have noticed that since i have started using lucid, the file path in nautilus isnt hand editable anymore. I can no longer click next to the path and enter in the path i want by typing it in. did something change?
[08:42] <erghezi> ddecator i install compize settings too
[08:42] <EagleScreen> sean_: are you using the 64 bits version of Ubuntu?
[08:42] <sean_> that I am unsure of, How would figure that out?
[08:42] <SandGorgon> does anybody know how to stop mysql from starting at startup each time ?
[08:42] <ddecator> erghezi: if you make changes with compiz, do they work?
[08:43] <EagleScreen> sean_: uname -a
[08:43] <sean_> i686 GNU/linux
[08:43] <EagleScreen> sean_: dpkg --print-architecture
[08:44] <ddecator> well 32-bit doesn't usually have much trouble with flash..
[08:44] <erghezi> ddecator dont work anything
[08:44] <defswork> LuckySMack, Ctrl-L
[08:44] <ddecator> erghezi: and you checked that the driver is enabled?
[08:44] <sean_> i386
[08:44] <beij> the 64 bit flash beta works pretty well for me
[08:44] <EagleScreen> it is 32 bits sean_
[08:45] <ddecator> beij: tsk tsk, non-repo flash =p
[08:45] <sean_> is that good or bad?
[08:45] <defswork> LuckySMack, not been editable by click for longer than lucid - on karmic here and its not
[08:45] <EagleScreen> sean_: that is good if your RAM is less than 4 GB
[08:45] <LuckySMack> defswork, thanks. but im kind of bummed i cant just click there anymore
[08:45] <beij> the repo flash wanted to install a whole 32 bit subsystem
[08:45] <erghezi> ddecator in hardware driver , my driver is Enable
[08:45] <defswork> LuckySMack, shucks
[08:45] <LuckySMack> defswork, i just cam from karmic and i was able to do it
[08:45] <sean_> so basically my issue is going to be the graphics card itself then huh?
[08:45] <EagleScreen> yes beij, the 64 bits flash beta is the better choice, also for me
[08:46] <sean_> Yeah I only have 1.5 gig ram
[08:46] <EagleScreen> I dont know sean_
[08:46] <ddecator> erghezi: and you've restarted since the driver was enabled?
[08:46] <LuckySMack> i would just click just beyond the end of the last path name and it would edit like ctrl+L
[08:46] <defswork> LuckySMack, if you biggest problem is having to do ctrl-l to edit file manager path then I don't think you are in too bad a position
[08:46] <erghezi> ddecator yes:D
[08:47] <LuckySMack> defswork, heh, no ctrl+L is doable
[08:47] <sean_> well I certainly apreciate you guys trying to help me!  I actually learned a little bit about this too, so thank you for that!!
[08:47] <ddecator> erghezi: should be working fine then o.o
[08:47] <defswork> I was wrong btw - on karmic the edit button is there
[08:47] <ddecator> erghezi: please look on launchpad to see if a bug has been filed for that. if not, then please make a new one =)
[08:48] <erghezi> ddecator  ok
[08:48] <defswork> I'm just so used to ctrl-l - mouses are for people with two fingers only
[08:48] <LuckySMack> defswork, hah and yea its far from my biggest problem. thanks though. just one of those little things.
[08:48] <LuckySMack> heh
[08:48] <LuckySMack> yea
[08:48] <LuckySMack> i try to remember KB shortcuts but im so used to the mouse i just use it
[08:49] <erghezi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9120666
[08:49] <defswork> productivity halves when you introduce a mouse
[08:49] <erghezi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/554106
[08:49] <LuckySMack> very true
[08:49] <sean_> here is another question what about Directx?  How can I get that installed?
[08:50] <sean_> through WINE?
[08:50] <LuckySMack> my friends still dont understand why half the stuff i prefer to do in ubuntu and on my server is in the CLI. just doesnt make sense to them. they think it makes everything take longer
[08:50] <LuckySMack> then when i finish first theyre confused
[08:50] <ddecator> LuckySMack: heh, if you know the commands, things can go really fast with cli
[08:51]  * defswork still has big issue with laptop not booting lucid  - hangs at spash screen (even though I booted with nosplash)
[08:51] <Slart> sean_: I'm not entirely sure about this.. but doesn't wine implement some of the directx stuff? ie you shouldn't install it yourself
[08:51] <LuckySMack> on a normal day, not doing much server side stuff about 1/4 of what i do is in cli
[08:52] <defswork> 1/4 ? 99% here
[08:52] <erghezi> ddecator i fix it :D
[08:52] <Slart> defswork: you've tried all the noacpi noapic stuff?
[08:52] <LuckySMack> and i knowi could do more. just used to GUI so it doesnt bother me
[08:52] <LuckySMack> lol
[08:52] <ZykoticK9> LuckySMack, in addition to CTRL+L to show the address bar in nautilus you can also just press start typing with a "/" to get it
[08:52] <LuckySMack> well when im "working" its about 90% for me
[08:52] <erghezi> ddecator i run  sudo apt-get install compiz
[08:52] <ddecator> erghezi: great! =)
[08:52] <sean_> I am not too sure but one of my games said that I didnt have the latest directx installed
[08:52] <sean_> it was Regnum online
[08:52] <defswork> Slart, no - from what I've read it's a plymouth/ureadahead/fsck issue
[08:53] <beij> by the way cli... is there a way way to have a background in tty? much like tty in suse?
[08:53] <defswork> though i'm certain no fsck needed atm
[08:53] <LuckySMack> ZykoticK9, ah thanks
[08:53] <Slart> defswork: hrmpf.. plymouth is the pretty picture you get when booting?
[08:54] <defswork> Slart, yes - pointless waste of time imho
[08:54] <defswork> but I cant remove it - it wants to remove most of the system too
[08:54] <ZykoticK9> sean_, are you sure you used the linux install for regnum?
[08:54] <Slart> defswork: seems like it's causing so much problems.. I wonder if it will be worth it in the end
[08:55] <defswork> it I boot with quiet removed and nospash added I still get the spash
[08:55] <ZykoticK9> sean_, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/gaming/regnum-online
[08:55] <almoxarife> has the nautilus action/network bug been fixed?
[08:55] <defswork> and I dont know how to see what it's doing on this spash screen - not alt ttys work
[08:56] <sean_> uh yeah I think the filename was  RegnumOnlineInstall_32
[08:56] <Slart> defswork: ahm.. it's spelled   splash  .. not sure if that was a typo in here or not
[08:56] <defswork> aye
[08:56] <Slart> =)
[08:58] <defswork> hmm - booted now
[08:58] <defswork> another random act of ubuntu
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> hi hi kangoro
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> what the heck happened last night? I thought we were in FF
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> I got a BUNCH of updates this morning
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> where all of those FFe ?
[08:59] <beij> ubuntu does not do anything random
[09:00] <defswork> surely this plymouth thing really isnt worth the grief ?
[09:01]  * ddecator doesn't understand why it's such a big deal when the goal is a sub-10-sec boot..
[09:01] <ddecator> might as well just show a static picture for a boot splash =p
[09:02] <defswork> I rather seen nothing that this low rez clunky looking purple thing that hangs my laptop
[09:02] <ddecator> it's finally a better res for me
[09:03] <ddecator> still bigger than it should be though..
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> ddecator: because ppl like me , reboot two or 3 times per day
[09:04] <erghezi> ubuntu cant detect mic
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> and something that takes almost 2 min to be useful, gets me pissed
[09:04] <defswork> BUGabundo_remote, and you want to see pretty picture ?
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> no!
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> black TTY is enough for me
[09:04] <defswork> so does plymouth bring anything more ?
[09:05] <ddecator> not that i know of..
[09:06] <defswork> from what I remember karmic used to boot nicely with animated intro before login
[09:06] <ddecator> yah, xsplash seemed lighterweight
[09:06] <defswork> (i onlyhave karmic on this pc and I boot it less than once a year)
[09:07] <Bigbrumbrum> hello :) I got some really serious problems...
[09:07] <ddecator> Bigbrumbrum: well lets hear 'em =)
[09:07] <Bigbrumbrum> ubuntu dosent detect any disks or usb-drives, at all.
[09:08] <Bigbrumbrum> i had some issues with gnome-disk-utility, and after that, nothing works, windows wont boot in grub, etc
[09:09] <ddecator> well that is a serious issue..
[09:09] <Bigbrumbrum> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/562470
[09:10] <ddecator> well at least there is a crash report..
[09:11] <ddecator> not a ton of info in the straces though..
[09:12] <ddecator> anyway, i'm not sure how to recover windows on grub, i know there is a way though
[09:12] <LuckySMack> so i came from karmic where i was dual bootin with windows7 and karmic just fine. after installing lucid i am no longer able to log into windows. i just get a blinking cursor. someone mentioned that a "sudo update-grub" should fix it. but i still get the same issue. I get the blinking cursor tryingto boot into windows. So how else can i try and fix it?
[09:12] <Bigbrumbrum> i have that issue to lucky
[09:13] <LuckySMack> hrmm, have you figured anything out yet?
[09:14] <Bigbrumbrum> No, im looking for the config-grub command, but i cant find it...
[09:14] <LuckySMack> well when in grub (and running update-grub) it does see the windows installation for me. i dont have any issues with it not seeing devices
[09:14] <LuckySMack> ah ok
[09:15] <Bigbrumbrum> I got issues whit my device, biiig issues... http://i.imagehost.org/view/0804/Screenshot-Information_aboutdev-sda1
[09:15] <ddecator> wow..
[09:16] <BigMack84> Bigbrumbrum, damn
[09:16] <BigMack84> see and for that i would say boot into windows and run chkdisk
[09:17] <Bigbrumbrum> well, thats the problem, windows wont boot ^^
[09:17] <ddecator> that may require using a live cd and running the chkdsk mentioned on there after mounting the harddrive, but idk for sure if that's what you need to do. i've never run into that =\
[09:18]  * Bigbrumbrum loves my external-sATA-disk hub right now 
[09:19] <Bigbrumbrum> snap
[09:19] <Bigbrumbrum> Windows freezez when i plug in that device...
[09:19] <Bigbrumbrum> i think i got a dead hdd...
[09:20] <beij> the window or MS windows freezes :p
[09:20] <beij> fsck ma yhelp
[09:20] <Bigbrumbrum> i dont like fsck :P
[09:20] <beij> i said the word .. shame on me
[09:20] <ddecator> but if it saves your info, haha
[09:21] <beij> yes | fsck /dev/xxx
[09:21] <vish> hmm , weather doesnt get displayed in the panel :s
[09:21]  * ddecator disables that anyway
[09:21] <ddecator> =p
[09:21] <beij> i take bets if it destroys your data or not
[09:24] <Bigbrumbrum> hmm, once i knew a command to copy a whole partition onto another disk...
[09:24] <Bigbrumbrum> anyone?
[09:24] <DASPRiD> hm, dd?
[09:24] <ddecator> i suppose cp wouldn't do it? =p
[09:25] <Bigbrumbrum> cp dont do it ^^
[09:25] <ddecator> figured
[09:25] <Bigbrumbrum> dd?
[09:25] <beij> dd if="/dev/xxx" of="dev/xx"
[09:25] <beij> but thats an exact copy
[09:25] <DASPRiD> beij, you copy from your porn drive? :>
[09:25] <Bigbrumbrum> lol
[09:26] <beij> cp -R /path/to/part /path/of/ohter just copies the data
[09:26] <ddecator> HA
[09:26] <DASPRiD> better cp -a
[09:26] <beij> DASPRiD, nö das sind auch animes dabei
[09:26] <ddecator> i was closer than i thought =p
[09:26] <DASPRiD> (a is for archive, keeps user rights and such)
[09:26] <DASPRiD> beij, ah, so hentai :P
[09:27] <beij> well some :p
[09:27] <Bigbrumbrum> sudo cp-a /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1/160hdd ?
[09:27] <Bigbrumbrum> *cp -a
[09:27] <DASPRiD> and why the heck do you know that i'm german?
[09:27] <beij> ^_^
[09:27] <ddecator> IRC stalker? o.o
[09:27] <beij> O.o
[09:28] <beij> es gibt keine andere sprache mit dem artikel das :o
[09:28] <ddecator> ...right
[09:29] <Bigbrumbrum> say what now?
[09:29] <Bigbrumbrum> do i need to mkdir if i want to copy into /dev/sdb1/160gbhdd ?
[09:30] <beij> woot?
[09:30] <Bigbrumbrum> does cp make the directory i want to copy into if it doesn't exist?
[09:30] <ddecator> i think so
[09:31] <markitoxs> hello
[09:31] <markitoxs> quick question
[09:31] <ddecator> sure thing
[09:31] <Bigbrumbrum> bring it on
[09:31] <markitoxs> anyone knows how to bring back the ability to move a window to a different workspace using alt + click ?
[09:31] <G_A_C> Bigbrumbrum: I don't think that will work, you can't copy directly to the block device, you need to mount the filesystem it contains and then copy into there. and no, cp won't make directories
[09:32] <Bigbrumbrum> gah, then i need to this trough live cd...
[09:33] <Bigbrumbrum> because my ubuntu doesnt mount anything at all...
[09:33] <ddecator> markitoxs: you might be able to set that in the Keyboard Shortcuts settings
[09:34] <markitoxs> i thinks its more a ccsm thing
[09:34] <Bigbrumbrum> anyone here who knows if windows got some kind of cmd-terminal on the install-cd?
[09:35] <G_A_C> it has a recovery console, but it's very limited
[09:35] <G_A_C> what are you needing to do?
[09:37] <beij> windows seven prss ctrl+f10
[09:37] <beij> or alt + f10
[09:37] <Bigbrumbrum> can i run chkdsk /f in it?
[09:37] <G_A_C> yeah you can
[09:37] <beij> windows xp had an "repair tah installation option"
[09:37] <G_A_C> although for some reason if you boot from a Windows CD, I think it's chkdsk /r to get the same functionality as chkdsk /f from a live environment
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> woo
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> thanks!
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> rebooting now
[09:38] <ddecator> gl!
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> :)
[10:08] <beij> timout?
[10:08] <beij> eth?
[10:08] <andre_> Why is there suddenly a log of gome stuff installing with my kubuntu updates today? like gconf2, gome-keyring, network-manager-pptp-gnome, ad more
[10:08] <andre_> a lot of gnome stuff**
[10:11] <beij> because you installed some kind of gnome software
[10:11] <beij> :p
[10:13] <artnay> is there any way to obtain alpha 1 or alpha 2 and/or daily builds between those alphas? I'm asking this because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - 5xxx GPUs are the most sold separate GPUs at the moment so I think the importance of this bug is high
[10:14] <sean_> okay I need help figuring out what my onboard video card has to offer if that makes sense?
[10:15] <rsk> sean_ glxinfo
[10:17] <sean_> okay well that made no sense to me but thank you, how about this I have an intel 865 chipset which has intel extreme graphics 2, but I have another ATI rage pro turbo, anyone know which would be better to use?
[10:17] <andre_> is there a way in kde to see what package is dragging the gnome stuff in? or do i have to install synaptics?
[10:18] <beij> synaptics wouldnt help either
[10:18] <beij> sudo apt-get remove gnome-keyring it will tell you have t uninstall :
[10:19] <beij> one of this package causes tah gnome depencies
[10:19] <arand> andre_: you could follow the "aptitude why packagename" path of blame.
[10:19] <andre_> yeah, as far as i remember i could right click it and find the dependencies of the packages in synaptics
[10:21] <andre_> thanks arand :)
[10:22] <sean_> anyone know of a channel that I can join that deals with graphic cards and what not?
[10:24] <andre_> is xorg an gnome application? :P it depends on xterm (that i have) or x-terminal-emulator wich comes with terminator and then requires gconf.. so why does my update require me to install gconf2? :P
[10:25] <andre_> where do i register bugs? kontact summary windows is not working and does not show the new mails as it is supposed to
[10:27] <arand> !bug
[10:47] <Nom-> Anyone know the current state of the repo?  I'm wondering if the dependency problems i'm seeing when rolling a custom ISO are related to the repo, or something i've done wrong
[10:48] <Nom-> I'm using a set of build tools which worked for Hardy, and i've made (I believe) all the necessary config changes, but as it's installing, it's complaining about dependencies not matching (libgssapi-krb5-2 depends libkrb5-3 (=1.8.1+dfsg-2 but 1.8+dfsg~alpha1-7ubuntu1 is installed)
[10:48] <beij> sudo apt-get update
[10:49] <Nom-> That's being done... it's a custom ISO i'm creating which automaticall does all that (supposedly)
[10:49] <Nom-> I can see that it is downloading a stack of packages, and in fact both versions are on the ISO
[10:51] <flippppppppppppp> hi! i installed the 10.04 beta and noticed that super(win)-m is bound to the chat/mail icon. where is this configured? who can i change it?
[10:54] <Korcia> I guess in gconf-editor
[10:55] <joaopinto> Nom-, I am not familiar with "automaticall", is it available from the repositories ?
[10:56] <Nom-> I'm just working through ... the build script i'm using is supposedly doing an apt-get update etc as part of the ISO creation process
[10:57] <Nom-> I just wanted to be sure the official repo isn't in some kind of broken state right now before I persist
[10:58] <joaopinto> Nom-, afaik it's not
[10:58] <joaopinto> that script is probably trying to pull some package which is not installable, or not available at all for lucid
[10:59] <Nom-> Nope, it's not a package missing, it's a version dependency problem
[10:59] <Nom-> As I said before, both versions are on the ISO... i'm hoping it's just the repo i'm pulling from -- pointed direct to the official ubuntu mirror now :)
[11:00] <Nom-> yay for having > 10Gbps of international bandwidth
[11:01] <BUGabundo_remote> FFUUUUUUUUU http://www.nomachine.com/tr/view.php?id=TR02H02327 #NX
[11:03] <Nom-> not that any server can ever push that much traffic :P
[11:07] <vistakiller1> vlc-data is not upgrade
[11:11] <DASPRiD> hey, new vlc has vaapi support :)
[11:20] <flippppppppppppp> i installed the 10.04 beta and noticed that super(win)-m is bound to the chat/mail icon. where is this configured? who can i change it? i looked in gconf-editor. searched for "keybindings", could not find anything. any other ideas?
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> flippppppppppppp: first: beta is to old! please upgrade! second: see shortcuts menu, in preferences
[11:26] <flippppppppppppp> BUGabundo_remote: it's not beta anymore? my bad. :) i upgraded everything. it is not in the shortcuts menu.
[11:31] <BUGabundo_remote> flippppppppppppp: compiz ?
[11:33] <flippppppppppppp> BUGabundo_remote: is compiz enabled by default? where can i change compiz shortcuts?
[11:33] <beij> ccsm ---> shortcuts or so
[11:33] <beij> dont use ist
[11:34] <thoeger> Hello channel - I'm running Lucid but this might not be a lucid problem. I just bought a little SATA cabinet to plug in the hard drive to my late laptop into mu current laptop to save some data. But the drive doesn't mount, and disk utility tells me that it is "unallocated space". I installed gparted but gparted just scans devices indefinitely. Is this because I'm running Lucid installed with Wubi?
[11:35] <flippppppppppppp> beij: ccsm? is that a program? if yes, i do not have it.
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> flippppppppppppp: its not installed by default
[11:36] <beij> compiz config settings manager written in python
[11:36] <beij> VERY usefull
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> but the shortcuts should be the same as the shortcut menu
[11:36] <flippppppppppppp> ok, installing.
[11:37] <dwebb2> hi all
[11:37] <beij> wth?
[11:37] <beij> there is only simple ccsm?
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> beij: humm??
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> explain
[11:38] <beij> beij@beij-desktop:/etc/acpi$ apt-cache search ccsm
[11:38] <flippppppppppppp> yes, that's what i installed.
[11:38] <beij> simple-ccsm - Simple Compizconfig settings manager
[11:38] <Slart> beij: nope.. I just installed regular ccsm
[11:38] <Slart> beij: but it's called compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> wrong package name
[11:38] <iconmefisto> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> what they said :)
[11:39] <beij> strange name realy
[11:39] <flippppppppppppp> ok, installing that too. but i don't think the shortcut is there.
[11:41] <dwebb2> I am trying to get lucid to do an encrypted LVM install.  I setup the luks partition and the LVM using the console and then use ubiquity to install the system.  I am having an issue however on startup.  I decrypt the luks partition fine, but it can't find my root partition and drops me to initramfs.  if I look in /dev/mapper I can see the lvm nodes (/dev/mapper/cryptlvm-root..etc).  But I can't see the /dev/mapper/cryptlvm-rootp1
[11:41] <flippppppppppppp> tbh, i don't really see the difference between ccsm and simple-ccsm. anyway, the shortcut is not there. where does it come from?
[11:41] <dwebb2> which is where ubiquity installed the root system
[11:42] <joaopinto> hum, is there a package providing mms: support ?
[11:43] <beij> smplayer/gnome-mplayer  i think
[11:44] <joaopinto> so you mean mplayer :P ?
[11:44] <beij> yes
[11:46] <joaopinto> totem should warn about that :)
[11:46] <beij> the first thing i did was to replace totem with mplayer
[11:47] <beij> totems always aks for some kinf of plugin
[11:48] <coc0nut> bug 563893
[11:48] <flippppppppppppp> mhm, i looked into the configuration of empathy and evolution, couldn't find it there either. this is driving me nuts. why can't i find out what is happening there?
[11:55] <JediMaster> mvo, thanks for the update on the mountall / do-release-upgrade bug =)
[12:14] <JediMaster> why does jocky say that nvidia_current is activated but not currently in use? If I check in Xorg.0.log I can see that it's using the "nvidia" and "glx" modules, so looks like it's using the driver
[12:16] <JediMaster> if I deactivate nvidia_current in jockey (hardware drivers) will it put it on to the Nouveau driver?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: it should
[12:18] <JediMaster> gnomefreak, ta
[12:18] <JediMaster> btw, apt-cache shows nouveau as being experimental still: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental)
[12:18] <JediMaster> I presume that's the right driver that is going to be the default in 2 weeks time for nvidia chipsets?
[12:18] <howlymowly> #python
[12:20] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: it already is deffault however im not sure if it works i havent tested in a while
[12:21] <JediMaster> gnomefreak, I meant in the stable LTS final release =)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: it will be default as of a while a go hoever that should be fixed soon if not already. a couple of days ago i lost X but it only took me a day to fix it
[12:22] <gnomefreak> s/hoever/however
[12:23] <JediMaster> I'm all for new software, but either it's still experimental (and probably shouldn't really be the default in a LTS stable release) or someone just forgotten to update the package description =)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: i would have to look at it but its not looking like today unless one of my meetd get canceled
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i do agree but either today or monday i will ping someone about it. i can always submit a patch if needed
[12:27] <jatoo> can someone please help me? i did an upgrade from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 and now  when ubuntu starts the keyboard and mouse don't work at all. in grub if i select windows 7 then it just goes back to the grub list, effectively meaning i can no longer boot up windows. my main concern is getting windows 7 bootable again...
[12:29]  * gnomefreak still using XP just not in the past 2 months or so but im not sure why that is happening
[12:29]  * gnomefreak off to see the wizard to maybe get a new brain ;)
[12:30] <acuster> jatoo, you know you can edit the boot lines by hand, right? That should let you test booting from different partitions at least.
[12:30] <jatoo> acuster, no, i don't know how to do that
[12:30] <jatoo> in grub.list or something?
[12:30] <acuster> no, from the grub screen itself
[12:31] <acuster> type 'e' or some such, it says how at the bottom of the screen usually
[12:31] <jatoo> oh, ok, i'll give that a go
[12:31] <acuster> and if it doesn't work, usually it brings you right back to the grub screen
[12:31] <jatoo> that's the behaviour i'm getting when selecting windows 7 - goes straight back to grub screen
[12:32] <SandGorgon> JediMaster, I have a XPS 1210 (nvidia 7400 + 945 chipset). I'm having a hard time with Plymouth and this KMS/nouveau madness. 10 bucks to making a  version with usplash !
[12:33] <jatoo> acuster, i've managed to open up the edit thing for windows 7, but i don't really know what i'm doing here... any idea what i should be looking for?
[12:34] <acuster> I'd look at which disk partition is being accessed
[12:34] <acuster> and try to be sure that it's hitting the right one
[12:35] <jatoo> ah, the second line says "set root='(hd1,1)'"
[12:35] <jatoo> is that what you mean?
[12:35] <acuster> yeah. your windows is on your second disk?
[12:36] <jatoo> no, i think it's on the first
[12:36] <acuster> (grub uses zero based numbering)
[12:36] <acuster> hmm, but I can't find the modern equivalent of the old menu.lst to compare this install
[12:36] <jatoo> i'm not sure exactly - is there an easy way i can check? get a list of partitions etc?
[12:37] <dwebb2> there is no menu.lst with the new grub
[12:37] <dwebb2> look at grub.cfg
[12:37] <dwebb2> menu.lst was always just a symlink to menu.cfg anyways
[12:37] <dwebb2> err
[12:37] <dwebb2> grub.cfg that is
[12:38] <acuster> jatoo, try (hd0,1)
[12:38] <acuster> I suppose partion 0 is the one grub is on
[12:39] <jatoo> acuster, that got me back to grub
[12:39] <acuster> dwebb2, doesn't grub have a console these days, where you can ask it to list what it sees?
[12:40] <dwebb2> it does
[12:40] <acuster> how can jatoo get there?
[12:40] <dwebb2> grub2 you can access the list/console by holding down shift on startup
[12:40] <jatoo> in command line now
[12:40] <jatoo> grub>
[12:40] <dwebb2> took me ages to figure that one out
[12:40] <acuster> cool
[12:41] <acuster> jatoo, do 'help' or '?' work?
[12:42] <dwebb2> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-grub2/index.html?ca=drs-
[12:42] <dwebb2> ibm has some good docs on the startup process
[12:42] <jatoo> ah yeah, 'help' does, but most of it goes off the screen
[12:42] <acuster> jatoo, http://planetstephanie.net/2009/05/27/grub2-rescue-mode/
[12:42] <acuster> may help
[12:42]  * acuster is merely googling
[12:42] <dwebb2> http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20CLI%20Mode%20Commands.html
[12:43] <acuster> and the rescue stuff in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[12:43] <acuster> jatoo, good luck, dwebb2 thanks for your help,
[12:43]  * acuster wanders off to eat
[12:44] <andre_> isn't there supposed to be a torrent client in the default install of kubuntu lucid?
[12:44] <dwebb2> transmission
[12:44] <jatoo> thanks acuster
[12:44] <dwebb2> bitorrent client
[12:44] <dwebb2> err
[12:44] <dwebb2> sorry
[12:44] <dwebb2> that is the gnome one
[12:44] <dwebb2> not kde
[12:45] <andre_> it used to be ktorrent, but not in lucid
[12:45] <gnomefreak> there is one default in KDE just cant recall the name
[12:46] <andre_> as far as I can see there is none in a fresh beta2 install of kubuntu
[12:47] <mvo> JediMaster: np, a workaorund is in progress
[12:47] <NinoScript> I tried installing a tiling window manager (i3 I think it was named), but I ended up with a completely locked system… I turned it of with the power button and now It doesn't boot, what can I do?
[12:48] <nanovim> ut does not boot?
[12:49] <jatoo> dwebb2, when i edit a command do i need to save it or just press ctrl-x to boot that command?
[12:49] <dwebb2> nothing you do there can save to the grub.cfg
[12:49] <dwebb2> just do ctrl-x
[12:50] <dwebb2> then go edit the grub.cfg  by hand once you have booted
[12:50] <jatoo> ok, um i managed to find out which two partitions are ntfs (and hence the two that could be windows) and tried both of them in editing the boot command, but neither worked, just went straight back to grub
[12:51] <dwebb2> not sure mate
[12:51] <JediMaster> mvo, being more specific with the libc6 package requirements on those first packages that are loaded?
[12:54] <jatoo> can anyone help me with getting my keyboard/mouse to work in ubuntu? as soon as it boots, the stop working
[12:55] <dwebb2> can you boot into single user mode?
[12:55] <jatoo> what's that?
[12:55] <dwebb2> reboot
[12:55] <dwebb2> hold down shift
[12:55] <Votan> anyone using beta 2 with the mainline .34rc4  kernel ?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Votan: that is not in Lucid and as i understand it will not be
[12:56] <dwebb2> when you get to the grub menu, edit the kernel line
[12:56] <dwebb2> append on "Single"
[12:56] <seidl> hi! i updated to lucid and now i have a strange error: i can't edit applets in the panel anymore. also if i try to edit the keys with gconf-editor it says the keys for the panel applets are read only. anybody got an idea on how this could be fixed?
[12:56] <mvo> JediMaster: yes
[12:56] <dwebb2> then do ctrl-x
[12:56] <Votan> gnomefreak I know but u can still install the mainline vanille kernels. and I am asking if someone's using that one in beta2
[12:56] <gnomefreak> 2.6.32-21-generic #31 is latest
[12:57] <gnomefreak> Votan: yes you can but the chances of finding someone running the same kernel is slim, it is kind of hard to give help with non official pacikages
[12:58] <Votan> gnomefreak well i know there's people in here who do run it as 2 of them were discussing it yesterday. I installe dit now myself everything's great, except that I got a strange shutdown problem
[12:58] <jatoo> dwebb2, that's just booted into the login screen again - still no keyboard or mouse
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Votan: are those 2 people here?
[12:59] <dwebb2> hrm
[12:59] <Votan> gnomefreak that's what I am asking, as I did not remember their names.
[12:59] <dwebb2> jatoo, looks like upgrading did a number and a half on your system
[13:00] <gnomefreak> look at the config for X and see if it is set up ok but either way it should work. i installed 4 times so far and havent run into that issue
[13:00] <jatoo> yeah :(
[13:00] <jatoo> went from two OSs to none...
[13:00] <dwebb2> jatoo, do you have any older grub menu entries from before you upgraded in the list ?
[13:00] <jatoo> i'm not sure, where can i check?
[13:01] <gnomefreak> #kernel (i think that is the channel or you can even try in #ubuntu-kernel but not sure how far you will get in there
[13:01] <dwebb2> reboot again, hold down shift
[13:01]  * gnomefreak going to reinstall 1 more time before release
[13:01] <dwebb2> usually when ubuntu upgrades the kernel it adds an entry to the list
[13:01] <dwebb2> and leaves the old one there too
[13:02] <jatoo> dwebb2, in grub, you mean boot the latest ubuntu holding shift?
[13:02]  * gnomefreak smoke -> email -> break things
[13:03] <NinoScript> If I installed grub on /dev/sda3, if I want to recover it, should I do: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda3 ? it says it's not good and that I should use --force :O
[13:03] <bazhang> !find openoffice.org
[13:04] <bazhang> what version of openoffice is shipping with lucid?
[13:04] <seidl> anyone who can help me with my panel/applet problem?
[13:05] <dwebb2> jatoo, just boot up and hold shift, that will take you to the grub menu...from there see if you can pick one of the older kernel entreis
[13:06] <bazhang> !find openoffice.org-gnome
[13:06] <bazhang> !info openoffice.org-gnome
[13:09] <gnomefreak> does the spread sheets print the graph lines
[13:09] <gnomefreak> s/lines/lines ?
[13:14] <DSpair> Hey gang, is there any way to get evince to substitute fonts when a required font is not installed and not embedded?
[13:17] <gnomefreak> bitchx was removed :(
[13:21] <daniskami> DSpair: if evince uses fontconfig, you can tell fontconfig which substitute font to use. Also try asking in #ubuntu (I doubt this is Lucid specific)
[13:22] <DSpair> Yeah, I just spoke with the on-line support at O'Reilly and they told me that they do not embed fonts for all of their PDFs, so the book I just bought in electronic form shows up garbled. Sucky.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: any word on why bitchx was removed from Lucid (not sure about Karmic)
[13:27] <bazhang> !bitchx
[13:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, this one?^^
[13:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: thanks :)
[13:27] <SandGorgon> DSpair, you need to play with your fonts.conf and then reboot
[13:28]  * gnomefreak uses irssi and learning weechat one of these days
[13:30] <acuster> jatoo, you get it working?
[13:30] <jatoo> ummm
[13:30] <jatoo> well i managed to find an old ps2 mouse
[13:30] <jatoo> sorry keyboard
[13:31] <jatoo> and that works! but no mouse
[13:31] <acuster> you needed a keyboard to get grub to boot windows!?
[13:31] <jatoo> and there was a box that said something about giving logitech device permission to access something or other
[13:31] <jatoo> no no no
[13:31] <jatoo> sorry
[13:31] <jatoo> i manage to get ubuntu to do something
[13:31] <jatoo> i have no idea about windows...
[13:31] <acuster> bummer
[13:31] <jatoo> yeah :(
[13:32] <dwebb2> was your last keyboard usb?
[13:32] <dwebb2> and your mouse?
[13:32] <jatoo> do you think if i install 9.10 off a cd then it will set up grub properly to boot windows?
[13:32] <jatoo> yeah, both devices wireless into the one usb port
[13:32] <dwebb2> that is an idea
[13:32] <dwebb2> or...you can even try installing 10.04 from cd
[13:32] <dwebb2> :)
[13:33] <dwebb2> I almost never upgrade now
[13:33] <dwebb2> I always do fresh installs
[13:33] <dwebb2> with upgrades you inevitably have problems
[13:34] <jatoo> hmmm ok
[13:34] <jatoo> might give that a go
[13:43] <sara_> how do i file a bug report against logging in?
[13:44] <vega> sara_: gdm probably
[13:44] <vega> (for gnome)
[13:44] <sara_> when i log in - that's a bug in it's self - it says that power manager is still running
[13:45] <sara_> i set it to auto login
[13:45] <nawst2> In 9.10 I didn't have to chmod +x every windows binary to run it with wine... What do I need to do to get that functionality back in 10.04
[13:47] <Desagas> Good afternoon Lynx users, Everytime I reboot I need to go back into Appearance and into Visual and click Extra each time as it resets to "None" after every boot up.
[13:47] <Desagas> Is there any solution to make it remember Extra and not reset back to None each time I boot up
[13:48] <joaopinto> Desagas, that is a bug, better report it
[13:48] <Desagas> joaopinto, Ok, how do I report a bug?
[13:49] <dwebb2> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ReportProblem
[13:49] <Desagas> dwebb2, thank you, i'll report it now
[13:51] <gnomefreak> preferred bug reporting == ubuntu-bug packagename
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> nawst2: how about to add those dirs to wine config ?
[13:53] <Guest39308> hello, after upgrading to 10.04 my system doesn't boot
[13:53] <Guest39308> even recovery doesn't boot
[13:55] <SwedeMike> Guest39308: you have to supply more information, just saing "it doesnt work" doesnt say anything.
[13:55] <nokia3510> On lucid, for what reason after doing sudo mkswap -U <inserted UUID here> /dev/sda1 gives no output on a subsequent sudo blkid /dev/sda1 ? The only way I can mount that swap partition is using /dev/sda1 in fstab, yet doing the same on a secondary hdd the blkid shows the generated/given UUID
[13:56] <Guest39308> ok, when booting into recovery it stops after saying "can not chroot: /etc/apparmor/initramfs" no such file or directory
[13:56] <Guest39308> then ureadahead-other main process terminates with status 4
[13:57] <Guest39308> I tried booting a live cd, chrooting to my installation and reinstalling apparmor
[13:58] <Guest39308> noting changed
[13:58] <Guest39308> anyone can help?
[14:01] <nokia3510> Guest39308, try this
[14:01] <joaopinto> Guest39308, please change to a proper nick, it makes communication easier
[14:01] <nokia3510> mount your root in /mnt
[14:01] <Guest39308> I can not, it tells me /nick isn't supported
[14:02] <joaopinto> better :)
[14:02] <nokia3510> mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[14:02] <nokia3510> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
[14:02] <nokia3510> chroot /mnt
[14:02] <Mian> nokia2510, I can not log in to a terminal
[14:02] <nokia3510> apt-get install --reinstall apparmor
[14:03] <Mian> nokia3510, all what can I do is to boot a livecd and chroot to my installation. will this work on this?
[14:03] <nokia3510> Mian, do the above commands using a live media
[14:03] <nokia3510> chroot as instructed above
[14:03] <Mian> nokia3510, thanks, I'll try
[14:04] <nokia3510> Mian, also check dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f
[14:04] <nokia3510> after doing the proper chroot
[14:04] <Mian> nokia2510, ok thanks I'll try
[14:04] <nawst2> BUGabundo_remote: You mean under Desktop Integration?
[14:04] <joaopinto> Mian, if you believe the issue is related to appamor I think you can safely remove it
[14:05] <Mian> joaopinto, can you please tell me what is apparmor and what it does so that I can feel safe removing it?
[14:06] <joaopinto> Mian, apparmor provides extra security for some applications, it restricts processes privileges
[14:07] <Mian> joaopinto, so, how it is safe to remove it?
[14:07] <joaopinto> Mian, you should be able to reinstall apparmor once your system is properly booted, and we are assuming the problem is apparmor related, I am not sure your / was properly mounted
[14:07] <joaopinto> Mian, it's safe to remove
[14:07] <Mian> joaopinto, thanks I'll try
[14:10] <BUGabundo_remote> mawst: not sure. don't have wine here. just open wineconfig and add it to the supported PATHs
[14:10] <Mian> nokia3510, I get this "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)"
[14:20] <thebishop> hello
[14:25] <Volkodav> I do not have my volume applet since early aplhas
[14:25] <Volkodav> how do I get back ?
[14:25] <kuttans> hello everybody.....the plymouth ubuntu logo is coming when i shutdown and not when i boot up. can anyone throw some light on. im using a dell laptop with intel c2d
[14:26] <kuttans> and can some one tell me how it relates to kms and whats the work around for this
[14:32] <JediMaster> hi guys I'm having a real headache, just tried the nouveau driver by uninstalling nvidia-current and the other propriatory drivers, and found the video performance too poor to use =/ so... tried to reinstall nvidia-current but even though it seems to run DKMS I can't modrobe the nvidia module
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:33] <JediMaster> xorg.0.log shows: (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[14:33] <JediMaster> I have dpkg-reconfigured nvidia-current and remove then installed it
[14:34] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, which nvidia card ?
[14:34] <JediMaster> 260 GTX
[14:34] <JediMaster> had it working with nvidia-current fine before I tried nouveau
[14:34] <JediMaster> have the backed up xorg.conf
[14:35] <BluesKaj> after installing the current driver , did you do sudo nvidia-xconfig to rewrite xorg ?
[14:36] <JediMaster> modprobe nvidia gives me: FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[14:36] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, no, but I still have the original config that worked under the same version
[14:37] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, how will that get the kernel module working anyhow?
[14:37] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, ok just done it and restarted kdm and get the same error
[14:38] <JediMaster> in the Xorg.0.log
[14:40] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, , you have to make sure the old driver is removed , then install the new driver at a tty with gdm stopped so ythat X isn't active using the driver you want to remove . Then install the new driver  . i used this driver for my nvidia card: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/proprietary-video-improvements
[14:40] <kuttans> oh god!!! seems im not getting any help anywhere
[14:40] <kuttans> ist that no one facing the problem as of mine or ist im not understanding exactly whats happening
[14:41] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, done that already
[14:41] <kuttans> can anyone tell me why im getting a blank screen while lucid is booting?
[14:41] <kuttans> and that im getting a ubuntu logo with red dots on shutting down
[14:42] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, done what already ? . I would add the those ppa debs to my sources.list then update and install
[14:43] <Odd-rationale> kuttans: maybe you're booting too fast to see the spash screen! :)
[14:43] <kuttans> no Odd-rationale. why im so sure is that im using encrypted hard disk, both root and swap so i cant boot fast until unless i provide the usb key and a passphrase to decrypt the key
[14:44] <bjsnider> JediMaster, what does dkms status get you?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> kuttans, that's normal plymouth at work on the shutdown
[14:44] <kuttans> means that my plymouth is running .but my swap space is skipped from mounting by mountall saying that plymouth is not available
[14:44] <JediMaster> bjsnider, nvidia-current, 195.36.15, 2.6.32-21-generic, x86_64: installed
[14:45] <JediMaster> bjsnider, lsmod shows no nvidia modules
[14:45] <bjsnider> JediMaster, alright so nvidia is being blacklisted. go into jockey and select nvidia-current
[14:45] <kuttans> Odd-rationale: BluesKaj : i did my homework definitely. i tried to understand what this plymouth is doing, but im unable to understand why its giving a problem on boot and not at shutdown
[14:46] <lucitu> kuttans: i see the same thing..only kubuntu on shutdown not on boot
[14:46] <kuttans> im unable to understand this KMS thing, but there should be something that i miss. i thought someone would have experienced the same problem.  And i got a lot of bug reports but they all say that the problem is fixed. but not for me
[14:46] <JediMaster> bjsnider, jockey-text says : "Searching for available drivers..." then quits
[14:46] <bjsnider> ok
[14:46] <Urda> anyone know why grub is putting a black border around my splash screen in 10.04 now?
[14:47] <Urda> grub2*
[14:47] <JediMaster> should I reinstall nouveau and do it from the jockey-kde?
[14:47] <lucitu> kuttans: i thought it was in line with the new tren..going against the norm :)
[14:47] <kuttans> lucitu: its basically because of the plymouth thing. but i havnt got any workaround or solution for that
[14:47] <Odd-rationale> kuttans: did you try an install without any encryption? that may be part of the issue...
[14:47] <bjsnider> JediMaster, jockey-text? so you've got no gui at all?
[14:47] <JediMaster> no
[14:47] <JediMaster> kdm won't start because the nvidia kernel module isn't loaded
[14:47] <BluesKaj> kuttans, I dunno for sure whether plymouth is really necessary , you may be able to boot from the tty
[14:47] <bjsnider> JediMaster, hold on a minute
[14:47] <kuttans> Odd-rationale: im a risk taker and i did this upgrade on my running system. and its loaded with gbs of downloaded softwares. i can do it in a vm i guess
[14:48] <kuttans> BluesKaj: the system im chatting now is lucid and its my current system and i recovered this system almost from scratch.
[14:48] <lucitu> kuttans: don't care less..i see it only bec shutdown is taking too long
[14:48] <JediMaster> bjsnider, kk, brb anyhow, need to get the power for this laptop =D
[14:49] <kuttans> so the problem is not that im unable to login. its the problem like 1. why plymouth ubuntu logo is not coming up 2. why swap is not mounted etc
[14:50] <BluesKaj> kuttans , check your fstab
[14:50] <kuttans> plymouth is necessary for lucid. if you remove plymouth, your initramfs will not allow you
[14:50] <kuttans> BluesKaj: anything specific you want me to check there?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> make sure you have a swap listed
[14:50] <bjsnider> JediMaster, sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia-current
[14:51] <lucitu> kuttans: not true pymouht is req
[14:51] <kuttans> ohh yeah i do have that there. its like /dev/mapper/cryptdisk-swap
[14:51] <lucitu> kuttans: do free -m
[14:51] <BluesKaj> aha cryptdisk
[14:51] <lucitu> do u see swap?
[14:51] <kuttans> lucitu: i dont think so, bcoz when i was trying to upgrade that was the problem i faced
[14:51] <Urda> anyone know why grub2 is putting a black border around my splash screen in 10.04 now? The splash screen is the same size as the resolution grub loads
[14:52] <lucitu> kuttans: df does not show swap but free -m show
[14:52] <lucitu> even mount does not
[14:52] <kuttans> yeah while booting mountall complains about this like this--mountall: skipping /dev/mapper/cryptdisk-swap since plymouth not available
[14:53] <lucitu> kuttans: what does free -m show?
[14:53] <kuttans> it says its 0 0 0
[14:54] <kuttans> just one second all of you pls
[14:54] <BluesKaj> join you folks in a min ....gonna give my back a rest in the bigeasy chair with the laptop
[14:55] <lucitu> kuttans: ok..cub be a prob for u then.  why encrypt btw?
[14:56] <lucitu> kuttans: try swapon
[14:56] <kuttans> but thats not gonna solve my problem of the boot right
[14:56] <OttifantSir> This is an issue that came with 9.04, but persists in 10.04 b2: Dell Inspiron 9400/E1705 has a subwoofer/LFE that's constantly at half volume. When using media keys, the volume of the LFE doesn't change at all, and I can't find a setting to change it.
[14:57] <kuttans> i have a 4 gb of ram and its not a problem if i dont have swap space
[14:57] <kuttans> lucitu: i have intel drivers, ist a problem y plymouth is not making it available at start
[15:04] <OttifantSir> 10.04 beta 2: Dell Inspiron 9400/E1705 has a subwoofer/LFE that's constantly at full volume. When using media keys, the volume of the LFE doesn't change at all, and I can't find a setting to change it.
[15:05] <JediMaster> bjsnider, Unknown driver: xorg:nvidia-current
[15:05] <JediMaster> bjorn, from jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia-current
[15:06] <arand> OttifantSir: Try running alsamixer in terminal, that normally exposes all available settings
[15:07] <quiritius> laptop-mode-tools conflicts with pm-utils in lucid. how to adjust hdparm correctly?
[15:08] <OttifantSir> arand: But how do I link Master, PCM (treble) and Subwoofer/LFE so they all get controlled?
[15:08] <arand> OttifantSir: No idea I'm afraid, some fiddling about with PA settings I would assume...
[15:09] <bjsnider> JediMaster, sudo jockey-text -l
[15:10] <JediMaster> bjsnider,  kmod:nvidia_current - nvidia_current (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[15:11] <JediMaster> so I guess -e kmod:nvidia_current ?
[15:12] <bjsnider> no
[15:12] <bcurtiswx3> hey, my xserver is screwed up at login, I use nvidia and want to try out the noveau driver.. how would I go about correcting the xserver error at login?
[15:13] <bjsnider> JediMaster, the previous command is the one that is supposed to work
[15:13] <JediMaster> bjsnider, on kubuntu if that makes a difference, hence kmod maybe?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, JediMaster , what about removing the current driver and not using jockey at all but installing from the tty with X turned off
[15:14] <bjsnider> JediMaster, kmod means kernel module
[15:15] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, already done that
[15:15] <bjsnider> JediMaster, try the -e command again
[15:15] <Cryp71c> New Lynx install, my terminal lists the full path, so when I navigate into my tree my bash prompt reads "user@computername: ~/someFolder/andAnother/plusThisOne$ "
[15:15] <JediMaster> bjsnider, with xorg:?
[15:15] <Cryp71c> How can I shorten that up?
[15:15] <bjsnider> yes
[15:15] <BluesKaj> are you sure you removed the old driver first tho, JediMaster ?
[15:16] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, yes, nouveau has been completely removed and rebooted since then
[15:16] <arand> bcurtiswx3: If you need to switch over to nouveau from terminal method 2 here might be useful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423210
[15:16] <joaopinto> Cryp71c, that happens because your prompt is set to show your current dir
[15:16] <bcurtiswx3> arand: ty, will go try
[15:16] <bjsnider> JediMaster, have you got nvidia-common, all of the nvidia modalias packages and so forth installed?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, ok
[15:17] <JediMaster> bjsnider, nvidia-common isn't installed but nvidia-current is
[15:17] <bjsnider> install nvidia-common
[15:17] <Cryp71c> joaopinto, how can I turn that off?
[15:17] <Mian> nokia5310, hello
[15:18] <Mian> nokia5310, I tried all what you said but still can not boot
[15:18] <JediMaster> that's going to install nvidia-173-modaliases nvidia-96-modaliases, already have the newer one installed
[15:18] <bjsnider> that's fine
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ahh, interesting point there bjsnider , gonna try to remember that
[15:18] <Mian> nokia3510, hello
[15:18] <JediMaster> bjsnider, done, same error from jockey
[15:19] <Mian> nokia3510, I tried all what you said but still can not boot
[15:19] <nokia3510> Mian, be quick, I'll be afk in a few minutes
[15:19] <nokia3510> Mian, error messages ?
[15:19] <Mian> nokia3510, I remove apparmor
[15:19] <Mian> and now no error messages
[15:19] <Mian> but still can not boot
[15:19] <arand> bcurtiswx3: Or acually, using jockey-text as discussed here might be simpler (jockey-text --disable=DRIVER)
[15:20] <Mian> what else can I try to diagnose the problem?
[15:20] <bjsnider> JediMaster, you have jockey-common and jockey-kde installed?
[15:20] <nokia3510> Mian, it's not apparmor, so you're safe reinstalling it
[15:20] <nokia3510> check out the meta packages too
[15:20] <nokia3510> ubuntu-desktop
[15:20] <JediMaster> bjsnider, yes
[15:20] <bjsnider> JediMaster, oops
[15:20] <Mian> nokia3510, how?
[15:21] <JediMaster> bjsnider, oops?
[15:21] <bjsnider> JediMaster, sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[15:21] <bjsnider> underscore instead of dash
[15:21] <JediMaster> bjsnider, fraid not: Unknown driver: xorg:nvidia_current
[15:22] <nokia3510> apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-{desktop,minimal,standard}
[15:22] <nokia3510> Mian, ^^^
[15:22] <Mian> nokia3510, thanks I'll try
[15:22] <bjsnider> JediMaster, there must still be a syntax problem
[15:23] <JediMaster> bjsnider, thanks for your help btw =)
[15:23] <nokia3510> Mian, also reinstall the kernel
[15:23] <Mian> how?
[15:24] <Mian> what is package name?
[15:24] <arand> JediMaster: bjsnider "jockey-text --confirm -d xorg:nvidia-185" works for me here on Karmic. Maybe specify version?
[15:24] <bjsnider> there is no nvidia-185
[15:24] <JediMaster> arand, -d disables?
[15:24] <bjsnider> JediMaster, join #ubuntu-x and ask there
[15:24] <bjsnider> i have to go
[15:25] <arand> JediMaster: Yea, just for testing, mine is in use currently
[15:25] <Mian> nokia3510, what is package name of kernel to reinstall?
[15:25] <bjsnider> arand, what ppa did you get that driver from?
[15:26] <nokia3510> Mian, in live cd, do sudo synaptic after doing the chroot and search fol linux image and linux headers
[15:26] <arand> bjsnider: Um, just default, Karmic. I was just pointing out the syntax
[15:26] <nokia3510> reinstall the installed
[15:26] <bjsnider> arand, oh, karmic
[15:26] <bjsnider> well, you can't use karmic
[15:27] <Mian> nokia3510, after chrooting, no gui apps can run from terminal
[15:27] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, JediMaster , alberto milone ppa has nvidia drivers that work on lucid ..works well on my 7600gt
[15:28] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, no, they're out of date
[15:28] <bjsnider> in fact  you aren't using them. you would have been upgraded by apt to lucid's version
[15:28] <bcurtiswx3> arand: that did it, thanks a ton
[15:29] <arand> bcurtiswx3: :)
[15:30] <researcher1> after I went for partial upgrade my Lynx failing to boot. Any help?
[15:30]  * bcurtiswx3 facepalms
[15:30] <coc0nut> researcher1: We need more info. Lots more.
[15:32] <joaopinto> coc0nut, and you need to specify which info is needed ;)
[15:32] <arand> researcher1: /var/log/apt/term.log* will show package history, browse and replace what was removed erroneously
[15:33] <coc0nut> joaopinto: I don't know what info is needed because I don't know what the problem is. ;)
[15:33] <bjsnider> JediMaster, killall jockey-backend. then try the -e command again
[15:33] <joaopinto>  coc0nut so it does't help much asking about more info when you don't know what to ask for ;)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, using his ppa is outdated , how can that be if it auto updates to the proper driver?
[15:34] <JediMaster> bjsnider, yeah it was running, let me try the -e again
[15:34] <coc0nut> The list of information needed to diagnose "won't boot" is a mile long.
[15:34] <coc0nut> But "won't boot and I get this error message..." is much shorter.
[15:35] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, i don't understand the question
[15:35] <JediMaster> bjsnider, took quite a while, but returned to the command prompt after "Searching for available drivers..."
[15:35] <bjsnider> apt will pick the newest version of any package no matter the source
[15:35] <bjsnider> JediMaster, try the -l command
[15:35] <JediMaster> bjsnider, "xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use)" from -l
[15:36] <joaopinto> coc0nut, where is such a list ? I am trying to get such a list, because most users don's know how what to report, and most helpers don't know how to help on this case unless the users know how to report :D
[15:36] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, how can it be outdated if it auto updates to the proper driver?
[15:36] <bjsnider> JediMaster, you're good to go. reboot
[15:36] <JediMaster> =D thanks again, rebooting
[15:36] <Mian> nokia3510, still here?
[15:36] <researcher1> arand:I missed ur message.sorry for that. Im a newbie anyway. Please guide again
[15:37] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, apt will pick the newest version of any package, whether that happens to be from a ppa or whatever. in this case, the newest version of all of those packages in lucid's archive
[15:37] <bjsnider> you can see for yourself if you go to the ppa page. all of the packages say "newer version available"
[15:39] <Mian> joaopinto, I tried all what you and nokia3510 said, I removed apparmor and still can not boot
[15:39] <Mian> joaopinto, can you help please?
[15:39] <nokia3510> Mian, just for 120''
[15:39] <Mian> nokia3510, I reinstalled kernel and no progress
[15:40] <nokia3510> Mian, error messages ?
[15:40] <Mian> nokia3510, and no error messages at booting
[15:40] <joaopinto> Mian, like I told you, I was not sure it was apparmor related at all
[15:40] <Mian> nokia3510, it just stops after mounting hd partitions
[15:40] <nokia3510> Mian, can you boot in recovery ?
[15:40] <JediMaster> bjsnider, that's done it, thanks very much =D
[15:40] <joaopinto> Mian, are you sure the hdd partitions are properly mounted, do you get a shhel ?
[15:40] <Mian> nokia3510, no
[15:40] <joaopinto> shell
[15:41] <Mian> joaopinto, no
[15:41] <Mian> joaopinto, I boot livecd and chroot
[15:41] <joaopinto> Mian, but when you try to boot in recovery mode frm the hard disk, do you get a shell ?
[15:41] <Mian> joaopinto, no
[15:41] <nokia3510> Mian, afk now. If still needing me, try again in ~5 hours
[15:42] <Mian> joaopinto, it stops after booting hd paritions
[15:42] <duffydack> Odd, gthumb has changed its layout and other stufff..  like the left hand folder list stayed there when entering a folder to make it easier to navigate to other folders, now its gone back to the old way..
[15:42] <Mian> nokia3510, thanks a lot
[15:42] <joaopinto> ok, from the chroot using the live cd check if you have an /var/log/boot.log , on your mounted chroot
[15:42] <joaopinto> and check it's contents
[15:42] <Mian> joaopinto, I removed everything from /etc/fstab to only boot root and home
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ok bjsnider , i'll check
[15:43] <Mian> joaopinto, I'll see
[15:45] <JediMaster> bjsnider, thanks again, bbl
[15:48] <Mian> joaopinto, no /var/log/boot.log
[15:48] <joaopinto> Mian, so, so probably your hd is not even mounted
[15:48] <Mian> joaopinto there are /var/log/boot an /var/log/bootstrap.log
[15:49] <joaopinto> Mian, there is some procedure to debug using an option on grub
[15:49] <Mian> joaopinto, give it to me please
[15:50] <joaopinto> I don't know it
[15:51] <Mian> so, can you please tell me what keywords to google for
[15:51] <joaopinto> it is something like adding break=init, on the kernel parameters
[15:51] <joaopinto> Mian, that should drop you on an intitramfs shell
[15:51] <joaopinto> *I think*
[15:52] <Mian> joaopinto, then what to do?
[15:53] <joaopinto> then I don't know I don't have experience debugging boot problems :\
[15:54] <Mian> joaopinto, thanks a lot
[15:54] <Mian> can anyone here help debugging boot problems?
[15:54] <Mian> after upgrading to lucid system doesn't boot
[15:55] <joaopinto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions contains some information
[15:55] <Mian> joaopinto, this page is open on my browser already now :D
[15:55] <Loki> Hallo. I was wondering if someone could help me with a issue I am having. I installed beta 2 on my netbook, but I can not get the resolution on my monitor to the max that it can do (1366x768), with Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 500 as a graphics card
[15:56] <Loki> The display apps doesn't detect any resoultions, nor does it detect the monitor.
[16:00] <Loki> There are also no proprietary drivers avail in that app either
[16:03] <Mian> hello, my system doesn't boot after upgrading to lucid. anyone can help?
[16:04] <knittl> hi, wine wants to remove some ttf package. is it safe to remove it?
[16:05] <researcher1> coconut, arand: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415608/. I want my Lynx to work correctly. Kindly advice
[16:08] <researcher1> After I made partial upgrade my lynx is not working correctly. See log here. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415608/  Any HELP please?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> Researcher1: uninstall it then reinstall it
[16:10] <Mian> ActionParsnip, can you help in my boot problem after upgrading to lucid?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Mian: I'm not conversant with grub dude
[16:11] <researcher1> ActionParsnip: How do I uninstall it?
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> Researcher1: same as any other app
[16:11] <researcher1> ok.thanks.Im trying
[16:11] <Mian> ActionParsnip, it isn't grub, grub successfully starts boot and my boot stops after mounting hard drive
[16:11] <cam_>  researcher1: I had a look at the file you posted ... whats wrong?
[16:12] <Cryp71c> How can I set my terminal to now show my CWD?
[16:12] <Cryp71c> (so that its shorter)
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Cryp71c: pwd
[16:12] <rye> Cryp71c, see bash docs about $PS1
[16:13] <Cryp71c> s/now/not
[16:13] <Cryp71c> sorry
[16:13] <ZykoticK9> researcher1, just for future reference - do NOT do partial updates!  If you get the Partial message from Update Manger you can use "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" in a terminal to update what "can" be updated.
[16:13] <researcher1> cam_: At the booting time, the word UBUNTU keeps flickering with violet background n never shows up the login screen
[16:13] <researcher1> ZykoticK9: Thanks. I will be carefull ahead
[16:14] <prayii> ZykoticK9: I've never gotten a partial update? What is that?
[16:14] <joaopinto> Cryp71c, edit your ~/.bashrc file
[16:14] <cam_>  researcher1: yeah you did a partial upgrade so the file you posted is fine cause it only upgraded the stuff it could!
[16:14] <ZykoticK9> prayii, they can be common in Development releases -- basically some package or packages can't be updated correctly (usually package is not finished sorta thing)
[16:15] <prayii> ZykoticK9: I see.. Thank you
[16:15] <researcher1> ZykoticK9: then what do i do now?
[16:16] <Mian> hello, my system stops after running /scripts/init-bottom and mounting hard drives. can anyone help?
[16:16] <ZykoticK9> researcher1, without a time machine I don't know of a solution - sorry
[16:16] <cam_>  researcher1: when at grub try and press "e" on one of the liines and remove the words quiet and splash then boot and you should see some test - and hopfully an error message
[16:17] <researcher1> cam_: let me reboot for this work
[16:17] <cam_>  researcher1: opps ... i mean you shopuld see some text*
[16:17] <joaopinto> Mian, have you tried: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade from the chroot ?
[16:17] <joaopinto> Mian, there were some mountall fixes that you maybe missing
[16:17] <researcher1> cam_: ok.let me reboot as u suggested
[16:18] <ZykoticK9> !final | ZummiG777
[16:18] <xerosis> is there anyone here familiar with triaging gnome-power-manager?
[16:18] <cam_>  researcher1: how many os's are installed on theat machine?
[16:18] <Mian> joaopinto, I 'll try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:18] <researcher1> ubuntu lynx only but shows so many kernels
[16:18] <cam_>  researcher1: ok as long as you see the grub menu !
[16:19] <researcher1> cam_: 15,16,17,18,19,20,21, and recovery option of each. such a big list...?
[16:19] <Mian> joaopinto, I am booting livecd of jaunty while my system is upgraded to lucid. can this be a problem?
[16:19] <joaopinto> Mian, no, that should work, as long you do the chroot
[16:19] <joaopinto> Mian, don't froget to sudo apt-get update first
[16:20] <Mian> joaopinto, ok thanks
[16:20] <ZummiG777> Does 10.04 include a minimal install CD version?
[16:22] <cam_>  researcher1: ok choose the most recent kernal and press "e" ... what we are trying to do is remove the splash screen so we can see all the text fly by and hopefully see the error!
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> Zummig777: I think there will be a minimal iso, not checked for one personally yet
[16:23] <ZummiG777> Thanks AP
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> Zummig777: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/lucid/
[16:26] <ASULutzy> Has anyone run into any errors with gcc in 10.04? My compiler is seg faulting when trying to compile wesnoth from source.
[16:27] <ZummiG777> Double thanks!
[16:27] <ASULutzy> http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29588 Seems like my gcc is busted... :(
[16:28] <NinoScript> I get a blinking '_' when my computer starts, no Grub2 :(, what should I do? I already followed the steps mentioned in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[16:29] <nailor> git-svn seems broken
[16:29] <nailor> does not add binaries to the path
[16:29] <cam_>  researcher1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - half way down under the heading "Editing menus during boot" - remove "quiet splash" then CTRL-x to boot
[16:30] <ASULutzy> NinoScript: And you're sure your BIOS is set to boot off the right drive? Usually when you hose up grub, when you try to boot from the drive you ought to get at least some error code or message
[16:30] <nailor> can anyone confirm that
[16:31] <ASULutzy> Can someone on 32 bit 10.04 attempt to compile wesnoth from source? When I do it, gcc segfaults. http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.8.tar.bz2/download
[16:32] <NinoScript> ASULutzy: I have a mac, the EFI bootloader  (refit) recognizes linux as it has always have, and I followed the steps but using /dev/sda3 as that's what I used in the installation "advanced settings"
[16:32] <joaopinto> ASULutzy, wesnoth does not work on lucid, there is a bug on libsdl still being worked
[16:33] <ASULutzy> joaopinto: Interesting... But even if there's a bug in a library, should gcc blow up so not-gracefully? :P
[16:33] <joaopinto> ASULutzy, no, it builds fine, at least it built fine for playdeb
[16:34] <ASULutzy> joaopinto: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29588 can you access this thread? or is the forum only viewable if registered? (I have the output of gcc and stuff there, can paste to a bin somewhere else otherwise)
[16:34] <joaopinto> ASULutzy, I am not on my main system to attempt the build right now
[16:34] <patdk-wk> I only have x64 installed
[16:35] <ASULutzy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/415621/ here's the relevant bits
[16:36] <kklimonda> segfaults in compiler often indicate meory problems
[16:36] <kklimonda> memory*
[16:36] <ASULutzy> kklimonda: It always seg faults in the same exact place
[16:36] <kklimonda> hmm..
[16:37] <ASULutzy> It's really bugging me too, I even bothered to run debsums -a -s thinking maybe some package got hit by a cosmic ray or something :P
[16:38] <joaopinto> lol
[16:38] <ASULutzy> And I don't want to file a bug report against gcc if this is a problem only affecting my system
[16:38] <kklimonda> right
[16:39] <gmatt00> has anybody had any luck with 64-bit + wine + eve online?
[16:39] <IdleOne> gmatt00: with warnings having been issued. Lucid is running great (for me)
[16:39] <AciD> hi
[16:39] <gmatt00> idle, are you running eve?
[16:39] <AciD> I'm trying to use my video projector with lucid, but somehow no video is displayed when using the default xv driver. Any idea how to fix that ?
[16:40] <kklimonda> ASULutzy: I can test it in a moment or two
[16:40] <IdleOne> I have been using it for about 2 months now. Eve, no
[16:40] <ASULutzy> kklimonda: Awesome, thanks
[16:40] <gmatt00> idleone: okay, thanks
[16:41] <AciD> (I can see the video when using the opengl driver, but it's much more slowish)
[16:42] <ASULutzy> kklimonda: If it works for you, I'm blaming pae and never installing a pae kernel again :P
[16:43] <ninjai> anybody here find a good solution for gmail notifications? gm-notify is nice, but it has a few bugs... and gmail-notify doesn't work wit hthe new notification system and has a while background around it :S
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> Ninjai: I use one in chromium that wiggles when I get a mail
[16:44] <prayii> ninjai: that show (ninjai) is awesome: also, do you use docky? their gmail applet has notifications
[16:45] <nailor> my bad. it is not supposed to work that way any longer...
[16:46] <Gogoler> Right
[16:46] <Gogoler> I need normal tech support
[16:47] <prayii> Gogoler: what is normal tech support?
[16:47] <ninjai> prayii: Hm... I dunno I am on and off with the whole dock scene. lol.  I should give that a try...
[16:47] <Gogoler> I can't login to mŭ sŭstem because ld.so makes a assertion error
[16:47] <ninjai> ActionParsnip: so you would have to be running chromium for this to work?
[16:47] <Gogoler> praii: People ĝho actuallŭ understand the OS
[16:47] <prayii> ninjai: I was too until I discovered docky. Can't live without it now.
[16:47] <Gogoler> sorrŭ for the chars
[16:48] <prayii> Gogoler: did you ask a question? I didn't see it. Sorry
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> Ninjai: yes but I use webmail and have a browser open when I'm on my desktop
[16:48] <Gogoler> I can't login to mŭ sŭstem because ld.so makes a assertion error
[16:49] <Gogoler> Ŝuestion : Can anŭone help me ĝith this? (happŭ?)
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Gogoler: can you log in as a different user?
[16:49] <Gogoler> damned esperanto characters
[16:49] <Gogoler> ActionParsnip : Logging in doesnt ĝork
[16:49] <ninjai> prayii: Ya I've used docky many times, but I'm enjoying the new look of the panels :)
[16:49] <knittl> safe to remove ttf-tahoma-replacement?
[16:49] <prayii> ninjai: I see. I'm not actually running 10.04 yet. Maybe I'll change my mind when I upgrade. =D
[16:49] <knittl> apt wants to remove it to install wine1.2
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> Knittl: its only a font so i'd say yes
[16:50] <knittl> ok
[16:50] <Gogoler> Right
[16:50] <lapion> Hello I have a laptop that from ubuntu 08.04 onwards all kernels need to be booted with nolapic and noapic as an option , otherwhise the system freezes at:
[16:50] <prayii> Gogoler: Sorry. I don't know anything about that.
[16:51] <lapion> finishing init-bottom
[16:51] <ninjai> holy crap docky stock settings are for the blind
[16:51] <ninjai> this thing is HUGE
[16:51] <prayii> ninjai: lol
[16:51] <prayii> lapion: Have you done a clean install every time?
[16:52] <Gogoler> ninjai: Blind people can't see even if it's huge :)
[16:52] <ninjai> prayii: the gmail applet isn't here where can I find it?
[16:52] <lapion> yes
[16:52] <lapion> both ways
[16:52] <ninjai> Googler: most legally "blind" people can still see a bit ;)
[16:52] <lapion> I have up to 4 partitions to experiment with
[16:52] <prayii> ninjai: Click on the Docky icon on the dock (the first one) and then click on the Docklets tab
[16:52] <AciD> ActionParsnip: the video projector works well, it's just the video display in vlc/kaffeine that shows only black
[16:53] <maxwell> hello
[16:53] <maxwell> I have a problem with my ubuntu server. I want to use my ubuntu server as a vpn. I installed pptpd and I configurated it. With my windows7 pc i can connect to the vpn server, but I can only access lan adresses like http://192.168.178.2   The problem is that I can not connect to internet websites. Could you kindly help me?
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> Acid: sounds like you need codecs
[16:53] <lapion> prayii: the only way to get the system to work is by pressing either ctrl or alt and keeping it depressed
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> Maxwell: can you ping 8.8.8.8
[16:53] <Gogoler> Hmm, people ĝith problems ranging from audio codec to a gmail notifier applet get immediate tech support
[16:53] <prayii> lapion: thats odd. How old is your laptop?
[16:54] <AciD> ActionParsnip: no I don't, it's a Xvideo driver problem combined with an external output. When not using the video projector it works well
[16:54] <Gogoler> but the guŭ ĝith a f**ked up sŭstem
[16:54] <Gogoler> no
[16:54] <lapion> prayii, or using noapic+nolapic
[16:54] <prayii> Gogoler: Support is volunteer. If no volunteer knows about your problem then they can't help you
[16:54] <maxwell> ActionParsnio: ping from my windows pc via vpn oder with my ubuntu server?
[16:54] <Gogoler> praŭii: Ĝell then, can i get proffesional tech support?
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> Maxwell: whatever system cannot access the www, can it ping 8.8.8.8
[16:56] <ASULutzy> Gogoler: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/services
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> Gogoler: there's paid for support
[16:56] <prayii> Gogoler: Not for 10.04. You can get support for 9.04 from Canonical by phone, but it does cost $$
[16:57] <wegandu> what is the channel for ubuntu off topic?
[16:58] <jpds> wegandu: #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:58] <blueyed> Since upgrading to Grub2 yesterday Ubuntu locks up in the boot process when it comes to asking for the cryptsetup passphrase. However, not always, but when it did not lockup once, it hang when waiting for another device to come up (and locked there). When locked, nothing of Alt-SysRq-X works..
[16:58] <blueyed> any pointers to existing bugs?
[16:59] <maxwell> ActionParsnio: i can ping that ip, but i can not open a website with internetexplorer or firefox
[16:59] <blueyed> This happened with grub1 sometimes, like in 1/10 boot attempts. now it's at 49 out of 50.
[17:00] <bbordwell> Is idicator applet crashing at startup for anyone else?
[17:00] <blueyed> oh well, might be related to bootchart maybe.
[17:00] <ASULutzy> blueyed: I had some issues with plymouth, one of which made it so my boot would hang if fsck happened, and my tty's weren't working, but the updates the other day fixed them... Sorry, I don't use dm-crypt or I'd try and help more
[17:01] <lapion> prayii , the last bios update is from 2007
[17:01] <blueyed> ASULutzy: well, maybe fsck has an influence on it. I should run it manually from the live cd to mark it as fixed/checked for sure.
[17:04] <blueyed> ASULutzy: I bet it's related to bootchart (also installed yesterday). I'll try that first.
[17:04] <ASULutzy> blueyed: gl ;)
[17:05] <marienz> hmm, my r300-based system has gotten oddly slow lately. At least I *think* it's recent.
[17:05] <marienz> the mouse pointer is occasionally laggy, for example.
[17:06] <marienz> and 20% cpu usage by X when I'm not really doing much probably isn't normal.
[17:06] <marienz> dmesg
[17:06] <marienz> err, wrong window
[17:07] <marienz> can anyone recommend profiling tools that'd tell me roughly what X is doing?
[17:08] <Gogoler>  hei, vhat's the librari for the dimanic-link.h
[17:10] <Mian> joaopinto, still here?
[17:11] <ninjai> anybody know why app icons in the system tray dont use transparency?
[17:12] <ninjai> the gmail-notify icon has an ugly white border around it, but the physical image used has a  transparent border
[17:13] <blueyed> Gogoler: try using "apt-file" to find the package containing a particular file.
[17:13] <blueyed> "sudo apt-get install apt-file", "sudo apt-file update", "apt-file search dinamic-link.h"
[17:14] <ojii> hi everyone
[17:14] <blueyed> Gogoler: ^^ and if it (may be) installed already, "dpkg -S FILENAME"
[17:14] <ojii> how can I add 'boot options' when booting from live cd?
[17:15] <ojii> apparently i need to use the options "nouveau.noaccel=1 blacklist=vga16fb" to install lucid on mbp 5.1
[17:18] <wegandu> why am i getting a partial upgrade option in update manager?.. should i do it ? or wait for consistent dependencies?
[17:18] <Gogoler> don't
[17:18] <mefisto__> ojii: F6 key ?
[17:18] <Gogoler> it f**ked up mŭ sŭstem
[17:19] <ojii> mefisto__: when do i hit that?
[17:19] <joaopinto> Mian, +/-
[17:19] <Mian> joaopinto, small progress
[17:19] <mefisto__> ojii: before booting, at the menu that starts "try ubuntu..."
[17:19] <ojii> ah okay
[17:19] <ojii> let's hope I'll get to that menu
[17:19] <Mian> joaopinto, I have 3 kernels installed, I can boot the oldest one in recovery
[17:21] <Mian> joaopinto, but when trying to normal boot, gnome freezes after showing the logon screen and I only can hard reset
[17:21] <joaopinto> Mian, hom, so it might be related to your graphics card driver
[17:22] <ojii> mefisto__: hitting F6 opens a little menu...
[17:22] <Mian> joaopinto, do you think so? my graphics card works fine in older versions and I still can not boot other versions of kernel
[17:23] <mefisto__> ojii: its one of the F buttons, it will let you add your own options
[17:23] <ojii> ah found it
[17:23] <ojii> hmm blinking white cursor on black screen, is that good?
[17:23] <Gogoler> ŭes
[17:24] <ojii> how long is that screen supposed to be up?
[17:28] <gil_> hello folks i need some help with dual monitor setup
[17:28] <gil_> I got dual monitor setup and running fin via the Nvidia utility but when computer goes to standby/sleep i cannot resume. what can be done about this?
[17:28] <nemo> ugh. dual monitor is so much tidier w/ ati/intel
[17:28] <nemo> shame nvidia integrates so badly
[17:28] <ojii> is it normal I see that black screen + blinking white cursor for 5+ minutes (when booting from live cd and hit 'try...')?
[17:29] <ojii> nemo: why's that? I have no problems with nvidia dual-screen
[17:29] <gil_> ojii: perhaps you can give me a hand
[17:29] <ojii> well I'm most certainly not an expert on that topic, "it just works for me"
[17:30] <gil_> ojii: i have got the nvidia xserver utility working ok but i cannot suspend the machine
[17:30] <ojii> hm i never suspend the machine
[17:30] <gil_> ok
[17:30] <ojii> I only know "on" and "off" when it comes to pc's
[17:31] <gil_> ok then
[17:31] <gil_> anyone else here using dual screen with nvidia?
[17:32] <ojii> is there anything i can do to verify it's still doing something? i expected more from lucid than just a blank screen with a blinking cursor...
[17:33] <mrp> if im connect to my network via ethernet and wireless disconnecting the ethernet drops my connections is there way to use a sort of redunacy?
[17:40] <wegandu> something is using my swap 99%.. even though i have no other apps running and memory usage is 24% OUT OF 2GB. NEED HELP
[17:43] <ASULutzy> wegandu: what is the output of free -m (just want to make sure you're reading it right)
[17:44] <avis> i just tried that, i'm glad i did, because it looks with plenty stuff loaded, i've got plenty of breathing room
[17:45] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Anyway, you can run top, then hold shift and hit the letter m
[17:46] <ASULutzy> wegandu: That will show you what is using the most memory
[17:51] <wegandu> ASULutzy, sorry im a bit new to ubuntu..
[17:51] <wegandu> ASULutzy, can u tell me the commands that i need to type in cli or shell?
[17:51] <gil_> anyone else here using dual screen with nvidia?
[17:52] <ASULutzy> wegandu: open a shell and type "free -m" without the quotes
[17:52] <gmatt00> ok i just got ubuntu 9.04 installed...should i be doing the updates, then update to 10.04?
[17:52] <gmatt00> 9.10*
[17:53] <DUK> upgrade
[17:53] <ASULutzy> wegandu: You can then paste that output to paste.ubuntu.com and share the link in here. After that, run "top" in a shell (without the quotes), then while it's running (make sure it has focus) and hold shift and push 'M' on your keyboard, that will sort the processes by which is using the most memory
[17:53] <Gogoler> to 9.10 ŭes
[17:53] <gmatt00> that sounds whacked...9.10 installed
[17:53] <Gogoler> to 10.4
[17:53] <Gogoler> NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[17:53] <gmatt00> right
[17:53] <holstein> gmatt00: you just installed?
[17:53] <gmatt00> so should i be running update manager first, or just do the 10.04 upgrade?
[17:53] <gmatt00> just installed 9.10 holstein
[17:53] <holstein> it might be faster to just fresh install lucid
[17:53] <Gogoler> 10.4 isabitch
[17:53] <ASULutzy> gmatt00: heh, why didn't you just install 10.04
[17:54] <Gogoler> 10.4 is BETA
[17:54] <Gogoler> no, not beta
[17:54] <gmatt00> cause i've got a junk wifi connection and 9.10 was at 81% downloaded
[17:54] <Gogoler> it's ALPHA
[17:54] <ASULutzy> gmatt00: It'd probably be faster to just go download a 10.04 image then it will be to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and then to 10.04
[17:54] <holstein> gmatt00: still
[17:54] <ASULutzy> Gogoler: 10.04 is beta.
[17:54] <gmatt00> im at 9.10 right now...
[17:54] <holstein> you gotta download a bunch of packages to upgrade
[17:54] <darthanubis> beta2
[17:54] <gmatt00> and running updates
[17:54] <Gogoler> Asulutzi : ŭour point --
[17:54] <wegandu> ASULutzy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/415659/
[17:54] <holstein> gmatt00: took me about 6 hours
[17:55] <gmatt00> so just download the 10.04?
[17:55] <ASULutzy> gmatt00: Yes, you would want to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo update-manager -d
[17:55] <ASULutzy> gmatt00: If you want to upgrade your existing install
[17:55] <holstein> gmatt00: thats what i would suggest, from experience
[17:55] <holstein> BUT do what you want, the upgrade works too
[17:55] <Gogoler> Don't goto 10.4 man
[17:55] <Gogoler> don't do it
[17:56] <holstein> Gogoler: this channel is all about installing, upgrading and running 10.04
[17:56] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Okay, try that top thing I mentioned ("top" in a shell, then shift +m while it's running... The first process in the list will be the one using the most memory)
[17:56] <Gogoler> Vell, if people ask if it's vorth it
[17:56] <Gogoler> then ve sai...
[17:56] <Gogoler> NO
[17:56] <Gogoler> damned esperanto chars
[17:57] <holstein> i missed that question :)
[17:57] <countess> allright I need help
[17:57] <countess> I have been running linux for years and I have never run into this problem
[17:57] <wegandu> ASULutzy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/415660/
[17:57] <Gogoler> dŭnamic-link.h
[17:57] <Gogoler> ?
[17:57] <countess> when I login it acts like it is going to load my account and then it doesnt
[17:57] <countess> it brings me back to the login screen
[17:58] <Gogoler> ŬES
[17:58] <wegandu> ASULutzy, how do i clear cache or cookies in firefox?
[17:58] <Gogoler> I'm not the onlŭ one
[17:58] <Gogoler> !!!
[17:58] <Gogoler> ĝooooooo
[17:58] <Gogoler> ĝ= vv
[17:58] <Gogoler> Ŭ = y
[17:58] <gmatt00> 30 minute eta on the 10.04 iso
[17:58] <countess> i am currently logged into a consol running irssi
[17:58] <gmatt00> is it worth it? lol, to go to 10.04?
[17:58] <Gogoler> No.
[17:58] <countess> anyone have any ideas how to fix this?
[17:59] <ASULutzy> gmatt00: The majority of folks in here are using 10.04 and enjoying it. Gogoler isn't being particularly helpful and is borderline trolling :)
[17:59] <Gogoler> countess: Trŭ to go to a console and tŭpe
[17:59] <Gogoler> and trŭ to login
[17:59] <gil_> ok i will try this aghain
[17:59] <gmatt00> okay thanks asu
[17:59] <gil_> anyone else here using dual screen with nvidia?
[17:59] <Gogoler> ĝrite ĝhat ŭou get
[17:59] <countess> Gogoler: I am logged in
[17:59] <countess> in a console
[17:59] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Well, firefox is only using 2% of your memory, and having stuff cached isn't really a bad thing, though I am curious why your entire swap file is in use
[17:59] <Gogoler> Damn it :(
[17:59] <Gogoler> ĝell
[17:59] <gmatt00> now it's 1 hr 45 mins to download...garrr
[18:00] <ASULutzy> wegandu: you've got an uptime of over 3 days, if you're that concerned you could just reboot ;P
[18:00] <Gogoler> ŭou could trŭ to sudo apt-get install --reinstall login
[18:00] <wegandu> ASULutzy, me too am curious.. if u check the only process running is irc.. even when i close irc .. it doesnt help
[18:00] <countess> allright
[18:00] <countess> one moment
[18:00] <Gogoler> Though...
[18:00] <Gogoler> It maŭ fuck up ŭour pc
[18:00] <IdleOne> !ops
[18:01] <jpds> Gogoler: Please stop.
[18:01] <Gogoler> !ops
[18:01] <gil_> has anyon been able to suspend a machine running nvidia 195 drivers with dual monitor twinview?
[18:01] <wegandu> ASULutzy, but isnt linux built to be more robust on memory leaks compared to windows or mac?.. i thought i could go on without restarting for over a year!!
[18:01] <bjsnider> you can
[18:01] <ASULutzy> wegandu: well, things being cached aren't leaks, it's good for you when things are cached (ram that isn't in use is wasted ram)
[18:02] <countess> okay reboot time
[18:02] <countess> brb
[18:02] <ASULutzy> countess: wait
[18:02] <benkong2> hey all
[18:02] <benkong2> why does my grub menuentry look like this?
[18:02] <benkong2> menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.32-21-generic' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os
[18:02] <wegandu> ill try reboot..fingers crossed.. hope my pc starts
[18:02] <benkong2> looks like the 10_linux script is messed up
[18:03] <ASULutzy> Heh, I was going to tell him/her to rm their ~/.ICEauthority, I've had that keep me from being able to log in before
[18:03] <benkong2> It boots fine just the extra stuff on the entry
[18:04] <lapion> I have solved a constant crashing problem, simply by disabling usb-legacy support in the BIOS options
[18:04] <countess> could plymouth have anything to do with my problem?
[18:04] <countess> i am noticing messages that it failed
[18:04] <ASULutzy> countess: Yes, 10.04 has been buggy with plymouth lately, I didn't have working tty's up until like yesterday
[18:05] <ASULutzy> countess: Did you say that you are able to get to the graphical login screen and then nothing happens once you login?
[18:05] <countess> what is plymouth and do I need it?
[18:05] <ChogyDan> countess: you can remove plymouth fine
[18:05] <countess> yes
[18:05] <ASULutzy> countess: Or does the login screen never appear
[18:05] <countess> it appears
[18:05] <countess> and I enter in my password and it accepts it
[18:05] <ASULutzy> countess: Try doing sudo rm .ICEauthority
[18:05] <countess> then it goes black and goes back to the page
[18:05] <ChogyDan> countess: there were bugs with plymouth + nvidia awhile back
[18:05] <countess> okay one moment
[18:06] <duffydack> If the window buttons changed order again, why isnt that being reflected in mine?
[18:07] <ASULutzy> duffydack: you can just run gconf-editor and fix it manually pretty simply if you want to, just go to apps->metacity->general->button_layout
[18:07] <wegandu> ASULutzy, thanks rebooting cleared the swap to o%
[18:07] <ASULutzy> duffydack: if you want a traditional button layout, try editing the key (by right clicking it) and then use the following key value: ":minimize,maximize,close" without the quotes
[18:07] <wegandu> ASULutzy, memory consumption is still 24% though.. any way to reduce that?
[18:08] <countess> you sure I can remove plymouth
[18:08] <countess> it gives me a strict warning not to
[18:08] <ASULutzy> countess: I said to rm .ICEauthority, not to remove plymouth :X
[18:08] <duffydack> im not too bothered tbh, but I just wondered why the preview of it shows it but my actual windows dont.
[18:08] <ASULutzy> wegandu: check free -m and top, again, just because you have stuff cached, that's a good thing
[18:08] <lapion> I had several plymouth related crashes which all seem to be related to the BIOS usb-legacy (enables legacy usb-keyboard support)  support
[18:08] <ChogyDan> countess: I don't really know.  I just remember it being the official workaround for the plymouth+nvidia issues
[18:09] <lapion> after disabling keyboard legacy or usb-legacy support in the bios my system has not crashed any more
[18:09] <m_anish> Hi, In my lucid-beta2-amd64 install gwibber-service is consuming 96-100% cpu! Is anyone aware that this is an existing issue? My machine is a Dell Inspiron 1420, with 2GB RAM powered by a 2 GHz T7300 core 2 duo processor.
[18:09] <ASULutzy> countess: If you are making it to the login screen, and are able to login but are forcefully logged out, I don't think that's plymouth? Though I could be mistaken
[18:10] <wegandu> ASULutzy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/415668/
[18:10] <Heliwr> wegandu, I'm having trouble with what appears to be a memory leak as well - and I'm fully aware that disk caching is a good thing
[18:11] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Yea, that looks about right. Gnome and X and all the other little bells and whistles use up a decent amount of RAM. If it really bugs you, you could always use Xubuntu or something like that
[18:11] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Lubuntu too, though I'm actually not too familiar with what Lubuntu has or doesn't have when compared to Xubuntu or which is more "lightweight"
[18:11] <Heliwr> in my case free and top don't actually show the missing memory, the system just starts to sue swap like crazy after several hours and becomes unresponsive
[18:11] <wegandu> ASULutzy, another question.. before when i would reboot i would get a ootloader grub with a black background... now its blue in colour with debian written at the bottom.. is this an update in lucid?
[18:12] <Heliwr> I'm having to reboot once or twice a day now to keep my system from trying to run everything on swap despite free showing tons of free memory
[18:13] <wegandu> ASULutzy, how to get luis_lopez .. sorry Lubuntu?.. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?.. im not sure about the command?
[18:13] <countess> i think you guys were wrong about removing plymouth
[18:13] <countess> it started removing all of my gnome apps
[18:13] <ASULutzy> wegandu: plymouth and related things have been doing some really weird stuff lately... I spent quite a while hosing my boot screen and tty's up and then fixing them... If you look at /etc/default/grub, maybe that's where the "debian" thing is coming from
[18:13] <countess> I shut the computer off beacause I didn't want to lose all of gonme
[18:13] <countess> gnome
[18:14] <ChogyDan> countess: I think you can just hit ctrl+c
[18:14] <wegandu> ASULutzy, is the blue screen for boot ok .. or did i do something wrong?
[18:14] <countess> it didn't work to hit ctrl+c
[18:14] <countess> well now the system is borked
[18:15] <ChogyDan> countess: well, make sure to run sudo apt-get install -f
[18:15] <countess> I guess I can reinstall ubuntu-desktop to get everything back
[18:15] <holstein> you shut it off countess ?
[18:15] <ASULutzy> countess: I don't know who told you to remove plymouth. I just said to rm .ICEauthority, did you try that?
[18:15] <holstein> what does that mean?
[18:15] <countess> yes I did ASULutzy
[18:15] <holstein> you had a package manager removing packages? and shutdown the computer?
[18:15] <m_anish> In Lucid-beta2-amd64-development branch gwibber-service is consuming 96-100% cpu on a 2 GHz intel core 2 duo cpu. Any ideas how to fix this?
[18:15] <countess>  better then losing the entire system
[18:15] <countess> give me a moment
[18:15] <ASULutzy> wegandu: I'm not sure which is more "lightweight" Lubuntu or Xubuntu, I would google and compare them. Xubuntu is an officially recognized Ubuntu derivative, you can find it here: http://www.xubuntu.org/
[18:16] <countess> I am in a recovery shell
[18:16] <holstein> countess: in the future, thats not a great idea
[18:16] <ASULutzy> wegandu: I would stick with Ubuntu though, unless you're experiencing significant performance issues. I mean, just because it's using 25% of your memory, is that really bugging you for any actual reason?
[18:16] <ASULutzy> wegandu: But feel free to check out Xubuntu of course
[18:17] <wegandu> looking at the details i pasted last.. you think im good to use gnome?.. i tried xfce before.. also tried kde and lxda.. liked lxda better than xfce.. but love gnome for being simple and not resembling windows too much
[18:17] <ASULutzy> m_anish: uninstall gwibber and gwibber-service ;)
[18:17] <Heliwr> does anyone else have problems with their system using swap like crazy after several hours despite having tons of free memory and having vm.swappiness-0?
[18:18] <duffydack> Heliwr, try setting to 10
[18:18] <Heliwr> I have, same problem
[18:18] <wegandu> ASULutzy, befoe it wouldnt use 25%.. just today its happening.. before it would max up to 7%.. and hardly even ever touch the swap..
[18:18] <ASULutzy> wegandu: To me, the amount of ram currently in use doesn't really bug me one way or the other. If the system is sluggish, the system is sluggish, if it's not, it's not. With 2 GB of ram, you're probably okay to use regular old Ubuntu as long as you aren't trying to run VM's simultaneously and what not
[18:18] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Hmmm, not really sure, beta software is beta and all ;)
[18:19] <Heliwr> I have 2G RAM and 2.5G swap, after several hours the swap fills up and the system becomes extremely slow despite free -m showing >1G RAM available
[18:19] <wegandu> Heliwr, ASULutzy is this a bug?
[18:20] <Heliwr> it seems pretty buggy to me, I never had this problem with karmic
[18:20] <ASULutzy> Heliwr: I certainly wouldn't consider it a feature :)
[18:20] <ASULutzy> Heliwr, wegandu: I am not experiencing that issue however
[18:20] <wegandu> ASULutzy, i live to run windows 7 ultimate on vmware workstation.. it is sluggish on gnome.. can i run it on lxda.. or xfce?
[18:21] <wegandu> *i like.. not live
[18:21] <Heliwr> I have seen someone else describe a similar problem as me in a couple different bug reports - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/563400 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/501715
[18:21] <Heliwr> but I get this even with BO disabled and even when not playing flash videos
[18:22] <wegandu> Heliwr, how can i file a bug... never reported a bug ... dont know how to.. is it easy?
[18:22] <wegandu> Heliwr, i was playing too many flash videos.. i guess thats my problem
[18:22] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Pretty tough to run both, I'm sure it's doable, but yea, it won't be ideal... Consider a ram upgrade, ram is pretty cheap these days
[18:24] <wegandu> ASULutzy, Heliwr im getting an option for partial update in update manager since morning... i heard its not safe to do partial upgrades.. how can i fix it to do a regular update?.. partial update is of230mb..
[18:24] <countess> woot it is fixed somehow
[18:24] <countess> thanks for your help, sorr if I misudnerstood you
[18:24] <countess> I ran a simple sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it is fixed
[18:24] <ASULutzy> wegandu: Eh, it's not ALWAYS not safe to do partial upgrades. You can do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see what it says it's going to do... If it says it's going to remove half your system, you obviously don't want to
[18:25] <ASULutzy> wegandu: But there are legitimate reasons for needing to do a dist-upgrade
[18:26] <wegandu> it will remove ttf-tahoma-replacement
[18:38] <lapion> How cool is that, I am finally able to use both dvb and analog tv capabilities of my pcmcia card simultaneously
[18:41] <skeebo> Sorry for a redundant question, but I have installed Lucid beta 2, and I'm wondering if regular updates through update-manager will bring me to essentially the "final release", or do I need to do "--dist-upgrade" as well?
[18:43] <billybigrigger> skeebo, regular updates will bring you to final release
[18:43] <seidl_> hi! i updated to lucid and now i have a strange error: i can't edit applets in the panel anymore. also if i try to edit the keys with gconf-editor it says the keys for the panel applets are read only. anybody got an idea on how this could be fixed?
[18:43] <skeebo> From what I understand is I'll have the exact system / packages as a fresh install of the final release, the only difference is bits of older packages left over on the system? Am I correct?
[18:43] <skeebo> billybigrigger, ty
[18:44] <billybigrigger> skeebo, np
[18:44] <standard> Hello, I am trying Ubuntu Lucid and apparently the file manager doesn't unblock the partitions on my USB external drive, so that it's impossible for me to mount and use them. Any ideas on the cause?
[18:44] <billybigrigger> standard, im taking a shot in the dark, try adding your user to the disks group
[18:45] <billybigrigger> also i don't know if usb disks are mounted via fuse now, you might have to add your user to the fuse group
[18:45] <thoeger> Hello Cannel; using Lucid, I cannot mount my external USB drive (ext3 formatted). When connected during a system upgrade, the disk suddenly appeared and worked perfectly. But now, I cannot mount it again.
[18:46] <standard> Apparently the file manager keeps the disk "busy" and also when I try restarting the system it warns me that the file manager is still busy
[18:46] <standard> I tried to kill nautilus obviously without success
[18:47] <seidl_> anyone here got an idea what could cause gconf to set a property to read only (though there seems to be no entry in this /etc/gconf.mandatory thing)?
[18:48] <standard> thanks billyb, I will try and see whether it works
[18:48] <maxb> Is anyone else being troubled by the little checkmarks alongside on/off menu options being white-on-grey and so near invisible?
[18:50] <thoeger> So, having seen that my drive can work just fine, I guess there's a setting wrong somewhere. I am in the fuse and disk groups...
[18:54] <standard> @thoeger the installation in my case is fresh and I haven't touched anything yet. I have just noticed my USB drive's light is constantly red, as if the partition was busy doing something, so the system won't let me mount it and access the data. It also mentions some error like gtk+ or something like that.
[18:55] <thoeger> @standard: My installation is fresh too (did it today)and my led on y drive is constantly blinking, but not getting any gtk errors though...
[18:56] <avis> thats the brakes.  sorry to hear that
[18:57] <standard> @thoeger I don't know what the cause is. It's just a pity because I can't access anything, even if the system actually sees the partitions on the external drive.
[18:58] <standard> ubuntu unblocks the partitions only after restarting, and reblocks them at the login
[18:58] <thoeger> standard: disk utility shows mine as unallocated space. Which is odd considering that after a restart of whatever service it was, it saw and mounted the partitions just fine...
[18:59] <ASULutzy> Could someone in here tell me what "sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth" attempts to install?
[18:59] <ASULutzy> You don't have to actually install the packages
[19:00] <standard> @thoeger for what I have been able to see here, the file manager goes crazy for some reason and keeps the drive busy
[19:01] <Bigbrumbrum> Hello :)
[19:01] <bittin> Hi
[19:01] <thoeger> standard: But nobody seems to have any suggestions as to how to solve it - hmm...
[19:02] <ASULutzy> If someone who is running 10.04 could just type the following into a terminal and tell me what packages it attempts to install, I would appreciate it "sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth"
[19:02] <standard> thoeger: apparently not, maybe it's an exclusive of mine... :-)
[19:03] <Bigbrumbrum> I hate hate hate this new ubuntu :P
[19:03] <ASULutzy> Eh, I'll just fire up a VM and check myself
[19:03] <pa> hi
[19:03] <pa> question: i upgraded lucid today
[19:03] <pa> and in firefox 3.6.3 the middle button doesnt anymore "open in a new tab"
[19:04] <Bigbrumbrum> pa: go check keyboard shortcuts
[19:04] <pa> where?
[19:05] <Bigbrumbrum> pa: system>preferences>keyboard shortcuts
[19:05] <pa> ah thanks
[19:05] <Bigbrumbrum> np :)
[19:06] <lapion> Hello, I get several system crashes with the following error: [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung.
[19:06] <_rot_> hey guys! with the help of someone at #gnome i found out what the panel problem is. it seems to be a bug in the netbook edition of lucid that sets all panel appelts to mandatory and thus uneditable. can someone help me report this? dunno how to use the tracker
[19:06] <thoeger> ASULutzy: There's a whole big bunch of stuff (and might be packages that are already installed and therefore not showing up) - don't you think a vanilla istall in a VM would be a safer bet?
[19:06] <lapion> that is after the xserver closes...
[19:06] <ASULutzy> thoeger: Yea, I just fired up a VM, better idea anyway :)
[19:06] <thoeger> ASULutzy: I'd happily do it for you but my system isn't vanilla anymore
[19:07] <standard> Lapion: I bet it's the graphic card driver that crashed
[19:07] <Bigbrumbrum> i cant get xserver to work at all lapion, but i think its an grapical driver who failed
[19:08] <standard> Lapion: do you use an NVidia by any chance?
[19:08] <pa> I checked keyboard shortcuts
[19:08] <lapion> It sonly seems to do it when I let the cpu run at full-clockspeed
[19:08] <pa> but idont have anything there
[19:08] <pa> the same on a karmic
[19:08] <pa> i think it depends on firefox
[19:08] <lapion> Nopi standard intel 845 (i915 driver)
[19:09] <ASULutzy> Well, if I still can't compile it after this, the only thing i can think of is that somehow the pae kernel is evil, but that seems silly.
[19:09] <standard> Lapion: that's strange, I have the same one and it didn't give me that problem. Do you overclock your processors?
[19:09] <vish> anyone know how to downgrade a package?  i need to do a bit of testing and was asked to downgrade and see if it helps
[19:10] <vish> the package is not in the /var/cache/apt/archives , so had to download the .deb , but gdebi keeps saying No!
[19:10] <lapion> nope but it's a P4-2.8
[19:10] <ASULutzy> pa: Play around with the settings in firefox, or just google it, I'm sure you can find the setting somewhere if you put about:config in the address bar and hit enter
[19:11] <pa> ok thanks
[19:11] <Bigbrumbrum> how to force start an app?
[19:12] <awc> I'm having some trouble with my workspace switcher, its there, but i can't switch between workspaces using my shortcuts or even just clicking on the next workspace
[19:13] <standard> :apion: I think the new graphic drivers implemented in Lucid have gone crazy with your particular hardware configuration. I wouldn't know what to suggest at the moment, except for you to wait another week or so until the official version is released and see whether the updates resolve the problem.
[19:13] <lapion> standard, and I don't overclock it, it's a toshiba laptop without capabilities to overlcok
[19:14] <awc> at first my window manager wasn't working, so my father had me restart it by using --compiz replace in the terminal
[19:15] <gmatt00> what exactly is the + to 10.04?  what would make it better for me then using regular 9.10?
[19:15] <awc> that helped, but then i get this message: compiz (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format
[19:15] <awc> compiz (cube) - Warn: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/ubuntu.png
[19:15] <awc> anysuggestions?
[19:16] <coz_> awc,   intel video?
[19:16] <awc> yes
[19:17] <standard> gmatt00 wait until the official version is out. There are many changes compared to the previous version, but the present one is still under testing and as you could read here, we have several problems with it.
[19:17] <coz_> awc,   you might want to read this   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/561577
[19:17] <awc> thanks coz_
[19:17] <coz_> awc,   its not good news  though
[19:17] <standard> gmatt00: here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.10 is a list of the changes for your reference
[19:17] <awc> haha a bug report never is
[19:21] <coz_> awc,  does that seem to cover your issue?
[19:22] <awc> well i don't think so, i don't have dual monitors
[19:22] <coz_> awc,  no but what is your max texture size?
[19:22] <awc> erm
[19:23] <coz_> awc,    in terminal     glxinfo -l |grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[19:23] <awc> 1280x800
[19:23] <awc> ty
[19:23] <awc> 4096
[19:23] <coz_> awc,  oh
[19:23] <coz_> awc,  then that bug shouldnt effect you as far as I know.... what is the issue again?
[19:24] <awc> i can't switch workspaces
[19:24] <awc> using the keyboard shortcuts
[19:24] <coz_> awc,  is the viewport switcher plugin enabled?
[19:24] <awc> i can change workspaces by using Super+E and then selecting the workspace with the arrowkeys and hitting enter
[19:25] <awc> hmm not sure
[19:25] <coz_> awc,  open ccsm and check under the Desktop category   Viewport swticher
[19:25] <awc> yes it is
[19:26] <coz_> mmm
[19:26] <coz_> awc,  and you are usign desktop cube  or  desktop wall?
[19:26] <awc> wall
[19:26] <coz_> awc,  with how many viewports/
[19:26] <awc> 4
[19:26] <coz_> mm
[19:26] <awc> owait
[19:26] <coz_> awc,  and  ctrl+alt+left or right arrow doesnt work?
[19:27] <awc> it seems as though the desktop wall wasn't eneabled
[19:27] <awc> it works fine now
[19:27] <coz_> awc,  ah that would help :)
[19:27] <coz_> awc,  there you go :)
[19:27] <awc> lol, I just needed to open my eyes more i guess
[19:27] <awc> anyways thanks for the help
[19:28] <coz_> awc,  no problem
[19:30] <Dr_Willis> Wow - getting some very Weird  issues from yesterdays updates...   hope this latest batch of updates helps..
[19:30] <Dr_Willis> I go to the console - and about 10 seconds later.. it goes back to the X display... never seen that happen befor.
[19:31] <coz_> o0
[19:31] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  let me try  just booting into system with new updates
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> I got a new batch of updates now comming in., I had to keeop going alt-ctrl-f1 to get back to the console time and time again to type the commands.
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> I figured id update/upgrade and see if that helped befor i asked much more in here.
[19:32] <vish>  anyone know how to downgrade a package?  i need to do a bit of testing and was asked to downgrade and see if it helps  ,   the package is not in the /var/cache/apt/archives , so had to download the .deb , but gdebi keeps saying No!
[19:33] <Dr_Willis> dont use gdebi perhaps.. uninstall the newer one.. install the older one via command line
[19:33] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  well I did get weird stuff about plymouth when going to text console and it lagged before I could log in there but  it didnt go back into x
[19:33] <Dr_Willis> plymouthd - was spitting out a lot of weird messages also.
[19:33] <vish> Dr_Willis: i cant uninstall xserver-xorg-video-ati :( , how do i force a downgrade ?
[19:33] <coz_> Dr_Willis,   that part I did get
[19:33] <Dr_Willis>  showing once again that the eyecandy stuff is causing so many issues. :)
[19:34] <Dr_Willis> vish:  if you cant Uninstall it.. i dont see how you can downgrade.
[19:34] <vish> hmm :s
[19:35] <Dr_Willis> Whats also amuseing. is that im pretty sure i disabled the Plymouth services
[19:35] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  mm  let me try it again hold on...have to move chair to lucid machine :)
[19:35] <Dr_Willis> wow look at the  nes  conf packages in /etc/init.
[19:36] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  ok this time no problem :(
[19:36] <Dr_Willis> must be me seeing files as things are in Mid-update.. lots of whatever.conf.dpkg-new files in /etc/init it seems
[19:37] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, join the Plymouth haters party... I already have 10 bucks for a xsplash version of 10.04 : no plymouth, no KMS and no nouveau
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> hve no issues with KMS. it actually worked very well for me.
[19:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Im seeing a gdm kdm and lxdm going in htop.. odd
[19:38] <Dr_Willis> I told it to use lxdm.
[19:38] <Dr_Willis> perhaps thats whats  poping X back up.
[19:42] <wcGary83> Hi all!  I have noticed that totem always defaults to mute on startup... which is very annoying behavior, especially when embedded in firefox- is there a way to set it to default to max volume?
[19:43] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen that issue wcGary83   Then again - i normally use totem once.. then realize ive frogotten to install vlc :)
[19:44] <m_anish> Is it just me or is the metacity configuration screwed *again*. I just updated my lucid-beta install and the positioning of metacity close, max, min icons icons changed again. They are still placed on the left but their ordering has changed from       | x | - | + |       TO     | + | - | x |     .Is anyone else facing the same issue?
[19:45] <Dr_Willis> I just change them back to the right how i want them.. :)
[19:45] <wcGary83> Dr_Willis: true, true... buy I have a problem with vlc, where the sound is muted when playing .flv files...
[19:47] <Dr_Willis> I cant recall ever playing flv in vlc...
[19:47] <Dr_Willis> Then again. I tend to convert flv to more friendly formats also :)
[19:50] <wcGary83> yes, but this totem behavior might be a bug... should I try to file a report?
[19:50] <fiveop> Now trying 10.04 I have the problem, that unlike before I cannot seem to use the key sequence C-S-q for the purpose of switching a window to fullscreen mode. I configured it as stated under Keyboard Shortcuts and configured Close Window to disabled (since I don't use it) and still hiting C-S-q closes my windows. In fact configuring Toggle fullscreen mode to S-C-s instead (for example) doesn't work either, because then nothing happens. Any idea
[19:50] <_stryk3r> Hi everybody
[19:52] <_stryk3r> For some reason my wireless connection is terrible in ubuntu. it doesnt like to connect and when it does its really slow and volatile. Can anyone help me out?
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. well updates - seems to have helped some.
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> Check the forums/bug reports for issues with your speicfic wireless chipset for starters.
[19:53] <_stryk3r> Dr_Willis, didn't think of that. right now I'm updating so if it doesn't work after that I'll check that out. Someone had told me yesterday it was firmware but im not sure what they meant.
[19:54] <_stryk3r> firmware problem*
[19:54] <Mian> joaopinto, still here?
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> some wireless cards (many) use a binary-blob firmware file from their manafactures to work properly
[19:55] <_stryk3r> Oh, well mine is ath5k so idk if it uses that or not. I'll definitely check the forums
[19:56] <Dr_Willis> ATH5K Worked for me with no hassles on my netbook
[19:56] <Dr_Willis> but theres proberly lots of variations on that chipset
[19:56] <Mian> hello, after upgrading to lucid my system doesn't boot
[19:57] <Mian> anyone can help tracing boot?
[20:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm - This balazar Brothers game.. looks neat.. but seems to need a lot of work :)
[20:03] <Dr_Willis> night all
[20:07] <LinuxGuy2009> Wow lots of updates this morning. I had 180. Keeps on improving.
[20:08] <Zelda> i only have 42
[20:08] <Guest6707> silly ? .. anyone know how to get to the grub boot menu
[20:08] <Mian> my system doesn't boot after upgrade to lucid. any help please
[20:08] <Guest6707> tried f7 as well as esc keys
[20:08] <C-S-B-N900> Guest6707: shift
[20:08] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: I would clean install. Goes a bit smoother most of the time.
[20:09] <Mian> linuxguy2009, are we using ms-windows?!!! clean install make me loses all my settings and installed apps
[20:09] <Guest6707> sweet, thanks C-S-B-N900
[20:10] <C-S-B-N900> Guest6707: np
[20:10] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: If your so much of a noob that you dont know how to backup home then using a Beta isnt for you.
[20:10] <guntbert> !noob | LinuxGuy2009
[20:10] <Mian> I am not a noob, but backing up and restoring could take 2 days of me
[20:11] <LinuxGuy2009> guntbert: Bite me.
[20:11] <guntbert> LinuxGuy2009: no :)
[20:11] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: Testing a Beta means there WILL be problems.
[20:11] <Mian> linuxguy2009, I know and I am here for fixing then reporting the problem :)
[20:12] <Mian> can anyone help please
[20:12] <Mian> even recovery doesn't boot
[20:12] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: Do you have a specific question as to what needs fixed? Or are you trying to diagnose still?
[20:13] <Mian> linuxguy2009, all what I have is that I see hard drives are mounted then stops!
[20:13] <whitey> hello all
[20:13] <whitey> anyone having bad luck loading beta 10.04 in VMware Fusion
[20:13] <Zelda> bad video drivers?
[20:13] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: Im not sure how I can help with so little info. I would start with a bug report and go from there.
[20:13] <Zelda> you running nvidia?
[20:14] <Mian> zelda, no
[20:14] <Zelda> no to which?
[20:14] <Mian> zelda, no to running nVidia, I am running Intel
[20:14] <devilsadvocate> Zelda, if recovery doesnt work too then he isnt even reaching that far
[20:15] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: Have you checked your fstab entries to make sure they are correct?
[20:15] <devilsadvocate> Mian, how do you know the hard drives are mounted?
[20:15] <ChogyDan> Mian: you can at least boot a livecd, chroot, and upgrade your system
[20:15] <Zelda> just a thought to trouble shooting.
[20:15] <Mian> chogydan, I did and didn't help
[20:15] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: Have you checked fstab entries?
[20:15] <Mian> devilsadvocate, I see messages printed saying hard drives are mounted
[20:16] <ChogyDan> Mian: are you using 32 or 64bit?
[20:16] <Mian> chogydan, 64
[20:16] <ChogyDan> Mian: the archive is out of sync.  Maybe wait 6 hours and try again
[20:16] <LinuxGuy2009> Forget it.
[20:17] <Mian> linuxguy2009, yes, I double checked fstab and it seems good, I even commented out all entries except for / and /home and also didn't help
[20:18] <Mian> chogydan, isn't there something else to try? if there is a problematic package I may remove it
[20:18] <Mian> I even tried boot using old kernels and still doesn't help
[20:21] <Zelda> maybe your hdd went out.
[20:22] <Mian> zelda, everything goes well when booting from live cd and all files are accessible
[20:22] <Zelda> well then nevermind,.
[20:23] <NET||abuse> hey guys.. anyone got full version virtualbox (not ose) working on 64bit lucid?
[20:24] <Zelda> well, looks like it missed a file or something during the install.
[20:25] <Zelda> missing a pkg.
[20:26] <Juvi> Does anybody know how do I make sure my LXDE translations will make into lubuntu? I am translating upstream, but I don't know when/how those changes will be used.
[20:29] <Mian> zelda, so, what logs can I review or what may I do to diagnose?
[20:29] <jmichaelx> anyone else wind up unable to boot into GUI after updates today? i did a dist-upgrade an hour or so ago, and upon reboot, i got an austere GDM, that when after logging in just brought me back to GDM again. any suggestions?
[20:30] <NET||abuse> virtualbox is talking about installing the "dkms" module,, is this something that's available on lucid?
[20:30] <NET||abuse> sorry, the dkms package, not module neccessarily.
[20:30] <jmichaelx> i tried to get into both Gnome and LXDE
[20:32] <Guest6707> anyone know how to fix this NVIDIA: Failed to load the nvidia kernel module error?
[20:32] <bjsnider> what's the context?
[20:34] <Guest6707> No drivers available, X won't start on reboot.  Just updated to the latest kernel
[20:35] <c_korn> hello, I have a 40GB ssd from Intel. I was sure that some weeks ago hdparm has output that it supports the TRIM command. but now it does not anymore. can some kernel patch have caused this ?
[20:39] <LinuxGuy2009> For autoligin I guess I have to set my login keyring password to empty or something. Where do I do that, and are there any downsides to doing so?
[20:39] <c_korn> this is it: http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/value/datashts/322736.pdf
[20:40] <c_korn> according to page 1 it supports: "Trim Attribute"
[20:40] <C-S-B-N900> LinuxGuy2009: its under accessories passwords and keys
[20:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Oh I was looking in system
[20:41] <C-S-B-N900> youd think
[20:41] <C-S-B-N900> bit unituitive
[20:41] <LinuxGuy2009> yep
[20:43] <LinuxGuy2009> So what do I have to do? I see unlock password for: user keys. Do I edit it or delete it or what exactly?
[20:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Or am I looking at the wrong thing?
[20:45] <c_korn> just forget what I said. hdparm still outputs the TRIM support but my grep to fetch it was broken :)
[20:46] <LinuxGuy2009> I guess no one knows how or it isnt a good idea to do this.
[20:48] <om26er> can any one please try to just start and then close evolution and then see if there is a weired behavior in the messaging menu? (if fully updated)
[20:50] <C-S-B-N900> om26er: mines opening and closing ok atm.
[20:50] <C-S-B-N900> afaik
[20:51] <c_korn> hm, but the wiper script for Intel SSDs fails on lucid. I am reading reports that it succeeds in karmic. should I file a bug against the kernel in lucid ?
[20:51] <om26er> C-S-B-N900, are you fully updated?
[20:52] <C-S-B-N900> yeah, i ran it earlier.
[20:52] <delight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-4xTkN1_RQ is there any way this can make it into lucid code is at http://gitorious.org/oskude-plymouth-themes/space-sunrise
[20:52] <C-S-B-N900> I cant check again just yet.
[20:53] <om26er> c_korn, I have an intel SSD on a netbook that I have and it has becomes very slow with the usage of an hour. Am I the victim?
[20:54] <c_korn> om26er: the performance drop should not be noticable after one hour of usage. only if you delete large amounts of data
[20:55] <om26er> c_korn, can you please give the bug number so that I could read a few comments.
[20:57] <TommyThaGun> whoa.. I just had a serious kernel problem
[20:57] <TommyThaGun> that was random
[20:57] <c_korn> om26er: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2899336&group_id=136732&atid=736682
[20:58] <TommyThaGun> let me try to recreate that
[20:59] <c_korn> om26er: here is someone using the 2.6.32 kernel on Ubuntu 9.10 and also gets the IO-Error: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=2274f8a7b26181ec7c68d1ef03cafe50&t=1433967
[21:00] <jmichaelx> what should one do to cause the grub menu to show-up at boot?
[21:00] <ZykoticK9> jmichaelx, hold shift
[21:01] <TommyThaGun> question: how do you change the position of the close window, minimize window and maximize window buttons in the default theme, Ambience
[21:01] <TommyThaGun> isn't there something in gconf?
[21:01] <ZykoticK9> !controls
[21:01] <jmichaelx> ZykoticK9: tyvm
[21:02] <LinuxGuy2009> What is the process for using autologin and not being prompted for a password to unlock my keyring?
[21:04] <ZykoticK9> LinuxGuy2009, use the option when you enter the nmpass to "Use unsafe storage" or similar for your network password/key
[21:04] <guntbert> LinuxGuy2009: not recommended -- but you *can* set an empty password for your key ring :-)
[21:04] <jmichaelx> with latest update, i believe gdm died
[21:08] <agronholm> does iotop work for anyone on lucid?
[21:08] <TommyThaGun> I kinda get this feeling that the networkmoniter applet should be in the indicator applet
[21:09] <TommyThaGun> !kernel
[21:10] <agronholm> ah I see there is already an issue open for iotop
[21:10] <ZykoticK9> agronholm, seems to work here
[21:10] <ZykoticK9> agronholm, i am seeing "CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %" at the bottom though
[21:10] <agronholm> ZykoticK9, how can that be possible? are you running a custom kernel?
[21:10] <agronholm> that's what I mean
[21:12] <LinuxGuy2009> Ok I guess if its not recomended then i wont use it.
[21:13] <LinuxGuy2009> Sutologin is pretty pointless feature when you still are basically logging in anyways with your password to unlock a keyring. Not a big fan of that.
[21:13] <Mian> can anyone please help me tracing what is going on my system? I can not boot
[21:14] <guntbert> LinuxGuy2009: it depends entirely on your situation: if you use the keyring for other things too (besides your wireless access) it might be a security risk - but if thats the only data you store there ... (I removed the key ring password on my notebook)
[21:14] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: Clean install would have probably had you fixed by now. hmm
[21:15] <duffydack> so, Gthumb is now crashing on me...
[21:15] <Mian> linuxguy2009, clean install will cost me about two days of configuring and getting everything back again, please I want to fix the existing system
[21:16] <Mian> what can I do to see what is happenning?
[21:16] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: I think most experienced people keep home on a seperate partition, just for cases like yours.
[21:16] <jmichaelx> Mian: how far are you actually getting when you try to boot?
[21:17] <Mian> linuxguy2009, I already have home on another partition
[21:17] <Mian> linuxguy2009, it stops after mounting hard drives without error messages
[21:17] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: So why would you think that it would take 2 days to do a clean install?
[21:18] <Mian> to install all my apps again
[21:19] <Mian> linuxgut2009, my internet connection isn't fast
[21:19] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: "dpkg --get-selections > installedpackages" then on new system "dpkg --set-selections < installedpackages"
[21:19] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian aptoncd
[21:19] <Mian> linuxguy2009, It will take too much time to download everything again
[21:19] <joaopinto> Mian, reinstalling will not help you
[21:19] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: APTonCD
[21:19] <joaopinto> LinuxGuy2009, please stop providing the wrong help
[21:19] <LinuxGuy2009> joaopinto: How do you know it wont?
[21:19] <Mian> linuxguy2009, is this a command or what?
[21:20] <LinuxGuy2009> joaopinto: Wrong help, says you.
[21:20] <joaopinto> LinuxGuy2009, because reinstalling is not a proper way to fix a a problem resulting from an upgrade
[21:20] <LinuxGuy2009> Mian: APTonCD will backup all packages in the apt cache folder and you will not have to download apps installed from the repos.
[21:21] <LinuxGuy2009> joaopinto: He has no system at all.
[21:21] <joaopinto> and anyway if he did a clean install, that will not remove his data
[21:21] <joaopinto> LinuxGuy2009, yes he does, which he can access from a livecd to diagonize
[21:21] <joaopinto> and which can partially boot with an older kernel
[21:21] <LinuxGuy2009> joaopinto: Last time i did a clean install the old install goes away.
[21:21] <nokia3510> Mian, as jmichaelx said, you need to get more verbosity on startup messages
[21:21] <joaopinto> LinuxGuy2009, that is because you have selected to format the / partition, which is not required
[21:21] <jmichaelx> as joaopinto* said
[21:22] <LinuxGuy2009> joaopinto: blind leading the blind
[21:22] <jmichaelx> but i do concur ^-^
[21:22] <joaopinto> Mian, just to flashback a bit, why did you got into the non bootable scenario ?
[21:23] <LinuxGuy2009> joaopinto: OMG he upgraded.
[21:23] <Mian> yes I just upgraded and upgrade finishes normally
[21:23] <Mian> when I restarted after the upgrade it didn't boot
[21:24] <jmichaelx> Mian: do you get to the GDM login screen?
[21:24] <Mian> no
[21:24] <nokia3510> Mian, check /var/log/
[21:24] <Mian> jmichaelx, it even doesn't reboot in recovery
[21:24] <joaopinto> it is hanging before the FSs mount
[21:24] <jmichaelx> Mian: have you tried holding down shift to get to your grub menu, and then booting into safe graphics mode?
[21:24] <Mian> nokia3510, what exactly to check there?
[21:25] <nokia3510> errors in boot.log dpkg and syslog
[21:25] <Mian> jmichaelx, recovery boot doesn't complete also
[21:25] <nokia3510> also in messages
[21:25] <nokia3510> Mian, anything changed hardware wise ?
[21:25] <Mian> filesystem get mounted
[21:26] <nokia3510> like adding/removing a HDD ?
[21:26] <joaopinto> Mian, how do you know that ?
[21:26] <jmichaelx> Mian: i had issues after upgrading today on a dell mini 9, and had to select safe graphics mode, and then select reconfigure graphics
[21:26] <Mian> this is last thing I see in verbose when I boot into recovery
[21:26] <nokia3510> Mian, what monitor do you have ?
[21:26] <Mian> nokia3510, nothing chabged in hardware
[21:27] <LinuxGuy2009> Why would a monitor cause boot issues?
[21:27] <Mian> nokia3510, it is a laptop dell inspiron 6400 and graphics card is intel
[21:27] <jmichaelx> Mian: is it possible that your machine is booting, but you have no GUI?
[21:27] <nokia3510> LinuxGuy2009, I didn't say that
[21:27] <LinuxGuy2009> blind leading the blind.
[21:27] <joaopinto> this guy is annoying
[21:27] <coc0nut> Troll much?
[21:27] <Mian> jmichaelx, livecd boots fine
[21:28] <jmichaelx> Mian: liveCD booting fine makes no difference
[21:28] <nokia3510> Mian, try booting in recovery using splash=verbose vga=0x31a
[21:28] <Mian> nokia3510, how to add these options?
[21:28] <jmichaelx> Mian: please try booting up, and seeing whether or not you can ctrl-alt-f3 to get a terminal prompt
[21:29] <jmichaelx> ok, sorry... follow nokia3510 first
[21:29] <nokia3510> Mian, by editing the grub kernel line
[21:30]  * nokia3510 wonders which is the pasting utility in Ubuntu. In Fedora we use fpaste
[21:30] <joaopinto> if he is not able to boot in recovery, is not X related (I guess)
[21:31] <Mian> nokia3510, it now ends with "ro quiet splash", how should I change it?
[21:31] <nokia3510> joaopinto, I think so too
[21:31] <nokia3510> Mian, delete quiet and edit it to splash=verbose
[21:31] <jmichaelx> joaopinto: i had a similar issue this afternoon, and am also seeing reports in the forums. it may just be with intel GPUs
[21:32] <jmichaelx> joaopinto: i could not get GUI with safe graphics mode, either
[21:32] <joaopinto> jmichaelx, I am refering to "rescue" mode which is a text mode
[21:32] <jmichaelx> joaopinto: ok
[21:33] <Mian> nokia3510, same happenned like booting into recovery mode. it stops silently after mounting hard drives
[21:33] <joaopinto> Mian, and you don't get an interactive prompt, right ?
[21:33] <jmichaelx> has he tried booting into 2.6.32-19. i see where one person was able to boot into that kernel, but not into later ones
[21:34] <nokia3510> Mian, when nothing we try here works, get back to live cd and do the propper chroot as instructed earlier, then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoremove on regular basis, to catch the latest updates
[21:34] <Mian> joaopinto, yes
[21:34] <joaopinto> nokia3510, he already did that :)
[21:34] <nokia3510> Mian, ^^^ is just in case the guys are right and you're hitting on a bug
[21:34] <ghufran> using live cd.
[21:35] <Mian> nokia3510, I just did this few minutes ago
[21:35] <nokia3510> joaopinto, he did it a while ago, but depending on how mirrors sync, he might need it again
[21:35] <ghufran> firefox crashed. which made everything sieze.
[21:35] <nokia3510> Mian, fine, I was afk in the meantime
[21:35] <nokia3510> ghufran, using Firefox 3.6.4 ? check it in the updates
[21:36] <Mian> nokia3510, assuming it is a bug, we still should see error message or find something in logs. am I right?
[21:36] <nokia3510> Mian, check for errors or anything you find interesting in the log files I mentioned, then post it to pastebin.com
[21:36] <ghufran> nokia3510, 3.6.3. i didnt update. using livecd. making backups and reading mail
[21:36]  * cwillu pounces on BUGabundo 
[21:37] <nokia3510> ghufran, then update first :)
[21:37] <fosco_> nas
[21:37] <ghufran> k
[21:37] <cwillu> BUGabundo, ever hear of xchat causing excessive cpu usage under compiz?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> WHO DARES TO CALL MY NAME !!!!!
[21:38] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:39]  * BUGabundo pokes cwillu with a 1UA poking stick
[21:39] <cwillu> <3
[21:39] <BUGabundo> cwillu that would imply I even run xchat
[21:39] <BUGabundo> which I don't or ever did :)
[21:39] <nokia3510> Mian, my update on Dell Inspiron 6400 went smoothly, the only diff is that I'm on radeon R500 x1400 (which is a real shame...)
[21:40] <Mian> nokia3510, may be it is related to some packages or configurations I have not the hardware
[21:41] <joaopinto> Mian, I am uptading my VM to see if I can help your somehow
[21:41] <joaopinto> your hang is most likely plymouth related
[21:41] <nokia3510> Mian, that's why you need to boot more verbosely
[21:42] <Mian> nokia3510, what should I do to boot more verbosely?
[21:42] <nokia3510> Mian, see above my post
[21:42] <Mian> nokia3510, you mean adding splash=verbose?
[21:43] <joaopinto> Mian, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken
[21:43] <nokia3510> yes, and removing quiet
[21:43] <Mian> nokia3510, I did and still no error messages
[21:43] <Volkodav> or better check the logs
[21:43] <Mian> just stops after mounting hard drives
[21:44] <nokia3510> Mian, before checking joaopinto link, read the logs and post to pastebin.com
[21:45] <nokia3510> if anything relevant
[21:46] <BUGabundo> so, now with a bit more sense
[21:46] <BUGabundo> where the heck in the theme did hyperlinks collors changed???
[21:46] <BUGabundo> I really DON'T like orange!
[21:46] <BUGabundo> its the second time it gets setted :(
[21:47] <Mian> nokia3510, my boot.log is here http://pastebin.com/XkGF6QC5
[21:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, colours
[21:48] <bjsnider> not collors
[21:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: what ever
[21:48] <BUGabundo> but thanks
[21:48] <BUGabundo> do you know where it is ??
[21:48] <BUGabundo> it really pisses me off, when I lose control of my desktop design
[21:48] <joaopinto> Mian, didn't you remove apparmor ?
[21:48] <bjsnider> hyperlink colours in which app?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> *every*
[21:49] <BUGabundo> pidgin. firefox, etc
[21:49] <nokia3510> Mian, I saw that error too on a dist-upgraded bow, yet it doesn't render the system unbootable, so I figure it might not be the culprit
[21:49] <BUGabundo> its a GTK setting somewhere
[21:49] <Mian> joaopinto, I installed it again when you told me it is unrelated
[21:49] <joaopinto> those erros on boot.log are not fatal
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hello akgraner
[21:50] <joaopinto> Mian, your system is hanging because of: upstart or plymouth or whatever is invoked after apparmor
[21:50] <nokia3510> Mian, it's not apparmor either, so let's see other logs, and dmseg included please
[21:52] <mitya> hi gents
[21:52] <mitya> I have just installed 10.4
[21:52] <mitya> my mc does not show the directories in bold... Is it a bug ir a feature ??
[21:53] <akgraner> BUGabundo, hey!
[21:53] <BUGabundo> hi girl
[21:53] <BUGabundo> having fun latelly ?
[21:53] <bjsnider> i don't see any evidence that hyperlinks are orange
[21:54] <BUGabundo> mitya: probably user setting, somewhere
[21:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: its very easy for me to take a screenshot
[21:54] <BUGabundo> wb akgraner
[21:55] <joaopinto> mitya, what is "mc" ?
[21:55] <akgraner> thanks
[21:55] <Mian> nokia3510, dpkg.log is here http://pastebin.com/aGAbyN5T
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-Minefield.png
[21:56] <bjsnider> in the gnome help menu the links are blue
[21:56] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: duh, midnigt comander ?!?!?
[21:56] <akgraner> BUGabundo, yeppers always doing something  - was at Texas Linux Fest Last Weekend
[21:56] <Mian> nokia3510, my syslog is here http://pastebin.com/jJCPfPQK
[21:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: firefox 3.6, 3.7, pidgin all 3 show orange hyperlinks
[21:57] <Mian> sorry, my syslog is here http://pastebin.com/jJCPfPQk
[21:57] <guntbert> mitya: I never noticed they were bolded before - but I see the same on a server installation
[21:58] <mitya> joaopinto: midnight commander
[21:58] <guntbert> joaopinto: mc is "midnight commander" - a "must have" file manager for the CLI
[21:58] <mitya> guntbert: well, maybe it was not bold, but at least white not grey
[21:58] <bjsnider> no big deal
[21:59] <Mian> nokia3510, my dmseg is here http://pastebin.com/mcrf88kd
[21:59] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it is for me in pidgin :((
[21:59] <guntbert> mitya: I just compared - on karmic it is bold - on lucid not -- just to confirm your observation
[21:59] <joaopinto> mitya, wether it's a bug or a feature it's a bit late to get it fixed :P
[22:00] <mitya> guntbert: can you please run a diff on the ini files ? how can I set up the dir as whtie ?
[22:01] <mitya> joaopinto: why ? it is just beta2 isn't it ? :)
[22:01] <mitya> currently this is my biggest problem with this version, so not too bad :)
[22:02] <BUGabundo> mitya: no! we are now past Final Freeze
[22:02] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, why?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> NOTHING will be changed from now on, unless it's a critical bug
[22:03] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: years of getting used to blue??
[22:03] <mitya> BUGabundo: it is !! :)
[22:04] <guntbert> mitya: you could try and delete the [colors] section - that one isn't in my karmic ini file
[22:04] <BUGabundo> mitya: a bold effect is not critical
[22:05] <mitya> BUGabundo: sure, this is not a problem
[22:05] <mitya> guntbert: can you please post your ini file from karmic ? I have lost mine
[22:06] <Mian> nokia3510, found anything?
[22:08] <guntbert> mitya: http://paste.ubuntu.com/415791/
[22:08] <BlaDe^> Hi, since upgrading to 10.04 my wireless is extremely intermittent
[22:08] <BlaDe^> Quite frequently the symbol goes to a "loading" symbol, and every now and then prompts for the password (even though it is remembered), and then will continue with the loading sign
[22:09] <BlaDe^> i've tried /etc/init.d/networking restart that doesn't make a difference, even a system restart doesn't help. the only way to solve it is to power down the system then power it back up
[22:09] <BlaDe^> I have a windows partition and this doesn't occur on there, nor did it on 9.10 so it is definitely not a hardware issue
[22:09] <bjsnider> BlaDe^, which wifi chip would that be?
[22:09] <BlaDe^> uhh atheros something or other, one sec
[22:10] <mitya> guntbert: thanks
[22:10] <guntbert> mitya: you're welcome :-)
[22:11] <BlaDe^> bjsnider:               product: AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter
[22:11] <BlaDe^>              vendor: Atheros Communications Inc.
[22:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you're right. links in pidgin are orange instead of blue. this is the greatest problem america has ever faced. i am not up to it. i will now eat the barrel of a shotgun
[22:12]  * BUGabundo sarcarms detector explodes
[22:12] <bjsnider> BlaDe^, try installing the linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic package
[22:13] <bjsnider> what a name for a package. 5 hyphens
[22:13] <BlaDe^> heh indeed
[22:13] <BlaDe^> it's downloading now
[22:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no idea why you are being so sarcastic... even more then usual... go figure
[22:13] <BlaDe^> why do you think the problem is occuring?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> at least two apps, changed behaviour just about when FF started
[22:13] <bjsnider> the driver included in the kernel you're using may not work terribly well
[22:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, blue links are boring anyway
[22:16] <BlaDe^> ah right ok
[22:16] <BlaDe^> will I need to restart for these changes to take effect?
[22:16] <BlaDe^> Incase it does happen again, is there a way to restart my network adapter (Instead of having to shutdown everytime )
[22:16] <bjsnider> yes you will
[22:17] <bjsnider> ifup/ifdown
[22:17] <Mian> nokia3510, joaopinto, found anything on my logs?
[22:17] <BlaDe^> is that the equivalent of a shutdown or a restart? because a restart didn't do it before
[22:17] <bjsnider> also, the module you're using is called ath5k.  you could modprobe/rmmod it
[22:18] <BlaDe^> the weird thing is.. if I restarted into the windows partition that didn't work either (iirc)
[22:18] <BlaDe^> yet it ran for hours in the windows partition flawlessly
[22:18] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what 'windows' is
[22:19] <Mannequin> Hi. I've been playing with Ubuntu 10.04 Beta since 4 days ago. I've just run an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' and Firefox branding has been unexpectedly changed to Namoroka branding
[22:20] <Mannequin> should I have expect that after just a safe-upgrade?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Mannequin: are you running a mozilla PPA ?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Mannequin: $ apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit
[22:21] <Mannequin> BUGabundo: no, I'm not
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Mannequin: $ apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit
[22:23] <Mannequin> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/47M91Hex
[22:24] <BUGabundo> Mannequin:         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[22:24] <BUGabundo> I would say you are indeed running a ppa !
[22:24] <BUGabundo> :P
[22:25] <Mannequin> BUGabundo: sorry then from my wrong answer, I didn't know
[22:25] <BUGabundo> no prob
[22:25] <BUGabundo> that's why I asked for the facts :)
[22:25] <Mannequin> I though that PPA were always manually added/configured
[22:25] <BUGabundo> they are
[22:25] <bjsnider> i suppose it magically added itself
[22:25] <Mannequin> ah, yes, now that I recall, I've added it for installing Thunderbird
[22:26] <Mannequin> sorry, I totally forgot that
[22:26] <Mannequin> back to the original issue: after a 'safe-upgrade', the Firefox branding has changed to Namoroka  (and the blue logo)
[22:27] <Mannequin> Is that expected? any trick to re-configure it so to use Firefox branding?
[22:28] <Mannequin> I can live with the Namoroka branding... but this is not my computer, so I would prefer to use the FF branding, to avoid confusing other users
[22:28] <BUGabundo> Mannequin: the ppa doesn't have branding
[22:29] <BUGabundo> Mannequin: you either downgrade the firefox version to archive and turn off the ppa (meaning no TB updates)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> or you leave the PPA on, pin FF down, and it will not get updates
[22:30] <BUGabundo> choose one
[22:31] <Mannequin> BUGabundo: ok, thanks for the clarification
[22:31] <DanaG> Mannequin: also look into apt-pinning.
[22:32] <DanaG> That'll make it so firefox can get updates from main archive, and thunderbird still get PPA.
[22:32] <Mannequin> aah, so probable the FF branded version installed before the 'safe-upgrade', it probable was the one that came bundled with Lucid Lynx, correct?
[22:33] <Mannequin> and after running the 'safe-upgrade', the FF branded version was just removed and replaced by the PPA version (aka Namoroka), correct?
[22:34] <Mannequin> I wouldn't have expected that PPA removes other software, but of course, I just know a little about how this exactly works
[22:35] <BUGabundo> Mannequin: it didn't remove anything
[22:35] <BUGabundo> it upgraded it
[22:40] <Mannequin> BUGabundo: ok. Good to know.
[22:40] <Mannequin> But, then, why Thunderbird keeps its branding, even if coming from PPA?
[22:40] <Mian> nokia3510, any progress?
[22:41] <Mannequin> or the Mozilla branding issue does not apply to Thunderbird?
[22:41] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:42] <BUGabundo> ask micha in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[22:42] <Mannequin> (I'm supposing all this PPA installing an unbranded FF version -aka Namoroka- may be related to Mozilla protecting its brand)
[22:42] <Mannequin> BUGabundo: thanks, I will
[22:44] <mitya> guys, 10.4 is missing sun-java packages.. why ?? I have multiverse enabled
[22:46] <Doc_exe> they removed it in favor of the opensource java
[22:46] <mitya> hmm, so should I download it from su then ?
[22:46] <mitya> *sun
[22:47] <chorse> mitya: it's very likely that openjava works fine for you
[22:47] <chorse> openjdk*
[22:48] <nokia3510> Mian, just a sec, I've been afk
[22:49] <mitya> chorse: well, not really, we are developing a few java app and sun java is the target vm
[22:50] <BlaDe^> Hi, still around BUGabundo  ?
[22:50] <BlaDe^> bjsnider*
[22:50] <KnifeySpooney> does anyone else get a "Checking hard disks for errors" every time you boot up karmic? It doesn't actually show any progress bar or anything, just "checking"
[22:50] <BlaDe^> I get that KnifeySpooney  but I cancel it
[22:51] <robin0800> KnifeySpooney: yes
[22:51] <KnifeySpooney> Oh. Any way to disable it from GRUB just once so I can test my boot speed?
[22:51] <KnifeySpooney> woops, i meant Lucid in the original question
[22:52] <nokia3510> Mian, a quick thought: Do you have the latest BIOS ?
[22:52] <robin0800> KnifeySpooney: checking logs it says its clean and therefore dosen't scan
[22:52] <ripps> geez I'm gone from my computers for a couple of days, and now there's 250 packages to upgrade.
[22:52] <chorse> mitya: you can get it from the lucid partner rep then
[22:53] <KnifeySpooney> robin0800: so it doesn't affect boot speed at all?
[22:53] <ThaDocTrey> I could use some help getting some graphic drivers.  I just installed a Leadtek winfast A250, and need to get drivers for it.  In my Hardware drivers thing it says Nvidia version 96 recommended is installed but not currently running, and It doesnt give me the option it enable it
[22:53] <BlaDe^> bjsnider: It just happened again I tried rmmod and modprobe and it error'd (forget what the error was it was something about symbols iirc, it said to dmesg though). i did a dmesg and there's a lot of output from the wireless adapter which my aid in a diagnosis?
[22:53] <mitya> chorse: thanks
[22:53] <BlaDe^> I pasted it here: http://pastebin.com/Xp7d5tjG
[22:53] <robin0800> KnifeySpooney: check your logs
[22:55] <BUGabundo> BlaDe^: pong
[22:55] <BlaDe^> sorry sid
[22:55] <BlaDe^> sir*
[22:57] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[22:57] <Mian> nokia3510, I think I have the latest bios
[22:58] <Mian> nokia3510, how can I check?
[22:58] <mrwes> xsane support was dropped in Lucid?
[22:58] <mauri> mrwes: xane does not support this model
[22:58] <Mian> nokia3510, do you find something make sense in my logs?
[22:59] <exco> hello
[22:59] <nokia3510> Mian, sudo dmidecode --type 0
[22:59] <exco> I need to report a bug but don't know the appropriate package
[22:59] <nokia3510> Mian, stil checking....
[22:59] <Mian> nokia3510, thanks a lot
[23:00] <nokia3510> Mian, compare the output with Dell's support page for your laptop and see which is the latest there
[23:00] <exco> the Samsung R60 I just installed Lucid on just boots to a blackscreen ("works" when adding nomodeset to the kernel parameters) ... what packagt do I file a bug against?
[23:01] <Mian> nokia3510, but can not having latest bios prevent booting?
[23:01] <levander> Why did they change the default search engine to Yahoo?  Nobody uses Yahoo.
[23:01] <akgraner> levander, they changed it back
[23:01] <almoxarife> the topic is now incorrect, thunderbird updates fine
[23:02] <levander> akgraner: Any idea why they changed it in the 1st place?
[23:03] <nokia3510> Mian, yes, on linux you need to have the latest BIOS. Proper kernel operation expects features that might be buggy/fixed in newer versions of BIOS that you don't have
[23:03] <akgraner> levander, let me get you the link to the original mailing list announcement
[23:03] <levander> akgraner: great
[23:03] <akgraner> levander, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-January/002396.html
[23:04] <akgraner> levander, and here is the message reverting back - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-April/002554.html
[23:06] <levander> So weird.
[23:06] <levander> Just seems weird.
[23:07] <levander> I guess when they figured they could make some money, they switched.  But, then everyone complained so much?
[23:07] <levander> And, he says the switch to Yahoo was for money for Canonical.  Why wouldn't the money go to the Ubuntu project?
[23:07] <nokia3510> Mian, apt-get install intel-{microcode,gpu-tools}
[23:08] <levander> I guess that's the weirdest thing to me, that the money would have gone to Canonical.
[23:08] <Mian> nokia3510, may you explain to me please what you see and so you suggest this?
[23:08] <levander> How stable is Lucid?  Is it basically already ready for prime time?
[23:08] <mrwes> runs fine on my machine
[23:08] <levander> I don't like spending a lot of time fixing nonsense.  Have real work to do.
[23:08] <mrwes> it's a beta of course
[23:09] <levander> Yeah, but often on Ubuntu, it's basically already ready to ship, even though they're still calling it beta.
[23:09] <nokia3510> Mian, making sure you have all the needed Intel utilities
[23:09] <nokia3510> Mian, that needs to be don on chroot
[23:09] <mrwes> I don't think we're at the final kernel though
[23:10] <levander> Ah, if not at final kernel, it's not quite there yet.
[23:10] <levander> mrwes: Thanks.
[23:10] <nokia3510> Mian, any news on BIOS comparison ?
[23:10] <Mian> nokia3510, but do you think it is a graphics problem? recovery also doesn't boot which is text-based?
[23:10] <Mian> nokia3510, I still search dell site to find my latest version
[23:11] <nokia3510> Mian, I dunno what to think at this point. dpkg log is clean, dmesg is not, but not critical (wifi issue only). BIOS versionis my best bet now. What's your version ?
[23:12] <yk1000> how do i get flash to play sound in FF?
[23:12] <yk1000> using FF3.6.3, lucid beta
[23:12] <yk1000> adobe-flashplugin doesn't seem to work
[23:12] <Mian> nokia3510, it is 0.9 released 09/29/2006
[23:13] <yk1000> flashplugin-nonfree works the first time i install, but stops working when i reboot
[23:13] <duffydack> yk1000,  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/64bit-flash-ppa.html    try that
[23:13] <yk1000> running 32bit
[23:13] <duffydack> yk1000, sorry, are you 64bit?
[23:14] <duffydack> ah.
[23:14] <yk1000> was working fine before upgrading to lucid
[23:14] <nokia3510> Mian, that seems way of base. Pastebin it please, whole output of dmidecode
[23:14] <duffydack> yk1000, enable partner repo and install flashplugin-installer
[23:15] <duffydack> yk1000, ah upgrade... there is your answer I guess..  I hate upgrades.
[23:15] <mayfairman> Hi all, would someone be able to give me a hand enabling uPnP media shares on lucid, I have tried gmediaserver, but no joy as of yet. Thanks
[23:15] <yk1000> duffydack: yes... but it works temporarily when i install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:16] <yk1000> until i reboot and open up FF again
[23:16] <duffydack> yk1000,  which means it doesnt work.
[23:16] <yk1000> haha i suppose
[23:16] <Mian> nokia3510, it is here http://pastebin.com/Rv59dcrP
[23:17] <nokia3510> Mian, is this you Dell ? http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R158849&SystemID=INSPIRONI6400/E1505&servicetag=&os=WW1&osl=en&deviceid=10430&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=9&catid=1&impid=-1&formatcnt=1&libid=1&fileid=212350
[23:17] <ThaDocTrey> I have a graphics driver issue that I need help with.  I just installed a Leadtek Winfast A250 graphics card and need drivers for it, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[23:17] <nokia3510> ThaDocTrey, apt-get install nvidia-current dkms
[23:18] <Mian> nokia3510, I don't think so, mi dmidecode says version A09 and this says A17
[23:18] <nokia3510> Mian, your BIOS is A9, and need to get an update. If that's your laptop then this is your needed BIOS
[23:19] <mayfairman> can anyone point me in the right direction for uPnP share enabling?
[23:20] <nokia3510> Mian, there were plenty of bug fixes between A9 and A17
[23:20] <Mian> nokia3510, I am not sure if this is my one. can you advise me pleae how to make sure?
[23:21] <nokia3510> Mian, what laptop do you have ?
[23:21] <nokia3510> Dell Inspiron 6400 ?
[23:21] <nokia3510> 6400=E1505 FWIW
[23:22] <Mian> nokia3510, it is called dell inspiron 6400 but afaik, many different models are called dell inspiron 6400
[23:22] <nokia3510> Mian, true, yet the BIOS is the same
[23:23] <Mian> nokia3510, so, you recommend installing this bios? I am afraid it may break system completely if this was wrong
[23:23] <nokia3510> Mian, you can check your laptop version in many ways on dell'
[23:23] <nokia3510> s site, to make sure you're getting the right bios
[23:24] <nokia3510> Mian, I think this is your only issue now regarding Lucid, since the dpkg.log clearly shows a clean update
[23:24] <ThaDocTrey> Nokia so will that give me the necessary drivers and make things work properly?  and not have to be in low graphics mode?
[23:25] <nokia3510> ThaDocTrey, that and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -fuV
[23:25] <Mian> nokia3510, but if something is failing due to a bios problem, wouldn't this be logged?
[23:25] <nokia3510> Mian, not necessarily
[23:26] <ThaDocTrey> okay, well I am doing an update at the current moment through the update manager, and then I will do those two steps, but that will fix my low graphics problems???
[23:26] <mayfairman> maybe if i give bit of background, I have a nokia n900 running deb flavoured maemo, it picks up my upnp media shared folders fine out of the box, but with those same folders sim linked into my ubuntu media folders it will not pick up unless I enable uPnP on ubuntu somehow, I dont really want to hack hack the phone to pick up sambe or nfs as its my phone and I want it stable so would rather set-up uPnP on the desktop
[23:26] <mayfairman> that should read pick up my win 7 upnp shares
[23:26] <Mian> nokia3510, so I'll need to boot into windows to install this? I have no windows on my laptop
[23:27] <DanaG> Mian: I think there are tools to do Dell BIOS updates from Linux.
[23:27] <DanaG> Or at least to create a FreeDOS bootable cd-image.
[23:27] <nokia3510> Mian, I'd advise that given your current situation.
[23:27] <nokia3510> DanaG, is right, but not applicabe now for you
[23:28] <Mian> nokia3510, I have a windows on a usb stick and I boot it frequently, I'll try it
[23:28] <nokia3510> Mian, disable AV and any other resident programs prior to flashing
[23:29] <Mian> nokia3510, I'll do thanks
[23:29] <nokia3510> Mian, elt me know how it goes
[23:29] <nokia3510> s/elt/let
[23:30] <duffydack> bing and decide
[23:31] <duffydack> typical ms, something that decides for you..saves you from that terrible task of thinking.
[23:32] <yoasif> anyone know of a less cpu hungry feed reader than liferea?
[23:32] <mayfairman> would Mediatomb be any good, gmediaserver threw up a bunch of errors on parsing
[23:33] <Mian> nokia3510, ok thanks
[23:35] <mayfairman> Have I asked a daft question or is there no experience in this area here, if so will go and hunt for a forum to post to
[23:35] <LinuxGuy2009> I'm kinda disappointed with the wallpaper contest results. Nothing but flowers for the most part.
[23:36] <valorie> what did you want, LinuxGuy2009?
[23:37] <LinuxGuy2009> valorie: Something a little manlier maybe?
[23:37] <valorie> lol, like -- exploding volcanos?
[23:37] <JanC> flowers aren't manly?
[23:37] <valorie> falling trees
[23:37] <valorie> fishing
[23:37] <valorie> swordfighting
[23:38] <valorie> COMBAT
[23:38] <valorie> hahahahaha
[23:38] <valorie> I fail to find gender/sex/sexuality in flowers
[23:39] <mayfairman> are my messages visible?
[23:39] <JanC> valorie: some plants have flowers that are either male or female...  ;)
[23:39] <valorie> very try
[23:39] <valorie> mayfairman: I see you
[23:39] <JanC> mayfairman: yes
[23:39] <mayfairman> did you see my messages about uPnP?
[23:40] <valorie> but it might have been fun to have some pictures of mountains, stars, etc
[23:40] <JanC> mayfairman: I guess we just don't use UPnP...
[23:40] <valorie> under sea....
[23:40] <mayfairman> OK, thats cool, ill scoot around a bit more and see what else I can find :)
[23:40] <mayfairman> cheers JanC
[23:41] <JanC> you can hang around, maybe later someone sees your question in their backlog...
[23:41] <mayfairman> ill leave it open ;)
[23:42] <valorie> LinuxGuy2009: not to slight your comment, but did you enter the competition?
[23:42] <JanC> I should ask my brother to make some photographs, I'm sure that would yield some macro-photo of an insect or mushroom or something  ;)
[23:43] <valorie> as a woman, I'm a bit taken aback to hear the comment that the wallpapers aren't manly enough
[23:43] <Mian> nokia3510, bios update went smoothly. I'll try to reboot ubuntu now
[23:43] <nokia3510> OK
[23:44] <JanC> valorie: I don't even remember where to look for the backgrounds  ;)
[23:44] <valorie> I changed mine to my own folder of photos
[23:44] <nokia3510> valorie: LinuxGuy2009 seems to forget men are just a minority... :D
[23:44] <valorie> mostly from astropix
[23:45] <valorie> from kubuntu, you just right-click on the desktop
[23:46] <Mian> nokia3510, still can not boot
[23:46] <Mian> :(
[23:47] <valorie> and use that menu to set it
[23:47] <valorie> bbl
[23:47] <nokia3510> erm, good and bad news Mian
[23:47] <nokia3510> you didn't tell me if you booted splash=verbose
[23:47] <Mian> nokia3510, I tried to boot recovery whcih is verbose by default
[23:48] <Mian> nokia3510, messages are same as previous
[23:48] <nokia3510> Mian: and you kernel is ?
[23:49] <Mian> nokia3510, I have 3 kernels now and all don't boot
[23:49] <nokia3510> Mian: you :should have your latest Karmic kernel which should be bootable
[23:49] <nokia3510> shit
[23:50] <Mian> nokia3510, I have 2.6.32-21, 2.6.31-20 and 2.6.28-16
[23:50] <nokia3510> Mian: so now you have all the lucid updates + intel packages I suggested ?
[23:51] <Mian> nokia3510, not yet intel packages. I'll get them now
[23:52] <nokia3510> Mian: in live cd chroot as instructed, then pastebin /etc/fstab and sudo parted -l
[23:53] <nokia3510> Mian: ^^ add /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:53] <atrus> any idea why epiphany-extensions got a new version for i386, but not for x86_64?
[23:53] <Mian> nokia3510, ok
[23:54] <LinuxGuy2009> The whole purple theme and the pretty flowers are like........uuhh.
[23:55] <maco> but flowers have nice bright colours
[23:57] <DanaG> Purple is nice... but this particular background looks like "pukey" purple.  Not that puke is ever purple unless you're drinking some really weird stuff...