[00:00] <swoody> well the comand before, was to remove those packages...
[00:01] <g33kergRL> ?? oh yah
[00:01] <swoody> you could try: dpkg --get-selections | grep packagename
[00:01] <swoody> so for wine it would be: dpkg --get-selections | grep wine
[00:02] <swoody> if it doesn't print anything, the package isn't installed
[00:02] <g33kergRL> so, it isnt
[00:05] <g33kergRL> swoody: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415230/ do u see anything odd?
[00:06] <swoody> g33kergRL: nope, looks good :)
[00:06] <swoody> like it says, you can run: 'sudo apt-get autoremove' to remove the old kernel packages you won't need
[00:07] <g33kergRL> how do i know what i don't need?
[00:07] <swoody> and if you're going to be running Windows apps, I would recommend intalling the msttcorefonts
[00:07] <swoody> g33kergRL: well, that command mostly :)
[00:08] <swoody> there are also various sections in Synaptic that can tell you...
[00:08] <swoody> on the left side, go to 'Status' at the bottom, and on the upper left, there will be a section named 'Installed (local or obsolete)' which will show obsolete packages...
[00:09] <g33kergRL> swoody: so i do:               sudo apt-get autoremove  ??? and I don't actually need to know which is not-needed?
[00:09] <swoody> but you have to be careful, because it may also show packages which you installed yourself, and you don't want to remove
[00:09] <swoody> g33kergRL: yes, that will remove packages which Ubuntu considers no longer needed
[00:10] <g33kergRL> ok, i've been using this for 2 hours now, so not much whihc i installed
[00:10] <swoody> :)
[00:13] <g33kergRL> here, a vid i made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hecX4yfmGFo
[00:15] <swoody> lol, very nice :)
[00:15] <g33kergRL> the music is scottish with latin lyrics
[00:16] <g33kergRL> ha ha did you see that thing about  the Icelandic ash-cloud?
[00:16] <g33kergRL> okay, WINE
[00:17] <swoody> wine :)
[00:17] <swoody> g33kergRL: one thing to keep in mind, you're going to need to configure Wine before you try to run apps
[00:18] <g33kergRL> orly?
[00:18] <g33kergRL> how do i do that, or do u have a link
[00:18] <swoody> yep, You can find that in the menu: Applications>Wine>Configure(?)
[00:18] <swoody> you'll need to auto-detect your drives, set which Windows version you want to emulate, etc.
[00:21] <g33kergRL> swoody: wow seems complicated
[00:21] <swoody> it's also explained on that Wine wiki page
[00:21] <swoody> g33kergRL: well you don't need to change a whole lot, most of the default settings should work fine for you
[00:24] <g33kergRL> swoody: hmmm, it doesn't see all my drives or all the folders on my c-drive. it seems as if it runs a tiny version of windows somewhere, instead of the actual thing
[00:25] <swoody> g33kergRL: yeah, it sets up a 'virtual Windows' drive in your home directory
[00:25] <g33kergRL> i see
[00:25] <swoody> so /home/yourname/.wine/
[00:25] <g33kergRL> do you think i could run uTorrent from there?
[00:26] <g33kergRL> i really loved that program
[00:26] <swoody> probably, but why don't you give one of the Linux versions a try?
[00:26] <g33kergRL> its so tiny!!
[00:26] <swoody> I use transmission, and love it :)
[00:26] <swoody> there's also vuze
[00:26] <g33kergRL> yech vuze
[00:26] <g33kergRL> i couldn't find the ETA column in transmission
[00:26] <swoody> sorry, I meant deluge :)
[00:27] <g33kergRL> which skked
[00:27] <tenach> g33kergRL, ETA shows up under the name
[00:27] <tenach> of the torrent after it's started and has connected to peers
[00:27] <g33kergRL> which one looks the most like utorrent?
[00:27] <swoody> on mine, it shows ETA right above the progress bar of the torrent
[00:27] <tenach> swoody, mine shows both
[00:27] <g33kergRL> i had to right click it, and of course i couldn't sort on ETA
[00:27] <g33kergRL> or on anything
[00:28] <swoody> tenach: no, that's what I meant, it shows both, but it's just above the bar :)
[00:28] <tenach> Ahh
[00:28] <swoody> g33kergRL: well I also used deluge, which has a few more options, but is still user-friendly
[00:28] <g33kergRL> which linux app looks the most like utorrent?
[00:29] <swoody> hmm... not too sure :/ It's been a long time since I played with utorrent...
[00:29] <swoody> g33kergRL: some options and pics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent
[00:29] <swoody> err.. rather a pic of transmission only :/
[00:29] <g33kergRL> wow, europe has no flights at all, great opportunity to prove global warming
[00:30] <swoody> but you can follow the links there for more info on the different apps
[00:30] <g33kergRL> yes it works under wine!!!
[00:30] <g33kergRL> or so it says
[00:31] <swoody> :)
[01:13] <g33kergRL> swoo
[01:13] <g33kergRL> swoody: hey
[01:13] <swoody> heya g33kergRL :)
[01:13] <g33kergRL> ooh that was useless waste of tieme
[01:14] <g33kergRL> it's like eating big macs
[01:14] <swoody> what was?
[01:14] <g33kergRL> the pol channel
[01:14] <swoody> haha
[01:14] <g33kergRL> you know it's bad for you, but you go anyways
[01:14] <g33kergRL> bleeh
[01:14] <swoody> masochistic nature? ;)
[01:15] <g33kergRL> no, more procrastinating?
[01:15] <g33kergRL> i gotta study, and idontwanna
[01:20] <swoody> c'est la'vie :/
[01:23] <g33kergRL> swoody: what do you do actually?
[01:23] <g33kergRL> on your 'farm'?
[01:24] <swoody> go to school full-time, trying to find a job, otherwise I'm either outside or online :)
[01:29] <g33kergRL> swoody: well, we have something incommon
[01:31] <g33kergRL> i wanna use apt-get autoremove but i am not root, how do i set my self as root
[01:32] <g33kergRL> .... swoody
[01:32] <swoody> g33kergRL: use sudo
[01:32] <swoody> sudo apt-get...
[01:34] <swoody> it gives you temporary root privelages, rather than running as root :)
[01:36] <g33kergRL> ok, i think i did it
[01:36] <g33kergRL> muzha: hey
[01:36] <g33kergRL> you commie baztard ;)
[01:36] <muzha> Challah g33kergRL
[01:36] <g33kergRL> muzha: meaning?
[01:36] <muzha> g33kergRL, Hello
[01:37] <g33kergRL> what language?
[01:37] <swoody> hola muzha :)
[01:37] <muzha> g33kergRL, it's not -- it's a type of bread
[01:37] <muzha> g33kergRL, but you say it kinda like Holla!
[01:37] <muzha> hey swoody
[01:38] <g33kergRL> challah, or inshallah
[01:38] <Raidsong> muzha you seem familiar
[01:38] <g33kergRL> Raidsong: whoa, did u sleep?
[01:38] <muzha> g33kergRL, Challah, it's a braided bread
[01:38] <Raidsong> g33kergRL, whats sleep?
[01:38] <muzha> g33kergRL, it's also Jewish, not Arabic
[01:39] <g33kergRL> both are semitic
[01:39] <muzha> g33kergRL, Insha'Allah is Arabic :)
[01:39] <Raidsong> it is?
[01:39] <g33kergRL> Raidsong: muzha and i a fellow communists
[01:39] <Raidsong> what kind of communism?
[01:39] <muzha> Marxism, yo
[01:40] <g33kergRL> Raidsong: u know a lot about raid disks etc
[01:40] <g33kergRL> ?
[01:40] <Raidsong> not at all
[01:40] <muzha> BRB
[01:40] <g33kergRL> me2
[02:42] <Kirsten> Good evening
[02:42] <Kirsten> hey guys, beginner ubuntu user here, suffering the infamous(?) updated and "gave up waiting for root device" problem, anyone know of a definitive, hand-holding workaround documentation for fixing this through busybox?
[02:43] <suddenzero> Hello, I am trying to install the web tools plugin in eclipse on ubuntu 9.10 and I am getting an error even using the eclipse update feature. I have an error log. Can someone help me please?
[02:43] <Vantrax> Which version of ubuntu and which kernel Kirsten
[02:43] <Vantrax> suddenzero what java do you have installed
[02:43] <suddenzero> Ubuntu 9.10 - the Karmic Koala
[02:43] <suddenzero> Eclipse SDK Version: 3.5.1
[02:43] <suddenzero> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_19-b04)
[02:43] <suddenzero> apache-tomcat-6.0.26
[02:44] <Kirsten> vantrax: pretty sure I'm running 9.10, not sure which kernel
[02:44] <Vantrax> suddenzero: did you run eclipse as administrator the first time?
[02:45] <Vantrax> Kirsten: id check http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8285183&postcount=12
[02:45] <suddenzero> It asked me to use my password when I ran the update tool does that count or do I need to go to the commandline and run eclipse as root from the terminal.
[02:46] <Vantrax> run eclipse with sudo the first time
[02:46] <Kirsten> thank-you
[02:46] <Vantrax> seems to bug out otherwise from memory
[02:46] <Vantrax> after that you should be ok
[02:46] <suddenzero> Ok I'll give it a shot thanks a lot!
[02:46] <Vantrax> if not let me know, ill check my notes
[02:46] <suddenzero> will do thanks again
[02:49] <haywire> Good evening.  I'm having trouble re-enabling autologin with xubuntu 9.10.  I believe this is a function of GDM...any takers?
[02:50] <voss749> Thats a beginner question? Wow
[02:51] <haywire> I swear I've only played with xubuntu for abt a week... linux in general for 1 1/2 weeks... I am just unlucky I guess..(that I have to dig this deep...)
[02:51] <swoody> haywire: hello :)
[02:52] <haywire> good evening
[02:52] <swoody> haywire: It's been a while since I've used xubuntu, is there a 'Users and Groups' option in your menu?
[02:52] <suddenzero> @Vantrax I am running eclipse as sudo and I still get the same error.
[02:53] <haywire> Yep
[02:53] <Vantrax> suddenzero: what is the error
[02:53] <suddenzero> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be found.
[02:53] <suddenzero>   Software being installed: Dali Java Persistence Tools 2.2.2.v200911250220-7L7OAPFBBoPS0TBgXV1je (org.eclipse.jpt.feature.feature.group 2.2.2.v200911250220-7L7OAPFBBoPS0TBgXV1je)
[02:53] <suddenzero>   Missing requirement: Dali Java Persistence Tools - DB UI 1.1.100.v200906070220 (org.eclipse.jpt.db.ui 1.1.100.v200906070220) requires 'bundle org.eclipse.datatools.connectivity.db.generic.ui [1.0.1,2.0.0)' but it could not be found
[02:53] <suddenzero>   Cannot satisfy dependency:
[02:53] <suddenzero>     From: Dali Java Persistence Tools 2.2.2.v200911250220-7L7OAPFBBoPS0TBgXV1je (org.eclipse.jpt.feature.feature.group 2.2.2.v200911250220-7L7OAPFBBoPS0TBgXV1je)
[02:53] <suddenzero>     To: org.eclipse.jpt.db.ui [1.1.100.v200906070220]
[02:54] <swoody> haywire: great. Open that up. Then select the user you want to login automatically. Then on the right side of that window click on 'Change' next to the password option
[02:54] <swoody> haywire: there should be an option "Don't ask for password on login"?
[02:54] <Vantrax> suddenzero: uninstall the package, looks like its somehow incomplete
[02:54] <swoody> suddenzero: please use pastebin.ubuntu.com to post long outputs :)
[02:55] <Vantrax> where did you get eclpse from?
[02:55] <suddenzero> @swoody sorry
[02:55] <suddenzero> I got it straight from the eclipse website.
[02:55] <swoody> suddenzero: np, just a good habit to keep in mind :)
[02:55] <Vantrax> which release?
[02:55] <suddenzero> Eclipse SDK Version: 3.5.1
[02:55] <haywire> swoody: Hmmm.. xubuntu is a little diff. perhaps, but I did login with admin pwd and got to the change password "button...."
[02:56] <swoody> haywire: hmm... yeah I'm not on xubuntu now, so it may be a bit different. Gimme one sec here...
[02:56] <haywire> Seems like it ignores the keypress just like it ignores the "unlock" button in "Login screen settings"
[02:57] <suddenzero> @vantrax should I use a different version?
[02:57] <haywire> There is a "Don't ask for password at login" dialogue below that button, but is dimmed...
[02:57] <Vantrax> suddenzero: it will be called something like Ganymede
[02:58] <suddenzero> I am using Galileo is that not right?
[02:58] <Vantrax> btw haywire Xubuntu doesnt use GDM, if your searching the web for solutions your looking for XCFE
[02:59] <swoody> haywire: well, I think that's what we're looking for here. I could be mistaken though :/
[02:59] <Vantrax> hold on, let me check its been a while
[02:59] <suddenzero> k
[02:59] <haywire> swoody:  I should've given you some background, too...
[03:00] <haywire> I have a dual boot setup that installed flawlessly at first using GRUB, Windoze xp home on master hdd, xubuntu on slave,
[03:00] <swoody> haywire: which version? Karmic 9.10?
[03:01] <haywire> at some point I foolishly ran recovery mode from the grub bootloader, now this problem started.... Yes 9.10
[03:01] <Vantrax> galileo should be right
[03:01] <Vantrax> you using the right version 32/64bit
[03:02] <suddenzero> Hmm, then I wonder why I am getting the error. 32 bit.
[03:03] <Vantrax> suddenzero: here is my confusion, the list of basic packages is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/415274/
[03:03] <suddenzero> This computer is a little old 2.4 ghtz P4 with 2 gig RAM but it gets the job done
[03:03] <Vantrax> your package that is having errors isnt in that.
[03:03] <Vantrax> ive found with eclipse you download the most simple, then have it update itself with the more advanced packages
[03:03] <Vantrax> I usually pull down http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-java-developers/galileor
[03:04] <haywire> If I run sudo gdmsetup and tick the "run in terminal" box, I get some serious errors... I wonder if I can just remove gdm completely (will lose my gui, I think) and reinstall from terminal somehow....
[03:04] <Kirsten> Follow up question: how do I determine my root drive partition (/dev/sdaxL)?
[03:04] <Kirsten> forget the L, bad typing
[03:05] <Vantrax> Kirsten you should be able to find out by going sudo fdisk -l (or without the sudo on a live cd)
[03:05] <suddenzero> Ok well then how do I uninstall the one I installed I'm kind of a newb
[03:05] <Vantrax> or looking in gparted if you prefer a graphical method
[03:05] <Kirsten> oh thanks
[03:05] <haywire> swoody: I hate to lose some other custom configuration I had to work hard on (over 5 hrs. to get the display at 1360x768 for my 16x9 LCD monitor..for one...)
[03:05] <Vantrax> suddenzero delete the folder its in, and remove the symlink from /bin
[03:06] <suddenzero> ok cool sounds good I will give it a shot and if that doesn't work I'll be back tomorrow. Thanks
[03:06] <Vantrax> haywire: your running xubuntu with GDM?
[03:07] <Vantrax> not xcfe (the default)
[03:07] <haywire> gosh, I thought so, but am unsure.... If i remove the gdm package, will I lose my desktop?
[03:08] <Vantrax> not if your running with xcfe as the default UI
[03:08] <haywire> Vantrax: o.k. how do I tell?
[03:08] <Vantrax> you know what gnome looks like?
[03:09] <Vantrax> and what xcfe looks like?
[03:09] <Vantrax> id look at screenshots of each and see which one it looks like
[03:09] <haywire> sorry, I really AM new to all linux..
[03:09] <Vantrax> yeah, its ok
[03:09] <haywire> Okay...
[03:09] <Vantrax> we are here for that
[03:09] <Vantrax> its not the only way, just the easiest one for a beginner
[03:10] <haywire> where's the guickest place for me to have a look at some screenshots?
[03:10] <swoody> sorry about that, connection lagged out :/
[03:10] <swoody> haywire: did you get that autologin straightened out?
[03:10] <haywire> no, still hashing it out...
[03:11] <Vantrax> swoody did you know if he was running xcfe or gdm for his desktop manager
[03:11] <haywire> Let's put it this way, the default program from the applications tap for "Login screen settings" is the same that comes up when...
[03:12] <swoody> Vantrax: I thought Xubuntu used gdm by default, no?
[03:12] <haywire> I type sudo gdmsetup from the run (Alt-f2) window..
[03:13] <swoody> haywire: yeah, that's gdm :)
[03:13] <haywire> So I'm afraid if i untinstall it completely and all it's dependencies, I'll loose all gui?
[03:13] <haywire> I have tried "Marking it for reinstall" and that didn't help...
[03:14] <haywire> I am really otherwise impressed with xubuntu  9.10.  (Having no prior versions to compare with...)
[03:16] <swoody> what happens when you run that: sudo gdmsetup ?
[03:16] <haywire> I was trying to avoid treating it like a windoze problem and completely reinstalling... :-(
[03:17] <swoody> does it not allow you to select "Login as"
[03:17] <haywire> swoody: It just brings up the same window "login screen settings", and everything but "Unlock" and "Close" are dimmed....
[03:18] <Vantrax> unlock it
[03:18] <haywire> It totally ignores me when I click unlock, and close, of course closes the window...
[03:18] <Vantrax> oh
[03:18] <Vantrax> hrm
[03:18] <Vantrax> what the login screen applet name
[03:18] <swoody> hmmm... root doesn't have permissions for GDM? :/
[03:18] <Vantrax> swoody can you do a little something
[03:18] <swoody> Vantrax: a dance, or a jig?
[03:18] <Vantrax> run alacarte and check what command that the menu entry from login settings has
[03:19] <haywire> I've had a look at the custom.conf file in gdm, and all is correct, I believe...
[03:19] <Vantrax> then haywire should be able to run that with sudo and have it unlocked by default
[03:19] <swoody> Vantrax: gdmsetup ;)
[03:19] <haywire> I told you guys I get all the "good" ones "bad luck!"...
[03:20] <swoody> haywire: it's not bad... it's *fun* ;)
[03:20] <haywire> I thought it was windows that hated me ...turns out it is just computers...heh heh... and yeah, once in awhile I enjoy a good challenge, too
[03:21] <haywire> after all I spent over 5 hrs researching and custom editing an xorg.conf file for my 32" 16x9 LCD display to drive it with it's native 1360x768 res..
[03:21] <haywire> looks better than windows was ever able to drive it..
[03:22] <swoody> haywire: wait, what happens when you just run: gdmsetup (without sudo?)
[03:22] <swoody> does it allow you to unlock?
[03:22] <swoody> and also, are you logged in as root?
[03:22] <haywire> no...
[03:22] <hell0> how do i find out which application is opening a port
[03:23] <swoody> hmm... sudo gdmsetup for me won't even open the window, whereas running 'gdmsetup' does, and I can unlock it then
[03:23] <haywire> that's a good question, how can I tell?  I read somewhere that the settings in custom.conf are ignored if you are logged in as root...
[03:23] <swoody> haywire: well, did you setup a root password with the command: passwd ?
[03:24] <swoody> otherwise, your account should just be a sudoer by default
[03:24] <haywire> swoody: you're correct abt. sudo ... it does same for me...looks like I remembered that wrong...
[03:24] <haywire> I don
[03:24] <Kirsten> Vantrax: just wanted to say how much I appreciate your help, finally got through
[03:24] <swoody> haywire: ah, ok then. Can you run other commands with sudo? try something simple: sudo apt-get update
[03:25] <haywire> Sri... I don't remember setting up a root passoword...remember this problem started after doing a "recovery mode" boot from grub...
[03:25] <swoody> gotcha :)
[03:25] <haywire> Hope u didn't miss that, maybe I typed it while u were out...
[03:26] <frank1_> HELP! im in over my head here.
[03:26] <swoody> haywire: can you check if you can run other commands with sudo fine?
[03:26] <haywire> I think so, but haven't tried to run much...
[03:27] <frank1_> trying to install a second hard drive. thought it would just be plug and play. its not and i have no clue what to do
[03:27] <swoody> haywire: try out something simple for now, like: sudo apt-get update Is it successful?
[03:27] <haywire> swoody: standby...
[03:28] <swoody> frank1_: what kind of HDD's? SATA, IDE? My first thought would be BIOS, have you checked for any options in your BIOS?
[03:28] <frank1_> its a wd 1TB sata
[03:29] <frank1_> figured the comp would just recognize it but no such luck
[03:29] <swoody> frank1_: what about your other disk? SATA, too?
[03:29] <frank1_> yessir
[03:30] <swoody> frank1_: and just to cover the basic stuff, have you checked that the plugs are all in tight, and tried swapping the plugs to different SATA ports?
[03:30] <frank1_> i would like to keep the linux os on the org hd and use the 1tb strictly for storage
[03:31] <frank1_> yea. im not so good with the technical stuff so  thats the first thing i looked at
[03:31] <haywire> swoody: hmmm - I tried running that from alt-f2, and no dice, but works o.k. from terminal after asking for admin pwd... Lemme take a standby, though and let you work with frankl awhile, I have been hogging the room..
[03:31] <swoody> haywire: no, it's np at all :)
[03:32] <swoody> haywire: one last thing to try, with alt+F2, try running: gksu gdmsetup
[03:32] <swoody> see if you can change it that way
[03:32] <swoody> frank1_: can you pastbin the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[03:32] <haywire> okay..
[03:33] <frank1_> pastbin?
[03:33] <swoody> frank1_: pastebin.ubuntu.com - to paste long outputs, and not flood channels :)
[03:33] <swoody> then just give us the link
[03:34] <haywire> swoody: I thought for a moment that was going to work..I got the window asking for my pwd, and after entering it I got the Login screen settings window, but still could not unlock, and every option there appears dimmed..
[03:34] <swoody> haywire: this is quite odd :/
[03:34] <frank1_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415299/
[03:35] <frank1_> thats pretty freakin cool
[03:35] <swoody> :)
[03:35] <swoody> frank1_: well you're in luck :)
[03:36] <frank1_> im assuming that whole no valid partition table thing is a problem
[03:36] <swoody> it looks like you just havne't formatted the disk yet
[03:36] <swoody> can be, but can also be resolved :)
[03:36] <swoody> do you have gparted installed?
[03:36] <frank1_> that i like to here
[03:36] <frank1_> not to my knowledge. lemme check
[03:36] <swoody> if not, in a terminal: sudo apt-get install gparted
[03:39] <frank1_> i will assume this is a partitioning program
[03:39] <swoody> frank1_: now when you use gparted, you have to be very careful. If you select the wrong drives or partitions to play around with, you can really mess up your system :/
[03:39] <swoody> frank1_: yep :)
[03:40] <frank1_> oh no. this is not the program for me than.
[03:41] <swoody> lol, well it's not terrribly dangerous, but you have to just watch what you do :)
[03:41] <frank1_> ok it looks like the dl is done. though im not too sure where it is
[03:41] <swoody> System>Admin>Gparted
[03:41] <frank1_> there ya go
[03:42] <swoody> :)
[03:42] <haywire> swoody: I have pastebinned the terminal output of an alt-f2 run of gksu gdmsetup, might that help? (http://paste.ubuntu.com/415301/)
[03:43] <swoody> haywire: that might, let me take a look through it :)
[03:43] <swoody> frank1_: in the top-right of the window, there should be a drop-down box for you to select your disk
[03:43] <frank1_> yea.
[03:43] <swoody> frank1_: does it show /dev/sda and /dev/sdb?
[03:43] <frank1_> yup
[03:44] <swoody> great, select /dev/sdb (your 1tb drive)
[03:44] <frank1_> k
[03:44] <frank1_> wow 70 gigs missing already
[03:44] <swoody> then on the menu at top, select Device>Create Partition Table
[03:45] <frank1_> k. it erases everything on the disk but it doesent look like anything else happened
[03:45] <Vantrax> the disk should have show as unpartitioned (just to make sure you nuke the right one)
[03:46] <frank1_> yep
[03:46] <frank1_> still gray and unallocated
[03:49] <haywire> (I really don't know much abt. what I'm looking at, but it didn't look "happy" about anything...) Surprising gdm is working at all, and I even have a desktop!
[03:49] <swoody> dang lag :/
[03:50] <swoody> frank1_: so were you able to make a partition?
[03:50] <frank1_> lag in my comp i can deal with . lag in my ps3 i can not
[03:50] <frank1_> no its still all gray and unallocated
[03:50] <swoody> lol
[03:51] <swoody> frank1_: did it ask you which kind of partition table to create?
[03:51] <swoody> it should default to msdos, did you change that?
[03:51] <frank1_> i was asked nothing and changed nothing
[03:51] <swoody> gotcha
[03:51] <frank1_> default is msdos
[03:52] <swoody> and when you right-click on the unallocated space, what does it show you? Are all the options greyed out?
[03:52] <John-_> John{brb}
[03:52] <frank1_> yea all gray except new and information
[03:52] <swoody> frank1_: select new :)
[03:53] <frank1_> k
[03:55] <frank1_> ive got alot of options. i just wanna make sure that i can use the stuff on the tb hd in windows. i would like to repartition my org hd to i can dual boot and acess my storage across both platforms
[03:55] <swoody> frank1_: then you'd probably want NTFS or FAT32
[03:56] <swoody> frank1_: what version(s) of windows are you planning on accessing it from?
[03:57] <frank1_> i have a copy of xp and i can use vista if i choose. mostly ill be using windows solely to sync my bbery. i just dont wanna screw myself in case i need to get something across platforms
[03:58] <swoody> frank1_: well if you really want to make it compatable, go with fat32, just about any OS out there can use it. NTFS will be fine for XP, Vista and 7, but may not work well with other versions or OS'es
[03:58] <frank1_> i hate windows with a passion. if it werent for my berry i prolly wouldnt do this at all
[03:58] <swoody> frank1_: I know the feeling, I only used Windows for my BB, till I got a new phone ;)
[03:59] <frank1_> well maybe when the iphone comes to verizon i can cut windows out of my life all together but i dont expect that any time soon
[03:59] <swoody> gotcha :)
[03:59] <frank1_> is their any diff in speed between fat32 and ext2 which is the preselected option
[04:00] <haywire> frankl: I'm dual-booting xp home and xubuntu 9.10.. abt the only prob. I ran into is windows likes to be on the 1st logical drive (mine were IDE) GRUB does a beautiful job of handling boot :-)
[04:00] <swoody> in all honesty, I doubt you're going to notice any difference in speeds with the different filesystems...
[04:00] <swoody> using the disk for storage won't require a ton of speed :)
[04:01] <frank1_> ok so than ntfs or fat32
[04:01] <frank1_> whats the diff there
[04:01] <swoody> well, ntfs is a newer version of Windows' filesystem, it can be compressed and encrypted
[04:02] <swoody> fat32 is compatible with just about every OS out there, but won't compress or encrypt if you need it
[04:02] <swoody> but with 1TB, I don't think you'll need to compress data any time soon ;)
[04:02] <frank1_> well since i know nothing of compression or encryption......
[04:02] <frank1_> guess fat 32 it is
[04:02] <swoody> yeah, it's a good, safe choice :)
[04:03] <frank1_> thats what i like to here
[04:03] <frank1_> so do i wanna create this as a primary or extended partition? ext right
[04:03] <swoody> primary
[04:04] <frank1_> that would not have been my guess
[04:04] <swoody> you can have up to 4 primary partitions on a disk, so I would use those before you considered thinking about ext.
[04:04] <frank1_> ok
[04:04] <swoody> or at least have a plan to need more partitions in the future. Again, being storage, I don't see that being a neccessity :)
[04:05] <frank1_> so the slider is all the way to the right and the free space precieding and following are 0
[04:05] <frank1_> new size is 953867
[04:05] <swoody> good, that'll take up the entire disk space
[04:05] <frank1_> ready to go?
[04:05] <swoody> sounds good to me :)
[04:06] <swoody> you could also set a label on the drive, something like 'Storage' or 'Pr0n Gallery'
[04:06] <swoody> it'll show up that way in your 'Places' menu in Ubuntu
[04:06] <frank1_> ok now heres what i would like to do. if possiable
[04:07] <frank1_> i wanna keep my doc, music, pict, vid folders but i want the folder to store things on the tb hd. so the org hd is storring linux and all its programs and thats it
[04:08] <frank1_> if that makes sense
[04:08] <swoody> so you want to move all of the stuff in your home to the external drive?
[04:09] <frank1_> yea and from this point forward i want all my stuff to go there
[04:09] <frank1_> ie. when i put something in the music folder i want it on the tb drive
[04:09] <swoody> frank1_: well that can be rather easy, but just to keep in mind, if you do move all of your info the the ext drive, you won't be able to boot successfully if it's not attached
[04:10] <swoody> so if you are running ubuntu, and want to transfer some stuff to another computer off your ext drive, you'll have to shutdown, and then transfer it
[04:11] <frank1_> hmm. not sure i follow. the org 200gb hd would still have ubuntu on it
[04:11] <swoody> also, with this method, I don't think you can install your home partition on a fat32 or ntfs folder, which means all of your info on your ext drive won't be able to be read from Windows
[04:12] <frank1_> ouch
[04:12] <swoody> what I think would work out well, would maybe setup system backups of your /home to the external drive?
[04:12] <swoody> that way you still have all of your personal info, and can read it on Windows
[04:13] <frank1_> i just dont want the music folder linked to the smaller hd. i dont wanna have that folder in my places menu and have it acess nothing while all my music is someplace else
[04:14] <swoody> hmm... ok. Then yeah, give me one min to see if we can do this on a fat32 partition.
[04:14] <frank1_> my hd is full of music now and my comp is slow as balls. thought it would go back to normal if i only had linux os on the rive
[04:14] <swoody> I haven't done this before, so I'm not positive :)
[04:14] <frank1_> ok
[04:14] <frank1_> does it at least make sence?
[04:15] <frank1_> it seemed much less complex when i spoke to my friend about it the other day
[04:16] <swoody> yeah, I understand what you're aiming for here :)
[04:16] <frank1_> k cool
[04:16] <swoody> but do keep in mind like I said, you won't be able to disconnect the external drive while you're using Ubuntu
[04:17] <frank1_> i have no intentions of doing that
[04:17] <swoody> so if that's going to be an issue...?
[04:17] <swoody> ok, good :)
[04:17] <frank1_> this babies in there for good
[04:17] <swoody> lol
[04:18] <swoody> frank1_: do you have an Ubuntu liveCD on hand? I know to move the data to a new partition, we're going to need to boot from a CD
[04:19] <frank1_> i have an ubuntu cd. kinda old though. ibex i think
[04:19] <swoody> hmm... I don't *think* that will be a problem :)
[04:19] <frank1_> kewl
[04:20] <swoody> but let me find someone who is more comfortable with moving partitions. I would hate to mess this up for you ;)
[04:20] <frank1_> ok. idk how im going to get back into this chat room when i boot from cd. i have my info saved into pidgen so i only had to set this up once
[04:21] <frank1_> and i saved the chat room so if i need help i cam just jump rght in
[04:23] <swoody> ah, gotcha. well let me see how this is going to work first, and then we can figure out if we need to do that or not :)
[04:23] <frank1_> that works
[04:27] <haywire> swoody: I think I found a big piece of the puzzle that might help my situation (but only by someone more linux-smart than I)... This I found added to the terminal window output only AFTER i clicked the unlock button in Login Screen Settings..."** (gdmsetup:1779): WARNING **: Failed to unlock: The name org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .service files"
[04:28] <haywire> Of course, I don't want to totally sidetrack you on the hard drive job ;-)
[04:28] <swoody> haywire: it's np :) However, I'm still not quite understanding what's going on with that :/
[04:29] <swoody> haywire: I think you may be better off posting on the forums, and getting more input than just I can provide :/
[04:30] <frank1_> how long does this gparted program take to make this partition? its still running
[04:30] <frank1_> NM
[04:30] <haywire> sounds good...thanks a heap for ur efforts... I may just save my carefully edited xorg.conf file for reinstallation later, and reinstall xubuntu... thnks agn.
[04:31] <swoody> haywire: np, best of luck on that one :)
[04:31] <haywire> cya
[04:32] <swoody> frank1_: ok then :) Do you have backups of any info you don't want to lose?
[04:32] <frank1_> no. all i have is on that original hd
[04:32] <frank1_> roughly 200gigs of my music
[04:33] <swoody> frank1_: well, with moving around partitions and info, there's always a chance of losing info, so if you want to make backups somewhere, now would be the time :)
[04:33] <frank1_> not really sure how i would backup 200+ gigs wortha crap
[04:33] <swoody> if not, this process will make duplicates of your info until we're done, so there's a good chance of not losing anything
[04:33] <frank1_> id have to burn alot of cds lol
[04:34] <swoody> well if you're ok with continuing without backups...?
[04:35] <frank1_> a good chance sounds like good odds. loosing everything would be more of an inconvience than anything. not much of this stuff was purchased from an online retailer *wink*
[04:35] <swoody> lol
[04:35] <frank1_> so how do we do this
[04:36] <syrinx2112> hello... I was wondering if anyone knows where the default wallpapers that are installed with ubuntu are stored?
[04:37] <swoody> syrinx2112: try /usr/share/wallpapers I could be wrong though :/
[04:37] <swoody> frank1_: ok, from a terminal: sudo blkid
[04:37] <swoody> frank1_: and pastebin the output
[04:37] <syrinx2112> hmm, not there... great idea though
[04:38] <frank1_> command not found
[04:38] <frank1_> wait one se
[04:38] <frank1_> sec
[04:38] <frank1_> my bad
[04:39] <swoody> syrinx2112: sorry, /usr/bin/backgrounds
[04:39] <swoody> syrinx2112: sorry, lol /usr/share/backgrounds :)
[04:40] <syrinx2112> Yay!
[04:40] <syrinx2112> very good :)  thank you
[04:41] <frank1_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415317/
[04:43] <swoody_> sorry, more lag :/
[04:43] <frank1_> damn
[04:43] <swoody_> eh?
[04:43] <frank1_> with the lag. that sucks man
[04:44] <swoody_> yeah, it's no buenos :/
[04:44] <swoody_> frank1_: so did you get that pastebin?
[04:44] <frank1_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415317/
[04:45] <swoody_> great :)
[04:45] <frank1_> what it mans is beyond me lol
[04:46] <haywire> swoody: Problem solved! U helped me more than you realized! I'm happier than a bear cub that just found his d..k !  I searched the forums, and came up with the answer faster than I thought possible.  I don't know how it got switched, but I know when :)
[04:46] <swoody_> haywire: that's great to hear :D
[04:46] <frank1_> thats preaty friggin happy
[04:46] <haywire> my default desktop manager got swapped to "kdm" somehow during the "recovery mode incedent...
[04:47] <swoody_> frank1_: now we're going to make a backup of your current fstab: sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
[04:47] <swoody_> frank1_: then edit it: gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[04:47] <swoody_> Add this line:
[04:48] <swoody_> UUID=95FC-FFB3   /media/home    vfat          nodev,nosuid       0       2
[04:48] <swoody_> then save it, and close it
[04:48] <swoody_> frank1_: and now we're going to mount it: sudo mkdir /media/home
[04:49] <swoody_> and: sudo mount -a
[04:49] <frank1_> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
[04:49] <frank1_> not found
[04:49] <swoody_> not found?
[04:49] <frank1_> command not found
[04:49] <swoody_> cp isn't found?
[04:50] <swoody_> hmm...
[04:50] <frank1_> beans@beans-desktop:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
[04:50] <frank1_> beans: command not found
[04:50] <swoody_> that's odd :/
[04:50] <swoody_> try: sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstabbackup
[04:51] <frank1_> nope
[04:51] <swoody_> does it still say "beans: command not found"?
[04:51] <frank1_> yup
[04:52] <swoody_> that's odd. Normally it'll display the command that's giving you the error, like "cp: command not found"
[04:53] <frank1_> ill take your word on that one.
[04:53] <swoody_> well, let's try this: sudo mv /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
[04:54] <frank1_> same command not found
[04:54] <swoody_> that's odd...
[04:54] <haywire> swoody: for your notes...I dropped to a terminal window and typed sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm and set gdm to my default thanks agn. <grin>  I'm "gone".
[04:55] <swoody_> haywire: very nice! take care :)
[04:56] <mattrug> Not sure how beginner-y this question is, but I am trying to find the source for sys_getpid to edit it; however, all the documentation I can find does place it in the place they say it is. Does anyone know where it is located in 2.6.31?
[04:57] <swoody_> hello mattrug :)
[04:58] <mattrug> Hey
[04:59] <swoody_> I don't think I'm going to be much help with this one :/
[04:59] <swoody_> hopefully someone else can happen along here who may know
[04:59] <mattrug> :/ S'okay.
[04:59] <mattrug> Thanks for trying, I guess!
[04:59] <swoody_> have you tried asking in #ubuntu? Any responses there?
[05:00] <swoody_> frank1_: I'm still looking into this by the way, that is a very odd error to have :/
[05:00] <mattrug> Well, I figured I'd ask here first. :P I'll try #ubuntu next. Thanks.
[05:00] <swoody_> mattrug: np :) Stay idling in here too incase someone does know
[05:00] <mattrug> Thanks. Will do.
[05:01] <swoody_> frank1_: try closing that terminal, and opening a new one. Maybe it's something simple like that ;)
[05:01] <frank1_> did that for both commands
[05:02] <swoody_> hmmm...
[05:02] <frank1_> was all i could come up with on my end
[05:02] <swoody_> :)
[05:04] <swoody_> frank1_: try: which cp
[05:05] <frank1_> type that into terminal?
[05:05] <swoody_> did it give you an output?
[05:05] <swoody_> yeah
[05:05] <frank1_> /bin/cp
[05:09] <swoody> lol, well this is fun :P
[05:09] <swoody> lag-nation
[05:10] <swoody> frank1_: ok, try the cp command again:
[05:10] <swoody> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
[05:10] <duanedesign> mattrug: the newest kernel source i had on my computer is 2.6.30. I did a grep and came up with linux-2.6.30.6/kernel/timer.c ??
[05:11] <mattrug> Okay.  I looked in timer.c and found something close, but it isn't quite what I'm looking for. Either that, or I'm just confused.
[05:11] <frank1_> cp: cannot stat `/etc/fstab': No such file or directory
[05:12] <swoody> I wonder if that move worked...
[05:12] <swoody> frank1_: try:
[05:12] <swoody> sudo cp /etc/fstab.backup /etc/fstab
[05:14] <frank1_> command not found
[05:15] <frank1_> wtf
[05:17] <swoody> hmm...
[05:17] <swoody> what does it say exactly?
[05:17] <swoody> beans: again?
[05:17] <frank1_> beans: command not found
[05:18] <swoody> this is odd. And you're entering the commands just as I type them? nothing before or after it?
[05:19] <frank1_> nope just straight copy and paste
[05:19] <swoody> that's odd :;/
[05:19] <swoody> :/
[05:19] <swoody> ok, try:
[05:19] <swoody> sudo mv /etc/fstab.backup /etc/fstab
[05:20] <frank1_> beans: command not found
[05:20] <swoody> hmm...
[05:21] <duanedesign> frank1_: does 'where mv' return anything
[05:22] <swoody> duanedesign: do you mean 'which'?
[05:22] <frank1_> No command 'where' found, did you mean:
[05:22] <frank1_>  Command 'gwhere' from package 'gwhere' (universe)
[05:22] <frank1_> where: command not found
[05:22] <duanedesign> should get something like:
[05:22] <duanedesign> mv: aliased to mv -i
[05:22] <duanedesign> /bin/mv
[05:23] <frank1_> which mv yields..... /bin/mv
[05:23] <swoody> mine is same as frank1_ 's
[05:23] <duanedesign> lol
[05:23] <duanedesign> which gets me
[05:23] <duanedesign> mv: aliased to mv -i
[05:24] <duanedesign> i must have an alias in my bashrc
[05:24] <duanedesign> try:   /bin/mv /etc/fstab.backup /etc/fstab
[05:25] <swoody> sudo?
[05:25] <duanedesign> yeah if you need it
[05:25] <duanedesign> which you probably will
[05:25] <frank1_> no such file
[05:25] <frank1_> sudo where
[05:25] <frank1_> ???
[05:25] <swoody> hmm.. well it' working :)
[05:26] <swoody> now we have to figure out why it doesn't recognize your fstab...
[05:26] <swoody> thanks duanedesign :)
[05:26] <swoody> frank1_: output of:  ls /etc/fstab*
[05:27] <frank1_> /etc/fstab  /etc/fstabbackup
[05:27] <swoody> great :)
[05:27] <swoody> now we're back in business :)
[05:27] <swoody> gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[05:28] <frank1_> oh dear
[05:28] <frank1_> that made things much more confusing on my screen lol
[05:28] <swoody> and add the line: UUID=95FC-FFB3   /media/home    vfat          nodev,nosuid       0       2
[05:29] <swoody> to the bottom of that file
[05:29] <frank1_> and than? save?
[05:29] <swoody> yup :)
[05:29] <swoody> and you can close that for now
[05:29] <frank1_> k
[05:30] <swoody> now we need to create the mount point:
[05:30] <swoody> sudo mkdir /media/home
[05:30] <swoody> and mount your new drive:
[05:30] <swoody> sudo mount -a
[05:31] <frank1_> that first command did nothing
[05:31] <swoody> good so far? :)
[05:31] <swoody> well, it created a directory, it won't give any output
[05:31] <frank1_> oh ok
[05:32] <frank1_> [mntent]: line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad
[05:32] <swoody> hmm...
[05:32] <swoody> can you post the output of: sudo blkid
[05:33] <swoody> I only really need the line that starts " /dev/sdb1"
[05:33] <frank1_> its not letting me copy and paste
[05:34] <frank1_> unknown command when i try and paste
[05:34] <frank1_> weird
[05:34] <frank1_> /dev/sda1: UUID="8e535b4a-2ddf-4dc5-a948-ae78fb72d4d0" TYPE="ext3"
[05:34] <frank1_> /dev/sda5: UUID="7ff50fe3-9120-4cb1-875f-162583fdaf57" TYPE="swap"
[05:34] <frank1_> /dev/sdb1: LABEL="" UUID="95FC-FFB3" TYPE="vfat"
[05:34] <swoody> hmm.. that is odd :/
[05:34] <frank1_> yet i can paste the whole thing lol. ok
[05:34] <swoody> lol
[05:35] <swoody> ok, go back and let's edit the /etc/fstab file again:
[05:35] <swoody> gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[05:36] <swoody> remove the line we added, and instead add this:
[05:37] <swoody> /dev/sdb1   /media/home    vfat          nodev,nosuid       0       2
[05:37] <swoody> now save it, close it, and run:
[05:37] <swoody> sudo mount -a
[05:38] <frank1_> k
[05:38] <swoody> all good? No errors?
[05:39] <frank1_> didnt say anything
[05:39] <swoody> good :)
[05:39] <swoody> no to copy over the info from your home to the new home:
[05:39] <swoody> sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/.
[05:40] <swoody> not sure how long this will take :)
[05:40] <swoody> 220GB may be a while ;)
[05:40] <frank1_> rsync: chown "/media/home/./beans" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
[05:40] <frank1_> oh god
[05:41] <swoody> hmm...
[05:41] <frank1_> how do i stop this
[05:41] <swoody> stop what?
[05:41] <frank1_> a million things scrolling through terminal and their all not permitted
[05:42] <swoody> ctrl+C
[05:42] <frank1_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/415354/
[05:43] <swoody> hmm...
[05:45] <swoody> try this:
[05:45] <swoody> sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home
[05:46] <mattrug> Since I'm here, I might as well ask if anyone knows where the task_struct source is located. o:
[05:46] <frank1_> looks much of the same
[05:46] <swoody> frank1_: still same 'Operation not permitted'?
[05:47] <frank1_> yea
[05:47] <swoody> hmm...
[05:47] <swoody> try this:
[05:47] <swoody> sudo /usr/bin/rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/.
[05:49] <frank1_> nada same issue
[05:56] <frank1_> out of ideas yet?
[05:56] <swoody> frank1_: working on it ;) Not familiar with rsync, but I don't want to try cp'ing all your data just yet
[05:57] <frank1_> kk
[05:57] <swoody> oh...
[05:58] <swoody> this is a problem with the fat32 filesystem. It doesn't accept permissions :/
[05:58] <swoody> hmm...
[05:59] <frank1_> ok well what about ntfs. cant i just repartition
[05:59] <swoody> ok, we're going to have to repartition your hdd again
[05:59] <swoody> yeah, ntfs will work, but it's not as stable as ext3 or ext4. So it's your choice if you want Windows compatibility or stability more
[06:00] <frank1_> stability
[06:02] <swoody> well it does look like you 'might' be able to access ext3/ext4 from Windows afterall, let me see...
[06:04] <swoody> ok, ext2 and ext3 are supported, but you will need to install an app in Windows to do it
[06:04] <swoody> so let's unmount the drive:
[06:04] <swoody> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[06:05] <swoody> and open up gparted again, System>Admin>Gparted
[06:05] <frank1_> umount: /media/home: device is busy.
[06:05] <frank1_>         (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[06:05] <frank1_>          the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[06:05] <swoody> hmm...
[06:08] <swoody> try:
[06:08] <swoody> lsof -l | grep rsync
[06:08] <swoody> any output?
[06:09] <frank1_> no
[06:09] <swoody> try the umount command again
[06:09] <swoody> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[06:09] <swoody> not sure what's keeping it busy here :/
[06:11] <frank1_> isnt their some way to just force quit whatever actions going on
[06:11] <swoody> frank1_: if we could find out what process(es) is keeping it busy
[06:12] <swoody> is gparted open?
[06:13] <frank1_> nope
[06:14] <swoody> frank1_: here we go:
[06:14] <swoody> fuser -m /dev/sdb1
[06:15] <frank1_> k
[06:15] <frank1_> nothing happened
[06:16] <swoody> no output?
[06:16] <swoody> try umounting one last time
[06:17] <frank1_> sudo umount /dev/sdb1?
[06:17] <swoody> yep :)
[06:17] <swoody> and try:
[06:17] <frank1_> asked for my password than nothing
[06:17] <swoody> sudo umount /media/home
[06:18] <swoody> ok, good it should be unmounted now :)
[06:18] <swoody> don't know what was making it hang, but it must have ended
[06:18] <swoody> now open gparted, and select '/dev/sdb' in the top-right
[06:18] <frank1_> yea cuz media/home is not mounted
[06:19] <frank1_> ok]
[06:19] <swoody> and now right-click on the fat32 partition you made earlier, and format it to ext3
[06:20] <swoody> then hit 'Apply' to let it run
[06:20] <frank1_> running
[06:21] <swoody> while we're waiting, let's go make a quick edit in your fstab file:
[06:21] <swoody> gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[06:21] <swoody> in the line you added, change "vfat" to "ext3"
[06:21] <swoody> then you can save, and exit
[06:22] <frank1_> k
[06:22] <swoody> is gparted done now, too?
[06:24] <frank1_> nah thats still running
[06:24] <swoody> haha, you have a big HDD :)
[06:26] <frank1_> done
[06:26] <swoody> great :)
[06:27] <swoody> now to mount it again:
[06:27] <swoody> sudo mount -a
[06:27] <swoody> and finally to copy your data:
[06:27] <frank1_> ok
[06:27] <swoody> sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/.
[06:28] <frank1_> hmmm
[06:28] <swoody> yeah?
[06:28] <frank1_> nothing happened
[06:28] <swoody> no output?
[06:29] <frank1_> none from either command
[06:29] <swoody> try:
[06:29] <swoody> ls /media/home
[06:29] <frank1_> i cant try anything.
[06:29] <swoody> does it show anything?
[06:29] <frank1_> nope
[06:29] <frank1_> and if i cloose it says it will kill a process
[06:30] <swoody> maybe working in the background? Are your disk activity lights on?
[06:30] <frank1_> que?
[06:31] <swoody> the light on your computer that flashes when your HDD is working. Should be close to your power light?
[06:31] <frank1_> sure
[06:32] <swoody> lol, do you know what I mean?
[06:32] <frank1_> ill assume the second little light is what your refering to and in that case yes its flickering
[06:32] <swoody> well that's good. Really fast and consistantly, or just kind of puttering every now and then?
[06:33] <frank1_> really fast. almost solid
[06:33] <swoody> try this:
[06:33] <swoody> lsof | grep /media/home
[06:33] <swoody> does it print output?
[06:33] <frank1_> nah terminal is just sitting
[06:34] <frank1_> beans@beans-desktop:~$ sudo mount -a
[06:34] <frank1_> beans@beans-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/.
[06:34] <swoody> no, I meant that command^
[06:34] <swoody> lsof | grep /media/home
[06:35] <frank1_> theres no place to type it
[06:35] <swoody> oh, try it in a new terminal if you don't have the prompt on your current terminal
[06:35] <frank1_> yea no prompt
[06:35] <frank1_> open another one and try that?
[06:35] <swoody> yeah
[06:35] <swoody> and that's a good sign that it didn't give you a prompt. Hopefully means it's working and not hung up ;)
[06:35] <frank1_> nuffin
[06:35] <swoody> hmm...
[06:35] <frank1_> but i cant close that terminal eithr
[06:36] <swoody> yeah, I would leave it for the time being. 220GB is quite a lot to transfer
[06:36] <frank1_> and you think thats what its doing now>?
[06:36] <swoody> hopefully ;)
[06:37] <swoody> if your discs are spinning, and it says there's a command running in that terminal, chances are it's doing what we want it to
[06:37] <frank1_> alright well im guessing 220gb is gunna be a while
[06:38] <swoody> true, go watch some TV or something, and let me know when it finally gives you a prompt :)
[06:38] <frank1_> yea the drives are doing something
[06:39] <swoody> frank1_: also for future reference, I would bookmark this page: http://www.howtoforge.com/access-linux-partitions-from-windows
[06:39] <frank1_> how often are you on here?
[06:39]  * mattrug bashes his head over a rock.
[06:39] <swoody> for when you do install Windows
[06:39]  * swoody feels bad for mattrug 's rock :/
[06:39] <swoody> frank1_: oh I'm here quite often :)
[06:40] <swoody> I'll be here for a bit longer tonight still
[06:40] <frank1_> well idk where your from but its 140 here in NY and im gunna guess all these gigs are gunna take a while
[06:40] <mattrug> ): The rock started it.
[06:40] <swoody> lol
[06:41] <swoody> frank1_: I'm only an hour behind you, but it's your call :)
[06:42] <swoody> frank1_: if you want to try and finish this when you have time: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[06:42] <frank1_> im gunna go shower and eat. ill check back b4 bed. if its done ill lettcha know. otherwise ill be back
[06:42] <frank1_> oh ok
[06:42] <swoody> we're all the way down at the copying point, and there's not much left to do once it's done copying
[06:45] <mattrug> I'm trying to do some /dev work. Am I crazy that I can't figure out how to do a write to a char dev?
[06:45] <frank1_> yea it looks like its copying
[06:45] <frank1_> if i click the tb drive i have an exact copy of my home folder
[06:46] <frank1_> though all the folders there have an X on them and a lock
[06:46] <frank1_> and i dont have permission to access
[06:46] <swoody> well not yet, we're copying as root here (sudo)
[06:46] <swoody> so hopefully everything will get worked out :)
[06:47] <swoody> mattrug: hmmm.. I'm not a dev by any stretch of the imagination ;)
[06:47] <swoody> mattrug: have you tried #ubuntu-devel?
[06:47] <mattrug> Nope. D:
[06:48] <mattrug> I don't mean developer. :P
[06:48] <mattrug> If that's what you think.
[06:48] <swoody> oh, /dev.... it's getting late ;)
[06:48] <mattrug> Besides, I mostly just have C questions, rather than ubuntu questions, I suppose. *shrug*
[06:50] <frank1_> you think terminal will do something when this is done>?
[06:50] <swoody> frank1_: should just return you to the prompt. Probably nothing exciting
[06:50] <swoody> maybe a confirmation?
[06:53] <frank1_> ill take that
[06:53] <frank1_> wish something would show the status
[06:56] <swoody> yeah, that would have been nice :/
[07:12] <paultag_> Challah, ya'll
[07:13] <swoody> hello paultag_ :)
[07:13] <paultag_> heyya swoody
[07:13] <paultag_> swoody, how goes?
[07:13] <swoody> paultag_: good, good. Waiting for frank1_ 's copying to finish :)
[07:13] <paultag_> :)
[07:13] <swoody> paultag_: how's goes things with you?
[07:14] <paultag_> I'm watching the Royal Tennenbaums and sitting with my new netbook
[07:14] <swoody> very cool. Which netbook did you pick up?
[07:14] <paultag_> swoody, HP Mini 110
[07:14] <paultag_> Small WiFi problem, but it got resolved in the first hour
[07:14] <swoody> ah, very cool. Didn't go for the Lemote YeeLoong?
[07:14] <swoody> very nice :)
[07:15] <paultag_> :)
[07:15] <swoody> so is that going to be your main rig now?
[07:17] <paultag_> Hell naws. :)
[07:17] <paultag_> swoody, I can't do development on a single 1.6 GhZ atom
[07:18] <paultag_> swoody, my main rig is 2x core 2 @ 3.37 GhZ + 8 GB RAM and a bitching video card
[07:18] <swoody> very nice :)
[07:18] <paultag_> :)
[16:12] <LzrdKing> whats a good protocol to use for playing video files over a lan?  i'm using SMB now because it makes my windows client happy and ubuntu is ok as well, but is there something that would make ubuntu happier?
[16:14] <leoquant> LzrdKing sorry i am not into gaming, maybe someone else here
[16:15] <LzrdKing> video streaming isn't gaming :)
[16:15] <nigelb> LzrdKing, I think smb is your best bet for now.  But checking to make sure :)
[16:16] <LzrdKing> better than ftp, nfs, etc?
[16:16] <LzrdKing> where are you checking?
[16:17] <nigelb> old forum posts
[16:18] <nigelb> I'm sure someone came into this problem earlier
[16:21] <nigelb> LzrdKing, sorry, found none other which works out of the box with windows.  But probably someone else knows too :)
[16:21] <LzrdKing> no no, it doesn;t have to work with windows
[16:21] <LzrdKing> windows (if/when it gets used) can keep using SMB
[16:22] <LzrdKing> but is there something better for ubuntu (the server is also running ubuntu)
[16:24] <nigelb> LzrdKing, well, nfs is certainly faster, but I'm not sure how to set it up with windows
[16:24] <nigelb> i.e. windows as client machines
[16:24] <LzrdKing> don't have to set it up with windows
[16:24] <LzrdKing> just linux
[16:24] <nigelb> LzrdKing, take a look this forum post, that should help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473136
[16:24] <LzrdKing> as long as the same directory can be exported as both an NFS share and a SMB share
[16:28] <LzrdKing> wow, this one post says he get 30-40MB with nfs but only 8-15MB with SMB
[16:28] <nigelb> yup
[16:42] <paultag> hey nhandler
[16:45] <paultag> hey drubin
[16:45] <drubin> paultag: hey
[16:46] <paultag> drubin, I'mma gana P.M. you
[20:34] <LzrdKing> would it be better to run jaunty or karmic as a server?
[20:37] <drubin> LzrdKing: karmic
[20:37] <phillw> LzrdKing: as the next LTS, Lucid, is due immently, I'd suggest hanging on for that one.
[20:37] <drubin> LzrdKing: januty will be end of live before karmic will. also it is easier to upgrade to lucid which will be the next LTS release
[20:38] <drubin> or install the beta and upgrade through to final release
[20:38] <drubin> but would not recommend it for production just yet.
[20:38] <drubin> phillw: I would never install lucid on a server in the first 2 weeks of it comming out
[20:38] <phillw> depends how long you've been running the beta for ;-)
[20:39] <phillw> if you want lts --> lts, then simply put on 8.04.4 and jump to 10.04 from it.
[20:40] <phillw> 8.04.4 has been out a couple of months now, and has been tested for the leap to 10.04
[20:40] <drubin> phillw: so has karmic
[20:41] <hobgoblin> phillw: but in a real life test to upgrade drs had issues
[20:46] <drubin> LzrdKing: the truth is on production or server stuff you have to test hings before upgrading or installing any thing mission critical
[20:50] <LzrdKing> it's running jaunty now, so i should just leave it there?
[20:50] <LzrdKing> its just a home server
[20:51] <drubin> LzrdKing: I would upgrade to karmic.... and then when lucid is released I would upgrade too
[20:51] <drubin> the reason is karmic will get more frequent updates/upgrades
[20:52] <drubin> and Jaunty will be come end of line in like 6months
[20:55] <LzrdKing> clean install or upgrade?
[20:56] <hobgoblin> make sure you have good backups and upgrade would be my choice
[20:56] <hobgoblin> though I clean installed lucid over hardy as I wanted ext4
[20:58] <LzrdKing> does end of live for jaunty mean no more updates, ever?
[21:00] <drubin> you can upgrade
[21:00] <drubin> LzrdKing: yes
[21:01] <LzrdKing> YAY!
[22:29] <duanedesign> jo
[23:35] <rathin2j> hi every one,
[23:36] <rathin2j> i would like to ask one question which may appear strange or silly!!!
[23:36] <rathin2j> i currently installed ubuntu 9.10 on my new HP box through WUBI,
[23:36] <rathin2j> now the thing is that
[23:37] <rathin2j> in my nautilus i dont see the partition in which i installed the ubuntu!!!
[23:38] <pleia2> hmm, I'm not all that familiar with how wubi sees partitions (or not)
[23:38] <rathin2j> during this i installed AWN DOCK,in that a FILE MANAGER shortcut is given,i installed that,in that i see my partition,now what to do???
[23:39] <phillw> rathin2j: wubi installs ubuntu as a 'programme' under windows with a 'virtual file system'
[23:40] <rathin2j> yes u r right it appears in "add/remove programme"list of win7
[23:42] <phillw> rathin2j: if you want to anything more than just 'play' with ubuntu, I'd recomend setting it up as dual boot, this has two advantages: 1) you get a full ubuntu system 2) if your win area ever gets really hacked by viruses / nasties you can use the ubuntu partition to rescue your data & possibly heal it.
[23:42] <drubin> phillw: you can technically do both those things with wubi
[23:43] <rathin2j> "phillw"&"drubin" u both r rit,
[23:43] <phillw> drubin: have you done that with wubi and win7 ? last i heard wubi and win7 were barely on speaking terms
[23:43] <drubin> the pro's of using wubi is that you don't need to repartion you hard drives.. and it is very easy to uninstall, also using wubi isn't as fast because it is running on a windows formatted hard drive
[23:44] <drubin> phillw: ;/ might be wrong with windows 7 but I know that it works with windows XP and Vista
[23:44] <drubin> also windows 7 plays pretty well with ubuntu and dual boot stuff
[23:44] <rathin2j> i ws previously having dual boot,but as DURBIN said it's difficult to uninstall
[23:44] <phillw> drubin: indeed it does, but it's been reported as unhappy with win7
[23:44] <rathin2j> and currently i m bit busy with studies
[23:44]  * drubin hasn't exprienced that before
[23:44] <rathin2j> so coldnt handle all that reformatting stuff
[23:45] <phillw> rathin2j: there is no problem uninstalling, ask win7 to make 10 GB area free (win7 has a tool to do that) no repartioning required.
[23:46] <rathin2j> ya,in fact i had already repartitioned 15GB
[23:46] <rathin2j> for it
[23:46] <phillw> leave the area free (un formatted) ensure you can boot win7 then just tell ubuntu to install into the free area, it will just get on and do it for you. We stopped using gparted for these things at Vista
[23:47] <rathin2j> but i bcame a bit LAZY about uninstalling and main thing was that my PC was new so didnt wanted to MESS wit it :)
[23:48] <rathin2j> bt i think u people r right
[23:48] <rathin2j> i will install the OLD WAY ;)
[23:48] <drubin> phillw: what is wrong with gparted? and why did we stop using it
[23:49] <rathin2j> perhaps coz it is currently hving bug
[23:49] <rathin2j> in repartitioning NTFS
[23:49] <rathin2j> m i right?
[23:50] <phillw> drubin: there were problems reported whereby win screamed like a scalded pig. nothing to do with ntfs, as it works perfectly with XP, it's just win not being able to cope with it would kick in chkdsk etc and get all confused
[23:50] <phillw> @ rathin2j re ntfs
[23:51] <rathin2j> sorry i dnt understand what u r saying??? can u repeat it??
[23:52] <rathin2j> measn by " re ntfs"
[23:52] <rathin2j> :(
[23:52] <rathin2j> :-[
[23:55] <phillw> win xp uses ntfs, and gparted gets on fine with it, ntfs is the 'new' version of FAT - just as we joke that ntsc colour scheme in USA is Never Twice Same Colour, so it seems that MS did that to ntfs, and made it Never Twice the File System, but that is just a bit of a joke. What is more important is that after Vista, you should use the inbuilt file shrinking system and not gparted
[23:56] <phillw> I don't have a real easy win7 one to hand, but the rules are the same for this one --> http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first.htm?page=2
[23:57] <phillw> apcmag are good with their stuff, as they have screen shots and the instructions work.