[00:11] <TheMuso> /c/c
[00:23] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, oh, you got PPU rights for transmission now?
[00:23] <chrisccoulson> congrats :)
[00:29] <kklimonda> thanks
[00:43]  * Nafai yawns
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, we'll fix the mess with the bzr branch soon (by just using the lp:ubuntu/transmission branch)
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> anyway, bed time for me
[01:14] <arand> Whatever happened to Bug #548534 ? Not going in Lucid?
[01:15] <TheMuso> raof: heh unwired.
[03:02] <TheMuso> raof: Ditched the unwired eh? :)
[03:02] <raof> That particular café's internet just didn't allow IRC :(
[03:03] <TheMuso> ah
[03:04] <raof> Which is a pity, because it serves nicer coffee than this one.
[03:04] <TheMuso> heh
[06:29] <RAOF> Internode appears to have been a little bit overzealous about disconnecting my internet :(*
[07:32] <baptistemm> hello
[07:35] <pitti> Good morning
[07:36] <RAOF> Good morning pitti.
[07:40] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[07:41] <RAOF> A bit concerned about my laptop.  EXT4 is shouting “This should not happen!!  Data will be lost” at me in dmesg.
[07:42] <pitti> urgh, that sounds bad
[07:42] <RAOF> Also, slightly too highly caffinated.  An unfortunate side effect of working from a café while my flat is being emptied.
[07:42] <robert_ancell> pitti, RAOF, hey
[07:42] <pitti> RAOF: oh, you are moving?
[07:42] <pitti> hey robert_ancell, how are you?
[07:43] <RAOF> pitti: Indeed - to Hobart, city of /magic/
[07:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, good.  there's a simple-scan with a small fix queued - please let through!
[07:44] <RAOF> Can I get some “where is RC for FinalFreeze” calibration on bug #564351 - it renders the library non-functional, but there's exactly one rdepend of that library.
[07:44] <robert_ancell> wow, the build queues are really busy - still waiting for ntrack to build some 8+ hours later
[07:47] <robert_ancell> ps pitti, I love apport!  It makes developing software so easy...  The simple-scan bug reports come back with all the information I need and I can quickly fix things.  I can't imagine how many driver specific bugs would get missed without it :)
[07:48]  * RAOF reboots to reset his filesystems to read/write after ext4 shouted at him.
[07:51] <artnay> is there any way to obtain alpha 1 or alpha 2 and/or daily builds between those alphas? I'm asking this because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - 5xxx GPUs are the most sold separate GPUs at the moment so I think the importance of this bug is high
[07:52] <artnay> I have 5750 in one of my computers and the daily builds worked fine after alpha1 until this bug occured before alpha2
[07:53] <pitti> robert_ancell: re (sorry, phone)
[07:53] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, will look at it
[07:54] <pitti> robert_ancell: nice to hear  :)
[07:54] <artnay> I'd like to track down the last working daily build so the bug could be addressed more specifically
[08:42] <didrocks> good morning
[08:42] <didrocks> hum, fsck at start and then gdm-greeter not starting… not a good day :)
[08:43] <huats> morning
[08:43] <didrocks> hey huats
[08:43] <huats> hello didrocks !
[08:48] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:48] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti
[08:56] <seb128> hey didrocks huats pitti
[08:56] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[08:57] <pitti> hey seb128, how are you?
[08:58] <seb128> pitti, I'm good, thanks, how are you?
[08:59] <pitti> I'm great
[08:59] <pitti> after countless hours I finally defeated CD detection, I think
[09:00] <seb128> ;-)
[09:17] <huats> hello seb128
[09:21] <seb128> bah, all clickables url in evo turned orange today with updates it's confusing
[09:31] <didrocks> hum, evo has removed all my local data of my gmail imap account…
[09:31] <didrocks> it's resynchronizing everything¿
[09:31]  * didrocks puts the ethernet cable
[09:35] <seb128> didrocks, btw I asked bmurray why you are not on http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-dx-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[09:35] <seb128> ups
[09:35] <seb128> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-desktop-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[09:35] <didrocks> oh thanks, it was still on my TODO list :)
[09:35] <seb128> you are basically sleeping through all those reports
[09:36] <seb128> I think it also means rickspencer doesn't see your tasks when he checks status for lucid
[09:36] <seb128> didrocks, the issue is that you made no email public on launchpad
[09:36] <didrocks> oh
[09:36] <seb128> not even your ubuntu one
[09:36] <seb128> and those report use the emails to match uploads, etc
[09:37] <didrocks> let me change that
[09:37] <seb128> didrocks, if you have concerns about making your ubuntu email public try talking to rick about it
[09:38] <didrocks> no, I'm not, but you can't choose which emails to go public or not, it's all or nothing
[09:38] <didrocks> but no pb, publishing them
[09:38] <seb128> don't list emails you don't want public on launchpad then ;-)
[09:38] <seb128> didrocks, ok, thanks
[09:39] <didrocks> seb128: right, but as gmail was the one every alias was driven to :)
[09:39] <didrocks> seb128: I still have to take some time to configure some procmail settings. Will probably do that at UDS
[09:39] <didrocks> so that @ubuntu -> @canonical
[09:39] <seb128> you don't use a real email for those but an alias?
[09:40] <didrocks> @ubuntu is an alias, like my two @ubuntu-fr. It redirected to gmail
[09:40] <seb128> I see
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:47] <baptistemm> Hi there, I've a question about retracer, aren't they supposed to provide stackstrace with debug symbols ? when I see that http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33120745/ThreadStacktrace.txt all glib are incomplete
[09:47]  * pitti hugs chrisccoulson, good morning
[09:47] <baptistemm> hi chrisccoulson
[09:47] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson baptistemm
[09:48] <pitti> baptistemm: they are, but sometimmes they fail due to outdated libraries or just corrupted memory/bugs in gdb/etc.
[09:48]  * chrisccoulson hugs pitti
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 baptistemm
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, I'm not sure
[09:48] <seb128> I mean to investigate that today
[09:48] <baptistemm> ... so I end in asking user to install dbgsym repo and reproducing the bug
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, I've been looking to quite some crasher yesterday and didn't see one with glib symbols, I think the ddebs for it might be missing or broken
[09:49] <seb128> indeed
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glib2.0/
[09:49] <pitti> seems fine?
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, the 2.24 binaries are missing for the lib
[09:49] <pitti> oh, argh
[09:50] <baptistemm> :)
[09:50] <pitti> just libglib2.0-dev-dbgsym_2.24.0-0ubuntu1
[09:50] <seb128> yes...
[09:50] <baptistemm> yep
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, should I do a no change upload to get those back?
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: when was the last upload?
[09:50] <pitti> more than 7 days ago?
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, yes, like 3 weeks ago
[09:51] <pitti> ok, then we need a no-change upload
[09:51]  * seb128 wants ddebs in soyuz
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, ok, doing that
[09:51] <baptistemm> oh yeah would be great to have
[09:51]  * pitti hugs seb128
[09:52] <baptistemm> I'm happy to understand that issue
[09:52]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:52] <baptistemm> pitti, so retracer use ddebs as well
[09:52] <baptistemm> ?
[09:52] <seb128> yes
[09:52] <seb128> those are available for everything or should be available for everything
[09:52] <seb128> where -dbg are only built for some sources
[09:53] <baptistemm> is it possible to ask retracer to retrace a crash once the glib issue is fixed?
[09:53] <seb128> not if the crashdump has been cleaned
[09:53] <seb128> which retracers usually do after retracing
[10:01] <pitti> only if the retracing was successful
[10:01] <pitti> i. e. if the retracing result is not mostly just ??
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, uploaded
[10:08] <artnay> is there some other channel or some person who could help me with alpha1 and alpha2 images? I'm unable to find them anywhere.
[10:09] <seb128> artnay, try #ubuntu+1
[10:09] <seb128> pitti, I've uploaded a rhythmbox change to fix magnatune too if you could review that today, not sure if we need to ping about updates now or just wait for somebody to review
[10:10] <pitti> seb128: we regularly review the queue anyway, but will do
[10:10] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:28] <seb128> didrocks, hey, did you read the crash asac mentioned yesterday night around midnight european time there?
[10:29] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I'm no more using metacity but I can have a look later (on other stuff right now)
[10:29] <didrocks> so, it's basically metacity + accessibility enabled?
[10:29] <seb128> didrocks, would be nice if you could add it to your todolist yes
[10:29] <didrocks> sure, next on my list so :)
[10:29] <seb128> get a stacktrace maybe and look upstream if they know about it
[10:29] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[10:29] <didrocks> seb128: yw :)
[10:30] <didrocks> (assigned now that I'm listed :p)
[10:32] <seb128> ;-)
[10:35] <pitti> seb128: do you want to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus (for getting some routine), or shall I?
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, I can do that today
[10:35] <pitti> seb128: (please let me know if you want to, and I can do something from your plate in exchange)
[10:35] <seb128> I just need to go for some errands for half an hour but I will look to it when I'm back
[10:36] <seb128> pitti, I will do it, no need to exchange, my lucid list is pretty much on shape, nothing I want to get fixed that can't wait for the SRU rounds
[10:37] <seb128> ok
[10:37]  * seb128 away for a small half an hour
[10:40] <didrocks> see you seb128
[11:13] <seb128> back
[11:26] <didrocks> wb
[11:46] <seb128> dpm, pitti: when would be the right time to upload things which need a build with a launchpad translation export? ie shared-mime-info? today or early next week rather?
[11:46] <seb128> mvo, hey
[11:47] <mvo> hi
[11:47] <dpm> seb128, from the translators point of view, as late as possible. However, the NonLanguagePackDeadline was yesterday and translators are aware of this, so today would be ok too.
[11:47] <seb128> mvo, is that a bug?
[11:48] <seb128> mvo, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bug.png
[11:48] <seb128> mvo, should it have a navigation bar where there is 2 lines?
[11:49] <seb128> mvo, is there any info I can get you while it's in this state? I didn't try to touch it
[11:49] <seb128> dpm, thank you
[11:49] <mvo> seb128: that is a bug for sure, do you remember what you did, i.e. how to reproduce it?
[11:50] <seb128> mvo, I did select "installed softwares" and clicked on the details button for vino there which was one of the first in the list
[11:51] <seb128> /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/SimpleGtkbuilderApp.py:50: GtkWarning: gtk_container_add: assertion `GTK_IS_CONTAINER (container)' failed
[11:51] <seb128>   gtk.main()
[11:51] <seb128> mvo, ^ .xsession-errors has this warning if that's of any use
[11:51] <seb128> mvo, I doubt it will happen every time
[11:52] <seb128> mvo, can I play with it or do you need infos while it's in buggy state?
[11:52] <mvo> seb128: coould you please file a bug?
[11:52] <mvo> aha!
[11:52] <mvo> I can reproduce
[11:52] <mvo> cool
[11:52] <seb128> \o/
[11:52] <seb128> mvo, filing
[11:52] <mvo> thanks, you rock
[11:52]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[11:53] <seb128> mvo, bug #564042 in fact already registered
[11:53] <staz> seb128: is there a way to delete spam from bug report ?
[11:53] <seb128> staz, out of asking the launchpad team to edit the database no
[11:54] <staz> ok, the whole account should probable be blocked though
[11:55] <seb128> let #launchpad know about the issue maybe
[11:55] <seb128> I would just drop a comment there with a reference to the bug and comment
[11:56] <dpm> mvo, a couple of things: speaking of exporting translations, I was just about to file a bug report to export translations from LP for aptdaemon and rebuild it with those translations, so that the .policy file gets translated as well. I found bug 445603 already. Is it ok to reopen it, or shall I file a new one?
[12:06] <mvo> dpm: either is fine with me
[12:06] <dpm> ok, cool, I'll reopen it then
[12:08] <dpm> mvo, there's another thing. This is about bug 445603, which needs to create a template on build. It is low priority, but I thought that if you have to do a new upload, it might be an easy one to fix there as well. I manually uploaded an updated template, but any upload currently overwrites it, since the package sources include an outdated template
[12:09] <dpm> hmm, wrong bug number
[12:09] <dpm> it's bug 549106
[12:20] <asac> pwd
[12:20] <asac> oops
[12:21] <ogra>  /home/asac
[12:45] <seb128> pitti, I did a first update on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[12:46] <seb128> pitti, I don't think there is much to change out of bugs status right?
[12:46] <seb128> pitti, I did shuffle around and updated the fixed this week bugs, the triaged ones etc
[12:46] <seb128> pitti, how do you review the new RC bugs to add on the list?
[12:47] <seb128> pitti, also do you update OLS and Kubuntu or ask kenvandine and Riddell?
[12:47] <pitti> seb128: Ken/Jonathan usually update Kubuntu/OLS/DX
[12:48] <pitti> seb128: I also update the spec status; there was some movement on fonts reorg and we dropped OO.o 3.2.1 for final (considering for an SRU instead; upstream didn't release on time)
[12:48] <seb128> ok
[12:48] <seb128> kenvandine, Riddell: ^ could you please update the status for ols and kubuntu?
[12:49] <seb128> pitti, I was not sure about openoffice since previous week already had a note about dropping it to a sru but the spec was not changed
[12:49] <seb128> pitti, how do you track specs which changed? just because you are subscribed to all our specs and get emails?
[12:50] <seb128> or "just by being subscribed to"
[12:50] <seb128> rather ;-)
[12:50] <pitti> seb128: mostly that, but there's not much change any more; I often just ping people about an update, and click through the ones which are't already DONE/POSTPPONED to check their status
[12:50] <seb128> "#BETA: desktop-lucid-quickly, desktop-lucid-quickly-templates: Mostly enhancements "
[12:50] <seb128> will we still get changes there?
[12:51] <seb128> one spec is marked implemented and the other one beta available on launchpad
[12:51] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: as for "new bugs", I walk through https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?batch=300 and pick out the desktop-ish ones
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, should I set the openoffice one to dropped since it doesn't happen for lucid or just update the comment to say SRU?
[12:53] <didrocks> seb128: I'll mark the second one as implemented. I guess rick won't have the time to finish his remaining working. All mine should be closed, looking at that.
[12:53] <pitti> seb128: I think the latter; "in progress" seems appropriate to me
[12:53] <seb128> didrocks, ok thanks
[12:53] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks
[12:53] <pitti> seb128: some of the "Triaged problems (OLS working on them, but tracking for final):" are also fixed/invalidated
[12:53] <seb128> pitti, you said there was some font reog change?
[12:54] <seb128> pitti, right, I was not sure if kenvandine was updating those or if I should
[12:54] <seb128> pitti, 2 of those bugs have been closed a invalid, should they just be dropped of the wiki or moved to some "closed this week"?
[12:55] <pitti> seb128: fonts> right, that's currently in progress (bug 535582); some parts will be dropped, though; "In progress" seems appropriate
[12:55] <pitti> seb128: drop/close> either way; move it to "closed", that will look better :-P
[12:55] <seb128> ;-)
[12:55] <seb128> pitti, "#DROPPED: desktop-lucid-font-selection: Improve/review defaults "
[12:56] <seb128> it was dropped before that changed then?
[12:56] <pitti> it got a FFE
[12:56] <seb128> ok
[12:56]  * seb128 updates
[12:56]  * pitti -> door bell, lunch
[12:57] <didrocks> seb128: fixed
[12:58] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[12:58] <seb128> hum, lunch!
[12:58] <didrocks> yw
[12:59] <seb128> pitti, enjoy, lunch there too, I've updated the specs now and some of the OLS bugs, will continue and add new ones after lunch
[13:00] <pitti> seb128: enjoy!
[13:00] <seb128> pitti, thanks, you too ;-)
[13:12] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[13:29] <pitti> seb128: I bounced you the meeting invitation (just came in), this also has a list of bugs
[13:32] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks
[13:33] <pitti> seb128: oh, and the "overall status" could need some update; it should point out the WI status and the stuff that's burning and needs release attention
[13:33] <pitti> (I don't think that we have a lot right now, though)
[13:34] <seb128> pitti, ok, I figured the status didn't really change this week, still in bug fixing mode for lucid
[13:34] <pitti> seb128: just FYI, there's an ubuntuone-client in unapproved which fixes a ton of bugs, so hopefully a lot more are actually "fix available"
[13:34] <seb128> with WIs not changing a lot either since we are mostly done
[13:34] <pitti> seb128: right, we just dropped a WI; and the LP "bug expectancy" thing is in progress now
[13:34] <seb128> pitti, I was wondering what is going on with this one yes, some bugs were on fix available previous week and didn't move since
[13:34] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks, will update that
[13:54] <pitti> supermarket, back in ~ 30 mins
[13:55] <nigelb> pitti, thanks for syncing epiphany-extensions :)
[13:55] <pitti> np
[13:55] <nigelb> I was getting ready for FFE, etc today :)
[14:04] <didrocks> davmor2: are you sure bug #551860 isn't arch-specific? I don't reproduce it there on i386 :/
[14:06] <davmor2> didrocks: it wasn't for me I was on I386 it is une specific though I think
[14:06] <didrocks> davmor2: oh, on UNE only? let me see
[14:07] <didrocks> (I was on a GNOME session)
[14:07] <didrocks> not crashing as well :/
[14:07] <davmor2> didrocks: the original was on une/arm I was asked to confirm on I386
[14:08] <didrocks> davmor2: yeah, I saw that. I don't have arm device, hence the fact I try on i386
[14:08] <seb128> davmor2, can you open a bug using apport if you get a crash?
[14:08] <davmor2> didrocks: I can grab my netbook in a minute and see if it still happen but I need to do a couple of things first
[14:08] <didrocks> davmor2: what seb128 told ^ thanks :)
[14:08] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for looking into it
[14:08] <davmor2> will do didrocks seb128
[14:08] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[14:09] <seb128> pedro_, be ready for some flood in bug emails ;-)
[14:09] <didrocks> seb128: you're welcome :) (I guess if it was 100% reproduceable, we would have complains a long time ago)
[14:09] <seb128> pedro_, seems they fixed the GNOME bug watches updating
[14:09] <pedro_> seb128, hello, ok!
[14:09] <davmor2> didrocks: try grabbing hold of paul too should be online now he can confirm if it is still effecting arm
[14:09] <pedro_> seb128, really? WOW
[14:09] <seb128> didrocks, well not so many people activate a11y I guess
[14:09] <pedro_> seb128, i need to see that ;-)
[14:10]  * pedro_ looks for a helmet
[14:10] <didrocks> davmor2: sure, but I prefer to know first if it's still on i386 as I only have that kind of device. Easier for me if I can reproduce :)
[14:10] <davmor2> :)
[14:11] <seb128> pedro_, ;-)
[14:11] <seb128> pedro_, how are you otherwise?
[14:12] <pedro_> seb128, I'm great! thanks what about you? looking forward to UDS?
[14:12] <plars> didrocks: hi
[14:12] <seb128> pedro_, yes!
[14:12]  * pedro_ can't wait
[14:12] <seb128> pedro_, I'm good thanks ;-)
[14:14] <plars> didrocks: I can still reproduce it as of yesterday's image, I'll make sure everything is up to date this morning and try again.  And yes I will try to get a valid backtrace if so
[14:14] <plars> didrocks: sorry, still going through email this morning
[14:14] <plars> didrocks: do we know when/how it got fixed on x86?
[14:15] <didrocks> plars: hey, TBH, I think nothing changed there from yesterday. So, backtrace will be the solution. I tried several time on GNOME and UNE and got nothing.
[14:15] <didrocks> plars: I'm updating another box to see if I can reproduce
[14:16] <davmor2> didrocks: I still get it on I386.  Once assitive tech is enabled I can no longer log into the system
[14:17] <seb128> it works if you use compiz?
[14:17] <seb128> having the wm to crash should not make login break though
[14:17] <didrocks> davmor2: let me see, I had one box with last metacity, no issue. I'm upgrading the other components now
[14:18] <didrocks> (should take a couple of minutes)
[14:18] <davmor2> didrocks: I should say une i386
[14:18] <davmor2> this is on my actual netbook too
[14:18] <didrocks> davmor2: can you try the GNOME session, choosing it in GDM?
[14:18] <didrocks> and try with compiz as seb128 proposed
[14:18] <seb128> pedro_, btw I recommend closing the "sound is not working in rhythmbox or totem or whatever" on lucid with a "use ubuntu-bug audio" now
[14:18] <davmor2> didrocks: same thing
[14:19] <didrocks> davmor2: ok, and compiz?
[14:20] <davmor2> didrocks, sbe128: Is there a compiz version on une?
[14:20] <pedro_> seb128, make sense, will point users to ubuntu-bug for future bugs
[14:20] <didrocks> davmor2: it's not install by default, but you can still install it
[14:20] <didrocks> davmor2: TBH, it seems really strange if it's related to metacity only
[14:20] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:21] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3
[14:21] <rickspencer3> seb128, didrocks bonjour
[14:21] <davmor2> didrocks: do I just need to install compiz-gnome and it do the rest or other packages too?
[14:22] <didrocks> davmor2: compiz-gnome should be enough
[14:23] <didrocks> davmor2: compiz and compiz-gnome if you want to get the same experience than the desktop in fact
[14:25] <davmor2> didrocks: ta
[14:27] <davmor2> didrocks: with all installed I get the same thing I'll just reboot though, apply the work round and ensure that compiz is enabled and try again
[14:27] <didrocks> davmor2: that will help a lot, thanks :)
[14:29] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:29] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[14:29] <rickspencer3> keyboard working?
[14:29] <pitti> rickspencer3: do we have a wiki page about UDS planning? I'd like to put some SRU topic on there
[14:30] <seb128> pitti, there is a new glibmm and pangomm stable update with one bug fix + documentation changes... do we need a ffe or can we sync from debian who did the update?
[14:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: yes, I fixed it last night, but didn't investigate yet which package broke it
[14:30] <pitti> seb128: does it break FF?
[14:30] <pitti> i. e. are there new features/strings/etc.?
[14:30] <seb128> pitti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/BlueprintList
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, no, just api documentation update + 1 bug fixed as said
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: go ahead then
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, sorry the "e" in "ffe" was autofinger, I meant feature freeze request
[14:31] <seb128> grrrr, freaze break request
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, danke
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: that's the bp list; is it the UDS topic list, too?
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: I'll put it on there then
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, yes, that's our current list of topics for uds discussion and blueprints
[14:32] <pitti> seb128: I'd like to discuss extending the SRU policy for GNOME/KDE/OO.o point releases again
[14:32] <seb128> pitti, +1
[14:32] <seb128> I'm not sure we need much of an UDS discussion though
[14:33] <seb128> shouldn't rather be the TB to ack those?
[14:34] <seb128> "does everybody agree we should have stable bug fix updates from upstream going in lucid" -> yes, discussion done
[14:34] <seb128> or maybe raise the topic now to see if there is anybody who feels that needs discussion
[14:34] <davmor2> didrocks: still the same
[14:34] <seb128> and discuss it only if there is some concern
[14:34] <didrocks> davmor2: ok, with compiz? so, this is not metacity related?
[14:34] <pitti> okay
[14:35] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[14:36] <davmor2> didrocks: I enabled compiz via prefs/appearance that worked log out logged in okay.  I enabled asstive again and now it won't log in
[14:36] <didrocks> davmor2: ok, so it's not metacity related, do you have a crash file in /var/crash?
[14:36] <didrocks> plars: ^
[14:37] <seb128> pitti, I'm adding gtkmm to so .1 stable gnomemm updates if that's ok with you, it's only api documentation update
[14:37] <pitti> seb128: ack
[14:37] <seb128> danke
[14:37] <pitti> seb128: want me to add the status of the missing RC bugs of the meeting invitation? or do you want to?
[14:37] <plars> didrocks: I certainly don't use compiz here, it's an arm board, fb driver only
[14:37] <seb128> pitti, I do that right after doing those syncs
[14:37] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[14:38] <seb128> yw
[14:38] <pitti> the list looks good
[14:38] <didrocks> plars: just to show you it's not wm related as it happens also with compiz, a stacktrace will be good to know what is crashing
[14:38] <seb128> how is the session not starting?
[14:38] <didrocks> (my netbook is still updating)
[14:39] <davmor2> only gnome screensaver
[14:39] <davmor2> and I cleared it out
[14:40] <seb128> ?
[14:40] <plars> didrocks: ok, I just submitted it against metacity because I think that's what apport pointed at
[14:40] <plars> didrocks: updating now
[14:41] <davmor2> seb128: I had a whole heap of old ones in there relating to gwibber and desktop-couch, so I cleared out /var/crash and that is now the only crash file in the folder from a fresh attempt at logging in
[14:41] <didrocks> plars: didn't you have a crash file so that apport-retracer can give us a stacktrace?
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks, we don't have retracers on that arch I think
[14:42] <didrocks> seb128: oh? so apport is arch-selective for putting crash file? didn't know that
[14:42] <plars> didrocks: they don't always work, let me see again if I can get a .crash from it after the update, looks like a LOT of new packages to install since yesterday
[14:43] <plars> didrocks: retracer is quirky on arm
[14:43] <didrocks> ok, as builder :/
[14:45] <seb128> didrocks, it's not arch selective but we have only i386 and amd64 retracers running in the dc
[14:46] <davmor2> seb128, didrocks: as this gnome-screensaver is the only bug that has appeared trying to log in would you like me to upload it and give you the number so you can see if it is related?
[14:46] <seb128> didrocks, it's lot of work already to keep those running, we didn't set retracers for port architectures too
[14:46] <seb128> davmor2, could you describe what happens when you try to log in?
[14:47] <seb128> didrocks, you are welcome to set one up if you want though ;-)
[14:47] <davmor2> seb128: I can do a quick vid if that will help?
[14:47] <didrocks> seb128: :-)
[14:47] <seb128> davmor2, well video or describe there
[14:47] <seb128> it is stopping on en empty background?
[14:47] <seb128> didrocks, is that a no? ;-)
[14:48] <didrocks> seb128: I guess when I will have more time and that will be on high priority list :)
[14:48] <didrocks> (so, basically a "no") ;)
[14:48] <seb128> ;-)
[14:48] <davmor2> You get the login screen, you add username and password, you hit login.  It flashes a black tty looking screen and loops back around to the login screen again
[14:49] <seb128> can you get the .xsession-errors then?
[14:49] <seb128> not by logging again it would overwrite it
[14:49] <seb128> switch to a vt and copy it somewhere
[14:53] <seb128> pitti, so things like bug #538116 which are on Steve's email but closed in launchpad as invalid since, should they be on the wiki still?
[14:53] <pitti> seb128: yes, the ones on the invitation should be mentioned in any case
[14:53] <seb128> ok
[14:54] <davmor2> seb128, didrocks: http://pastebin.com/s0bMJhVP
[14:55] <davmor2> if there's anything else just ping need to do some stuff busy, bust
[14:55] <davmor2> busy even
[14:56] <seb128> davmor2, the log is clear that gnome-session crashes on an assert error
[14:56] <seb128> plars, ^
[14:57] <seb128> davmor2, is libgail-common installed?
[14:57] <seb128> plars, ^
[14:58] <davmor2> libgail is but libgail-common says No packages found matching libgail-common
[14:59] <seb128> davmor2, can you install it and see if it fixes the issue?
[15:00] <seb128> Riddell, hi
[15:00] <seb128> Riddell, do you know what is the status with bug #563769?
[15:00] <davmor2> seb128: fixed
[15:00] <seb128> davmor2, ok thanks
[15:00] <seb128> plars, didrocks: ^
[15:00] <seb128> I will upload a package with a depends on it
[15:00] <didrocks> seb128: sweet, thanks davmor2, plars
[15:01] <seb128> didrocks, thank you for testing the bug ;-)
[15:01] <plars> seb128: will try it here too, just rebooted
[15:01] <Riddell> seb128: nope, I'll take a look shortly
[15:01] <didrocks> seb128: well, kinda useless here… (just finished the upgrade)
[15:01] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[15:01] <davmor2> seb128: libgail18 is installed just not -common if that helps for deps
[15:02] <seb128> davmor2, it's clear than -common should be installed too so it's all good I will fix, thanks for raising the issue
[15:02] <seb128> Riddell, do you still edit the wiki?
[15:02] <seb128> Riddell, your lock expired some minutes ago does it mean I can edit it now? ;-)
[15:04] <Riddell> seb128: oh sorry, go ahead
[15:04] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[15:04] <plars> seb128, didrocks, davmor2: yep, fixes it for me too, thanks!
[15:04] <plars> mine just takes a bit longer to get there :)
[15:14] <plars> just out of curiosity, in the x86 world, is there a point during boot where you see a dark square in the middle of the splashscreen (where the mouse is about to show up) just before the desktop or gdm comes up?
[15:15]  * plars wonders if it's due to fb driver or something
[15:15] <plars> doesn't seem to happen every time either
[15:16] <seb128> plars, didn't see that here
[15:18] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: gwibber keeps popping up 7 or 8 broadcast account screens every few minutes (im guessing its what I have my refresh rate set to be), do you know about this already?
[15:19] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, oh.... that is because it needs you enter your pass
[15:20] <kenvandine> but it should only pop one up
[15:20] <kenvandine> humm
[15:20]  * kenvandine tries to reproduce
[15:20] <bcurtiswx3> it pops up multiple.. and it just doubled... lol
[15:20] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, does it hi-light any accounts?
[15:20] <bcurtiswx3> not that I could see
[15:21] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, gwibber 2.30.0.1?
[15:22] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: i just reentered the password and messed with the facebook account.. i'll see if that was it
[15:22] <kenvandine> ok, see what it does and either way file a bug for the multiple screens
[15:22] <seb128> pitti, wiki updated btw
[15:23] <kenvandine> i will try to repro it in a few
[15:23] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: OK, will do
[15:24] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[15:24] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, thx
[15:24] <bcurtiswx3> brb, trying to fix an xorg problem
[15:30] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: that did it, i had to delete my facebook and re-authorize though because although it said i was authorized, it was still highlighted red :-\
[15:30] <kenvandine> ok, please comment to that effect in the bug report
[15:35] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: using "report a problem" in gwibber doesn't use apport?
[15:35] <kenvandine> no... we should make it do that :)
[15:36] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: yeah, would be good.  Does it have an apport-hjook?
[15:36] <bcurtiswx3> apport-hook*
[15:37] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, no, but i should plan on doing that next cycle
[15:37] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: OK, lots of typing ahead :P
[15:37] <kenvandine> :)
[15:37] <kenvandine> sorry
[15:38] <nigelb> kenvandine, if you can give me the stuff it should collect, I can do that for you this cycle.. the apport hook :)
[15:42]  * bcurtiswx3 hugs nigelb
[15:42] <nigelb> bcurtiswx3, :)
[15:43] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: would the broadcast account window be more tied to gwibber-service than gwibber?
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, ok, I'm doing an at-spi upload to fix a RC bug, the diff.gz had documentation update cruft, so you want me to clean that or to let it?
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, ie I guess the clean target is buggy and building twice lead to have html changes in the diff.gz
[15:49] <pitti> sounds harmless
[15:49] <seb128> pitti, the RC is a missing depends, I was just pondering cleaning that or not
[15:49] <seb128> while I'm doing an update
[15:50] <seb128> pitti, ok, I'm uploaded with the fix + diff.gz cleaned
[15:50] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: bug #564741
[15:50] <seb128> let me know if that was wrong and I will do another upload with just the change
[15:50] <pitti> merci; I'll have  look
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, uploaded
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, it was the "Crash on login with accessibility enabled" on Steve's list, I already moved it to the fixed section of the wiki
[15:52] <pitti> sweet
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, if you approve it before meeting you will make me not lie ;-)
[15:52] <seb128> asac, I just uploaded a fix for the session crash with accessibility on issue, was a missing depends on libgail-common
[15:55] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, thx, and you confirmed that it doesn't happen again after you set the password's?
[15:56] <bcurtiswx3> kenvandine: yes, correct
[15:57] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, great, thx
[16:01] <seb128> pitti, I will watch how you deal with the meeting and maybe try play you next week?
[16:01] <pitti> seb128: sure; there's not a lot to know there, though; have the report ready, give a summary of the things that are relevant for the release, and answer questions
[16:01] <pitti> seb128: and these days it's mostly about "bugs"
[16:02] <pitti> seb128: during the devel cycle we talk about blueprints which are late/in jeopardy, or coordinating between DX/desktop etc.
[16:02] <seb128> surprising, no new feature to discuss? how boring ;-)
[16:02] <seb128> pitti, right, I've joining some and stepping for you a few times still making sure I don't miss some details
[16:03] <pitti> thanks
[16:03] <leftyfb> could someone tell me how to file an RT ticket? Not bug report. This is an internal issue not directly related to the ubuntu project.
[16:03] <leftyfb> I tried rt.ubuntu.com but I don't have an account.
[16:03] <pitti> seb128: most of the time you can actually do light work in parallel and just listen for interesting stuff
[16:03] <asac> seb128: great.
[16:04] <asac> seb128: will try to get someone verify that when it gets built :(
[16:04] <seb128> pitti, I'm doing that during our meetings too :p
[16:04] <pitti> ah, these are more "dense" for me and usually need my full attention
[16:04] <seb128> asac, plars verified that installing libgail-common fixes the issue
[16:04] <seb128> asac, I doubt I got the depends wrong but you can still get it checked
[16:05] <asac> no thats fine. thanks for the quick fix
[16:05] <seb128> np
[16:07] <nigelb> leftyfb, just mail rt@ubuntu.com?
[16:08] <leftyfb> nigelb: ok, i'll try that, thanks
[16:08] <nigelb> np :)
[16:18] <bcurtiswx3> so ubuntu one brings synchs gwibber account.. does it synch empathy accounts?
[16:19] <bcurtiswx3> -brings
[16:19] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx3, no :/
[16:19] <kenvandine> that would be cool though
[16:19] <bcurtiswx3> yeah, that and favourite chat rooms
[16:20] <asac> one thing that is really bad
[16:20] <asac> not sure if thats the default
[16:20] <asac> alt + left/right arrow key
[16:20] <asac> goes to console now
[16:20] <asac> thats the common shortcut to go back and forward in browser
[16:21] <asac> can we fix that for release (if its the default on fresh installs)
[16:21] <Nafai> good morning
[16:24] <bcurtiswx3> mornin nafai
[16:25] <pitti> hey Nafai
[16:26] <glatzor> hello mvo,
[16:26] <mvo> hey glatzor
[16:26] <mvo> thanks for your mail
[16:26] <glatzor> mvo, I improved it a lot
[16:27] <mvo> cool
[16:27] <glatzor> mvo, making use of apt_pkg.TagFile directly, only quering the new data from the cache and speeding up apt.cache.Cache.get_changes
[16:28] <mvo> glatzor: nice, that is going to make it rock for 3.0
[16:28] <mvo> in s-c
[16:28] <glatzor> mvo, do you think this is a good approach?
[16:28] <mvo> ideally we would do it inside libapt itself
[16:28] <mvo> but that is going to be a slippery slope
[16:28] <mvo> so I think for the time being it the best approach we have
[16:30] <glatzor> if the cache is already in memory the wohle prototype takes 1,3 seconds (loading the cache, marking installation, getting changes, creating new status file, reopening with new status file)
[16:30] <glatzor> mvo, a cold start takes 5,7 seconds
[16:30] <mvo> hm
[16:31] <glatzor> but if the cache is already it should be under a second
[16:31] <glatzor> so perhaps we should add a Ping command to aptdaemon to start it after s-c is started
[16:33] <glatzor> but in the end the package cache could be in the file cache already after s-c was started
[16:36] <seb128> Riddell, kmail just started using indicator 2 days ago in lucid, was that made on purpose? seems weeks and weeks late for a such change
[16:36] <Riddell> seb128: the patch got lost somewhere in the process when it was first written
[16:37] <seb128> Riddell, well, still it's adding a feature now?!
[16:37] <seb128> Riddell, seems weeks late, it got 0 testing and Aurelien says there are several bugs with it now
[16:37] <seb128> Riddell, I don't understand the logic to push the feature so late
[16:38] <pitti> Riddell: well, your call in the end, but we got tons of regressions with first indicator patches, so I'd recommend to postpone it
[16:40] <Riddell> seb128: it's had testing by Kubuntu users, but if there's problems on the Gnome side we can take it out
[16:40] <Riddell> what's the issues?
[16:41] <seb128> sec, I'm asking agateau to come there
[16:41] <seb128> hey agateau
[16:41] <seb128> agateau, can you explain how the kmail change is buggy right now?
[16:41] <seb128> agateau, just trying to understand where we stand
[16:41] <agateau> seb128: sure
[16:42] <agateau> when running on gnome,
[16:42] <agateau> there is no way to minimize/restore kmail from the indicator
[16:42] <agateau> on kde this is done with left click
[16:42] <agateau> and menu with right click
[16:42] <agateau> but there is no left/right click on gnome
[16:43] <agateau> additionally, one of the menu items is not filled properly
[16:43] <agateau> (I suspect a libdbusmenu bug)
[16:43] <agateau> it is supposed to list all checkable email accounts
[16:43] <agateau> but remains empty on gnome
[16:43] <seb128> without the change all that work on GNOME?
[16:43] <agateau> seb128: that's it
[16:43] <seb128> using the notification area?
[16:44] <agateau> yes
[16:44] <seb128> Riddell, ^ your call I guess as pitti said
[16:45] <Riddell> agateau: sounds like we should remove it then, unless you're terribly keen to fix it up last thing on a friday afternoon
[16:45] <seb128> Riddell, I'm just surprise that the port landed so late in lucid, we stopped migrating apps week ago in Ubuntu I though Kubuntu freezes were similar
[16:45] <seb128> Riddell, ted is busy with 2 bugs to fix on the GNOME side for lucid and they sprint next week I think
[16:45] <agateau> Riddell: I think we should remove it as well
[16:45] <seb128> Riddell, I doubt he will look at those new issues
[16:46] <agateau> seb128: the minimize/restore issue does not concern ted anyway
[16:46] <pitti> asac: n-l-2d still crashes in kvm on current daily :(
[16:46] <Riddell> seb128: the patch has been around for a while but for whatever reason was never applied to the package, probably my failure
[16:46] <seb128> agateau, the accounts not being listed do though
[16:46] <agateau> seb128: yes
[16:47] <seb128> Riddell, ok, your call but I would +1 to postpone to next cycle now if it has issues I think
[16:47] <seb128> Riddell, agateau: thanks
[16:47] <Riddell> seb128: this highlights our cross desktop QA as being poor though, I always test on KDE but not gnome and I suspect kenvandine is similar (e.g. when I tested ubuntu one music shop it had lots of non-gnome specific issues that should have been obvious)
[16:48] <kenvandine> Riddell, indeed
[16:48] <Riddell> something to look at during UDS I wonder
[16:49] <kenvandine> same thing happened when they initially release ubuntuone-client
[16:49] <kenvandine> completely busted on kde
[16:50] <seb128> Riddell, no doubt we could do better there
[16:50] <seb128> Riddell, something to raise with the qa team probably too
[16:51] <seb128> Riddell, see if they can help us doing some cross desktop testing coverage
[16:51] <seb128> + trying to have team member to do some too
[16:52] <seb128> though everybody tends to be busy and I can see that we will not always have time to test everything on both desktops
[16:53] <asac> pitti: how are you trying to launch it?
[16:54] <pitti> asac: just boot current netbook in kvm
[16:54]  * asac hasnt run it on kvm
[16:54] <pitti> I can probably run it on real iron and kill n-l and manually run n-l-2d somehow, I figure
[16:54] <asac> pitti: how to you force the fallback?
[16:54] <asac> pitti: you need to get rid for 3d somehow ... then it should auto start
[16:54] <mvo> glatzor: btw, getting session installer for 10.10 would rock, maybe we can get help with that somehow?
[16:55] <pitti> asac: or that; chmod 0 the binary and logout and back in, that should work indeed
[16:55] <asac> oh. would be interesteing if the fallback is implemented robust enough for that.
[16:55] <asac> didrocks: ?
[16:56] <pitti> kenvandine: did you see dpm's followup on the string freeze? can we reupload without the string change, to get the RC bugs fixed?
[16:56] <pitti> kenvandine: then this can go in and get tested over the weekend, and we deal with the string change later on/in maverick
[16:56] <didrocks> asac: it detect if we use "software rendered" in glx
[16:56] <didrocks> asac: nothing to enforce fallback, as you have the 2D session
[16:56] <asac> didrocks: right. but can we just chmod 0 the binary instead?
[16:57] <asac> (like pitti suggested above)
[16:57] <pitti> well, then one could chmod 0 the glx extension binary and restart the session :)
[16:57] <didrocks> asac: no, it's in the n-l binary that the switch is done
[16:57] <asac> right. thanks for confirming
[16:57] <asac> heh
[16:58] <kenvandine> pitti, they are discussing it
[17:16] <seb128> dpm, hey
[17:17] <seb128> dpm, do you know what is the wikipage which has the list if source which don't use language packs in ubuntu?
[17:18] <dpm> seb128, actually, I was updating it today :) -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[17:18] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[17:18] <dpm> no worries, it's linked from the main release schedule page
[17:18] <seb128> dpm, checking what I need to upload with translation exports
[17:20] <dpm> seb128, ah, cool. Note that we've tried to make an exhaustive list, which has become quite long. If it's not possible to export everything, feel free to do only what you think it's most visible. I tried to order the table by priority earlier on, but I got caught with something else
[17:21] <seb128> dpm, are the .policy visible somewhere?
[17:22] <dpm> seb128, the one I know of to be very visible is the one from aptdaemon, which is shown every time you want to install a new package. I'm not sure about the other ones, but I seem to remember I've seen the odd one or two
[17:22] <seb128> dpm, ok, I guess there are displayed in the polkit dialog which ask your password to do something
[17:23] <dpm> yeah, I guess so as well
[17:23] <seb128> dpm, I'm doing xdg-user-dirs and yelp to start with now
[17:24] <dpm> seb128, ah, cool, yeah, the yelp one is also one of the very visible ones
[17:28] <dpm> pitti, kenvandine, I've just been talking to Chipaca about the ubuntuone-client string freeze break. I've recommended him what I was mentioning in the bug: separate the bug fixes from the string changes and upload. He was very keen on the string changes, so I'll ask translators what they think, to see if it would be possible to do a subsequent upload with the string changes, but I've already warn him that translators will most probably say no (my gut
[17:28] <dpm> feeling)
[17:28] <pitti> dpm: with a separate upload we could at least accept and test the RC bug fixes without further contention
[17:28] <pitti> otherwise we risk not having fixes for those as well in final
[17:28] <dpm> yeah
[17:37]  * pitti needs to run now, have a nice weekend everyone!
[17:38] <Nafai> later pitti
[17:40] <seb128> pitti, thanks, you too!
[17:42] <didrocks> enjoy your week-end pitti
[17:48] <kenvandine> dpm, thx
[17:49] <dpm> no worries
[17:49] <dpm> pitti, enjoy the weekend!
[18:01] <rickspencer3> seb128, so is it okay if I send out that schedule to canonical-desktop-team, and ask folks to get their blueprints in by Tuesday?
[18:12] <rickspencer3> too late
[18:12]  * rickspencer3 evil laugh
[18:13] <seb128> re
[18:13] <seb128> rickspencer3, oh please don't ;-)
[18:13] <rickspencer3> mwuhahhaha
[18:13] <seb128> rickspencer3, jk, thanks for sending the note about it ;-)
[18:14] <rickspencer3> seb128, the problem is now *I* have to register *my* blueprints :/
[18:14] <rickspencer3> seb128, also, I noted there that I won't be around next Tuesday
[18:14] <rickspencer3> so the meeting will be yours
[18:15] <kenvandine> seb128, if i am reverting a string change in an upload that is sitting in the unapproved queue, can i reuse the same version number?
[18:15] <kenvandine> like get them to reject it and upload again?
[18:15] <seb128> rickspencer3, oh? traveling to lucid sprint?
[18:15] <seb128> kenvandine, you can use the same version just slangasek know to accept the newest upload
[18:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh no, please, save us! ;)
[18:16] <kenvandine> seb128, thought so, thx!
[18:16]  * didrocks thinks that after this joke, I'll have probably to change my room at UDS :-)
[18:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, no, I am going to portland to meet with a partner
[18:18] <seb128> oh ok
[18:18] <seb128> no lucid sprint or you are not joining or it's later?
[18:23] <Nafai> lunching
[18:46]  * kenvandine is going to need to review his procmail rules... somehow rickspencer3's email ended up in my launchpad folder
[18:46] <jcastro> kenvandine, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek I've penciled you in for a session, lmk if this works for you.
[18:46] <kenvandine> jcastro, ok
[18:46] <jcastro> rickspencer3, also your desktop Q+A is scheduled, lmk if that works for you
[18:46]  * rickspencer3 looks
[18:46] <jcastro> also we have a few slots left open so if anyone wants to do any sessions for people lmk
[18:46] <jcastro> we can always add more slots!
[18:46] <jcastro> We're looking to do a Inkscape tutorial this time!
[18:47] <nigelb> lmk?
[18:48] <rickspencer3> jcastro, sure, I'll be at the design sprint then
[18:48] <rickspencer3> but it's in the evening, so should work well
[18:49] <rickspencer3> jcastro, can I ask you a favor? Could you plan some questions before hand, since probably no one will be there?
[18:49] <rickspencer3> I hate sitting in #ubuntu-classroom listening to crickets chirp ;)
[18:51] <nigelb> rickspencer3, its the open week.  there'll be plenty of questions
[18:51] <rickspencer3> we'll see ;)
[18:51] <nigelb> rickspencer3, we folks will be around to ask anyway (since I want you to ask in my session :D)
[18:51] <rickspencer3> nigelb, you don't have to wait for a session to ask a question
[18:51] <rickspencer3> :)
[18:52] <nigelb> rickspencer3, I'm only going to ask so that you dont sit in a corner and cry :P
[18:52] <jcastro> rickspencer3, I'll have some nice controversial ones saved up. :D
[18:52] <rickspencer3> thanks nigelb, that means a lot to me
[18:52] <rickspencer3> :)
[18:52]  * rickspencer3 wipes tear from corner of eye
[18:53] <nigelb> hehe
[18:53]  * didrocks calls it a week (again) ;)
[18:53] <didrocks> enjoy your week-end everybody!
[18:53] <kenvandine> you too didrocks
[18:54] <rickspencer3> bye didrocks
[18:54] <rickspencer3> Nafai, hey, so what's up with the BT bug?
[18:54] <rickspencer3> did you get a minimal repro working?
[18:55] <seb128_> didrocks, thanks, you too!
[19:08] <rickspencer3> lunch -> gym
[19:08] <rickspencer3> bbl
[20:05] <qense> Why does the helper.py file in Quickly has 'make_window' in its __all__ dictionary?
[20:06] <qense> Isn't that a bug? The only function in there is get_builder()
[20:16] <JanC> I guess you mean helpers.py ?
[20:34] <kenvandine> jcastro, you can mark my openweek session as committed :)
[20:34] <jcastro> woo
[20:54] <dobey> kenvandine: hey. we're good then? i don't see the new ubuntuone-client yet... is it just waiting for slangasek or someone to pop it through?
[20:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:54] <dobey> cool, thanks :)
[20:54] <kenvandine> np
[21:34] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, trial!
[21:35] <rickspencer3> is there another way?
[21:35] <kenvandine> dunno
[21:35] <kenvandine> i am just collecting feedback, see what people like
[21:39] <Nafai> Hey rickspencer3.  Sorry, I was traveling over to a friend's house to work for the afternoon
[21:39] <rickspencer3> ok
[21:40] <rickspencer3> Nafai so did you work on the minimal test case, or get any more info?
[21:41] <Nafai> I ended up taking a different route temporarily, finally figured out how to print out the menu structure within the BT applet, which confirmed that it is setting up what I imagine.
[21:41] <Nafai> Now I'm going to work on the minimal test case and what I don't get done didrocks is going to help me with on Monday
[21:41] <Nafai> He's been really helpful
[21:42] <Nafai> Actually, if there are any gtk/gobject gurus around, is there an easy way (in C) to figure out what type an object was created as?
[21:45] <rickspencer3> Nafai bratsche is the one of the people I think of when I think of "gtk" and "guru"
[21:45] <rickspencer3> I'm sure he would talk to you about it if he's around
[21:46] <rickspencer3> bbiab
[21:46] <Nafai> Sure
[22:21] <Nafai> rickspencer3: Is it safe to assume that you and didrocks will be registering the blueprints that I will be contributing to?
[22:22] <rickspencer3> Nafai, yeah, I'll be assigning you blueprints ;)
[22:22] <Nafai> sounds good
[22:22] <rickspencer3> you'll be on the UNE ones and the quickly ones
[22:23]  * Nafai nods
[23:15] <Nafai> brb, running to get food
[23:50] <Nafai> back
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> hey Nafai
[23:51] <Nafai> Hey chrisccoulson