=== humphreybc changed the topic of #ubuntu-manual to: Ubuntu Manual Project discussion | STRING FREEZE in effect | Meetings this weekend! http://tinyurl.com/y9nqh8t | Website: http://ubuntu-manual.org | Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual | IRC logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Code of Conduct: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [03:39] MEETINGS THIS WEEKEND! http://tinyurl.com/y9nqh8t [04:02] humphreybc: yay [04:14] lol [04:15] godbyk, anything you want to add to the agenda? [04:15] hmm.. lemme think about it for a while. (in the midst of banging out some other latex code at the moment.) [04:15] kk [04:17] have we lost some momentum? [04:17] slash all momentum? [04:21] some, probably. [04:21] hm [04:21] i am going to hope we get some of that back after this release [04:22] though everyone's free to start jamming on the second edition, they're probably waiting for us to define some parameters there. what's the second edition for? what goes in it? how does it differ from the first edition? etc. [04:22] btw, i mentioned in the interview with FCM magazine that we're aiming for 10,000 downloads on the first day and Robin said "I wouldn't be surprised if you get more than that... I hope your web admin is prepared!" [04:22] yeah well we should talk about that at the meeting [04:22] cool. [04:23] if we get 10,000 downloads on the 29th alone i'll be chuffed [04:23] I'm hoping daker gets the site ready soon so we can get that in place. [04:23] yeah [04:23] how are we going to "launch" the site? [04:24] quietly. :) [04:24] my original plan was to have a real simple countdown right up till the 28th [04:24] and then BANG an awesome site goes up, to much hype [04:24] heh. [04:24] but then when the site was being developed, it was looking so good and was proving to be quite useful so we just chucked it up there anyway [04:25] I think we should have everything in place with the new site and have the countdown page as the home page. [04:25] then when the countdown hits 0 (or nearly so), we'll flip the home page over to the real homepage, show the download links, etc. [04:25] oh yeah [04:25] yeah that's a good idea [04:25] let's do that :) [04:25] we should really make sure that all the stuff from the wiki that we care about is on the new site. [04:26] indeed [04:26] then start just redirecting from the wiki to the new site. [04:26] i'm pretty sure most of it it [04:26] is* [04:26] (right now I'm having to update the quickshot iso image link on the wiki as well as the new site, for instance.) [04:27] indeed [04:27] we'll get rid of the wiki soon [04:27] well [04:27] not get rid of it but just have a big phat link on the main wiki page saying GO HERE [04:28] right [04:28] and slowly everyone will point to our site [04:28] but this relies on you not dying [04:28] heh [04:28] cos if you do, we're screwed [04:28] I'll do my best. :) [04:29] we should probably look into sorting out some way of getting a team server [04:29] well, the hosting bill is paid up for a few months.. that and the cron script should keep you in business for a little while. :-P [04:29] probably the best bet is for us to ask Canonical for some server space after release [04:29] :P [04:29] how do most projects handle hosting? [04:30] no idea [04:30] they use wikis and launchpad [04:30] most projects don't have flashy websites [04:30] (those that do probably just have it set up like us, someone in the project provides some space [04:30] ) [04:30] like Gnome DO is hosted on "Daves" website [04:30] http://do.davebsd.com/ [04:31] we could start asking for donations [04:31] (or slap like $1 profit on top of each book sold through lulu.com just to pay for hosting) [04:31] I'd rather not do that thoug [04:31] though* [04:31] yeah, I'd prefer to avoid it, too. [04:31] We want the lulu.com books to be as cheap as possible so it's accessible [04:32] we'll judge the situation after the main release when the manual is in widescale use [04:32] sure [04:32] if everyone seems to like it then we can perhaps set up a donations thing [04:32] (and them spam Mark for donations) [05:23] godbyk: did you get my email with the final list of credits? [05:23] humphreybc: yeah, I haven't looked at them yet, though. [05:24] kk [05:24] have you got a photo of yourself btw? [05:24] or do you not want one? [05:25] nah, I don't think I have any good photos handy. sorry. [05:30] ok [05:30] you're missing out! [05:32] Red_HamsterX, vish, photos? [05:32] Still need Red_HamsterX and titeuf [05:54] humphreybc: fotos? .. [05:55] ya [05:55] i need a picture of you [06:33] right i've pretty much finished the "surprise" [06:35] cool [06:47] it's just uploading to youtube, i'm off to work [06:47] i'll be back in 6 hours [06:48] (it's set to private at the moment [06:48] we can probably embed it into the website ourselves, or if that doesn't work we can always just embed the youtube one... but youtube might remove the video due to the music violating copyrights [06:48] we'll see [11:37] o/ [11:37] bloody hell [11:37] my laptop is on its last legs :( [12:06] hello o/ [12:06] hi ubuntujenkins [12:06] * ubuntujenkins is back at university \o/ [12:06] hello dutchie are you awake :P [12:09] just about [12:09] bit of a headache [12:11] : / [12:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKoMFw8nUI [12:56] thorwil, you may not be able to view the video - apparently it's blocked in Germany due to a copyright with the music [12:57] humphreybc: could you not have found any CC music? [12:57] brutal painfull death and an eternity in hell with eyeball eating worms for those responsible at Sony Music Entertainment, scum of the earth ;) [12:57] heh [12:58] dutchie, no it *had* to be the Dave Matthews Band [12:58] but that doesn't matter too much because we'll host it on our own server on our site [12:58] I think we should make some attempt at getting copyright clearance [12:59] I can try i suppose [12:59] I'll email Dave :) [13:01] anyway what do you think of the video? it's a shame some of the pictures have weird purple lines on the right [13:15] humphreybc: I was wondering why you hadn't mugged me yet [13:15] hmm? [13:16] i am in the video, but was wondering what had happend to the mug shots :P [13:17] I don't know who most of the people are. [13:17] oh right [13:17] haha [13:17] what do you think of the video? [13:18] it's not particularly fancy, I *am* using Linux after all [13:18] meow [13:18] popey: woof! [13:18] :) [13:18] what's up? [13:18] its good, i only recognise three people. [13:18] onik [13:18] ubuntujenkins: hehe well, that's probably cos you don't see their faces that much in IRC :P [13:18] make that four people [13:19] irc would be less popular with faces, perhaps [13:19] lol [13:19] * popey shudders [13:19] maybe it's time we had an irc client that had the same graphical look of gwibber [13:20] with avatars [13:20] MS Comic Chat! [13:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat [13:21] wow. don't imagine that combined with hentai [13:21] sometimes we get the odd person join irc with that client [13:21] its mental [13:22] not long till uds now humphreybc :) [13:22] my train is booked :) [13:22] popey: I know! I saw on Twitter :) [13:22] have you been to NZ before Alan? [13:22] no [13:22] (MS Comic Chat is awesome) [13:22] never been further south than Maldives [13:22] okay, good [13:22] I have a present for ye [13:23] uh-oh [13:23] train - the save option in eruptive times [13:23] thorwil: you're heading to UDS too, right? [13:23] humphreybc: no [13:24] awh why not? [13:24] work? play? don't want to see me? [13:24] humphreybc: there was a single session in dallas where i actually had something to contribute. i was often bored to near death, out of body experiences [13:25] ah okay [13:25] well i spose that's fair enough then :) [13:26] humphreybc: it could be different with a real design track, but there was no looking at the program before sponsorship deadline ... [13:26] indeed, there is a real design track for UDS-M [13:27] popey: I'm bringing MPT some Marmite haha [13:27] humphreybc: You know we have marmite in the UK? [13:27] he requested it [13:27] heh [13:27] nutter [13:27] so i dunno? maybe it's different... [13:28] not vegimite? [13:28] we have that too, but not as common [13:28] i'll confirm but i'm pretty sure he said marmite [13:28] i'll ask him now [13:28] http://twitter.com/jshholland/status/12266062529 # cough [13:28] seen Marmite XO? [13:28] yeah i saw that josh, chose not to reply :P [13:28] http://www.marmiteshop.co.uk/ [13:29] popey: is that the one where they f**k with the original ingredients? [13:29] I was surprised mpt didn't ask for Vogels or Hellers sausages [13:29] (There are all these TV ads in NZ that have kiwis living in the UK trying to smuggle bread through customs and stuff) [13:30] popey: that website concerns me. What is an everyday product in NZ seems to be rather famous overseas! ("We ship it worldwide!") [13:30] fridge magnets? art? kitchenware? LOL [13:30] yeah, marmite is every day over here too [13:31] humphreybc: I think in this case overseas == US [13:31] but it's kinda famous [13:31] yeah, i know yanks find it hard to get [13:31] get as in obtain [13:31] lol [13:32] (21:31:49) humphreybc: hey, do you want anything from NZ? [13:32] (21:32:15) mpt: ooh, thanks for asking [13:32] (21:32:19) mpt: A jar of Marmite [13:32] (21:32:29) humphreybc: heh, okay, will be done [13:32] (21:32:34) mpt: thank you [13:33] so i dunno! haha [13:33] perhaps us Kiwis put some special sauce in it or something [13:33] what a nutter [13:33] REAL All Blacks sweat [13:34] the tears of hobbits [13:34] while we're on this subject, any requests for stuff from the other side of the world? [13:34] Lord of the Rings figurines? [13:34] Penguins? [13:34] Peter Jackson himself? [13:34] my aussie friend is rumoured to have inserted a stick of dynamite into a penguin [13:34] (Such a small country, I have him on speed dial) [13:35] same guy who is to blame for this nick, as it happens [13:37] O.o [13:50] ubuntujenkins, you want something to do? [13:50] humphreybc: may be, what do you want doing? [13:51] I need images, lots of images that are at least 800x800 px... they need to have *anything* to do with the manual project [13:51] like, anything [13:51] so it can be photos of people, screenshots of blog posts about us, screenshots of the manual itself, mockups, icons, diagrams, random books, ubuntu logos and artwork, wallpapers etc etc [13:52] anything that has anything remotely to do with us [13:52] start hunting for stuff on google images (i'm not too worried about licensing) and paste some links :) [13:52] kk i have 5 mins before squash [13:52] go hard! [13:53] cool, squash [13:53] remember, at least 800 px is good [13:53] found this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tools.png [13:53] http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S3k8qj7yIWI/AAAAAAAAFyw/BZsvgoyI2WY/s400/Selection_002.png&imgrefurl=http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/ubuntu-manual-alpha-released-gets-new.html&usg=__5bw8fhdkFqYxlcW7VENFr73uZjw=&h=400&w=309&sz=56&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=ssNAyo7MxcC4BM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dubuntu%2Bmanual%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Dis [13:53] ch:1 [13:53] nice url [13:53] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S3k8qj7yIWI/AAAAAAAAFyw/BZsvgoyI2WY/s1600-h/Selection_002.png [13:54] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1PykOXo2c5I/S7LYVSxC6OI/AAAAAAAAALc/3O3eJtU81zs/s1600/quickshot-reflection.png [13:54] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots [13:54] http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntumanualsurvey-large_001.jpg [13:54] http://lh6.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S1xeLbCIpKI/AAAAAAAAFfM/K431dJ_u-V8/covers_thumb[6].jpg [13:55] http://lh6.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S1xjlI-ph-I/AAAAAAAAFfY/orxyoOGoRgY/s1600-h/image[6].png [13:55] http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2767/4458437325_666d3e632a.jpg [13:55] http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4459217428_311c01d0a3.jpg [13:56] http://humphreybc.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/branding-large.png [13:57] http://humphreybc.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/icon192.png?w=192&h=192 [13:57] paste spam, paste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spampaste spam [13:58] most of these are from humphreybc's blog or our wesite [13:58] lol ok [13:58] ooo ubuntu-manual.org is 4th in a google for ubuntu manual [13:59] be back in a while [14:01] we need to be numero 1! [14:02] * dutchie will get the creative blogging juices going [14:02] * popey gets a mop [14:49] * humphreybc is making the best ad [15:03] popey: [15:03] (00:28:22) humphreybc: you wanted Marmite from NZ, right? [15:03] (01:51:56) mpt: yes [15:03] (01:52:31) humphreybc: okay, something special about NZ marmite? popey reckons they sell it in the UK (I'm just curious) [15:03] (01:52:44) mpt: UK Marmite is garbage [15:03] (01:52:48) mpt: It's a liquid, not a solid [15:03] (01:52:55) mpt: and it's brown rather than black [15:03] (01:52:56) humphreybc: a liquid? what the! [15:03] (01:53:00) mpt: I know, right? [15:03] (01:53:05) humphreybc: crazy! [15:05] OPEN SHOT IS GAY [15:07] humphreybc: not much reckoning needs to be done, you can definitely get it here [15:09] haha [15:09] dang it open shot just ruined my entire concept for an advertisement for UMP because it can't render images at less than 1 second each, even though it lets you insert them with a duration of less than a second... grr!! [15:09] humphreybc: its not liquid [15:09] its runnyier but not runny [15:09] lol [15:09] you'll have to bring some to UDS so I can judge [15:10] I have marmite on my toast every day [15:10] it's probably about syrup consistency [15:10] maybe a bit less viscous [15:12] humphreybc: Do you keep yours in the fridge? [15:12] nope, no one does [15:12] ok [15:12] wondered if you guys did and that might be why it was more solid [15:12] yeah [15:12] nz one has the consistency of nutella? [15:12] roughly [15:13] thats the same as vegemite i think [15:13] you'll get to see it first hand at UDS... i'm sure mpt will have it on his toast for breakfast [15:13] :D [15:13] would you like me to bring a pot from the uk so you can witness the rankness? [15:14] yes, do! [15:14] /topic Marmite dicussion [15:14] I can just picture us all sitting at a table looking in each others' marmite jars and comparing notes [15:14] haha [15:15] * humphreybc managed to work around open shot's annoyingness, final product isn't as good as I would have liked but I'll upload anyway [15:15] marmite unites the world! [15:15] haha [15:15] I thought Ubuntu unites the world? :P [15:15] i used blender to make a video with short cuts [15:15] worked well [15:15] I hate to say it, but I'm indifferent to marmite [15:15] dutchie: Get. Out. [15:15] :P [15:16] I don't understand how people cna put so much on [15:16] I spread mine thinly across marg/butter [15:16] it's quite a strong substance [15:16] and i prefer to be able to taste the bread :P [15:16] do you folks have worcester sauce down there? [15:16] yup! [15:16] and HP sauce [15:17] * dutchie lives about 300m from the factory [15:18] * humphreybc lives about 2km from a speights brewery and a cadbury factory? [15:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6PWEGb9o6c [15:21] LOL best site ever [15:21] http://yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm [15:23] what do we think of my advertisement for UMP? [15:31] the original cadbury's is <40 mins from me [15:32] UMP = UnliMited Possibilities! [15:43] dutchie: do you like the ad? [15:44] that music did not help my headache [15:44] lol [15:44] apart from that? [15:45] pretty cool [15:45] :D [15:45] I think a few of the photos missed the beat [15:45] yeah, that's open shot's fault [15:45] a bad workman [15:45] I had it timed perfectly in open shot itself [15:45] but when it renders it, it's all out of sync [15:45] sigh [16:24] humphreybc: I have just updated the manual screenshots in lucid-e1 [16:25] neat [16:25] i'm off to bed [16:25] night! [16:25] night [16:25] 0/ [16:25] o/ [18:08] hello titeuf_87 how are you? [18:08] Hey ubuntujenkins! [18:09] I've been really busy lately. [18:09] no problem, are you able to make the meeting? [18:10] Yeah, I should be around for it. [18:10] Have a little bit of spare time again now. [18:10] ooh [18:10] I may be late [18:10] cool, I am not sure on the format/how to do the meeting [18:10] dutchie: for the quickshot one or manual one [18:10] the manual one i think [18:11] oh no, it's fine [18:12] Oh wait, just checked. [18:12] thought it was tonight [18:12] The quickshot meeting is on Sunday and the manual one Saturday right? [18:12] * dutchie is going for a cultural outing to the theatre tonight [18:12] yes titeuf_87 [18:13] Bleh, I can't stay up late on Sunday, have to get up early Monday. [18:13] Have to run now, back in a little bit. [18:14] ok see you in bit [18:29] And back now. [18:37] hello agian titeuf_87 If you can make some of the quickshot meeting that would be good its 8.00pm utc :-) [18:39] I'll try to stay for the first half hour, hopefully I won't be too tired then. [18:40] thanks you we will cover the client first anyway [18:41] Ok :) [18:42] Were there still any big bugs with Quickshot? Or was it usable for most screenshots? [18:43] there is still the one where some screenshots were uploaded labled wrong [18:44] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/556532 [18:44] Launchpad bug 556532 in quickshot "screenshots don't have the correct language code" [Undecided,New] [19:01] Hey ubuntujenkins, do you have the link to the python bug that you commented in that bug? [19:02] titeuf_87: http://bugs.python.org/issue8374 [19:07] Ah that was interesting. Thanks! [19:08] That's the only language that gives issues right? [19:19] titeuf_87: as far ai i know [19:19] *as [19:22] Ah ok. And is the language present in the manual? I know Dutch is, but then nl_NL should be used instead of nl_AW. [19:24] nl_AW isn't in the manual i fixed the not detecting the langauge code issue using os.system as a fall back [19:33] godbyk: ping [19:44] * ubuntujenkins has now approved every screenshot so far \o/ [19:48] now to tidy my room :/ [19:53] Hey, can someone update all web translations, we want to see how they looks on the pages. [19:56] komsas: I will ask daker to do so when he is on next [19:56] ubuntujenkins: thank you [19:56] no problem [22:11] ubuntujenkins: pong [22:11] hello, one moment whiclt i find it [22:11] k [22:12] can you please remove 03-autoeth@he@1270586575.png and 03-autoeth@he@1270376143.png please [22:21] ubuntujenkins: done [22:22] thanks, all the aproved screenshots are in their branches [22:23] cool [22:23] godbyk: if you see daker before i do can you ask him to update the test.ubuntu-manual.org webiste with the translations. [22:23] sure. [22:24] :-) [22:24] I might be able to do that. I need to update the manual translations anyway. [22:24] (I never bother with the site translations because they're in a different format.) [22:24] cool, the translators will be pleased they want to see their work in the website [22:25] I don't blame them. It's always nice to see how your work is being used in practice. [22:26] I completly understand too [22:40] godbyk: good news, now that i am at uni the cd uploads take about 25 mins [22:40] ubuntujenkins: awesome! :) [22:40] \o/ four hours is painful [22:41] ubuntujenkins: strangely, there are more translations in the current website than what launchpad sent me. [22:41] oh, maybe not. [22:41] some of them are empty dirs. [22:42] removed the empty dirs. [22:42] that's better. [22:42] now there are more translations in the update. [22:42] :-) [22:42] crap.. have to rename the files to remove the prefix that launchpad adds. [22:42] grr.. [22:43] one line script ! [22:43] yep! [22:44] though this one will be a bit scarier. [22:51] ubuntujenkins: didn't turn out too bad: [22:51] for L in *; do [22:51] if [ -d "$L" ]; then [22:51] mv "$L/LC_MESSAGES/ubu_man_website_translations.mo" "$L/LC_MESSAGES/$L.mo" [22:51] fi [22:51] done [22:52] :-) you are good at those scripts [22:54] chalk it up to laziness and practice. :) [22:57] ubuntujenkins: I think the website translations should be online now, if you want to test 'em out. [22:58] * ubuntujenkins looks [22:59] works here [23:00] komsas: the translations for the website should work now, thanks to godbyk [23:00] godbyk: thank you :) [23:00] komsas: no problem. [23:01] I've also just finished updating http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/. [23:01] * ubuntujenkins starts fixing errors [23:02] which branch are they in [23:02] ? [23:02] that's the lucid-1e branch [23:02] which translation are you looking at, ubuntujenkins? [23:02] don't know yet i usualy start at the lowest and TRY and spot the errors [23:04] I'll try to take a look at the errors today, too. [23:04] Sometimes they're just bugs in the translations and sometimes it's because I haven't done my part yet. [23:04] (For instance, the Afrikaans translation doesn't have the required LaTeX code yet. I haven't been in touch with those translators yet.) [23:05] But first, food. /me hungry! [23:05] brb [23:11] hello Daker [23:11] hello @all [23:14]