[00:10] <Myrtti> !pm > ert
[00:10]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[00:24] <Tm_T> ...someone should remind me more often that there's no point trying to be serious in -ot
[00:25] <Gla> hey guys, how's it going?
[00:26] <Gla> I came here a few months ago talking to you guys about how I have been working on a product for the past year or so to create scaleable, manageable real-time communities on the web
[00:27] <Gla> and you guys expressed a lot of interest in checking it out
[00:27] <Gla> so I'm back
[00:27] <Gla> also I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392799 which I thought was interesting
[00:27] <Gla> I've been working on it full-time for the past year or so with 2 other developers
[00:28] <Gla> and we're ready to show what we have and really hope you guys like it
[00:28] <Gla> as we think ubuntu is the perfect place for a lot of reasons ( per our last conversation here )
[01:20] <tsimpson> Gla: Hi again :) it would probably be better if you send some details to our IRC mailing list (ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com) so we can start a discussion. (you can subscribe at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-irc )
[01:24] <Gla> alrighty
[02:00] <jrib> hey, why is ubottu asking me to review a ban?  Does it happen automatically after a week for all bans now?
[02:02] <nhandler> jrib: Yeah. You won't get nagged again though.
[02:02] <nhandler> An email went to the ML iirc
[02:03] <elky> I look forward to the week after play whackamole with a skilled evader
[02:05] <jrib> "Hi, please review the ban '*!*@190.12.78.113'" from ubottu but I can't find any ban matching 190.12.78.113 on the ban tracker
[02:06] <jrib> which strikes me as strange because I assume the feature uses the same database
[02:08] <jrib> maybe ubottu just hates me
[02:10] <nhandler> jrib: I see 20:10:02 -!- 6 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@190.12.78.113 [by jrib!~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib, 619274 secs ago]
[02:11] <jrib> nhandler: but on the ban tracker?
[02:11] <nhandler> @btlogin
[02:11] <nhandler> @login
[02:11] <jrib> although I suppose that means ubottu *doesn't* use the ban tracker to figure out if he needs to remind me
[02:11] <Gla> tsimpson: if there a better way?
[02:12] <Gla> a mailing list seems like kinda a crazy way to talk about this
[02:13] <jrib> Gla: the mailing list will elicit feedback from everyone involved with irc, not just whoever is active right now :)
[02:13] <tsimpson> Gla: why do you say that?
[03:04] <Gla> well
[03:04] <Gla> alright
[03:04] <Gla> I'll give it a shot
[03:04] <Gla> here it goes
[03:06] <MTecknology> Could somebody toss out a +q in -offtopic?
[03:32] <Gla> hey guys I just sent my email to the mailining list
[03:32] <Gla> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.  The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list
[03:32] <Gla> sent to ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:43] <elky> You were given the link to subscribe to the mailing list, so yes, that would happen if you did not follow that instruction.
[03:51] <Flannel> Such class.
[04:54] <tsimpson> Gla: did you subscribe to the list?
[06:26] <mneptok> Gla: if there's nothing else you need, we have a no-idle policy in this channel
[06:29] <Gla> ah
[06:29] <Gla> okay
[06:29] <Gla> sorry about that
[06:29] <Gla> tsimpson: yes I did
[06:31] <tsimpson> Gla: I would like to see a response from you to the reply from idleone
[06:32] <Gla> yeap, responding now
[06:42] <tsimpson> Gla: when you say "IRC authentication", what exactly do you mean?
[06:42] <tsimpson> how exactly do you know user X and password Y are correct?
[06:53] <Gla> we authenticate them against IRC
[06:54] <tsimpson> how exactly?
[06:54] <Gla> ./nickserver username pass
[06:54] <jussi> o.O
[06:55] <tsimpson> so you store that information on your website?
[06:55] <Gla> database, yes
[06:55] <Gla> md5
[06:56] <jussi> no thanks.
[06:56] <tsimpson> I don't think many of us will be comfortable with that
[06:56] <jussi> I dont want to share my freenode password with you.
[06:57] <Gla> it's not that different from creating an account, the only difference is that we link you up with your appropriate groups with moderation structure etc
[06:57] <Gla> well, we may be partnering with Freenode officially
[06:57] <tsimpson> it would make more sense to send the user a memo (with memoserv) containing a key, which can be used to verify an account
[06:57] <Gla> I'll keep you abreast on that
[06:58] <Gla> well, we're mostly concerned about the chanels you moderate
[06:58] <Gla> so we can inherit the moderation structure
[06:58] <Gla> without question
[06:58] <Gla> and you have to authenticate to do that
[06:59] <tsimpson> you don't need to authenticate as us to do that
[06:59] <Gla> yea you do
[06:59] <tsimpson> the method I described will work, as a user needs to be identified to read memos
[06:59] <Gla> or unless you know another way
[07:00] <Gla> but how could we get a list?
[07:00] <Gla> we currently do ./nickserv listchans
[07:00] <Gla> which gives you all chans that you moderate
[07:01] <tsimpson> why do you need to know all the channels? why not just look at the specific ones you're interested in?
[07:03] <Gla> we're interested in all of them
[07:03] <Gla> that's what most users want
[07:03] <Gla> to be hooked into everything they moderate right off the bat
[07:03] <Gla> I'm just not sure how this would work
[07:07] <Gla> I'll ruminate on this
[07:08] <Gla> but it seems like you guys would rather off a different way then lending your freenode credentials
[07:08] <Gla> noted
[07:09] <jussi> Gla: think about it for us ops, or more pertinent, the GC's. giving those credentials to you is a big stretch.
[07:12] <Gla> yea I suppose that could mean compromising all of IRC
[07:12] <Gla> perhaps what I can do is have you sign up and then simply do a call to IRC and get your structure
[07:13] <Gla> not storing your password
[07:13] <Gla> just doing a straight call
[07:13] <Gla> so you sign up, login, etc... and then if you ever want to link up your account you just send your u/p , but we don't store it, just make the call
[07:14] <jussi> Gla: why not do it the way tsimpson said?
[07:14] <jussi> if you partner with freenode, surely they should share the access lists with you.
[07:15] <Gla> right
[07:16] <Gla> yea, if that was that case that would all work just fine
[07:19] <Gla> actually
[07:19] <Gla> I could just scrape all channel credentials right now and store them
[07:19] <Gla> then use that to auth, and use the memo system tsimpson talked about
[07:20] <Gla> alright, that will work
[07:20] <Gla> will take a bit of time though
[07:21] <Gla> anyhow, I will keep you up to date with how things progress with this
[07:21] <Gla> it's clear you don't like the auth system as is ( as I'm sure most don't, we just launched 24 hours ago so we're just getting feedback ), so we'll update this.
[07:33] <elky> Gla, what does Freenode think about you doing this?
[07:34] <elky> (storing their users private details, presumably without an NDA)
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[10:07] <bazhang> Gla, please don't idle here, as per the channel topic
[11:05] <Tm_T> (:
[11:05] <Tm_T> I wonder if his issue could be dealt in -irc
[11:06] <Tm_T> or would it collect too much noise, dunno
 unban me for six or so lines, repeated in PM
[11:53] <Tm_T> why he pm you anyway?
[11:53] <bazhang> I was the original person to ban him I am guessing
[11:54] <Tm_T> ach so
[11:55] <Tm_T> phew!
[12:04] <jussi> bazhang: , curiousity question, where are you located?
[12:06] <bazhang> jussi, in Taipei Taiwan
[12:06] <jussi> ahh, cool.
[12:11] <Mamarok> and he never sleeps
[12:11] <knome> lol
[12:12] <Tm_T> who does?
[12:12] <knome> yeah.
[12:12]  * Tm_T dozed 2 hours last night/morning
[12:12] <knome> <- maybe 4
[12:14] <knome> should go home but i think it rains there.
[12:14] <knome> and i'm afraid to pass the horde of noisy ladies.
[12:15] <Tm_T> knome: distract them by pointing to some corner and yell "Kekkonen meni tuonne!"
[12:15] <knome> eww
[12:15] <knome> they're sitting around the coffee table
[12:15] <knome> they will not move
[12:15] <knome> :P
[12:16] <Tm_T> but they will look the other way, so you can run
[12:16] <knome> they won't
[12:16] <knome> :(
[12:16] <Tm_T> you tried? awwww
[12:16] <knome> not exactly, but they are pretty lazy
[12:17] <Tm_T> so are you apparently
[12:17] <knome> so i don't think they will  move their heads if not necessary
[12:17] <knome> lol
[12:17] <knome> somewhat
[12:17] <knome> though i have done anything scheduled for today
[12:17] <knome> *everything
[12:19]  * gnomefreak should know better than to get online when i first wake up :-(
[12:20] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: how so?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i have to have coffee to make me awaw enough
[12:23] <gnomefreak> awake ever
[12:26] <MenZa> gnomefreak: I'm brewing some right now!
[12:26] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: how that has to do with IRC? (;)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: the whole thinking on IRC and well just thinking at all is hard to do. i should have coffee ready soon :)
[12:32] <Tm_T> IRC, thinking, does not compute (;)
[12:32]  * Tm_T hides
[13:23] <bazhang> :0
[13:24] <bazhang> no voice?
[13:25] <MenZa> FUNKYHAAAAT.
[13:25] <MenZa> He's not identified, bazhang
[13:25] <MenZa> funkyHat1 \o
[13:25] <Tm_T> who is he?
[13:26] <MenZa> New -ot op :)
[13:26] <Tm_T> aaah, nice!
[13:26] <bazhang> :)
[13:26]  * Tm_T huggles funkyHat1
[13:26] <bazhang> intruder alert!
[13:30] <funkyHat1> hoogles
[13:30] <IdleOne> Good morning!
[13:30] <jussi> Huomenta.
[13:30] <Tm_T> päivää
[13:30] <Tm_T> jussi: maksalaatikkoa?
[13:30] <bazhang> hi!!!!!
[13:30] <jussi> Tm_T: ei kiitos.
[13:30] <funkyHat> Hi ⢁)
[13:31] <jussi> IdleOne: funkyHat, you should have/get soon PM's from your mentors.
[13:32] <Tm_T> mentors <3
[13:32] <IdleOne> jussi: cool beans
[13:32] <IdleOne> and thank you all.
[13:33]  * Tm_T huggles IdleOne too
[13:33]  * IdleOne huggles everybody
[13:33] <Tm_T> welcome to rats nest
[13:33] <IdleOne> Tm_T: ok, you can let go now
[13:33] <IdleOne> hehe
[13:34] <MenZa> hihi, IdleOne
[13:34] <MenZa> and congrats to y'alls.
[13:35] <IdleOne> heya MenZa
[13:36] <IdleOne> This has been an awesome week for me on the IRC front
[13:36] <MenZa> :)
[13:36] <IdleOne> Got a reply from SABDFL on the ML and now I am allowed to hang out in here haha
[13:36] <MenZa> :D
[13:37] <bazhang> heads up on zhxk
[13:37] <jussi> again?
[13:38] <bazhang> well known issue freenode-wide
[13:38] <MenZa> jussi: your 01 is gone!
[13:38] <elky> IdleOne, um... "allowed" is the wrong word.
[13:38] <elky> IdleOne, You've been condemned to hang out here.
[13:39] <MenZa> elky: technicalities, technicalities!
[13:39]  * MenZa hands IdleOne a mug of fresh coffee.
[13:39] <IdleOne> even better elky :)
[13:39] <jussi> MenZa: welcome to irc today...
[13:39] <MenZa> jussi: I've been a busy bee :)
[13:39] <gnomefreak> is there a script like auto_bleh for weechat? not sure if it is perl or not
[13:39] <bazhang> hehe
[13:39] <jussi> elky: no corruption just yet please :P
[13:39] <IdleOne> errr real life though is being a pain this week. Thanks for the cup o' joe MenZa
[13:40] <elky> jussi, corruption? I'm just being the only kind soul to give him fair warning.
[13:40] <elky> The first troll. That will do the corrupting.
[13:40] <gnomefreak> oh thanks you reminded me to get more coffe :) thanks
[13:40] <Tm_T> elky: or if not that, the next flood of trolls
[13:41] <Tm_T> or... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bacta
[13:41]  * Tm_T hides
[13:41]  * funkyHat1 falls over
[13:41] <funkyHat1> wat. why am I funkyhat1 again?
[13:41] <bazhang> funkyHat1, welcome!
[13:42] <Tm_T> funkyHat1: you should close the other connection/client
[13:43] <funkyHat> Tm_T: I thought I'd already done that. I must be going mad
[13:43] <bazhang> to become an op madness is compulsory
[13:44] <Tm_T> funkyHat: you are here
[13:44] <Tm_T> and I still think o4o should contain "be silly"
[13:45] <Tm_T> or, "don't be no-silly" or some other sillyness in itself
[13:46] <persia> madness is not compulsory: if you don't start with it, it will be granted as a result.
[13:47] <funkyHat> Well if I'm already mad do I get any other presents?#
[13:48] <bazhang> bt access
[13:49] <jussi> encyclopedia stuff
[13:50] <Tm_T> our mad companion
[13:50] <jussi> Im just getting on a conference call now, so tsimpson can sort you or Ill do it after.
[13:53] <IdleOne> ok I am back and ready to be abused
[14:02] <gord> in offtopic you can't not be sometimes but never maybe always not quite definitely not silly. any deviation from this will result in immediate banishment from the internet
[14:03] <IdleOne> gord: you hurt my head
[14:03] <IdleOne> think I lost part of my eye sight trying to read that
[14:03] <Tm_T> IdleOne: weird, that was supposed to hurt only gord's head
[14:04] <topyli> hi IdleOne and funkyHat, welcome to the jungle
[14:04] <IdleOne> topyli: thank you :)
[14:04] <gord> we've got fun and games
[14:05] <IdleOne> you can have anything you want
[14:06] <funkyHat> Hi topyli ⢁)
[14:08] <Tm_T> it's refreshing to have new faces here
[14:09] <bazhang> yep
[14:11] <gord> to those who are new but dont' know, chanserv.py is wonderful on freenode, recommended if you use xchat!
[14:11] <topyli> yeah
[14:12] <topyli> irssi users are divided between scripts like auto_bleh.pl and alias sets
[14:12] <IdleOne> chanserv.py works well yup
[14:13] <Tm_T> topyli: we still don't have one place to look at resources for these, btw?
[14:15] <Tm_T> I don't have all the aliases I would need (:
[14:16] <topyli> the mythical Someone is supposed to add Tips&Tricks on the wiki, but i don't think it has happened
[14:16] <Tm_T> hmph
[14:21] <gord> damn you Someone!
[14:22] <IdleOne> let us meet at Someone's house and have them update the wiki
[14:25]  * h00k waves to everyone
[14:25] <bazhang> welcome!
[14:25] <jussi> o/
[14:25] <IdleOne> h00k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:25] <topyli> hi h00k
[14:25] <h00k> IdleOne!!!11!!!one!!!eleven1!!1!
[14:26] <IdleOne> hehe
[14:26] <jussi> IdleOne: see, he is mad already :D
[14:26] <IdleOne> yup
[14:26] <IdleOne> I kinda feel bad for h00k
[14:27] <IdleOne> he got double duty. I figure he has about 2 months left before being committed to a mental institution
[14:27] <IdleOne> :)
[14:27] <h00k> IdleOne: I'm bringin' you right htere with me!
[14:27] <h00k> *there, even
[14:27]  * IdleOne gets the bed by the window
[14:27] <IdleOne> :P
[14:35] <Tm_T> getting crowded here
[14:42] <bazhang> time to update the ops call list factoid I am guessing
[14:43] <IdleOne> See now that is the cherry on top of the sunday.
[14:43] <IdleOne> making into ubottu's database lol
[14:43] <Tm_T> ):
[14:45] <jussi> bazhang: please do.
[14:45] <bazhang> ok
[14:46] <jussi> bazhang: remember to do it in pm with the bot
[14:46] <bazhang> jussi, of course
[14:47] <IdleOne> so is there a list of channels I need to ad to my autojoin?
[14:47] <IdleOne> add*
[14:47] <IdleOne> besides this one
[14:48] <Tm_T> this and the channel(s) you are op
[14:48] <Tm_T> and ofcourse -irc if it's not already
[14:48] <bazhang> nhandler is only -ot?
[14:48] <Tm_T> (last one is not mandatory but useful)
[14:48] <bazhang> the two seem to be the same btw #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:48] <IdleOne> bazhang: also in #ubuntu I believe
[14:50] <bazhang> so maco IdleOne h00k and nhandler then?
[14:50] <maco> me in #ubuntu but not in -ot
[14:51] <bazhang> same, though I get highlighted in -ot
[14:51] <IdleOne> me in #ubuntu only
[14:51] <Tm_T> I get hilighted by '1ops' string so I don't need to be in those ubottu outputs
[14:52] <IdleOne> 1ops
[14:52] <IdleOne> did that highlight you ?
[14:52] <IdleOne> :)
[14:52] <bazhang>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list is not working for me; anyone wish to confirm nhandler in #ubuntu ?
[14:53] <h00k> I can confirm
[14:53] <bazhang> thanks h00k
[14:53]  * Tm_T huggles IdleOne
[14:53] <h00k> I wish I had more number keys (11 through 20) so I could alt to them easier.
[14:54] <IdleOne> hmm how do you confirm?
[14:54] <gord> h00k, thats what alt+qwertyuiop is for no?
[14:54] <Tm_T> bazhang: there's also launchpad
[14:54] <bazhang> via the command above ; edited
[14:54] <h00k> gord: ....
[14:54] <h00k> gord: you're a genius!
[14:54] <Tm_T> h00k: hahaha
[14:54] <h00k> I didn't know that existed.
[14:54] <bazhang> you can /msg ubottu to check I got it right
[14:55] <gord> you learn something new (specifically about irssi) every day
[14:55] <h00k> also, everytime I read the rsync man page.
[14:56] <bazhang> whoops need to change jussi01 to simply jussi
[15:01] <maco> wait so -ot and #ubuntu dont have specific separate ops calls?
[15:01] <bazhang> not figured out how to make them so
[15:01] <maco> cuz i just tried in pm with the bot and it didnt know what i was talking about when i asked for the -ot one
[15:02] <bazhang> same
[15:02] <bazhang> but the new #ubuntu one works right?
[15:02] <jussi> there is not specific offtopic one ircc.
[15:02] <maco> +i -c
[15:03] <jussi> hehe
[15:03] <h00k> gord: oh man, I love you. (alt+qwerty...)
[15:03] <maco> hah
[15:03] <maco> h00k: learnin to use your client?
[15:03] <h00k> maco: apparently.
[15:04] <h00k> I was all feelin' good because I figured most of what I needed out...except for that.
[15:04] <h00k> I'd go to alt+0 and then control+n over to the 10+n channels
[15:05] <jussi> h00k: I dont remember alt+a or ctrl+a is cool also...
[15:05] <jussi> one of them
[15:05] <Tm_T> alt+a
[15:05] <jussi> been a while since I used irssi
[15:05] <Tm_T> "move to last active"
[15:05] <h00k> oho!
[15:06] <Tm_T> I have silly bindings for 39 windows, but should do some solution to get to my current >60 ...
[15:30] <funkyHat> Tm_T: I've also been wondering about settin up bindings for channels above 40
[15:31] <funkyHat> I thought of making a horrible alias which when triggered changed all of my bindings for 1-40 to 41-80, and another to switch them all back
[15:36] <Tm_T> funkyHat: I just do second-level window switcher, that is, if I press first alt+z, then I can just press 1 to get into 21
[15:36] <Tm_T> but for over 40, I have to do something else
[15:36] <funkyHat> Tm_T: which client lets you do alt+z and then a character?
[15:36] <Tm_T> irssi
[15:37] <funkyHat> Ah, then I can use that for my 41-80... how do I define alt+z aliases?
[15:37] <Tm_T> with right bindings, everything is possible
[15:38] <Tm_T> funkyHat: bind meta-z to be key morewindows, for example
[15:39] <Tm_T> and this new key-number to be some window combination like the others are
[15:39] <funkyHat> Ohh cool ⢁)
[15:39]  * funkyHat tries this
[15:42] <bazhang> oh wait. have to add funkyHat to #ubuntu factoid to get him highlighted in -ot
[15:42] <funkyHat> I almost got out of it!
[15:43]  * h00k tests it
[15:43] <bazhang> well MenZa seems not to be on it either
[15:44] <funkyHat> Tm_T: fantastic, thanks ⢁)
[15:45] <Tm_T> bazhang: I shouldn't be in there either, atleast I did remove my nick from it, was just making it longer without any use for me
[15:45] <bazhang> Tm_T, okay
[15:46] <Tm_T> but hey, I'm not in charge on this so... (:
[15:49] <funkyHat> There we go. Keybindings for windows all the way up to 80
[15:49] <funkyHat> madness
[15:49] <Tm_T> jolly good
[15:49] <h00k> this _is_ madness.
[15:49] <bazhang> so funkyHat MenZa no problem not being on the call in -ot?
[15:50] <Tm_T> as soon as bots do those, we don't need to worry
[15:50] <MenZa> none at all
[15:50] <MenZa> I have <excl>ops hilighted.
[15:50] <funkyHat> I thought you were putting me on?
[15:51] <bazhang> funkyHat, then you will be highlighted in #ubuntu as well
[15:51] <funkyHat> Yes I can quite happily just add a highlight instead if it makes it simpler
[15:51] <funkyHat> Right
[15:51] <bazhang> either way is fine, unless the higher-ups object
[16:04]  * IdleOne turns up the tunes. GNR Paradise City!!!
[16:05] <funkyHat> ⢁( can't get -actcolor to work
[16:08] <ikonia> I'd sent him 2 pm's explaining how to join
[16:15] <Myrtti_> Stupid bloody Nexus One keyboard...
[16:17] <Myrtti_> *grumble*
[17:51] <h00k> If someone should be redirected to #ubuntu-ops to discuss their removal, does auto_bleh have an alias for this?
[17:51] <h00k> (am using irssi)
[17:53] <IdleOne> don't know
[18:30] <jpds> Pici: in.archive flipped back.
[19:28] <ikonia> h00k: /afr
[19:28] <h00k> ah ha, for forward.
[19:29] <h00k> ikonia: makes sense. Thank you.
[20:42] <ikonia> hello Tyler
[20:42] <ikonia> hello txwikinger
[20:42] <txwikinger> hello ikonia
[20:45] <ikonia> Guest37344: ping
[20:46] <jussi> txwikinger: cripes.... who let you in here?
[20:46] <jussi> :P
[20:46] <txwikinger> hello to you too Jussi :D
[21:14] <Mamarok> hey, txwikinger :) Welcome on board!
[21:14] <txwikinger> Hi Mamarok. Thanks
[21:14]  * h00k waves
[21:14] <h00k> Hello
[21:18] <Mamarok> hi to all the new ops then, you have reached the 7th level of hell. Enjoy :)
[21:18] <h00k> oh, now I'm warm and fuzzy!
[21:19] <Mamarok> h00k: wait till it starts to itch and burn...
[21:20] <h00k> Mamarok: :D
[21:22] <Gla> man you guys are destroying me :)
[21:22] <Gla> well tsimpson, I owe you a lot
[21:22] <Gla> we’re moving over to your solution
[21:22] <ikonia> ??
[21:23] <Gla> I’m Taso
[21:23] <Gla> creator of tap.info
[21:23] <Gla> tsimpson knows :)
[21:23] <ikonia> ??
[21:23] <ikonia> do you need something from us ?
[21:23] <Gla> ikonia: we were having a discussion here yesterday
[21:24] <Gla> I thought I’d come in here and fill him/people in
[21:24] <ikonia> about what /
[21:24] <Gla> I’ll conitnue the conversation via the mailing list, simply thought I would ping you guys here
[21:24] <Gla> real-time community support
[21:24] <ikonia> about what ?
[21:24] <ikonia> this channel is for IRC discussion
[21:25] <Gla> ikonia: I do know, alright, I’ll part, simply thought I would drop by
[21:25] <ikonia> do you actually need something though ?
[21:25] <ikonia> that's what I'm trying to get to
[21:25] <Gla> ah , no
[21:25] <Gla> I was simply continue yesterdays conversation
[21:26] <Gla> continuing*
[21:26] <Gla> thank you for asking though, do have a nice day!
[21:26] <h00k> Was that about what came across the mailing list, regarding...something some people are developing an alternative for real-time support
[21:28] <ikonia> I've just reponded to it
[21:29] <ikonia> I find it odd that Pricey_ as a freenode staff member would not know anything about a service hooking into freenode's authentication system
[21:29] <ikonia> plus it's not an ubuntu project, or an IRC issue so why even discuss it on the mail list
[21:57] <IdleOne> the last email about that real-time thing has me qioting something I never said
[21:57] <IdleOne> I for the record do not support it
[21:57] <IdleOne> oh wait. that isn't quoting me but a response to me
[21:58] <IdleOne> I still don't like it
[22:10] <nhandler> Congrats to all of the new operators
[22:10] <IdleOne> thank you nhandler and same to you :)
[22:12] <nhandler> :)
[22:26] <topyli> IdleOne, let's see what they come up with. if they detach from our freenode credentials, i'm pretty much ok with anything
[22:26] <topyli> ie they make another web service i can choose to care about or not
[22:26] <IdleOne> topyli: personally I like the concept. I don't see it replacing irc. My main issue from the start was the security issue
[22:27] <topyli> yeah if they fix that, i'm alright
[22:27] <ikonia> I don't see why it is anything to do with #ubuntu-irc at all
[22:27] <IdleOne> and yeah, so we really need another facebookish/twitter site
[22:28] <IdleOne> ikonia: it doesn't but was sent to the list
[22:29] <ikonia> exactly, so it should have been "this is nothing to do with ubuntu's IRC presnse" rather than the interaction it was
[22:30] <IdleOne> ikonia: agreed but Gla was directed to the ML, in hindsight I think it was a good move as it alerted us to the security concerns
[22:30] <ikonia> what security concerns ??
[22:30] <ikonia> we are not freenode
[22:30] <ikonia> let freenode deal with it
[22:30] <ikonia> there is no security concern to ubuntu-irc's presnese
[22:30] <ikonia> (I know there is a security concern overall though)
[22:30] <IdleOne> ikonia: the site itself has no signup it uses user nick and nickserv password or atleast that is what it seemed like
[22:31] <ikonia> so - how is that an ubuntu issue ?
[22:32] <IdleOne> ikonia: well what if without thinking about it you go and put in your nickserv pass. Then they have your pass and can auth as you and cause havoc
[22:32] <ikonia> again - how is that an ubuntu issue ?
[22:32] <topyli> ikonia, it does concern us because we don't want operator privileges compromised. i agree that it's a freenode issue, but we have to remind ops
[22:32] <ikonia> topyli: it doesn't concern us, are you going to police every site I may or may not put my password into ?
[22:33] <ikonia> that response should be "this is nothing to do with ubuntu - please don't discuss it with us" - then inform freenode, </discussion>
[22:33] <topyli> ikonia, no, just those that actively advertise through our communication channels :)
[22:33] <IdleOne> ikonia: yes. That is not how it happened though
[22:33] <ikonia> topyli: exactly - it should have been just stopped
[22:34] <ikonia> "please do not post this stuff here - this is not an ubuntu project, so please don't advertise it"
[22:34] <topyli> ikonia, ok, that's a very good point. taken
[22:35] <ikonia> topyli: not trying to be difficult here, but everything seems to be going process and "wiki page driven" - our remit is the ubuntu channels, as per the wiki - lets stick to that
[22:36] <topyli> i'll think about advising gla to communicate with the council instead of public channels if they want to develop something
[22:36] <ikonia> why ?
[22:36] <ikonia> this is not the councils business either
[22:37] <ikonia> you are to council and govern the irc space - this is an extenral website that is nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:38] <IdleOne> ikonia: but we are also committed to supporting FOSS projects and if this turns out to be a legit project then it would be good for the Council to have a say in how it is shaped
[22:38] <topyli> so far there is nothing interesting. it's better to not pollute the team channels. if they have something to suggest, they can talk to the ircc
[22:38] <ikonia> IdleOne: the ubuntu irc team and council are not committed to supporting FOSS projects
[22:39] <topyli> ikonia, it's better we deal with them than waste everybody's time
[22:39] <ikonia> topyli: this is frustrating, this is not an IRC issue nor a council issue, nor an ubuntu issue, yet we are involing ourselves, yet things like ##club-ubuntu which ARE using the ubuntu name space are allowed to continue using that name to represent ubuntu
[22:39] <ikonia> the mentality is messed up - drop the website project, it's nothing to do with us
[22:40] <topyli> ikonia, please let us deal with it, i'll make sure we will
[22:40] <ikonia> there is nothing to deal with ???
[22:40] <ikonia> why are you involving the council in this ?
[22:40] <topyli> they're sending email in your inbox aren't they?
[22:40] <ikonia> I don't care about the mail
[22:40] <ikonia> I care about the topic
[22:41] <topyli> i care about the irc team
[22:41] <ikonia> we are not here to support a 3rd party making a twitter site that links into freenode
[22:41] <ikonia> the council are not here for that
[22:41] <ikonia> it's not about the irc team
[22:41] <IdleOne> ikonia: there is, the greater ubuntu irc community is at risk of being compromised. this doesn't just affect the ops team
[22:41] <ikonia> IdleOne: no there isn't
[22:41] <ikonia> IdleOne: if we follow the practices of "this is not an ubuntu proejct please do not discuss it in our names spaces" the convesation is over - and the channels are safe
[22:41] <topyli> ok, let's calm down
[22:41] <ikonia> yet we are fostering discussion and solutions
[22:41] <ikonia> I'm perfectly calm
[22:42] <ikonia> I'm expressing a dissatisfaction with an issue
[22:42] <IdleOne> ikonia: and if we do nothing and don't let people know that this is not an official project then we are just as involved
[22:42] <ikonia> topyli: where is the progress of my core channel ban on Bacta - the one I requested the process for ?
[22:43] <IdleOne> except we get " You didn't let us know. you all suck"
[22:43] <ikonia> IdleOne: we are not doing nothing - telling him "no" end of discussion is protecting the commuinity and following the irc charter
[22:43] <topyli> what i'm trying to say is that we were approached, and it's probably the ircc's job to deal with the company, whether or not it's related to irc. the whole team should not be bothered
[22:44] <topyli> if you like, i can do nothing also
[22:44] <ikonia> topyli: there is nothing to "deal with"
[22:44] <topyli> ok
[22:44] <ikonia> topyli: I know this sounds harsh, and like I'm being a pain, but I've had "the charter" rammed in my face so much of late, I'd like to see if followed too
[22:45] <ikonia> is this website an ubuntu project - no, is it an irc issue, no, therefore please to not discuss it on the mail lists or channels
[22:45] <ikonia> where in the wiki charter does it say we invole ourselves in developing third party web solutions with external companies ???
[22:46] <IdleOne> ikonia: To late for that, right or wrong it was sent to the list and now it needs to be dealt with
[22:46] <topyli> ikonia, what's your practical, positive suggestion then? filter out messages from this company?
[22:46] <ikonia> IdleOne: and dealing with it is "this is nothing to do with us, please don't discuss it in the ubuntu name space"
[22:46] <ikonia> topyli: no, a simple message saying please don't post this again
[22:46] <ikonia> rather than the 10 discussion email thread that's starting
[22:47] <topyli> ok, i'll note that. i also hope joe's mail with freenode hat on works a little
[22:47] <ikonia> topyli: yes, I thought that mail was helpful also
[22:53] <topyli> ikonia, okay, i think your point is very convincing, and i'm going to act accordingly. we don't need this on the list
[22:54] <ikonia> thank you
[22:54] <IdleOne> sounds good
[22:55] <topyli> these guys can build another service, unrelated to us, and good luck to them
[22:58] <ikonia> I have no issue with want they want to do (think it's a bad idea) and I don't care (from an ubuntu point of view) that they want to auth against anything
[22:58] <topyli> let's just hope it will be awesome and add a nice contribution to the success of ubuntu! :)
[22:59] <topyli> it's just not related to us, so they're on their own