[00:10] !pm > ert [00:10] * Tm_T huggles Myrtti [00:24] ...someone should remind me more often that there's no point trying to be serious in -ot [00:25] hey guys, how's it going? [00:26] I came here a few months ago talking to you guys about how I have been working on a product for the past year or so to create scaleable, manageable real-time communities on the web [00:27] and you guys expressed a lot of interest in checking it out [00:27] so I'm back [00:27] also I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392799 which I thought was interesting [00:27] Launchpad bug 392799 in ubuntu-community "#ubuntu too noisy to be useful" [Medium,In progress] [00:27] I've been working on it full-time for the past year or so with 2 other developers [00:28] and we're ready to show what we have and really hope you guys like it [00:28] as we think ubuntu is the perfect place for a lot of reasons ( per our last conversation here ) [01:15] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (decker) [01:20] Gla: Hi again :) it would probably be better if you send some details to our IRC mailing list (ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com) so we can start a discussion. (you can subscribe at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-irc ) [01:24] alrighty [02:00] hey, why is ubottu asking me to review a ban? Does it happen automatically after a week for all bans now? [02:02] jrib: Yeah. You won't get nagged again though. [02:02] An email went to the ML iirc [02:03] I look forward to the week after play whackamole with a skilled evader [02:05] "Hi, please review the ban '*!*@190.12.78.113'" from ubottu but I can't find any ban matching 190.12.78.113 on the ban tracker [02:06] which strikes me as strange because I assume the feature uses the same database [02:08] maybe ubottu just hates me [02:10] jrib: I see 20:10:02 -!- 6 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@190.12.78.113 [by jrib!~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib, 619274 secs ago] [02:11] nhandler: but on the ban tracker? [02:11] @btlogin [02:11] @login [02:11] The operation succeeded. [02:11] although I suppose that means ubottu *doesn't* use the ban tracker to figure out if he needs to remind me [02:11] tsimpson: if there a better way? [02:12] a mailing list seems like kinda a crazy way to talk about this [02:13] Gla: the mailing list will elicit feedback from everyone involved with irc, not just whoever is active right now :) [02:13] Gla: why do you say that? [03:04] well [03:04] alright [03:04] I'll give it a shot [03:04] here it goes [03:06] Could somebody toss out a +q in -offtopic? [03:32] hey guys I just sent my email to the mailining list [03:32] Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list [03:32] sent to ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com [03:43] You were given the link to subscribe to the mailing list, so yes, that would happen if you did not follow that instruction. [03:50] maco called the ops in #ubuntu (Lunix4noobs language) [03:51] Such class. [04:54] Gla: did you subscribe to the list? [06:26] Gla: if there's nothing else you need, we have a no-idle policy in this channel [06:29] ah [06:29] okay [06:29] sorry about that [06:29] tsimpson: yes I did [06:31] Gla: I would like to see a response from you to the reply from idleone [06:32] yeap, responding now [06:35] ardchoille called the ops in #ubuntu (several people continue ot) [06:42] Gla: when you say "IRC authentication", what exactly do you mean? [06:42] how exactly do you know user X and password Y are correct? [06:53] we authenticate them against IRC [06:54] how exactly? [06:54] ./nickserver username pass [06:54] o.O [06:55] so you store that information on your website? [06:55] database, yes [06:55] md5 [06:56] no thanks. [06:56] I don't think many of us will be comfortable with that [06:56] I dont want to share my freenode password with you. [06:57] it's not that different from creating an account, the only difference is that we link you up with your appropriate groups with moderation structure etc [06:57] well, we may be partnering with Freenode officially [06:57] it would make more sense to send the user a memo (with memoserv) containing a key, which can be used to verify an account [06:57] I'll keep you abreast on that [06:58] well, we're mostly concerned about the chanels you moderate [06:58] so we can inherit the moderation structure [06:58] without question [06:58] and you have to authenticate to do that [06:59] you don't need to authenticate as us to do that [06:59] yea you do [06:59] the method I described will work, as a user needs to be identified to read memos [06:59] or unless you know another way [07:00] but how could we get a list? [07:00] we currently do ./nickserv listchans [07:00] which gives you all chans that you moderate [07:01] why do you need to know all the channels? why not just look at the specific ones you're interested in? [07:03] we're interested in all of them [07:03] that's what most users want [07:03] to be hooked into everything they moderate right off the bat [07:03] I'm just not sure how this would work [07:07] I'll ruminate on this [07:08] but it seems like you guys would rather off a different way then lending your freenode credentials [07:08] noted [07:09] Gla: think about it for us ops, or more pertinent, the GC's. giving those credentials to you is a big stretch. [07:12] yea I suppose that could mean compromising all of IRC [07:12] perhaps what I can do is have you sign up and then simply do a call to IRC and get your structure [07:13] not storing your password [07:13] just doing a straight call [07:13] so you sign up, login, etc... and then if you ever want to link up your account you just send your u/p , but we don't store it, just make the call [07:14] Gla: why not do it the way tsimpson said? [07:14] if you partner with freenode, surely they should share the access lists with you. [07:15] right [07:16] yea, if that was that case that would all work just fine [07:19] actually [07:19] I could just scrape all channel credentials right now and store them [07:19] then use that to auth, and use the memo system tsimpson talked about [07:20] alright, that will work [07:20] will take a bit of time though [07:21] anyhow, I will keep you up to date with how things progress with this [07:21] it's clear you don't like the auth system as is ( as I'm sure most don't, we just launched 24 hours ago so we're just getting feedback ), so we'll update this. [07:33] Gla, what does Freenode think about you doing this? [07:34] (storing their users private details, presumably without an NDA) [08:19] good morning === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [10:07] Gla, please don't idle here, as per the channel topic [10:22] iceroot called the ops in #ubuntu (xyz-) [11:05] (: [11:05] I wonder if his issue could be dealt in -irc [11:06] or would it collect too much noise, dunno [11:52] unban me for six or so lines, repeated in PM [11:53] why he pm you anyway? [11:53] I was the original person to ban him I am guessing [11:54] ach so [11:55] phew! [12:04] bazhang: , curiousity question, where are you located? [12:06] jussi, in Taipei Taiwan [12:06] ahh, cool. [12:11] and he never sleeps [12:11] lol [12:12] who does? [12:12] yeah. [12:12] * Tm_T dozed 2 hours last night/morning [12:12] <- maybe 4 [12:14] should go home but i think it rains there. [12:14] and i'm afraid to pass the horde of noisy ladies. [12:15] knome: distract them by pointing to some corner and yell "Kekkonen meni tuonne!" [12:15] eww [12:15] they're sitting around the coffee table [12:15] they will not move [12:15] :P [12:16] but they will look the other way, so you can run [12:16] they won't [12:16] :( [12:16] you tried? awwww [12:16] not exactly, but they are pretty lazy [12:17] so are you apparently [12:17] so i don't think they will move their heads if not necessary [12:17] lol [12:17] somewhat [12:17] though i have done anything scheduled for today [12:17] *everything [12:19] * gnomefreak should know better than to get online when i first wake up :-( [12:20] gnomefreak: how so? [12:23] Tm_T: i have to have coffee to make me awaw enough [12:23] awake ever [12:26] gnomefreak: I'm brewing some right now! [12:26] gnomefreak: how that has to do with IRC? (;) [12:27] Tm_T: the whole thinking on IRC and well just thinking at all is hard to do. i should have coffee ready soon :) [12:32] IRC, thinking, does not compute (;) [12:32] * Tm_T hides [13:23] :0 [13:24] no voice? [13:25] FUNKYHAAAAT. [13:25] He's not identified, bazhang [13:25] funkyHat1 \o [13:25] who is he? [13:26] New -ot op :) [13:26] aaah, nice! [13:26] :) [13:26] * Tm_T huggles funkyHat1 [13:26] intruder alert! [13:30] hoogles [13:30] Good morning! [13:30] Huomenta. [13:30] päivää [13:30] jussi: maksalaatikkoa? [13:30] hi!!!!! [13:30] Tm_T: ei kiitos. [13:30] Hi ⢁) [13:31] IdleOne: funkyHat, you should have/get soon PM's from your mentors. [13:32] mentors <3 [13:32] jussi: cool beans [13:32] and thank you all. [13:33] * Tm_T huggles IdleOne too [13:33] * IdleOne huggles everybody [13:33] welcome to rats nest [13:33] Tm_T: ok, you can let go now [13:33] hehe [13:34] hihi, IdleOne [13:34] and congrats to y'alls. [13:35] heya MenZa [13:36] This has been an awesome week for me on the IRC front [13:36] :) [13:36] Got a reply from SABDFL on the ML and now I am allowed to hang out in here haha [13:36] :D [13:37] heads up on zhxk [13:37] again? [13:38] well known issue freenode-wide [13:38] jussi: your 01 is gone! [13:38] IdleOne, um... "allowed" is the wrong word. [13:38] IdleOne, You've been condemned to hang out here. [13:39] elky: technicalities, technicalities! [13:39] * MenZa hands IdleOne a mug of fresh coffee. [13:39] even better elky :) [13:39] MenZa: welcome to irc today... [13:39] jussi: I've been a busy bee :) [13:39] is there a script like auto_bleh for weechat? not sure if it is perl or not [13:39] hehe [13:39] elky: no corruption just yet please :P [13:39] errr real life though is being a pain this week. Thanks for the cup o' joe MenZa [13:40] jussi, corruption? I'm just being the only kind soul to give him fair warning. [13:40] The first troll. That will do the corrupting. [13:40] oh thanks you reminded me to get more coffe :) thanks [13:40] elky: or if not that, the next flood of trolls [13:41] or... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bacta [13:41] * Tm_T hides [13:41] * funkyHat1 falls over [13:41] wat. why am I funkyhat1 again? [13:41] funkyHat1, welcome! [13:42] funkyHat1: you should close the other connection/client [13:43] Tm_T: I thought I'd already done that. I must be going mad [13:43] to become an op madness is compulsory [13:44] funkyHat: you are here [13:44] and I still think o4o should contain "be silly" [13:45] or, "don't be no-silly" or some other sillyness in itself [13:46] madness is not compulsory: if you don't start with it, it will be granted as a result. [13:47] Well if I'm already mad do I get any other presents?# [13:48] bt access [13:49] encyclopedia stuff [13:50] our mad companion [13:50] Im just getting on a conference call now, so tsimpson can sort you or Ill do it after. [13:53] ok I am back and ready to be abused [14:02] in offtopic you can't not be sometimes but never maybe always not quite definitely not silly. any deviation from this will result in immediate banishment from the internet [14:03] gord: you hurt my head [14:03] think I lost part of my eye sight trying to read that [14:03] IdleOne: weird, that was supposed to hurt only gord's head [14:04] hi IdleOne and funkyHat, welcome to the jungle [14:04] topyli: thank you :) [14:04] we've got fun and games [14:05] you can have anything you want [14:06] Hi topyli ⢁) [14:08] it's refreshing to have new faces here [14:09] yep [14:11] to those who are new but dont' know, chanserv.py is wonderful on freenode, recommended if you use xchat! [14:11] yeah [14:12] irssi users are divided between scripts like auto_bleh.pl and alias sets [14:12] chanserv.py works well yup [14:13] topyli: we still don't have one place to look at resources for these, btw? [14:15] I don't have all the aliases I would need (: [14:16] the mythical Someone is supposed to add Tips&Tricks on the wiki, but i don't think it has happened [14:16] hmph [14:21] damn you Someone! [14:22] let us meet at Someone's house and have them update the wiki [14:25] * h00k waves to everyone [14:25] welcome! [14:25] o/ [14:25] h00k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:25] hi h00k [14:25] IdleOne!!!11!!!one!!!eleven1!!1! [14:26] hehe [14:26] IdleOne: see, he is mad already :D [14:26] yup [14:26] I kinda feel bad for h00k [14:27] he got double duty. I figure he has about 2 months left before being committed to a mental institution [14:27] :) [14:27] IdleOne: I'm bringin' you right htere with me! [14:27] *there, even [14:27] * IdleOne gets the bed by the window [14:27] :P [14:28] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:28] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:30] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:35] getting crowded here [14:42] time to update the ops call list factoid I am guessing [14:43] See now that is the cherry on top of the sunday. [14:43] making into ubottu's database lol [14:43] ): [14:45] bazhang: please do. [14:45] ok [14:46] bazhang: remember to do it in pm with the bot [14:46] jussi, of course [14:47] so is there a list of channels I need to ad to my autojoin? [14:47] add* [14:47] besides this one [14:48] this and the channel(s) you are op [14:48] and ofcourse -irc if it's not already [14:48] nhandler is only -ot? [14:48] (last one is not mandatory but useful) [14:48] the two seem to be the same btw #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic [14:48] bazhang: also in #ubuntu I believe [14:50] so maco IdleOne h00k and nhandler then? [14:50] me in #ubuntu but not in -ot [14:51] same, though I get highlighted in -ot [14:51] me in #ubuntu only [14:51] I get hilighted by '1ops' string so I don't need to be in those ubottu outputs [14:52] 1ops [14:52] did that highlight you ? [14:52] :) [14:52] /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list is not working for me; anyone wish to confirm nhandler in #ubuntu ? [14:53] I can confirm [14:53] thanks h00k [14:53] * Tm_T huggles IdleOne [14:53] I wish I had more number keys (11 through 20) so I could alt to them easier. [14:54] hmm how do you confirm? [14:54] h00k, thats what alt+qwertyuiop is for no? [14:54] bazhang: there's also launchpad [14:54] via the command above ; edited [14:54] gord: .... [14:54] gord: you're a genius! [14:54] h00k: hahaha [14:54] I didn't know that existed. [14:54] you can /msg ubottu to check I got it right [14:55] you learn something new (specifically about irssi) every day [14:55] also, everytime I read the rsync man page. [14:56] whoops need to change jussi01 to simply jussi [15:01] wait so -ot and #ubuntu dont have specific separate ops calls? [15:01] not figured out how to make them so [15:01] cuz i just tried in pm with the bot and it didnt know what i was talking about when i asked for the -ot one [15:02] same [15:02] but the new #ubuntu one works right? [15:02] there is not specific offtopic one ircc. [15:02] +i -c [15:03] hehe [15:03] gord: oh man, I love you. (alt+qwerty...) [15:03] hah [15:03] h00k: learnin to use your client? [15:03] maco: apparently. [15:04] I was all feelin' good because I figured most of what I needed out...except for that. [15:04] I'd go to alt+0 and then control+n over to the 10+n channels [15:05] h00k: I dont remember alt+a or ctrl+a is cool also... [15:05] one of them [15:05] alt+a [15:05] been a while since I used irssi [15:05] "move to last active" [15:05] oho! [15:06] I have silly bindings for 39 windows, but should do some solution to get to my current >60 ... [15:30] Tm_T: I've also been wondering about settin up bindings for channels above 40 [15:31] I thought of making a horrible alias which when triggered changed all of my bindings for 1-40 to 41-80, and another to switch them all back [15:36] funkyHat: I just do second-level window switcher, that is, if I press first alt+z, then I can just press 1 to get into 21 [15:36] but for over 40, I have to do something else [15:36] Tm_T: which client lets you do alt+z and then a character? [15:36] irssi [15:37] Ah, then I can use that for my 41-80... how do I define alt+z aliases? [15:37] with right bindings, everything is possible [15:38] funkyHat: bind meta-z to be key morewindows, for example [15:39] and this new key-number to be some window combination like the others are [15:39] Ohh cool ⢁) [15:39] * funkyHat tries this [15:42] oh wait. have to add funkyHat to #ubuntu factoid to get him highlighted in -ot [15:42] I almost got out of it! [15:43] * h00k tests it [15:43] well MenZa seems not to be on it either [15:44] Tm_T: fantastic, thanks ⢁) [15:45] bazhang: I shouldn't be in there either, atleast I did remove my nick from it, was just making it longer without any use for me [15:45] Tm_T, okay [15:46] but hey, I'm not in charge on this so... (: [15:49] There we go. Keybindings for windows all the way up to 80 [15:49] madness [15:49] jolly good [15:49] this _is_ madness. [15:49] so funkyHat MenZa no problem not being on the call in -ot? [15:50] as soon as bots do those, we don't need to worry [15:50] none at all [15:50] I have ops hilighted. [15:50] I thought you were putting me on? [15:51] funkyHat, then you will be highlighted in #ubuntu as well [15:51] Yes I can quite happily just add a highlight instead if it makes it simpler [15:51] Right [15:51] either way is fine, unless the higher-ups object [16:04] * IdleOne turns up the tunes. GNR Paradise City!!! === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:05] ⢁( can't get -actcolor to work [16:08] I'd sent him 2 pm's explaining how to join === Guest36779 is now known as Myrtti_ [16:15] Stupid bloody Nexus One keyboard... [16:17] *grumble* [17:51] If someone should be redirected to #ubuntu-ops to discuss their removal, does auto_bleh have an alias for this? [17:51] (am using irssi) [17:53] don't know [18:00] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu+1 () [18:01] Gogoler called the ops in #ubuntu+1 () [18:30] Pici: in.archive flipped back. [19:28] h00k: /afr [19:28] ah ha, for forward. [19:29] ikonia: makes sense. Thank you. [20:42] hello Tyler [20:42] hello txwikinger === Tyler is now known as Guest37344 [20:42] hello ikonia [20:45] Guest37344: ping [20:46] txwikinger: cripes.... who let you in here? [20:46] :P [20:46] hello to you too Jussi :D [21:14] hey, txwikinger :) Welcome on board! [21:14] Hi Mamarok. Thanks [21:14] * h00k waves [21:14] Hello [21:18] hi to all the new ops then, you have reached the 7th level of hell. Enjoy :) [21:18] oh, now I'm warm and fuzzy! [21:19] h00k: wait till it starts to itch and burn... [21:20] Mamarok: :D [21:22] man you guys are destroying me :) [21:22] well tsimpson, I owe you a lot [21:22] we’re moving over to your solution [21:22] ?? [21:23] I’m Taso [21:23] creator of tap.info [21:23] tsimpson knows :) [21:23] ?? [21:23] do you need something from us ? [21:23] ikonia: we were having a discussion here yesterday [21:24] I thought I’d come in here and fill him/people in [21:24] about what / [21:24] I’ll conitnue the conversation via the mailing list, simply thought I would ping you guys here [21:24] real-time community support [21:24] about what ? [21:24] this channel is for IRC discussion [21:25] ikonia: I do know, alright, I’ll part, simply thought I would drop by [21:25] do you actually need something though ? [21:25] that's what I'm trying to get to [21:25] ah , no [21:25] I was simply continue yesterdays conversation [21:26] continuing* [21:26] thank you for asking though, do have a nice day! [21:26] Was that about what came across the mailing list, regarding...something some people are developing an alternative for real-time support [21:28]