| cjohnston | o/ | 19:33 |
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| newz2000 | hi stas, are you around? | 19:34 |
| stas | newz2000: hi | 19:34 |
| stas | yep, still working on that app | 19:34 |
| newz2000 | I was just about to tell you something that wasn't true | 19:34 |
| stas | shoot :) | 19:34 |
| cjohnston | dont lie! its not nice | 19:35 |
| newz2000 | Just to forewarn you, chances are quite high that we won't need plan b (the app you're doing) | 19:35 |
| cjohnston | :-P | 19:35 |
| newz2000 | I almost lied and said we won't need it, but instead I changed it to "almost certainly won't" | 19:35 |
| stas | newz2000: ok so should i continue or drop it> | 19:35 |
| stas | ? | 19:35 |
| newz2000 | I would say it's safe to put it on hold for now | 19:36 |
| newz2000 | stas: how much have you got done? | 19:36 |
| stas | well, I almost got url generator done | 19:36 |
| stas | had to find another solution for geoip location | 19:37 |
| newz2000 | stas oh? | 19:37 |
| stas | and the best was to use http://code.google.com/p/python-geoip/ | 19:37 |
| stas | it will serve both the country code and continent | 19:37 |
| newz2000 | oh, nice | 19:37 |
| newz2000 | great find! | 19:37 |
| stas | that was the main issue, as i said yesterday | 19:38 |
| stas | practicaly now I'm testing the post if it works ok | 19:38 |
| stas | though didn't published anything yet, all is localy hosted | 19:38 |
| newz2000 | It may be that your solution could turn out better than "plan A" | 19:39 |
| newz2000 | But I don't want to waste your time, we will most likely have a working solution | 19:39 |
| stas | ok so i'll leave it with a lower priority | 19:40 |
| newz2000 | ok. Thanks a bunch for your willingness to help, I do appreciate it greatly | 19:40 |
| stas | and check it in case we really need a plan b | 19:40 |
| stas | newz2000: no problem :) | 19:41 |
| stas | btw, did you see the facebook app on planet? :P | 19:41 |
| newz2000 | no, I never get a chance to read planet. Was it a good sighting? | 19:41 |
| stas | yep, the best so far :D | 19:42 |
| * newz2000 just read it | 19:42 | |
| newz2000 | that's beautiful. You're famous! | 19:42 |
| newz2000 | stas: are you a developer by trade? | 19:42 |
| stas | i'm a web developer, but not employed. I love hacking for ubuntu | 19:44 |
| stas | together with adiroiban we are holding ubuntu.ro and all it has on web | 19:45 |
| newz2000 | stas: Now's your chance to launch your freelance develpment biz. :-) | 19:45 |
| newz2000 | Ride the free publicity | 19:45 |
| stas | not really interested :P | 19:45 |
| newz2000 | that's cool | 19:45 |
| Turl | hi newz2000 | 19:46 |
| newz2000 | I've only used PHP for facebook apps but my personal server isn't reliable enough to host them | 19:46 |
| newz2000 | So I'm looking forward to trying out a fb app on app engine | 19:46 |
| newz2000 | hey Turl | 19:46 |
| Turl | what app engine project do you need help for? | 19:46 |
| stas | my first app ws on php , but was dissapointed of its performane | 19:46 |
| stas | python rocks :) | 19:47 |
| newz2000 | Turl: actually, it's on hold | 19:47 |
| Turl | stas: you didn't use xcache, did you? | 19:47 |
| newz2000 | stas: yes. It's remarkable how productive you can be | 19:47 |
| newz2000 | and app engine free hosting for small and medium apps also rocks. | 19:47 |
| stas | Turl: nope, i didn't even used memcache | 19:49 |
| stas | was not really needed | 19:49 |
| * Turl never used memcache | 19:49 | |
| Turl | newz2000: yeah, appengine is good | 19:49 |
| newz2000 | stas: xcache makes your php code go about 8 times faster after the first page view | 19:49 |
| Turl | but the lack of a 'real' db makes things hard sometimes | 19:49 |
| stas | +1 for appengine, but i would like to also try heroku | 19:50 |
| newz2000 | Yeah, it requires a change of thinking. | 19:50 |
| * newz2000 googles heroku | 19:50 | |
| stas | Turl: it's harder to get used to it, but after I didn't have issues | 19:50 |
| * newz2000 bashes his computer for continually forgetting alt+tab shortcut | 19:51 | |
| Turl | hm, it's ruby | 19:51 |
| stas | yep, thats the fun :D | 19:51 |
| Turl | I never used ruby | 19:51 |
| Turl | nor rails | 19:51 |
| newz2000 | stas: is it based on rails? | 19:52 |
| stas | ruby standalone sax, but rails are a nice piece of code | 19:52 |
| stas | newz2000: yeah it uses rails instead of python/django | 19:52 |
| newz2000 | yeah, rails is pretty sweat. I use django for work but have been playing with rails on my own time | 19:52 |
| Turl | actually, I never used many other langs | 19:52 |
| Turl | php for most things | 19:53 |
| newz2000 | Turl: you should give rails and django a try. You can do common stuff so quickly | 19:53 |
| Turl | and I used python to help getdeb's apt-portal | 19:53 |
| Turl | that's the problem newz2000 :P | 19:53 |
| Turl | I don't like using frameworks with cli stuff that generates more stuff automatically | 19:54 |
| Turl | because I don't know the stuff, hence I can't control it easily | 19:54 |
| newz2000 | You just have to learn it. Each has a tutorial that takes 20 min. | 19:54 |
| newz2000 | Django produces less stuff automatically, instead it has conventions and you only have to write code when you want to do something differently | 19:55 |
| Turl | I much more like things like CodeIgniter, which I can code the stuff I need on the "barebones" framework, or use premade modules by the community that I can read and modify | 19:55 |
| Turl | that's an interesting approach newz2000 | 19:55 |
| newz2000 | ci is cool. Django is only a little thicker of a layer than ci | 19:55 |
| * Turl should try django some day | 19:55 | |
| stas | php is fscked up because of the lack os conventions | 19:56 |
| stas | and there's no good (really good) framework for php | 19:57 |
| stas | there are many of them and each one has issues | 19:57 |
| stas | learning php frameworks takes also more time that learning rails or django and thats sad | 19:57 |
| imbrandon | stas: same could be said for any framework for any lang, there are a few php frameworks i quite like | 19:57 |
| imbrandon | ci being one | 19:57 |
| newz2000 | Everything has issues | 19:57 |
| Turl | yeah, everything that is made by humans has errors | 19:58 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: you need to make it down here to KC this summer for a beer or three ;) | 19:58 |
| Turl | imagine if gnu/linux were perfect and bug-free :P | 19:58 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: hey. I don't know why I'd want to, Iowa is perfect right now. :-) | 19:59 |
| stas | imbrandon: ruby also has many, but usually when you say ruby its rails, because they did their best to make it that simple to use and powerfull | 19:59 |
| newz2000 | stas: for heroku do you have to do something special to a rails app to make it run or is it straight rails? | 19:59 |
| stas | newz2000: no its straight rails | 20:00 |
| imbrandon | stas: sure, it really depends on what your doing though, when you only use a hammer everything looks like a nail ( use the right tool for the job without over engineriung it imho ) | 20:00 |
| newz2000 | that's a good way to explore rails w/ a basic app for no cost then | 20:00 |
| stas | imbrandon: I also liked sinatra or limonade in php :) | 20:01 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: well, one reason to visit kc would be to hang w/ some cool people I guess. | 20:01 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: :) | 20:01 |
| Turl | anyone here like symphony? | 20:01 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: how far was ya away ? i always forget, like 3.5ish right ? | 20:02 |
| newz2000 | 3 if the traffic is good | 20:02 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 20:02 |
| * stas guys, brb :P | 20:02 | |
| imbrandon | cool, anyhow i actualy came from non-afk to try to catch joey | 20:02 |
| imbrandon | seen him alive today ? | 20:03 |
| imbrandon | re: the drupal -> wordpress conversion | 20:03 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: got an email from him today | 20:03 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: maybe I can help you thouh | 20:04 |
| imbrandon | cool, i got to grab some food and such then i'll try to ping him in a bit, gonna try to write some of the plugins we need for things that wp dosent normaly handle | 20:04 |
| imbrandon | was gonna make sure we all was on the same page etc | 20:04 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: better talk about the plugins before you write them... | 20:04 |
| newz2000 | canonical's infrastructure is not always friendly to third party modules | 20:05 |
| imbrandon | ( like draft submistions for stories from readers etc ) | 20:05 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: ohh yea i'm quite familiar with that mess , LOL | 20:05 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: joey will probably coordinate the effort with our internal development team (aka ISD) who is in charge of this bit of infrastructure | 20:06 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: hey actualy i probably need to poke you too about the planet theme, is anyone working on giving it the same theme we're using accross the other sites ? | 20:07 |
| newz2000 | it'll trickle down there eventually but it's not on the critical path | 20:07 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: cool just wondering, woulda been a good weekend project for me ;) | 20:07 |
| newz2000 | imbrandon: are you on the web presense team mailing list? | 20:08 |
| imbrandon | yea | 20:08 |
| newz2000 | There will probably be some oppourtunities for community theme building | 20:08 |
| imbrandon | k | 20:08 |
| newz2000 | mark s formally gave the project a kick in the tail yesterday | 20:08 |
| imbrandon | :) | 20:09 |
| imbrandon | okies off for some food, seriously though, beer / bbq / ubuntu / kansas city, this summer | 20:12 |
| imbrandon | newz2000: ^^ | 20:12 |
| newz2000 | ;-) we'll see | 20:12 |
| * newz2000 puts visiting kc on his summer todo list | 20:12 | |
| * stas back | 21:02 | |
| stas | i think i missed some interesting discussions about wordpress and drupal, and the log hangs at 20:01 :) | 21:04 |
| * newz2000 got fed up and switched from empathy to pidgin so missed a lot | 21:04 | |
| stas | newz2000: use sushi instead as irc client its awesome and has libnotify integrated | 21:06 |
| newz2000 | I'd like to use one for both im and irc | 21:06 |
| stas | oh, ok than | 21:07 |
| === Turl1 is now known as Turl | ||
| Turl | newz2000: don't you think empathy needs a lot of polish? | 21:27 |
| Turl | I still couldn't get it to work with irc :/ | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | it worked for me with IRC but misses some features like hiding part messages | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | and the ability to /list | 21:28 |
| Turl | I added my irc accts but I couldn't join any chatrooms | 21:29 |
| newz2000 | but it's very pretty. I wish pidgin looked as nice | 21:29 |
| Turl | and also, MSNP was very crashy and didn't work at all | 21:29 |
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