[19:33] o/ [19:34] hi stas, are you around? [19:34] newz2000: hi [19:34] yep, still working on that app [19:34] I was just about to tell you something that wasn't true [19:34] shoot :) [19:35] dont lie! its not nice [19:35] Just to forewarn you, chances are quite high that we won't need plan b (the app you're doing) [19:35] :-P [19:35] I almost lied and said we won't need it, but instead I changed it to "almost certainly won't" [19:35] newz2000: ok so should i continue or drop it> [19:35] ? [19:36] I would say it's safe to put it on hold for now [19:36] stas: how much have you got done? [19:36] well, I almost got url generator done [19:37] had to find another solution for geoip location [19:37] stas oh? [19:37] and the best was to use http://code.google.com/p/python-geoip/ [19:37] it will serve both the country code and continent [19:37] oh, nice [19:37] great find! [19:38] that was the main issue, as i said yesterday [19:38] practicaly now I'm testing the post if it works ok [19:38] though didn't published anything yet, all is localy hosted [19:39] It may be that your solution could turn out better than "plan A" [19:39] But I don't want to waste your time, we will most likely have a working solution [19:40] ok so i'll leave it with a lower priority [19:40] ok. Thanks a bunch for your willingness to help, I do appreciate it greatly [19:40] and check it in case we really need a plan b [19:41] newz2000: no problem :) [19:41] btw, did you see the facebook app on planet? :P [19:41] no, I never get a chance to read planet. Was it a good sighting? [19:42] yep, the best so far :D [19:42] * newz2000 just read it [19:42] that's beautiful. You're famous! [19:42] stas: are you a developer by trade? [19:44] i'm a web developer, but not employed. I love hacking for ubuntu [19:45] together with adiroiban we are holding ubuntu.ro and all it has on web [19:45] stas: Now's your chance to launch your freelance develpment biz. :-) [19:45] Ride the free publicity [19:45] not really interested :P [19:45] that's cool [19:46] hi newz2000 [19:46] I've only used PHP for facebook apps but my personal server isn't reliable enough to host them [19:46] So I'm looking forward to trying out a fb app on app engine [19:46] hey Turl [19:46] what app engine project do you need help for? [19:46] my first app ws on php , but was dissapointed of its performane [19:47] python rocks :) [19:47] Turl: actually, it's on hold [19:47] stas: you didn't use xcache, did you? [19:47] stas: yes. It's remarkable how productive you can be [19:47] and app engine free hosting for small and medium apps also rocks. [19:49] Turl: nope, i didn't even used memcache [19:49] was not really needed [19:49] * Turl never used memcache [19:49] newz2000: yeah, appengine is good [19:49] stas: xcache makes your php code go about 8 times faster after the first page view [19:49] but the lack of a 'real' db makes things hard sometimes [19:50] +1 for appengine, but i would like to also try heroku [19:50] Yeah, it requires a change of thinking. [19:50] * newz2000 googles heroku [19:50] Turl: it's harder to get used to it, but after I didn't have issues [19:51] * newz2000 bashes his computer for continually forgetting alt+tab shortcut [19:51] hm, it's ruby [19:51] yep, thats the fun :D [19:51] I never used ruby [19:51] nor rails [19:52] stas: is it based on rails? [19:52] ruby standalone sax, but rails are a nice piece of code [19:52] newz2000: yeah it uses rails instead of python/django [19:52] yeah, rails is pretty sweat. I use django for work but have been playing with rails on my own time [19:52] actually, I never used many other langs [19:53] php for most things [19:53] Turl: you should give rails and django a try. You can do common stuff so quickly [19:53] and I used python to help getdeb's apt-portal [19:53] that's the problem newz2000 :P [19:54] I don't like using frameworks with cli stuff that generates more stuff automatically [19:54] because I don't know the stuff, hence I can't control it easily [19:54] You just have to learn it. Each has a tutorial that takes 20 min. [19:55] Django produces less stuff automatically, instead it has conventions and you only have to write code when you want to do something differently [19:55] I much more like things like CodeIgniter, which I can code the stuff I need on the "barebones" framework, or use premade modules by the community that I can read and modify [19:55] that's an interesting approach newz2000 [19:55] ci is cool. Django is only a little thicker of a layer than ci [19:55] * Turl should try django some day [19:56] php is fscked up because of the lack os conventions [19:57] and there's no good (really good) framework for php [19:57] there are many of them and each one has issues [19:57] learning php frameworks takes also more time that learning rails or django and thats sad [19:57] stas: same could be said for any framework for any lang, there are a few php frameworks i quite like [19:57] ci being one [19:57] Everything has issues [19:58] yeah, everything that is made by humans has errors [19:58] newz2000: you need to make it down here to KC this summer for a beer or three ;) [19:58] imagine if gnu/linux were perfect and bug-free :P [19:59] imbrandon: hey. I don't know why I'd want to, Iowa is perfect right now. :-) [19:59] imbrandon: ruby also has many, but usually when you say ruby its rails, because they did their best to make it that simple to use and powerfull [19:59] stas: for heroku do you have to do something special to a rails app to make it run or is it straight rails? [20:00] newz2000: no its straight rails [20:00] stas: sure, it really depends on what your doing though, when you only use a hammer everything looks like a nail ( use the right tool for the job without over engineriung it imho ) [20:00] that's a good way to explore rails w/ a basic app for no cost then [20:01] imbrandon: I also liked sinatra or limonade in php :) [20:01] imbrandon: well, one reason to visit kc would be to hang w/ some cool people I guess. [20:01] newz2000: :) [20:01] anyone here like symphony? [20:02] newz2000: how far was ya away ? i always forget, like 3.5ish right ? [20:02] 3 if the traffic is good [20:02] ahh [20:02] * stas guys, brb :P [20:02] cool, anyhow i actualy came from non-afk to try to catch joey [20:03] seen him alive today ? [20:03] re: the drupal -> wordpress conversion [20:03] imbrandon: got an email from him today [20:04] imbrandon: maybe I can help you thouh [20:04] cool, i got to grab some food and such then i'll try to ping him in a bit, gonna try to write some of the plugins we need for things that wp dosent normaly handle [20:04] was gonna make sure we all was on the same page etc [20:04] imbrandon: better talk about the plugins before you write them... [20:05] canonical's infrastructure is not always friendly to third party modules [20:05] ( like draft submistions for stories from readers etc ) [20:05] newz2000: ohh yea i'm quite familiar with that mess , LOL [20:06] imbrandon: joey will probably coordinate the effort with our internal development team (aka ISD) who is in charge of this bit of infrastructure [20:07] newz2000: hey actualy i probably need to poke you too about the planet theme, is anyone working on giving it the same theme we're using accross the other sites ? [20:07] it'll trickle down there eventually but it's not on the critical path [20:07] newz2000: cool just wondering, woulda been a good weekend project for me ;) [20:08] imbrandon: are you on the web presense team mailing list? [20:08] yea [20:08] There will probably be some oppourtunities for community theme building [20:08] k [20:08] mark s formally gave the project a kick in the tail yesterday [20:09] :) [20:12] okies off for some food, seriously though, beer / bbq / ubuntu / kansas city, this summer [20:12] newz2000: ^^ [20:12] ;-) we'll see [20:12] * newz2000 puts visiting kc on his summer todo list [21:02] * stas back [21:04] i think i missed some interesting discussions about wordpress and drupal, and the log hangs at 20:01 :) [21:04] * newz2000 got fed up and switched from empathy to pidgin so missed a lot [21:06] newz2000: use sushi instead as irc client its awesome and has libnotify integrated [21:06] I'd like to use one for both im and irc [21:07] oh, ok than === Turl1 is now known as Turl [21:27] newz2000: don't you think empathy needs a lot of polish? [21:28] I still couldn't get it to work with irc :/ [21:28] it worked for me with IRC but misses some features like hiding part messages [21:28] and the ability to /list [21:29] I added my irc accts but I couldn't join any chatrooms [21:29] but it's very pretty. I wish pidgin looked as nice [21:29] and also, MSNP was very crashy and didn't work at all